Can’t leave this IPA booger hanging

Our friends at the IPA put out a really good weekly podcast called Looking Forward.

However, in their show of 19 February, something was said that TAFKAS can’t just leave hanging.

At around 40.35, Andrew Bushnell said:

…. Tony Abbott, who is probably the most conservative Prime Minister we’ve had, certainly …. Probably more conservative even than Howard.

WHAT!!!!

TAFKAS is not sure what Bushnell was drinking out of his cup, but come on.

Ok.  Perhaps if your sample pool is Howard, Rudd, Gillard, Rudd, Abbott, Turnbull, Morrisson, then perhaps on a relative basis, Abbott is/was conservative.  But was he conservative in the classic political sense?  Don’t think so.

Worse than Abbott not being a political conservative was that he was politically incompetent and created the conditions that allowed for the Prime Ministership of Malcolm Turnbull.  A Prime Ministership that may personally irk Abbott, but that all Australians have and will continue to suffer and pay for for very long time.

Conserve on that!

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19 Responses to Can’t leave this IPA booger hanging

  1. Herodotus

    Rather than blame Abbott, how about looking at the Liberal Party as a whole? It evolved away from its base to such an extent that it dumped him and elected Turnbull, who even the ABC liked.
    The Libs in Victoria couldn’t run an effective opposition, and then when in government were a complete yawn.
    The LNP in QLD under Campbell Newman were crucified by many inside and outside the media for doing mostly good things but being painted as brutalist. The reward for QLD voters has been the unholy Labor mob that has re-stacked the public service and opposed Adani.

  2. Robber Baron

    Too busy to listen/watch.

    Why don’t they do something useful like lobby the federal government to reduce the size of government? That would solve many problems.

  3. Herodotus

    It’d be good if the IPA could get past depictions of local manufacturing as feeding the big corporations with subsidies, and the value of the product being just a cultural artifact, tribal at that. They are sounding like undergrad boasters while Greg Sheridan makes some more mature points.
    The removal of tariffs is largely an ideological preoccupation, not something most of the developed world has actually done. The dream of a globally viable industry is just that. The result of rationalist economic thought is outsourcing to China and others while our society shrivels into a bunch of incapable, skills poor, welfare dependant consumers of foreign products.

  4. Iampeter

    …. Tony Abbott, who is probably the most conservative Prime Minister we’ve had, certainly …. Probably more conservative even than Howard.

    This whole bit is a good example why those who are actually right wing (meaning individualist and capitalist) shouldn’t be friends with the IPA at all.

    Worse than Abbott not being a political conservative…

    But then what IS a political conservative?

    Sorry but what needs go be discovered by conservatives is that if you’ve come looking for an individualist and capitalist movement then you’ve come to the wrong place in conservatism.

  5. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Some of Tonee Yabbott’s “garden variety conservative” idiocies while PM:

    • Increased taxes
    • Increased government spending
    • Ran massive budget deficits
    • Appointed collectivist mediocrities (BIRM) to comfy taxpayer funded sinecures
    • Refused to abolish section 18c of the RDA
    • Appointed Waffles Turnbuckle as minister for the NBNN and the ALPBC
    • Turbocharged the NDIS
    • Introduced a backdoor carbon tax

    They’re just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

    Let’s face it – he was absolutely bloody hopeless as PM. He was a crafty operator as leader of the opposition, but you have to take into account the drooling cretins he was up against. Monocellular organisms existing under a rock would have been harder to outsmart.

  6. Cassie of Sydney

    “Herodotus
    #3329234, posted on February 20, 2020 at 7:35 am
    Rather than blame Abbott, how about looking at the Liberal Party as a whole? It evolved away from its base to such an extent that it dumped him and elected Turnbull, who even the ABC liked.
    The Libs in Victoria couldn’t run an effective opposition, and then when in government were a complete yawn.
    The LNP in QLD under Campbell Newman were crucified by many inside and outside the media for doing mostly good things but being painted as brutalist. The reward for QLD voters has been the unholy Labor mob that has re-stacked the public service and opposed Adani.”

    A very good summation. As for Abbott….he paved the way…..actually smoothed the way….for Turnbull. Abbott is a decent man but in this day and age…when up against the feral progressive left….we need brutal ideological warriors….which is why Trump is so successful. We saw Abbott’s decency on display in Warringah before the May election. Apparently he and the Liberal party knew a month before that he would lose to the slag Steggall. Abbott and the Libs should have gone nuclear with Steggall…there was a lot of ammo to use against the slag…….but of course they didn’t..they were decent until the end….Queensberry rules even when they being thrown over North Head at Manly.

  7. Pyrmonter

    As was noted by a long list of Cat contributors between 2013 and 2015 (and some of us before then) Abbott was neither a conservative in the political sense nor terribly competent. He was a factional campaigner, whose government was inept. TAFKAS’s assessment that Turnbull was worse could be debated: he gave much more of an impression of technocratic competence; to have the impulse control Abbott lacked; and, unlike Abbott and his fraught relationship with his chief advisor, to be his own man. He was neither consistent nor terribly good, but he never led the coalition to an electoral loss, unlike Abbott, who failed in 2010 and was leading the coalition in the direction of a repetition of that performance, and the installation of Shorten, in 2016.

  8. Tombell

    As for Abbott….he paved the way…..actually smoothed the way….for Turnbull. Abbott is a decent man but in this day and age…when up against the feral progressive left….we need brutal ideological warriors

    Agree 100%.

  9. Iampeter

    Take 2:

    Tony Abbott, who is probably the most conservative Prime Minister we’ve had, certainly …. Probably more conservative even than Howard.

    I think this comment alone is why any actual right wingers (meaning individualists and capitalists) shouldn’t be friends with the IPA at all.

    Worse than Abbott not being a political conservative

    Then what is a “political conservative?” Howard? Trump? Bush?

    All this talk about Abbott laying the ground for Turnbull makes no sense since simply by doing almost nothing Turnbull wasn’t as left wing as Abbott. Or Howard. Or Trump.

    The issue for these discussions goes back to what you think the fundamental alternatives in politics is and where you think conservatives sit. Hint: it’s not on the opposite side of those they call “ the left.”

  10. Tony Abbott, who is probably the most conservative Prime Minister

    Ahem…deep breath…tissues ready…

    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    Ahhhhhhh…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    Pffft…tschh…cough splutter…
    AHAHAHAHA!
    AHAHA!
    HA!

    I’m all for free speech and everything but it should be illegal to utter the words “Abbott” and “conservative” in the same sentence.

    The man is, was and always will be an utter, sopping, dripping wet, soaked to the bone liberal.
    He’s so bloody wet he is the sham wow of liberals. Bill Clinton was more conservative than Abbott FFS.

    Tony Fraser Chamberlain Abbott Sham Wow liberal.

    Lovely bloke though.

    I do wish people would STFU about him. He’s a useless relic, leave him to his firefighting and life saving. He’s not coming back, at least I hope he isn’t, he’s a dead donkey, stop flogging it. He blew the biggest chance to bury the left and turn the country around and set this place back 30 years, though probably forever as it is unlikely we will ever be right again. But people keep on dangling him in front of stupid starry-eyed dolts like some kind of talisman. It’s like watching geriatrics at a Pink Floyd concert cheering for an encore through their gummy mouths.

  11. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mr Rusty
    #3329316, posted on February 20, 2020 at 10:11 am”

    Bloody brilliant Mr Rusty.

  12. H B Bear

    Abbott’s main role was as Howard’s henchman in Parliament.

    He became Leader of the Opposition when the only other choice wasMalcolm Turnbull.
    He became Prime Minister when the only other choice was KRuddy Mk II.

    He truly was Australia’s accidental PM. And not a very good one at that.

  13. davefromweewaa

    If Abbott hadn’t replaced Turnbull we would have had Rudd’s emissions trading scheme. Without Abbott we’d still have boatloads of self selected third world immigrants.
    Plenty of harmful things happened under Abbott but considering the Black handed traitors in his cabinet, how could it have been otherwise?

    The most shameful act of liberal party bastardry was Howard convincing Turnbull not to retire.

  14. a happy little debunker

    Turnbull…unlike Abbott and his fraught relationship with his chief advisor, to be his own man.

    Martin Parkinson (Secretary of the Department of the Treasury) who fully colluded with the then Communications Minister Turnbull to remove their Prime Minister and undermine his authority would be a much more fraught relationship – but for some reason this was never fully explored or exposed by the national media.
    Attempting to smear Tony Abbott & Peta Credlin apparently worked in the minds of some commentators.

  15. Tim Neilson

    The Libs in Victoria couldn’t run an effective opposition, and then when in government were a complete yawn.

    True, there were lots of things they could usefully have done but they did nothing.

    But having a totally inert government isn’t all bad. In the absence of a microjoule of energy being applied to the task of formulating “policy initiatives”, Victoria’s budget drifted from serious deficit back into surplus.

    Just in time for The People’s Republic of CFMEUistan to be established under the Setka government, with the Hunchback of Spring Street as titular leader.

  16. Art Vandelay

    Three of the four High Court judges who recently introduced a race-based exception to the Constitution’s “aliens” power were appointed by the Liberals:

    For the Coalition, the most devastating aspect of the ruling was political: three of the four judges who ignored Kiefel’s warning had been appointed by the Coalition: Geoffrey Nettle, Michelle Gordon and James Edelman — all of whom were selected when George Brandis was attorney-general in governments led by Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull.

    Edelman, however, is a brilliant West Australian and is known to have been held in high regard by fellow West Australian Christian Porter, who succeeded Brandis as Attorney-General.

    The Liberals really are the stupid party.

  17. Squirrel

    The Abbott government would have had claim to being conservative had it shown the skill and determination to implement the recommendations of the commission of audit which it established shortly after being elected, and some of the policies it had floated in opposition (e.g. privatisation of large chunks of the welfare bureaucracy), but which vanished without trace once they took power.

  18. Tim Neilson

    He was neither consistent nor terribly good, but he never led the coalition to an electoral loss, unlike Abbott, who failed in 2010

    I think it’s unfair to criticise Abbott for 2010.

    First, the only time since Australia developed a two party system that a new government has lost its first election was Scullin/Labor after the Great Depression hit. So, bad as RGR was, it’s against the tide of history to think Abbott should have won. Especially with the “Julia’s got XX chromosomes” factor.

    Second, in 2010 voters in a majority of electorates did in fact vote for what they thought were candidates who’d support Abbott over Gillard – it’s just that Oakeshotte and Windsor betrayed their electorates.
    So Abbott didn’t so much lose the actual election as lose the post-election chicanery.
    And he can’t be blamed for that. For all their protestations Oakeshotte and Windsor were never going to miss the opportunity for revenge against the National Party – they’d rather see Australia destroyed in a nuclear holocaust than see the Nationals achieve any success.

    Conversely the Mick Trumble Election Winning Machine very nearly did a Scullin in 2016. Malcolm the Magician made enough Photios Party seats disappear to lose government – it was only the Nationals picking up a seat from Labor that saved Trumble from total humiliation.

    So I’d rate Abbott a better election leader than Trumble.

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