ABC bias

Two articles on the ABC website tonight further confirm a systematic bias by ABC contributors to the left.

One, about higher suicide rates by those aged between 45 and 54 states this:

When starting to contextualise these staggering statistics, it’s important to realise that this group of men lived through unique transitions in labour force participation, the rise of part-time work, insecure employment and a widespread redistribution of wealth to the rich.

Yet most men in that age range have not taken part-time work, while unemployment has been remarkably low for many years. And there is no evidence whatsoever about a ‘widespread redistribution of wealth to the rich’. To the contrary, welfare payments have been growing rapidly over the past few decades.

This is a typical ABC contributor trope – have an article about a topic which is likely to be interesting, and then insert an irrelevant assertion making it out as if it is a fact.

The second article is about Nazism and asserts that there is a Murdoch conspiracy to make out that Nazism is socialism and that the what he says are the right are engaged in revisionist history.

This article states that Nazism is a capitalist doctrine.

For example

This bizarre view fails to consider the inconvenient fact that the Allies included among its number the communist Soviet Union, the state that bore the brunt of the conflict in lives and domestic destruction.

Well, thankfully, not “everybody” is an adherent to the jejune News Corp view of history, despite the fact that Sky News streams into public places across the continent.

Under Hitler, the party looked squarely to the middle classes and farmers rather than the working class for a political base. Hitler realigned it to ensure that it was an anti-socialist, anti-liberal, authoritarian, pro-business party – particularly after the failed Beerhall Putsch of 1923. The “socialism” in the name National Socialism was a strategically chosen misnomer designed to attract working class votes where possible, but they refused to take the bait. The vast majority voted for the Communist or Social Democratic parties.

So if the Nazis were so obviously anti-socialist, and believed so ardently in the virtues of private property and entrepreneurship, and if socialists were among the earliest and hardest hit victims of the Nazi party prior to the Second World War, why is Hitler being proclaimed by some as a socialist?

For all the Nazi talk of “four-year plans” and the “guidance of the state,” the sanctity of private property and freedom of contract was always preserved under the Nazis, even during the war years.

These four paragraphs among a lot of other nonsense deserve to be singled out.

Yes, the USSR bore a large brunt of the losses during world war 2, largely because of Stalin’s actions.

The authors are probably Holocaust deniers, pretending that socialists suffered more under Hitler than others. And to say that the Nazis preserved the sanctity of private property and freedom of contract is amongst the worst example of revisionist history I’ve ever seen. The Nazis looted on an industrial scale. Under the Nazis there was no private property rights and contracts were regularly ignored. Everything was used to service the State – that is Hitler and his cronies.

But once again, this is an article which manages to address a topic from the mid 20th century and have a dig at Australian conservatives. It is simply another example of ABC left wing bias.

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74 Responses to ABC bias

  1. MatrixTransform

    Under the Nazis there was no private property rights

    Well. I never ….

  2. Simon

    I’m being taxed at 55% to pay for this shit.

    Enough is enough, shut the thing down today.

    There is absolutely no reason in 2020 for the ABC.

  3. jupes

    This bizarre view fails to consider the inconvenient fact that the Allies included among its number the communist Soviet Union, the state that bore the brunt of the conflict in lives and domestic destruction.

    And this even more bizarre view fails to consider the inconvenient fact that Hitler and Stalin were allies from 1st Sep 1939 to 22 Jun 1941. That’s 21 months. The Soviet Union only became allies once their comrades invaded them.

  4. jupes

    Two articles on the ABC website tonight further confirm a systematic bias by ABC contributors to the left.

    As Rita Pahahi pointed out on Outsiders today; the Coalition has won seven of the last nine elections.

    The fact there is still ABC bias is due entirely to their incompetence and cowardice.

  5. Zatara

    This bizarre view fails to consider the inconvenient fact that the Allies included among its number the communist Soviet Union, the state that bore the brunt of the conflict in lives and domestic destruction.

    Speaking of inconvenient facts, the author and others of his type like to ignore the facts that the Soviet Union eagerly rushed into the war arm in arm with the Nazis and their eyes wide open.

    They not only participated in starting the war by a surprise invasion of Poland, but they did it jointly with their mates the Nazis. Then they divided portions of overrun Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland between them.

    That fact that Hitler and Stalin had a lovers spat later in the war and the Soviets suffered badly for it is a bummer but the Soviets have nobody to blame for their casualties but themselves.

  6. Zatara

    “…. if socialists were among the earliest and hardest hit victims of the Nazi party prior to the Second World War, why is Hitler being proclaimed by some as a socialist?”

    Hitler destroyed any organization he didn’t control and murdered any individual who might oppose him. He couldn’t care less what they called themselves or who they were aligned with if it wasn’t him.

    He didn’t get the name ‘National Socialist Workers Party’ out of the phone book. He choose it because that title expressed his beliefs and intent. There just isn’t any getting around that supreme fact.

    The author suggests that Hitler could not be socialist because he killed socialists. Using that logic Lenin, who murdered Kamenev, Zinoviev, Beria, etc. etc. (all early leaders in the Soviet Communist party who potentially challenged his leadership) must not be a communist.

  7. JC

    Lucius

    One of the writers , Dirk Diggler (Moses) has been peddling this nonsense before.

  8. JC

    As though the temporary western alliance with the Soviets proves their assertion. China vs the Soviet Union, China and Vietnam. Communists have been at war with each other. That’s nothing new.

  9. BorisG

    ABC Leftwing bias? In two articles? Shock! horror!

    I am not a regular reader of ABC web pages but I doubt there are many articles that don’t have that bias. Switch on ABC radio and you will here leftist narrative on climate change, social justice, aboriginal rights, women’s rights, gay rights, trans rights, multiculturalism, offshore detention, discrimination against minorities, part time work, endengered species, underpayment of corporate taxes, inclusive workplaces, you name it.

  10. miltonf

    widespread redistribution of wealth to the rich

    yes from taxpayers on modest incomes to ABC fat cats on 300k plus. Obscene and hypocritical. Weren’t they angry when their taxpayer funded salaries were revealed.

  11. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Left needs to have a right wing nasty so they can say that conservatives are nasty. So they continually claim in contradiction of abundant evidence that Hitler wasn’t a socialist so they can accuse conservatives of being Nazis.

    Same with fascism. They love to smear righties as fascists despite Mussolini being a socialist and fascists being totalitarian socialists.

    In reality the Left in Australia have become what they smear righties with. They are the fascists, forcing businesses to do their will or be destroyed. And the ABC is the Riefenstahl and G*ebbels of the fascist statists.

  12. Herodotus

    Close it down, fire them all. It has become redundant, a sheltered workshop for the communards.

  13. Entropy

    The author suggests that Hitler could not be socialist because he killed socialists. Using that logic Lenin, who murdered Kamenev, Zinoviev, Beria, etc. etc. (all early leaders in the Soviet Communist party who potentially challenged his leadership) must not be a communist.

    Obviously not true socialism. Because socialism is nice. Socialism tolerates all kinds of dissent.

  14. Bruce of Newcastle

    Useful article:

    Socialism: A Brief Taxonomy (Mises Institute, 15 Feb)

    It covers the various strands of socialism including the Nazis and fascists, and shows how each strand fits in as a form of socialism. Worth bookmarking.

  15. Up The Workers!

    Were the Australian Labor Party/waterside unions all Nazi-run during WWII, or were they Socialists?
    The Socialist Nazis and the Socialist Communists were allies when the war started and remained so until Hitler turned on his good Socialist pal, Stalin.

    Why did A.L.P>/Australian wharfie unions see the need to steal the possessions and food for our troops and our Allies; sabotage the weaponry; mis-load the ammo and damage and drop aircraft and other material whilst loading departing Australian and Allied shipping?

    John Curtin must have been pulling his hair out at the treachery of his Unions towards our troops and our Allies. No wonder he didn’t see out the war years.

    Socialists murdered well over 106 million people during the 20th century.

    Maybe the idiot Comrades at the A.L.P.B.C. would like to improve on that number in the 21st century?

  16. Mother Lode

    This bizarre view fails to consider the inconvenient fact that the Allies included among its number the communist Soviet Union

    If fighting against communist USSR means they can’t be socialist then fighting against capitalist Britain and the US means the can’t have been capitalist.

    But the way the ABC put it conflict with the USSR simply means that the Nzais were were not communists – international socialists – and sure enough Adolph’s mob called themselves National Socialists.

    In fact there is no reason to believe nations with the same system will not come into conflict if each nation believed they were particularly entitled as custodians of the system. Communist Russia and China did not seamlessly blend into a single entity during the Cold War. It is just a matter of faith declared by the hirsute grizzled smelly sister-shagger, Marx.

    Which for the ABC is probably as close to holy writ as anything could be.

  17. nb

    1) Socialism and communism have never been tried. Only under the ABC will true socialism flourish.
    2) ‘jejune’? Really? That is their choice for a crushing rhetorical flourish? I fart in your general direction.

  18. Paul Farmer

    I went and read the piece on the abc about the nazis . To be fair to its authors , they do get a lot of historical facts correct . However as is always the case us on the right and those on the left tend to talk past each other as we simply interpret the same things differently . Part of the problem is how we interpret labels then people extrapolate often incorrectly from the baggage that come with those labels . This is what our professor friends at the abc have done .

    One of the things that shocked me by reading the piece is this idea of the left that the right is to blame for world war 2 and we are trying to invert this to say the left is to blame . The authors by claiming this are just as guilty of the gross simplification and misrepresentation that they claim the Murdoch press is, in starting from this ridiculous presupposition . It is a total straw man to say anybody on the right is suggesting the left is to blame for world war 2 because the nazis had socialist in their name and further to then argue rather it is historically agreed that the right is to blame for world war 2 is also totally dishonest.

    What are they implying ? It implies anyone with a conservative or classically liberal bent can then be lumped in with the nazis because we are considered to be on the right and allows those on the left to ergo also push the idea capitalism must be by implication also evil because the nazis supported it . This entire left right divide is totally unsatisfactory to try and explain ww2 with . This is because capitalism vs socialism , freedom vs totalitarianism can’t be explained with a simple one dimensional axis .

    The nazis were to blame for world war 2 but just because their views weren’t antithetical to capitalism doesn’t mean you can trickily define this as a key feature of their regime , then conveniently lump all the blame of Ww2 at the feet of anyone on the right who doesn’t think capitalism is a bad idea. . That’s the effective logic our professors over at the abc are trying to defend . This is an enormous distortion of the facts , so lacking in context and quite frankly disgusting so that people on the right are correct to push back on people of the left making this assertion the right is to blame for Ww2.

    You also need to understand the context by which the Nazis tolerated capitalism before you can make absolute statements like the nazis were capitalists. Nazism in its ideals is about as far removed from classical liberalism as is possible to conceive and as others have contended the elements in common between nazis and communists are in fact far similar. But and this is where people on the right need to be clearer , this is a different thing then saying the nazis were socialists, we were fighting the nazis , ergo we were really fighting socialists hence it was a war against socialism . Wrong answer . The Cold War was a war against socialism but ww2 was not .

    The nazis weren’t really socialists as the professors correctly claim, no issues there but ignoring the incorrect use of the word socialist by some on the right to describe the nazi worldview , doesn’t mean the argument being made by many on the right is incorrect but . Socialists they might not have been but nonetheless they were still evil racist collectivists and this is where us on the right need to be careful with our labels too . I don’t know if Paul Murray did say world war 2 was fought against socialism , it was not and if he did say that he would be incorrect .

    However and this is the crux of the argument , and this is what I am sure Murray was trying to say , is that it is perfectly correct to say that nazism , socialism and communism all share the common idea of authoritarian collectivism . The difference between the nazis and the communists simply rests on how you define the collective . For a nazi it is the nation and the race , for a communist it is the working class but Stalin and Lenin subverted that to just as much mean the Nation State. Either way your loyalty is enforced by the barrel of a gun and there is no respect for the individual , a defining characteristic of what many democratic capitalist states today stand for .

    For the nazis it was primarily about Nationalism which had deep roots in German thought tracing back 120 odd years before Ww2 to Hegel with his idea of romantic nationalism ( volksgeist) and ran through the ideas of Bismarck and into world war 1 and this heavily drove the German militarism that lead to that conflict .

    The idea is that you subvert your desires to those of the nation , you exist only as a person to serve the nation , the nation is the meaning of everything . This is the exact opposite of the idea upon which the United States was founded and so beautifully articulated in its founding documents with its focus on the individual’s inalienable rights. The nazis took the nationalistic collective idea to the extreme and added a racial element on top .

    For a Nazi , yes Capitalism was fine but provided it is subverted to the cause of the nation . Ironically there is not much difference here with how many on the left think today about how capitalism should be controlled and allowed only so far as it advances the agenda of the welfare state . This highlights how capitalism is an economic system , not a political one , and it was simply a means to an end for the nazis , not a key feature of their ideology as the professors claim . The Germans being Germans are pretty good at picking a system that is most efficient at producing output , so no surprises they preferred capitalism over a socialist or communist one, but as noted with conditions .

    Equally socialism if that means workers rights was fine too with the Nazis provided those workers rights were subverted to serve the nation , this is how the nazis thought . The nation and the regime takes precedence over everything and they the nazis were sole arbiters of what was in the national interest , hence they were totalitarian, again a similarity with the communist regime of Lenin and Stalin . Contrast that to the communism movements in general in Europe and in particular in the Weimar Republic pre the nazis seizing control and it was all about not allegiance to the state but allegiance to the working class itself , this is why Hitler hated them along with the fact it’s many adherents were Jewish . Their beliefs were an impediment to loyalty first to the German Reich.

    The other thing our authors are conflating is that opposition to socialism by many on the right today means opposition to the welfare state . That is very dishonest and mischaracterises the views of just about everybody I know on the right . Most right minded people believe in a sensible welfare state that helps those at the bottom and believe passionately in public services like hospitals and schools . Socialism is about the government owning the means of production or if not owning them controlling them in such ways that they are effectively nationalised .

    Socialism then is nothing like a social welfare state in practice as the most successful social welfare states today like Sweden and Australia etc still are driven and paid for by capitalism . So the authors conflate all the wrong things together and to be honest it is a little tiring that people on the left seriously think everyone on the right is against all govt spending per say , failing to appreciate that we are not monsters but what we oppose is the scope and extent of government spending and it must be always be balanced by providing incentives to try and look after oneself .

    Message to our friends at the abc : we have nothing against a social welfare state , our beef is with socialism because it sux as it leads to poverty, authoritarianism and a loss of individual freedom . At 100 million dead last century thanks to socialism , we don’t need any form of reruns thank you .

    Anybody who is student of history can see pretty quickly the topic of describing the nazis and Ww2 is complex and isn’t one simply of left Vs right , but that is the effective starting point of our abc authors . People on the right are absolutely 100% right ( no pun intended ) to push back against the idea that the right was the cause of world 2 because that is a totally disgusting distortion of what the nazis stood for . However in pushing back we need to be careful in getting our labels right too so we are not exposed to the pieces of drivel they have totted out at the abc in this case to push a anti right and anti capitalist agenda .

  19. Jonadoh

    I did have high hopes that Ita would be able to turn the ship, but she has proved to be one of the worst chairpersons in recent history, which is saying something.

  20. Entropy

    The nazis were hard right in the same way the old communists rebelling against Yeltsin were hard right.

  21. Mother Lode

    Funny thing about the Soviets was that, in order to reinvigorate the population to keep fighting the Germans Stalin had to back away from his communist policies: He had to remove the political commissars embedded in military units and had to go back to promotion by merit.

    But most significantly he had to recast the war as a national struggle. Even now they still call it The Great Patriotic War.

    Everybody knew that they had to pay lip service to the principles of communism, but the reality is that it was remote and abstract. No one joined the big choreographed parades because they were so moved by dialectical materialism. They did because it helped to guarantee future servings of something a bot better than boiled turnips.

    The Russians fought for hearth and home. They fought for their villages, the families, their sweethearts, their world.

    They weren’t motivated by high theories. They were motivated by deep feeling.

  22. Crossie

    miltonf
    #3325831, posted on February 17, 2020 at 4:50 am
    widespread redistribution of wealth to the rich

    yes from taxpayers on modest incomes to ABC fat cats on 300k plus. Obscene and hypocritical. Weren’t they angry when their taxpayer funded salaries were revealed.

    They are not intelligent enough to be self-aware.

  23. Mother Lode

    We can type ‘Nazi’ without incurring the wrath of the imperious but dull-witted moderation regime?

    Who knows. Perhaps we will be able to talk about what soccer players play with. The one on the field and the ones they carry with them everywhere they go.

  24. Crossie

    The author suggests that Hitler could not be socialist because he killed socialists. Using that logic Lenin, who murdered Kamenev, Zinoviev, Beria, etc. etc. (all early leaders in the Soviet Communist party who potentially challenged his leadership) must not be a communist.

    They don’t teach logic anymore in universities, only fuzzy logic.

  25. min

    As usual journalists on the ABC showing their lack of historical knowledge . Mussolini had Gentile , a Communist write the original manifesto for Fascism . According to Canadian Professor of Philosophy, Stephen Hicks , who by the way is giving lectures here in March on the Culture wars and author of Marxism to Socialism ,said that Hitler’s manifesto, 25 points are straight from Communism.

  26. Mother Lode

    They not only participated in starting the war by a surprise invasion of Poland, but they did it jointly with their mates the Nazis. Then they divided portions of overrun Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland between them.

    Exactly. Adolph would have been very unlikely to have attacked westward if he felt his rear end was exposed. Stalin was content enough to see the Germans attack France and Britain, but when Russia was attacked, his own personal demesne, suddenly he demanded the West come to Russia’s aid.

  27. Mother Lode

    I see JC made the point about communists being ready to fight communists before me.

    Great minds and all that…

  28. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    It is abjectly clear that standards of training in the ABC and elsewhere have collapsed to nought. It is typical to have “news reports” that do not convey the essential facts of the matter. Most stories come with a value judgment that is not obviously for relevance or public interest. In my opinion the accelerant of this was in the unusual power of a clique of 1970s blokes who ended up running the whole show. Then Mark Scott came in and played to the next generation, breaking the ABC’s former rule against opinion in reporting by giving staff a web site.
    Today virtually all news outlets are infected with a notion of celebrity, with opinion a constant and actual reporting work lost from sight. Rare types like McClymont do the work of exposing the Obeids etc, but mostly they are drowned by the tide of blather that comes from a largely repetitive, self-aggrandising mob of blowhards.

  29. min

    Hicks by the way can be heard on you tube explaining the difference between socialism and capitalism . Modern day socialists believe they have taken a moral stand ,equality for all etc whilst capitalists are evil. still exploiting the poor . Poverty today is much lower than ever before.
    This is why AGW is a Socialist movement , Christine Figueres , Dettmar Edenhoffer UN IPCC heavies , and Maurice Strong of the Club of Rome all have stated that it is about the redistribution of wealth .not the environment

  30. mh

    Ita was only competent when she had a Packer above her showing her how it should be done.

  31. Perfidious Albino

    Per The Oz this morning, Boris is suggesting he will scrap the TV licence fee and make the BBC a subscription service, also “pruning” the broadcasters reach into everyone’s homes. It will be a shit storm no doubt…

  32. Entropy

    The mutual love in between the national socialist workers party and the international socialists ended on 22 June 1941 when the international socialists discovered the national socialists were more internationalist than the soviets thought.

    On that night of Barbarossa the nazis became right wing.

  33. Mother Lode

    I wonder if, in certain spheres at least, the ABC likes to think it runs itself on communist principles. How could they bear not to.

    Millions of committees adjudicating upon what is ‘right’ and what is not. Promotions that satisfy victim check-boxes that proliferate like an algal bloom to achieve targets. Lots of posters. Lots of protocols to ‘re-educate’ deviant opinion.

    And a constant appeal to an underpinning obligation to an abstract ‘whole’, the diffuse spirit of the collective to which people direct their efforts rather than to each other so people have a duty to the collective but it has none to them.

    I can imagine low level admin being managed this way, the cleaners, the people in the kitchen, perhaps technical staff (watching the ABC it is clear that technical roles are not assigned on merit – they are astoundingly inept), everyone except ‘the talent’.

    They would look at this and be satisfied that it shows the communist ideas work.

    They don’t notice that it is sustained by billions of dollars of capitalist money. While looking straight at it, they would not see it.

  34. Their ABC isn’t biased, it’s simply that it’s a Left wing PR organisation. It follows its beliefs, which it believes are the correct beliefs. And it’s just unfortunate that it’s still referred to and supported by government as a news organisation, when that’s not what it’s purpose has become.

  35. Shy Ted

    The author of the suicide article, read paragraph 3. Troubled middle aged men are sure going to relate to him. Author 1, and his leftie background and author 2 of the Nazi piece. Amazing they aren’t regulars on The Dumb.

  36. Entropy

    The other day there was a debate about whether left or right meant anything anymore. In the old days of Grance the right sided with the king, and the left dissented.
    But what if the left is in charge?
    I think a better spectrum of political organisation is individualism vs collectivism. The ultimate collective State has all authority to achieve its aims. Individualist States would have little authority.

    On this spectrum, it would be from left to right

    Communist>fascist>social democrat>Parliamentary democracy>Federated Republic>anarchy

    Nazis of course were a variety of fascists. The state controlled the means of production, it just did not own it. Corporatism is a seemingly benevolent variant, a kind of transition from social democracy that is inevitable unless guarded against.

    WW2 started off with the parliamentary democracies fighting fascists, with the communists on side with the fascists until they were betrayed. The alliance’s convenient arrangement between the parliamentary democracies, federated republics and communists ended as soon as the fascist betrayers were eliminated.

  37. Entropy

    Autocrats are probably somewhere on the collective side as the state is all powerful. Indistinguishable from communism in the way it operates, a Big Man instead of a Politburo.

  38. Frank

    Dirk Moses; everyone’s favourite professor of genocide studies and tendentious smears to order, say no more.

  39. Enyaw

    Every morning I include in my readings the first 25 headlines published by the ABC , There are sometimes up to 40 …yes 40 contributing ” journalists ” , 50% of the articles are pure CRAP . The other 50% are not worth reading . BTW …I dont read anywhere near 50%. Then I move on to more sensible pages …like this one .

  40. jupes

    I did have high hopes that Ita would be able to turn the ship, but she has proved to be one of the worst chairpersons in recent history, which is saying something.

    Ita is the worst chairperson in all history. Under her watch the ABC is completely off the leash.

  41. MatrixTransform

    Ita is the worst chairperson in all history

    straight after QnA … The Vicar of Rugby v Ita The Fighter

  42. Richard Standley

    Ummmm… the clue is in the name… “National Socialism”…
    The Nazi’s and Communists were simply “brothers” having a fight about which was best…
    The final outcome was similar…
    destruction of private property
    centralisation of the means of production
    censorship
    loss of civil rights
    forced incarceration of opponents in atrocious conditions
    Thought police speech etc etc…
    The problem with the ultra-right and the ultra-left boils down to a matter of semantics, the outcomes for the ordinary people is always the same… total control by the state…

  43. Entropy

    Enyaw
    #3325947, posted on February 17, 2020 at 9:27 am
    Every morning I include in my readings the first 25 headlines published by the ABC , There are sometimes up to 40 …yes 40 contributing ” journalists ” , 50% of the articles are pure CRAP . The other 50% are not worth reading . BTW …I dont read anywhere near 50%. Then I move on to more sensible pages …like this one

    To be fair it’s the same from the hipster kiddies at news.com.au. Well, same inanity, different shit.

  44. John Brumble

    I think the major issue here is that leftists like Moses think the right’s problem with socialism is that the owners are the workers. Throughout this piece the (if you’ll excuse a correct use of the word) jejune ideals of class warfare repeat themselves.

    But the right’s issue with socialism is not that the workers (as a collective) own or control the means of production, it is that the state owns or controls the means of production. There is a fantasy that you can have the first without the latter.

  45. Turtle

    Basically, there’s the anglosphere who love freedom and there’s socialism/communism/fascism who don’t. The latter are the left.

  46. Andre Lewis

    Other TV channels 9 and 7 are not much better. The news is often peppered with opinions disguised as facts. Every time Folau is mentioned in a sports item he is couched as “the controversial player”. Barnaby Joyce is always tagged similarly. Anything positive about the US is reoported without mentioning Trump but stuff ups always have the President as the by line. Its blatant.

  47. I_am_not_a_robot

    The ‘beefsteak nazis’ were ex-communist activists and agitators who, after the Reichstag fire, quickly switch to the SA, ‘beefsteaks’ – brown outside and red within’ comparable with latter-day ‘watermelons’.
    H1tler himself remarked that they were the most disciplined and reliable of his brown-shirted thugs.

    It’s just a squabble over nomenclature, a diversionary tactic of the Left, the true dichotomy is statism vs. individual liberty: “The aim, therefore, of patriots was to set limits to the power which the ruler should be suffered to exercise over the community; and this limitation was what they meant by liberty ” (Mill On Liberty).

  48. Mother Lode

    I wonder if there is a single politician who has the stomach to take the ABC on. To call them out for their unbridled partisanship, ideological blinkeredness, and deceptive theatrics.

    It would be a big fight. Labor and the Greens would be in the ABC’s corner, and most of the lily-livered Libs would be useless.

    Most people in Australia don’t trust the ABC because they have seen it is trustworthy – they have just been told it so many times. Most don’t even watch it, and many that do do so to watch BBC dramas free of the ABC taint.

    They have some pretty bog standard tricks which they bring to bear repeatedly.

    They love to tell of a dire reports to goad a politician to action and therefore studiously avoid reporting where the report came from. Climate change reports for climate change groups for example.

    Or they keep things vague – doctors claim… – to create the impression that a lot of doctors across the profession.

    There is the ‘growing calls’ and ‘growing concern’.

    And their own surveys which they pass off as being the voice of the nation. If you believed the ABC you would believe that most Australians want Manus closed and the poor long suffering country shoppers brought to Australia at once. Vote Compass is a complete joke – the minority of Australians who watch the ABC and then of them the ones inclined to select themselves to answer the survey that no one else in the county knows about.

    Much of the above could be blown away merely by looking at ‘who’. Wait for an oxygen thief from Labor or the Greens to cite ‘the report’ and then quiz them as to who wrote it. Growing calls? Where did you find them? On Twitter?

    The ABC gets away with so much purely on momentum. Politicians will not call it out, and everyone who does not watch it thinks it superb professional organisation. Their unerring ability to err in their electoral predictions is almost comical. A quick run through of the stories they don’t run would add to the amusement.

    A politician who did that would quickly earn a following – and every hatchet job the ABC reported afterward about them afterward will just add fuel to the fire. We have seen in the US how the reflex reactions of the MSM has made them the joke, and they just can’t stop themselves.

  49. Rayvic

    “As Rita Pahahi (Panahi?) pointed out on Outsiders today; the Coalition has won seven of the last nine elections.
    The fact there is still ABC bias is due entirely to their incompetence and cowardice.”

    Well said by Rita.

    The ABC has reached its “use by” date and does not justify further government funding, given its entrenched bias and the fact that all of its broadcast material is available from alternative sources, particularly the internet . The ABC should be reviewed with terms of reference to inquire into whether it should be terminated or privatised.

    Sadly, such a review appears unlikely under the present government, as the responsible minister Paul Fletcher lacks the resolve to call for it.

  50. I_am_not_a_robot

    “Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state”.

    (Mussolini — a genuine fascist in fact he coined the term, started off as a socialist).

  51. struth

    This is the big lie the left must defend at all costs and yet as we see above……they have nothing and their bullshit is easily debunked.
    However the right will lose this.
    Here is why.
    The left point and scream nazi at everyone on the right.
    The right are only now starting to say enough is enough.
    Calling it out for the bullshit it is.
    When the right start pointing back and screaming it from the roof tops…….ah forget it.

  52. Old Lefty

    Boris Johnson has come up with the perfect solution: defund it and turn it into a subscription service. As the Stalinst wing of the Greens who are it’s target demographic never pay for anything except with other people’s money, we would see its immediate demise. I would happily pay to salvage Classic FM (1.25% of the ABC’s budget) – one of the fee remaining bits worth having.

  53. duncanm

    Hilarious that the author reprises some of Stalin’s best work by not mentioning him in an article which fingers Hitler no less than 18 times.

  54. Mother Lode

    I would happily pay to salvage Classic FM (1.25% of the ABC’s budget) – one of the fee remaining bits worth having.

    Agreed. I would pay too.

  55. duncanm

    “Right wing parallel universe, nazi scum fascists” versus just good old fuzzy “left politics”

  56. Frank

    I would happily pay to salvage Classic FM

    Tidal subscription costs $20 per month for hi res audio, that’s cheap to lose the ABC.

  57. duncanm

    Tidal subscription costs $20 per month

    shit – premium spotify is $12/mon for 6 users.

    There are less than 10M households in Australia — that’s $83/month each at $1B/year.

  58. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Barnaby Joyce is always tagged similarly

    “The controversial extreme right beetroot faced adulterer …”

  59. Des Deskperson

    Speaking of the ABC, it is currently spruiking its new and doubtless ‘acclaimed’ TV drama – all ABC drama is apparently ‘acclaimed’ by someone or other – ‘Stateless’. According to the on-line blurb:

    ‘Inspired by true events; a woman escaping a cult, a refugee fleeing with his family, a father trapped in a dead-end job, and a bureaucrat on the verge of a national scandal find their lives intertwined, caught up in migrant detention.’

    The issue is whether this will be a complex and subtle exploration of the ethical, emotional and personal dilemmas facing people on all sides of the border control controversies or will it be your typical ABC lower-middle brow tosh, earnest, didactic and ‘progressive’, with cheap and lazy stereotypes for characters, cliche-ridden plot and dialogue and ‘arty’ camera work that still looks stale and stodgy.

    The ABC trailer isn’t promising. it shows a rather crudely obvious Cornelia Rau character in detention and the other puzzled or possibly sarcastic detainees wanting to know why a whitey woman ‘someone who looks like ‘them” is in there at all. Detention must be all about race.

  60. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    How to show your collectivist chums that you lerve the ALPBC.

  61. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    ‘Inspired by true events; a woman escaping a cult, a refugee fleeing with his family, a father trapped in a dead-end job, and a bureaucrat on the verge of a national scandal find their lives intertwined, caught up in migrant detention.’

    Wow, Deskie. That sounds like it would be absolutely excruciating.

  62. Lee

    If fighting against communist USSR means they can’t be socialist then fighting against capitalist Britain and the US means the can’t have been capitalist.

    Also, communists like Stalin and Mao killed millions of their own people.

    Another logic fail by the ABC.

    In any case, I would argue that the Nazis were not capitalists in the true meaning of the word.

  63. Mother Lode

    “Inspired by true events;”

    Some people are naive and simple enough that they might take that as meaning that it is an essentially true story.

  64. I_am_not_a_robot

    The young attracted to what they think is socialism are labouring under the delusion that it ensures fairness and equality but:

    How is equality to be attained?
    By being enforced.
    Who is to do the enforcing, and how can the enforcer remain ‘equal’ to the rest? (Conquest).

    Unfortunately too often the contest with their idea of socialism is conducted on the Left’s terms viz. idealistic socialism v. evil capitalism whereas a fruitful approach would be authoritarian socialism v. liberty and that is what I believe the IPA’s Generation Liberty is doing on campuses.
    Sadly part of the problem is that many people who identify as conservatives are not comfortable with the concept of liberty and the principle defined by Mill:

    The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilised community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.

  65. John A

    I_am_not_a_robot #3326091, posted on February 17, 2020 at 11:34 am

    “Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state”.

    (Mussolini — a genuine fascist – in fact, he coined the term, started off as a socialist).

    Yes, Il Duce then turned on the socialists, and one of my late uncles had to leave Italy in some haste as he was a “genuine socialist,” guided by the original ideals. I disagreed with him about socialism even while agreeing about fascism.

  66. John A

    Des Deskperson #3326188, posted on February 17, 2020 at 1:12 pm

    Speaking of the ABC, it is currently spruiking its new and doubtless ‘acclaimed’ TV drama – all ABC drama is apparently ‘acclaimed’ by someone or other – ‘Stateless’.

    Ah, sorry to see it is not a submission from the Board of Their ABC for full autonomy and complete freedom from government oppression.

    If it had been so, I would have voted instantly to grant the petition, cut them loose and stop the financial hemorrhaging.

  67. struth

    and one of my late uncles had to leave Italy in some haste as he was a “genuine socialist,” guided by the original ideals

    Aren’t they all…………………..yawn.

  68. Natural Instinct

    The ABC once had a high standard of news reporting – now sadly pretty ignorant.
    If one was going to write a story about GM ‘retiring’ the Holden name would one lead with:

    decades making and selling cars such as the Commodore, Astra and Barina

    How about FJ, EH, Kingswood, Statesman, Monaro or Torana?

  69. Mother Lode

    If the ABC did a drama ‘inspired by events’ on Julius Caesar, it would be a largely female cast with just a sprinkling of men who will uniformly be brutish racist misogynists.

    The star will be Julia Caesar who conquered Gaul so as to free the women from the patriarchy of men.

    When on the verge of being acclaimed ‘Dictator’ (which was for the Romans a temporary office to deal with specific emergencies – see the author of this post, Cincinnatus) to abolish all the institutional privilege possessed by white men to open Rome to the sophisticated and peaceful throngs of Africa, she will be murdered by a group of men, and a miserable duplicitous woman, Marcia Junius Brutus, a bitter traitor to her own gender.

    Julia’s friends will be Marcia Tullius Cicero (a well known sapphic) and Gnaea Pompeius Magna, played by that Aboriginal woman they love to put in ABC drama.

    As the treacherous Marcia strikes, Julia, brilliant and witty to the end, will utter the famous ‘Et tu Brute’, thus simultaneously accusing her attacker, and calling her a ‘brute’.

    At the end the men agree on what history will recorded regarding this monstrous affair – they knew what they were doing was shameful, but shame does not constrain white men. Marcia Junius Brutus will go home with her lover even as the reality of her crime begins to dawn upon her. After a night of violent sex from her lover he will smash her skull in with an empty amphora.

  70. rickw

    One, about higher suicide rates by those aged between 45 and 54 states this:

    When starting to contextualise these staggering statistics, it’s important to realise that this group of men lived through unique transitions in labour force participation, the rise of part-time work, insecure employment and a widespread redistribution of wealth to the rich.

    The typical pastimes of these men used to be hunting, shooting, fishing, drinking, smoking and cars.

    Which one of these can be freely enjoyed in Australia without the dead hand of fucktard government being felt upon it?

    NONE.

    For the less resilient it is not surprising that they have nothing to live for, especially if fucktard government facilitated the crazy ex wife stealing the kids and all the assets in your already drab and pleasure free existence.

    Australia is more Soviet than the USSR for many unfortunate men.

  71. sfw

    If you are a white male over 45 without a degree it’s almost impossible to get a job, even in fields in which you have experience and qualifications, unless you want to drive trucks you’re almost unemployable.

  72. Squirrel

    They can fund propaganda, but they need extra money to do their real job (cover the the bushfires).

  73. Terry

    “their real job (cover the bushfires).”

    Really? There weren’t enough commercial stations (costing us not a cent of taxpayer money) falling over themselves to ram copious quantities of disaster porn down the throats of anyone bored enough to tune into their broadcasts?

    We don’t need an ABC. Not for news, not for information, not for entertainment and certainly not for propaganda.

    Break it up into the functions we think we really need (only the essentials – which would be very few) and then put those functions out to competitive tender. Sell anything that’s leftover. Fire any surplus tax-guzzlers. Job done.

  74. Professor Fred Lenin

    I see Boris is sorting out the comrades in the BBC,this sets a precedent for our Populist PM
    If we ever get one . Dont think the National Gangrene Laboral Party would aprove of destroying the globalist broadcasting comrades ,GBC .

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