Tuesday Forum: February 18, 2020

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  1. Arky

    What we need is Steve Tickler to give us a locomotive.

    ..


  2. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3329131, posted on February 19, 2020 at 11:58 pm

    ‘Be interested in your views on who was the best.’

    Carl Williams.

    Bwah ha ha ha ha.
    “Aspiring rapper”.
    Cut down in his prime like Elvis, Big Bopper, Kurt Cobain, Jeff Buckley and Jamie Redfern.

  3. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3329131, posted on February 19, 2020 at 11:58 pm
    ‘Be interested in your views on who was the best.’

    Carl Williams.

    I think you mean Andy Williams.
    Hard-rockin’ cable knits and cardigans.

  4. Mark A

    OK then Arky brake up the doom an gloom

  5. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    deep down she knows she had a major part to play. let her suffer

    Whatever she has done since that we may disagree with as unhelpful to the situation she was dealing with, which was a mentally ill partner, I don’t think her choices were easy to make, and as for letting her suffer, I am sure that is happening daily and my hope is that it can end for her sometime with a clearer view of what one can and can’t do with a madman as your child’s father. She is being misled re ‘domestic violence and male violence’. It is regarding psychotic illness that the public awareness needs to be raised, for as a society we have lost our way by not separating and treating the floridly mentally ill, insisting on keeping them in some idealized idea of ‘the community’ when they are clearly in need of longer-term kindly restraints.

  6. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am in bed.

    No, I’m not. But I should be.
    Good night all.

  7. JC

    People here seem to have fond recollections of Tony Abbott. Brandis was his choice for AG. Remember that.

    Government MPs are sounding the alarm ahead of two High Court vacancies amid concerns judges hand-picked by former ­attorney-general George Brandis have ventured into judicial activism, straying from a “black letter approach to constitutional ­interpretation”.In a 4-3 split last Tuesday, the High Court delivered a landmark ruling that found Aboriginal ­people — even those born overseas — could not be considered “aliens” under the Constitution and ­deported on character grounds.

    The decision has shocked the government, fuelling concerns about who should fill the vacancies of judge Geoffrey Nettle, who retires in December and Virginia Bell, set to depart next March.

    Three of the four majority who voted in the decision last week — judges James Edelman, Michelle Gordon and Geoffrey Nettle — are Coalition appointees, which has emerged as a sore point for many government MPs.

  8. Knuckle Dragger

    Stupid Dyke News (the Hun):

    ‘Moana Hope says it’s time to stamp out homophobia in football, revealing she hasn’t attended an AFL match in three years.

    ‘Star forward Hope, who played AFLW for the Magpies and Kangaroos, has detailed how abusive taunts from fans have left her frightened and triggered bouts of anxiety.

    ‘Describing one attack while she was playing for Collingwood against Fremantle in 2017, Hope said a fan followed her from behind the fence, calling her a “stupid dyke”.’

    ‘one attack’?

    Stupid dyke is triggered by being identified as a stupid dyke. A perfect encapsulation of the ‘please applaud my non-existent ability’ that is the AFLW.

    What is that horrible fan had called her a ‘stupid breeder’? The rending of garments would be epic.

  9. Mark A

    Posting some mild pics just the same, while I disagree with some of the soppy (no apology) sentiments here.

  10. Knuckle Dragger

    *What if that*

    As soon as you hit ‘post’, you see it.

    The penis banner. Sigh. Looong day. Farter time.

  11. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    And while I am not in bed, some good support services for men undergoing the anguish of having a woman up and remove their children from them should be more readily available. Many tragedies might be averted. Ideally, a shared care arrangement should be automatically in place when such separations occur. Who is to say that the mother is more capable than the father in the immediate situation? Let them find a workable share arrangement immediately or the kids go into temporary State care. That would bring a few warring sides to their senses.

    All arguments to the contrary can be presented later.

  12. Steve trickler

    Goodnight, Lizzie.



  13. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Soppy is as soppy does, Mark A, you old grump.

    I enjoy your pics, but. 🙂

  14. Mark A

    old grump.

    17 years your junior please.
    Nite Lizzy.

  15. From The Age
    “Landmarks across Melbourne – such as the Arts Centre, Flinders Street Station and Melbourne Town Hall – will also be lit in the red and gold colours of the Chinese flag this Friday as part of a campaign to show solidarity with Chinese Victorians”.

    Aren’t Chinese Victorians Australian ? Wonder how those from Hong Kong who came to Oz to get away from the red and good will think about that.

  16. Infidel Tiger

    From The Age
    “Landmarks across Melbourne – such as the Arts Centre, Flinders Street Station and Melbourne Town Hall – will also be lit in the red and gold colours of the Chinese flag this Friday as part of a campaign to show solidarity with Chinese Victorians”.

    I think we know who owns the Victorian ALP.

    This is outrageous.

  17. Infidel Tiger

    Australian landmarks bathed in the Communist Chinese flag to support supposed Australian citizens who are really Chicom sleeper agents affected by a virus made in a Chicom lab designed to kill westerners.

    What a country!

  18. From The Daily Mail. Trump should be careful about not losing Barr due to his sometimes inappropriate tweeting.

    “Three officials inside the Trump White House told The Washington Post on Tuesday that Barr is considering tendering his resignation if the President does not curb his social media use”.

  19. Infidel Tiger

    Andrews and his cabinet should go to Wuhan tomorrow.

    Spend a good few weeks there visiting hospitals and shaking lots of hands. Maybe a couple of bat meals too.

  20. BorisG

    Australian landmarks bathed in the Communist Chinese flag to support supposed Australian citizens

    I have no problems supporting Chinese Australians and even Chinese in China suffering from this disaster but I am against raising PRC flag as I do not support the commits government.

    who are really Chicom sleeper agents affected by a virus made in a Chicom lab designed to kill westerners.

    Here we enter the realm of total Fact free bullshit. To put it mildly. Keep your idiocy going for amusement of visitors.

  21. Zatara

    “Three officials inside the Trump White House told The Washington Post on Tuesday that Barr is considering tendering his resignation if the President does not curb his social media use”.

    Then they picked up their rakes and got back to work.

  22. Tintarella di Luna

    her campaign is entirely a selfish act to absolve herself of any responsibility, but deep down she knows she had a major part to play. let her suffer

    Zippy, her suffering was assuaged (unsuccessfully I might say) by the ‘all-men-R-bastards’ campaign. A campaign conveniently and enthusiastically promoted and aided by the media and by the evil do-gooders hell-bent on smearing all men as violent wife-beating child killers. (Sorry about all the hyphens)

    Rosie Batty was suffering and is still suffering for the very reason you say. Deep down she knows she was responsible for the death of her son and all the campaigning, lauding and applauding does not change that in any way.

  23. Tom

    David Rowe’s Trump dementia accidentally turns the corner: he had fun drawing him yesterday.

  24. OldOzzie

    Thanks Tom,

    as an economy class flyer ( I am a Cheapskate and would prefer to spend the money saved over a 22 hour flight on more enjoyable things) – Michael Ramirez.

  25. OldOzzie

    Bill Shorten short-changed at Malcolm Turnbull’s dinner party

    Alice Workman
    Strewth Editor

    Malcolm and Lucy Turnbull hosted a consolation meal at their Sydney mansion for Bill Shorten last year, but only splashed out for a $17 bottle of vino. The story goes that Turnbull got on the blower after Scott Morrison’s miracle in May and suggested a dinner party next time Shorten was in town so the unlikely friends could break bread over common enemies (we assume it’s a long list including successors Morrison and Anthony Albanese). On the

    way to Point Piper, Shorten stopped at a bottle shop and forked out $100 for two nice bottles of red and white. A friend advised the former Labor leader that protocol dictates the guest bring a bottle as a gift and then the host dips into the cellar for some of the good stuff.

    Remember, during his time as prime minister Turnbull curated a taxpayer-funded collection of over 370 bottles, worth close to $9000. As expected, Shorten’s bottles were promptly put in the cupboard and Turnbull placed a different drop on the table. Assuming it was a wine to remember, Shorten memorised the label. By all accounts the trio had a delightful dinner with many laughs. In the cab home, Shorten googled the Turnbulls’ wine and found it on special for $17 at Dan Murphys. Strewth confirmed the tall tale, first told by Turnbull impersonator and Triple M host Lawrence Mooney on Monday, with sources. Our spies wouldn’t name the wine, saying only that it was similar to budget bottle Annie’s Lane. Turnbull is estimated to be worth around $200m. So why the bottom-of-the-barrel bottle? Is he a touch of a tight-arse or did he not think Shorten had the palate to appreciate his plonk?

  26. OldOzzie

    Alice Workman
    Strewth Editor

    Bottle brushed

    Bad news for ScoMo’s cellar — Clonakilla is dumping its 2020 vintage after the summer’s “unacceptably high levels of smoke taint”. The Prime Minister has the Canberra winery’s O’Raida Shiraz 2016 ($34.53), Hilltops Shiraz 2015 ($26.35) and Viognier Nouve 2018 ($23.31) in good supply at The Lodge, according to government audit reports released this month. Clonakilla’s chief winemaker, Tim Kirk, said they were forced to make the “painful decision” after meetings with grape suppliers “across all varieties and vineyard sites” in NSW and taking stock of its own in Murrumbateman. But Kirk assures wine lovers that the Clonakilla’s cellar door has plenty of its 2018 and 2019 vintages, so “we will not run out of wine”.

    Rethinking drinking

    A councillor in Nillumbik — just over an hour’s drive out of Melbourne — is pushing for a ban on booze before council meetings. Teetotal Peter Clarke claimed drinks at the taxpayer-funded dinners (“a few” glasses of wine or beer) were “impacting on decision making”. “Council has had an open-bar policy for many years and it’s always been a bit unusual to me,” Clarke told the Herald Sun. “As governance demands higher standards I’m taking the view there should be no alcohol before council meetings.” Unsurprisingly, Clarke’s motion was not a hit with his peers, who claimed they were adults and “responsible enough” to handle their liquor.

  27. OldOzzie

    Jo Nova – Coronavirus demographics — very much a risk for older people and the strange split in severe case rates 0 – 15%

    The all important rates of progression to severe cases is spread from zero to 15%

    Adjusted for the eight day delay in progression to severe symptoms, the number that keeps coming back is strangely split at close to zero, or an unappealing 14% — Singapore has 4 severe cases out of the 28 it had on Feb 11th. (14%) Hong Kong had 49 cases on Feb 11th, and 7 have progressed to severe or critical. 14%. In Japan there were about 28 cases a week ago, and 4 of those are severe. (14%). The Diamond Princess cases: 15% severe (see below).

    But in many places the news is good. South Korea is interesting, with 46 cases and still none classed as “severe”. Fifteen of those cases are only one day old, so don’t count, but 28 of those cases are eight days or more after diagnosis. This is encouraging. As is the lack of any “severe” progression in Australia (only five active cases left) and in the US, Germany, and France (apart from one death of a Chinese man, ten of the other cases are now at least ten days old and haven’t progressed.) Taiwan, likewise, had 18 cases a week ago, and apart from one death, none of the others have progressed to severe.

    Why the disparity? Statistical fluke perhaps (South Korea only needs 4 severe cases to put it in the same category as Singapore et al)? Otherwise, genes, culture, diet, weather, hospitals and medical systems? Or possibly some strains of the virus may be evolved to be nicer already.

    The Diamond Princess: — it ain’t over yet:

    On Feb 11th there were 135 cases. Today there are 542, with 20 being severe. So about 15% of cases progress to serious (20/135). We don’t know the ethnic or genetic breakdown, though we can guess the rates are higher because of the demographic spread. Cruise ships probably have few people from 0 – 40 years old.

    Since there were another 88 new cases today that tested positive, clearly Cruise-ship-quarantine is a bad plan. There are fears that the Diamond Princess may yet spark a global spread:

    With people aboard hailing from more than 50 countries, the end of the quarantine raises worries the vessel could become the source of a fresh wave of global infections.

    Undoubtedly these 88 new cases will not be the last new cases, and though the US, Australia, Canada, South Korea and other nations are wisely insisting on a further two weeks of proper quarantine, but Japan is not, and the Netherlands didn’t either. With 76 cases already inside Japan (presumably not former passengers of the cruise) they have apparently given up containment.

  28. Porter

    How sicko is this? Politicians rejoicing, heartened that doctors killed more people than anticipated. https://www.msn.com/en-au/video/sport/victorian-euthanasia-figures-released-for-the-first-time/vp-BB109gnJ
    Yes this is Australia 2020. Victoriastan to be precise.
    God how evil

  29. bespoke

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3329115, posted on February 19, 2020 at 11:39 pm
    ‘I am seperated from the mother of my children but never would I stoop so low.’

    I would venture to suggest that this is because it’s not all about you BB, and that you realise this due to you not being a shallow, selfish coward.

    Yep. Not helped by the popularity of shows that make out life to be one long drama and normalizing offloading your problems onto others. Social media also devalues yet another word turning ‘friends’ into a competition for likes rather then a quest for quality as it should be.

  30. Mater

    8th Dan
    #3328830, posted on February 19, 2020 at 6:30 pm

    Farsical … 1735099 is a better man than you are, and far too generous than you deserve.
    You are in fact a lying piece of shit.

    Good morning, Dan.
    I hope the new morning finds you well.

    It’s good instructional technique (and accepted best practice) to revisit the previous day’s lessons in order to help retention and consolidate knowledge. With this in mind, and the fact that it’s quiet here on the blog, let’s run over what we learnt yesterday.

    Let’s get started…

    This Open Thread that I’m now typing on, is, in fact, the same Open Thread we were typing on yesterday. A new Open Thread has not been open since.

    So (in response to your exceptionally ‘mature’ post), if I was to say that you called me “a lying piece of shit” on this OT, I would, in fact, be correct – despite your post being dated February 19, 2020 and this post being dated February 20, 2020. Consequently, it wouldn’t factually be correct to call me “a lying piece of shit” for doing so.

    When we apply this new found (and wondrous) knowledge to Bob’s little faux pas (and I thank you again for the opportunity to repost it – I’m sure Bob thanks you, too), we find that he was, in fact, lying and that perhaps I, in fact, am not a “lying piece of shit”.

    1735099
    #3327150, posted on February 18, 2020 at 10:30 am

    Now this is funny.
    Just did a word search for “Vietnam” on the last page of this site.
    It comes up 23 times.
    I have not posted about the issue at all on this OT.
    Who is obsessed?

    But…

    1735099
    #3325880, posted on February 17, 2020 at 8:06 am

    The lunatics who “kill and thieve” are largely those from the Right of the political spectrum.
    I’ll cite you two very clear examples, one goes back 50 years – the other is more recent.
    In the 60s and 70s, a Coalition government killed 500 Australians by sending them to fight a war in peacetime on foreign soil, which was irrelevant to most Australians, and by the time the whole shameful episode was through, condemned by them.

    I do recognise that you noticed the differing dates. A big well done to you. So far very impressive.
    You seem to have overlooked that Bob referred to “this OT”, he didn’t actually refer to a day or date. Not to worry, though, it’s kinda tricky stuff when you’re just starting out. You’ll get there in the end.

    Here endeth the lesson. I hope it’s helped.
    May the skins in your basement always remain supple.

  31. Zippy:

    her campaign is entirely a selfish act to absolve herself of any responsibility, but deep down she knows she had a major part to play. let her suffer

    Yep.
    Another vicious cow who played head games thinking he wouldn’t snap, then one day she goes too far.
    Far too many of this type around.
    Not fooled by crocodile tears either.

  32. Cassie of Sydney

    “Deep down she knows she was responsible for the death of her son and all the campaigning, lauding and applauding does not change that in any way.”

    Absolutely. She has always been a disgrace….and rather thank slinking off into permanent anonymity…she recently joined in the hysteria against Arndt.

    And as Cassie Jaye said…when interviewed on that vacuous programme which has that Muesli Brotherhoood sympathiser on it….it was the son who was the victim….not the mother….yet remember how Jaye was howled down, smeared, screamed at and so on.

    I despite RB…..utterly despite her.

  33. Cassie of Sydney

    “Here endeth the lesson. I hope it’s helped.
    May the skins in your basement always remain supple.”

    Mater…he prowls at night looking for new skins.

  34. Porter

    I agree RB is a cow. Suffering, but still a cow.

    But this psycho Baxter guy? My god. What evil. But hey it’s only Izzy that gives the NRL a bad name.

  35. bespoke

    Mater…he prowls at night looking for new skins.

    I have concerns for numberwangs safety.

  36. calli

    push anyone hard enough and they will snap.

    There’s “snapping” and then there’s murder. Even poorly adjusted people would baulk at murder, or even violence. It takes a uniquely depraved individual to give in to the temptation to murder their children.

    I disagree that Batty was responsible. The thing with the bat was responsible. He planned his revenge and took it.

  37. calli

    Yes. An “own goal” Mater. Malice makes mistakes.

  38. calli

    On my guess at steroids being to blame – on reflection, I was wrong. The mystery of evil can’t be explained so easily.

  39. Mater:

    May the skins in your basement always remain supple.”

    *Snork*

  40. Cassie of Sydney

    “I disagree that Batty was responsible. The thing with the bat was responsible. He planned his revenge and took it.”

    Yes but just watch the usual suspects politicise the ghastly events yesterday and use it to smear all men……ooops I’ll just clarify that….to smear all white men…..you know because toxic masculinity is so very racially specific….only white men suffer from it.

  41. Farmer Gez

    Leak for me today by a mile Tom.
    I’ve had a lot to do with kids in need overseas and Leak catches the concocted and trivial concerns of our pampered shits beautifully.

  42. Bruce of Newcastle

    Paul Krugman asks a question:

    Have Zombies Eaten Bloomberg’s and Buttigieg’s Brains? (NYT, 17 Feb)

    It’s ok Paul, if they put on pussyhats it’ll cover up the hole.

  43. Court in London hears an allegation that Julian Assange was offered a presidential pardon if he agreed to say that Russia was not involved in leaking Democratic party emails.

    Entirely likely.
    And our spineless government turns a blind eye.

  44. Mater

    Malice makes mistakes.

    That’s a good one, Calli.
    I’ve never heard that one before. How very true.

  45. It’s past time to nationalise Boeing before they kill anybody else.
    They’ve been effectively propped up by successive administrations for years.

    Embattled US aviation giant Boeing is facing another issue with its grounded 737 MAX series, as the aeroplane manufacturer works to get the aircraft series in the air again.

    Foreign object debris was found in fuel tanks of some of the aircraft during maintenance work while they were being kept in storage, Boeing said on Tuesday.

    This led to a comprehensive internal investigation and immediate corrective measures to the production system, according to the manufacturer.

    Boeing has a backlog of 737 MAX airliners which cannot be delivered because the jet series was grounded in March 2019 after two crashes with a total of 346 fatalities.

  46. Entropy

    Shorten stopped at a bottle shop and forked out $100 for two nice bottles of red and white. A friend advised the former Labor leader that protocol dictates the guest bring a bottle as a gift and then the host dips into the cellar for some of the good stuff.
    Remember, during his time as prime minister Turnbull curated a taxpayer-funded collection of over 370 bottles, worth close to $9000. As expected, Shorten’s bottles were promptly put in the cupboard and Turnbull placed a different drop on the table. Assuming it was a wine to remember, Shorten memorised the label. By all accounts the trio had a delightful dinner with many laughs. In the cab home, Shorten googled the Turnbulls’ wine and found it on special for $17 at Dan Murphys. Strewth confirmed the tall tale,

    On the one hand this tale had to have come from Shorten himself
    On the other hand the plonk must have tasted alright as he thought it good until he googled it.
    The gripping hand is this tale and its telling reveals both are status conscious scum with no taste or even social skills.

  47. duncanm

    Thanks Tom,

    Patrick Cross may have actually done a US funny that I appreciate.

    I generally find all the US comics too explanatory.

  48. duncanm

    If Shorten had an ounce of respect for his voters, he would have taken a longneck for himself and a $5 cleanskin for the hosts.

  49. Eyrie

    Regarding the Paranoia Stakes: Could the Kung flu, targeted at Chinese/Asians be a precursor to its nasty cousin which kills everyone and to which the Kung Flu confers immunity?

  50. calli

    The wine story is a window on the characters of those involved. Who on earth would worry about it, let alone leak it to the papers? We’ve all been there and chalked it up to experience with a wry smile.

    Shorten is a small man. And so is the Turd, for not serving the gift to his guest.

  51. Eyrie

    I don’t think anyone should be evacuated by the Australian Government. If you as an individual go OS and come down with something or have an accident, you are on your own or relying on your travel insurance. Just because there are a number of people involved should not change things.

  52. Eyrie:

    Regarding the Paranoia Stakes: Could the Kung flu, targeted at Chinese/Asians be a precursor to its nasty cousin which kills everyone and to which the Kung Flu confers immunity?

    A not unusual plot in some thrillers. It had already crossed my mind.

  53. Cassie of Sydney

    “calli
    #3329230, posted on February 20, 2020 at 7:25 am
    The wine story is a window on the characters of those involved. Who on earth would worry about it, let alone leak it to the papers? We’ve all been there and chalked it up to experience with a wry smile.

    Shorten is a small man. And so is the Turd, for not serving the gift to his guest.”

    Yep….but Shorten comes out of this looking worse….pretty low and cheap point scoring. Somehow I doubt that he and Chloe will be getting another invitation to the Turd’s house again….and serves the Turd right….his whole shtick has been to snub, blight and undermine the Liberals. And I wonder if the Turd has invited Scott and Jenny or Tony and Margie to his house for dinner since the election? I already know the answer.

  54. Knuckle Dragger

    Raining in Darwin before 6.00 a.m. Tick.
    Coffee. Smoke. Bit of a scratch and a look round. Tick.
    Observe Leak’s picture of fat kid Dennis on the bean bag.

    great big 150 point Gothic font, so big you have to drag it around behind the ute tick.

  55. Knuckle Dragger

    Porter:

    ‘But this psycho Baxter guy? My god. What evil.’

    Some time back, a fat lifetime loser called Robert Farquharson, on Father’s Day 2005, drove his car into a dam in Gippsland. Securely strapped into the back were his three sons. To my shame I can’t remember the name of one son, but the other two were named Bailey and Tyler, the youngest being two.

    Farquharson got of the car once water was over the roofline, walked to the nearest house and asked the occupants if they had any smokes. The three boys drowned.

    At the time I was in the same line of work but in Flemington, and I had a convo the next morning with a colleague. The universally accepted line of thought in my office was that if you’re a father, and you somehow manage to drive into a dam with your kids in the car, one of two things will happen:

    1. You get out, along with all of your kids; or
    2. Nobody gets out.

    Frankly I couldn’t give a fuck what excuse eventually gets trotted out as apologia for this thankfully-dead piece of shit. And there will be excuses. ‘Oooooh, mental elf. Ooooo, his marriage was ending. Ooooo, he must have had the demons.’

    I don’t care how Radio Rental you are, or think you are. Kill your OWN CHILDREN because things are happening to YOU and every trace of your existence should be erased. With fucking sledgehammers.

  56. Johno

    Just reading back to Old Ozzies post about the Murrumbateman wineries. Confirmed, this has to be the worst grape killing season evah. Three months of smoke during a drought, then torrential rain, then hail, no need for grape pickers this season. Extremely uncertain industry but very profitable if you get a good year.

  57. OldOzzie

    Bill Shorten short-changed at Malcolm Turnbull’s dinner party

    Old Sailor Man
    43 minutes ago
    (Edited)
    I am a well known wine connosieur. On a sunny day, without sunglasses, I can sometimes tell if I’m drinking red or white.

    Grassy
    45 minutes ago
    Thankfully Bills meat pie was hot or there could’ve been trouble!

    Edoardo
    1 hour ago
    One doesn’t get to keep one’s multimillion bank account intact by wasting good wine on yobs.

    and finally

    R
    1 hour ago
    I drink a $13-$18 Australian Shiraz that walks all over the Grange etc. In fact the same label was drunk not that long ago, amongst some very experienced wine drinkers, hidden in tin foil, against two French wines, first growth French Bordeaux, Premier Grande Cru, (only five select wines in this category). And the winner was the Australian wine. Price is not a final measure of quality.

  58. Mater

    1. You get out, along with all of your kids; or
    2. Nobody gets out.

    Yep, like this guy:

    Father, sons die in wharf tragedy

    That it even needs to be said, reflects the ongoing debasement of our gender.

  59. Eyrie

    That jet pack guy that Trickler posted yesterday can now takeoff from the ground and transition to wing borne flight. I want to see him go from wing borne to jet lift and land not using the parachute he used in the video.

  60. Narwhal Tusk

    Turdbull probably assumed Shortarse’s red was cheap shit so got even with the same.
    Indeed Calli, a window on their characters.

  61. Knuckle Dragger

    Shorten being painted as a victim.

    Goodness me.

  62. calli

    Why oh why do we have Terri Butler commenting on the Baxter murders?

    And directing people disturbed by the act to seek counselling?

  63. Cassie of Sydney

    “Knuckle Dragger
    #3329241, posted on February 20, 2020 at 7:51 am”

    Well said KD….I read the book about that rodent Farquharson….by Helen Garner…..called “This House of Grief”….one of the most poignant and painful books I have ever read in my life. Garner…..yes she’s a lefty…but boy can she write….one of our best writers….she writes so succinctly, so brilliantly and so poignantly. Farquharson should have been executed for that crime….it was totally premeditated. ..done to spite his ex…….Farquharson was and remains a thoroughly weak and spineless male.

  64. Narwhal Tusk

    Everyone is a victim of Turdbull.

  65. Candy

    I don’t know if that Shorten wine story is believable. It sounds contrived.

  66. Knuckle Dragger

    Physical employment standards for chicks.

    I was having a discussion yesterday with somebody on this subject, and he raised a point I’d never thought of.

    Boiled down to its essence, the point was – historically, chicks with few exceptions have sat around the house and effectively done nothing in terms of physical work, which was the domain of blokes. Therefore, physically they weren’t up to some aspects of certain jobs that require an element of physical strength.

    In today’s brave new world, two things have changed. One, chicks are far more ‘sporty’ than ever before. Witness the (admittedly laughable) rise of womens’ sports such as AFLW, crikkit and so on where the establishment, largely comprised of chicks themselves argue that they should be paid the same as the blokes because they’re stronger, fitter etc than they were in the past. Even, according to some, ‘elite’ *cough* *fucking hell*.

    Two, blokes as a species have unfortunately bolstered this argument by becoming exercise-bereft man bun-having flab farms.

    Given the existence of the abovementioned state of affairs, the argument went, why is there a differing physical requirement between the sexes at all? You either do it, or you can’t. It’s long been used as one of the rationales behind not letting chicks attempt infantry work.

    Take gender completely out of it, and see what pans out. I’m certainly not averse to the concept, if for no other reason that all the old arguments about genders being differently fashioned might raise their heads again.

    To the horror of the midget lesbian faction.

  67. mh

    But this psycho Baxter guy? My god. What evil. But hey it’s only Izzy that gives the NRL a bad name.

    I wonder what part Folau played in these killings?

    Someone will be working on it.

    Hellfire, hate… ah yes, I’m seeing it now. Fitzy’s next column could be a cracker.

  68. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh, man.

    Gunn Point, about an hour and half right then left out of Darwin got 127 mm overnight.

    A comparatively pissweak 42 mm for D-town itself.

  69. Gab

    Females don’t have, nor will we ever have, the muscle mass of males. Which is why the ‘woke’idiots keep lowering physical entrance requirements for areas such as the military and police force.

  70. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Females don’t have, nor will we ever have, the muscle mass of males.’

    Undeniably true, Gab.

    However, we are repeatedly informed by our betters that the ladeeeees are not just equal to males but superior in many respects. Maybe they are.

    I say, let’s test it and see if alllllll the arguments trotted out over the years still hold water when actual equality is applied.

  71. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Is he (the Waffleroach) a touch of a tight-arse or did he not think Tits Shorten had the palate to appreciate his plonk?

    Both.

  72. Twostix

    There are people we know who daily post their super happy / cute family photos all over facebook and instagram. Usually between motivational posts ordering you to follow your dreams.

    Normal people they are not.

  73. mh

    Donald J. Trump Retweeted

    Bhuvan Bagga
    @Bhuvanbagga
    ·
    13h
    The world’s newest & biggest #cricket stadium — also the venue of joint Modi-Trump visit in western #India’s Gujarat state. #TrumpIndiaVisit

    https://twitter.com/Bhuvanbagga/status/1230038413958664198?s=20

  74. Knuckle Dragger

    Earth. 2020.

    Science and technology have developed to the extent that a person can undergo open brain surgery and have a tumour removed.

    While playing the violin.

    Thank you, coal.

  75. Candy:

    I don’t know if that Shorten wine story is believable. It sounds contrived.

    There are similarities in Turnbulls past – the conversation with President Trump is an indicator.

  76. Mater

    ‘Females don’t have, nor will we ever have, the muscle mass of males.’
    Undeniably true, Gab.

    It’s not just muscle mass.
    Women can’t work as a single sex team, in these physically stressful environments – not over extended periods anyway. Duntroon tried it once, during their annual food and sleep deprivation exercise – disastrous! Group dynamics bought a quick end, to a bad idea.

    Men have being doing it for eons, but when women get involved, it’s got to be mixed. This brings it’s own problems and, frankly, it’s a limitation which previously didn’t exist.

  77. Knuckle Dragger

    Leak Snr had Turnbull pegged years ago, when he routinely had him attired in Louis XIV apparel.

  78. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Those poor li’l things. Why is this planet and this stupid, stupid country in particular so infested with human detritus?* The rate of child abuse in this country is an absolute disgrace. Fat li’l Dennis is in many ways one of the fortunate ones or will be, until his arteries clog up and he suffers a massive fatal coronary at age 40.

    The terrible news from Queensland comes hard on the heels of the news that a wonderful work colleague of mine lost the li’l girl she was carrying on Tuesday, which would have been her second.

    *Collectivism, but anyone here with a functioning brain already knew that.

  79. Tel

    Females don’t have, nor will we ever have, the muscle mass of males.

    Not at all … women can roid up easily enough, the only difference is they require a supplemented source of testosterone. It’s certainly an option that’s available … who should be making that choice is another question. Well I know my answer, but not everyone agrees.

    These days just find a friendly doctor, open up a zoo brochure, point to something you like and say, “I wanna look like that!” Not a whole lot different to going to the hairdresser, slightly more permanent.

    Science and technology! Doing things for people they would be unable to do for themselves. I can’t naturally see in the dark, but with the help of a tiny LED torch I can do it! It is rather unnatural but doesn’t bother me. This process will continue, it’s pretty much unstoppable … we are going to end up with some highly engineered humans before much longer.

  80. Leigh Lowe

    Question re the child killer.
    Did he or his missus have real jobs?

  81. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    he routinely had him attired in Louis XIV apparel

    Along with Rudd. The outfits matched perfectly their preposterous delusions of grandeur along with the out of control narcissism. Although not as yet, their long overdue demise courtesy of a revolting peasant event.

  82. mh

    I’m a big fan too, Mike.

    Matt Binder
    @MattBinder
    mike bloomberg: “i know donald trump. he’s a great guy…i’m a big fan of donald trump.”

    https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/1230142151872458752?s=20

  83. Leigh Lowe

    I see Betty 2.0 of Windsor has banned the Ranga Bastard and the Gold Digger from using “Sussex Royal” to sell home treadmills, transformer ladders and diet shakes on morning telly.
    One wonders why.

  84. Farmer Gez

    February in northern Vic and I’ve got a pullover on to keep warm.
    Record breaking cool for Feb anyone in the media?
    I don’t think so.

  85. mh

    Trump is off to India, so lots of stories like this

    Indian man prays to life-size statue of Donald Trump, his ‘god’

    An Indian man is so convinced President Trump is his “god,” he has a life-size statue as a shrine in his garden — and offers him daily prayers.

    “Instead of praying to other gods, I started praying to him,” Bussa Krishna said, calling the president “my god, Donald Trump.”

    “My love for him has transformed into reverence.”

    Krishna, 37, started worshiping Trump four years ago when he says he came to him in a dream, hiring 15 laborers to work with him for a month to make the 6-foot statue in his village in the southern state of Telangana.

    “He is like a God to me that is the reason I had his statue built,” he told New Delhi TV (NDTV) of his shrine showing Trump in a red tie, blue suit and his right arm raised in a wave.

    “Every Friday I fast for Trump’s long life. I also carry his picture and pray to him before commencing any work,” he told the station.

    Krishna, who lives alone, is now known locally as Trump Krishna, and his statue-adored house dubbed Trump House.

    “The villagers never objected to it but appreciated his devotion,” his friend, Ramesh Reddy, told NDTV.

    The devotee is now hellbent on meeting Trump when he makes his first state visit to India next week, begging the government to help “make my dream come true.”

    Trump’s itinerary starts on Feb. 24 in the western city of Ahmedabad, where he will visit the former home of independence hero Mahatma Gandhi and address an estimated 125,000 people at a rally. He is due in the capital the following day.

    https://nypost.com/2020/02/19/indian-man-prays-to-life-size-statue-of-donald-trump-his-god/

  86. Entropy

    Leigh Lowe
    #3329277, posted on February 20, 2020 at 8:52 am
    Question re the child killer.
    Did he or his missus have real jobs

    They both ran a gym in working class Capalaba. I suspect it went out about the same time their marriage was breaking down.

  87. Entropy

    Farmer Gez
    #3329281, posted on February 20, 2020 at 9:02 am
    February in northern Vic and I’ve got a pullover on to keep warm.
    Record breaking cool for Feb anyone in the media?
    I don’t think so

    You’re just getting old.

  88. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    anyone in the media?

    No Gez, you won’t hear about it until the braindead lamestream collectivist meeja start screeching (again) that it was “the hottest Febyooeree, evah!!”

  89. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    old grump.
    17 years your junior please.
    Nite Lizzy.

    Seven hours sleep. Could be worse I guess. Immunity seems in good shape today.

    Mark A, my friend aged 64 has a husband who is seventeen years her junior.
    We are both agreed he is an old grump. Very set in his ways, not like us modern ladies.
    Why, even Hairy, only ten years younger than me, can get grumpy sometimes.

    Male menopause. It starts early and goes on for a very long time. 🙂

  90. stackja

    Katie Brennan’s reputation does not match her performance, writes Mark Robinson
    When AFLW hit the scene, there were few names bigger than Katie Brennan. But four years and a new club later, the one-time face of the competition has suffered a dramatic fall from grace, writes Mark Robinson.

    Mark Robinson, Chief Football Writer, Herald Sun
    Subscriber only
    |
    February 19, 2020 6:00am

    What to do with a problem like Katie Brennan?

    The one-time face of AFLW and still a poster girl for TV promotion, Brennan’s standing as one of the competition’s best players is under siege.

    Arguably, she’s not in the competition’s best 30 players.

    In fact, if you want to examine the acceleration in fitness, skill and athleticism in the women’s competition this season, Brennan is a symbolic case study.

    Small sample, but 275 players have played in the two matches this season.

    Brennan, the one-time Bulldog who is now the captain of Richmond, is ranked No.100. Her kicking efficiency is 37 per cent; the league average is 52 per cent.

    A commitment from the Tigers to play her in the midfield — one the Bulldogs coaches would not make — is said to be a major reason Brennan switched clubs.

    In Richmond’s two losses, Brennan has played in the middle, albeit in a first-year team.

    At the weekend, with the Tigers trailing a motivated Gold Coast by two goals at three-quarter time, Brennan managed just two disposals in the final quarter.

    If a man? Out?

  91. John64

    February in northern Vic and I’ve got a pullover on to keep warm.
    Record breaking cool for Feb anyone in the media?
    I don’t think so.

    A bracing 9 degrees on my backdoor step this morning on the fringes of Yarragrad.

    Wettest and coldest February in southern Victoriastan for years. Unusually humid for this neck of the woods too since the rains returned in mid-January.

    The BOM has about two weeks to homogenise the data into the hottest February eva. Get cracking guys and gals!

  92. Delta A

    February in northern Vic and I’ve got a pullover on to keep warm.

    Same here, Gez.

    This has been the coolest February I can remember.

    Three days in the low 30s, when we would normally have a couple of heatwaves maxing out in low 40s. And lowest minimum of 7.6. But no, nothing in the media.

  93. Chris

    Women can’t work as a single sex team, in these physically stressful environments – not over extended periods anyway. Duntroon tried it once, during their annual food and sleep deprivation exercise – disastrous! Group dynamics bought a quick end, to a bad idea.

    Men have being doing it for eons, but when women get involved, it’s got to be mixed. This brings it’s own problems and, frankly, it’s a limitation which previously didn’t exist.

    Uhuh. There must be thousands of all-female work teams across the Public Service, hospitals, schools and, er, maybe not emergency services. Although I realise that their priorities may be different to mine, surely if they were as a rule dysfunctional hellscapes of status competition and blown implementation schedules, the standard list of reasons for project failures would include something like ‘not enough trans-women included’?

  94. vr

    The Walter Russell Mead piece that had WSJ journalists expeled.

    The mighty Chinese juggernaut has been humbled this week, apparently by a species-hopping bat virus. While Chinese authorities struggle to control the epidemic and restart their economy, a world that has grown accustomed to contemplating China’s inexorable rise was reminded that nothing, not even Beijing’s power, can be taken for granted.

    We do not know how dangerous the new coronavirus will be. There are signs that Chinese authorities are still trying to conceal the true scale of the problem, but at this point the virus appears to be more contagious but considerably less deadly than the pathogens behind diseases such as Ebola or SARS—though some experts say SARS and coronavirus are about equally contagious.

    China’s initial response to the crisis was less than impressive. The Wuhan government was secretive and self-serving; national authorities responded vigorously but, it currently appears, ineffectively. China’s cities and factories are shutting down; the virus continues to spread. We can hope that authorities succeed in containing the epidemic and treating its victims, but the performance to date has shaken confidence in the Chinese Communist Party at home and abroad. Complaints in Beijing about the U.S. refusing entry to noncitizens who recently spent time in China cannot hide the reality that the decisions that allowed the epidemic to spread as far and as fast as it did were all made in Wuhan and Beijing.

    The likeliest economic consequence of the coronavirus epidemic, forecasters expect, will be a short and sharp fall in Chinese economic growth rates during the first quarter, recovering as the disease fades. The most important longer-term outcome would appear to be a strengthening of a trend for global companies to “de-Sinicize” their supply chains. Add the continuing public health worries to the threat of new trade wars, and supply-chain diversification begins to look prudent.

    Events like the coronavirus epidemic, and its predecessors—such as SARS, Ebola and MERS—test our systems and force us to think about the unthinkable. If there were a disease as deadly as Ebola and as fast-spreading as coronavirus, how should the U.S. respond? What national and international systems need to be in place to minimize the chance of catastrophe on this scale?

    Epidemics also lead us to think about geopolitical and economic hypotheticals. We have seen financial markets shudder and commodity prices fall in the face of what hopefully will be a short-lived disturbance in China’s economic growth. What would happen if—perhaps in response to an epidemic, but more likely following a massive financial collapse—China’s economy were to suffer a long period of even slower growth? What would be the impact of such developments on China’s political stability, on its attitude toward the rest of the world, and to the global balance of power?

    China’s financial markets are probably more dangerous in the long run than China’s wildlife markets. Given the accumulated costs of decades of state-driven lending, massive malfeasance by local officials in cahoots with local banks, a towering property bubble, and vast industrial overcapacity, China is as ripe as a country can be for a massive economic correction. Even a small initial shock could lead to a massive bonfire of the vanities as all the false values, inflated expectations and misallocated assets implode. If that comes, it is far from clear that China’s regulators and decision makers have the technical skills or the political authority to minimize the damage—especially since that would involve enormous losses to the wealth of the politically connected.

    We cannot know when or even if a catastrophe of this scale will take place, but students of geopolitics and international affairs—not to mention business leaders and investors—need to bear in mind that China’s power, impressive as it is, remains brittle. A deadlier virus or a financial-market contagion could transform China’s economic and political outlook at any time.

    Many now fear the coronavirus will become a global pandemic. The consequences of a Chinese economic meltdown would travel with the same sweeping inexorability. Commodity prices around the world would slump, supply chains would break down, and few financial institutions anywhere could escape the knock-on consequences. Recovery in China and elsewhere could be slow, and the social and political effects could be dramatic.

    If Beijing’s geopolitical footprint shrank as a result, the global consequences might also be surprising. Some would expect a return of unipolarity if the only possible great-power rival to the U.S. were to withdraw from the game. Yet in the world of American politics, isolation rather than engagement might surge to the fore. If the China challenge fades, many Americans are likely to assume that the U.S. can safely reduce its global commitments.

    So far, the 21st century has been an age of black swans. From 9/11 to President Trump’s election and Brexit, low-probability, high-impact events have reshaped the world order. That age isn’t over, and of the black swans still to arrive, the coronavirus epidemic is unlikely to be the last to materialize in China.

  95. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Seven or eight of my group of girlfriends are going on a short trip together to Hawaii. The married ones are having a husband escape. They are already arguing (but nicely) about what they are going to do together. Two groups have emerged so far, the beach loungers and the shoppers. There is a splinter group developing now amongst the shoppers – high end or low end. The loungers have already divided into the sun and the shade contingents. In general, we all get on really well together, but I sense that personal emotional space is at a premium amongst us sometimes.

    Is this what happened in the Duntroon all-female groups too?

  96. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Brisbane car fire: Dad was a ‘disgusting human being and monster‘, says Hannah Baxter’s family

    David Murray
    National Crime Correspondent
    @TheMurrayD
    Charlie Peel
    Journalist
    @charliepeeled ‏
    7 minutes ago February 20, 2020

    What seemed online like the image of a perfect family began to unravel three months ago and was finally shattered in a horrific act of violence on a suburban Brisbane street that left three children and their mother dead.

    The children, Aaliyah, 6, Laianah, 4, and Trey, 3, were on their way to school with their mother, Hannah Baxter, in their family car when they were ambushed by their father, Rowan Baxter, who had recently separated from his wife.

    Their white SUV was doused with petrol and set alight by Mr Baxter, 42, a former NZ Warriors NRL player, who died on the footpath after jumping in the passenger seat and stabbing himself.

    His children were trapped in the car as it was engulfed in flames, while their mother ­escaped from the driver’s seat of the burning vehicle and rolled on the ground on fire.

    Stunned residents who went to Ms Baxter’s aid in Raven Street, Camp Hill, 6km southeast of the CBD, said she screamed: “He’s poured petrol on me!’’

    Ms Baxter died in hospital late on Wednesday.

    “Police can confirm a 31-year-old woman involved in a fatal vehicle fire at Camp Hill this morning has died,” read a police statement issued shortly before 9pm. “The woman succumbed to her injuries at the Royal Brisbane and Women’s Hospital early this evening.”

    Police are investigating previou­s acts of family violence before the suspected murders.

    The Courier Mail reports police were called to a family violence incident in January. The couple were said to be working on custody arrangements. Child Safety had been aware of the Baxters due to Mr Baxter’s escalating violence.

    Ms Baxter had taken the children out of the family home late last year, neighbours said.

    The shocking incident unfolded near her parents’ home, where she was living with the children.

    From the Oz.

  97. Chris

    Male menopause. It starts early and goes on for a very long time.

    Yes, a friend started his at 15, and he is having his 62nd birthday this week.
    Fortunately, my beautiful mostress is training me not to be a BOF – mainly by remorseless teasing.

  98. Chris

    Duntroon tried it once, during their annual food and sleep deprivation exercise – disastrous! Group dynamics bought a quick end, to a bad idea.

    I suspect its nothing at all to do with women’s capabilities under stress. More likely ADFA’s selection methods carefully assembled a bunch of alpha females who had never experienced coming second, and who had a lifetime of pumped-up self-importance from ‘You go grrrrl’ propaganda.

  99. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am not having a husband escape, although I am sorely tempted. I won’t go because Hairy would be sad about it. He is very good about my galivanting around town with the girls on weekdays, but that’s his limit. Generally speaking, he likes me home at night and on weekends unless it’s a special girl’s nite function as at Christmas or for weddings. I have to go see my sixteen year old grandson (from my first marriage) tonight and Hairy pleads try to get home early. As I said above, a little bit set in their ways sometimes? 🙂

    I started to read this silly novel by some Aussie feminists about a group of four going away together for a year to ‘find themselves’ and leaving their husbands at home. I dumped the tale, and wondered if it actually ended in real life of their husbands going off too, not to find themselves but to find someone else.

  100. Roger

    Yale to axe famed History of Western Art course:

    [The Yale Art History department chair] promises that…replacement surveys will subject European art to a variety of deconstructive readings designed to pull that tradition down from its alleged pedestal. The new classes will consider Western art in relation to “questions of gender, class, and ‘race,’” he told the Daily News in an email, carefully putting scare quotes around “race” to signal his adherence to the creed that race is a social construct. The new courses will discuss the involvement of Western art with capitalism. Most intriguingly, the relationship between Western art and climate change will be a “key theme,” he wrote.

    RTWT

    File under ‘The Closing of the Western Mind’.

  101. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    with their husbands, not of their husbands.

    I am fast typing and simple prepositions can get muddled.
    Must be an age thing, I never used to do that.

  102. candy

    While playing the violin.

    Can’t help but think the lady playing the violin would have made things difficult for the surgeons
    with her bumping around like that. The least she could would be to lay still while they saved her life.

  103. johanna

    calli
    #3329230, posted on February 20, 2020 at 7:25 am

    The wine story is a window on the characters of those involved. Who on earth would worry about it, let alone leak it to the papers? We’ve all been there and chalked it up to experience with a wry smile.

    Shorten is a small man. And so is the Turd, for not serving the gift to his guest.

    Indeed, talk about petty.

    Besides, price is not necessarily a good guide. I have had $17 wines that are better than $50 wines.

    As to your last point, it is a common practice, in Canberra anyway. The guest brings a bottle, which is spirited away, and the host serves from their own collection what best fits with the food. The wine served may or may not be more expensive than the gift. So what?

    I had a delightful experience a while ago where I had dinner with friends under this regime, and remarked on how nice the wine we were drinking with dinner was. My host took great pleasure in reminding me that it was a bottle I had presented to them a couple of years ago. I had completely forgotten about it.

    Diplobrats, they are trained from birth in this sort of thing. 🙂

  104. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Child Safety had been aware of the Baxters due to Mr Baxter’s escalating violence.

    Had anyone alerted a mental health team to Mr. Baxter’s escalating distress?
    Of course not. I’m not excusing him, but –
    Even if they did the team would have no power to take him into care or give him real back up.
    He’s just a man and needs no help. Most men stay strong and honorable. Some do not.
    Three kids and their mother have died because of this fuck up.

  105. dover_beach

    Not at all … women can roid up easily enough, the only difference is they require a supplemented source of testosterone. It’s certainly an option that’s available … who should be making that choice is another question. Well I know my answer, but not everyone agrees.

    These days just find a friendly doctor, open up a zoo brochure, point to something you like and say, “I wanna look like that!” Not a whole lot different to going to the hairdresser, slightly more permanent.

    Science and technology! Doing things for people they would be unable to do for themselves. I can’t naturally see in the dark, but with the help of a tiny LED torch I can do it! It is rather unnatural but doesn’t bother me. This process will continue, it’s pretty much unstoppable … we are going to end up with some highly engineered humans before much longer.

    It’s this sort of thinking that gives rise to the thought that men can become women too. BTW, you can naturally see in the dark, just not very well because there is little of the light needed to actually see. The LED torch aids your sight only to the extent that it adds to the environment precisely what your eyes need, namely, light. Similarly, it’s no deficiency that one does not hear the silence.

  106. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    That ‘age of black swans’ piece in the WSJ is a humdinger. I’m not surprised the Chinese objected. Some on this blog who think Corona virus speculation is way OTT would be of the same mind. Largely, people do not wish to have what sociologist Irving Goffman called their ‘world taken for granted’ disturbed, not even for a moment until the black swan has actually landed; rare because swans don’t actually fly very much. 🙂

    Australia is the land of the original black swan, of course. A logical impossibility until this continent and its upside down wildlife was discovered. Duck-billed beavers and swans that refused to be syllogistic.
    Whatever next?

  107. Gwendolyn

    1735099:

    Court in London hears an allegation that Julian Assange was offered a presidential pardon if he agreed to say that Russia was not involved in leaking Democratic party emails.

    Entirely likely.
    And our spineless government turns a blind eye.

    Makes you wonder why George is getting himself involved on the wrong side.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/george-christensen-andrew-wilkie-campaign-to-bring-julian-assange-home/news-story/5e839fd8149bb64dabf46c1b66d4136f

  108. mh

    Breaking

    A shooting in the western German city of Hanau late Wednesday left several people dead and many injured, police sources confirmed. German newspaper Bild has reported that at least eight people have lost their lives, while five others were wounded.
    The shooting took place at two shisha bars in different parts of the city, according to local media. Authorities are currently looking for the suspects, who are said to have fled the scene.
    Hanau is a city of 100,000 inhabitants in the state of Hessen, some 25 kilometers (15 miles) east of the city of Frankfurt.
    This is a developing story, more updates to come

  109. Millennials and socialism:
    Australian youth are lurching to the left – Tom Switzer and Charles Jacobs address the growing sympathy towards socialism.

    It is essential to educate Millennials and future generations on the 20th century’s failed experimentation with the ideology. For a variety of reasons, youth are far less aware of socialism’s role in some of the greatest catastrophes in human history and have begun to view it benignly. This is no minor problem: one day such people may exercise a vote to impose such appalling doctrines, and their collateral damage, on our society.

    Well researched article, but their conclusions about how to alter the trend are wrong.
    You can “educate” all you like, but if your experience tells you something different, you’ll use lived reality to make your mind up.
    The trend will continue unless some fundamentals around income distribution, access to housing and secure employment change.

  110. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Seeing in the dark is all about your rods and your cones. Look it up.

    It’s no deficiency that one does not hear the silence.

    Yes, indeedy. Nor the tree that falls in the forest, no-one hears that either. Another philosophers’ fave.
    Then there’s that piece of music that’s all about the ‘sounds’ of silence. The one I love best is Shawn Nielsen’s very lovely poem about the young girl ‘listening’ to the orange tree and the light ‘not of the sky’.

    Philosophers have long speculated too about the ‘music of the spheres’.

  111. mh

    The Sun covering the Brisbane tragedy – he’s now a rugby star

    HORROR DEATH Rugby star Rowan Baxter posted ‘Goodnight my babies’ on Facebook before killing three kids, wife and himself in car fire

  112. johanna

    Boiled down to its essence, the point was – historically, chicks with few exceptions have sat around the house and effectively done nothing in terms of physical work, which was the domain of blokes. Therefore, physically they weren’t up to some aspects of certain jobs that require an element of physical strength.

    Historically? You mean, since the 1950s, in the West?

    Prior to that, housework and child-rearing involved a lot of hard physical work, and only a minority of wealthy women contracted it out. What’s more, most societies were agrarian, which meant looking after animals, making butter by hand, and growing food in the vegie patch, and often also doing farm work.

    Both men and women do a lot less physical work in the modern world, in wealthy countries. But, KD, you need to re-calibrate on this one.

  113. cohenite

    Bongino has an interesting and I think correct take on the rules of engagement between left and right which is pertinent to the ongoing discussion here about the troll. Bongino says: a conservative thinks a leftie is a person with bad ideas; a leftie thinks a conservative is a bad person with ideas.

    The left have a moral position about conservatism: it’s bad and conservatives must be destroyed. The right are still treating the left like people who been persuaded by reasonable arguments. They can’t; they’re fanatics.

  114. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    because wyminsis are equal
    Former prosecutor awarded $435k after court finds OPP breached its duty of care
    From 2009 to 2012, Zagi Kozarov worked in the Special Sexual Offences Unit at the OPP, where she had to view child exploitation material as well as pornography and deal with disturbing evidence to prepare for trials.

    “I began to notice that I wasn’t the happy woman I once was,” said Ms Kozarov, according to a written judgement by Justice Jane Dixon.

  115. Gwendolyn

    mh:

    The Sun covering the Brisbane tragedy – he’s now a rugby star

    HORROR DEATH Rugby star Rowan Baxter posted ‘Goodnight my babies’ on Facebook before killing three kids, wife and himself in car fire

    Do they call both Union and League “Rugby” in England?

  116. calli

    Interesting about wine etiquette, Canberra style, Joh.

    I always thank the guest and ask, “Shall I open this now?”. Usually I have a couple of bottles out of my own, ready, too. And if it’s a cold white, the guest’s intention is clear – to be sampled, pronto.

    I’m not much into wine and food pairing – everyone’s tastes are so idiosyncratic. But I’m very much into serving up good, well cooked food. It’s one of the great pleasures of domesticity.

  117. Chris

    Prior to that, housework and child-rearing involved a lot of hard physical work, and only a minority of wealthy women contracted it out. What’s more, most societies were agrarian, which meant looking after animals, making butter by hand, and growing food in the vegie patch, and often also doing farm work.

    Both men and women do a lot less physical work in the modern world, in wealthy countries. But, KD, you need to re-calibrate on this one.

    Indeed.
    A bit of Africa time will disabuse one of the notion that ‘women sit around’.

  118. Cardimona

    OK, Cats, looking at my collection of pollutant screenshots from Windy.com, which I first took on 27/1 to highlight Aussie bushfires versus China during Chinese New Year shut-down, there seems to be changes over the course of 25 coronavirus days.

    Six links, so two posts….

    First up, China seems to be having a lot more bushfires.
    Active fires – 27/1 vs 20/2 – https://imgur.com/a/4umuoBG
    Village funeral pyres escaping into the bush?
    Firemen too sick to mount their appliances?

    There’s a lot more PM2.5 particulates across all of south-east Asia.
    PM2.5 – 27/1 vs 20/2 – https://imgur.com/a/A8jMxjU

    Aerosols are up in China, too.
    Aerosols – 27/1 vs 20/2 – https://imgur.com/a/kzFzCGq

  119. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The mighty Chinese juggernaut has been humbled this week, apparently by a species-hopping bat virus.

    or an escaped biolab weapon/experiment. I am currently blocked from twitter, yet again, the only reason I can guess at is suggesting this very thing. I don’t understand why big tech needs to meddle in free speech or even why they are allowed to.

  120. Cardimona

    SO2 might be up a bit…
    SO2 – 27/1 vs 20/2 – https://imgur.com/a/zmhujXF
    Did someone say “cremations”?

    NO2 might also be up a bit…
    NO2 – 27/1 vs 20/2 – https://imgur.com/a/s59K2HE

    And CO still seems down, albeit up somewhat since earlier comparisons.
    CO – 27/1 vs 20/2 – https://imgur.com/a/Lmge6fC
    Implications for the bowtie supply lines?

    ScienceCats – can you all share any thoughts?

  121. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I don’t care how Radio Rental you are, or think you are. Kill your OWN CHILDREN because things are happening to YOU and every trace of your existence should be erased. With fucking sledgehammers.

    Convincingly put, KD.

  122. Cardimona

    we are going to end up with some highly engineered humans before much longer.

    Tel, I’ve started a list.
    Gills
    Back-up heart
    Second set of eyelids (transparent)
    Second opposable thumb (opposite existing)
    Ball-and-socket spine
    Eyes in back of head
    Sonar (bat-style)
    Infra-red vision
    Pouch

  123. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    A bit of Africa time will disabuse one of the notion that ‘women sit around’.

    men are built for hunting and fighting, women are built for making babies and gossiping

  124. Gwendolyn

    Chris:

    A bit of Africa time will disabuse one of the notion that ‘women sit around’.

  125. dover_beach

    Seeing in the dark is all about your rods and your cones. Look it up.

    Sure, but sans light, our rods and cones can’t do anything, which is why I mentioned ‘hear the silence’.

  126. mh

    Do they call both Union and League “Rugby” in England?

    Most likely as they are all soccer mad over there. The point is he wasn’t even a first grade Rugby League player. He’d played in trials.

    May as well have called him an aspiring rapper.

  127. notafan

    How would travel insurance cover an illness that requires you to go into quarantine for at least 14 days, even if you are not sick

    The circumstances are exceptional.

  128. Geriatric Mayfly

    From 2009 to 2012, Zagi Kozarov worked in the Special Sexual Offences Unit at the OPP,

    There’s so many wimminzes of that ilk who get involved in the law and matters of sex, that a red warning light always flashes whenever one pops up.

  129. Good morning all.
    With this Baxter khunt, I am wondering if the reason for his departure from NRL was perhaps concussion related. You read Patty McCartin’s woes with brain injuries, along with a host of other footballers.
    I recall a doco on the 85 Bears, one of the great NFL teams ever. Jim McMahon had neck issues that wouldn’t allow some fluids to drain from his brain which caused great headaches and suicidal thoughts. Dave Duerson took his own life because of brain injuries.
    It is a discussion point, nothing more.

  130. Eyrie

    “How would travel insurance cover an illness that requires you to go into quarantine for at least 14 days, even if you are not sick

    The circumstances are exceptional.”

    Stiff. Still not our problem. Nor is being dumb enough to go ashore on an active volcano, being injured while bungy jumping, base jumping etc.

  131. Gwendolyn

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV):

    women are built for making babies and gossiping

    The Middle Eastern religions introduced strict gender segregation, burdened their women with cumbersome and impractical clothing and confined them to a harem. And you wonder why women have been conditioned to gossip??

  132. Chris

    I recall a doco on the 85 Bears, one of the great NFL teams ever. Jim McMahon had neck issues that wouldn’t allow some fluids to drain from his brain which caused great headaches and suicidal thoughts. Dave Duerson took his own life because of brain injuries.
    It is a discussion point, nothing more.

    Suicide clusters are partly created through ‘copycat’ influence. Is the person one you respect and view as similar in life to yourself? OK a potential behaviour model.

  133. Cassie of Sydney

    “I don’t care how Radio Rental you are, or think you are. Kill your OWN CHILDREN because things are happening to YOU and every trace of your existence should be erased. With fucking sledgehammers.”

    Yep..he should be cremated without any ceremony and his ashes thrown on a rubbish dump.

  134. Infidel Tiger

    Mikaela, who speaks to her parents regularly, broke the news to them via FaceTime at the weekend and said they were “intrigued” but “not upset”.

    Spielberg’s daughter is a porn star and that’s his response.

    Hollywood is the sickest place on earth.

  135. Mark A

    Winston Smith
    #3329233, posted on February 20, 2020 at 7:27 am

    Regarding the Paranoia Stakes: Could the Kung flu, targeted at Chinese/Asians be a precursor to its nasty cousin which kills everyone and to which the Kung Flu confers immunity?

    A not unusual plot in some thrillers. It had already crossed my mind.

    Should it come to that, I think all the nuclear armed nations would be raining their bombs on China.

    Not many people have immunity against an atomic explosion.

  136. calli

    women are built for making babies and gossiping

    If you want to hear gossip, eavesdrop on tradies at smoko.

  137. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The Middle Eastern religions introduced strict gender segregation, burdened their women with cumbersome and impractical clothing and confined them to a harem. And you wonder why women have been conditioned to gossip??

    oh and I forgot whingeing

  138. Infidel Tiger

    Good morning all.
    With this Baxter khunt, I am wondering if the reason for his departure from NRL was perhaps concussion related. You read Patty McCartin’s woes with brain injuries, along with a host of other footballers.

    He never played NRL. This is a libelous claim.

    He trained with an NRL team. There’s probably 5 blokes on this thread who have done the same.

    The media are a disgrace.

    I

  139. Helen

    historically, chicks with few exceptions have sat around the house and effectively done nothing in terms of physical work,

    That may be so in latter years, KD, but women worked hard in the fields, if they had a dairy, there was the milking and the churning, there was the washing there was the bread making, all these things require a fair amount of strength and endurance and no modern appliances to help with it. Of course they were down mines as well. In India today we have women harvesting sugar cane (and I read the other day having hysterectomies so their employer cant dock them for time off during their period)

    Women have always worked alongside their men, well, at least the agrarian women have.

    Having said that, I agree with your take the sex out of it idea. Anyone can apply here are the benchmarks to gain admittance.

  140. areff

    John 2: 1-2 “Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now.”

    I can fancy Turnbull passing a holy green hand over the plonk, muttering an incantation to Gaia … and then finding, like so many other things about the creature and his career, that transubstantiation hadn’t quite gone as planned.

  141. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Since there were another 88 new cases today that tested positive, clearly Cruise-ship-quarantine is a bad plan.

    New cases still appearing and from unknown origin on board that ship mean that a further fourteen day quarantine in proper facilities on land should apply to all who disembark. That’s is the only suitable containment mode. That some countries are not adopting this is very bad practice.

    I would really like to read about the infection-control processes used on board during that outbreak. Nothing much seems available for information. Are officials simply too scared to speak about aerosols through the aircon? Imagine that happening in hospitals and nursing homes and hotels and cruise ships everywhere. If it really is a risk then some thorough cleaning of aircon cooling towers should be implemented pronto worldwide. I bet that in Wuhan this didn’t happen often, given the dirt and mould I noticed in various corners everywhere and knowing what I do about third world cleaners.

  142. Cardimona #3329343, posted on February 20, 2020 at 10:41 am

    methinks that I don’t know about the geography of China to comment.
    e.g. Places like Dannograd can trap NO2 (and other gases) given the Dandenongs and south westerly winds.

    So things can get complex very quickly. geography, weather, motor vehicles, buildings, combustion types …

  143. Yes IT was wondering if his failure to play a game is because of head trauma.
    And Chris that is an interesting take. Never heard of ‘clusters’ before.

  144. historically, chicks with few exceptions have sat around the house and effectively done nothing in terms of physical work,

    Only applies to chicks that don’t hump often enough.

  145. candy

    I would really like to read about the infection-control processes used on board during that outbreak.

    Maybe Lizzie it’s a matter too of the size of the area being quarantined. Christmas Island may be a better option because of space, outside areas, less surfaces to be contaminated and continually disinfected. People have their own cutlery etc, nothing shared, washing own sheets etc?

  146. Chris

    “I don’t care how Radio Rental you are, or think you are. Kill your OWN CHILDREN because things are happening to YOU and every trace of your existence should be erased. With fucking sledgehammers.”

    Yep..he should be cremated without any ceremony and his ashes thrown on a rubbish dump.

    That sort of public policy response to infamous crime is a seriously under-used option.
    But our media profit from hyping, and freedom of speech….
    I propose a law that includes the equivalent of Roman-era erasure from public memory, along with outlawry of the kind that means a criminal can only eat when handed food by other people, and can never have money, property or any rights beyond the protective mark on the forehead that they not be killed out of hand.

  147. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Women have always worked alongside their men, well, at least the agrarian women have.

    Yes, and some physically strong women have always emerged. The human frame of either sex can bulk up under pressure. However, it has always been the case that hard physical work puts a tremendous strain on the female form and physical functioning (note the hysterectomies of the tea plantation women). We see the strain also in the results coming in for the female rugby players. They are injuring themselves doing things and taking knocks that just bounce off the male frame and physique. Outcomes for pregnant women engaging in excessive physical labour are also not as good as for those who don’t, in both ease of delivery and in foetal condition, to say nothing of capacity to breast feed. Hormone systems can be thrown out of whack by physical stress, including of course the physical stress of malnutrition, which women get more than men as they come off second best in the food stakes in many cultures. Women carrying heavy loads on their heads can eventually destroy their neck vertebrae.

  148. Even if they did the team would have no power to take him into care or give him real back up.
    He’s just a man and needs no help. Most men stay strong and honorable. Some do not.
    Three kids and their mother have died because of this fuck up.

    Honest question, Lizzie: what do you think should have been done to prevent the Baxter situation?

  149. Chris

    Black Ball, that is a huge component of the Deaths In Custody story. A terrible chain of events even worse in many of the communities, as full-on funeral events create a kind of incentive towards youth suicide with terribly sad numbers of role models.
    I guess you have seen the modified power poles in Roebourne, for instance.

  150. notafan

    KD

    My mother would be amazed by your summation of women’s work.

    You are talking about one or two generations, at most.

    The home she grew up in 1940s and 50s had no electricity and only tank water and everything was done ‘by hand’ washing in the copper, scrubbed on boards then put through the wringer then ironed with a heavy iron heated on the wood stove.

    Also all cooking. and cleaning without the benefit of labour saving devices and walking everywhere because when they did have a horse it was needed for farmwork and getting out the buggy was only for long distance trips.

    My dad’s mum and sisters did their washing at the river, ( I remember him being upset about how hard that work was for them) baked bread every morning, again on a wood stove and ditto for the no electricity etc

    And if you actually look at the archeological record, in Europe at any rate, in the absence of the plough and other farming aids work was divided fairly evenly between the sexes. When the more sophisticated tools come in to play there is greater division of labour between men and women.

    I know someone (male) who is rather an expert on this subject.

    And you can read about it.

    In books and stuff.

  151. johanna

    calli
    #3329336, posted on February 20, 2020 at 10:37 am

    Interesting about wine etiquette, Canberra style, Joh.

    I always thank the guest and ask, “Shall I open this now?”. Usually I have a couple of bottles out of my own, ready, too. And if it’s a cold white, the guest’s intention is clear – to be sampled, pronto.

    I’m not much into wine and food pairing – everyone’s tastes are so idiosyncratic. But I’m very much into serving up good, well cooked food. It’s one of the great pleasures of domesticity.

    Your approach is perfect. And, just because someone brings a cold bottle doesn’t mean they intend it to be consumed immediately – it may just mean that the bottle of their choice was in the cold section.

    As the perfect guest, my reply would be – I always like to try different wines, so if you have something in mind, let’s do it!

    The Canberra method works quite well in practical terms. It quickly exposes cheapskate spongers, whose invitations may dwindle in the absence of a compelling reason to invite them again. And the inevitable bottles of boring merlot can be used for the Christmas punch or mulled wine in winter.

  152. vlad

    If Turdbull has 370 bottles of wine worth $9000.00 the average price per bottle is $24.32.

    That implies many bottles of lower price, which on special might well be bought for $17.00.

    So I’d say Shortstuff comes out of this story worse than The Turd.

  153. notafan

    Even harems would be an exception for a few wealthy men.

    The poor of the middle east would not be able to afford such a luxury

  154. Bruce

    “What we need is Steve Tickler to give us a locomotive.”

  155. candy

    So I’d say Shortstuff comes out of this story worse than The Turd.

    The bit about him in a taxi googling the brand and cost, sounds made up. And as if Bill Shorten as opposition leader, son in law to a Governor General, with a certain standing in life had to ask a friend about bringing wine to a dinner or not and what would be appropriate in the circumstances.

  156. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Maybe Lizzie it’s a matter too of the size of the area being quarantined.

    I totally agree, Candy. That’s why I’d like to know what they tried, and what parts they think failed.

    I didn’t label it the ‘Incubation of the Seas’ for nothing!

    Getting passengers ashore and quarantined there seems to me to be the best thing to do in any outbreak. I certainly hope any ship I travel on has had a thorough disinfection between passengers. I will do the cabin myself just to make sure, including putting all cushions on the verandah in the sun after a Glen 20 spray, and I certainly don’t intend to use the buffets any more than I have to do in current times. I have seen some terribly unhygienic things happen there, not from staff but from passengers. We will head for the dining rooms, where staff have been well-trained in hygienic food preparation and serving.

    If all of this sounds obsessional, I will try to be unobtrusive about it, as there is no sense in ruining what was meant to be a nice holiday coming up. Is Lizzie all prepared for this cruise? someone innocently asked recently. She has a crateful of preparation ready, Hairy replied gloomily. lol. It is not that bad.

  157. vlad

    Farquharson’s story is that he blacked out while at the wheel. There are reasons to doubt that; at the same time, it’s not the sort of story that I – and I’m not alone here – would expect someone like him to have thought up. He either planned the whole thing to perfection and it went off exactly as planned – how likely is that in real life – or it was a wildly freakish accident.

    I’ve also seen it said that the things that you do in accidents would beggar belief if you tried to do them intentionally, eg the next time you’re walking through a doorway, try deliberately to catch a loop from your jacket on to the door handle – or whatever. And yet you do things by accident.

    So what really happened in the Farquharson case I have no idea, despite having read both of the books about it. The judge (Lex Lasry) summed up for an acquittal.

  158. Knuckle Dragger

    Okay.

    Didn’t think I needed to, but will clarify.

    Historically, women have not worked nearly as hard as men in a physical sense.

    Yes they churned butter and hand washed and wrung sheets and all that stuff in the Western world. Hard yakka, no question.

    But while this was going on, blokes were clearing acres of shit scrub, by hand, digging fenceposts in rock hard soil and lugging wheat bags around. All day, every day.

    Yes the Africhicks carried water. While their menfolk were out fighting elephants and rhinos and fucking lions over who’s going to eat who.

    It’s comparative. Was then, is now.

    And as far as selecting ‘alpha females’ in Duntroon goes, you would hope that if you wanted to employ the ladeees, that these would be the sort you bring in. Everyone who’s either worked in an all-chick environment or been unlucky enough to observe it would have told these geniuses the same thing.

    Thinly-disguised politeness, cliques and manners waiting to explode like Krakatoa.

    It’s like walking into a large room crammed to the gunwales with fuel vapour.

  159. johanna

    notafan, I remember my mother washing my young sister’s nappies in a copper in the 1960s, swirling them around with a wooden paddle, then heaving them out and putting them through a hand wringer before hanging them out to dry.

    Then, heaving a heavy, wet, mop around on the floors. Lugging the shopping home on foot, about three quarters of a mile.

    No need for the gym for women of that generation.

  160. Slim Cognito

    The bit about him in a taxi googling the brand and cost, sounds made up. And as if Bill Shorten as opposition leader, son in law to a Governor General, with a certain standing in life had to ask a friend about bringing wine to a dinner or not and what would be appropriate in the circumstances.

    I agree. Especially when he previously though he was about to walk into the top job and inherit the wine collection.

  161. johanna

    KD, stop it. You said that ‘historically’ women have lain around doing nothing. Now you are shifting the goalposts.

    You are usually better than this.

  162. Leigh Lowe

    He never played NRL. This is a libelous claim.

    He trained with an NRL team. There’s probably 5 blokes on this thread who have done the same.

    The media are a disgrace.

    Yep.
    Trained with an NRL team in 2005.
    Fifteen years ago.
    Spun off.
    Not good enough.
    Probably only got into pre-season training through a mate of a maaate, bro.
    And is being reported as “an NRL star”.
    Therein lies the problem.
    How would anyone even know of his brush with NRL greatness 15 years ago if he wasn’t constantly telling everyone and had his house chock-full of photos with coaches and players from his “glory days”?

  163. Not sure why anyone would debate sexism with a bloke calling himself Knuckle Dragger. I mean, it’s right there in the name, he is clearly not worth listening to on that topic.

  164. candy

    If all of this sounds obsessional,

    You are not at all obsessional, Lizzie. I’m like that, always washing hands before meals and after travelling on public transport especially and keeping the kitchen and bathroom surfaces disinfected at any time, let alone if I was on a cruise and worried about corona infection.

  165. Knuckle Dragger

    I mentioned earlier about the general rise of man buns, beards worn for aesthetic appeal, tendencies to drink cider and other such frippery associated with the modern bloke.

    Bone scanning and density tests, combined with freely available information suggests the average Roman legionnaire was at least as physically fit as one of today’s top line professional boxers.

    Picture thousands of 1991 Mike Tysons running at you. Now give them weapons.

    It’s easy to see how the chockies built their empire the way they did.

  166. cohenite

    Not sure why anyone would debate sexism with a bloke calling himself Knuckle Dragger. I mean, it’s right there in the name, he is clearly not worth listening to on that topic.

    Fuck off you fat, little turd.

  167. struth

    Not sure why anyone would debate sexism with a bloke calling himself Knuckle Dragger. I mean, it’s right there in the name, he is clearly not worth listening to on that topic.

    So that’s why Trump is always winning.

  168. Leigh Lowe

    The bit about him in a taxi googling the brand and cost, sounds made up.

    Designed to make it sound like the story must have come from Pieman.
    Don’t discount that it might have originated with Trumble, speculating that Pieman is the sort of uncouth chap to google wine labels and seek advice about dinner etiquette.
    Neither of them comes out of it looking particularly flash, so I reckon it is a highly embellished story to take the piss out of both of them.
    What do they do?
    Give the story more oxygen by denying it?

  169. johanna

    Bruce, thanks for Locomotive Breath, although it is not as good as the studio version. Aqualung is a magnificent album. Tull were a wildly eccentric band, full-on Scottish madness.

    Lizzie, wild horses wouldn’t get me on a cruise ship in the forseeable future. I am far from hysterical about the flu thing, but deliberately putting yourself in harm’s way is for people whose frontal lobes are not fully developed.

  170. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    And as if Bill Shorten as opposition leader, son in law to a Governor General, with a certain standing in life had to ask a friend about bringing wine to a dinner or not and what would be appropriate in the circumstances.

    That didn’t ring true for me either, Candy. Everyone takes a couple of bottles along to a dinner party, to be used then or not as the host sees fit. It is a gift. You may substitute flowers or chocolates if you won’t wish to offend someone’s cellar by imposing your taste on it, or if you simply prefer to do that.

    Personally, I like to get the occasional gift of flowers, often in addition to a special bottle of wine, although they just get dumped in a vase quickly when you are busy and if everyone does it the place is like a florists.

  171. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s not a sexism debate, munter. Something you should have realised, but hey.

    The key point here is that an argument exists that women are, in general terms AND compared to blokes (read the original post for some context) are fitter now than they were.

    And on the strength of that argument, physical entrance standards for some fields of endeavour should not be relaxed or abolished for the ladeees. One standard for all.

    That’s it.

    The inevitable consequence of your entry into this discussion are reminders that a) Hawthorn until recently were proudly known as the Mayblooms, and b) Trump has been POTUS for almost four years, with another four to come.

  172. Leigh Lowe

    Today’s Hun.
    Man incinerates three kids, himself and ex … page 11.
    Four die in midair plane prang … page 4-5 with a front page lead in.
    Main front page story? Fat lezzo gave up AWFL because a spectator called her a lezzo.
    (Truth was she played the first year amongst a bunch of other fat, talent-free lezzos. She became a hero of Fewfacts and the ABC but couldn’t get a kick when the standard moved up from the equivalent of under-13 boys to under-15 boys).

  173. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There is probably more danger on a cruise ship well away from Asian waters now than when this virus has penetrated widely into Western populations. We will make our decision in early March depending on how things pan out by then. A properly disinfected cruise ship has been shown capable of weathering the storms of a rotavirus; my main concern re Corona virus is the airborne mode, so I have my eyes on that more than anything. Aircon can be disinfected too, as Legionella demonstrates. No need to panic. Yet. 😀

  174. calli

    I never take flowers if I know my hostess is cooking. She has to stop and put the wretched things in a vase. If you must take them, take ones that are already in a container or offer to arrange them for her.

    Chocolates, on the other hand, disappear as if by magic. Into the guests. 😀

  175. struth

    Well researched article, but their conclusions about how to alter the trend are wrong.
    You can “educate” all you like, but if your experience tells you something different, you’ll use lived reality to make your mind up.
    The trend will continue unless some fundamentals around income distribution, access to housing and secure employment change.

    What a dishonest pile of shit.
    The kids are raving socialists before the deal with any of that shit.
    They are Marxist socialist loons precisely because the type of person making idiotic commo propaganda statements like that, are in education.

  176. struth

    You beclown yourself so often here Sniffy, thinking we are as thick as you.

    Those children on the Climate marches, with their anti Sco Mo bullshit…………….how did that shit come about?

    Our education system is just a communist propaganda program devoid of the three “r”s.
    And you, ya fucken traitor, were part of it.
    But you’ll be dead before you get to see the real misery you helped to create.

  177. struth

    Oh, and women should be back in the kitchen.

  178. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sorry, make that less danger now than when …. mind abstracted elsewhere.

    I admit I am conflicted re this cruise, but Hairy really wants to go, so we will see closer to the date what to do. Regardless, we will still be flying to LA and going later to see my rellies in New Orleans, and once in the viral soup of the flight then why not take the risk elsewhere is Hairy’s view. Sensible in some ways.

    I doubt that life as we know it and travel as we all do it will stop immediately anyway.

  179. Helen

    We have probably moved on from the Nigel no mates at school segment but I would like to relate something from my experience that ties in with that mob scene at Ohio Uni.

    I have been there, not as a part of the hate but as someone who tried to stand by the object of the hate. I never lacked for friends at school, I wouldn’t say I was overly popular, just run of the mill, and I often took the Nigels under my wing. I call them Nigels but they were just kids who were a bit different for what ever reason.

    There was one girl I remember so clearly. She had a brother probably a bit like you Bruce, gifted piano player, talented, very tall with long arms and legs, slender, scholastically bright. His sister was not pretty but looking back was certainly not ugly and for some reason the boys took a set to her. Did they sense something? I dont know but she had no friends to speak of, was quiet, kept to herself. I remember walking one evening back to the girls dorm across the quadrangle with her past the pool when the crowd of boys was growling at her and it was like the mob on that video of the uni students, except from memory they were all boys and they were abusing her. The feeling in the air was palpable, thick and heavy with animalism, is the only way I can describe it. It was scary but also exciting like your senses are alive with danger.

    I turned and challenged one of the biggest boys, I was quickly put down and I remember there was this silence all round except for this animal noise that was me trying to draw breath into my empty nine or ten year old lungs.

    One or two evenings later they got her out on to the oval somehow and gang raped her. She would have been about 11 or 12, budding breasts, a nice figure. They boys all a few years older, 15 or so. One of the boys was the headmasters son and we were lectured at assembly the next morning in a vague sort of way while the victim was made to sit out front, like she had adulteress stamped on her head or something. I dont know who she reported it to, or how they found out if she didn’t report it.

    Since they were orphans, and the headmasters son had to be protected, nothing more was said or done. I cant remember what happened to them, although I often wonder. I often think of her, and wonder how she is, if she made it. It needs someone like Helen Garner to sort it all out.

    On reflection, it is surprising that the bigger girls either didn’t know what was happening and or didn’t put a stop to it. The college was pretty good like that, as a rule. I dont now why or how this girl slipped through the concern cracks.

    It was a uniting church boarding house. One of the Masters there who looked after the boys wing – well, lets say the boys were very wary of him. He often had the little boys in his private room. I remember there was some talk of one little boy in particular from my parents through the boys parents and the Master left. Years later the Master was jailed for kiddy fiddling in SE Asia. I cant say we were surprised, at least my brother wasn’t.

    So there are degrees of being a Nigel, with real repercussions, you are made an easy target, like they tried to make Bruce though he was able to defend himself. Kids can be cruel.

  180. Gwendolyn

    Even harems would be an exception for a few wealthy men.

    The poor of the middle east would not be able to afford such a luxury

    I was told by an expert in anthropology that this common assumption is in fact wrong.

    According to him a large part of the male population were incels. A few with means could afford a wife and family. Many more could afford multiple wives and their broods.

    A typical household would see a man able to support one wife marry and raise children. Later, if he was blessed with ongoing prosperity, he would take an additional wife, and then later another. He said to think of it like how people accumulate an investment property portfolio. Thus, the majority of family units in the ancient Middle East ended up as polygamous.

    Second, contrary to popular thinking a harem was not sexual. It included all the females in a Middle Eastern man’s household, except servants, including his mother, grandmothers, daughters, unmarried sisters and aunts. It was his duty to protect them. It they were out gallivanting it would be to his shame.

  181. Mater

    Uhuh. There must be thousands of all-female work teams across the Public Service, hospitals, schools and, er, maybe not emergency services. Although I realise that their priorities may be different to mine, surely if they were as a rule dysfunctional hellscapes of status competition and blown implementation schedules, the standard list of reasons for project failures would include something like ‘not enough trans-women included’?

    Ok, but the PS do go home at the end of their shift (mostly). I did say physically stressful environments.
    Living in each other’s pockets 24/7 for weeks (perhaps months) on end, relying on each other to facilitate simple tasks such as going to the toilet, etc creates a fast heating pressure cooker.
    Your comfort is completely at the whim of your colleagues, you have nowhere to run and no one outside the group to bitch to. Guess what happens? It becomes like an XR sit-in…without the super glue.

    Have you ever heard nurses bitch at the end of a single late-early? Multiply it by 100, give them no outlet and stand back and watch.

  182. twostix

    That Shorten / Turbull story sounds like it was leaked by their enemies.

    They both sound terrible, either albanese or more likely someone in the liberals who hates turnbull.

  183. Cassie of Sydney

    “struth
    #3329426, posted on February 20, 2020 at 11:54 am
    Oh, and women should be back in the kitchen.”

    Well Struth, I would be quite happy being in the kitchen cooking and baking….I love it!

  184. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The Corona virus will likely be a slowly burning set of revealed cases sporadically happening in the West for quite a while yet. Viral virulence may be diminished over time too. We can only hope. All eyes on the next two weeks right now though in Japan and Singapore.

  185. likely someone in the liberals who hates turnbull.

    ok, so that could be anyone of several thousand people.

  186. Flu news.
    One of my customers reports that half of their workforce is off work with the flu. (Dannograd)

  187. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Well Struth, I would be quite happy being in the kitchen cooking and baking….I love it!

    Yum. I can vouch for the result too.

    Running a full time job and four kids really knocked the kitchen pleasures out of me.
    But I do like looking at my new kitchen. It bespeaks excellence in glitz and hygiene.
    Why interfere with that? 🙂

  188. amortiser

    Oh, man.

    Gunn Point, about an hour and half right then left out of Darwin got 127 mm overnight.

    A comparatively pissweak 42 mm for D-town itself.

    Always loved the place names around the NT.

    Gun Point is the site of a prison farm.

    Cox Peninsula is across the harbour from Fanny Bay.

  189. struth

    Without women, there would be no astrology.

    That’s all you need to know.

  190. OldOzzie

    First Event huge success – Rigs and Rolls

    Well, what an amazing event the inaugural Rigs N Rolls was. After a stressful 48hrs in the lead-up with the weather, we were blessed with relatively blue skies and sunshine. A huge thank you to everyone who took the time out to be a part of it. To see 50+ fourby’s lined up before the gates even opened was incredible! – [Pictures and video below – all photos thanks to Unsealed 4X4]

  191. vlad

    likely someone in the liberals who hates turnbull.

    Lawrence Mooney of Triple M appears to be the source and he says Shorten told it to him.

    https://www.triplem.com.au/story/bill-shorten-says-he-was-given-a-17-bottle-of-wine-at-malcolm-turnbull-s-dinner-party-156497

  192. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Flu and Corona ‘flu’ will soon mix together in the public mind.

    I wonder if any of the Dannograd flu is actually Corona ‘flu’.
    It may indeed be here and living amongst us already.
    Don’t panic! Don’t panic!

    If we haven’t noticed so far there’s not too much to worry about.

  193. Some History

    A very good summary on the “Tiny Tyrant”… Pol Tot II.

    Nolte: The Fascist History of Tiny Tyrant Michael Bloomberg

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/02/19/nolte-fascist-history-tiny-tyrant-mike-bloomberg/

  194. mh

    Main front page story? Fat lezzo gave up AWFL because a spectator called her a lezzo.

    I wonder why newspapers are struggling? It’s a mystery.🤔

  195. It may indeed be here and living amongst us already.

    I have $1 that says this is the case.

  196. struth

    The truth behind the decline of the west, is that contrary to popular reason, women have no fear of physical violence from men, in response to their actions and words, which men themselves, must consider.
    Combine that with the need for security to nest build , and maternal instincts which ensure feelings trump facts…….[unconditional love of their offspring, denying their wrongdoing and blaming it on others is one example], and although I generalise, it’s a recipe for disaster.

  197. BorisG

    Lizzy, I think going on a cruise now or in the next few months is very risky. It takes just one person to create mayhem on board. Plus cruise ship may be denied entry into ports with no detected infections on board.

    Just heard an interview with a bloke who went on diamond princess for a couple of days to do a music gig and got stuck there. This is unpredictable at the moment.

  198. BorisG

    All eyes on the next two weeks right now though in Japan and Singapore.

    HK? Indonesia ?

  199. struth

    Get ’em back in the Kitchen I say…………………………they’d be happier, and so would we.

    It’s the natural way.

  200. johanna

    Helen, poignant story, I remember girls like the one you describe.

    It reminds us that there is only a thin veneer of civilisation keeping us safe. In the case of adolescent and young males, that veneer cracks quite often.

    Just look at all those stories of small town America where the town fathers were banging the ‘town bike.’

    Sexual libertarians are either stupid or disingenuous about the forces that they are unleashing. Sex is not a game. It is the primal force of any species – the need to reproduce and survive. It is at the core of that event where a man burned his wife and children to death.

    People who treat it as a fashion accessory are literally dicing with death. I remind readers of the hormone and drug riddled trannie who burst into a 7-11 in Waterloo brandishing a machete last year, and killed someone. No doubt that person’s ‘gender’ issues will be used as a defence, instead of a cause.

    I don’t care if people want to dress in the other sex’s clothing, or live like them. But I do object to schoolkids being taught that this is normal. It isn’t. I learned about trannies because I lived in Kings Cross – until then, I’d never heard of them. Because there were very few of them, and they hung around King’s Cross. Why should children in suburbia have it shoved in their faces?

  201. 132andBush

    calli
    #3329212, posted on February 20, 2020 at 6:52 am

    On my guess at steroids being to blame – on reflection, I was wrong. The mystery of evil can’t be explained so easily.

    A narcissist, who finally got told he couldn’t have things all his way?

  202. Bruce of Newcastle

    How do you decontaminate a whole cruise ship?
    This critter is also very tough to kill.

  203. struth

    Why should children in suburbia have it shoved in their faces?

    There are not enough men in education, real men, to call this out for the destructive lying cultural Marxism it is.
    It seems female teachers will believe anything they are told as feelings trump facts.[see above]
    I’m generalising of course, but it’s the truth.

  204. How do you decontaminate a whole cruise ship?
    This critter is also very tough to kill.

    Tactical nuke.

  205. johanna

    struth
    #3329456, posted on February 20, 2020 at 12:21 pm

    The truth behind the decline of the west, is that contrary to popular reason, women have no fear of physical violence from men, in response to their actions and words, which men themselves, must consider.

    Women never get thumped because of their actions or words? They have no fear of it? What planet are you living on?

    I guarantee that by end of play today I could get myself thumped by a man or men by means of actions or words. I’m thinking a bar towards closing time.

    Lift your game.

    This blog has been intubated by red cordial.

  206. struth

    Back in the kitchen with the lot of ya.
    except for Nursing and traditional women’s work, secretaries, that sort of thing.
    The experiment has failed.

    No female should be in charge of anything more than a ward of nurses or a shop counter.

  207. duncanm

    Helen
    #3329432, posted on February 20, 2020 at 11:59 am
    We have probably moved on from the Nigel no mates at school segment but I would like to relate something from my experience that ties in with that mob scene at Ohio Uni.

    Helen – fairly harrowing stuff.

    Its not just the nigel’s that get targeted by abusers, though. My school experience was a particularly nasty prick of a boy who used to delight in tormenting the nigels. I was his focus at one point, until I turned around in chapel and whacked him on the head with a bible. He moved on then.

    Years later, I found out he was a victim of one of the male teachers who’d been predating on various kids throughout the years.

    Whether this kids attitude was a consequence of the abuse, or existed prior, I don’t know.

  208. Lizzie:

    There is probably more danger on a cruise ship well away from Asian waters now than when this virus has penetrated widely into Western populations. We will make our decision in early March depending on how things pan out by then. A properly disinfected cruise ship has been shown capable of weathering the storms of a rotavirus; my main concern re Corona virus is the airborne mode, so I have my eyes on that more than anything. Aircon can be disinfected too, as Legionella demonstrates. No need to panic. Yet. 😀

    Check out where the crew come from. And don’t ever think a ship can be disinfected. 90% of the interior surface will never see sunlight or a UV lamp.
    You will see lots of Infection Theatre, and the aircon pads may get pulled out and cleaned, but the bits you can’t see – the ducts etc will not be cleaned to a level acceptable.

  209. Zatara

    Just look at all those stories of small town America where the town fathers were banging the ‘town bike.’

    Where would one find “all those stories of small town America where the town fathers were banging the ‘town bike'”?

    Or any story “of small town America where the town fathers were banging the ‘town bike'”.

  210. Cassie of Sydney

    “No female should be in charge of anything more than a ward of nurses or a shop counter.”

    Well I think the following women defy your statement…

    Elizabeth I
    Margaret Thatcher
    Golda Meir

    I know…there aren’t many.

  211. Helen

    I was his focus at one point, until I turned around in chapel and whacked him on the head with a bible. He moved on then.

    My sister had a theory when going to a new school, to flog the toughest girl there and then you had no problems. She did and we didn’t.

    duncanm it is true that if you stick up for yourself, you are generally left alone, they will move onto easier targets. I dont know re the predator bully link either, though there is plenty around to say abused quite often become the sexual abusers.

  212. Leigh Lowe

    How do you decontaminate a whole cruise ship?
    This critter is also very tough to kill.

    Actually, I am not sure that is right.
    I heard that it will not survive alcohol wipes or other common-or-garden disinfectants.
    How long it survives outside the human body without any antiseptic interference I don’t know.

  213. OldOzzie

    Barack Obama: A Traitor for the Ages

    As president, Obama appointed an assortment of people with extreme-left views to key positions in his administration, including: former White House green jobs czar Van Jones, a self-avowed communist; FCC chief diversity officer Mark Lloyd, who expressed admiration for Venezuela’s communist strongman, Hugo Chavez; White House communications director Anita Dunn, who told a high school graduating class that Mao is one of her most admired philosophers; and, White House manufacturing czar Ron Bloom, who said he agrees with Mao that “political power comes largely at the barrel of a gun.”

    During his eight years in office, Obama routinely exhibited contempt for America and its capitalist system. In referring to his “You didn’t build that!” admonition directed at private sector job creators, The Wall Street Journal observed that “rarely do politicians so clearly reveal their core beliefs.” In September 2011, Obama showed his full-throated support of the anti-capitalist Occupy Wall Street protests by announcing, “We are on their side.” An influential group of hardened anti-capitalists known at the highest levels of the Democratic Party, OWS’s behind-the-scenes leaders have long sought the total destruction of America’s capitalist system. In a pre-rally pep talk to Occupy protestors in Chicago, OWS inspiration Bill Ayers — the same Bill Ayers in whose living room Obama launched his political career — said this: “I wake up every morning thinking that today will be the day I end capitalism.”

  214. duncanm

    incoherent rambler
    #3329468, posted on February 20, 2020 at 12:34 pm
    How do you decontaminate a whole cruise ship?
    This critter is also very tough to kill.

    Tactical nuke.

    from orbit.. its the only way to be sure.

  215. struth

    Women never get thumped because of their actions or words? They have no fear of it? What planet are you living on?

    For God’s sake………………………………..next to never in comparison, and not as much as the male population would be belting each other if they carried on like western women are.

    Generally you are safe, and you know it.
    It’s why the females can go off half cocked about whatever they like.

    I’m living right here amongst all the fluorescent banana and orange people in Hivizistan.

    Now woman, I wasn’t speaking to you, I was speaking to the men, who know exactly what I am talking about.
    Back in the kitchen, go on, orf ya go……………………………….

  216. duncanm

    Helen
    #3329478, posted on February 20, 2020 at 12:42 pm
    duncanm it is true that if you stick up for yourself, you are generally left alone, they will move onto easier targets

    Too right.

    My eldest had a pretty hard time at a new primary school some years back. I told him he had my permission to thump the kid causing most of his grief, and I would deal with any blowback from the school. It was a hard argument, as the whole school system is geared against self defence.

  217. duncanm

    struth
    #3329482, posted on February 20, 2020 at 12:44 pm
    Women never get thumped because of their actions or words? They have no fear of it? What planet are you living on?

    For God’s sake………………………………..next to never in comparison, and not as much as the male population would be belting each other if they carried on like western women are.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/pussypassdenied/ shows some examples of the typical levels of bullshit men will put up with before they thump a woman.

  218. johanna

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3329465, posted on February 20, 2020 at 12:30 pm

    How do you decontaminate a whole cruise ship?
    This critter is also very tough to kill.

    Yup, those of us who are fans of Mighty Ships know just how hard that would be. They are engineering marvels, but contain thousands of kilometres of tubes holding wires, other tubes, and tubes within those tubes. Their aircon systems are heavily involved in the ‘tubes’ thing.

    I wouldn’t set foot on a cruise ship until it had done a couple of trips with no mishaps.

  219. Leigh Lowe

    A narcissist, who finally got told he couldn’t have things all his way?

    And a high level fantasist.
    I think we can call bullshit on the whole NRL career thing.
    He allegedly was “recruited” in 2005.
    His age was given in today’s paper as 42.
    That means he was 27 when “recruited”.
    Now, no-one gets recruited at 27 unless they are an amalgam of Billy Slater, Izzy Folau and King Walter Lewis.
    Is this really relevant?
    Maybe.
    It speaks of a fantasist who still believes he is/was/coodaben a sports hero.
    42 would be about the age when reality mugs even the dimmest bulb dreamer.

  220. OldOzzie

    Britain’s health services will not give non-emergency care to non-woke people

    The NHS has now decided on a different way to rid itself of the elderly — a method, moreover, that meets all political correctness metrics:

    Sexist and racist patients could be barred from non-emergency care at NHS trusts, under new rules to be enforced from April.

    England does not have a First Amendment. Hate crimes can include being mean on social media about someone’s sexual orientation or gender identification, race, or sex. In 2017, a preacher was locked up for quoting the Bible’s words about homosexuality. Just last week, a teenager with Asperger’s asked a “transgender” police officer, “is it a boy or is it a girl?” Because that question made this representative of the law “upset and embarrassed,” the boy was placed under house arrest.

    Elderly people make up most of the patients in any health care system. They are also the people least likely to be “woke.” Without malice, they may use old-fashioned phrases that are now considered offensive when referring to women, homosexuality, or race. They probably don’t even have a vocabulary for “non-binary” people.

    In addition, elderly people often lack filters. One of the signs of dementia is a lessening of inhibition, both verbal and physical. An elderly person’s early-stage dementia may not be obvious, except that the person might start saying things he would never have said if fully mentally competent.

    And now, thanks to the new policy at the National Health Service, any employee whose feelings are hurt can ban a patient, elderly or not, from receiving taxpayer-funded health care. Think about this care situation and a confused older patient:

  221. johanna

    ‘Generally you are safe’ is not what you said.

    What is it with you blokes today? Not getting any?

  222. mh

    memoryvault has joined us again

    Peter the old fossil
    #3329159, posted on February 20, 2020 at 1:44 am
    I swore I would never comment on this forum again, but some things are more important than pride…

  223. struth

    What is it with you blokes today? Not getting any?

    He he

    Meeeeeeooooooooow!

  224. 132andBush

    42 would be about the age when reality mugs even the dimmest bulb dreamer.

    Yep and then his wife stood up to him, finally.
    This bloke wasn’t “pushed to the limit” at all.
    He was the only one who could be in charge.

  225. Mark A

    pondering

    One finally reached old age when one really gets out of step with what everyone seems to find amusing or even acceptable.
    Or perhaps it’s just you?

  226. johanna

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3329476, posted on February 20, 2020 at 12:40 pm

    “No female should be in charge of anything more than a ward of nurses or a shop counter.”

    Well I think the following women defy your statement…

    Elizabeth I
    Margaret Thatcher
    Golda Meir

    I know…there aren’t many.

    So, there is nothing between a shop counter and head of a nation worthy of discussion?

    Once again, Cassie, I see why none of your schoolmates liked you. What a stupid, reductionist view of the world you have.

    As the Bell curve suggests, men are more at the extremes and women are more in the middle. There have been many women who excelled in science, commerce, literature and so on – and for you to suggest that they don’t exist is disgraceful.

    The fact is that brilliant men outnumber brilliant women. As a woman, I do not feel threatened by this, but nor do I pretend that there have not been a lot of brilliant women. And remember, at the tail end we get a lot of men (some of whom we have been discussing) who are the drop kick failures wreaking havoc wherever they go.

    What with not getting along with people at school, is there some self-hating going on here?

    BTW, last night’s discussion stirred me to call Kerrie, my high school friend. We still click together like we did in 1970. You curmudgeouns who never made friends at school missed out on a lot.

  227. JC

    mh

    It’s classic concern trolling.

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