Open Forum: February 15, 2020

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  1. Arky

    Gotta go get my immunity boost sleep now.

    ..
    That’s just the shit they tell you when they have run out of masks, medicines and test kits.
    “Oh, the best thing you can do is get a good night’s sleep”.
    Yeah sure. Strange how we never heard that before the international supply chains broke down leaving us on the verge of a viral outbreak with nothing more potent on hand than a floppy old man’s [email protected]

  2. BorisG

    You don’t need to guess my heritage. Old cats would know that I grew up in the Soviet Union and then emigrated to Israel before coming to Australia in 2001. I used to post on life in USSR. So yes I am both a Russian and a proud Zionist.

    I am not looking for love here. I am very much concerned with the steady leftist shift in public life, restrictions on free speech etc. I wrote a submission on the 18C inquiry. But according to many here I am a leftist simply because I disagree with their conspiracy theories.

    As for the values I have always been an Anglophile, I was lucky enough to learn English in the primary school (few kids in Russia were so lucky) and have been interested in English history and culture.

    and I definitely don’t like Putin, and find conservatives fascination with him inexplicable.

    And I don’t really drink vodka. JC would know.

  3. old bloke

    Leigh Lowe
    #3325747, posted on February 16, 2020 at 11:23 pm

    The Romanovs were wimps.

    They haven’t done a lot lately, that much is true.

    I’ve always wondered about Anastasia. A Russian emigre in the USA claimed to be Anastasia, youngest daughter of Nicholas II, though her claim was never accepted. I think her claim had some credibility as she recounted a meeting during WWI when she claimed that Kaiser Wilhelm secretly journeyed to Moscow to meet his cousin, Nicholas II, during the height of hostilities between the Russian and German armies.

    Wilhelm rejected the idea that such a meeting ever took place, though later discoveries showed that the meeting took place, though it was highly secret.

    Anastasia travelled from Ekateringburg through southern Russia then on to the USA as a refugee. While in southern Russia, she claims to have had a child who didn’t accompany her on her journeys. So, it’s possible that the Romanovs live on somewhere in Russia, possibly the tyre fitter at the No. 34 Tractor Factory.

  4. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ‘Investigations Editor’

    Investigate this, you seditious milquetoast.

    More, from the same article.

    Shayma Assaad was taken to Syria by her family when she was 15. Now she is 19 and has four children, including baby Mariam. She spoke for all of them when she told me in the camp last October: “Really, our kids basically just want a normal life.”

    Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton argues it’s unsafe to bring these people out. But the Kurdish authority that controls the area is delighted to facilitate safe transfer. I, like many journalists and photographers and humanitarian workers, have travelled in and around the region. It’s often forgotten, but Australian public servants went to Syria last year and brought back a number of orphans, who we cannot identify for legal reasons, but who had become a source of public debate and therefore embarrassment to the government.

    Our system can handle these people – our courts deal with this number of new cases daily, and the women have offered to submit to control orders. We are a rich country and, unlike the country they are in, we have a functioning, well-resourced legal and justice system. Their supporters in Australia are preparing to accept them back, knitting together community bonds to try to reintegrate them, to de-traumatise their children and, if their mothers need to spend time in prison for crimes committed overseas, to care for them.

    Great, so we’ll send a task force of Australian public servants to rescue these demented females, and their revolting brats – said public servants to guarantee they will never be a threat to Australia, or a drain on the welfare system.

  5. Arky

    That’s just the shit they tell you when they have run out of masks, medicines and test kits.
    “Oh, the best thing you can do is get a good night’s sleep”.

    ..
    Also strange that the medical profession puts trainee doctors into hospitals full of diseases and makes them do extra long shifts, if they really believe there is a strong case for regular sleep improving immunity.

  6. mh

    and I definitely don’t like Putin, and find conservatives fascination with him inexplicable.

    Boris, I can’t really see that the Cat has had a fascination with Putin, if you are referring to ‘conservatives’ here. But you yourself have a fascination with him.

    Putin talks a lot of common sense on a lot of issues, however. That is refreshing. Political correctness is designed to weaken western nations, and Putin observing that and saying ‘not for Russia’ is a good thing. His two minute comment on the Trump impeachment was also spot on.

  7. Crossie

    It’s often forgotten, but Australian public servants went to Syria last year and brought back a number of orphans, who we cannot identify for legal reasons, but who had become a source of public debate and therefore embarrassment to the government.

    I call BS on this one. Why would we send public servant to extract anybody from Syria? Does this journalist know anything about the subject s/he is writing?

  8. Crossie

    BorisG
    #3325769, posted on February 16, 2020 at 11:58 pm
    You don’t need to guess my heritage. Old cats would know that I grew up in the Soviet Union and then emigrated to Israel before coming to Australia in 2001. I used to post on life in USSR. So yes I am both a Russian and a proud Zionist.

    I am not looking for love here. I am very much concerned with the steady leftist shift in public life, restrictions on free speech etc.

    I am concerned just as much as you with the leftist shift in public life. Even on Sky tonight I had to change channels when that vacuous idiot Sarah Le Marquand insisted that public sentiment has shifted in the climate change’s favour and we are out of favour. I thought I was watching their ABC.

    and I definitely don’t like Putin, and find conservatives fascination with him inexplicable.

    We are not fascinated by him, only concerned that these days Western Europeans seem to be more communist than he ever was. What’s more, even when he was completely communist he was still a Russian nationalist while the effete Europeans would never defend their own countries, they expect the despised Americans to do that only this time they have Trump to deal with who is not a friend to dilettantes.

  9. Knuckle Dragger

    Crossie;

    Probably not. From Daniel McCulloch, October last year:

    ‘One of Australia’s most respected Middle East security experts says it would be almost impossible to repatriate women and children trapped in Syria. Nick Kaldas, a former NSW Police deputy commissioner, said the situation in the war-torn nation was far too precarious to extract the Australian families of Islamic State fighters from the al-Hawl camp.’

    ‘Turkish, Kurdish, Syrian and Russian forces are all engaged in the conflict after the United States pulled its troops out earlier this month.

    “I have to agree with the government’s position of not risking Australian lives to bring them out,” Mr Kaldas said.

    ‘”Regrettably, that’s just the reality. If there’s a war going on somewhere, you don’t send public servants in to extract our people.’

  10. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Does this journalist know anything about the subject s/he is writing?’

    Crossie;

    Probably not. From Daniel McCulloch, October last year:

    ‘One of Australia’s most respected Middle East security experts says it would be almost impossible to repatriate women and children trapped in Syria. Nick Kaldas, a former NSW Police deputy commissioner, said the situation in the war-torn nation was far too precarious to extract the Australian families of IS fighters from the al-Hawl camp.’

    ‘Turkish, Kurdish, Syrian and Russian forces are all engaged in the conflict after the United States pulled its troops out earlier this month.

    “I have to agree with the government’s position of not risking Australian lives to bring them out,” Mr Kaldas said.

    ‘”Regrettably, that’s just the reality. If there’s a war going on somewhere, you don’t send public servants in to extract our people.’

  11. BorisG

    Putin talks a lot of common sense on a lot of issues, however. That is refreshing. Political correctness is designed to weaken western nations, and Putin observing that and saying ‘not for Russia’ is a good thing.

    Putin is a hypocrite. Talking about freedom of speech while jailing a group of friends for terrorist offenses because they criticized the oppressive government. https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/02/12/russia-harsh-verdicts-controversial-terrorism-cases . These cases are hardly noticed by western media.

  12. BorisG

    Turkish, Kurdish, Syrian and Russian forces are all engaged in the conflict after the United States pulled its troops out earlier this month.

    Americans are still there, and pushed Russians out recently from an oil rich district. It appears that Trumps announcement was mainly for domestic consumption.

  13. Crossie

    Having just come back from Europe I was shocked by the television programmes available in hotels compared to what was available even five years ago. In Scandinavia lots of British programs and even American ones. In Germany and Austria every kind of multi-culti European rubbish, even lots of Russian programming and nothing English speaking except for CNN. Eastern Europe little better. We and the Americans are not wanted there except for our dollars.

    So my feeling is when the proverbial hits the fan my sympathies will be with Scandinavians and maybe Eastern Europeans and everyone else in EU can go jump.

  14. Crossie

    “I have to agree with the government’s position of not risking Australian lives to bring them out,” Mr Kaldas said.

    As I said before, not our problem. Did these idiot ask us if they could go there? Well then they can stew in their own juices.

  15. Crossie

    It appears that Trumps announcement was mainly for domestic consumption.

    Pity we don’t have any of our politicians looking after our interests. What’s worse is that I’m not sure our politicians even know what are our national interests.

  16. DrBeauGan

    Putin is a hypocrite.

    Of course he is. He’s a politician. That isn’t the point.

    The issue is, does he say things that sane people consider reasonable? And he consistently does. That makes him different from European and Australian politicians who are desperately trying to suck up to loonies.

    So he tries to maintain himself in power, as do ours, but on the expectation that he’ll do it by saying sane things, which is very different from what we get, or the American democrats do.

    And if he has to lock up the Russian equivalent of greens or democrats, I can live with that.

  17. Knuckle Dragger

    DBG:

    Perfect.

    Plus Russian hot chicks.

  18. BorisG

    And if he has to lock up the Russian equivalent of greens or democrats, I can live with that.

    So you love tyranny and torture, Good to know. That is exactly my point.

  19. DrBeauGan

    Plus Russian hot chicks.

    😃

  20. BorisG

    And if he has to lock up the Russian equivalent of greens or democrats, I can live with that.

    So you support tyranny and torture? Good to know. That is my point exactly.

    Don’t tell us ever again that you support freedom etc.

  21. BorisG

    Sorry for double posting. It was jammed for a minute.

  22. DrBeauGan

    So you love tyranny and torture, Good to know. That is exactly my point.

    No, I don’t like tyranny, nor torture. Although what I’d like to do to our entire green party would certainly be considered torture by them. And tyranny is also a wide concept; some would think that the ATO and generally the rule of unelected bureaucrats both here and in Europe qualify.

    I think you use words the way lefties do. As emotional levers rather than with precise meanings. It gives me doubts about your integrity.

  23. DrBeauGan

    Don’t tell us ever again that you support freedom etc.

    I support the freedom of adult people to do whatever they want so long as it does not damage the property or freedom of others. Which means I would lock up xr idiots and many other lefties with no hesitation. The useless idiots responsible for the vast damage done by the recent fires should pay the price. The local councils which have prevented people using their own property fully. They would undoubtedly think me a tyrant were I in charge of Oz. Because I’d put a stop to their irresponsible meddling.

  24. BorisG

    DBG, jailing people for their political beliefs is wrong. Torturing political prisoners is wrong. I think a systematic policy like this amounts to tyranny but I do not insist on the term. If you support such policies (as you said above) that is a disgrace. If you think the Greens should be jailed, it is a disgrace. It basically shows you support freedom of speech as long as that speech agrees with you. If not they can be jailed.

    I support freedom of speech period. Even for people who I strongly disagree with.

  25. Crossie

    So you love tyranny and torture, Good to know. That is exactly my point.

    The only difference I find between Putin and European politicians is that he looks after his country’s interests as he sees them while the Euros would not demeans themselves so.

  26. BorisG

    The only difference I find between Putin and European politicians is that he looks after his country’s interests as he sees them while the Euros would not demeans themselves so.

    Europeans jail people for their political views? staunch opponents of the current order such as FN in France, AFD in Germany and League in Europe take part in elections and have a significant representation in parliament. In Russia the real opposition does not have a single seat in the Duma. They are disqualified on fake pretexts before the elections. Many are jailed and some are murdered.

    By all means criticise Europeans but there is no comparison with Russia.

  27. BorisG

    League in Italy, sorry. It is late.

  28. DrBeauGan

    DBG, jailing people for their political beliefs is wrong. Torturing political prisoners is wrong. I think a systematic policy like this amounts to tyranny but I do not insist on the term. If you support such policies (as you said above) that is a disgrace. If you think the Greens should be jailed, it is a disgrace. It basically shows you support freedom of speech as long as that speech agrees with you. If not they can be jailed.

    I support freedom of speech period. Even for people who I strongly disagree with.

    Boris, you sound about fourteen. I don’t want to lock up Green loons because I disagree with what they say or think but because they have killed people by preventing burn offs. And they have stolen property by removing the owner’s rights to use it as they choose. The parliamentary parties can advocate any idiocy they please. But when they encourage the infiltration of councils by lunatics who kill and thieve, I want them locked up for aiding and abetting criminals.

  29. feelthebern

    The Romanovs were wimps.

    Good backline.
    Sometimes they’re found wanting in defence, which is full of holes.

  30. BorisG

    But when they encourage the infiltration of councils by lunatics who kill and thieve, I want them locked up for aiding and abetting criminals.

    I think they should be defeated at the ballot box, not jailed. Maybe they can also be sued.

    The story is far more complex than you make it to be. But I am the last person to advocate for the Greens. But they need to defeated in the battle of ideas.

    some people use the words lock up and jail out of frustration, knowing full well it won’t happen. But Putin
    actually destroys young lives without the slightest hesitation.

    You don’t care? I can understand this. Russia is far away and in any case it had so many autocrats in power, Putin is an ultimate democrat by that standard. Yet conservatives fascination with Putin’s nationalism is weird. It is firmly directed towards the west, primarily the US and the Brits. Why do you like someone who wants to destroy the west and has the means to do it? I do not get it.

  31. BorisG

    Amazing too – only one case in Indonesia, and none in PNG.

    That is a big worry.

  32. BorisG

    the communists have buckley’s chance of halting the spread in months if not in years. it only takes a single carrier to restart the entire epidemic.

    Some projections suggest that this virus will never be fully defeated but will be one of the bugs like influenza that will flare up from time to time. Hopefully a vaccine will be invented soon. Then it will all depend on the ability of this virus to mutate, which is not known yet.

  33. Fisky

    While liberalism must undoubtedly be dismantled, Leftism never disappoints in its stupidity. Just get a load of this Getup! nonsense:

    Right now, much loved family businesses and restaurants across the country are going under.

    Hysteria about coronavirus has meant many Chinese and Asian small businesses across the country are losing huge numbers of customers.1

    It is extremely unwise to accuse people of hysteria when we are likely on the cusp of a global pandemic. There is no upside to making this accusation, but the downside is enormous.

    Our doctors keep telling us that there is no risk of coronavirus transmission in Australia.2 But, as fear and misinformation dominates tabloids and social media, sensible messages from doctors just aren’t being heard.3

    There you have it. According to “doctors” (which ones??) there is NO RISK of coronavirus transmission at all! Another very stupid statement.

    But YOU have the power to stop fear costing people their jobs, with the simple act of choosing what to have for dinner.

    Will you take the pledge to eat with an Asian-owned restaurant this month and take a stand against fear?

    Has this fucking idiot ever set foot in a Chinatown before? Because, you know, the people who tend to go to Chinatown in order to eat Chinese/Asian food are…about 95% Chinese. So these are the people you need to be addressing your stupid campaign to, not white people as you are implying.

    But that wouldn’t sound too good, would it. “Hey you dumb Chinese idiots, get your asses back to Chinatown for some chow!”

    Leftism automatically subtracts 30 IQ points in my estimation.

  34. Fisky

    Oh the last line in that Getup! campaign is just brilliant.

    Let’s stick together, eat together and defeat fear and discrimination with solidarity,

    Pahahahahahahahahahaha! Yes that’s right, the overwhelmingly Chinese customers who are running a million miles from Chinatown are discriminating against Chinese people.

  35. BorisG

    Pahahahahahahahahahaha! Yes that’s right, the overwhelmingly Chinese customers who are running a million miles from Chinatown are discriminating against Chinese people.

    That was exactly my thought when I watched a relevant segment on SBS. At least SBS just showed the losses suffering by businesses without explicitly blaming anyone.

  36. Tom

    Air Force One just landed at Daytona airport in northern Florida. As Grand Marshall for the nearby Daytona 500, President Trump will officially start the race, but, before that the President will reportedly do a 100mph+ run around the track in the official Beast limo. So far, not even the Washington Post has been able to spin the presidential visit as a negative. The 200,000 Nascar fans at the track are also Trump fans.

  37. bespoke

    But can either of you bake a perfect sponge cake?

    Better, All I have to say “I would like some sponge cake, steak etc please” and it appears. It’s like I’m magic or something.

  38. Porter

    Johannes. Sharp. Morten does the best Boris. Thanks, Tom.

  39. Porter

    So the useless tit who virtue signalled $52 mill but was too busy self preening to read the fine print on gofund
    me and the NSW fireys is still insisting others should break the law so she can be queen dick. In the meantime people in need of support have either already gone under or have moved on. Best if the darling hands it all to NSW fireys. With that that can set up an excellent endowment fund.

  40. Cassie of Sydney

    “I’ve always wondered about Anastasia. A Russian emigre in the USA claimed to be Anastasia, youngest daughter of Nicholas II, though her claim was never accepted. I think her claim had some credibility as she recounted a meeting during WWI when she claimed that Kaiser Wilhelm secretly journeyed to Moscow to meet his cousin, Nicholas II, during the height of hostilities between the Russian and German armies.

    Sorry Old Bloke but DNA science testing on bones absolutely ruled out Anna Anderson as “Anastasia”……something that most people knew anyway….from the time that the imposter appeared in Berlin back in the early 1920’s. And it was Prince Phillip’s blood that helped in the DNA testing twenty years ago….Phillip’s mother’s mother’s sister was Alexandra, wife of Nicholas II. Most of the surviving Romanovs and Phillip’s family always knew that Anna Anderson’s claims were a crock of shit.

    Secondly it was never claimed….by Anna Anderson or anyone else….that it was Kaiser Wilhelm who secretly journeyed to Petrograd to meet his cousin Nicholas II….the claim was that it was the brother of Alexandra….Prince Ernst of Hesse Darmstadt….who secretly journeyed to Petrograd at the height of hostilities between the Russian and German armies in World War I.

    Anna Anderson was a Polish peasant used by various White Russian emigres to try and get hold of the supposed Romanov billions in the Bank of England (later proven to be non-existent). Anna Anderson had been injured in a munitions explosion and had lost her marbles…..she was perfect fodder for unscrupulous people. Being of unsound mind and like of lot of fakes and pretenders….she ended believing the nonsense herself. But it was all a lie.

    The Bolsheviks, in that basement, were utterly ruthless in murdering the whole family and the four loyal servants who stayed with them until the end. Nicholas II was a weak man and a weak ruler but murdering his family….that’s communism for you.

  41. Cassie of Sydney

    “Porter
    #3325839, posted on February 17, 2020 at 6:26 am
    So the useless tit who virtue signalled $52 mill but was too busy self preening to read the fine print on gofund
    me and the NSW fireys is still insisting others should break the law so she can be queen dick.”

    Well said Porter….a perfect description of the vacuous bint and her folly….and more fool people who gave to the fund. It was all about her anyway…….attention seeking and exhibitionism.

  42. Crossie

    Porter
    #3325839, posted on February 17, 2020 at 6:26 am
    So the useless tit who virtue signalled $52 mill but was too busy self preening to read the fine print on gofund
    me and the NSW fireys is still insisting others should break the law so she can be queen dick. In the meantime people in need of support have either already gone under or have moved on. Best if the darling hands it all to NSW fireys. With that that can set up an excellent endowment fund.

    What does she want to do with the money now? Does she want people to be employed to administer it until the administration cost have eaten it all up? After all that the Red Cross model.

  43. feelthebern

    It’s fascinating to watch the redistribution of wealth that all these fire appeals are.
    Zero scepticism.
    Zero due diligence.
    & in about 2 years there will be some “exclusive” report on how little actually went to where it was intended.

  44. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #3325848, posted on February 17, 2020 at 6:52 am
    It’s fascinating to watch the redistribution of wealth that all these fire appeals are.
    Zero scepticism.
    Zero due diligence.
    & in about 2 years there will be some “exclusive” report on how little actually went to where it was intended.”

    Yep….and what is funny is that the same people screaming about the Red Cross probably gave money to this vacuous female that nobody had heard of…meanwhile the money is just sitting there.

    I am laughing.

  45. Eyrie

    “I have a long history of crossing these out and writing father and mother”
    Mrs Eyrie crosses out “partner” and puts “wife”. Likewise I put “husband”. Also correct verbally.

  46. calli

    The money collected will go to the RFS.

    During the height of the fires, there was a lot of on-line argy bargy about the RFS being underfunded, undermanned and under equipped. I know, because my family was on the receiving end of some of the bullsh*t.

    Now the keyboard warriors are getting their wish – $52mil to remedy what they believed to be the problem.

    Why are they complaining now?

  47. Entropy

    The Bolsheviks, in that basement, were utterly ruthless in murdering the whole family and the four loyal servants who stayed with them until the end. Nicholas II was a weak man and a weak ruler but murdering his family….that’s communism for you.

    But, but, not true communism. It will work better next time.

  48. Entropy

    But YOU have the power to stop fear costing people their jobs, with the simple act of choosing what to have for dinner.

    Will you take the pledge to eat with an Asian-owned restaurant this month and take a stand against fear?

    Asian? Asian restaurants? getup mean Chinese restaurants don’t they? Reminds me early on when an Assistant Commissioner was lecturing us on the risk of violent racism as the virus spreads. He carried on about potential attacks on those that”speak Asian”.

    Irony is not a big thing in the force.

  49. Entropy

    I think the issue Calli, is that the money was pledged to go into a particular fund, eg a training one, and thus can’t be used for equipment or on the ground activity. It was not set up to be flexible?

  50. Knuckle Dragger

    Another exhibit from Rowe.

    It’s been said before. Less of a cartoon, and more of a cry for help.

  51. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘All I have to say “I would like some sponge cake, steak etc please” and it appears. It’s like I’m magic or something.’

    Is your missus’ name Gwendolyn perchance?

  52. Knuckle Dragger

    Some discussion overnight that included views on imprisonment:

    ‘Jailing people for their political beliefs is wrong. Torturing political prisoners is wrong.’

    Aside from the very simplistic nature of this stuff – I will speculate that Amnesty International’s definition of torture and my definition of torture are quite some distance apart.

    I wonder if BorisG Wong-Keating would have jailed Stalin, if given the chance?

  53. calli

    If it was a training fund, then recruitment may fall under that heading.

    It which case, plenty of money to make volunteering in the RFS desirable for young males especially. They desperately need young men – one brigade up Bilpin way has only 10 active members. Think about that. Hundreds of square kilometres of bushland and 10 blokes to manage it.

    To make it even more tragic, a few of them lost their own homes when defending the homes of others. These guys are heroes.

  54. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘President Trump will officially start the race, but, before that the President will reportedly do a 100mph+ run around the track in the official Beast limo.’

    Put simply, this is brilliant. Supernova, Tsar Bomba brilliant. So brilliant it will blind you from light years away. 45’s somehow still trading on – and making fortunes with – the ‘deplorables’ line from four years ago.

    Not one of the previous 44 would have ever dreamed of doing this. Not one.

    It’s a small part, but a part nonetheless of the reason he so confuses those who would bring him down. He’s like a boxer whose transfer of weight is impeccable, yet keeps his opponents’ centre of gravity off the perpendicular.

  55. calli

    Can anyone tell me who the characters are in the Rowe toon. I only got ScoMo and Barnabub.

    Soon he’ll be reduced to labelling them, at which time he’ll have ceased to be an effective cartoonist.

  56. notafan

    It’s not the thoughts KD, it is the deeds that would put the likes of Stalin in prison.

  57. Perfidious Albino

    Where were GetUp when Calombaris was going under…

  58. Eyrie

    I don’t bother to click on the Rowe link anymore.

  59. Knuckle Dragger

    Stalin was a bank robber before he started crawling over corpses, nota.

    By the standards of the time he should have been shot where he stood.

  60. calli

    If the ABC has got it right then,

    The page clearly states the RFS Trust was the intended recipient of the funds.

    Pretty clearcut. Looks like the ball’s in their court.

  61. feelthebern

    Why are they complaining now?

    Not enough people clipping the ticket on the $52mill on the way through, no doubt.

  62. Boris, you sound about fourteen. I don’t want to lock up Green loons because I disagree with what they say or think but because they have killed people by preventing burn offs. And they have stolen property by removing the owner’s rights to use it as they choose. The parliamentary parties can advocate any idiocy they please. But when they encourage the infiltration of councils by lunatics who kill and thieve, I want them locked up for aiding and abetting criminals.

    Perhaps you need to step back for a bit and examine the reality, and abandon the judgemental narrative you have created.
    Nobody has been killed by preventing burnoffs.
    That is a red herring created by the Right wing of the National Party, because they’re petrified by the coal lobby.
    No Green holds power in any jurisdiction, (local government or state government) where fires have killed people.
    Nobody has “stolen” property.
    The by-laws are not the product of Green legislation.
    Most were created by centrist local government reacting to the political preferences of the people they elect to the wards.
    The lunatics who “kill and thieve” are largely those from the Right of the political spectrum.
    I’ll cite you two very clear examples, one goes back 50 years – the other is more recent.
    In the 60s and 70s, a Coalition government killed 500 Australians by sending them to fight a war in peacetime on foreign soil, which was irrelevant to most Australians, and by the time the whole shameful episode was through, condemned by them.
    More recently, a Coalition government stole millions of dollars of taxpayers money from local sporting bodies through political corruption.
    They then sought to cover it up by instituting a whitewash, which is not available to public view.
    And you talk about “killing” and “theiving”.
    The Coalition wrote the book on those subjects…..

  63. Top Ender

    Only in the Territory Department:

    Lambley says review drove up youth crime

    NATASHA EMECK

    THE Royal Commission into youth justice did a huge disservice to the Northern Territory by effectively causing an explosion of youth crime, says a senior member of the NT Legislative Assembly.

    Speaking about what she called a “relentless (youth) crime wave”, Member for Araluen Robyn Lambley – a former NT deputy chief minister

    – said she believed the Royal Commission into the Protection and Detention of Children in the NT had led to massive “unintended consequences” with youth crime.

    But one of the two cocommissioners who presided over the royal commission, Mick Gooda, rubbished Ms Lambley’s claims, saying: “… she’s not even worth the time.”

    The royal commission sat in 2016 and 2017 and was presided over by joint co-commissioners, Mr Gooda and Margaret White.

    “Those two (royal) commissioners … did a huge disservice to the Northern Territory (in terms of effectively causing a youth crime wave on our streets),” Ms Lambley said.

    “On one hand we applaud the notion of kids having a better opportunity to turn their life around and rehabilitate but on the flip side this royal commission has added to the state of lawlessness we now have in Alice Springs and many other towns across the NT.”

    But former commissioner Mr Gooda was quick to brush off her criticisms. “We’ve done our job and she’s not even worth the time,” he said. “I don’t want to say anything else because it’ll cause trouble.” The Member for Araluen said she stood by her comments. “The general feel in Alice Springs is that there are no real consequences for their kids’ behaviour anymore,” Ms Lambley said.

    “They commit crimes, go before the court and are let out on bail almost immediately nine times out of 10.

    “The bail conditions are not exactly changing the behaviour of these kids, so we’re just on this roundabout where kids continue to commit crimes and get let out and their parents aren’t held responsible either.”

    Earlier last week Ms Lambley heatedly berated Chief Minister Michael Gunner in parliament for the government’s “failing” response to the Territory’s youth crime issue.

    “Kids are terrorising and destroying our town, every day and every night – this is no exaggeration,” she said.

    “Chief Minister, your law and order strategy is not working in Alice Springs. It’s failing miserably.

    “What are you going to do to stop this unrelenting, escalating assault on our town?”

    Following the Country Liberal Party’s victory in the 2012 Territory election, the CLP voted Ms Lambley the party’s deputy leader to then chief minister, Terry Mills.

    NT News print edition

  64. notafan

    I had Thai last week.

    In a restaurant full of pictures of the Thai royal family.

    That’s Asian.

    Which proves I’m not associating all Chinese as coronavirus carriers, or something

    Especially not my Chinese relly.

    What they are really saying is you white Aussies, you should each at those Chinese restaurantts because the Chinese won’t.

    Most Chinese restaurants in Box Hill and Glen Waverley etc cater predominant to the ethnic Chinese community, which are the biggest eating out demographic of all.

    Also if my local maccas is owned by Chinese does that count?

  65. Mater

    I wonder if BorisG Wong-Keating would have jailed Stalin, if given the chance?

    I think this quote from The Gulag Archipelago to be relevant:

    The Tsarist government did not dare to try compelling the exiles to increase the national product. And professional revolutionaries considered it beneath them to work…. Apart from this, the Tsarist government paid its exciled political enemy 12 rubles a month subsistence money, and 22 rubles a year clothing money. Lepeshinsky writes that Lenin, too, received (and did not refuse) the 12 rubles a month, while Lepeshinsky himself got 16 rubles, because he was not just an exile but an exiled civil servant…It enabled Lenin, for instance, to spend three whole years comfortably studying the theory of revolution, not worrying at all about the source of his livelihood.

    And history repeats.

  66. notafan

    KD

    Exactly

    Put him in prison for what he did, not what he thought.

  67. calli

    Local government has been infiltrated and staffed by green sympathisers since the early 80’s. I know, because I’ve had to deal with them on a daily basis for years. I watched simple building applications go from a set of plans to a mountain of paperwork covering everything from “environmental impacts”, to “waste disposal” and detailed landscape plans which had to include towering tree species on tiny urban blocks.

    This is for simple things like extensions and carports and swimming pools up to an entire house. One size fits all.

    Just because these people are not running for elected office doesn’t mean they aren’t there. And they wield real power and they exercise it ruthlessly.

  68. notafan

    And if councils or governments are found to be criminally negligible over fire management then let there be consequences.

    Not silly handwaving about locking up greens for being stupid brainwashing morons.

    That is their right.

  69. Knuckle Dragger

    Fatty Fucking Ashton (the Hun):

    ‘Top cop Graham Ashton has taken the extraordinary step of writing to principals to ­advocate against a veteran police in schools program.
    Some school leaders have ignored the chief commissioner’s letter, vowing to still run the volunteer program by former long-serving officers, who will teach children about rules, laws and the role of police in society.

    ‘Mr Ashton wrote to say the plan was “not affiliated with Victoria Police and we do not support it”. “We are concerned about the risk that schools could receive mixed messages on contemporary safety issues, particularly as they relate to emergency management,” Mr Ashton wrote to principals.’

    Who exactly are ‘we’, you bumbling would-be consultant?

    ‘A principal in Melbourne’s eastern suburbs said the school would determine the best programs for its students. “I was very surprised,” the principal said. “It was almost defensive. We will always do what’s best for the kids.”

    ‘Australian Principals Federation national president Julie Podbury said police in schools programs were a benefit for children. “Anywhere where we have police in schools is a plus … and it’s a damn good investment, whether they’re retired or serving,” she said.’

    And just to stomp on the remains of any lingering doubt:

    ‘Former Chief Commissioner Kel Glare, whose Community Advocacy Alliance runs the retired officers program, called Mr Ashton’s letter “an act of bastardry”.

    ‘He said veteran officers were seeking to reduce youth crime rates by increasing engagement with young people.’

    Kel Glare was one of the last of the braid who could truly call himself a policeman. He took over from a man among men, Mick Miller in 1987. If Ashton tried to kiss either man’s arse he’d have his head smacked in for him for besmirching said buttocks.

  70. calli

    One of the more amusing aspects of local government overreach is the appointment of certifiers.

    It became so ponderous and time-consuming to get applications through councils that some building works became “Complying Development” and could bypass councils altogether. The State government took control via legislation, and oh, the worried clucking at local level.

    Most builders try to go “Complying” now to avoid the sods, but sometimes you just have to put in a DA. And grit your teeth and clench your buttocks and put the job start on hold for at least six months while you sort out the mountain of paperwork and wait for that first, miserable quibble over minutae.

  71. Perfidious Albino

    Trump is a magnificent bastard – presidential motorcade leading the cars out for the Daytona 500… Air Force One landed literally right beside the track. Fantastic imagery…

  72. Johno

    Bush Fires are caused by conscription. You heard it here first.

  73. cohenite

    I support freedom of speech period. Even for people who I strongly disagree with.

    Whether you disagree with them or not is not the point; the point is they will stop you continuing to have your freedoms because they disagree with you. This is the point of the left: they don’t reciprocate gestures and concessions to do with freedom. Never.

    The maxim is (and conservatism has not learnt this): do not tolerate the intolerant.

    The lofty disdain types are fools.

  74. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘But former commissioner Mr Gooda was quick to brush off her criticisms. “We’ve done our job and she’s not even worth the time,” he said. “I don’t want to say anything else because it’ll cause trouble.” ‘

    Hang on there, cousin-brother Mick. You’re a Royal Commissioner. It’s your job to say things that will cause ‘trouble’. And you were given that job on merit, right? Right?

    I mean, you weren’t just the token blackfella appointed to the RC bench for appeasement purposes. Weren’t you? And it’s not as though you sat there and kept your trap shut though the entire expensive exercise, was it?

    Oh.

    And those carefully considered opinions read out at the end, and then published and acted on – with the resultant and not at all unintended consequences – were at least half yours, right? Right?

    And you wouldn’t want to cock everything up now and say something unscripted and unvetted, would you?

  75. notafan

    Nettleton went and collected her grandchildren and great grandchildren.

    Why can’t these people’s own relatives extract them?

    Most are Lebanese which has a fluid border with Syria.

  76. Cassie of Sydney

    “notafan
    #3325905, posted on February 17, 2020 at 8:28 am
    Nettleton went and collected her grandchildren and great grandchildren.

    Why can’t these people’s own relatives extract them?

    Most are Lebanese which has a fluid border with Syria.”

    Yep…and they speak the language too.

  77. It became so ponderous and time-consuming to get applications through councils that some building works became “Complying Development” and could bypass councils altogether. The State government took control via legislation, and oh, the worried clucking at local level.

    Name the council, provide the date, and chapter and verse on the legislation.
    If you can’t, you’re posting opinionated bullshit.
    The legislation that is really needed is that which prohibits developers, real estate functionaries and spivs that make money out of subdividing property from being allowed to hold office in local government.
    Conflict between jurisdictional control of local development has been going on for decades, as has rampant corruption.
    The corruption is a much more dangerous problem than the “Greens”, whoever they are.
    The more established parties are up to their eyes in it.

  78. Bush Fires are caused by conscription. You heard it here first.

    Tell me, Johno – were the firies volunteer conscripts, or conscripted volunteers?
    Apparently there’s a difference……

  79. calli

    Why would I do that, Numbers?

    So that I dox myself?

    Not playing.

  80. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Bush Fires are caused by conscription. You heard it here first.’

    It’s like watching a fireworks display. Crackling, sparkly very public displays of stupidity. ‘Oooooh, aaaaaahhhh’ goes the crowd. And so on, building up in size and intensity until nobody could contemplate that the scale and substance of the stooopid could possibly be matched.

    Then: BANG. BANGBANGBANGBANG KABLAMMO. Sparkle sparkle.

    All assembled: “Hooray!’

  81. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘If you can’t, you’re posting opinionated bullshit.’

    Haha. As opposed to:

    ‘I was’
    ‘I went’
    ‘I was posted to’
    ‘I taught’
    ‘I travelled’
    ‘I saved the noggie kids’
    ‘I have three reliable individuals who will appear here and avenge my death’

    ‘The legislation that is really needed is that which prohibits developers, real estate functionaries and spivs that make money out of subdividing property from being allowed to hold office in local government.’

    Thank God we have Plenary Councils to act as our St. George against Dragon Gummint.

    Duhhhhhhhh.

  82. Twostix

    Calli, Numbers is an ex-public school teacher from bumfuck QLD.

    Naturally he knows everything about working at the coal face of NSW planning and development guidelines, policies and planning and regional councils.

  83. calli

    It’s just a game, ‘stix., and a silly one at that.

    What to do? Cite DA numbers so that the applicant can be traced back? Have a posse of goons show up on site?

    Been there, got the tee-shirt. And the New Broom doesn’t deserve the aggro – he’s busy being productive and employing people and paying his taxes like a good little capitalist.

  84. Why would I do that, Numbers?

    So that I dox myself?

    Not playing.

    The well-known Catallaxy wimp-out.
    Translated – I post bullshit in the full knowledge that my alleged insider knowledge is also bullshit.
    If readers knew who I was, that fact would become immediately obvious.

    “Doxing”, by the way, is also bullshit.
    I was “doxed” about ten years ago, and continue to be here, and on other sites.
    All it means is the occasional psychopath makes a phoned death threat.

  85. mh

    From what I can get on this paywalled story at the Oz

    Downing Street has turned on the BBC — vowing to scrap the television licence fee and make viewers pay a subscription. The national broadcaster could also be compelled to downsize and sell off most of its radio stations.

    In a plan that would change the face of British broadcasting, senior aides to Prime Minister Boris Johnson insisted on Sunday AEDT that they were “not bluffing” about changing the BBC’s funding model and “pruning” its reach into people’s homes...

  86. feelthebern

    Looks like Jane Hume & Tim Wilson will be asking industry super some very embarrassing questions the next time they front the PJC.

  87. 8th Dan

    This is for simple things like extensions and carports and swimming pools up to an entire house. One size fits all.

    Hyperbowl.

  88. Knuckle Dragger

    Sportsbet Market Update

    Event: Whose Turn It Is To Be High Up On The Cross
    Distance: 50 years. Apprentices can claim.

    Liability Bob: $1.01
    Everyone Else: $500

    Wait, wait. There’s been a protest:

    ‘I was “doxed” about ten years ago, and continue to be here, and on other sites.’

    Protest dismissed. Correct weight.

  89. Farmer Gez

    Green legislation or by-laws don’t belong to the Greens but are heavily influenced by enviro activists who inhabit the departments responsible for land management.
    Local government is bound by the legislation but chooses to enforce or ignore the provisions that make fire prevention work nigh on impossible.

    Our local roadsides are wildlife corridors according to the legislation but are in fact overgrown weedy fire hazards. The council sprays the road verge to keep the couch grass from lifting the tar but ignores the six foot tall grass and saplings running to the farmer’s fence.

    Farmers are prosecuted for clearing tree limbs that overhang fences against Crown Land. Public reserves in the bush (all under some indigenous rights clause) are jungles of dead material that supercharge any fire that gets near them.

    I could get a control enforcement notice from a council for letting a weed grow in my paddock whilst the public roadside is infested with the same weed and the source of the problem.

    I pity the landholders in areas where enviro councillors are in the ascendancy as their options for fire protection could be reduced to little more than mowing the inside of their fence line. Fires jump little breaks like this with ease. A wide bare earth break is the only defensible fire barrier. I know this, I’ve been there.

  90. Geriatric Mayfly

    There will be extra jeroboams of water delivered to the ABC cooler this morning. Maybe even a fainting couch or two placed nearby. There are muted murmers: There but for the grace of Morrison, go we.

    Downing Street has turned on the BBC — vowing to scrap the television licence fee and make viewers pay a subscription. The national broadcaster could also be compelled to downsize and sell off most of its radio stations.

  91. Knuckle Dragger

    Bang on Gez. Again.

    As the man once said, ‘Follow the money’.

    Why do people think councils are falling over themselves to declare ‘climate emergencies’?

    Because there’s a free dollar in it, that’s why. The resultant inability of people to do stuff with things they’ve bought and paid for is collateral damage.

  92. calli

    Keep capering. It’s most entertaining.

  93. max

    Conclusion to Trump’s speech at Daytona:

    “We give thanks to the heroes who keep us safe And. For. The. God. Who. Made. Us Free.” (points towards the heavens).

    Daytona a wonderful example of “American glory”.

    I hope he campaigns like this. Bringing God into his speeches just reminds everyone how insanely depraved the left is and will goad them into further purple-faced apoplexy.

  94. mh

    If only

    The Morrison government has turned on the ABC — vowing to scrap the 1.2 Billion dollars of funding per year and make viewers pay a subscription. The national broadcaster could also be compelled to downsize and sell off most of its radio stations.

  95. calli

    For those who have time, here’s a sample of the requirements of just one Sydney council.

    The links take you to the Guide which sets out what needs to be provided.

    They’ve gone paperless, which means punters now have to engage a professional draftsman to do the plans in CAD.

    Most builders try to absorb the costs of doing this to remain competitive.

  96. Knuckle Dragger

    Unapologetically, the award for Cans of the Day goes to:

    Laura the Decolletage Explorer, Sky News.

    Wardrobe: Much better effort and match awareness. B+.

  97. Arky

    All it means is the occasional psychopath makes a phoned death threat.

    ..
    Bullshit.
    Date, time, police report or it never happened.

  98. Arky

    For those who have time, here’s a sample of the requirements of just one Sydney council.

    ..
    You don’t have to convince me Calli.
    The NIMBY wankers like numberwang and the council they voted in made it impossible for me to build.
    Absolute arseholes.

  99. Arky

    The legislation that is really needed is that which prohibits developers,

    ..
    You are a dirty, collectivist shit.
    No wonder you wanted the communist North to win.

  100. MatrixTransform

    defeated at the ballot is not equal to avoiding systemic takeover.

    defeated at the ballot could just as easily men a majority in both houses by either party.
    Could mean a strangle hold of either house by the Watermelon Party

    the real ideological threat is in Gramcsi et al in daily practise driving acceptance further left to the point where the idiot masses enable the retards to begin re-writing the law.

    Rule-of-law is a joke.
    I’m sorry we have decided that private property is no longer an option.
    We’ve decided that only the gender-disphoric can do bureaucratic or teaching properly
    we have decided that enginerding and scientifical-ness is must adhere to the tenets of Climate Pravda
    Since police aren’t there for property, we have decided to use them to check proper-think

    You think what various states did during and up to WW! and WW2 was illegal?
    Ha! All was legal at the stroke of a pen.
    And then illegal again afterwards.
    just.like.that.

    Anyway Boris, thanks for being more verbose and coherent but please, sorting people who post into silos on a whim does make you sound pretty much like the Numptard, or the ABC, or Adam Bandt, or Stalin.

    Also, watching you pile up your bona fides, language proficiency, global reach, and impeccable group affiliations whilst white-anting this space doesn’t fill me with trust.

    Nothing is won at the ballot box without first winning acceptance in spaces like this forum.

    How you ‘sound’ is probably more import that what you say.

    Just Sayin’

  101. Entropy

    Downing Street has turned on the BBC — vowing to scrap the television licence fee and make viewers pay a subscription. The national broadcaster could also be compelled to downsize and sell off most of its radio stations.

    make viewers pay a subscription?

  102. C.L.

    Senator Tom Cotton hints – no, claims – China engineered coronavirus.

    Senator Tom Cotton: So Maria, here is what we do know. This virus did not originate in the Wuhan animal market. Epidemiologists who are widely respected from China published a study in the international journal Lancet have demonstrated that several of the original cases did NOT have any contact with that food market. The virus went into that food market before it came out of that food market. So we don’t know where it originated… We also know that only a few miles away from that market is China’s only bio-safety Level Four Super Laboratory that researches human infectious diseases.

  103. Re: councils

    Adjacent neighbour, replaced and extended foundations, flooring, ceilings, electrics, plumbing, interior and exterior, walls, roofing windows, doors etc. AND then added a rear verandah.

    All of this managed to escape the councils requirements for a new building.

  104. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Corona Virus: fading off the MSM agenda but still requires watchful waiting.

    Arky, the sleep recommendation to improve immunity is one derived from a Western respiratory physician who also has a sideline interest in sleep disturbance, i.e. he is thus not citing WHO or any other mainstream recommendation. I think he is worth listening to because he cites two well-controlled studies in clinical epidemiology (a different thing from population epidemiology) that show an improvement in antibody production is those who are not sleep deprived when given a laboratory assault with a common cold Corona virus. He does offer some population practices that might indicate a lowered general immunity due to a lesser time spent sleeping in modern times and a disturbance of sleep rhythms due to moving screen usage.

    This is not to deny that treatments are necessary for Covid 2019 infections, nor to deny that these treatments may not be available for many people, nor to deny that medical staff are overworked and sleep deprived. All of these things apply. Good treatment in hospital however is available so far in western nations. Getting oxygen into the struggling lung alveoli is the main one and much is known these days abut how best to do this (tidal pressures etc). Something used in the past that is given prominence again here is plasma transfusions from those who have been previously infected, which apparently gives a huge shot of antibodies. This plasma has been reported informally to be very effective in some cases, although numerator/denominator relationship not yet known nor is it known how easily plasma may be obtained in mass and stored. Shouldn’t be too difficult in the West, where plasma centrifuging is often done. Indeed, many cosmetic surgeries have such things – I have had a plasma treatment cosmetically to my face, where they take your blood, centrifuge the plasma on site in the doctor’s office, and a nurse then reinjects it into your skin in tiny pinpricks (not too pleasant but not really awful). This reinvigorates the production of collagen in the aging skin cells. I was dubious, but my friend talked me into it, and it worked very well for me. They also do this plasma injection treatment for bad knees and other body deficits. There is probably a level of hocus pocus about it, but currently any treatment that seems to work on Covid-2019 is worth a go an plasma treatment seems to reduce inflammation, reduce the viral load in the blood and thus improve the O2 transfer in the alveoli. As I mentioned yesterday morning, the anti-viral Remdesivir has been shown to be very effective too.

    The link I have put up discusses the plasma treatment but is also useful in looking at one of the best epidemiological curves we have available to us at present – that of Singapore, where a ‘stealth’ epidemic may have started. There is now one case with no known contact. The curve in Singapore is moving from a curve start of case doubling every 4-6 days to a case doubling now of every 6-7 days as numbers rise on an exponential increase. This presenter also discusses the first stats we have from China on just over 1000 cases with some category breakdowns, including smoking (where the data is overall inconclusive in spite of a seemingly strong .001 p value at first glance) and age and sex distribution (inconclusive for all except the very young, who are mostly spared). He also mentions not to put your faith in the view that the virus won’t like a hot temperature climate. There is no ‘summer slowdown’ in Singapore (confounder there may of course be their love of fierce aircon, which he doesn’t mention).

  105. Arky

    All of this managed to escape the councils requirements for a new building.

    ..
    As it should.
    What he does on his tiny plot of mud allotted by the Crown should be no concern of yours from your tiny plot of mud allotted by the Crown.
    Grow a hedge and mind your own business.

  106. feelthebern

    Warren Brown & the Tele won a PC complaint about one of his cartoons.
    I wonder who made the complaint in the first place.

  107. Diogenes

    All of this managed to escape the councils requirements for a new building.

    On one of the first series of Grand Designs Australia was the couple who had a “renovation” approved quite quickly with no changes , as the new design retained one wall of the original building. The idiot builder accidentally demolished that wall, and they spent 2 years trying to get their “new” build, identical to the approved renovation through council, and a very different, and IMHO shittier design popped out the other side.

  108. Eyrie

    Another well known aviation poem:

    An Irish Airman Foresees His Death
    W. B. Yeats – 1865-1939

    I know that I shall meet my fate
    Somewhere among the clouds above;
    Those that I fight I do not hate
    Those that I guard I do not love;
    My country is Kiltartan Cross,
    My countrymen Kiltartan’s poor,
    No likely end could bring them loss
    Or leave them happier than before.
    Nor law, nor duty bade me fight,
    Nor public man, nor cheering crowds,
    A lonely impulse of delight
    Drove to this tumult in the clouds;
    I balanced all, brought all to mind,
    The years to come seemed waste of breath,
    A waste of breath the years behind
    In balance with this life, this death.

    Charles Lindbergh once said that if he could get 10 years of flying before being killed, he’d take the deal.

  109. Arky

    Bloody hell Lizzie.
    I’m not reading all that.
    Give me a three sentence summary without the phrase “ageing skin cells”.

  110. RobK

    Gez,
    Our local roadsides are wildlife corridors according to the legislation but are in fact overgrown weedy fire hazards.
    Which turn into impassable flaming tunnels from hell in the event of a fire, when access is paramount.

  111. Top Ender

    Interesting own goal.

    HIGH COURT’S RACE RULING A LOW BLOW TO DEMOCRACY

    JENNIFER ORIEL

    Last week’s landmark decision creates a racial divide, and a new class of criminal

    The High Court decision to introduce a race-based test for the differential treatment of criminals under Australian law is undemocratic. It transfers the authority to determine who enters Australia from millions of citizens and our elected parliament to unelected lawyers. It establishes race privilege — racism — as a right. It poses a threat to social cohesion by dividing Australians into racial categories and offering special protections to a minority. And it threatens the safety of law-abiding citizens by providing for a criminal class that cannot be deported.

    The perverse incentive created by the High Court is that if a foreign national with indigenous status commits a violent crime in Australia, they won’t have to leave.

    The two men granted special recognition by the High Court were facing deportation on character grounds because they committed violent crimes against people in Australia. New Zealander Brendan Thoms was convicted of a domestic violence offence. Daniel Love, a citizen of Papua New Guinea, was convicted of assault occasioning bodily harm. Neither of them has Australian citizenship.

    In their decision, four High Court judges — Virginia Bell, James Edelman, Michelle Gordon and Geoffrey Nettle — created a new category of Australian called a “belonger”. This person is not a citizen but we must accept them as Australian because of their race.

    In this case, the protected race of Aboriginality endows foreign nationals with the right to stay in Australia even after committing violent crimes against people. The High Court four believe if a person passes the tripartite test of Aboriginal descent used in native title cases, they cannot be recognised as an alien for the purpose of migration law.

    Indigenous Australians Minister Ken Wyatt said he was pleased with the High Court decision because it used “biological evidence” consistent with Mabo as the basis of determining the foreign criminals’ right to remain. Chief Justice Susan Kiefel disagreed with their interpretation, saying Mabo did not provide a basis for such a conclusion. In dissent, Justice Stephen Gageler also argued that section 51

    (xix) of the Constitution did not admit the existence of a new category of non-aliens who would be “consigned to inhabit a constitutional netherworld”.

    By a 4:3 majority, the High Court has changed the definition of a citizen and, by extension, the mutual recognition between fellow citizens that creates a sense of mateship, positive patriotism and nationhood.

    The relation of the citizen to the state defines what model of nationhood is recognised in each country. In a representative democracy, citizens are entitled to equality before the law and universal suffrage to elect their parliamentary representatives. For unelected judges to create a racebased hierarchy that endows one racial group with special privileges and protections denied to the majority is inegalitarian and undemocratic. The High Court four may believe they are progressive, but they have embedded inequality in Australian law by making race privilege a legal prerogative. History demonstrates how dangerous the precedent can be.

    The High Court judges who contend that foreigners are Australians if they commit a crime and claim indigenous ancestry are insulting the intelligence of the people. They have exceeded the natural limit of their authority and set a precedent for legal reform that flies in the face of representative democracy. No reform so radical should be made without obtaining the express consent of the Australian people by referendum, plebiscite or taking the proposal to a federal election.

    The law should provide an incentive for people to be lawabiding by punishing criminality. In this case, the High Court decision provides a perverse incentive for violence against Australian citizens by rewarding foreign criminals with the right to remain if they have Aboriginal ancestry.

    The deportation of foreign criminals sends a clear message that we will decide who enters Australia and who stays here. Those who commit violence against Australians are not welcome in our country, any more than a violent stranger would be welcome in our homes. Foreign nationals who abuse and hurt our children, women or men should not be rewarded with the gift of remaining here. There are countless refugees of good character who are desperate to call our country home. Welcome them, not the men who do us harm.

    As the genocidal terrorist group Islamic State gained power and exploited weak national border policy to carry out devastating terrorist attacks, the Coalition reformed national security laws. Last year, Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton defended the authority to deport foreign criminals, saying 100 deportees were convicted pedophiles, 56 were armed robbers, 125 had committed an assault, 13 were convicted murderers and 53 were guilty of domestic violence.

    Dutton responded to the High Court indigenous ruling by saying he respected the law as it stands but found the decision problematic. His department is seeking legal advice on options for legislation to limit damage that could be caused by the ruling.

    The first priority of government is to keep citizens safe. The High Court appears to have abandoned the principle in an apparent pursuit of social justice. The court’s new “belongers” can commit violent crimes against Australians without fear of deportation if they have the right blood. If the goal of the High Court four was to sow the seeds of backlash against indigenous Australians, they have a done a sterling job of it.

    The High Court ruling is inconsistent with democracy. It entrenches inequality on the basis of race. It sows social discord by subordinating the safety of Australians to the pursuit of social justice. It violates the principle of equality before the law. It represents elitism of the lowest order.

    The judges who made the decision are being feted as progressive. Racism is not progress. A belief in race-based privilege is not progressive. To celebrate the rise of race-based immigration law is to be on the wrong side of history.

    Oz print edition

  112. Top Ender

    Interesting own goal.

    HIGH COURT’S RACE RULING A LOW BLOW TO DEMOCRACY

    JENNIFER ORIEL

    Last week’s landmark decision creates a racial divide, and a new class of criminal

    The High Court decision to introduce a race-based test for the differential treatment of criminals under Australian law is undemocratic. It transfers the authority to determine who enters Australia from millions of citizens and our elected parliament to unelected lawyers. It establishes race privilege — racism — as a right. It poses a threat to social cohesion by dividing Australians into racial categories and offering special protections to a minority. And it threatens the safety of law-abiding citizens by providing for a criminal class that cannot be deported.

    The perverse incentive created by the High Court is that if a foreign national with indigenous status commits a violent crime in Australia, they won’t have to leave.

    The two men granted special recognition by the High Court were facing deportation on character grounds because they committed violent crimes against people in Australia. New Zealander Brendan Thoms was convicted of a domestic violence offence. Daniel Love, a citizen of Papua New Guinea, was convicted of assault occasioning bodily harm. Neither of them has Australian citizenship.

    In their decision, four High Court judges — Virginia Bell, James Edelman, Michelle Gordon and Geoffrey Nettle — created a new category of Australian called a “belonger”. This person is not a citizen but we must accept them as Australian because of their race.

    In this case, the protected race of Aboriginality endows foreign nationals with the right to stay in Australia even after committing violent crimes against people. The High Court four believe if a person passes the tripartite test of Aboriginal descent used in native title cases, they cannot be recognised as an alien for the purpose of migration law.

    Indigenous Australians Minister Ken Wyatt said he was pleased with the High Court decision because it used “biological evidence” consistent with Mabo as the basis of determining the foreign criminals’ right to remain. Chief Justice Susan Kiefel disagreed with their interpretation, saying Mabo did not provide a basis for such a conclusion. In dissent, Justice Stephen Gageler also argued that section 51

    (xix) of the Constitution did not admit the existence of a new category of non-aliens who would be “consigned to inhabit a constitutional netherworld”.

    By a 4:3 majority, the High Court has changed the definition of a citizen and, by extension, the mutual recognition between fellow citizens that creates a sense of mateship, positive patriotism and nationhood.

    The relation of the citizen to the state defines what model of nationhood is recognised in each country. In a representative democracy, citizens are entitled to equality before the law and universal suffrage to elect their parliamentary representatives. For unelected judges to create a racebased hierarchy that endows one racial group with special privileges and protections denied to the majority is inegalitarian and undemocratic. The High Court four may believe they are progressive, but they have embedded inequality in Australian law by making race privilege a legal prerogative. History demonstrates how dangerous the precedent can be.

    The High Court judges who contend that foreigners are Australians if they commit a crime and claim indigenous ancestry are insulting the intelligence of the people. They have exceeded the natural limit of their authority and set a precedent for legal reform that flies in the face of representative democracy. No reform so radical should be made without obtaining the express consent of the Australian people by referendum, plebiscite or taking the proposal to a federal election.

    The law should provide an incentive for people to be law-abiding by punishing criminality. In this case, the High Court decision provides a perverse incentive for violence against Australian citizens by rewarding foreign criminals with the right to remain if they have Aboriginal ancestry.

    The deportation of foreign criminals sends a clear message that we will decide who enters Australia and who stays here. Those who commit violence against Australians are not welcome in our country, any more than a violent stranger would be welcome in our homes. Foreign nationals who abuse and hurt our children, women or men should not be rewarded with the gift of remaining here. There are countless refugees of good character who are desperate to call our country home. Welcome them, not the men who do us harm.

    As the genocidal terrorist group Islamic State gained power and exploited weak national border policy to carry out devastating terrorist attacks, the Coalition reformed national security laws. Last year, Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton defended the authority to deport foreign criminals, saying 100 deportees were convicted p edophiles, 56 were armed robbers, 125 had committed an assault, 13 were convicted murderers and 53 were guilty of domestic violence.

    Dutton responded to the High Court indigenous ruling by saying he respected the law as it stands but found the decision problematic. His department is seeking legal advice on options for legislation to limit damage that could be caused by the ruling.

    The first priority of government is to keep citizens safe. The High Court appears to have abandoned the principle in an apparent pursuit of social justice. The court’s new “belongers” can commit violent crimes against Australians without fear of deportation if they have the right blood. If the goal of the High Court four was to sow the seeds of backlash against indigenous Australians, they have a done a sterling job of it.

    The High Court ruling is inconsistent with democracy. It entrenches inequality on the basis of race. It sows social discord by subordinating the safety of Australians to the pursuit of social justice. It violates the principle of equality before the law. It represents elitism of the lowest order.

    The judges who made the decision are being feted as progressive. Racism is not progress. A belief in race-based privilege is not progressive. To celebrate the rise of race-based immigration law is to be on the wrong side of history.

  113. Anthony

    What is the difference between Pelosi and Herod?
    It is only alleged that Herod massacred all those children. It’s a fact that Pelosi supports the murder of children.

  114. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    vowing to scrap the television licence fee and make viewers pay a subscription.

    This sounds as though they simply intend to change the method of collection. Currently you buy the licence from the newsagent and then enforcer vans tour around and do door knock inspections (this anyway was the system when we had to do it in 2011). I’ll bet that it will now turn into a non-voluntary tax for BBC production, rather like our Medicare and ‘temporary’ flood levy etc.

    A voluntary fee would be wonderful. As with the ABC, few people really want to pay for the mostly ‘woke’ garbage that these public broadcasters provide. We could call it a plebescite! 🙂

  115. “We give thanks to the heroes who keep us safe And. For. The. God. Who. Made. Us Free.” (points towards the heavens).

    So says a POTUS who dodged (5 times) any opportunity to “keep us safe” and smeared a dead veteran’s parents for political gain.
    Every time he opens his mouth, he sends himself up, but the few who voted for him are too thick to see it.

  116. Those that I fight I do not hate
    Those that I guard I do not love;

    Yeats was uncanningly prescient.
    Applied between 1964 and 1972 in this country.

  117. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Bloody hell Lizzie.
    I’m not reading all that.

    Find your inner teacher, Arky. Gird yur loins and get to it.

    Apparently old men can get penile injections too.
    I am not sure though what they put in them.
    I don’t think it’s autologous blood. Maybe concrete. 😀

  118. Arky

    This guy’s videos have taken a turn towards grim:
    ..


  119. Tom

    Warren Brown & the Tele won a PC complaint about one of his cartoons.
    I wonder who made the complaint in the first place.

    Well, that’s obvious: it was look-at-me lesbian Kerryn Phelps herself or any one of the doctor’s wives who voted for her in Wentworth (before their attack of buyer’s remorse).

    Read the Stalinesque Press Council ruling on whether the Warren Brown cartoon is funny.

  120. Duhhhhhhhh.

    Praise the Lord.
    KD’s most intelligent contribution so far….

  121. MatrixTransform

    Every time he opens his mouth, he sends himself up, but the few who voted for him are too thick to see it.

    63M people are thick

    imputes theTard…who doesn’t care for anything that happens in the land of the shooting spree.

  122. Diogenes

    Image how much more efficient building would be if councils weren’t such arseholes.

    Neighbour’s permission to build a driveway which was part of the house approval, expired. Applied for a new one (same footprint – $2500 including”Art House” levy) knocked back had to be moved 500mm in one direction and then resubmission approved 12 months ago. It was formed up according to plan ready to pour last Saturday. Council wanker shows up on Friday to inspect, and says it has to be narrowed 300mm. It seems there was a ‘code/law/regulation change’ that came into effect during January. The combination of move & narrowing means the driveway no longer lines up properly with the garage.

    A colleague has been trying to do a new build at Saratoga for the last 4 years, and so far he has spent $ 10’000s on consultants and engineers. His demolition approval has expired twice, and he finally had a win just before Christmas when his DA was approved. He is now waiting for the construction approval.

    Each time he has lodged plans & certifier’s, town planning consultant’s & engineer’s reports (which all say what he wants to do is fine, he is a trained engineer himself and in his previous life designed chemical plants).

    Each report sees council changing something fundamental about his design , and so far his garage has occupied 6 different positions (and I don’t mean move it 300mm that way , but no move it to otherside/front back/middle of the block), each change requires new engineers’ reports. The house itself has been moved from the setback, to the rear of the block, hard up against the left of the block, then hard up against the right, then back to the setback line. His maximum height has raised and lowered twice. BTW the approved DA is very close to the very first one he lodged, except the footprint has moved 250mm towards one boundary, and his maximum height was reduced 100mm.

  123. 63M people are thick

    Harsh but fair…..
    Balanced by the facts.
    As far as the popular vote went, Clinton defeated Donald Trump by almost 2.9 million votes, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%).
    So there are quite a few Septics with a brain, and sometimes they actually vote.

  124. The derangement continues.

    Numbers constantly complains about his service but complains about somebody else who avoided it. Numbers wasn’t smart enough to work out how to get out of his.

    The “few” who voted for Trump was enough according to the US election rules. Naturally being a leftist the vote is only legitimate if it goes their way.

    Numbers needs help.

    So says a POTUS who dodged (5 times) any opportunity to “keep us safe” and smeared a dead veteran’s parents for political gain.
    Every time he opens his mouth, he sends himself up, but the few who voted for him are too thick to see it.

  125. Marty

    According to an article in the UK Sunday Times the blueprint being drawn up by the government for the BBC are to:
    ● Scrap the licence fee and replace it with a subscription model
    ● Force the BBC to sell off the vast majority of its 61 radio stations but safeguard Radio 3 and Radio 4
    ● Reduce the number of the corporation’s national television channels from its current 10
    ● Scale back the BBC website
    ● Invest more in the World Service
    ● Ban BBC stars from cashing in with lucrative second jobs.
    All seems pretty good to me. I wonder if our government will take note and follow suit.

  126. The “few” who voted for Trump was enough according to the US election rules.

    Thank the Lord for our electoral system, with it’s compulsory universal suffrage, efficient and fair Electoral Commission, and preferential voting.
    We are light years ahead of the US corrupt, gerrymandered and money driven system.
    They pretend they respect democracy – but shit all over it with abandon.

  127. Arky

    Numbers constantly complains about his service but complains about somebody else who avoided it

    ..
    No logic there at all is there?
    Shouldn’t wang be all, like: “Wow, Trump was amazing the way he avoided that unjust war I’m always blithering on about like an epileptic with false finger nails glued all over his naked body then thrown into a blackboard warehouse?

  128. Shouldn’t wang be all, like

    And this idiot speaks English?

  129. mh

    make viewers pay a subscription?

    Yep. You view it, you pay. Don’t view it, don’t pay.

  130. Arky

    But nooooo.
    You see Trump wanted to avoid war because he is a mean cowardly orange man, whereas superwang wanted to avoid war bacause of his noble love for all humanity.

  131. JC

    Boris doesn’t sound bad at all.

    Downing Street has turned on the BBC — vowing to scrap the television licence fee and make viewers pay a subscription. The national broadcaster could also be compelled to downsize and sell off most of its radio stations.

    In a plan that would change the face of British broadcasting, senior aides to Prime Minister Boris Johnson insisted on Sunday AEDT that they were “not bluffing” about changing the BBC’s funding model and “pruning” its reach into people’s homes.

    The blueprint being drawn up in government will scrap the ­licence fee and replace it with a subscription model; force the BBC to sell off the vast majority of its 61 radio stations but safeguard Radio 3 and Radio 4; reduce the number of the corporation’s national television channels from 10; scale back the BBC website; invest more in the World Service and ban BBC stars from cashing in with lucrative second jobs.
    Read Next

    Set at £154.50 a year, the licence fee generated £3.69bn for the BBC last year.

    Not bad at all.

  132. Arky. Maybe we should end all Donald related posts with
    “God bless the President of the United States of America.”

    Trigger the bastards.

  133. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3325894, posted on February 17, 2020 at 8:15 am

    Fatty Fucking Ashton (the Hun):

    ‘Top cop Graham Ashton has taken the extraordinary step of writing to principals to ­advocate against a veteran police in schools program.

    Tomorrow:-

    Yes, I agree, that looks like my signature, but I have no recollection of ever seeing this letter.

  134. Arky

    And this idiot speaks English?

    ..
    I have measured verbal IQ of 150.
    I read mandarin for pleasure.
    My vocabulary is demonstrably twice or three times yours.

  135. Roger

    The blueprint being drawn up in government will scrap the ­licence fee and replace it with a subscription model…

    That suggests that signing up to the BBC will be voluntary.

    Take note, Messrs. Morrison & Fletcher.

  136. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    BTW the approved DA is very close to the very first one he lodged, except the footprint has moved 250mm towards one boundary, and his maximum height was reduced 100mm.

    This sort of thing is simply ‘make work’ for Council planning employees. Fire. Them. All.
    It also encourages the worst sort of busybody neighbours to create havoc – happened to some friends of ours in their new build, and it cost them a fortune.

    There should just be some very basic guidelines which are indicative rather than compulsory.
    It’s your land and the only real issue should be safety of the foundations and building materials and techniques.

  137. I have measured verbal IQ of 150.
    I read mandarin for pleasure.
    My vocabulary is demonstrably twice or three times yours.

    Such a modest little clown.

  138. JC

    Arky the 150 iq figure is obviously a mistake:-)

  139. Tom

    Adam Scott wins the LA Open*, still wielding the cripple stick (broomstick putter).

    *renamed the Genesis Invitational.

  140. Arky

    JC
    #3326009, posted on February 17, 2020 at 10:39 am
    Arky the 150 iq figure is obviously a mistake:-)

    ..
    Just confirm for the little dickhead that you received the documentary evidence I sent you.
    I have a point, and it isn’t directly about how smart I am.

  141. JC

    Arky sent me a copy /pic of the report showing very superior IQ. Arky is being honest reporting it, but obviously there was a huge error and they reported it for the wrong names. Some poor schlep is walking around thinking he has an IQ of 63, when it’s really 150. Sad.

  142. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I have measured verbal IQ of 150.

    Me too, Arky. Over 150 I was told by the intense young male psych student who got me to sit for it when I was 20 and working in ads; I had hired him as a focus group interviewer for a project I was involved in. You should be at university, he breathed to me, somewhat in awe, as though I was some sort of special specimen. I completed his initial test in half the time allocated and did his more advanced test perfectly too. I’ve always been good with words, I reassured him. It’s nothing more than that.

    I don’t read Mandarin for pleasure though. 🙂

    And I don’t believe in IQ tests either.
    Big Sis does; she belongs to Mensa and is a greenie catastrophist. I rest my case.

  143. areff

    I wonder if our government will take note and follow suit.

    That would require a sentient minister. There is no evidence Fletcher, minister for snoring, qualifies.

  144. Arky sent me a copy /pic of the report showing very superior IQ.

    Now that says everything you need to know about these two.
    They must be Catallaxy aficionados.

  145. This is for all you gun wankers out there.
    Enjoy….

  146. Roger

    How has it come to be that councils take an inordinate interest in the siting of drive ways & garages on a suburban block but apparently wave through multi-storey fire traps built with sub-standard materials?

  147. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Those I guard I do not love’

    Yeats was uncanningly prescient.
    Applied between 1964 and 1972 in this country.’

    1. You didn’t guard anyone or anything, according to your own snivellings.
    2. The feeling was clearly mutual.
    3. As a favour to literacy in this country, please explain the etymology and meaning of ‘uncanningly’.

    It is tax-related, like imputing someone’s reputation?

  148. Leigh Lowe

    Donald’s warm up lap in Daytona a tad disappointing.
    I was hoping he would repaint the limo in Dukes of Hazzard livery … red with a Confederate flag on the roof and a big number “45” on the door.
    Maybe “Four More Years” on the bonnet.

  149. MatrixTransform

    They pretend they respect democracy – but shit all over it with abandon.

    theTard beclowns itself every time it opens it’s mouth.

    you really don’t understand either the Electoral college or the way or preference system works do you Numptard?

    lemme guess though, if retards in even the even greater numbers required elected Hillary the Electoral college would be valid?
    or invalid?

  150. That would require a sentient minister.

    I will reuse that.

    Can we sentience testing for all candidates at elections?

  151. Arky

    I have measured verbal IQ of 150.

    Me too, Arky

    ..
    I can tell Lizzie.
    Being a teacher for many years, an actual conscientious teacher of all types of students, one only has to read a sample of someone’s efforts and one can tell a lot.

  152. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Force the BBC to sell off the vast majority of its 61 radio stations but safeguard Radio 3 and Radio 4
    ● Reduce the number of the corporation’s national television channels from its current 10
    ● Scale back the BBC website

    What’s not to like? I hope we can hear a little quaking in the boots at Ultimo.

  153. How has it come to be that councils take an inordinate interest in the siting of drive ways & garages on a suburban block but apparently wave through multi-storey fire traps built with sub-standard materials?

    Refer to my post about developers on Council. (#3325909, posted on February 17, 2020 at 8:32 am)

  154. Leigh Lowe

    Set at £154.50 a year, the licence fee generated £3.69bn for the BBC last year.

    Decent windfall for the punters.
    Standby for the snotty articles about “pasty men in white vans spending their 154 quid on lager and chips and then going home to beat up their wives”.

  155. red with a Confederate flag on the roof and a big number “45” on the door.

    How about a Daisy on the roof?

  156. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I can tell Lizzie.
    Being a teacher for many years, an actual conscientious teacher of all types of students, one only has to read a sample of someone’s efforts and one can tell a lot.

    I hope what you can tell is good, Arky. 🙂

    If I was clever enough to be able to do lots of bouncing around emoji’s and gifs with champagne glasses and other celebratory things I would do a lap of honour. But I’m not. 🙁

  157. mh

    Downing Street has turned on the BBC — vowing to scrap the television licence fee and make viewers pay a subscription. The national broadcaster could also be compelled to downsize and sell off most of its radio stations.

    In a plan that would change the face of British broadcasting, senior aides to Prime Minister Boris Johnson insisted on Sunday AEDT that they were “not bluffing” about changing the BBC’s funding model and “pruning” its reach into people’s homes.

    The blueprint being drawn up in government will scrap the ­licence fee and replace it with a subscription model; force the BBC to sell off the vast majority of its 61 radio stations but safeguard Radio 3 and Radio 4; reduce the number of the corporation’s national television channels from 10; scale back the BBC website; invest more in the World Service and ban BBC stars from cashing in with lucrative second jobs.

    Set at £154.50 a year, the licence fee generated £3.69bn for the BBC last year.

    The plan marks a further escalation of hostilities between No 10 and the corporation following speeches last week by BBC chairman David Clementi, who launched an outspoken defence of the licence fee.

    Sir David argued that a move to a subscription model would mean a loss of earnings for the BBC that would lead to popular programs being axed and the introduction of Netflix-style payments could result in the loss of public service programming in a race to attract paying viewers.

    Ministers are already consulting on plans to decriminalise non-payment of the licence fee from 2022 and have suggested the compulsory levy could be scrapped by 2027, when the BBC’s charter is set for renewal.

    A senior source said: “We are not bluffing on the licence fee. We are having a consultation and we will whack it. It has to be a subscription model. They’ve got hundreds of radio stations, they’ve got all these TV stations and a massive website. The whole thing needs massive pruning back.

    “They should have a few TV stations, a couple of radio stations and massively curtailed online presence and put more money and effort into the World Service, which is part of its core job.”

    The attack on the BBC will be led by John Whittingdale, the former culture secretary who was reappointed as a minister of state in his old department on Friday.

    One source described Mr Whittingdale’s instructions from No 10 as: “Mission: attack.”

    Mr Johnson’s girlfriend, Carrie Symonds, used to be Mr Whittingdale’s special adviser.

    A No 10 source said: “The PM is firmly of the view that there needs to be serious reform. He is really strident on this.”

    Polls show the BBC retains high approval ratings with more than 80 per cent of voters.

    The proposal to ban outside earnings comes after BBC editorial director of news Kamal Ahmed, who earns £205,000 a year, was forced to repay £12,000 he earned from addressing an investment conference. A No 10 source suggested BBC stars making money on the side should pay it to a charity such as Help the Aged as the BBC is threatening to cut free licences for the over-75s. “It’s an outrage that people who make their profile at public expense should seek to give themselves further financial rewards and personal gain,” the source said.

    Downing Street is locked in a standoff with the BBC over its political coverage, refusing to put up ministers for Radio 4’s flagship program, Today. A No 10 source rejected Sir David’s claim a subscription model would cost the BBC money: “The BBC is making a wonderful case for the importance of the BBC; if the people of this country agree, they’ll subscribe.”

    The Sunday Times

  158. Arky

    one only has to read a sample of someone’s efforts and one can tell a lot.

    ..
    Now I am very bad at a lot of things.
    A poor soldier. A fairly unsociable type. Bad tempered. All kinds of areas of life where I have to be honest and admit failure.
    But the one area wang the stupid picked on to try to attack was the one area I am demonstrably superior, and I won’t let false modesty prevent me from pointing out the man’s stupidity in so doing.

  159. Leigh Lowe

    Polls show the BBC retains high approval ratings with more than 80 per cent of voters.

    So, no problems rounding up enough voluntary subscribers then.
    Unless the 80 % number is bullshit.

  160. Roger

    BREAKING

    Communications minister Paul Fletcher has rushed to reassure ABC staff that the Morrison government will not be copying Boris Johnson’s reforms to the BBC.

    Speaking on AM this morning…

  161. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Pahahahahahahahahahaha! Yes that’s right, the overwhelmingly Chinese customers who are running a million miles from Chinatown are discriminating against Chinese people.

    let’s sacrifice the pale, stale, white ageing males for the feelz

  162. Geriatric Mayfly

    What’s not to like? I hope we can hear a little quaking in the boots at Ultimo.

    The mere thought by any politician, especially a Liberal one, going down this path will unleash the ABC furies from under every log and rock and all fetid swamps. Exactly why there is no fortitude and immediate retreat if wrong think ever crosses a Minister’s mind.

  163. lemme guess though, if retards in even the even (sic) greater numbers required elected Hillary the Electoral college would be valid?
    or invalid?

    Once this gibberish is translated – “Let me guess that if even if the greater numbers required electoral college would be valid” – the answer is “no”.
    It’s gerrymandered.
    Both Republicans and Democrats take advantage of the gerrymander at every opportunity.
    It is a corrupt and anachronistic system.
    Having said that, it mirrors American culture pretty accurately.
    And at the same time demonstrates the superiority of ours.

  164. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Communications minister Paul Fletcher has rushed to reassure ABC staff that the Morrison government will not be copying Boris Johnson’s reforms to the BBC.

    gutless and gormless conservatives retire from the fight again

  165. notafan

    Good move by Boris.

    People, usually poor ones, are bring sent to PRISON for the non payment of the BBC license fee.

    Pay a subscription, like Netflix, who have 11 million customers in Australia alone.

  166. mh

    Communications minister Paul Fletcher has rushed to reassure ABC staff that the Morrison government will not be copying Boris Johnson’s reforms to the BBC.

    Oh FFS!

  167. areff

    How about a Daisy on the roof?

    Front-quarter panel is more comfortable and practical.

  168. Old School Conservative

    I was “doxed” about ten years ago, and continue to be here, and on other sites.

    And there I was thinking that numbers voluntarily gave us his name, rank, and serial number (and his two web sites, the title of his book, PayPal details, service experience, American travel stories etc).

  169. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Personally, I say to the many capable people on this site who can put an argument together and write an English sentence with more than two clauses, if you can do these things then thank a teacher. Someone somewhere managed to get through to you. Even Numbers must have had his successes and he would gain more friends here if he concentrated on that other aspect of teaching, which is learning, rather than relive his soldiering which some may feel was less successful. I’d thank him too for that, btw, and then move on.

    I was in the A class in my high school, which was serving a strongly immigrant and disadvantaged community. My class contained 43 students, my attendance was rather irregular due to home circumstances and I peeled away from school and home when I was fourteen and four months after gaining the Intermediate Certificate (a year younger than others in my class). The education I had received allowed me to become an advertising copywriter, a base from which to then gain a Commonwealth Scholarship by attending Sydney Tech Day Matriculation classes. The teaching at Sydney Tech in the early 60’s was in many subjects quite exemplary. I thank those teachers in my memories daily. They didn’t just teach, they inspired. I felt like a kid in the proverbial lolly ship.

  170. mh

    The Coalition turns the other cheek.

  171. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Was this coronavirus PATIENT ZERO? Scientist describes gruesome bat attack at Chinese lab
    CORONAVIRUS ‘patient zero’ may have been a worker from a high security pathogen laboratory working with coronavirus infected bats, Chinese researchers have claimed

  172. Old School Conservative

    efficient and fair Electoral Commission

    Numbers is developing a wonderful sense of humour.

  173. Shy Ted

    I was “doxed” about ten years ago, and continue to be here, and on other sites.
    Do tell us which sites, TwoBob. Should be worth a read.

  174. Arky

    Now, I’m not the one casually mentioning in passing that he is doing some retarded higher degree in the soft sciences.
    And repeatedly taking on actual Ph.Ds in hard sciences on this very blog and making a complete cock of myself.
    That would be wang.
    The very same wang who takes on experienced members of the army on this very blog and again, repeatedly makes a complete cock of himself, so that even a relatively inexperienced in military matters individual such as myself can tell who is correct and who is making up a narrative to salve some basic driving inadequacy within themselves.

  175. John64

    Communications minister Paul Fletcher has rushed to reassure ABC staff that the Morrison government will not be copying Boris Johnson’s reforms to the BBC.

    Within his chest is not a heart beating for the fight; but a split-pea.

  176. Infidel Tiger

    Paul Mozur 孟建国
    @paulmozur
    To stop the spread of the coronavirus much of China has effectively shut down. What’s not been fully appreciated is how extensive the closures are. By our calculations 760 million are living under some kind of residential lockdown.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/paulmozur/status/1228751784111271936

    Incredible thread.

  177. Arky

    lemme guess though, if retards in even the even (sic)

    ..
    Its using it’s fourth form understanding of grammar to again correct men better than itself in a pathetic attempt at demonstrating superiority.

  178. They didn’t just teach, they inspired.

    You misunderstand teaching.
    A teachers first task is to inspire.
    Once inspired, you cannot stop a human from learning.

  179. Infidel Tiger

    It’s only February and Bloomberg has already spent over USD$400,000,000 on ads.

    Mini Mike is making people rich.

  180. notafan

    It’s the repetitious talking points that are most irritating.

    Wang

    Two years teachers college deferment

    Trump

    Four years college deferment

    One medical.

    If only Bobby had done three years of arts and then a dip ed.

  181. Leigh Lowe

    The proposal to ban outside earnings comes after BBC editorial director of news Kamal Ahmed, who earns £205,000 a year, was forced to repay £12,000 he earned from addressing an investment conference. A No 10 source suggested BBC stars making money on the side should pay it to a charity such as Help the Aged as the BBC is threatening to cut free licences for the over-75s. “It’s an outrage that people who make their profile at public expense should seek to give themselves further financial rewards and personal gain,” the source said.

    That is the bit that will have Red Kezza et al choking on their steel cut oats this morning.

  182. Old School Conservative

    It’s only February and Bloomberg has already spent over USD$400,000,000 on ads.

    Well, there goes the Democrats’ meme “You can’t let billionaires buy their way into the White House”.

  183. candy

    63M people are thick

    So around 63M voted for more jobs and getting manufacturing back in the States and a better economic outlook.

    In my world, that is sensible.

  184. The very same wang who takes on experienced members of the army on this very blog and again, repeatedly makes a complete cock of himself,

    Better check with Hazmatic.

    He seems to have retired hurt.

    And whilst you’re posting, reveal the “experienced members of the army on this very blog” you refer to.
    There are a few superannuated ex-Regs, a hyperventilating weirdo who sells hot dogs and gets frostbite, and another who spends hours reading diaries of ex-military Vietnamese.
    None of them have ever revealed when and where they served, except for Johno who still can’t decide whether some of the men he served with were volunteer conscripts or conscripted volunteers.

  185. Geriatric Mayfly

    It’s only February and Bloomberg has already spent over USD$400,000,000 on ads.

    All well and good. But have any “gone viral” to apply the thoroughly modern litmus test?

  186. Arky

    And whilst you’re posting, reveal the “experienced members of the army on this very blog” you refer to.

    ..
    No. Because your entire schtick on here seems to be an underhand attempt at discrediting the site and I don’t trust you an inch with other’s details.

  187. Roger

    By our calculations 760 million are living under some kind of residential lockdown.

    Early research found that 2019-nCoV targets the ACE2 receptor, which is found in East Asians at roughly five-times the rate of other global populations, indicating that the Wuhan Strain 2019-nCoV was likely developed as part of a gain-of-function defensive project possibly linked to immunotherapy or vaccinations – never meant to leave the lab, but meant to serve as a Red Team to fight back against, not as an offensive weapon since the virus is likely wired to be more virulent among Asian populations.

    RTWT

  188. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Top China official concedes challenge but slams ‘overreaction’
    State Councillor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi acknowledged that the coronavirus posed a big challenge to the country, but defended Beijing’s management of the epidemic while lashing out at the “overreaction” of other countries.

    In a wide-ranging interview with Reuters news agency, the senior leader said any country in the world would find it hard to control the virus’s spread, but China has done it.

    He also urged the United States not to take unnecessary virus-response measures that could hamper trade, travel and tourism.

  189. mh

    Shut. It. Down.

    Fire. Them. All.

  190. dover_beach

    Communications minister Paul Fletcher has rushed to reassure ABC staff

    Why? It’s not a function of his role to assure ABC staff of anything. He’s a Minister of the Crown, his constituency is the Australian people.

  191. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Classes in First Year at my high school went from 1A to B,C,D,E and then M. A did Latin, French, Maths 1, Maths 2, Science, English and History. 1B did the same, but with no Latin, which was replaced by Geography. 1C was the ‘commercial’ strand, who did a simpler Maths, no languages, English composition with no literature analysis, Business Principles, typing and shorthand for the girls and metalwork for the boys. They also did Art. 1D and 1E did the 1C English and Maths, but Home Economics for the girls, and Carpentry and a limited Metalwork for the boys. 1M did a lot of singing, dancing and finger-painting with primary school level English and maths. Occasionally people moved up or down a class alphabet when it came to Second Year. Big Sis was moved from 1B to 1A half way through her first year. She is actually smarter than me, but bore more of the brunt of home problems than I did, I see now, looking back.

    Everyone had one lesson a week in Physical Education (on parallel bars and a ‘horse’) and one lesson of needlework for girls and woodwork for boys and scripture for everyone. We also all did an afternoon of sport a week, where I used to crawl under a demountable and read. These ‘extra’ activities were to provide the fiction that we all studied some things together. My needlework was shocking and I failed apron making but my athletics allowed my balletic talents to rise.

  192. Roger

    Why? It’s not a function of his role to assure ABC staff of anything. He’s a Minister of the Crown, his constituency is the Australian people.

    Evidently it’s impossible to satirise the Liberals anymore.

  193. MatrixTransform

    It’s gerrymandered.

    like in California having electoral 55 votes… and the total votes of all heavily populated blue states still don’t add up to enough bums on seats to swing it the way you prefer?

    you populist you

  194. candy

    Shut. It. Down.
    Fire. Them. All.

    A bit harsh. Why not just one free TV station with all the news and their emergency services and Q&A, and good kids’ programs. And the rest on subscription.
    I think they would still get their 10% Green Left audience as they seem to be monied folk.

  195. Infidel Tiger

    Early research found that 2019-nCoV targets the ACE2 receptor, which is found in East Asians at roughly five-times the rate of other global populations, indicating that the Wuhan Strain 2019-nCoV was likely developed as part of a gain-of-function defensive project possibly linked to immunotherapy or vaccinations – never meant to leave the lab, but meant to serve as a Red Team to fight back against, not as an offensive weapon since the virus is likely wired to be more virulent among Asian populations.

    I speculated on this at the beginning.

    Could be one of history’s greatest own goals. Chicoms release virus that only attacks Chicoms.

  196. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    As a result of streaming, with her six months of Geography, Big Sis can still find Afghanistan on the map while I struggle, and she knows where Peru is and can also tell you its capital. I have no idea of most geography which Hairy sees as a great deficit.

  197. Infidel Tiger

    One of the Australians on the cruise ship who tested positive showed no symptoms or ill effects.

    Weird shit is going on.

    China needs to be made a pariah state after this.

    No trade. No contact. A complete decoupling.

  198. Arky

    Could be one of history’s greatest own goals. Chicoms release virus that only attacks Chicoms.

    ..
    There is a cruise ship with around 300 cases that probably disproves this theory.
    Stick to predicting elections and admiring men’s legs.

  199. Leigh Lowe

    No. Because your entire schtick on here seems to be an underhand attempt at discrediting the site and I don’t trust you an inch with other’s details.

    Spot on.
    Like when VikPol received a letter postmarked Toowoomba trying to get “Brian of Moorabbin” fired for allegedly posting on the Cat using a VikPol computer.
    (The real offence was pointing out a few of Spud’s many failings).

  200. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Like when VikPol received a letter postmarked Toowoomba trying to get “Brian of Moorabbin” fired for allegedly posting on the Cat using a VikPol computer.

    Indeed.

  201. I speculated on this at the beginning.

    Could be one of history’s greatest own goals. Chicoms release virus that only attacks Chicoms.

    IF that is true, it won’t be long until the anglo only version is released.

  202. notafan

    Seems to me Boris is aiming to keep people out of prison for non payment of the licence fee.

    A subscription system would remove criminal charges for non payment.

    The BBC pursuing people to prison for their fees is a national disgrace.

    It also allowed the BBC to totally dominant the media by crowding out in a way that prevents those that might provide better and more desirable content.

    And that is clearly beyond their original remit.

    Which is where they parallel the ABC.

    As well as the ideological bias.

  203. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    from above link

    And in a predictable turn, both researchers have since deleted their profiles off of the ResearchGate site completely. Additionally, the trend in reporting from the Chinese government diverged sharply on February 11th, when the paper initially was uploaded onto the site – making it appear as there’s internal infighting within the Party about what their official story will be.

  204. MatrixTransform

    seriously?

    Junk Mail folder just got a email apparently from Department of Health re: Kung Flu.

    click here to download included of course

  205. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    One of the Australians on the cruise ship who tested positive showed no symptoms or ill effects.

    Weird shit is going on.

    weird indeed is that there are no follow infections here form 15 diseased chicoms. did they catch all the contacts? or are silent carriers walking amongst us?

  206. shatterzzz

    Elizabeth (lLizzie) Beare @ 11.25am on education
    I did all my high schooling (Grammar) in England (1958/64) and the general layout was much the same as you describe, other than we didn’t have a, dedicated, sports afternoons rather several independent periods a week for gym, swimming, outdoor sports.

  207. MatrixTransform

    they should send a SMS …

  208. notafan

    And it seems to me that the definition of subscription requires volunteeriness.

    And also no pay, no service.

    Just like Netflix.

    Which also means the BBC will have to work jolly hard to provide programming people want, not what the BBC decides is good for them.

    Revolutionary.

  209. notafan

    The research lab thing makes much sense.

    Wuhan has spent years playing with zoo whatever viruses from bats.

    Then one fine day someone got careless.

  210. Filbert

    Thanks to everyone except…

  211. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    There is a cruise ship with around 300 cases that probably disproves this theory.

    how many of those are severe?

  212. Arky

    weird indeed is that there are no follow infections here form 15 diseased chicoms. did they catch all the contacts? or are silent carriers walking amongst us?

    ..
    Either the tests aren’t administered properly, they aren’t testing the right people, or they are testing too soon in the progress and not following up OR there is something extremely weird going on whereby 15 people, that we know of, came into the country. Took various forms of transport, planes, taxis, buses, trains, went shopping, lived in close quarters with others, shared meals, etc etc etc, and none of them spread it to anyone else.
    I don’t believe it.

  213. Roger

    There is a cruise ship with around 300 cases that probably disproves this theory.

    Not necessarily; that ship is an incubator.

    The important data will be the severity of symptoms and the mortality rate.

    It could very well confirm what virologists have recently stated: the virus poses only a low to moderate risk for Europeans, but a very high risk for Han Chinese & Japanese.

  214. Roger

    Then one fine day someone got careless.

    And not for the first time, either.

    And the first reaction is not containment but cover-up.

  215. mh

    candy
    #3326080, posted on February 17, 2020 at 11:27 am
    Shut. It. Down.
    Fire. Them. All.

    A bit harsh. Why not just one free TV station with all the news and their emergency services and Q&A, and good kids’ programs. And the rest on subscription.
    I think they would still get their 10% Green Left audience as they seem to be monied folk
    .

    You want us to continue to fund Q&A ?

  216. Infidel Tiger

    If the Chicoms are developing racially targeted viruses we have no other choice but to nuke them.

    This is serious.

  217. lotocoti

    Then one fine day someone got careless.

    Any reported outbreaks amongst that troublesome ethno-religious minority?

  218. Infidel Tiger

    Any detected cases in Africa amongst the locals?

  219. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The severity of the Chinese government’s actual response to COVID-19 is a more reliable indicator than the disease’s publicly acknowledged tally. While admitting to just 17 deaths from the virus, the party quarantined a region of about 60 million people. This decision guaranteed multibillion-dollar economic losses.

    It is inconceivable that the Chinese government would wilfully suffer such a cost for the sake of a few dozen — or even a few hundred — lives.

    The party is generally insensitive to public health. Air pollution contributes to roughly 1.6 million deaths per year. About half the country’s water is too polluted to touch. Food poisoning is routine; infants have starved to death when their parents relied on counterfeit baby formula. Approximately a quarter-million people per year die in traffic accidents, partly because perverse incentives in tort law make it cheaper for a negligent driver to kill a pedestrian than to cripple one.

    In order for the party to have responded to COVID-19 this drastically, the death toll would first have had to exceed local officials’ capacity to cover it up, and then also convinced the nation’s top officials that it represents an existential threat.

  220. Tom

    I don’t believe it.

    Arky, if you work backwards from the premise was an escaped biological experiment, it all makes perfect sense.

    The Chinese Communist Party has a yuuuge vested interest in obfuscation.

  221. Shy Ted

    Even Numbers must have had his successes
    Frayed knot, Lizzie. This link is to Mt Isa State Special School over which TwoBob presided for some years. Page 2 and page last make for very sobering reading. It’s no reflection on the kids or TwoBob or any of the teachers in fact they do a very difficult job well but it’s about context. There are no educational outcomes anywhere near the average. None, not in any year. Later years show a PC move towards special certificates and the like for improvement among students but actual Year 12 certificates, none.
    Page 2 is revealing. The indigenous population of Mt Isa is c.25%. Indigenous kids at MISSS 82%!! Foetal alcohol syndrome, congenital syphilis, in utero and birth trauma and let’s not forget inbreeding where dad is also granddad. Add smoking, poor diet, brain damaged parents and you’ve got your intractable problem. Epidemics of solvent sniffing added to the tally with permanent brain damage in teenagers even got it’s own title – The Lost Generation. The Tom Calma’s and their ilk simply don’t understand the problem and thus you have Alice Springs youth and quite frankly it’s the same in every indigenous community there is. Sometimes the brain damage is absolutely apparent and sometimes it’s more subtle with poor concentration, memory, attention, behaviour, impulsivity and so on.
    So not every kid TwoBob taught went on to become an indigenous doctor as he likes to imply although these days I suspect a lot would be able to become PhD Drs. There are very few outcomes in this line.

  222. 1735099

    Like when Vicpol received a letter…

    Another Catallaxy fable which gets resurrected from time to time.
    Like most of the bullshit posted here, it didn’t happen.

  223. Stimpson J. Cat

    I have measured verbal IQ of 150.

    Yes but that’s a New Zealand 150 IQ.
    In Australia that equates to about a 75 IQ with a speech impediment.

  224. Roger

    Either the tests aren’t administered properly, they aren’t testing the right people, or they are testing too soon in the progress and not following up OR there is something extremely weird going on…

    That “weirdness” could be explained by the hypothesis that the virus was not engineered with a largely genetically European population in mind but to test (in the lab setting) an Asian population for immunological purposes. Then the virus got out of the lab…most likely accidentally.

  225. Filbert

    I’ve been going through some of Sniffy’s old Army records and came across his psych. evaluation.

  226. candy

    You want us to continue to fund Q&A ?

    Actually mh you’re right Q&A should be on the subscription list as that would attract the subscribers who are simpatico with that content.

    But I think high quality children’s shows should be non-subscription plus emergency services, news of course, a bit of current affairs, perhaps a quality game show, maybe a musical show.

    It could be switched off at say 11.00 pm.

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