Tuesday Forum: February 18, 2020

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  1. JC

    Just kidding Bruce. I thought I’d just bring you in there to up the numbers. Purely random.

  2. Ubique

    The reason India can muse about ceasing to rely on coal imports is that the sub-continentals have been very busy commissioning their very own new coal mines. And plenty of them – 52 and counting.

  3. Mater

    You are in fact a lying piece of shit.

    To your credit, this time you didn’t claim that a Bob didn’t post the comments.
    You’ve got the numerical numbering system of this blog sorted, I guess.

    You can thank me later. Until then…you’re welcome!

    A tip for young players: Bob would have been furiously trying to prove me wrong. If he can’t, you certainly won’t (unless it’s got something to do with percentages). If he goes quiet, it might be an idea for you to lay low, too.

  4. JC

    Zogby reporting Bloombox is now the number 2 contender in their poll.

    Bloombox has said nothing interesting in terms of policy and in fact has messed up a lot by looking silly, defensive and short. Very short.

    Money doesn’t buy you love?Bullshit.

  5. Bruce of Newcastle

    I like nuclear better though JC.

  6. johanna

    Tintarella di Luna
    #3328571, posted on February 19, 2020 at 2:36 pm

    “Can you imagine growing up without the friends of your own age you had at school?”

    I can..most of the girls (I went to an all girl’s school) were absolute bitches.

    Cassie we could start a #MeToo movement on that one. Women can be the most vicious, conniving, destructive beasts when they set the mind to it — hence “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned” – fact check — True

    Wow, you must have been unlucky. I am still close friends with one of my high school female friends, and we were part of a group of six un-bitchy girls. I was in touch with another of them until she died of cancer. True, there were one or two toxic females in my year at this co-ed public school, but by and large that was not the case at all.

    We had a 40 year reunion a few years ago, and it was amazing how everyone just fell back into their friend groups without friction.

    Of course, there was nothing at all snooty about my school – nobody was even conscious of class or money or anything like that. Perhaps I was just lucky.

    I’ve been popping in for a read now and then recently, but got bored by the troll feeding, and red cordial fuelled doomery about how the world was going to unravel because of a flu virus in China. Sadly for the disaster pron addicts, and as I predicted, nothing of the sort has happened. They must be very disappointed.

    Oh, and the conspiracy theories. Sad. Some said that it was a genetically engineered bug aimed only at Chinese people, for reasons that remain obscure. Others claimed that the intention was to disrupt the world economy, ditto. It was claimed, luridly, that it came from dipping live rat pups in soy sauce and eating them.

    Honestly, we have not progressed an iota from the Salem witch trials, when it comes to the gullibility of the Catallaxy crowd.

  7. Armadillo

    Money doesn’t buy you love? Bullshit.

    As I said last night, even money can’t sell a shit sandwich.

    Granted, he’s a shit sandwich on a box, and people do like boxes. But it won’t be enough.

  8. egg_

    They sent Clarkson a diesel powered 850

    They may as well have sent him a tractor.

  9. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Greed is good’: Trump just pardoned the man who inspired Gordon Gekko
    By Reis Thebault
    February 19, 2020 — 2.46pm

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    Michael Milken, the Wall Street “junk bond king” who was charged with insider trading in the 1980s, was granted clemency by US President Donald Trump on Tuesday.

    A key character in the “decade of greed,” Milken helped create the market for high-yield securities, known as junk bonds, as an executive at the now-shuttered firm Drexel Burnham Lambert. He was at one point the highest-paid man in Wall Street history, and his rapaciousness made him an inspiration for Gordon Gekko, the villain in the 1987 film “Wall Street” who coined the catchphrase “Greed is good”.

    In 1990, Milken pleaded guilty to six felony counts, including securities fraud, mail fraud and aiding in the filing of a false tax return. He was fined $US600 million and sentenced to 10 years in prison at a minimum-security facility but was released after serving two years and cooperating with government investigators.

    Since emerging from prison, Milken has survived prostate cancer and remade himself as a major philanthropist, contributing millions to cancer research and public health organisations. He also founded the Milken Institute, a nonprofit think tank that focuses on economic policy.

    Before boarding Air Force One at Joint Base Andrews on Tuesday, Trump praised Milken, saying he has “gone around and done an incredible job for the world, with all of his research on cancer.”

    “He’s done this and he suffered greatly,” Trump said. “He paid a big price, paid a very tough price. But he’s done an incredible job.”

  10. Tel

    How to solve the problem of the elderly living too long?

    Corona-virus is one way … but if the Australian Chief Chief Chief is to be believed, that only works in China.

    I know the answer! Tell them to Far Cough if they turn up asking for the hospital cover that they worked for and paid for, but they don’t know the politically correct woke speak to ask for properly. That’ll fuxor grandpa!

    https://summit.news/2020/02/18/uk-hospitals-to-deny-care-to-racist-or-homophobic-patients/

  11. Lee

    calli
    #3328825, posted on February 19, 2020 at 6:26 pm

    She can look at the Obeids too.
    Oooh – Albanese and Foley are going to give evidence tomorrow.
    Guilt-by-association Milligan would love that. Wouldn’t she?

    “Guilt-by-association”, unless you’re a far left POS like Paul Bongiorno, who (unlike Pell) actually lived with the convicted child molester, Gerald Ridsdale.

  12. egg_

    840d coupé xDrive M Sport

    Is that an anagram of expensive sh1t heap?

  13. Bruce of Newcastle

    Wow, you must have been unlucky.

    Tinta is probably the type not the outlier Jo.

    In two high schools I was hated vehemently and viscerally. I was always first. But anyone who picked a fight with me lost, I have long arms and wide shoulders. I hate fighting. For one high school we had a 20 year reunion I attended. I was told by a colleague I was the only one in the class who succeeded, which wasn’t true (another lady got a PhD in the US) but was not without basis.

    I’ve not seen or heard from any of them since then.

  14. Twostix

    Arky you mediocre depressive public school teacher.
    Unlike you who seem to struggle in life and insist on telling everyone about it I’m flying. I’ve also got four children in various stages of school.

    See for me this is all real. For you it’s hypothetical.

  15. Tel

    If you want some stunningly vacuous sophistry in support of yet another round of big government interference in everything … here it is!

    https://newbooksnetwork.com/robert-h-frank-under-the-influence-putting-peer-pressure-to-work-princeton-up-2020/

    Smarten the fuck up people, we shouldn’t accept mediocrity

    Anger will likely help.

  16. Geriatric Mayfly

    Charlie Daniels: Mike Bloomberg Knows as Much About Farming as a Hog Knows About an Airplane

    Those comfort oinkers would know when they are either in cattle or business class. The swill is different for a start and there is less risk of waiting for a vacant toilet if boarded according to your station.

  17. Arky

    I’ve also got four children

    ..
    Poor them.

  18. Caveman

    The decade of Greed is poverty compared to the gabillon quadzillions of today.
    Blue horse shoe luvs Amazon ,no no luvs Tesla… or maybe windmills.

  19. JC

    I’ve been popping in for a read now and then recently, but got bored by the troll feeding, and red cordial fuelled doomery about how the world was going to unravel because of a flu virus in China.

    Another one. Irma telling the readership, we’re unworthy of her presence. This unworthy, undeserving shtick is going to become a riot if it gets a decent head of steam.

  20. Bruce of Newcastle

    Greed is good’: Trump just pardoned the man who inspired Gordon Gekko

    Tactical.

    These pardons give cover. He will pardon Flynn and Stone. Unless Flynn wins, which is possible as his judge is more or less reasonable despite being a lefty.

    Stone has no chance with Amy though. A deck that stacked would normally be kept in liquid helium.

  21. Arky

    Those four children.
    Are you paying for their education or are we?

  22. Twostix

    Wait. Wait on.

    There’s a nerve here.

    Arky.

    Little fella.

    Did you dump your one kid in daycare?

    Uhoh.

    It’s all a fraud!

  23. JC

    Milken never deserved that sentence, Bruce. Ironically, it was Giuliani who stitched him up.
    All the charges were actually made up for the case in the sense that they had never been tried out as crimes before. Milken was never charged with insider trading and the reason he pleaded guilty was because the NY prosecutorial rats were threatening to go after his brother.

    Orange Hitler did the right thing. I don’t know enough about the other dude he technically pardoned though.

  24. Arky

    You’re a sad undisciplined sack of shit, who lives in the middle of nowhere and who’s every comment stinks of inadequacy and failure.
    You had your chance to man up and meet me face to face and ran away for a day from the site.
    You are a coward and a fool.
    Your avoidance of the question tells us you send your kids to the local state high school.
    Loser.

  25. JC

    You’re a sad undisciplined sack of shit, who lives in the middle of nowhere and who’s every comment stinks of inadequacy and failure.
    You had your chance to man up and meet me face to face and ran away for a day from the site.
    You are a coward and a fool.
    Your avoidance of the question tells us you send your kids to the local state high school.
    Loser.

    Oh come on Arky, tone it down. Bruce is not as bad as you make out.

  26. Now it’s Target.
    This follows –
    Bunnings
    7 – Eleven
    Woolworths
    The ABC
    Blackwoods
    Workwear Group
    Coregas
    Greencap
    Rebel Sport
    Supercheap Auto
    BCF
    Commonwealth Bank
    Bankwest
    Michael Hill Jewellers
    MAdE, (Press Club, Gazi, Hellenic Republic and affiliated chain Jimmy Grants)
    Rockpool Restaurants
    Subway
    Endota Spa
    Coffee Club
    Jamaica Blue
    Muffin Break
    Crust Pizza
    Her fashion Box
    Sushi Bay
    Sushi 79
    Wage theft is now institutionalised in Australia.
    This is an outcome of a decline in union membership, and the consequential asymmetrical power balance between employees (particularly casual part timers and people on Visas) and corporations.
    Then, of course, there’s superannuation theft.
    According to Industry Super Australia, one-third of eligible Australian workers are being underpaid super. This is 2.4 million workers collectively having $3.6 billion a year stolen from them each year.
    No wonder Millenials are OK with socialism.
    Capitalism is ripping them off right royally…..

  27. mh

    “Our Kaitlin” needs a big time hair cut. Far too long and looks kinda stupid.

    No one can match Millie Weaver’s tits.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/JerkOffToCelebs/comments/awg0sm/i_wanna_fuck_millie_weavers_tits_so_bad_ugh/

  28. Bruce of Newcastle

    I don’t know enough about the other dude he technically pardoned though.

    Blagojevich is a total slimeball. A Democrat (but I repeat myself). I don’t know why Trump commuted his sentence.

  29. Leigh Lowe

    JC

    #3328883, posted on February 19, 2020 at 7:19 pm

    Milken never deserved that sentence, Bruce. Ironically, it was Giuliani who stitched him up.
    All the charges were actually made up for the case in the sense that they had never been tried out as crimes before.

    Yep.
    He was unapologetically selling high return – very high risk bonds, and those at the end of the pass the parcel line cracked the shits.
    FMD, it was small beer compared with the sub-prime shit 20 years later. How many big players in that got ten years?

  30. Rockdoctor

    Did some research & talked with a subcontinental type I know of he sort of confirmed what I know when it comes to Indian coals.

    Indian Coals from what I know of are very dirty and apparently pretty poor when it comes to calorific (energy) content. The most abundant are high in ash (can be as high as 30%). Also sulphur & phosphorus in sizable amounts, both impurities being very poor for steel making and have obvious pollution problems when burnt for thermal purposes. Less than 2% of coal is Tertiary age which is much better in quality till you get to the same impurities, sulphur is especially high.

    The outcrops are scattered and hard to excavate, many are underground with poor efficiency, high rates of accidents & poor infrastructure to transport.

    IMO if India goes along with banning imports it will open back up very quickly when the smogs of China become a minor nuisance with what would fall over Delhi, Calcutta and the likes. Adani would just switch to selling their Carmichael Coal to other customers until the tide changes.

  31. Arky

    Furthermore, your overblown resentment of teachers, rather than being the reaction to the silly political correctness and lack of common sense most sensible cats have to that profession, in your case indicates something else.
    Your children, like you, coward, are as thick as shit.
    Your resentment to their teachers is down to the fact that you know that they know how thick you and yours are.
    Now fuck off.

  32. JC

    Bern posted this vid a while ago. It’s a good time in the evening to accept there is a God as randomness couldn’t create this great looking woman. Perfect female form. I’m referring to the singer. Ignore the singing because she’s not so good so just mute the volume and watch.

  33. Now it’s Target.
    This follows –
    Bunnings
    7 – Eleven
    Woolworths
    The ABC
    Blackwoods
    Workwear Group
    Coregas
    Greencap
    Rebel Sport
    Supercheap Auto
    BCF
    Commonwealth Bank
    Bankwest
    Michael Hill Jewellers
    MAdE, (Press Club, Gazi, Hellenic Republic and affiliated chain Jimmy Grants)
    Rockpool Restaurants
    Subway
    Endota Spa
    Coffee Club
    Jamaica Blue
    Muffin Break
    Crust Pizza
    Sushi Bay
    Sushi 79
    Wage theft is now institutionalised in Australia.
    This is an outcome of a decline in union membership, and the consequential asymmetrical power balance between employees (particularly casual part timers and people on Visas) and corporations.
    Then, of course, there’s superannuation theft.
    According to Industry Super Australia, one-third of eligible Australian workers are being underpaid super. This is 2.4 million workers collectively having $3.6 billion stolen from them each year.
    No wonder Millenials are OK with socialism.
    Capitalism is ripping them off right royally…..

  34. johanna

    Bruce, most of my class ‘succeeded’ to the extent that they had happy and fulfilling lives. I don’t know what you mean by that term.

    About half of them went to university, which was a lot in those days (sixth form class of 1971).

    I am sorry to hear that so many Cats were unhappy at school. Perhaps a certain perpetual grumpiness was evident even then?

  35. Twostix

    Poor arky.

    Did you forget that you’re a public servant?

  36. vlad

    It’s a good time in the evening to accept there is a God as randomness couldn’t create this great looking woman.

    I had similar thoughts decades ago while watching Britney Spears on tv. How could relative perfection exist without absolute perfection?

  37. stackja

    Sydney blackouts because of inappropriate trees.
    NSW bush fires because of inappropriate trees.
    Bureaucrats seem to like inappropriate trees.

  38. Now it’s Target.
    This follows –
    Bunnings, 7 – Eleven, Woolworths, The ABC, Blackwoods, Workwear Group, Coregas, Greencap, Rebel Sport, Supercheap Auto, BCF, Commonwealth Bank, Bankwest, Michael Hill Jewellers
    MAdE, (Press Club, Hellenic Republic and affiliated chain Jimmy Grants), Rockpool Restaurants, Subway,
    Endota Spa, Coffee Club, Jamaica Blue, Muffin Break, Crust Pizza, Sushi Bay and Sushi 79.
    Wage theft is now institutionalised in Australia.
    This is an outcome of a decline in union membership, and the consequential asymmetrical power balance between employees (particularly casual part timers and people on visas) and corporations.
    Then, of course, there’s superannuation theft.
    According to Industry Super Australia, one-third of eligible Australian workers are being underpaid super. This is 2.4 million workers collectively having $3.6 billion stolen from them each year.
    No wonder Millenials are OK with socialism.
    Capitalism is ripping them off right royally…..

  39. JC

    Yep.
    He was unapologetically selling high return – very high risk bonds, and those at the end of the pass the parcel line cracked the shits.
    FMD, it was small beer compared with the sub-prime shit 20 years later. How many big players in that got ten years?

    There’s always a perp walk after a crash of recession over there. It’s in the New York City ordinance code.

    Article 5 of NYC Ord. After a crash or recession some big time fucker is going to jail.

    I saw this with my eyes walking home one evening after work. It was the early 90s and I was walking up Park Ave going home. There was some commotion outside an apartment building in the 70s (street) so I did what everyone did, which was to stop and see what the fuck was going on.

    There was a bunch of cops and tv dudes. After about 10 mins or so they walked a dude out of the building in cuffs. I asked a cop what was going on and he told me it was something to do with Wall Street. Never found out though.

  40. Thefrollickingmole

    Bruce
    One of my favourite old shows.
    Tried to find the final shootout with Jedburgh but it’s been scrubbed from YouTube.

  41. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Sydney blackouts because of inappropriate trees.
    NSW bush fires because of inappropriate trees.
    Bureaucrats seem to like inappropriate trees.

    socialists detest the bourgeoisie

  42. JC

    Zip

    Would you give her a genetic test, or take the plunge with her not having what you consider to be stray genes?

  43. Target is the latest corporation admitting to underpaying staff.
    Wage theft is now institutionalised in Oz.
    This follows Bunnings, Seven – Eleven, Woolworths, The ABC, Blackwoods, Workwear Group, Coregas, Greencap, Rebel Sport, Supercheap Auto, BCF, Commonwealth Bank, Bankwest, Michael Hill J3wellers,
    MAdE, (Press Club, Hellenic Republic and affiliated chain Jimmy Grants), Rockpool Restaurants, Subway,
    Endota Spa, Coffee Club, Jamaica Blue, Muffin Break, Crust Pizza, Sushi Bay and Sushi 79.

    Then, of course, there’s superannuation theft.
    According to Industry Super Australia, one-third of eligible Australian workers are being underpaid super. This is 2.4 million workers collectively having $3.6 billion stolen from them each year.
    No wonder Millenials are OK with socialism.
    Capitalism is ripping them off right royally…..

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    the smogs of China become a minor nuisance with what would fall over Delhi, Calcutta and the likes.

    The smogs of Delhi already have been very bad the last few years.

    High-level meeting to chalk out action plan to tackle air pollution in Delhi (18 Feb)

    Top officers of the environment department have been asked to give a presentation of their plan on how to reduce pollution levels, especially in winter months.

    Newly appointed Delhi Environment Minister Gopal Rai has convened a high-level meeting of officers on February 20 to chalk out an action plan to tackle air pollution in the national capital.

    Pollies have taken notice. It’s become an election issue!

  45. calli

    I am sorry to hear that so many Cats were unhappy at school. Perhaps a certain perpetual grumpiness was evident even then?

    Chuckle. No, Joh. I just got tired of bossy females (probably because I’m bossy too).

    As I said, they all went on to teaching. And I went on to be the boss.

    So we all got our wish in the end.

  46. Arky

    I don’t know how someone lives with the knowledge they are that much of a coward.

  47. JC

    Ladies please! It’s not that sort of blog.

  48. Target is the latest corporation admitting to underpaying staff.
    Wage theft is now institutionalised in Oz.
    This follows Bunnings, Seven – Eleven, Woolworths, The ABC, Blackwoods, Workwear Group, Coregas, Greencap, Rebel Sport, Supercheap Auto, BCF, Commonwealth Bank, Bankwest, MAdE, Rockpool Restaurants, Subway, Endota Spa, Coffee Club, Jamaica Blue, Muffin Break, Crust Pizza, Sushi Bay and Sushi 79.

    Then, of course, there’s superannuation theft.
    According to Industry Super Australia, one-third of eligible Australian workers are being underpaid super. This is 2.4 million workers collectively having $3.6 billion stolen from them each year.
    No wonder Millenials are OK with socialism.
    Capitalism is ripping them off right royally…..

  49. kaysee

    Being a Social Justice Warrior – Ultra Spiritual Life episode 88

  50. kaysee

    How to Tell if You’re Woke – Ultra Spiritual Life episode 102

  51. vlad

    I haven’t watched the video but I laugh simply at seeing the SJW has an Apple.

    Yep.

    Because Windows OS is hard. Just like math(s).

  52. stackja

    The private still angry.
    Scrolling.

  53. Thefrollickingmole

    The ABC is now capitalist according to the sacred doctrine of the angry private.
    No wonder he was placed as a tard wrangler, someone had to explain the different window flavours on the short bus.

  54. Tel

    Furthermore, your overblown resentment of teachers, rather than being the reaction to the silly political correctness and lack of common sense most sensible cats have to that profession, in your case indicates something else.

    Arky … for the record I don’t blame individual teachers for the shit system, although some teachers are no doubt better than others and in a just world there would be a selection process based on merit … but we are far from that right now.

    Like the wandering minstrel of old, the professional teacher is ripe for replacement with a convenient portable handheld device that educates and entertains at the same time. Won’t be long I suspect.

  55. Mmmyes, Top Gear in South America. Still think their finest work was Clarkson in the Bugatti Veyron racing them in the airplane.

  56. vr

    WSJ journalists expeled from China due to an op-ed piece.

  57. Snoopy

    All these corporate wage underpayments seem to have begun when the girls in payroll were replaced by HR departments.

  58. vlad

    Whenever my mates and I in the seventies wanted a giggle we’d look at the car ads in the bound volumes of Readers Digest from the sixties in the school library.

    More fools we. Those cars are now classics. The cars of the seventies – to some extent, but less so.

  59. Bruce of Newcastle

    Tried to find the final shootout with Jedburgh but it’s been scrubbed from YouTube.

    John Wick of 1985!
    “Colonel Jedburgh?” “Yes.” Blam!
    I have the full set in VHS. Dunno if the tapes are still ok but that miniseries is still one of the best bits of television ever.

  60. Thefrollickingmole

    Confused Om
    Nah about Darius Jedburgh from the BBC edge of darkness

  61. Infidel Tiger

    WSJ journalists expeled from China due to an op-ed piece.

    Let us remember how much the liberals froth over China.

    This is hilarious.

  62. Yes frollickingmole, it’s sort of capitalist in that their on air talent is paid for by the rich fruit of capitalism. As was number’s wage as a teacher.

  63. And now I enjoy the fruits of capitalism and work by scoffing a beer or 6. To you ladies and gentlemen.

  64. kaysee

    I haven’t watched the video but I laugh simply at seeing the SJW has an Apple.

    I forgot to add my 😺 with the videos.

  65. Arky

    It ran away again.
    How does it look it’s children in the eye?

  66. Cassie of Sydney

    “Capitalism is ripping them off right royally…..”

    Whereas communism just kills off people royally….

    You couldn’t make up this pervert. He is just the gift that keeps on giving.

  67. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Riiiight.
    In the words of Christine Keeler, “he would say that, wouldn’t he.”

    I thought it was Mandy Rice Davies who said that. She was always the pragmatic one of the two.
    We watched the first of the TV special on the Profumo years. I thought Steven Ward was very well done as a typical man from a lesser public school dazzled by the Eton-ites and climbing the ladder his way, a very louche chap, an osteopath not a trained doctor, who was a sleazy pimp provider of youthful pro’s for those who could use his ‘treatments’ as a cover. It was shown on The Crown that the Duke of E was one of his patients. Interesting.

    ————-

    Very important at this stage to get Catallaxy and Corona in proper perspective before the memory hole is used by some to create a very false impression of this blog’s response, as is happening already, so I see.

    There has actually been very little of the ‘conspiracy’ stuff about Corona virus peddled here. Of course some of it has been included in links, often very reputable ones, that make mention of the range of theories which will always occur in an information vacuum, some of them having more legs than others. Helen’s mouse-dipping as a sideline business of a poorly managed viral lab was not an unreasonable pathway for the ‘stuff up not a conspiracy’ if the virus ends up as coming from such a source, which on recent virology doesn’t seem as likely as some earlier analysts claimed. It is definitely a zoonotic virus.

    Zippy has done sterling work presenting for us non-Twitter users the range of pics coming out of Wuhan, not all by any means which were dismissible as fake, and may I note now that many of them were much later picked up by the MSM; thanks to Zippy I felt much more informed early on about aspects of this disease and its progress than I might have been otherwise. Catallaxy at its best, in many ways. Also the linkage to the various professional medical interpretations of what has been going on was superb here. If some people are unable or unwilling to comprehend them that is their lookout. Sometimes I have added my own summaries to assist people who want the info but don’t have the time and inclination for a long lecture.

    This pandemic may well be nipped in the bud; let’s hope so, otherwise many people will die when they could have still been living. That is the sad truth of it, and my heart and that of other decent people should surely go out to those in China who have lived through the initial, learning phase, of this disease. To dismiss their physical and emotional pain and the dislocation caused by this event is to be both mean spirited and stupid when we see how very readily a virus like this may incubate a whole cruise ship of Westerners (so not just ‘some chinks somewhere’ which is what is otherwise implied) at a very high rate, indicating a significant RO and contagious element to it. Legionella’s and aircon comes to my mind re this as a comparator for transmission, although other factors may also come into the failures of quarantine here.

    As something that has had and will have as significant an effect on Australia’s economy as the recent bushfires, which have not raised any ire re discussion of them from certain people finding the smoke a problem while others with rellies in the firing line have remained largely silent about it (me, for instance), then I think Catallaxy has done well to cover the Corona virus situation exactly as it has, with concern but not without a proper public health perspective, and with critique of Australian responses where necessary.

    Yes, I am going on a cruise in a few weeks and I have a personal interest as well as a level of professional interest in the epidemiology. But people who float in here and get dismissive because that is what they do have to be called out for it and the record put straight.

  68. Thefrollickingmole

    Black ball

    3 in front of you.
    Skimpy is of the slightly overripe variety a few tats and lots of tits.

    / first world problems

  69. JC

    I thought it was one of the D’rats key policies. Right at the top, just after Climate Change.

    Have looksee.

    Democrats took over both houses of the Virginia Legislature in November thanks in large part to voter support for gun control after mass shootings. Or so they claimed. But if they believe that, they now have some explaining to do after Gov. Ralph Northam’s restrictive gun-control proposal was shelved Monday for lack of votes.

    The bill had passed the state House, 51 to 48. But in the state Senate four Democrats joined every Republican on the Judiciary Committee to kill Mr. Northam’s so-called assault-weapons ban. The bill would have prohibited the sale of many semiautomatic firearms, as well as banned the possession of magazines holding more than 12 rounds.

    The latter would have required tens of thousands of Virginians either to surrender their legally purchased magazines or face up to a year in prison. The Democratic rout of the Democratic bill is a rebuke to Mr. Northam, who has interpreted last year’s narrow takeover of the Legislature as a license to try to impose restrictive gun laws similar to those in New York and California.

  70. First world problems indeed. Now bottoms up you filthy capitalist pigs!

  71. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am irritatingly in moderation for a post that should not be any problem to anyone. I will try again, looking for ‘bad words’ in a very simple piece.

    328942, posted on February 19, 2020 at 7:58 pm
    Riiiight.
    In the words of Christine Keeler, “he would say that, wouldn’t he.”
    I thought it was Mandy Rice Davies who said that. She was always the pragmatic one of the two.
    We watched the first of the TV special on the Profumo years. I thought Steven Ward was very well done as a typical man from a lesser public school dazzled by the Eton-ites and climbing the ladder his way, a very louche chap, an osteopath not a trained doctor, who was a sleazy provider of youthful girls for those who could use his ‘treatments’ as a cover. It was shown on The Crown that the D of E was one of his patients. Interesting.
    ————-
    Very important at this stage to get Catallaxy and Corona in proper perspective before the memory hole is used by some to create a very false impression of this blog’s response, as is happening already, so I see.
    There has actually been very little of the ‘conspiracy’ stuff about Corona virus peddled here. Of course some of it has been included in links, often very reputable ones, that make mention of the range of theories which will always occur in an information vacuum, some of them having more legs than others. Helen’s mouse-dipping as a sideline business of a poorly managed viral lab was not an unreasonable pathway for the ‘stuff up not a conspiracy’ if the virus ends up as coming from such a source, which on recent virology doesn’t seem as likely as some earlier analysts claimed. It is definitely a zoonotic virus.

    Zippy has done sterling work presenting for us non-Twitter users the range of pics coming out of Wuhan, not all by any means which were dismissible as fake, and may I note now that many of them were much later picked up by the MSM as their reportage on this virus; thanks to Zippy I felt much more informed early on about aspects of this disease and its progress than I might have been otherwise. Catallaxy at its best, in many ways. Also the linkage to the various professional medical interpretations of what has been going on was superb here. If some people are unable or unwilling to comprehend them that is their lookout. Sometimes I have added my own summaries to assist people who want the info but don’t have the time and inclination for a long lecture.

    This pandemic may well be nipped in the bud; let’s hope so, otherwise many people will die when they could have still been living. That is the sad truth of it, and my heart and that of other decent people should surely go out to those in China who have lived through the initial, learning phase, of this disease. To dismiss their physical and emotional pain and the dislocation caused by this event is to be both mean spirited and stupid when we see how very readily a virus like this may incubate a whole cruise ship of Westerners (so it’s not just a disease for Chinese people which is what is otherwise implied, perhaps wrongly by some of the tissue samples re ACE2). This cruise ship event has demonstrated a very high rate of infections, indicating a significant RO and contagious element to it. Legionella’s and aircon comes to my mind re this as a comparator for transmission, although other factors may also come into the failures of quarantine here.

    As something that has had and will have as significant an effect on Australia’s economy as the recent bushfires, which have not raised any ire re discussion of them from certain people finding the smoke a problem while others with rellies in the firing line have remained largely silent about them (me, for instance), then I think Catallaxy has done well to cover the Corona virus situation exactly as it has, with concern but not without a proper public health perspective, and with critique of Australian responses where necessary.

    Yes, I am going on a cruise in a few weeks and I have early on declared a personal interest as well as a level of professional interest in the epidemiology. But people who float in here to get dismissive because that is what they do have to be called out for doing that with very little reason and the record put straight.

  72. Bruce of Newcastle

    This one?

    Misfit – no.

    Darius Jedburgh stole about 10 kg of plutonium.
    Then set it up as a detonatable bomb in Scotland.
    MI5 wasn’t happy.
    So they sent a team.
    😀

    One of the finest bits of television ever. A tribute to Troy Kennedy Martin, who wrote it.

    There’s a copy of Episode 6 including the shootout scene on the net – see below. It’s Daily Motion, so I don’t know if it will work on the Cat.

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3hqsj7

  73. Des Deskperson

    ‘I am sorry to hear that so many Cats were unhappy at school. Perhaps a certain perpetual grumpiness was evident even then?’

    I was sorry to learn that my high school – in outer north east Melbourne – had been demolished a few years ago to make way for appartments.

    I would love to have helped smash it down.

  74. stackja

    vlad – Woke use Apple? I have never used Apple.
    Windows too hard? I don’t find it hard.

  75. Mark A

    May I interrupt for a sec?

    A man doing market research for the Vaseline Company knocked at the door and was greeted by a young woman with three small children running around at her feet. “I’m doing some research for Vaseline. Have you ever used the product?”
    She said, “Yes. My husband and I use it all the time.”
    “If you don’t mind my asking,” he said, “what do you use it for?”
    “We use it when we make love,” she said.
    The researcher was a little taken aback. “Usually people lie to me and say they use it on a child’s bicycle chain or to help with a gate hinge. But, in fact, I know that most people do use it for sex. I admire you for your honesty. Since you’ve been so frank so far, can you tell me exactly HOW you use it?”
    The woman said, “I don’t mind telling you at all. My husband and I put it on the doorknob and it keeps the kids out.”

  76. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    predictable

    The couple at the centre of a tragedy in suburban Brisbane in which their three children were killed in a car fire have been identified as Rowan and Hannah Baxter.

    Mr Baxter, who was part of the New Zealand Warriors’ NRL squad in the mid-2000s, died from his injuries in the incident that unfolded in Raven Street, Camp Hill, at about 8.20am Wednesday.

    It’s understood the couple were involved in a custody dispute

  77. stackja

    Des – my high school is now a primary school. Old late 1800s buildings gone. All new buildings.

  78. Des, I loved school. Was a prick during middle school but overall it was great. Football captain, debating, Yoof Parliament, summer school in Adelaide which introduced me to Grant’s whiskey and a lovely girl from Geelong. SRC, operettas, disco committee.

  79. vlad

    I was sorry to learn that my high school – in outer north east Melbourne – had been demolished a few years ago to make way for appartments.

    I would love to have helped smash it down.

    Every secondary school I attended – three – has closed down. I’m only sorry that the buildings remain for years 7 to 10. They’ll be demolished eventually. Would love to be there when it happens.

  80. Lee

    “Capitalism is ripping them off right royally…..”

    Whereas communism just kills off people royally….

    You couldn’t make up this pervert. He is just the gift that keeps on giving.

    I’ll take capitalism over communism or socialism any day.

    In the words of C.S. Lewis:

    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

  81. Thefrollickingmole

    That’s it about 9 minutes from the end.
    He just wants to go down fighting.

  82. Tel

    I am sorry to hear that so many Cats were unhappy at school.

    I understand this is the “Age of Seeming” … so obviously you don’t need to be sincere … but you have to work a lot harder on making it sound plausible.

    If grifting was easy then everyone would be doing it.

    See how smoothly I transitioned there? Now you try.

  83. BoN
    I saw advertised some dishes that were claimed to be “Low Boron Glass”.
    Now I know that Pyrex is borosilicate glass, and has low thermal expansion but can you give me a reason for advertising low boron glass?

  84. Cassie of Sydney

    “and we were part of a group of six un-bitchy girls.”

    Well something clearly changed.

  85. BrettW

    Clearly the crime committed here is that Greg Norman is a friend of Trump. However Numbers Trump derangement takes it further by bringing up the conscription issue yet again.

    Numbers clearly not heard of Keith Miller who served in RAAF in WW2 and continued a great cricketing career after his service. Norman not the type to have let his conscription define his life. Unlike Numbers who wants to raise it every single day.

    Numbers is living Groundhog Day just like Bill Murray in the movie. Unfortunately for us we get to see it repeated here.

    1735099
    #3328611, posted on February 19, 2020 at 3:17 pm
    Greg Norman says he is Trump’s best mate. Pity Norman was born in 1955. He might have a different view if he’d been born ten years earlier and conscripted – would have stuffed his golf game somewhat. Unlike Trump, however, he wouldn’t have been connected enough to be deferred 5 times.

  86. Anyone been to Terra Del Fuego? Looks mighty interesting

  87. Infidel Tiger

    “and we were part of a group of six un-bitchy girls.”

    We interviewed everyone else at your school and they said there were 6 complete and utter bitches at the school. Everyone hated their guts and was sure they’d end up in the public service.

  88. Boambee John

    Bunnings, Seven – Eleven, Woolworths, The ABC, Blackwoods, Workwear Group, Coregas, Greencap, Rebel Sport, Supercheap Auto, BCF, Commonwealth Bank, Bankwest, MAdE, Rockpool Restaurants, Subway, Endota Spa, Coffee Club, Jamaica Blue, Muffin Break, Crust Pizza, Sushi Bay and Sushi 79.

    Don’t forget Their ABC!!!

  89. stackja

    Zippy – Murphy’s Law continues to ruin lives.

  90. Tel

    Everyone hated their guts and was sure they’d end up in the public service

    Now now … not that kind of blog.

    OK, maybe it is that kind of blog, but we have set some aspirational targets and will be better by 2020.

    WTF?!? It is 2020 … r u kidding me?

  91. notafan

    Insincere

    Claims someone here claimed coronavirus was caused by the consumption of live newborn mice

    Uncanningly making predictions that come true, or not.

    A trifecta of smug

  92. Bruce of Newcastle

    That’s it about 9 minutes from the end.
    He just wants to go down fighting.

    I’m in the middle of rewatching the whole of Ep 6.
    Superb.

    Why can’t people do stuff like this anymore?

  93. Zyconoclast

    Check out the pic.

    She made a red swimsuit famous while starring on Baywatch in the ’90s.

    And Yasmine Bleeth kept covered up as she stepped out to walk her dog in Los Angeles on Tuesday morning.

    The 51-year-old actress sported a black hooded sweatshirt with a vibrant blue dress in a rare sighting nearly 20 years after she said goodbye to Hollywood.

  94. stackja

    BJ – ABC is different. Taxpayers.
    Who at the ABC deserve any pay?
    Others have shareholders.
    Shareholders could demand an explanation.

  95. calli

    Black Ball
    #3328963, posted on February 19, 2020 at 8:25 pm
    Anyone been to Terra Del Fuego? Looks mighty interesting

    I was there last December, Black Ball. It is. Very beautiful. We did a Cape Horn sail-by at 5am. Magic.

  96. Bruce of Newcastle

    I saw advertised some dishes that were claimed to be “Low Boron Glass”.
    Now I know that Pyrex is borosilicate glass, and has low thermal expansion but can you give me a reason for advertising low boron glass?

    Winston – I have no idea except for arcane nuclear stuff. Boron is an amazing absorbent for neutrons.

    Doubtful that would be why someone likes boron free glass though.

    Maybe it is an optical thing. I don’t know the optical issues of borosilicate vs SiO2 glass. My impression is pure quartz glass is the best optical material, but I have so totally not researched the subject. I like quartz crystals though – lots laying around at Diamond Head.

  97. vlad

    Today is Prince Andrew’s birthday. And they’re still going through the motions of whooping it up … but … dead man walking …

  98. Thefrollickingmole

    BON

    Because it allowed ambiguity by nearly everyone in it.
    Enemies being shown having dinner and socialising over the body of one of the hero’s etc…
    It actually allowed people to be awful and not provide all the answers.

    Deadwood was a more sweaty/violent version of the same

  99. 8th Dan

    Bunnings, Seven – Eleven, Woolworths, The ABC, Blackwoods, Workwear Group, Coregas, Greencap, Rebel Sport, Supercheap Auto, BCF, Commonwealth Bank, Bankwest, MAdE, Rockpool Restaurants, Subway, Endota Spa, Coffee Club, Jamaica Blue, Muffin Break, Crust Pizza, Sushi Bay and Sushi 79.

    Don’t forget Their ABC!!!

    Duuuh … define “pussy”.

  100. vlad

    Deadwood was a more sweaty/violent version of the same

    You’ve completely lost me here, Frolicking. Are you saying Deadwood was a version of Edge of Darkness?

    The what??!

  101. JC

    We interviewed everyone else at your school and they said there were 6 complete and utter bitches at the school. Everyone hated their guts and was sure they’d end up in the public service.

    Naaaa really? That’s what they said? 84 years later and the gals still recall them so vividly. Wow!

  102. Boambee John

    Duuuh … define “pussy”.

    Like a troll, but more interesting?

  103. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    s.korea

    The earlier case was confirmed on Tuesday in a 61-year-old woman known as ‘Patient 31’. She had no recent record of overseas travel but had attended church services and sought care at a hospital before being tested for the virus, the agency said.

    According to a Reuters report, at least 15 people who attended religious services with ‘Patient 31’ have tested positive for the virus.

    One other person, who came in contact with her at a hospital, has also come down with the disease.

    Hundreds of people are believed to have attended services with ‘Patient 31’ in recent weeks at a branch of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony, a religious movement founded in 1984 by South Korean Lee Man-hee, who is revered as a messiah by followers.

    On Tuesday, Shincheonji Church posted a statement on its website confirming the woman had attended services and advised its members to stay home. It encouraged members who had attended meetings on 9 and 16 February to be tested and quarantine themselves.

    “The Daegu branch has been shut down since this morning and is conducting prevention measures,” the statement said.

  104. John Brumble

    Define “pussy”?
    Anyone playing soccer for an inner-northern Sydney club and using colleagues names as pseudonyms online.

  105. johanna

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3328961, posted on February 19, 2020 at 8:24 pm

    “and we were part of a group of six un-bitchy girls.”

    Well something clearly changed.

    Bitchy comment. And she wonders why everyone hated her at school?

    My girls group was the alpha group in my year, but we were not bitchy, to each other or anyone else. I saw that fillum ‘Heathers’ and can well believe that it happens, but it didn’t happen to me.

    I’m not saying that high school was unmitigated bliss – it certainly wasn’t – but really, there are an awful lot of people here who were born curmudgeons, and apparently blame the world for it. The same ones who extol the virtues of the military, but couldn’t even deal with high school.

    I have nothing against homeschooling, done right. A few of the guys in my current fave show, Barnwood Builders were homeschooled. They have impeccable maths, and not just arithmetic, to do their job. A friend is a teacher at the Canberra Montessori school, which has excellent academic results. There is no One True Way.

    High schools are factories, but if anyone has a practical, affordable alternative (not abolish all taxes and other fairytale fantasies) – tell us about it!

  106. vlad

    Soccer is a game for girls who lack the character needed for playing hockey.

  107. feelthebern

    Yes yes….feel the dragon energy.

  108. Bruce of Newcastle

    Are you saying Deadwood was a version of Edge of Darkness?

    Dunno Deadwood but I’m massively enjoying the BBC EoD ep 6. Every moment is crafted.
    Such a good series.

  109. feelthebern

    Sinc, please ban vlad for saying such scurrilous things about soccer.

  110. vlad

    About time I went to bed. This has been a very long day.

  111. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Wuhan official vows punishment if authorities fail to halt spread
    The top official in China’s outbreak epicentre vowed to find and isolate every infected patient in the city by day’s end.

    Protective suit-clad inspectors went door-to-door to find every infected person.

    “There’s nothing more important than human life,” said Wang Zhonglin, Wuhan’s newly selected Communist Party secretary. “If a single new case is found [after Wednesday], the district leaders will be held responsible.”

  112. vlad

    Sinc, please ban vlad for saying such scurrilous things about soccer.

    You haven’t made it at the Cat until someone calls for you to be smited.

  113. Digger

    I loved 80’s Quattros. And the RS8 is nice.
    Everything else is a bit hairdresser.

    An ABT chipped S5 with 313kW and 550Nm is pretty cool too….

  114. feelthebern

    The world should be thanking China for doing such a good job containing the coronavirus.
    I’m more inclined to go to China to & spend some tourist dollars than go to the south coast of NSW where those, political, ungrateful cvnts whinged non-stop.

  115. vlad

    And that really is it for tonight. See you in the morning – if I’m still unsmited – unsmitten – whatever.

  116. Cassie of Sydney

    “Bitchy comment. And she wonders why everyone hated her at school?”

    Irma has just proven my point.

  117. notafan

    Hockey is a great game.

  118. feelthebern

    Hockey is a great game.

    Hockey ladies are the hottest.
    On par with the pole vaulters.

  119. Cassie of Sydney

    “notafan
    #3328996, posted on February 19, 2020 at 9:01 pm
    Hockey is a great game.”

    Yep…much preferred hockey to netball.

  120. candy

    It’s understood the couple were involved in a custody dispute

    The father owned or operated a gym, so I may guess roids and other drugs, psychopathy.

    I don’t think a bad custody battle leads to burning up your children, “if I can’t have them, you can’t” kind of thinking, even though grand mental themes of payback may exist in the man or woman’s mind.

  121. notafan

    Limited opportunity to play at school myself. No formal interschool competition, just a few social games.

    Did manage to get my girls playing at school and for a club.

    Much weekend driving.

  122. Cassie of Sydney

    “candy
    #3328999, posted on February 19, 2020 at 9:08 pm
    It’s understood the couple were involved in a custody dispute”

    I just can’t understand how a man could do that….to burn alive his children…where does such anger come from?

  123. Cassie of Sydney

    “Much weekend driving.”

    As my sister says…that is part of being a parent!

  124. calli

    where does such anger come from?

    I’m guessing – steroids.

  125. feelthebern

    McCain ad virtue signalling.

  126. Leigh Lowe

    I just can’t understand how a man could do that….to burn alive his children…where does such anger come from?

    New Zealand, apparently.

  127. Cassie of Sydney

    “calli
    #3329004, posted on February 19, 2020 at 9:12 pm
    where does such anger come from?

    I’m guessing – steroids.”

    Yep..and it was totally premeditated.

  128. feelthebern

    where does such anger come from?

    Climate change?

  129. mh

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3329008, posted on February 19, 2020 at 9:13 pm
    “calli
    #3329004, posted on February 19, 2020 at 9:12 pm
    where does such anger come from?

    I’m guessing – steroids.”

    Yep..and it was totally premeditated.

    Cassie, you’re just guessing.

  130. egg_

    kaysee
    #3328916, posted on February 19, 2020 at 7:42 pm
    Being a Social Justice Warrior – Ultra Spiritual Life episode 88

    BorisG?

  131. duncanm

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3329001, posted on February 19, 2020 at 9:10 pm

    I just can’t understand how a man parent could do that….to burn alive his children…where does such anger come from?

    FIFY.

  132. Mark A

    Scroll, scroll!

    A naval engagement a brief note no 620.

    U-378 was a type VII c submarine, that on the 8th of October 1943 was under the command of kptlt Erich Mader, the boat was on its 8th war patrol and was operating in the North Atlantic as part of wolfpack Rossbach.

    ORP Orkan was a M class destroyer of the Polish Navy that on the 8th of October 1943 was under the command of cdr S Hryniewiecki the vessel was part of the escort for convoy SC-143. At 07.05 hours on the 8th of October 1943 ORP Orkan was sighted by U-378 and Marder fired one Gnat torpedo at the destroyer, which hit the target causing her to sink within 5 minutes taking 186 of her crew to the bottom with her, there were 43 survivors.

  133. max

    Anyone been to Terra Del Fuego? Looks mighty interesting

    Doesn’t it. The drive down there looked fantastic. Different kind of desert to Australia. Bloody cold, though.

  134. cohenite

    “calli
    #3329004, posted on February 19, 2020 at 9:12 pm
    where does such anger come from?
    I’m guessing – steroids.”
    Yep..and it was totally premeditated.

    No ladies; a lot of middle aged guys take a little nandrolone and testosterone and no mood swings occur; if anything a greater emotional stability occurs.

    Here’s what happened here; this bastard was a hyper possessive psychopath who regarded his family as possessions and extensions of his ego. He did it because of who he was not what he was taking. And from the photo I saw the guy was not on steroids.

  135. Infidel Tiger

    I’m guessing – steroids.”

    Rood rage is an urban myth.

  136. Infidel Tiger

    Hockey is a sport for lesbians with thick ankles and no knees.

  137. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3329020, posted on February 19, 2020 at 9:49 pm

    I’m guessing – steroids.”

    Rood rage is an urban myth.

    Rood rage?
    People getting angry over archaic imperial units of measure?
    I very much doubt that too.

  138. Cassie of Sydney

    “cohenite
    #3329019, posted on February 19, 2020 at 9:48 pm”

    Agree Cohenite…..just awful, awful tragedy.

  139. Zyconoclast

    Perhaps Trump can look at this after he has finished lapping…

    Green Cards for Travel Ban Foreign Nationals Cut by Less than 5%

  140. Cassie of Sydney

    “duncanm
    #3329016, posted on February 19, 2020 at 9:36 pm
    Cassie of Sydney
    #3329001, posted on February 19, 2020 at 9:10 pm

    I just can’t understand how a man parent could do that….to burn alive his children…where does such anger come from?

    FIFY.”

    Yes…apologies.

  141. feelthebern

    Rood rage is an urban myth.

    But that’s what you blamed your erectile dysfunction on.

  142. Infidel Tiger

    His wife looked like she may have used steroids though.

    My guess is she was banging someone else at the gym.

  143. mh

    News Ltd is all paywalled, but Brisbane Times has

    The couple reportedly separated late last year and were trying to work out custody arrangements. However, they were not involved in any proceedings in the Family Court or Federal Court.

    Ms Baxter was a trampolining champion who represented Queensland for four consecutive years.

    The website said Mr Baxter had trained AFL, Super Rugby and NRL players.

    His Facebook profile featured pictures of the three children, along with comments that he “loves them to the moon and back” and “daddy misses you all”.

    Five days ago friend Joey Abraham wrote under a photo of Trey: “Chin up brother everything will work out just hang in there my bro alot of people care about you and the situation your facing (sic).”

  144. JC

    Anyone who has a Mac, what is the best malware remover?

    I have something called searchmine that’s taken over chrome google search and just can’t remove it. It’s like it’s glued into the system.

  145. feelthebern

    Ms Baxter was a trampolining champion who represented Queensland for four consecutive years.

    What the actual ?

  146. Zyconoclast

    How the ‘Interpreter’ Scam Brought 75,000 Iraqis and Afghans to America

    The latest battle over Special Immigrant Visas pitted Stephen Miller, President Trump’s senior advisor, against the Pentagon. The military brass was lobbying for 6,000 special immigrant visas for Iraqis who worked for American forces in the country. These visas were once again billed as helping “interpreters”.

    That’s a lot of interpreters considering that there were only 5,200 American troops in Iraq.

    In one decade, the United States has handed out 75,250 of these visas to Iraqi and Afghan employees, and their dependents. Between 2007 and 2017, they represented 1 percent of all immigrant visas.

  147. mh

    What’s surprising you bern?

  148. Arky

    I don’t understand how a couple can have three gorgeous children together, obviously love them and then end up like that. Hell on Earth.
    There is something sick and demonic gone wrong with our society.

  149. JC

    Mark A

    Tried it all. I’ve never bought a remover because until now I didn’t it for Mac.

  150. thefrollickingmole

    You’ve completely lost me here, Frolicking. Are you saying Deadwood was a version of Edge of Darkness?

    Nope, just the same shades of grey for a lot of the characters.
    I think there was only a couple of completely awful people, one being Ty who was an irredeemable shit.

  151. thefrollickingmole

    I don’t understand how a couple can have three gorgeous children together, obviously love them and then end up like that. Hell on Earth.

    Family court.

    Until youve seen how it can be used as a tool of persecution by the fairer sex you have no idea.

    Doesnt in any way justify what the bloke did, but exposure to lawfare will break a person.

  152. Mark A

    I’ve never bought a remover

    Don’t start now, I’m sure there are solutions.
    Worse case scenario, save all bookmarks and logins remove all traces of Chrome and I mean all traces not just uninstall, and reinstall, import the bookmarks an logins.

  153. Infidel Tiger

    I don’t understand how a couple can have three gorgeous children together, obviously love them and then end up like that. Hell on Earth.
    There is something sick and demonic gone wrong with our society.

    This is the society liberals want.

    No families, no connection, no community.

    Just endless consumption and fucking and licking any hole you can find.

  154. Just my opinion, someone who takes the lives of their children is committing the ultimate payback if you will. Look at Farquharson and Sharpe, there was hate there at their wives or in laws. Not in any way diminishing the evil that has been visited because they should be tied down, skin slit and have ants eat away at them. Just something i have thought about those that indulge in infanticide, including mothers.

  155. mh

    Mole, there were no Family Court proceedings.

  156. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Notafan at 8.32. Not too clear who is being addressed here. Problem with a fast moving blog I guess.
    ——

    One thing about my comment on school experiences – I started high school aged eleven in Feb 1954 and left aged 14 and a bit in Oct 1956. Had I stayed on I would have done my Leaving Certificate at 16 and a bit, and would have been sixteen for most of my first year at uni had such a thing been even remotely on my horizon.

    Each decade had its own peculiarities. The 1950’s were very social class conscious in its minor gradations in status often expressed by girls at school and as I found soon enough, also in the workplace. The 1950’s in some senses had more in common with Jane Austin’s ‘Emma’ than the new modernity of the 1960’s had, for many challenges were well underway to diminish such stultifying catagorisations in the somewhat inglorious but exciting 60’s when I finally got to uni aged 21. In some senses though people don’t change, they just get at each other in the same ways over different things. 🙂

    Seeing this in operation was what made Mad Men such a good series.

    As I get older I just think we should all try to be kinder to each other. Time is necessarily short and most of us should count our blessings.

    And wash our hands! 😀

  157. Bruce of Newcastle

    Are you saying Deadwood was a version of Edge of Darkness?
    Nope, just the same shades of grey for a lot of the characters.

    Just rewatched the first episode of Hitchhikers’ Guide.
    Another awesome BBC series of the eighties.
    We have lost so much.

  158. JC

    Mark

    I’ve tried that. It’s that the malware appears to be imbedded in the computer because when I uninstall Chrome completely and then install it again it doesn’t take away the malware.

    Also, why do you say I shouldn’t start using a remover?

  159. notafan

    Cassie

    Re driving

    I loved it all

    Basketball netball hockey football and everything else.

    Hockey was nearly always a bit further because games were all over that and regional bball and netball

    Great times wity my children.

  160. mh

    From the homepage of the Courier Mail, it looks like they have a video of him slamming his toddler’s head.

  161. Cassie of Sydney

    Blackball

    Agree 100%

  162. Infidel Tiger

    I see the Mum died too.

    Cant believe I am saying it, but I think that is probably for the best. She would have been in a living hell.

  163. Cassie of Sydney

    Nota…that is exactly what my sister says..

  164. mh

    IT, yes that’s breaking news.

    How tragic.

  165. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I agree with Cohenite, this guy was a deadshit killing his kids. But going through a break-up of a once loving relationship that has produced much loved children is hell on earth for both partners. I can vouch for that. Avoid it if you possibly can and know too that sometimes you can’t. Like a death, you have to work through it for years.

    The scars are keloid and run deep. Finding love again is balm to the soul, but not always for the kids even given the best will in the world.

  166. Infidel Tiger

    Business Insider
    @businessinsider
    Hackers stuck a 2-inch strip of tape on a 35mph speed sign and successfully tricked 2 Teslas into accelerating to 85mph

    https://mobile.twitter.com/businessinsider/status/1230087972420292618

  167. Mark A

    Also, why do you say I shouldn’t start using a remover?

    No special reason, just that if you managed without one so far, you should be OK, but obviously this is beyond everyday infection.

    I always look for solutions from other people who had the same problem and solved it. Of course if time is of the essence and a ready made app is available (probly from the guys who introduced the poison in the first place) then it’s a different matter.

  168. JC

    Mole, there were no Family Court proceedings.

    No, but he would have known and anticipated what the anti-man family court would do to him. This is becoming a vicious circle now. More of these shocking murders occur and the Family court becomes even more oppressive towards men.

    The trouble is that we don ‘t know who can go nuts, but we do know the anti-man family court is hugely antagonistic and provocative towards men. These murders will continue.

  169. Leigh Lowe

    Business Insider
    @businessinsider
    Hackers stuck a 2-inch strip of tape on a 35mph speed sign and successfully tricked 2 Teslas into accelerating to 85mph

    What the…?
    I would have assumed the software would have worked off GPS for vehicle location with digital maps of speed zones.
    If the car reads a sign (say temporary roadworks) it selects the lower of the sign or the digital map/GPS speed.
    Great way to bring a city to a halt. Print off a lot of signs saying “10” and hold them in front of Teslas.

  170. cohenite

    I reckon if tiny tyrant and soros disappeared half of the West’s problems with the left and alarmists would be solved.

  171. JC

    Along with divorce lawyers, which also includes you.

  172. Leigh Lowe

    Hockey is a sport for lesbians with thick ankles and no knees.

    Joe Hockey?

  173. cohenite

    I know they’re your heroes head prefect and you have trouble facing reality but sooner or later you have to let your delusions go.

  174. JC

    What the…?
    I would have assumed the software would have worked off GPS for vehicle location with digital maps of speed zones.
    If the car reads a sign (say temporary roadworks) it selects the lower of the sign or the digital map/GPS speed.
    Great way to bring a city to a halt. Print off a lot of signs saying “10” and hold them in front of Teslas.

    Just a minor hiccup along the way to full automation by 2120.

  175. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Family court.

    Until youve seen how it can be used as a tool of persecution by the fairer sex you have no idea.

    My ex went into the Family Court, convinced she was automatically entitled to half of everything I owned. It all got very snaky, when she found out that she wasn’t automatically entitled…

  176. Leigh Lowe

    I got Caroma-virus.
    Caught it off a dirty toilet seat.

  177. JC

    cohenite
    #3329066, posted on February 19, 2020 at 11:00 pm

    I know they’re your heroes head prefect and you have trouble facing reality but sooner or later you have to let your delusions go.

    Divorce lawyers are my heroes? Are you even more insane than you make out? They’re the pits. Collectively they’re worse that Uncle George and mini Mike. Obviously, you included.

  178. thefrollickingmole

    mh
    #3329042, posted on February 19, 2020 at 10:13 pm

    Mole, there were no Family Court proceedings.

    I read a facechook post saying there were proceedings underway..
    I should know better than to spot anything I read off there without checking anther source…
    Consider me chastised.

  179. notafan

    JC

    They happened before the family court.

    My ex was at primary school in the 1960s with four kids who were killed by their dad.

    In any case there is no logic to I will have limited access to my children therefore I shall burn them to death.

    It takes a special kind of monster to do this kind of thing.

    Children as personal possessions.

  180. Zyconoclast

    The Boy Scouts of America has filed for bankruptcy, according to a court document filed in Delaware bankruptcy court early Tuesday.

    The youth organization, which celebrated its 110th anniversary February 8, listed liabilities of between $100 million and $500 million and estimated assets of $1 billion to $10 billion.

  181. JC

    They happened before the family court.

    Sure, I never said it was zero before the family court was established to go after men.

  182. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    79 new infection cases with COVID19 were confirmed on the DiamondPrincess cruise ship. So far, a total of 621 people on the cruise ship have been diagnosed with coronavirus: Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare of Japan.

  183. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I hope that mum never knew what happened to her children, that she remembers only being on fire, if she remembers anything. Maybe she died in a coma. Best thing, if she was to die at all.

    People do survive such tragedies, their lives changed, the bodies and spirits broken, but the human urge to continue on is very strong, and some wonderful tales of how people may remake their lives do occur. Then too there are those who take the wrong path from a tragedy and disintegrate themselves or pursue actions that may be meaningful to them, but which may not make much sense to outside observers. Rosie Battye comes to mind and I have always felt very sorry for that woman as I sense there is much she still needs to deal with regarding the death of her son. I hope she has found her peace though, maybe she has.

  184. Arky

    Looking at the videos on the guy’s gym facebook page, looks like a cult.
    Bloody weirdos.

  185. JC

    Children as personal possessions.

    Look, in some way, Children below their middle teens are your possession in a sense. You do have a claim over them over anyone else.

  186. Mark A

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3329078, posted on February 19, 2020 at 11:08 pm

    Don’t become a Candy please, Elisabeth. (z)

  187. Leigh Lowe

    Why are they calling this clown “a former NRL player”?
    Tried out and missed out in 2005.
    Never played a game.
    Fifteen years ago.
    Maybe that was his problem.
    Stuck being a “coodabeen”.

  188. JC

    The Oz has pics of the kids and the monster. They were gorgeous innocent little kids. It’s an unspeakable crime.

  189. cohenite

    I thought I was a conveyancer.

    I’m beginning to think you are making shit up head prefect.

    Now, admit you think tiny tyrant is a great guy.

  190. BorisG

    Blagojevich is a total slimeball. A Democrat (but I repeat myself). I don’t know why Trump commuted his sentence.

    Because 14 years for essentially fraud was obviously and manifestly excessive. Because it was prosecuted by Comey et al. And because ‘politicians do this all the time’.

  191. BorisG

    Are you paying for their education or are we?

    Taxpayers pay for education of all children (except home schooled).

  192. mh

    Mole, I was using the Brisbane Times as the source. They could have been wrong and the FB post correct.

  193. JC

    I thought I was a conveyancer.

    I suggested you were a conveyance clerk. However, you did once correct me and say you are a divorce lawyer. If you were just bullshitting, then okay, you’re not and then we’re back to rates apportionment and seeing the power&gas has been turned off or back on depending on the side of the transaction you’re representing.

    But seriously, do you recall once telling me you’re a divorce lawyer? It didn’t change my very low opinion of you that’s what you’re concerned with.

  194. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I just can’t understand how a man could do that….to burn alive his children…where does such anger come from?’

    When you understand that this piece of shit wasn’t a man at all, you’re halfway there.

    They are everywhere. Fraidy tiny cocked-milquetoasts cloaked by creatine and some low-rent gym muscles and a cracking social meeja presence.

    And who have never, and will never stand in front of the genuine article because they have done, and will shit themselves. Occasionally literally.

    That brief video also demonstrates it. Pegging the kid’s bonce into the bed – not really brave, but not really bad. But the bit where he pretends to choke out his kid using ‘techniques’ he learnt watching UFC clips – some premium floggery right there.

    It was all a façade, and it crumbled when his life turned to shit. And it happens. Everyone’s life turns to shit or something close to it at some point. Most men recover, rebuild and get on with it holding their heads up.

    But no. Not Kiwi Gym Guy. He had to burn his entire family alive, and then – and only then – off himself.

    Those poor Joe Punters who tried to put the fire out and save the kids’ lives should be permitted to take to this filth’s corpse with sledgehammers.

  195. Infidel Tiger

    To kill your beautiful kids by lighting them on fire… wow, we are talking about real evil here.

    The poor people that witnessed that today will never recover.

  196. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    79 new infection cases with COVID19 were confirmed on the DiamondPrincess cruise ship. So far, a total of 621 people on the cruise ship have been diagnosed with coronavirus: Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare of Japan.

    The case load just keeps climbing up and up. Has anything been said or done about the ship’s aircon yet? I would have shut it down at the start, thoroughly disinfected it, and told people to use body warmth and blankets for heating in their cabins, and leaving the door slightly ajar at night to let fresh air enter – below zero temperatures or not. Better than getting sick.

    If our cruise ship has any indication of a flu-like sickness on board I will turning the cabin aircon off and mostly staying in our ‘stateroom’ and balcony and bringing out the masks for venturing outside, hopefully to get of asap. Regardless of any obvious sickness, my pine-o-clean wipes and Glen-20 spray will do good service around the aircon vent and on all surfaces regularly too and handwipes-r-us will be regularly done. Was talking to a friend today who says she’s been doing this on cruises for years with the Glen-20 and in hotels too. I might have saved myself a very nasty chest infection on our South American Round the Horn (Not) cruise had I taken more care, I think now, for there was an outbreak of something flu-like then too. Hairy, as usual, was blissfully unaffected by it. Luckily, Tierra del Fuego was still viewable and we had sufficient of that ends of the earth experience to feel OK about only going through the Straits of Magellan.

  197. Leigh Lowe

    My ex was at primary school in the 1960s with four kids who were killed by their dad.

    Was it this one?
    Elmer Crawford.

  198. Arky

    looking at the Facebook page:
    Weekly gym videos for years until November last year.
    Make the following assumptions:
    Three young kids, failing business, middle age and facing divorce, losing everything etc etc etc.
    No excuses for what was done, it’s a horrible, horrible thing.

  199. Cheryl

    JC right again. An unspeakable crime.

  200. Mark A

    I think cohenite’s ex wife was divorce lawyer?

    Nevertheless, he is doing a grand job at the CC front and also demolishing numbers. (not a lot required there I have to say)

  201. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Rosie Battye comes to mind and I have always felt very sorry for that woman as I sense there is much she still needs to deal with regarding the death of her son. I hope she has found her peace though, maybe she has.’

    May that filthy attention whore and accessory to murder never find peace.

    RIP Luke Batty.

  202. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The poor people that witnessed that today will never recover.

    Yes. Hard to process that one.

    Our first responders do. We should support them as much as we can.

  203. 2dogs

    Hackers stuck a 2-inch strip of tape on a 35mph speed sign and successfully tricked 2 Teslas into accelerating to 85mph

    I find this hard to believe. The systems are designed to get speed limits come from the map, not observing signs.

  204. notafan

    No LL

    But

    I’ll not tell because of known stalker.

    Crawford would have been able to claim they left but for that darn car.

    Ruined it for him.

    I read a book about him years ago

  205. Knuckle Dragger

    Incidentally, Bon Scott died on this day in 1980.

  206. notafan

    Exactly KD

    The actual victim who is a mere bit player in that drama.

  207. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3329102, posted on February 19, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    Incidentally, Bon Scott died on this day in 1980.

    Forty years?
    I am starting to warm to the “new guy” a bit.

  208. JC

    Now, admit you think tiny tyrant is a great guy.

    As a pol, no. However I do have a grudging respect for him in setting up that business and never thinking of cashing in. He had enormous self-confidence in his abilities.

    Look, I recall when the Bloombox terminal first came out and most people had two views on it. The system was incredibly good for people who traded bonds ( it was essentially a bond trading terminal at the beginning). They also suggested it wouldn’t last because Reuters would catch up and squish him like an ant.
    Eventually the Bloomberg terminal became indispensable for stocks and currencies. In those days it was a seriously amazing piece of technology. It really was and still is.

    The thing that made me take notice is that in all those years it was around, you couldn’t do anything to crack him in terms of lowering his terminal prices. He was immovable. No bank nor institution was able to break his determination to hold his price. I kind of respect that because it shows he has total confidence in his abilities and what he was selling to the market.

    Bloombox, as short as he is shouldn’t be underestimated.

  209. mh

    Great posts as always, KD.

    If I may add one tip – the quote function rather than the inverted commas would make them even better.

  210. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    They happened before the family court.

    My ex was at primary school in the 1960s with four kids who were killed by their dad.

    In any case there is no logic to I will have limited access to my children therefore I shall burn them to death.

    It takes a special kind of monster to do this kind of thing.

    Children as personal possessions.

    push anyone hard enough and they will snap. the article mentioned that she had withdrawn the children from him, probably on advice of lawyers. its a standard trick before a family report, make the kids not use to being around dad. the family report will note awkwardness, the judge will use that to decide custody. my ex did it to me. she has probably been provoking him for months, again on the advice of lawyers so that bad reactions can be documented. ex did that to me as well and it went on for a whole year. by the end of it I was ready to kill someone. the first would have been her lawyers, but in the end I kept it together, just.

    the system is easy to rort and is heavily biased against men.

    this woman now has to live the rest of her life, physically and mentally scarred knowing she could have avoided it all.

    the left has weaponised women’s hypergamous behaviour. might sound heartless but I have zero sympathy for her.

  211. I want to post something of comedic value but after the news of the bloke torching his family alive, it’s a moot exercise. I am seperated from the mother of my children but never would I stoop so low. Myself personally yes I have had dark thoughts but that means kids without their Dad.

  212. Knuckle Dragger

    The new guy’s had his moments LL.

    But he’s never screamed his guts out on a flatbed going down Swanston Street.

    … ..

    Choking to death on your own vomit and being too stupendously pissed to notice.

    Every man’s dream.

  213. JC

    Fellas bat off Batty. Sinc scrubbed that stuff one time before.

  214. Zyconoclast

    Buying Russian helicopters could bring sanctions, US warns
    After meeting his Mexican counterpart, Russia’s foreign minister said Mexico was considering the purchase

  215. Mark A

    Black Ball
    #3329109, posted on February 19, 2020 at 11:35 pm

    I want to post something of comedic value but after the news of the bloke torching his family alive,

    Same her BB, funnies have their place and it’s not tonight.

  216. mh

    Zippy, the mother died tonight in hospital.

  217. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I am seperated from the mother of my children but never would I stoop so low.’

    I would venture to suggest that this is because it’s not all about you BB, and that you realise this due to you not being a shallow, selfish coward.

    Stand by for a cavalcade of ‘tributes’ in the obits from all this flog’s acquaintances and family. ‘Great guy, great father, life of the party, best bloke in the who world ever.’

    ‘Except for that bit about burning his family alive.’

  218. Knuckle Dragger

    *whole world*

    Penis banner.

  219. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Don’t become a Candy please, Elisabeth.

    Why not? A little common humanity doesn’t hurt occasionally. Candy is often spot on about this. All political views aside, life is as JC notes, very hard at times for everyone and recognizing that things are difficult and not necessarily handled well is OK in my book. Without going all soft on behaviours, for example about what is a pattern or trend to be avoided or what is simply an uncontrolled self-indulgent selfish blue-haze fit of thwarted angry madness such as shown by jerry-can man. He broke, utterly and completely.

  220. Mark A

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3329116, posted on February 19, 2020 at 11:40 pm

    Penis banner.

    It does get irritating but that’s the reason it’s still up.
    The Doomlord is a cruel master.

  221. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘If I may add one tip – the quote function rather than the inverted commas would make them even better.’

    Fair comment and duly noted, mh. This would of course mean that I need to do some research.

    I’ll consult Liability Bob in the morning, but I fear that following his guidelines will just result in a change of font.

  222. jupes

    Incidentally, Bon Scott died on this day in 1980.

    RIP the great man.

    Second best rock singer of all time.

  223. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Myself personally yes I have had dark thoughts but that means kids without their Dad.

    And you without your life, Black Ball, and all of the joys you can still experience.
    To say nothing of us here without you, filling us in on the finer points of lawn bowling.
    And on being just another Australian guy around the place. 🙂

  224. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Second best rock singer of all time

    Be interested in your views on who was the best.

  225. Leigh Lowe

    But he’s never screamed his guts out on a flatbed going down Swanston Street.

    Held the record for the craziest bloke to drive down Swanston St in any vehicle.
    Then along comes Jimmy Gargasoulos …

  226. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    ‘Rosie Battye comes to mind and I have always felt very sorry for that woman as I sense there is much she still needs to deal with regarding the death of her son. I hope she has found her peace though, maybe she has.’

    her campaign is entirely a selfish act to absolve herself of any responsibility, but deep down she knows she had a major part to play. let her suffer

  227. Leigh Lowe

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    #3329123, posted on February 19, 2020 at 11:52 pm

    Second best rock singer of all time

    Be interested in your views on who was the best.

    Phil Everly.
    Or was it Don?

  228. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Well, let’s have something cheerful then, like Corona Virus.

    Actually, I don’t want that either. What we need is Steve Tickler to give us a locomotive.
    Everyone just loves those. 🙂

    Come on Steve. Give us a song instead.

  229. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    And what I need is to be in bed before midnight.

    My immunity demands it.

  230. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Be interested in your views on who was the best.’

    Carl Williams.

  231. jupes

    Be interested in your views on who was the best.

    Jagger of course.

  232. Mark A

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3329125, posted on February 19, 2020 at 11:54 pm

    her campaign is entirely a selfish act to absolve herself of any responsibility,

    Careful Zippy and others, our compassion according to our betters needs to be directed to the survivors.
    Wrong as they were and facilitated the outcome but ‘compassion’.

  233. Infidel Tiger

    Chinese travel agents are marketing bespoke “14-day, 13-night” packages to third-country transit destinations to help Chinese ­students enrolled at Australian universities get around the federal government’s coronavirus ban for as little as $2700 each.

    Agents said the packages, which are being micro-targeted on Chinese social media, are selling well, as almost 65,000 Chinese students look for ways to get around the federal government’s travel ban on all non-Australian citizens and non-permanent ­residents coming from mainland China. “Thailand and Malaysia are the top two choices. Next is Cambodia,” said an education agent in Beijing.

    A complete ban on all Chinese entering Australia is needed.

    Lock them out.

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