Open Forum: February 15, 2020

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  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    Either the tests aren’t administered properly, they aren’t testing the right people, or they are testing too soon in the progress and not following up OR …

    The test kits seem to generate a lot of false results. Which is forgivable seeing the whole mess has only been going for a month or so. Better than nothing. Someone is doing triple shifts to produce the kits. Good on ’em.

  2. if you work backwards from the premise was an escaped biological experiment, it all makes perfect sense.

    + ∞

    Infect half a million people with a virus (knowing that they will die),
    send them off in aircraft to enemy countries, where the virus will wipe out the enemy population.
    After 6 or 12 months the virus dies off and you can safely send in the troops to wipe out the surviving enemies.
    The PRC losses in such a bio war would be half a million, which is nothing in the general scheme of things*.

    The only possible problem with such a scheme is if your carriers accidentally infect your own population.

    * remember the PRC strategy during the Korean war of sacrificing troops so that your enemy will eventually run out of ammunition.

  3. max

    Early research found that 2019-nCoV targets the ACE2 receptor, which is found in East Asians at roughly five-times the rate of other global populations, indicating that the Wuhan Strain 2019-nCoV was likely developed as part of a gain-of-function defensive project possibly linked to immunotherapy or vaccinations

    In plain English what is the ACE2 receptor ? And ‘a gain-of-function defensive project ? What is that ?

  4. Fisky

    We have to assume it’s a race-specific virus for East Asians. It doesn’t seem to have smashed the Turkic/Mongol groups in Xinjiang, or at least nothing has leaked out yet. Vietnam and Japan are copping it bad.

    So do you think they have a “white” virus in the works or no?

  5. mh

    candy
    #3326125, posted on February 17, 2020 at 12:19 pm
    You want us to continue to fund Q&A ?

    Actually mh you’re right Q&A should be on the subscription list as that would attract the subscribers who are simpatico with that content.

    But I think high quality children’s shows should be non-subscription plus emergency services, news of course, a bit of current affairs, perhaps a quality game show, maybe a musical show.

    It could be switched off at say 11.00 pm.

    Candy, the argument that the ABC is an emergency broadcaster is a weak one. I highlighted this last week during our floods.

  6. feelthebern

    And there I was thinking that numbers voluntarily gave us his name, rank, and serial number (and his two web sites, the title of his book, PayPal details, service experience, American travel stories etc).

    numbers attempt to down play doxing should be seen for what it is.
    A pre-emptive attempt to down play his pending doxing of several Cats.

  7. Dr Faustus

    In Your Life in Safe Hands news:

    World Health Organisation division tackling coronavirus underfunded and facing internal corruption allegations, audits reveal

    The World Health Organisation division leading the global response to the coronavirus outbreak is so chronically underfunded it has repeatedly been found to pose a “severe” and “unacceptable” level of hazard to the organisation, recent audits reveal.

    Unless I have it all wrong, this seems to be code for: ‘I am a Nigerian Prince in charge of saving the World, please send all your banking details and 100 points of ID with your donation…

  8. Arky

    In plain English what is the ACE2 receptor ?

    ..
    It’s an enzyme the body uses to build a hormone.

  9. mh

    I heard Alan Jones give out detailed info last week on both Qld and NSW floods, including the best web addresses for closed roads, etc.

    May as well call Alan an emergency broadcaster.

  10. feelthebern

    It’s an enzyme the body uses to build a hormone.

    Just kick it in the c…..

  11. Tailgunner

    hyperventilating weirdo who sells hot dogs

    Hehe, I love that guy!

  12. Old Lefty

    Why hadn’t I heard of this? Because he is RoP and a hard left hero?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8001649/amp/Oxford-University-professor-Tariq-Ramadan-appears-court.html?ico=amp_articleRelated

    If it were the Regius Professor of Divinity the media would be going full Milligan.

  13. areff

    the ABC is an emergency broadcaster is a weak one

    2009 bushfires royal commission specifically blasted the ABC for screwing the pooch.

    Late on Black Saturday, when Marysville was gone, the ABC was still reporting the town as safe. 3AW did a much, much better job of tracking the fires and issuing alerts. Why? Because instead of genuflecting before authority in the Carlton control room, where confusion prevailed, 3AW took constant calls from punters reporting in real time what was burning and where.

    The ABC reporter, the RC found, spent most of the day sitting beside a soft-drink machine on the wrong floor, waiting for officials to come upstairs and give her the latest news. They mostly didn’t and, when they did, it was mostly hours late.

  14. Tel:

    If you are talking about the police, I would say there’s some Gramsci infiltrators at reasonably high levels who are setting their priorities. I don’t believe individual coppers are making these decisions.

    Here’s the problem, Tel – the Gramscian Infiltrators have altered the system to the extent the coppers making it into the Force (and it doesn’t matter if they are Australian, NZ, or GB) are those who are malleable to the Gramsci culture or are of the ‘go along to get along’ mindset. That is the whole idea of entryism – you remake the culture by degrees.
    As for individual Police, I would bet there are many at the coalface who are uneasy at what is happening, but haven’t yet come to terms with their situation.
    Looking back at the videos of the high level copper directing – I forget her name – the lady who wanted to walk in Lakemba, or the arresting police in Tommy Robinsons house, or the unidentifiable policeman in Annies video, or the police response to the Rotherham Rapes, we cannot believe the sheepdog has not opted for the easy life.

  15. mh

    But I think high quality children’s shows should be non-subscription plus emergency services, news of course, a bit of current affairs, perhaps a quality game show, maybe a musical show.

    I watched an ABC Kids show about three weeks back. It’s about an all girl soccer team. I kid you not, it was that depressing at the end the ABC put out the number for Lifeline.

  16. feelthebern

    The ABC has a play book when ever it comes to funding.
    Whether they initiate it “we need more money” or elsewhere “don’t take money away from our ABC”.
    But they continue with their bloated pay-structure.
    & their refusal to stick to their charter.
    All the while cutting services that are needed & increasing the funds that go to fit their narrative/group think.
    Rinse.
    Repeat.

  17. Lizzie:

    Hairy calling me now to do the grave for the roast lamb which I have topped with Rosemary from my garden. Gravox here I come. And wipe that smirking smile of your faces, I know your type. 🙂

    I hope that was a typo, Lizzie.

  18. feelthebern

    There is zero reason why the HR/payroll/back office functions of the ABC & SBS can’t be merged.

  19. Bruce Of Newcastle:

    The coal dust tended to blow out the top of the unit all over me, I had melted pits all over my helmet.

    What was the reaction that created the apricots?

  20. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Polls show the BBC retains high approval ratings with more than 80 per cent of voters.

    So, no problems rounding up enough voluntary subscribers then.
    Unless the 80 % number is bullshit.

    Gee, I would’ve thought the Beeb’s approval among the punters was around 93.1%, just like the ALPBC’s approval rating locally.

  21. max

    It’s certain that the Chinese tried to spread the infection to Taiwan when they evacuated infected Taiwanese. The virus could easily have been intended for Taiwan from the beginning.

  22. Fisky

    Why hadn’t I heard of this? Because he is RoP and a hard left hero?

    This guy was WILDLY POPULAR at Larvatus Prodeo back in the day. He’s like the Waleed Aly of France.

  23. Fisky

    It’s certain that the Chinese tried to spread the infection to Taiwan when they evacuated infected Taiwanese. The virus could easily have been intended for Taiwan from the beginning.

    Or Hong Kong for that matter. You have to wonder.

  24. Fisky

    Anyway, the only way forward now is decoupling from the PRC. Comprehensive, Irreversible, Verifiable, Decoupling. There is no choice!

  25. feelthebern

    It’s certain that the Chinese tried to spread the infection to Taiwan when they evacuated infected Taiwanese

    Someone tell Alex Jones.
    Also someone buy some vitamins from his website.

  26. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’ve read the whole thing, Roger, re the Corona virus origin and mutation possibilities. I agree it is concerning that some level of experimental viral material may have entered this virus in vitro and now in situ. The If, How and Why is all entirely speculative at this stage. In retrospect, quite normal publications and team work can sometimes be seen post hoc to be leading somewhere that they weren’t when they were published; conspiracies are legion in situations such as the current Corona drama. The HIV component has been scotched elsewhere, but of course everyone has some barrow to push in this long haul. The T4 cell some report in Covid-2019, a feature of HIV/AIDS, is possibly not related and simply a feature of the viral load.

    I’ve chased through that very compelling statement about East Asians having a greater amount of ACE2 receptors as it was just baldly stated with no reference in the piece, and I think I have found the source for that statement. It is in a medical comment as yet unpublished or peer reviewed coming out of a Shanghai hospital and refers to samples taken from only 8 people, all men, no ages or other details given, except that one of them, the only East Asian, did have highly elevated enzyme ACE2 counts in one area of his alveoli only compared to the others (whom we know nothing else about). So the ‘sample’ is not really a sample at all, and the ‘result’ is meaningless in context. Here’s the abstract of the study which won’t pass peer review I am sure:

    2019-nCov was reported to share the same receptor, Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), with SARS-Cov. Here based on the public database and the state-of-the-art single-cell RNA-Seq technique, we analyzed the ACE2 RNA expression profile in the normal human lungs. The result indicates that the ACE2 virus receptor expression is concentrated in a small population of type II alveolar cells (AT2). Surprisingly, we found that this population of ACE2-expressing AT2 also highly expressed many
    other genes that positively regulating viral reproduction and transmission. A comparison between eight individual samples demonstrated that the Asian male one has an extremely large number of ACE2-expressing cells in the lung. This study provides a biological background for the epidemic investigation of
    the 2019-nCov infection disease, and could be informative for future anti-ACE2 therapeutic strategy development.

    There is also elsewhere some commenting that with SARS East Asians seemed more susceptible than others races to fatal outcomes, although again these were medical worker comments not full epidemiological studies. The public commenting underneath any of these sorts of suggestions showed a hostility to claims made on the basis of race (even though we do know that certain diseases and chronic conditions present differentially according to race). A hot potato in the current context, obviously.

    There is also elsewhere some commenting that with SARS East Asians seemed more susceptible than others races to fatal outcomes, although again these were medical worker comments not full epidemiological studies. The public commenting underneath any of these sorts of suggestions showed a hostility to claims made on the basis of race (even though we do know that certain diseases and chronic conditions present differentially according to race). A hot potato in the current context, obviously.

  27. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Communications minister Paul Fletcher has rushed to reassure ALPBC staff that the Morrison government will not be copying Boris Johnson’s reforms to the BBC.

    While the above may indeed be satire, I wouldn’t have been at all surprised if it wasn’t.

  28. Arky

    Anyway, the only way forward now is decoupling from the PRC. Comprehensive, Irreversible, Verifiable, Decoupling. There is no choice!

    ..
    That isn’t the way this works.
    After AIDS did we “decouple” from promiscuity?
    After 9/ 11 did we ‘decouple” from the middle east?
    Nope. It was the exact opposite.
    These events accelerated progress in the opposite direction you might expect.
    We live in opposite land. The opposite will occur and china’s hegemony over the region is now assured.
    This is driven in part by the progressive agenda to find and promote anything that upsets the “squares” and hurts the West.
    You can bet your ass this virus just focussed many, many minds on China. progressive minds.

  29. Digger

    If the Chicoms are developing racially targeted viruses we have no other choice but to nuke them.

    This is serious.

    With every weapon that can be fired in one salvo…. 1 billion or so less might send a strong enough message… and it’s all over in one day.

  30. There is no choice!

    Yes there is.
    We could choose to become a vassal state of the PRC.

    Like Viktoristan.

  31. Bruce of Newcastle

    What was the reaction that created the apricots?

    Winton – That’s Arky not me. If I ever had a sniff of an apricot in my yard it would vanish instantaneously into a horde of beaks.

  32. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sorry for the repeat paragraph. I am having trouble moving up and down in the comment box, the whole thing blocks on me. I have to copy from the spread below and repaste where I can. Very annoying.

  33. Geriatric Mayfly

    And yet another of the ABC’s pathological pursuits will get a run tonight. A twofer in fact. Catholics once again, and this time toxic white male adolescents. Funny thing is, that there was never anything but shameless tire pumping for that Voller chap, despite his reputation. His tribulations brought out the best in high displeasure from the po-faced Mrs Jones.

  34. Bruce of Newcastle

    There is zero reason why the HR/payroll/back office functions of the ABC & SBS can’t be merged.

    There would have to be special software to convert between Reichsmarks and lira.

  35. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    While the above may indeed be satire, I wouldn’t have been at all surprised if it wasn’t.

    Seems real enough to me, Monkfish. I expect nothing less. 😀

  36. mh

    Good article up on Breitbart

    Pinkerton: ‘The New Class War’ Exposes the Oligarchs and Their Enablers

  37. areff

    Good work, Lizzie, much appreciated by fifth-form science dropouts, who can absorb only enough to be confused.

    let’s look on the bright side, ignoring the virus’ origins:

    1/ this must surely prompt those who have made China their factories to look elsewhere and, ideally, relocate

    2/ Fewer princelings’ children in Australian universities might encourage a return to learning, rather than lowering standards to suck up their fees.

    3/ The populations’ loss of faith in Xi & Co; perhaps even their overthrow

    Worth remembering that the Black Death launched all sorts of positives in post-plague Europe. History has a tendency to repeat

  38. mh

    Someone tell Alex Jones.
    Also someone buy some vitamins from his website.

    Which supplements do you recommend?

  39. John64

    The ABC has a play book when ever it comes to funding. Whether they initiate it “we need more money” or elsewhere “don’t take money away from our ABC”. But they continue with their bloated pay-structure & their refusal to stick to their charter. All the while cutting services that are needed & increasing the funds that go to fit their narrative/group think.
    Rinse.
    Repeat.

    And on the very rare occasions when it appears that the Government just might be serious about clipping TheirABC’s budget; wheel out B1, B2 and Peppa Pig and threaten them with execution.

  40. Arky

    1/ this must surely prompt those who have made China their factories to look elsewhere and, ideally, relocate

    ..
    Expect western countries to begin actively encouraging firms to return to China, under the guise of a humanitarian crisis.

  41. Arky

    2/ Fewer princelings’ children in Australian universities might encourage a return to learning, rather than lowering standards to suck up their fees.

    ..
    Expect a huge boost in numbers of Chinese students under the guise of combating racism.

  42. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I think to be fair a lot of the claimed PRC deliberate ‘exporting’ of the virus is bunkum. They were hit with a new virus and at the normal level of administrative decision making (not at the level of CCP in-the-know) decisions had to be made with very little information concerning infectivity, Ro and outcomes.

    Anyway, as Hairy is fond of saying, a stuff-up is usually a far better explanation than a conspiracy for most things.

  43. Arky

    3/ The populations’ loss of faith in Xi & Co; perhaps even their overthrow

    ..
    Expect increased international support for the regime under the guise of it being in our self interest there be “stability”.

  44. Roger

    The populations’ loss of faith in Xi & Co; perhaps even their overthrow

    Xi yes; & Co. perhaps not so much, What is there to take their place? I think a coup from within the CCP is more likely than a popular revolt, with unrest among the people provoking a “a good government has lost its way” moment, Chinese style.

  45. Roger

    I think to be fair a lot of the claimed PRC deliberate ‘exporting’ of the virus is bunkum.

    It makes no sense. An accidental leak by a careless scientist or two? Much more likely.

  46. feelthebern

    The populations’ loss of faith in Xi & Co; perhaps even their overthrow

    I can clearly see your nuts.

  47. 8th Dan

    I have measured verbal IQ of 150.

    Yes but that’s a New Zealand 150 IQ.
    In Australia that equates to about a 75 IQ with a speech impediment.

    LOL

  48. areff

    Depress me, comrades, go right ahead. My usual optimism … deflating.

  49. PRC deliberate ‘exporting’ of the virus

    How about malevolence AND a stuff up?

  50. Arky

    In short, after this thing stabilises, expect a new and accelerating push to de-industrialise the West and boost China, with these key words prominent: humanitarian crisis, racism and stability.

  51. areff

    I can clearly see your nuts.

    Even allowing for the baggy board shorts in which my loins are this moment draped, your visual perception is remarkable.

  52. feelthebern

    areff, you’ve heard the one about the crazy person who goes to his doctor wrapped in gladwrap?

  53. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    we do know that certain diseases and chronic conditions present differentially according to race

    Clearly it is important to find out if people carrying East Asian genes (by no means all of whom are found in East Asia) are more likely to be more susceptible to SARS-CoV-2019, even if they do turn out to have more ACE2 cells or enzyme production, and should they be shown to have poorer outcomes or even a greater capacity for viral load and shedding regardless of outcome (thus entailing answers to a number of different related questions).

  54. All you have to do, is just push this big red button here,
    oops …

  55. Infidel Tiger

    Lizzie you can’t even make gravy and yet you are an expert on viruses and immunology?

    What a world!

  56. Confused Old Misfit

    February 17, 2020

    (Reuters) – General Motors Co is retreating from more markets outside of the United States and China, saying on Sunday that it will wind down sales, design and engineering operations in Australia and New Zealand and retire the Holden brand by 2021.

  57. Arky

    LOL

    ..
    Fuck off Grigs.

    ..
    When I told you years ago that you should return to the blog under a different name, I forgot to add “… and then don’t act like a menopausal serial killer”.

  58. Bruce of Newcastle

    Xi may be discredited enough to be knocked off, but the regime is immune.
    The Norks show how she is done.
    Speaking of Norks:

    North Korea’s Kim makes first public appearance in 22 days amid virus outbreak (16 Feb)

    SEOUL (Reuters) – North Korean leader Kim Jong Un made his first public appearance in 22 days amid an outbreak of coronavirus, state media reported on Saturday, to visit a national mausoleum and mark the anniversary of the late leader Kim Jong Il’s birth.

    That’s in contrast with last week.

    N. Korea marks army anniv. without military parade amid virus woes (8 Feb)

    BEIJING (Kyodo) — North Korea on Saturday marked the 72nd anniversary of the founding of its army, amid wide-ranging efforts by the country to prevent the spread of a new pneumonia-causing coronavirus raging in neighbor China.

    On the anniversary in 2018, North Korea staged a military parade in Pyongyang at which it displayed what appeared to be intercontinental ballistic missiles including its Hwasong-15, seen as capable of carrying a nuclear warhead to anywhere on the U.S. mainland.

    This year, North Korea’s state-run media did not report that Pyongyang conducted such a parade in a break from past years.

    So the outbreak in Norkistan seems to be pretty bad. That is on top of abysmal harvests. Yet Mr Kim will probably thrive despite the terrible misery the poor people are suffering.

  59. feelthebern

    Any Cats walking through Martin Place today should keep clear of the breast inspector.
    Pretty sure his certification has lapsed.

  60. Mother Lode

    Xi yes; & Co. perhaps not so much, What is there to take their place? I think a coup from within the CCP is more likely than a popular revolt

    It takes time to stir people to revolt, and they are none too keen to imperil what they have.

    Long before then someone in the government will come out and declare that they have the welfare of the people in their heart.

    A palace coup.

    I should like to see a show trial with Winnie the Pooh.

  61. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    CoV

    You left off “fefe”.

  62. Fisky

    Xi yes; & Co. perhaps not so much, What is there to take their place? I think a coup from within the CCP is more likely than a popular revolt, with unrest among the people provoking a “a good government has lost its way” moment, Chinese style.

    I don’t think a popular revolt is likely at all. It is entirely possible that Xi could be removed by the military, but that would take a series of cataclysmic events requiring the PLA to deploy its manpower to keep the country running, which would also create the rationale for removing Xi. But I don’t see that as most likely either.

    I think they’ll lose another 2-4 weeks of production, which will create a lot of pent up rage that the CCP can redirect by executing a LOT of (ex-)officials in Wuhan. I think Xi is already preparing the case for this by putting out something in the media claiming that he “ordered” serious measures against the virus on January 7 (which he’ll allege were ignored by Wuhan officials).

  63. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    A text from the MRC this morning:

    Hi Spurgeon, If you’ve not yet booked for our events with Tony Abbott in Sydney and Castle Hill this week there’s still time! Mr Abbott will sign copies of his new book and reflect on his career as PM.

    They have got to be kidding.

  64. Fisky

    Oh yes, and I nearly forgot. Q1 GDP will come in at 5.9%!

  65. Bruce of Newcastle

    Lizzie you can’t even make gravy and yet you are an expert on viruses and immunology?

    Infi, I suspect that’s a widely held trait among experts of viruses and immunology.
    I admit my ability in that field is also somewhat lacking.
    But I can dissolve any rock you want to give me.

  66. feelthebern

    Mr Abbott will sign copies of his new book and reflect on his career as PM.

    Make sure you get a photo with him.
    If you put your arm around him, you’ll feel that his body is made out of tempered steel.

  67. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Reason and logic are what we need to apply now to this epidemic. They are the basic tools of epidemiology, just as they are the foundations of all science, and especially, in a word from Hairy, for computer science.

    I guess I am attracted to men of logic. Lefty was a logician too.
    But I also think poets are nice. And men who are good with words, like Arky. 😀

  68. Shy Ted

    She (resting contentedly in his arms): Am I the only one?
    He (adhering to Matty’ principles): Yes. The others were nines and tens.

  69. BorisG

    Anyway, as Hairy is fond of saying, a stuff-up is usually a far better explanation than a conspiracy for most things.

    Gold!

    Not for many cats though.

  70. Fisky

    In short, after this thing stabilises, expect a new and accelerating push to de-industrialise the West and boost China, with these key words prominent: humanitarian crisis, racism and stability.

    Ha ha! Of course, that’s going to happen. In fact, there will even be a movement to SUBSIDISE factories to relocated to China. “Libertarians” will support this push on the grounds of “efficiency” or something.

  71. bespoke

    I have measured verbal IQ of 150.

    Yes but that’s a New Zealand 150 IQ.
    In Australia that equates to about a 75 IQ with a speech impediment.

    LOL+1

  72. feelthebern

    areff, that’s where the clearly see your nuts line comes from.

    Along the same line as, rectum ? damn near killed ’em!

  73. notafan

    Generic differences between Asians and everyone else are miniscule.

    Why not the obvious, general proximity, hygiene standards, eating habits and crap medical care?

    My Chinese friend thinks people being frogmarched into quarantine went kicking and scream because they were being given a likely death warrant.

    You really think the Chinese care about the individual?

    That’s the antithesis of communism.

  74. Shy Ted

    CoV You left off “fefe”. My conspiracy theory website always said there was something hidden in DJT’ use of the word covfefe. I’ll try and dig it up. Now if we can only work out what fefe means. All I’ve got is iron iron so far.

  75. bespoke

    And men who are good with words, like Arky

    LOL

  76. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    A comparison between eight individual samples demonstrated that the Asian male one has an extremely large number of ACE2-expressing cells in the lung.

    there’s a study that smokers have a higher prevalence of ACE2 receptors. given how many chicoms smoke…

    Tobacco-Use Disparity in Gene Expression of ACE2, the Receptor of 2019-nCov
    In current severe global emergency situation of 2019-nCov outbreak, it is imperative to identify vulnerable and susceptible groups for effective protection and care. Recently, studies found that 2019-nCov and SARS-nCov share the same receptor, ACE2. In this study, we analyzed four large-scale datasets of normal lung tissue to investigate the disparities related to race, age, gender and smoking status in ACE2 gene expression. No significant disparities in ACE2 gene expression were found between racial groups (Asian vs Caucasian), age groups (>60 vs <60) or gender groups (male vs female). However, we observed significantly higher ACE2 gene expression in smoker samples compared to non-smoker samples. This indicates the smokers may be more susceptible to 2019-nCov and thus smoking history should be considered in identifying susceptible population and standardizing treatment regimen.

  77. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Reason and logic are what we need to apply now to this epidemic.

    There I was thinking that hysteria and bullshit had served us perfectly well up to this point.

  78. Even Numbers must have had his successes

    Let’s have some fun with this.

    Frayed knot, Lizzie. This link is to Mt Isa State Special School over which TwoBob presided for some years.

    I never “presided over” Mt Isa Special School.
    I wrote a report which recommended that it not be closed.

    Page 2 and page last make for very sobering reading. It’s no reflection on the kids or TwoBob or any of the teachers in fact they do a very difficult job well but it’s about context.

    What a surprise!
    To be enrolled in a Special School in Queensland, a student must have an Ascertainment level of 6, which in layman’s terms means that belong to the 3%-5% of the population with severe and multiple impairments, one of which must be severe intellectual impairment.
    Old mate thinks that there is no link between educational performance on tests standardised on comparison of outcomes against the normal population and the performance of students with intellectual impairment.
    That is, after all, what NAPALM, sorry NAPLAN, is.

    The indigenous population of Mt Isa is c.25%. Indigenous kids at MISSS 82%!! Foetal alcohol syndrome, congenital syphilis, in utero and birth trauma and let’s not forget inbreeding where dad is also granddad. Add smoking, poor diet, brain damaged parents and you’ve got your intractable problem. Epidemics of solvent sniffing added to the tally with permanent brain damage in teenagers even got it’s own title – The Lost Generation. The Tom Calma’s and their ilk simply don’t understand the problem and thus you have Alice Springs youth and quite frankly it’s the same in every indigenous community there is. Sometimes the brain damage is absolutely apparent and sometimes it’s more subtle with poor concentration, memory, attention, behaviour, impulsivity and so on.

    And?
    The results of colonial dispossession, “dispersal” (as it was called), forced removal from tribal lands, european disease which the Kalkadoon and Mitakoodi had no resistance against, and a number of well documented massacres, is somehow the consequence of education policy?
    There’s a term for that.
    It’s called victim blaming.

    So not every kid TwoBob taught went on to become an indigenous doctor as he likes to imply although these days I suspect a lot would be able to become PhD Drs. There are very few outcomes in this line.

    I didn’t “teach” in the North Western Region.
    I was, however, responsible for the implementation of some NATSIEP programmes which did indeed result in indigenous kids becoming doctors.

    teachers in fact they do a very difficult job well but it’s about context.

    That’s about the only part of this post that’s not bullshit. The success of these kids is a consequence of good teaching, and sustained hard yakka on the part of these kids, who overcame the barriers which old mate has comprehensively listed above.

    It’s beginning to show in one of the two “Closing the Gap” measures that is working* –
    “In 2018–19, around 66 per cent of Indigenous Australians aged 20–24 years had attained Year 12 or equivalent.
    Between 2008 and 2018–19, the proportion of Indigenous Australians aged 20–24 years attaining Year 12 or equivalent increased by around 21 percentage points. The gap has narrowed by around 15 percentage points, as non-Indigenous attainment rates have improved at a slower pace”.
    *Closing The Gap Report 2020 – YEAR 12 ATTAINMENT

  79. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    All I’ve got is iron iron so far.

    Nice one.

  80. notafan

    What conspiracy?

    Most like

    Chinese stuffed up despite being the cleverest bestus civilization in the whole world for ever.

    And now they are trying to cover it up..

  81. Infidel Tiger

    Once again we see the foolish westerner assigning the same morals to his enemy as he himself holds.

  82. mh

    Is someone going to post Paul Kelly – How to make gravy.

  83. EvilElvis

    Regarding the BBC potentially going to a subscription model supposedly to make it a voluntary contribution. Why not just legislate the new rules to do with the *stars*outside profiteering, drop the license fee to £20 and make it non-compulsory?

  84. Fisky

    In the West we often make the mistake of viewing East Asian communist leaders as kind of like the Eastern European commies, but actually it’s not the same at all. The E.Euro CPs NEVER succeeded in generating popular or nationalist enthusiasm for their regimes because they were rightly viewed as an imposition from Moscow. They had no popular base of support, and once Moscow signalled it was removing their protection blanket in 1989, they toppled like dominos.

    The East Asian regimes (particularly N.K and PRC) were always seen as more legitimate by locals, and have been able to fuse race-based nationalism with party loyalty. This has been very explicit in the case of N.K. but more of an undertone in the PRC. Having said that, the PRC is moving more in a racialist direction too. This is going to be much more difficult to reform (or remove), even through economic crises.

  85. Once again we see the foolish westerner assigning the same morals to his enemy as he himself holds.

    eggzactly

  86. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    But I also think poets are nice.

    Then you wouldn’t have forgotten that cranky scottish pensioner Alan, who used to post poetry inspired by the Vogons and Beta O’Rourke.

  87. bespoke

    Chinese stuffed up despite being the cleverest bestus civilization in the whole world for ever.

    Thanks this is how it’s done with out the unnecessary word wall padding.

  88. notafan

    Closing the gap.

    More city dwellers a million miles away from ‘tradtional ‘ lifestyles in places like Roebourne are identifying as Aboriginal and skewing the stats.

    We read the article about the beautiful air-conditioned remote school which averaged less than 50% attendance on any given day.

    Not to mention that Aboriginal children are not expected to achieve at the same standard as others.

    I shall always remember the 1/16th lass telling me she didn’t havet o worry about her VCE score too much she had a spot in Melbourne Law iirc as long as she got an Atar of 75.

    Nice work if you can get it.

  89. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    General Motors to axe Holden in Australia and New Zealand
    AAP
    February 17, 2020 10:17AM
    Topics
    Australia
    Manufacturing

    The Holden car brand will be no more, with General Motors opting to dump the name synonymous with Australian motoring by 2021.

    After closing the company’s local manufacturing operations in 2017, GM has taken the “difficult” decision to retire the brand from sales in both Australia and New Zealand.

    “After comprehensive assessment, we regret that we could not prioritise the investment required for Holden to be successful for the long term in Australia and New Zealand, over all other considerations we have globally,” GM International Operations Senior Vice President Julian Blissett said on Monday.

  90. vlad

    General Motors are pulling the plug on Holden at the end of this year.

    No more (new) Holdens in Australia.

    Well, well.

  91. notafan

    Because a license fee by its nature is compulsory.?

    Seems to me the whole thing has to move away from a legislative /taxation framework.

  92. vlad

    I shall always remember the 1/16th lass telling me she didn’t havet o worry about her VCE score too much she had a spot in Melbourne Law iirc as long as she got an Atar of 75.

    She would have had a wake-up call once she got in.

  93. Arky

    After comprehensive assessment, we regret that we could not prioritise the investment required for Holden to be successful for the long term in Australia and New Zealand, over all other considerations we have globally,” GM International Operations Senior Vice President Julian Blissett said on Monday.

    ..
    Thanks for eight decades of making five year old cars on used tooling and selling them as the latest model, sucking up to unions and government and destroying any opportunity we had of a home grown automotive industry, you fuckhead.

  94. Crossie:

    They went there without our help, they can get out without our help.

    Many of them went despite our efforts warning them of the consequences.
    Tough shit, girls.
    Your actions had consequences.

  95. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Snap, Zulu.

    Great minds, Vlad.

  96. Fisky

    It used to be said that the basic compact between the CCP and PRC citizens was giving up liberties in exchange for GDP. This seems to be moving subtly towards racial nationalism, perhaps reflecting their worsening economic prospects, which we are seeing in a few recent measures:
    -the destruction of “non-Chinese” religious places of worship (churches, mosques and Jewish temples), and a growing official preference for Buddhism and ancestor worship
    -the downgrading of the Hui Muslims from a “patriotic” and recognised minority group to something alien and suspect
    -the open propagation of Han values in XJ and the forced assimilation of Uyghur women into male Han families

    I have a feeling we will also see the PRC seeking to crack down on the use of minority languages seen as “subversive”, especially Cantonese. They have already been doing this in XJ.

  97. JC

    You know, Cadillac and Lincoln have some pretty decent models these days. I wonder if we see any of those. Those brands would sell well here I think.

  98. In keeping with the context of my last post, here is the list of recorded Queensland massacres of indigenous people.
    Note that these were recorded.
    Many weren’t.
    The Battle Mountain incident I referred to above is bolded.
    The layout is messy.
    So, no doubt, were the killings…….

    The following list of massacres is not exhaustive, and gives details of only some of the major
    recorded massacres perpetrated against Aboriginal people, and by Aboriginal people in
    Queensland:
    1831: Up to twenty Ngugi people were killed at Moorgumpin (Moreton Island) by the British
    military in retaliation for acts of aggression.
    July 1831 to Dec 1832: The conflict and violent incidents between Ngugi and Nunukul
    people of the Moreton Bay islands and soldiers escalated. This was the highest point of
    racial conflict in the convict era.
    1842: At Kilcoy in South-East
    Queensland, frightened shepherds from
    Kilcoy Creek fled their outstation and left
    poisoned flour behind. Around sixty
    Giggarbarah and Woogunbarah people
    died as a result.
    1842–52: Aboriginal–settler violence
    became constant in the face of a push
    by settlers for permanent pastoral
    occupancy in the Maranoa district, an
    era known as the Mandandanji Land
    War. The Native Police waged a bloody
    campaign to supress Aboriginal
    resistance in the late 1840s in areas
    around present-day Goondiwindi,
    Condamine, Miles, Roma, Mitchell, Surat, and St George.
    1843: Yuggera people, led by Multuggerah, waged a successful guerrilla campaign to stop
    pastoralists’ supplies getting through to the Darling Downs. There was an ambush of loaded
    drays in the shadows of Mt Davidson, known as the Battle of One Tree Hill. In reprisal for the
    Battle of One Tree Hill, squatters hunted, harried, and shot many Yuggera people.
    1846: The New South Wales Select Committee on Aborigines estimated that at least three
    hundred Aboriginal people and fifty Europeans had been killed on the Moreton Bay frontier
    by 1846.
    1847: Fifty to sixty Kabi Kabi (Gubbi Gubbi) people at Whiteside Station in the Pine Rivers
    District of South-East Queensland were poisoned with arsenic.
    Attack on a shepherd’s hut 1860s
    By Samuel Calvert. Photo from National Library of Australia,
    obj-135904910.
    – 9 –
    2017, updated 25 July 2018
    1847: A settler shot a ‘native boy’ which outraged the Bigambul people. The settler’s son
    was killed in retaliation, and this led to a year-long reign of terror by the settler, fellow
    landowners, and stockmen, in which at least forty-seven Aboriginal people died in a series of
    attacks around the future Goondiwindi area.
    1849: Fourteen Native Police, led by Captain Walker, attacked ‘a large tribe’ on the Severn
    (now Dumeresq) River and it was reported that the troopers were so excited that Walker
    could not control them. During that year Aboriginal resistance was ruthlessly put down by the
    troopers at Carbucky Station, and on the Condamine near Surat.
    1849–50: At Gin Gin, south of Bundaberg, two white shepherds were speared by Taribelang
    Bunda men, and the white settler, Gregory Blaxland, (son of the explorer Blaxland)
    organised a punitive party in which ‘scores of blacks’ were killed at The Cedars. The
    Taribelang people responded by abducting and killing Blaxland. Another punitive party was
    organised with squatters and station hands taking part, and the Taribelang were found near
    the mouth of the Burnett River on Paddy’s Island where a large-scale massacre occurred.
    Though numbers are disputed, it appears that hundreds were killed.
    1851–52: Native Police engaged in ‘hunting expeditions’ over the Christmas period, with the
    biggest massacre of Butchulla people occurring at Indian Head on K’gari (Fraser Island).
    1855: Kabi Kabi warrior, Dundalli, was hanged at a public execution outside what is now
    Brisbane’s General Post Office (GPO) on 5 January 1855 following a trial relating to the
    retaliatory killings of settlers allegedly involved in the 1842 poisoning of Aboriginal people at
    Kilcoy and Whiteside Stations.
    1857: At Hornet Bank station near Taroom, members of the Fraser family were killed in
    retaliation for the alleged sexual abuse of Jiman women and girls, and for deaths caused by
    poisoned Christmas pudding the previous year.
    1857: Mass killings of Aboriginal people by Native Police and white posses in retaliation for
    the killing of settlers at Hornet Bank took place. The posses, who acted independently, shot
    upwards of fifty Aboriginal men,
    women, and children, and the
    Native Police over seventy
    people.
    1861: Nineteen settlers and
    members of the Wills family at
    Cullin-la-Ringo station, near
    Emerald in Central Queensland,
    were killed as retaliation for the
    shooting of local Gayiri people
    by a station manager and
    Native Police.
    1861: Native Police and settlers
    engaged in a massive
    retribution for Cullin-la-Ringo,
    killing between three hundred
    The Wills Tragedy, 1861
    Painting by T.G. Moyle depicting the aftermath of the Cullin-La-Ringo
    killings, held by State Library of Queensland. [Public domain], via
    Wikimedia Commons.
    – 10 –
    2017, updated 25 July 2018
    and three hundred and seventy Aboriginal people in the Medway Ranges in the Central
    Highlands.
    1862: Korah Wills, the future mayor of Bowen and Mackay, wrote in his memoir of this time
    of ‘dispersing missions’ in which ‘hundreds if not thousands’ of Aboriginal people were killed.
    1865: Seven or eight Woppaburra people on Keppel Island (off the coast near Yeppoon)
    were shot by Native Police.
    1874: Native Police conducted a massive reprisal at Skull Camp for the murder of a German
    miner, his wife, and daughter in the Palmer River area.
    1878: The Kalkadoon resisted the invasion of their lands by pastoralists and miners, and
    attempted to keep out settlers who violated their sacred places and claimed their waterholes.
    They offered resistance by ambushing carts, and killed four cattlemen at Woonamo
    Waterhole on Suliemen Creek, near the future Dajarra.
    1879: A massacre of Guugu-Yimithirr people (who had earlier assisted Cook and Banks)
    took place at Cape Bedford. Native Police and their superintendent hemmed twenty-eight
    Aboriginal men and thirteen women in a narrow gorge; none of them escaped. Four swam
    out to sea, and never returned, and it is thought that they drowned.
    1884: The war between the Kalkadoon
    people and the settlers was ongoing and
    culminated in a last stand against an
    expeditionary force led by Sub-Inspector
    Urqhart of the Native Police in September
    1884. On a rocky hill near Prospectors
    Creek, Kalkadoon warriors hurled
    missiles at the Native Police and then
    levelled their spears and charged, before
    dying in a hail of rifle fire. The area was
    later named Battle Mountain. A memorial
    to the Kalkadoon people killed at Battle
    Mountain was officially opened at Kajabbi
    by Charles Perkins and Kalkadoon elder,
    George Thorpe, in 1984*.

    1884: Skull Pocket, near present day Yungaburra, is said to be the site of a raid and largescale massacre of Idindji (Yidinydji) people, including children, by native police.
    1886: A massacre of Malanbarra Yidinydji people while participating at a significant
    ceremony at a corroboree ground in the Mulgrave River district was recorded in the diary of
    the prospector Christie Palmerston, as well as in Black oral history collections.
    1890: The Speewah massacre by Native troopers of Djabugay people who lived in the
    present-day Kuranda region (Ngunbay) took place.
    1918: Kaiadilt people were massacred on Bentinck Island (Mornington Island), though this
    event was not acknowledged until the 1980s. From oral sources, Norman Tindale compiled a
    detailed genealogy in which he estimated that about eleven people were killed.

    *A monument to this massacre was opened in 1988 as a bicentennial project. It was vandalised twice with dynamite during the period (1991 – 1996) when I lived and worked in Mt Isa.

  99. Doc BeauGan:

    I think you use words the way lefties do. As emotional levers rather than with precise meanings. It gives me doubts about your integrity.

    Yes.
    It seems to me that Boris is just another shifty bastard flying under false colours.

  100. Eyrie

    My mechanic mate advised me to steer well clear of anything with a GM, Ford or any Korean badges on it.

  101. notafan

    I don’t know Vlad

    I think they get nursed through their degrees as well.

    Else why would universities ask for details?

  102. notafan

    Yeap.
    More repeats than the ABC

  103. Doc BeauGan;

    DBG, jailing people for their political beliefs is wrong.

    They aren’t being gaoled for their beliefs – they are being gaoled for their actions. This is why you seem to me to be just another shifty bastard with a glib tongue.

  104. jo

    vlad
    #3326265, posted on February 17, 2020 at 1:58 pm

    I shall always remember the 1/16th lass telling me she didn’t havet o worry about her VCE score too much she had a spot in Melbourne Law iirc as long as she got an Atar of 75.

    She would have had a wake-up call once she got in.

    Son’s aboriginal mate was offered higher marks if he claimed his heritage. No thanks, a Finals A will do. He was so pissed off.

  105. Mater

    My mechanic mate advised me to steer well clear of anything with a GM, Ford or any Korean badges on it.

    Eyrie, it takes supreme confidence in your product to put a Seven Year, Unlimited Kilometre warranty on it.
    Just saying.

  106. mh

    The Holden car brand will be no more, with General Motors opting to dump the name synonymous with Australian motoring by 2021.

    I’m turning Japanese, I think I’m turning Japanese, I really think so
    Turning Japanese, I think I’m turning Japanese, I really think so

  107. cohenite

    Troll vomit:

    Nobody has been killed by preventing burnoffs.
    That is a red herring created by the Right wing of the National Party, because they’re petrified by the coal lobby.
    No Green holds power in any jurisdiction, (local government or state government) where fires have killed people.
    Nobody has “stolen” property.
    The by-laws are not the product of Green legislation.

    Everyone of these are lies; palpable lies; typical left lies. This is what the troll does, get on here and lies. What a creep. What a disgusting lying creep.

  108. Keith Forwheels

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3326260, posted on February 17, 2020 at 1:55 pm

    And just like that…. Australian icon dies without even a whimper, let alone a roar. No one under the age of 40 cares. Not instagrammable.

  109. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    China is in the midst of a lung cancer epidemic on an unprecedented scale. In 2015, there were an estimated 733,000 new lung cancer cases (17% of total cancer incidence) and 610,000 deaths (21.7% of total cancer mortality) in China. Lung cancer is the most commonly diagnosed cancer and the leading cause of cancer mortality in China. Tobacco smoke exposure is the primary factor driving current lung cancer trends. In 2015, smoking prevalence was 27.7% (52.1% among men and 2.7% among women).

  110. Keith Forwheels

    And just like that…. Australian icon dies without even a whimper, let alone a roar. No one under the age of 40 cares. Not instagrammable.

    Apologies to any cats under 40, who may in fact care. The exceptions who prove the rule. Gunner?

  111. Arky

    The last half decent Holden.
    After that, they were just Opels with a shit V6.
    ..


  112. Keith Forwheels

    Arky
    #3326290, posted on February 17, 2020 at 2:23 pm

    HQ Monaro was always a dream of mine

  113. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    China has tightened restrictions on movement in Hubei province as it continues to battle the coronavirus.

    Sixty-million people have been told to stay at home unless there is an emergency, and the use of private cars has been banned indefinitely.

  114. old bloke

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3325843, posted on February 17, 2020 at 6:41 am

    Thank you Cassie for that informative update, much appreciated.

  115. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I think this virus is probably with us beyond this season, beyond this year, and I think eventually the virus will find a foothold and we’ll get community based transmission and you can start to think about it like seasonal flu. The only difference is we don’t understand this virus
    Dr. Robert Redfield
    Director, CDC
    US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

  116. Steve trickler

    This brings backs some memories.

    A fine tribute to Robert Miles.



  117. Arky

    I grew up with one of these.
    Earliest memory is standing on the seat aged around two and gnawing on the metal dash while Dad drove:
    ..


  118. Arky

    I think the FB must have been made with modified Bel Aire tooling after the Americans were finished with it.

  119. 1735099

    An Australian icon dies

    Rubbish.
    The last true Oz developed Holden died in the mid eighties.
    This was the WB, sold mostly as a Ute.
    It ceased production in 1984.
    The HZ which preceded it was the last Australian developed sedan, station wagon, coupe etc.
    Since then, Holdens have been a mishmash of German (Opel) bodies and GM running gear – usually Buick.
    They were unique to Oz and NZ, but weren’t engineered from the ground up in Australia.
    GM in the US had only to say “jump” and GMH would reply “How high, and when do I come down”.
    Ford, however did the complete R & D exercise with the Falcon, culminating in the FG series which used nothing which originated offshore.
    After 1984 the Falcon was the only true “Australian” vehicle.
    Another truly Australian vehicle was the Leyland P76.
    It could have been a great car, especially with the Buick derived alloy V8, but arrived at a bad time, with strikes, production problems and the oil crisis killing it stone dead.

  120. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    #Wuhan’s Xiaogan City announced that starting February 17, all residents in the city can’t leave their house and no cars can be driving on the road. All unnecessary public spaces should be closed. Anyone violating the rule will be put into the list for untrustworthy individuals.

  121. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Hong Kong armed gang steals toilet rolls as coronavirus panic-buying spreads
    Hundreds of toilet rolls were seized by robbers outside a supermarket in Mong Kok as shortage begin to bite

  122. Arky

    What a shit company.
    They took the five year old tooling and designs from Chev, cut them down into an economy sized ripoff and sold them down here.
    What a joke.
    Like watching the Tonight Show with Steve Vizard in 1989, then realising five years later it was just a badly done rip off of David Letterman.
    Then fully understanding how little real creativity there is here.

  123. Arky

    Like watching the Tonight Show with Steve Vizard in 1989, then realising five years later it was just a badly done rip off of David Letterman.

    ..
    Or reading some spaz US Army wannabe saying “lock and load”.

  124. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie you can’t even make gravy and yet you are an expert on viruses and immunology?

    I have no desire to make gravy, IT, and therein lies the difference. I could make gravy in a roux from pan juices if the moment should seize me, but it rarely has. I am also no ‘expert’ on viruses and immunology, just someone with a background in epidemiology who knows that asking questions logically is where it is at. You do pick up a bit of the virology lingo and some basic concepts re immunology and statistics when you are forced to make population studies, as I was when thrown in the deep end by my own suicidal hand deciding to enroll for a course in a very serious Faculty of Medicine. Sink or swim, so I swam and turned out to be able to do laps in it after all. And I’ve forgotten about half of what I ever knew in that field too. Plus much has moved on. So I’m simply another commenter here helping out. No special privileges and sometimes likely to be wrong too.

  125. Keith Forwheels

    Arky
    #3326318, posted on February 17, 2020 at 2:48 pm

    🤣😂😂

  126. 1735099

    Every one of these are lies.

    Nope.
    Every one is a statement of fact.
    You see, old mate, your opinion means SFA when confronted with reality.
    If you reckon they are lies, analyse each statement, and post any evidence for your opinion.
    Reports from Newscorp, Andrew Bolt etc, are opinion, not fact.
    To get factual information, you need to do a little research.
    If you’re not sure how to do that, let me know.
    I’m here to help.

  127. Arky

    The VK Commodore was the last Holden with major australian input.
    They took man Opel body and put in the Chev- derived old Holden straight 6 and V8s.
    I had one, because a girl I fixed a Corolla for gave me one that her housemate had abandoned.
    I repaired and sold it ASAP.
    The following VL had the Opel derived body and the Nissan straight 6.
    From there they went to a really, really shit v6 like one I drove on nights as a taxi.
    Utter shitbox.

  128. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Buy boxes of tissues, just as good, or use kitchen paper, very handy big wipes there. If these also get scarce, well, torn newspaper is the old standby of the bog dunny, but a sophisticated alternative would be a pile of old paperbacks you no longer care to own. A block of neat and ready-made sheets of reading matter in each book, scan a couple of pages to assist concentration on the undercarriage job, and then you go for the finale once they’re read and the performance is over.

  129. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Old books were also very useful sources of warmth, big blocks of them on your fire, during the siege of Leningrad. Or if they weren’t, they should have been. 🙂

  130. Arky

    Imagine having access to the toling and rights to make a Chevy Bel Aire, but instead going to considerable
    expense modifying the whole thing to produce a fucking Holden FB.
    They have hated us forever.

  131. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Anyone violating the rule will be put into the list for untrustworthy individuals.

    Oh noes. Not that one.

    Is it back of the queue for train tickets or firing squads at dawn?

  132. areff

    Arky, that’s a gem! The ease-of-parking pitch to those “with even the slimmest wrists” is a classic.

  133. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    #Wuhan’s Xiaogan City announced that starting February 17, all residents in the city can’t leave their house

    Bet that caused a big run on supermarkets yesterday. And a big run on virus exchange too.

    One can only hope they staggered this a bit to halt the obvious, but I wouldn’t count on it.

  134. Arky

    Imagine having access to the toling and rights to make a Chevy Bel Aire, but instead going to considerable
    expense modifying the whole thing to produce a fucking Holden FB.

    ..
    I suspect so they could drive their Jaguars and Rolls and still feel superior.

  135. Confused Old Misfit

    You gentlemen are slow.
    Confused Old Misfit
    #3326218, posted on February 17, 2020 at 1:33 pm
    February 17, 2020

    (Reuters) – General Motors Co is retreating from more markets outside of the United States and China, saying on Sunday that it will wind down sales, design and engineering operations in Australia and New Zealand and retire the Holden brand by 2021.

  136. Tailgunner

    Apologies to any cats under 40, who may in fact care. The exceptions who prove the rule. Gunner?

    Just a smidge over, Keith 😃
    The SuperWagon just got a lot more valuable though!
    That reminds me – my big chrome front lion has copped a bit of stone chip damage, time to stock up on a few from Holmart.

  137. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Dr. Redford is very phlegmatic, ain’t he just? Get used to it, he says, and don’t worry that we haven’t got it sussed yet. Let’s just call it ‘community based’ – that’ll sound soothingly relatable.

    Granny’s gone, and good riddance?

  138. Mark from Melbourne

    From the incomparable VDH… Reaching Peak Progressivism.

    Identity politics so rules the rhetoric of the new progressive party that all of its—exclusively white—primary finalists vie to be most vocal in the ritual damning of their own country (that has ironically ensured their own influence, power, success and wealth) as inherently “racist.”

    and…

    All moderate Democratic presidential candidates long ago dropped out. Those who have not, such as Joe Biden and Michael Bloomberg, are in virtual reeducation camps, as they promise to progressive rivals and the media to renounce most of their past positions, effusively apologizing for prior incorrect thinking and failure to become sufficiently “woke.”

    RTWT

  139. Tailgunner

    All the Holdens I’ve owned have been unstoppable tanks. HJ, VN, VE X3. Only did was the V8 VK Berlina.
    All wagons, natch. All my car’s have been Holden wagons, except my first car – VW Passat wagon,76 model, burnt orange.

  140. mh

    The rumour that Hillary would be Mini Mike’s running mate has seen Bloomberg’s price ease from 2.70 to 3.20.

  141. Candy:

    A bit harsh. Why not just one free TV station with all the news and their emergency services and Q&A, and good kids’ programs. And the rest on subscription.

    No. One carrier is all a plague takes to re ignite.
    Shut it down, sack the bloody lot, salt the earth.

  142. Tailgunner

    And all white, except the Volks &DPLRBL.
    Raycis?? 😅😅

  143. Tailgunner

    The rumour that Hillary would be Mini Mike’s running mate has seen Bloomberg’s price ease from 2.70 to 3.20.

    Good work,mh. Surely The Box is going to have to grab a POC(S) to run Veep? Kamala?

  144. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I think to be fair a lot of the claimed PRC deliberate ‘exporting’ of the virus is bunkum

    I was thinking here of conspiracy theories about deliberately handing it out to Hong Kong and Taiwan.

    But I guess too, Roger, it applies to my comments re the biological warfare aspect; although there is a longer and more murky tail to that suspicion, as they were definitely fiddling with the Corona viral RNA, shunting it around and adding stuff. Probably Helen’s theory about a mouse cage-cleaner at the high-tech institute having a little sideline in live mouse pups for ‘that special dish’ will turn out to be closer to the truth if a longer term analysis of the virus still can’t see it evolving from any known Corona mosaic in situ, which is the claim on which biowar theories are based.

  145. cohenite

    Grub responds:

    Nope.
    Every one is a statement of fact.
    You see, old mate, your opinion means SFA when confronted with reality.
    If you reckon they are lies, analyse each statement, and post any evidence for your opinion.

    Your assertions grub; you prove them; but I will disprove one which should be enough to get you banned for lying so egregiously; should be.

    The one I’ll disprove is probably the worst. You vomited:

    No Green holds power in any jurisdiction, (local government or state government) where fires have killed people.

    Mitchell and Nillumbik shires are adjoining council areas north of Melbourne; both are green councils; both were badly affected by the 2009 Black Saturday bushfires with many people dying.

    Mitchell Council fined the Sheahans for cutting fire breaks on their property and fined them 100K because the Sheahans had contravened green regulations. The Sheahan’s homestead was the only one left standing in their area after the fire.

    In Nillumbik many people also died. The local residents in protest against their green council and the many green regulations at a council and state level made a submission to the RC after the bushfires listing all these regulations which prevented adequate preparation for the fires and which led directly to the deaths of local people.

    Troll, you are a liar and a waste of space. You don’t belong here. You befoul every thread you appear on and you lie repeatedly. Just as I have shown you to be a liar on every occasion you will return in a while and repeat the same lies.

    You should be banned.

  146. Tailgunner

    What car will a nationalist drive now the lion has been shot?? HSV Camaro?

  147. Tailgunner

    Or will us Holden fans look to Cuba for inspiration?
    Will old Commodores still be rolling in 2050?

  148. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Spurgeon Monkfish 111, if the poetic Alan who used to be here is the one I am thinking of, let me tell you he gave me the creeps. I don’t appreciate creepy poetics, just the honest and lively ones. If Arky’s busy, then
    Tailgunner’s a bit poetic, isn’t he? He’ll do. One of the young’uns.

    Perhaps he should learn to appreciate older women just as I appreciate younger men.
    From afar suits me well as I am otherwise spoken for.
    Pedestal is over there. Help me up to it, Gunner.
    Before Dr. Redford sees all of us older girls off. 🙂

  149. Arky

    Will old Commodores still be rolling in 2050?

    ..
    I suspect so. Those old panhard rear suspensions are shit.

  150. feelthebern

    Well done ‘gunner.
    “Dat be low key noble”.
    Sheeeeit, dat be good ghetto-speak.
    The sisters on The Real showing the crackers on The View how it be done, dawg.

  151. The Beer Whisperer

    As for individual Police, I would bet there are many at the coalface who are uneasy at what is happening, but haven’t yet come to terms with their situation.
    Looking back at the videos of the high level copper directing – I forget her name – the lady who wanted to walk in Lakemba, or the arresting police in Tommy Robinsons house, or the unidentifiable policeman in Annies video, or the police response to the Rotherham Rapes, we cannot believe the sheepdog has not opted for the easy life.

    I’ve just seen precisely this in a government department. They very obviously gave positions to unqualified clubmembers under the thinnest veils of impartiality, and at great expense to performance. Looking back, all positions were pre-ordained, elevating club members at the expense of the clearly capable and performing. They will simply hire contractors to clean up the inevitable mess, just like they did last time.

    And you can bet this charade is replicated throughout the organisation and in most, if not all other organisations, both public and private.

    The transparency rules have been cracked, and are now openly flaunted, so now they have it both ways. They are both corrupt AND have a plausible claim of transparency. Everyone knows it is corrupt, but no one can prove anything.

    We need a Trump to drain the billabong. ALL of them.

  152. Tailgunner

    Arky, why was your old man letting you gnaw on the dash of the family truckster? That man had no pride in his ride!

  153. feelthebern

    If you’re driving a commodore now, simply torch it.
    Then buy yourself an Audi.
    It’s the only way to be sure.

  154. Good afternoon all.
    I note in the Hun that a Collingwood lady footballer Stacey Livingstone went after she of the bronze statue Tayla Harris, calling her “useless” once the ball hit the ground. For this heinous crime she has been derided in the media. Goodness gracious.

  155. feelthebern

    We need a Trump to drain the billabong.

    The deep state is too strong in Australia.

  156. feelthebern

    When does Ms Livingstone get to play against Ms Harris next?
    That’s a game worth watching.

  157. Tailgunner

    BB, the Hannah Mouncey Update please?
    Is she getting a slot this year?
    Hard tagger, I hear. And cleaning up the pack too!
    Sheeeit, sign the girl up, mofos!

  158. Thefrollickingmole

    Rang work, apparently I might be back in time before it degenerates into a Mad Max/cannibal hellhole but it will be touch and go.
    As crap as it is for them I’m sort of glad as it seems to have focussed minds on how much “ soothing” of various departments/egos I usually do.
    There are currently 3 people all accusing the other of bullying in a 10 person management team.
    This may not end well.

  159. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Arky, why was your old man letting you gnaw on the dash of the family truckster?

    When they’re teething you just can’t stop ’em, Gunner.

    Arky’s dad knew when he was defeated.

  160. feelthebern

    Gunner, a couple of 8’s on The Real, don’t you think?

  161. feelthebern

    Maybe one 8.
    One 7.
    Then two 5’s.
    Lastly, a 2 (the chubby one has full lips).

  162. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There are currently 3 people all accusing the other of bullying in a 10 person management team.

    Used to be like that in the university department I headed.
    I had to bully them all back into submission.

  163. Tailgunner

    Arky’s dad knew when he was defeated.

    Fair point. Arky is a crazy bastard. Coulda been a little Kiwi Nolezy.
    Or the car was just a beater?

  164. feelthebern

    Did someone say 3 people fighting?
    Here’s a management technique that’s sure to work.

  165. Tailgunner

    I was so waiting for the thick sista in the middle to get up and do the U-Uh-Uh ginger wagging thing.
    I love it when they do that shit.
    😃
    But, yes, a couple of cuties fowe shoure.
    But not my type.
    Raycis.

  166. feelthebern

    Another management technique for handling troublesome staff.

  167. JC

    What’s the recovery time with the virus?

  168. Tailgunner

    I’m calling it – Ragu has self-detonated.
    I’m pouring out a 40 for him right now.
    Difference between a flounce and a flame out.
    Respect

  169. feelthebern

    Gunner, The Real has had over 1000 shows & their youtube channel has 2.2mill followers.
    The Donald has to go on that show.

  170. JC

    Listen to the purr of the V8 on this new model Beamer. Hard to beat. Fuck electric cars…nothing beats a purring V8 with turbocharge.

    And how gives a shit if you only get 3 miles a gallon.

  171. 8th Dan

    BB, the Hannah Mouncey Update please?
    Is she getting a slot this year?

    Elective surgery. Might be a while. Does he have private insurance?

  172. vlad

    Gunner, The Real has had over 1000 shows & their youtube channel has 2.2mill followers.
    The Donald has to go on that show.

    DJT has 72.6 million followers on Twitter.

  173. JC

    Tailgunner
    #3326386, posted on February 17, 2020 at 4:04 pm

    I’m calling it – Ragu has self-detonated.
    I’m pouring out a 40 for him right now.
    Difference between a flounce and a flame out.
    Respect

    Very unusual as it was a flame out, flip out and a huge flounce all in one. I’ve never seen that combo before. I’m buying him a specially made tutu.

  174. JC

    Oh please Nancy. More then some more.

    Democrats Weigh Whether to Pursue New Investigations as Election Looms

    House Democrats are grappling with whether to pursue further investigations of President Trump following his acquittal in the Senate, facing both an election in nine months and fresh White House actions that they say demand

  175. feelthebern

    Average number of deaths in China a day from natural causes: approx. 20k.
    Official number of WZA deaths 1,775.
    If you multiply that number by 10, you still get less deaths from WZA (in 5 weeks) than you do from one day of natural attrition.

  176. Tailgunner

    Trump on that show? Sheeeit, that’s fraught, partner!
    Yep, he should definitely do it.
    Blacks 4 Trump
    Oooooo

  177. feelthebern

    Wasn’t Ragu going through a divorce & custody battle?

  178. mh

    Tailgunner
    #3326354, posted on February 17, 2020 at 3:37 pm
    Jussie Update – the gals on The Real, keepin’ it real,yo!

    Those black whores can get fucked. No victims – what sluts.

    The Dems and the media attacked Trump supporters for weeks over that fag Smollett hoax. A white Trump supporter could have got killed easily.

  179. Tailgunner

    The god Emperor will win the Popular Vote, Win by more margin than last time…
    It’s gonna be yuuge.
    Get on with your ears pinned back.

  180. feelthebern

    The sisters would be all flirty with The Donald.
    They’d have their weave all nice, fresh nails & massive lashes for the God-King.

  181. Tailgunner

    Wasn’t Ragu going through a divorce & custody battle?
    Lizzie said he was a new father?

  182. Tailgunner

    The cucking might be at fault here.
    Jamals baby?
    Oooooo

  183. feelthebern

    Those black whores can get fucked. No victims – what sluts.

    Settle mh.
    The blue talk doesn’t start until 10pm eastern time.

  184. Tailgunner

    Maybe he could send his emissary, Candace Owens & Diamond&Silk please.
    They’d absolutely kill that.
    Loads of awesome finger wagging!
    It’d be epic.

  185. feelthebern

    I think a few months ago Ragu said he was getting screwed royally.
    I advised him to rip up some dosh on a junk yard dog lawyer.

  186. feelthebern

    In 15 years Candace Owens will look like Diamond & Silk.

  187. Tailgunner

    Uncle Joe may go down with the best insult for 2020 though.
    Lyin’ , dog-faced, pony soldier!
    To a 21 y/O girl? Lol!!!
    Newly-minted, cute deplorable now+++
    We have the cutest women, don’t we folks?!
    😘

  188. Cold-Hands

    Now that GMH has pulled the plug on the Holden brand, a trip down memory lane with the late, great Ken Sparkes.

  189. feelthebern

    20 years ago, if someone told you a sitting president would do a lap of the Daytona 500 in the beast, you’d have locked them up in Grigs’ basement.
    What a time to be alive.

  190. Tailgunner

    The sisters would be all flirty with The Donald.
    They’d have their weave all nice, fresh nails & massive lashes for the God-King.

    Oh, no doubt!
    If ever in doubt as to the Truth of Game, watch the god Emperor interact with women.
    God-level Game.
    Sheeeit

  191. mh

    This LA activist says that Smollett could have started a race war.

    He knows the LA gangbangers were dying to unload on white Trump supporters following the lies of gay black j ew Jussie Smollett.

  192. feelthebern

    The Donald is the alpha-male secreting pheromones where ever he goes.
    No female can withstand such chemical fury.
    All hail the God-King.

  193. feelthebern

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump had 50+ children.
    Limiting his seed to only 5 would be a tragedy.

  194. Tailgunner

    Going to Daytona? It was probably Trumps idea! He really doesn’t need “advisers”.
    He just plays himself, and keeps Winning.
    He’s playing on Easy mode too much though. He craves a challenge though. Alexander the Great comes to mind.
    But he’s a true patriot. Always has been. Check his record. Or just look up Trump Thug Life.
    He was taking hotshot reporters down with ease when I was fkn sixteen, lads!
    Phew!

  195. Tailgunner

    Daytona 500?
    Ooooo, the deplorables are weeping with love.
    #WalkAway will do the rest.
    Build the Wall

  196. feelthebern

    Trump Thug Life.

    Trump will destroy Mini-Mike.
    When he first used the term Mini-Mike, I said nah…don’t like.
    Now it’s grown on me.
    Mini-Mike appears so small every times he’s on camera.
    See, the Donald knew it would take, it just needed time.
    Glory be to the God-King.

  197. JC

    How bad are the optics for Bloombox. He’s talking to Crooked to be his running mate – a two-time loser ( and third -time one if she runs as VP).

    Bloombox has also said he’s hired a comedian and “narcissist expert” to work on jokes and routines that will hopefully counter Trump. How fucking sad is that. He can’t think of his own so he has to hire two people to help try and measure up to Trump’s smart alec comments.

  198. Tailgunner

    Imagine having a guy like that to actually support?
    Fkn hell.
    It’d be amazing.
    We all know there’s only one anywhere in the ballpark.
    Our man, ALP Latho!
    So the Cat must endorse One Nation. For now.
    MemoryVault – anything to add?

  199. JC

    Imagine what went through mini mike’s head.

    Oh, you’re calling me short and making fun of me for using a step so I don’t look so short. You areshole meanie…. I’m, I’m going to hire a comedian and physiologist just so I get back at you.

    That sure does the trick.

  200. feelthebern

    MemoryVault – anything to add?

    He’s off lying on a bed of AK’s.

  201. Armadillo

    Hey Blackball,

    You might get a laugh out of this. Mrs A bowls at a different club to me. We went to their “Awards Night” last Monday. Mrs A won the women’s minor singles final (out of a field of 20 odd).

    Anyway, she collects her “prize envelope”, opens it and turns to me and says “I wonder what the Runner up got? $7.50?”. No lie, she got a “club voucher” for $15. She played about 6 rounds to eventually win, and the green fees are $15 every time you play.

    The men’s “Club Champion” also got an envelope for $15 “Club Cash”. LOL. Poor bastard had brought his wife and daughter along because he also won the pairs, mixed pairs, triples and fours. Each envelope contained $15 “Club Cash”.

    There are a heap of school teachers that had decided “everyone’s a winner”. No “Blue, Red and Gold” ribbons for this mob, and no sexism because inequality.

    For Cats who know nothing about lawn bowls, the prize money varies between clubs (depending on size). My particular club is by far the smallest, and we give our “Club Champion” $600 (foldy stuff). The biggest club in town gives their “Club Champion” $3,700.

    LOL. It was hilarious watching the look on the faces of these people. Especially since the club President had got up at the beginning of the night and said that they had spent $100k on improvements and managed to put $200k in the bank in the past 12 months.

  202. feelthebern

    All billionaires have vices.
    We know Trump’s. He likes boning hot broads.
    What’s Mini-Mikes?
    He looks like a weirdo, borderline peter-phile.

  203. Tailgunner

    That pastor spoke well, mh. Good get.
    He knows the streets. Lots of easy anger there. And some poor bastard gets gunned down in the 7-11 carpark while he’s getting a pack of smokes. Or a Valentine’s for his wife.
    He even called out the crazy alphabet crew.
    Like

  204. JC

    The other thing Bloombox has said, which makes no sense and is a laughable idea ..

    He said that if he won the presidency, he’d have an open plan office working arrangement and sit himself within such a set up. This is too stupid to believe. He’s way in over his fucking head. Presidents don’t work in an open plan office arrangement.

  205. Slayer of Memes

    RFS: “These fires are bad, potentially due to Climate Change”
    Leftists: “SEE!! CLIMATE CHANGE WILL KILL US ALL!!”

    RFS: “Paul Parker, the volunteer firefighter who abused the PM, was *NOT* sacked from the RFS”
    Leftists: “OMG THE RFS ARE A PACK OF LYING ARSEHOLES!! BELIEVE PAUL PARKER!! #IstandwithPaul Parker”

    Paul Parker: “..Pauline Hanson is the only politician who cares about the people of this country”
    Leftists: “PAUL PARKER IS A LYING XUNT!! DON’T BELIEVE A WORD HE SAYS ABOUT ANYTHING!!!”

    #LeftistAreMentallyIll
    #bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  206. Tailgunner

    a bed of AK’s
    A couple of years at the corners there!
    😂

  207. cohenite

    I don’t know if this is a good idea; too easy for the alarmists to stack the deck and just repeat the usual talking points:

    Petition EN1231 – Appoint Royal Commission scientifically evaluate Australia’s climate energy and policies

    Petition Reason
    We commend and support Alan Kohler in The Australian Sept 21, 2019, to evaluate Australia’s current climate and energy policies via Royal Commission. “… (people need to be) confronted with reality … global warming is (not) a matter of religion or ideology (but) rather (of) science … (and whatever they believe) they have nothing to fear from an inquiry.” People only hear activist’s opinions on climate change – never empirical evidence. “This is serious: … much of Australia’s prosperity relies on fossil fuel exports but … (we) need a final, believable, public debate where the issue can be tested judicially, (under oath) and agreement reached … (on a plan) …”

  208. Tailgunner

    He said that if he won the presidency, he’d have an open plan office working arrangement and sit himself within such a set up.

    JC, you know it’s time to liquidate and listen to the real moneymakers?
    Start opening online betting accounts, pronto

  209. Tailgunner

    Hey Slayer.
    Fkn hell

  210. calli

    feelthebern
    #3326396, posted on February 17, 2020 at 4:16 pm

    Yes he was, bern. And he was very distressed about it, naturally. He is a new dad – if you recall he was a witness to the stabbing and chase in Sydney CBD about a year ago. The one where the criminal was “detained by chair”. Ragu was there with his new partner and child.

  211. 1735099

    The Donald is the alpha-male secreting pheromones where ever he goes.

    So that’s the funny smell people complain about.

  212. Tailgunner

    All billionaires have vices.
    We know Trump’s. He likes boning hot broads

    Word
    How you think that plays in West Baltimore?
    The rappers rap about Trump.
    His vice appeals to 80% of men, &80% of women.
    And he can’t get #MeToo’d
    😎
    Blacks 4 Trump
    Game Recognised 9000

  213. Tailgunner

    Nmbrs, please, put the Viet Minh down for a sec and give us your prediction for Dem Nom.
    Our Wrongology students are on the Livestream.

  214. feelthebern

    Trump.
    Bones Stormy Daniels in her prime.

    Bezos.
    Has an affair with a trannie?

    Mini-Mike.
    Who the fvck cares.

  215. calli

    The Paul Parker thing must be doing the rounds today.

    I got barrelled with the “PP was sacked because he abused ScoMo” at stitch and bitch not two hours ago.

    My reply – sacked from a volunteer organisation? Okaaay. And being told not to show up tomorrow might have more to do with yelling abuse out of a moving fire truck – which he happened to be driving.

  216. feelthebern

    numbers would have more oestrogen than most of the lady Cats.

  217. feelthebern

    numbers fears Trumps manliness.
    Understandable considering the agent orange got in numbers pee pee hole.

  218. Tailgunner

    Oh yes, Tailgunner Financial update :
    The non risk-averse investor ( we call it Sacking Up) will currently be sitting at their coffee table with credit cards out joining all the online Armadillos they can.
    It’s our first ever, three Thumbs Up advice!
    👍👍👍

  219. mh

    And some poor bastard gets gunned down in the 7-11 carpark while he’s getting a pack of smokes.

    Correct. Jussie needs some time to think about what he did. 20 years with Bubba.

  220. feelthebern

    Gunner, is that what they call a white lobster?

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