Open Forum: February 22, 2020

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  1. Herodotus

    Yes, Lizzie there were a lot of very happy snaps with mum and Dad.

  2. Knuckle ragger:

    The technology in the pillow, as related by the information on the label was developed by NASA before being transferred to the bedding field of endeavour.
    Therefore, I am in possession of an astronaut pillow. Which in turn means I am far superior to everyone else.

    I have one made from memory foam.
    It doesn’t work – I still forget shit.

  3. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    making a desperate attempt to bring his case into the courts of public opinion, even though it breaks a court order demanding his silence about the case.

    I hope he can be put in contact with various activist groups that are working hard to stop this sort of child abuse, nationally and internationally. They may be able to provide him with a writer who could write up the details of his experiences for publication to show the true nature of the horror the child has been subject to – for someone somewhere must be encouraging her.

    Where is the child’s mother? Or other relatives?

    One positive thing he can do is tell the girl of his deep concern and disapproval, that she is not a man and never will be a man. Things have gone so far now that the ‘system’ can probably do no worse for her and him as her father, even if they do remove her from his care for lack of support for her ‘choice’. At least from then on and into her future she will know that someone who loved her tried to save her, and she will also have more recourse to evidence when she wants to sue the hell out of them when she falls in love with a guy at 23 and wants a baby as a woman.

  4. mh

    Bernie now into $1.90 for Dem nomination.

    Should be entertaining from here on in.

  5. bespoke

    I try and sometimes fail to address your comments in it’s entirety Lizzie but I do try. Substance beats word count every time.

  6. DrBeauGan

    for someone somewhere must be encouraging her.

    Where is the child’s mother?

    Quite possibly doing the encouraging. But it’s a societal thing that allows the ignorant and stupid to believe medics can turn a girl into a boy. Things went critical when there were laws that said we weren’t allowed to tell trannies that there was something wrong with their brains, not their bodies.

  7. Some History

    Bernie now into $1.90 for Dem nomination.

    https://imgur.com/UliIiHh

  8. mh

    Bernie’s lunatic fringe are likely to embarrass his campaign if he gets the nomination.

    🍿🍿🍿

  9. The gils have departed for fairer shores.
    Good times though, god bless em.

  10. Weird Betting Market anomaly…
    Bernie has formed to odds on to win, yet the market for Contested Convention on Ladbrokes 2020 Specials board, has also tightened to 1.8…
    The Box! The Box!

  11. Trump to spank Bernie- 3.25
    Trump to Win by greater margin than ’16- 2.1

  12. Nick

    Suck shit

    EU gripped by budget chaos after Brexit: Austria, Denmark, the Netherlands and Sweden REFUSE to pay for one trillion euro plan to help poor regions, fight climate change and plug budget black hole left by Britain’s departure

  13. Zyconoclast

    The biggest factor in the occurence of mass shootings, on the other hand?
    We know that.
    Being resident in a gun- free zone multiplies your chances many times.
    Being resident in a country like South Africa or Mexico, where private gun ownership is effectively banned, multiplies your chances of getting shot dead by a factor of 30.

    Or Baltimore USA

    Year Homicides (City, Number) City, Rate U.S., Rate
    2001 256 38.7 5.6
    2002 253 37.7 5.6
    2003 270 41.9 5.7
    2004 276 43.5 5.5
    2005 269 42 5.7
    2006 276 43.3 5.8
    2007 282 45.2 5.7
    2008 234 36.9 5.4
    2009 238 37.3 5.0
    2010 223 34.8 4.8
    2011 196 31.1 4.7
    2012 218 34.9 4.7
    2013 233 37.4 4.5
    2014 211 33.8 4.9
    2015 344 55.4 5.1
    2016 318 51.4 5.3
    2017 343 57.8 5.7
    2018 309 50.5 5.7
    [19] Rate = per 100,000

  14. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bernie now into $1.90 for Dem nomination.

    The DNC is working its arse off trying to undermine Bernie, but in a way that limits the fury of the Bernie Bros. So seems doubtful he’ll get the nom, if only because of the effect on the understory candidates.

    Bloomberg blames Bernie Bros for Tennessee office’s vandalism (21 Feb)

    They ain’t happy kiddies.

  15. Zyconoclast

    Whoops that didn’t work

    In brief, Baltimore murder rate is topically 8-10 times greater that the overall US murder rate.

  16. mh

    The DNC is working its arse off trying to undermine Bernie, but in a way that limits the fury of the Bernie Bros. So seems doubtful he’ll get the nom, if only because of the effect on the understory candidates.

    🤔

  17. Armadillo

    Should be entertaining from here on in.

    Definately. Looks like Bloomberg can’t win (the last debate was a train wreck).

    I see “the pundits” are still saying “the money” and the amount of cash he’s spending on advertising will end up getting him through because voters don’t watch Democrat primary debates.

    “Wall to wall” advertising is the answer.

    They would say that, wouldn’t they?

  18. miltonf

    “Wall to wall” advertising is the answer.

    They would say that, wouldn’t they?

    You can’t polish a turd. Well I hope not anyway.

  19. vlad

    I have to smile at seeing the mumbler say you could never tell the Americans anything.

    Projection?

  20. miltonf

    This transexual shit seems to be the latest cultural marxist assault on western countries.

  21. Old Ozzie:
    American Thinker and the Attempted Coup.
    Excellent article OO.
    I would suggest everyone who hasn’t read it do so, and carefully.

  22. Helen

    Ha! lost on the old fred. It was cheeky, I’ll leave it there.

  23. Now talking to the hipster,Drumpf boys.
    They got upset when I called them Total NPC’s
    One of them is a Uni tutor.
    They’re fkn hilarious though.
    Laughing in their face at their bullshit is epic. They hate it 🤣🤣🤣

  24. Gunner:

    I’ll get my man, Fast Eddie, to referee. He’ll keep it under control.

    Don’t you mean Steady Eddie?

  25. 8th Dan

    mum’s nervous titter

    was no such thing.

    Mum … assuming that was her doing the videoing … was having fun and giggling at the antics of the kids with their father.

  26. I asked them my current Triggering Question.
    “Name one achievement of your guy,Barrack?
    In 8 years,xunt, with a stacked deck?
    Do t use the the terms, ObamaCare, or the Affordable Health Act.
    Lol ”
    Then you see the NPC. Hehe

  27. MatrixTransform

    You can’t polish a turd

    you could cover it in glitter

  28. Armadillo

    You can’t polish a turd. Well I hope not anyway.

    The MSM will give it their best shot. These are the same people who invited Stormy Daniels “lawyer” on prime time TV shows and touted him as the next POTUS.

  29. Don’t you mean Steady Eddie?
    Nah, Fast Eddie. Hard old xunt, top bloke.
    Reckons he used to work as muscle for literally, “colourful Sydney racing identity”
    He’s a fkn sik xunt.

  30. MatrixTransform

    was having fun and giggling at the antics of the kids with their father.

    see what I mean ??

  31. Bruce of Newcastle

    Looks like Bloomberg can’t win (the last debate was a train wreck).

    Fun theory is he’s hoping to be frozen out by the Dems so he can run as a third party candidate with Pierre Delecto as veep choice. Or vice versa.

    Romney-Bloomberg ticket would heal divided America, author says (21 Feb)

    The hypothetical Romney-Bloomberg ticket would give millions and millions of independent and moderate Democratic and Republican voters stuck in the middle a solid choice for president, which doesn’t exist now between democratic-socialist Bernie Sanders and current White House occupant and Twitter-flamethrower President Donald Trump.

    That’s what author, Maryland business executive and former U.S. Senate candidate Neal Simon wrote in his article he shared with Lee Lonsberry on KSL NewsRadio’s show Live Mic.

    I love RINOs. So many millions and millions of GoP voters are stuck for a candidate that Trump’s approval rate among them is a tiny 94% right now. I suspect it’s actually higher than that as the pollsters routinely put their thumbs on the scales.

  32. Currently getting schwhacked with chemo/radiation.
    Still rolls into the pub but. No drinking, but has a fag&a puff of a spliff.
    His fkn head is pretty pasty, yo.
    The fkr will ref the fight though.
    And he’s not even the hardest bugger at The Vine.
    :smoking:

  33. kaysee

    I love RINOs. So many millions and millions of GoP voters are stuck for a candidate

    They could pick this one:
    Gil Fulbright for President with this Honest Political Ad

  34. Uni tutor?
    Lol, I fkn called the AltRight revolution and told them “You da man,now,bro! Viva la revolution”
    They still think dey the ones fighting the Oppressors. Lachlan Murdoch is more SS than his dad, they reckon?
    Lol.
    They’re actually sorta Logica leftists though…
    Red pills work on them. A little.
    #JohntheBaptistLyfr

  35. Mother Lode

    I just saw that the new Wussia story is a hoax.

    Colour me surprised.

    But honestly, has anyone outlined why Russia would want Trump as President?

    The Democrat mob (and plenty of Republicans) will be far more to the Russian taste. Vain, pliable, gullible, and easily duped people who can be relied upon to are more interested in their own interests than America’s (so you engineer their choices to be in those terms) would be more to their taste.

    So my question is: Why would the Russians want to help Trump?

  36. Armadillo

    Trump seriously needs to lay off people like Elizabeth Warren and Adam Schiff.

    These will be the people leading the Democrats “out of the wilderness” after the greatest defeat in American political history

  37. Hehe, another big,fit deplorable shook my hand because I’m rolling a MAGA hat.
    Why are the deplorables always guys that could help you reposition an artillery piece?
    #ProudBoys

  38. Bruce of Newcastle

    American Thinker and the Attempted Coup.
    Excellent article OO.
    I would suggest everyone who hasn’t read it do so, and carefully.

    McConnell has come around to backing the Trump agenda rather nicely in the last year or so. Which is a quiet road to Damascus conversion since he was impeding him badly during the first year. He’s lately been ramming judges through the Senate with the enthusiasm of a Vickers gun loader on meth.

    Which gets us to what happens in November. If the Dems faceplant bigly the GoP will have a lock on the House and the Senate. The new entrants will mostly be Trumpians. And a lot of the GoP is pretty pissed off with the Dems and the judicial branch right now.

    A nice big batch of wholesale impeachments of lefty judges could be in the wings. Which, I suspect, the 1,100 beaks have just realized is a scenario with increasing possibility. They ain’t dumb, after all, just bent.

  39. Has JC been in with the Manhattan caravan park updates?

  40. cohenite

    Bernie’s lunatic fringe are likely to embarrass his campaign if he gets the nomination.

    Perzackarly, the left can’t help themselves, they have zilch dignity and are really vindictive creeps. Speaking of which turdball has Bolta in his sights:

    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun February 20, 2020
    Oh, dear. Now Malcolm Turnbull wants me silenced, too, retweeting a call to Foxtel to “dump the climate deniers on Sky News”. So what does the great Turnbull — so famously mild of temper, so forgiving of his critics — want me to stop saying and you to stop hearing? Well, it can’t be the (true) story I told on Tuesday about Turnbull inviting Bill Shorten to his harbourside mansion for dinner.
    Heard this one? Shorten thought he’d better impress his rich host, so splashed out $70 on a couple of bottles of Victoria’s best.
    But Turnbull took the gifts, put them aside, and served Shorten a bottle of sub-$20 plonk instead.
    But, wait. I told that story after Turnbull’s retweet. So maybe this really is about global warming.
    So on the off-chance Foxtel will heed Turnbull and hand me the pink slip, here’s exactly the kind of thing Turnbull apparently wants silenced.
    It involves our chief scientist, Alan Finkel, a respectable warmist.
    Now, I have never been the “climate denier” that Turnbull claims.
    I don’t deny there is a climate, and don’t deny it changes.
    I’ve said for years there’s been some small warming over the past century.
    What I question is whether that warming is all bad.
    And I wonder whether we’re being told the truth about that, because see how frantically prominent warmists either deny there’s anything good about global warming, or twist the obviously good things into something bad.
    Enter Alan Finkel.
    One most excellent things about global warming, said to be caused in part by our emissions, is that it’s helping to make the planet a lot greener, as NASA satellites have shown.
    Even better, it’s helping to give the world record grain crops.
    More food should be celebrated, right?
    But last week, Finkel argued that this kind of growth was actually a menace, and one more reason we should “stop” global warming.
    Why? Because those extra leaves meant bigger bushfires, he told the ABC: “Associated with that warming, you see more growth in winter so the undergrowth load is heavier, a little bit faster, because of the increased carbon dioxide which plants of course use as a food.”
    Oh, so our carbon dioxide is plant food?
    But that’s exactly the kind of heresy I’d be sacked for spreading.

  41. Confused Old Misfit

    Trump seriously needs to lay off people like Elizabeth Warren and Adam Schiff.

    LOL!

    These will be the people leading the Democrats “out of the wilderness” after the greatest defeat in American political history

    ROFLMAO!

  42. vlad

    Forget the most expensive RV and some of the other top-bracket ones look okay. Just like very big buses.

    https://blog.campingworld.com/rv-basics/finding-your-rv/the-5-most-luxurious-rvs/

    Not my thing, though. I don’t see any bookcases onboard.

  43. after the greatest defeat in American political history

    Word.
    True…it’s true….
    Trump is now destroying the left, politically.
    Hehe, fkn, this guy!?!?
    The Greens will get a boost, but Senk’s crew are going to own the Dems next cycle.
    A quarter of the peeps ain’t getting you elected.
    Bernie Bros accelerate from there.
    Say it with me – Dynasty is not a dirty word.
    Trump’s America
    4D chess, mofos.
    #PlayingOnEasyMode

  44. Armadillo

    But honestly, has anyone outlined why Russia would want Trump as President?

    The dossier made the case. He wants to build Trump Hotels all over Russia and likes pissing on Russian hookers.

    The FBI and CIA took up the case with full gusto.

  45. vlad

    I would say the RV lifestyle is probably better suited to the States than Australia.

    You could see everything this country has to offer in six weeks.

    Whereas in the United States you could tour endlessly.

  46. Armadillo:

    Winston seems rather frantic. What’s up buddy? Explain.

    I have about a dozen of them. Well everyone knows how disease and pox ridden armadillos are, so I wash them. They just do not survive the spin cycle. (Not that it’s easy to tell, they usually look like they have a cross between mange and leprosy.)

  47. OldOzzie

    Tailgunner
    #3331909, posted on February 22, 2020 at 7:28 pm
    Currently getting schwhacked with chemo/radiation.

    Total sympathy – on second lot Chemo – round 7 increased Chemo dosage

    MRI Monday night – PET Scan Thursday – review Cancer progression week later with Oncologist – Bouncing along – currently on glass of red listening to Hairy Maclary being read to 3 year old by Nonna, followed by “Come Over to My House”

  48. This is what Winning feels like!
    Dragon Energy
    #altRightlyfe

  49. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Australia relaxes coronavirus travel ban to allow some students from mainland China
    The federal health minister, Greg Hunt, says Covid-19 has been contained in Australia so some students can come, but not those from Hubei

  50. Respect, OldOz, bloody bloke acts like it’s no big thing.
    He’s losing weight though, fkd, I reckon?
    Straya

  51. Nick

    Was thinking the same thing Zip.

  52. Helen

    duncanm, I caght that post re the female/male casualties in Russia over the war. Add to that the deaths and camps after, for anyone who was a prisoner of war.

    Lizzie, I saw on Dr Campbell today that he says it is aerosol spread on the Princess. At least by the time you go you will know the facts. It must be hell trying to second guess something no-one knows much about – yet – and will we ever know the full amount? Figures fudged in China, I guess VIETNAM and other Asian countries will tell the story. And anywhere with poor hygiene habits/skills/kmowledge.

    Zippy, I think it was you posted that dog vid from that very well spoken guy. Take home message. Dog is available all over China even in the big plash cities, you can search it like looking for uber eats or your local chinese back here. And dogs are tortured to death, skinned alive, cooked alive, generally tortured before death, this is because it is believed that of the dog is stressed it will be more tender.

    To an extent this may be true vis bull baiting in England years ago, where staffies (what they were bred for) baited bulls to get their stress levels up before slaughter.

    This does effect levels of calpain protease and Calpastatin protein which does have some tenderising effect on beef (however, correct treatment of the carcass, slow chilling cryovaccing, long ageing will do the same) and this may perhaps be extrapolated to dogs.

    BUT even so, there is no excuse for it when long slow cooking will achieve the same result if you dont have a fridge. It is archaic and barbarous.

  53. vlad

    JC last night asked who would buy some of these top-of-the-line RVs.

    I would say rock bands on tour would leap at them. The traditional bus was similar; these take that to the next level. And usd$2m? Petty cash.

  54. I call him Hippie mofo now when I see him.
    😃
    Fkn, ya gotta laugh, or you’d cry?
    Straya

  55. vlad

    federal health minister, Greg Hunt, says Covid-19 has been contained in Australia so some students can come

    What a fuckwit. He can put them up in his house.

  56. Hehehehe
    JC is now rolling tasseled boat shoes and creased jeans as he gets out to set up the awning and unhook the Suzuki for a trip to the diner.
    🤣🤣🤣
    #NYClyfe

  57. Confused Old Misfit

    This does effect levels of calpain protease and Calpastatin protein which does have some tenderising effect on beef (however, correct treatment of the carcass, slow chilling cryovaccing, long ageing will do the same) and this may perhaps be extrapolated to dogs.

    It is the same with pork and lamb. They are kept as calm as possible in a good slaughterhouse.
    There is no reason to believe that the same would not apply to canines.

  58. Armadillo

    I would say the RV lifestyle is probably better suited to the States than Australia.

    A word of advice. The vast majority of Cats are too old to hold a Drivers Licence, let alone driving a RV.

    It’s why they travel by Cruise Ship, Aeroplane and Uber.

  59. Mother Lode

    federal health minister, Greg Hunt, says Covid-19 has been contained in Australia

    A situation he is intent on remedying, it would seem.

    I wonder how many other people mispronounce his surname as ‘Hunt’?

  60. Armadillo

    Or in Arkys case, he just sits on a wooden box, looks at the Model A, and dreams.

  61. rickw

    federal health minister, Greg Hunt, says Covid-19 has been contained in Australia so some students can come

    What a fuckwit. He can put them up in his house.

    In the process of dodging a bullet and the fucktards in Government do their best to poke our head above the parapet.

  62. Russian hookers.

    God bless em.
    The mother of my boy resembles that remark.
    🤣
    Or FSB
    🤷

  63. OldOzzie

    vlad
    #3331925, posted on February 22, 2020 at 7:47 pm
    I would say the RV lifestyle is probably better suited to the States than Australia.

    You could see everything this country has to offer in six weeks.

    Yep 17,000Km Sydney to Perth over 5 weeks 4WD using Troopy from Travel Car Centre including Simpson, Canning/

    Looking at suggesting to my ex-Chairman from Godalming/Dublin (co traveller on many 4WD Drive trips – my wife does not understand why he does not strangle me on the trips – easy – he is anallly retentive and totally organised, but great Irishman – – I just relax and let him organise)

    Anyway, am going to suggest we use the Travel Centre Centre Specials

    eg – Cat From To Pickup Drop Off Price Special
    F Perth Perth Now0 . 1/04/2020 . $69 per day Seasonal Special

    He flies from UK or Dublin to Perth – me from STD to PER – could do a lot in 4 weeks 4WD ex Perth.

    Anyway something to plan for.

  64. Bruce of Newcastle

    I think the Red Queen was cruel to use a hedgehog for a croquet ball.
    An armadillo would’ve been much better.

  65. Mother Lode

    It’s why they travel by Cruise Ship, Aeroplane and Uber.

    I tried to get a cruise ship from Central to Mosman last night.

    Frickin’ pointless. Probably captained by Indians who keep them so bloody hot that there is no heat gradient to get the engines working.

  66. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    A study, shared by the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Anaylsis, discovered that an estimated massive two thirds of coronavirus cases may remain undetected worldwide.

    “Although travel restrictions from Wuhan City and other cities across China may have reduced the absolute number of travellers to and from China, we estimated that about two thirds of COVID-19 cases exported from mainland China have remained undetected worldwide, potentially resulting in multiple chains of as yet undetected human-to-human transmission outside mainland China,” the study read.

  67. rickw

    The DNC is working its arse off trying to undermine Bernie, but in a way that limits the fury of the Bernie Bros. So seems doubtful he’ll get the nom, if only because of the effect on the understory candidates.

    Bernie fascinates me, it’s like people voting for mould. It’s just inexplicable.

  68. BorisG

    But honestly, has anyone outlined why Russia would want Trump as President?

    Trump has been far friendlier to Putin the regional bully than any of the alternatives. He called for Russia to be admitted into G7. He essentially refused to condemn Putin for various crimes, including the chemical weapons attack in the UK. It is unclear what causes Trumps infatuation with Putin but is for all to see.

    More broadly, Trump has questioned the need for NATO, article 5 etc. He has created a big disarraywith the Europeans. This is just gold for Putin and his cronies.

  69. OldOzzie

    Armadillo
    #3331938, posted on February 22, 2020 at 8:00 pm
    I would say the RV lifestyle is probably better suited to the States than Australia.

    A word of advice. The vast majority of Cats are too old to hold a Drivers Licence, let alone driving a RV.

    Armadillo

    Bulls Twaddle – Just renewed Heavy Vehicle HC Drivers Licence and Full Motorcycle Licence for 5 years and passed compulsory yearly medical for 75 years.

  70. Bruce of Newcastle

    Russian hookers.

    Licenced?

    California Bill Would Require Occupational Licenses for Porn Actors, Strippers, Cam Girls (20 Feb)

    On Tuesday, Assemblymembers Lorena Gonzalez (D–San Diego) and Christina Garcia (D–Bell Gardens) introduced Assembly Bill (A.B.) 2389. The bill would require adult entertainers and video performers, including webcam performers, to obtain a business license and complete a state-mandated training course before being allowed to ply their trade.

    Requirements for that training would be developed by the state’s Department of Industrial Relations (DIR), which would, in turn, be advised by a new 10-member, governor-appointed board composed of two adult film actors, three dancers, two medical doctors, a therapist, and a money manager.

    I wonder how much a porn actor’s licence will cost? And who gets to do the training?

  71. BorisG

    federal health minister, Greg Hunt, says Covid-19 has been contained in Australia so some students can come

    That’s brave but not very logical. Is it contained in China (say, outside Hubei)?

  72. Nob

    Armadillo
    #3331923, posted on February 22, 2020 at 7:46 pm
    But honestly, has anyone outlined why Russia would want Trump as President?

    The result wasn’t the point.
    Fucking with the election because they can is the point.
    Or at least making people think they are, same effect but cheaper.

    It’s a bit like the way they give money and support to fracktivists and greenies in Western countries while locking them up in Russia. And while steadily moving into Australia’s export gas markets. Soon we’ll be buying it from them.

  73. Bruce of Newcastle

    Russian hookers.

    Licenced?

    California Bill Would Require Occupational Licenses for P*rn Actors, Strippers, Cam Girls (20 Feb)

    On Tuesday, Assemblymembers Lorena Gonzalez (D–San Diego) and Christina Garcia (D–Bell Gardens) introduced Assembly Bill (A.B.) 2389. The bill would require adult entertainers and video performers, including webcam performers, to obtain a business license and complete a state-mandated training course before being allowed to ply their trade.

    Requirements for that training would be developed by the state’s Department of Industrial Relations (DIR), which would, in turn, be advised by a new 10-member, governor-appointed board composed of two adult film actors, three dancers, two medical doctors, a therapist, and a money manager.

    I wonder how much a p*rn actor’s licence will cost? And who gets to do the training?

  74. 8th Dan

    Concorde Liner Plus Motor Home.

    Very nice rig, available in Australia for well under $1M – including the cost of buying a mini car to go in the inbuilt garage.

    Video is on the Concorde website, which the CAT spaminator doesn’t seem to like.

  75. rickw

    This is why every university not producing engineers and scientists should be shut down.

    Useful idiot factories:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h72lk5tsaWI

    (And campus police sat on their fat arses and did nothing.)

  76. Cassie of Sydney

    “More broadly, Trump has questioned the need for NATO”

    More broadly……so BorisG…..one can’t question anything? I think that Trump wouldn’t question the need for NATO if NATO was willing to pay some of its own way and if NATO wasn’t always so inclined to shit all over the USA.

  77. The bouncers at the spot – massive, massive Turk, 6’6, 150 kegs?? Huge xunt.
    And a 5’8, shaved head Russian/Bulgarian?
    I told the dude – I’d rather fight Tarik.

  78. Bruce of Newcastle

    Russian h00kers.

    Licenced?

    California Bill Would Require Occupational Licenses for P0 rn Actors, Strippers, Cam Girls (20 Feb)

    On Tuesday, Assemblymembers Lorena Gonzalez (D–San Diego) and Christina Garcia (D–Bell Gardens) introduced Assembly Bill (A.B.) 2389. The bill would require adult entertainers and video performers, including webcam performers, to obtain a business license and complete a state-mandated training course before being allowed to ply their trade.

    Requirements for that training would be developed by the state’s Department of Industrial Relations (DIR), which would, in turn, be advised by a new 10-member, governor-appointed board composed of two adult film actors, three dancers, two medical doctors, a therapist, and a money manager.

    I wonder how much a p0 rn actor’s licence will cost? And who gets to do the training?

  79. Sergei reckons I got the weight about right
    😃

  80. OldOzzie

    California Lawmaker Who Killed Gig Jobs Wants State to ‘Train’ Freelance ‘Adult’ Workers

    Where to start?

    The same San Diego area assemblywoman who brought you the job-killing AB 5, which kills freelance jobs, is back to finish off the “adult” freelance industry.

    Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez (D-AFL-CIO), is now pushing a bill that would, as Reason reports,

    “…require adult entertainers and video performers, including webcam performers, to obtain a business license and complete a state-mandated training course before being allowed to ply their trade.”
    “Training”? This gives new meaning to the term government over-reach.

    The regulatory board that comes up with the “training” of these new “employees” would consist of:

    ” … two adult film actors, three dancers, two medical doctors, a therapist, and a money manager.”
    And a partridge in a pear tree. And a $200 per diem.

    There’s more to the story than this, and this is more than enough, yet we persevere.

    Gonzalez’s and her comrades’ endgame is to regulate, with an eye toward unionizing, these freelance at-home workers.

    But it turns out that the proletariat just got word of the plan and are fighting back:

  81. custard

    Observations from day three of the Melbourne caravan show.

    Numbers were up hugely today but it seems numbers have been down overall on the first two days.

    I still haven’t sold anything. That really pisses me off. Oh well, I’ve still got two more days.

    Funny observation of the day was a bloke about 30 who was bloody huuuuuuge (I’d say 160kg) walking past with a 600ml Coke in his back pocket.

  82. OldOzzie

    California Lawmaker Who Killed Gig Jobs Wants State to ‘Train’ Freelance ‘Adult’ Workers

    Where to start?

    The same San Diego area assemblywoman who brought you the job-killing AB 5, which kills freelance jobs, is back to finish off the “adult” freelance industry.

    Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez (D-AFL-CIO), is now pushing a bill that would, as Reason reports,

    “…require adult entertainers and video performers, including webcam performers, to obtain a business license and complete a state-mandated training course before being allowed to ply their trade.”
    “Training”? This gives new meaning to the term government over-reach.

    The regulatory board that comes up with the “training” of these new “employees” would consist of:

    ” … two adult film actors, three dancers, two medical doctors, a therapist, and a money manager.”

    And a partridge in a pear tree. And a $200 per diem.

    There’s more to the story than this, and this is more than enough, yet we persevere.

    Gonzalez’s and her comrades’ endgame is to regulate, with an eye toward unionizing, these freelance at-home workers.

    But it turns out that the proletariat just got word of the plan and are fighting back:

  83. miltonf

    NATO was set up to contain the Soviet Union so what is the point of it now other than allowing certain people to keep their nice jobs?

  84. Come for a rum, Custard, with the unruly Melbourne revolutionaries…
    Hehe, ya crazy MAGA bastard!

  85. DrBeauGan

    They added: ‘This is not just the biggest economic problem humanity has ever faced, but the biggest moral one. It is not the incomes of our children and grandchildren we are talking about here but their lives.’

    From JP Morgan.

    How do hysterics like this get high up in banks? Or is there money involved?

  86. Cassie of Sydney

    “Trump has been far friendlier to Putin the regional bully than any of the alternatives.”

    Anti-Semites say a similar thing about Trump being far friendlier to Netanyahu…..the “regional bully”….than any of the alternatives.

  87. custard

    Gunner
    I’m just necking a few beers before an early night.

    Would love to catch up some day.

  88. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Kuwait stops all flights to and from Iran
    Kuwait’s civil aviation authority has decided to stop all flights to and from Iran amid fears from coronavirus outbreak, the state news agency said, citing an official statement.

    Kuwaiti nationals arriving from Iran will be subjected to quarantine, it said, adding that residents or those with entry permission who were in Iran during the past two weeks will be barred.

    Moreover, any foreign travellers coming from Iran will also be denied entry.

  89. cohenite

    Trump has been far friendlier to Putin the regional bully than any of the alternatives.

    Bullshit. Trump has taken it up to Putin. Kicking NATO had nothing to do with Putin, but everything to do with the fact NATO are a pack of bludgers who do, especially Germany, suck up to Putin (pipelines, gas supplies etc).

  90. OldOzzie

    A whiny Meghan Markle retreats when the Queen bans her use of the royal name

    The Queen however, proved that, as David Mamet said, “old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance.” Or, in this case, “old age and principles will always beat self-centered greed.” Markle has backed down:

  91. Geriatric Mayfly

    Hehehehe
    JC is now rolling tasseled boat shoes and creased jeans as he gets out to set up the awning and unhook the Suzuki for a trip to the diner.

    Has happened without the Suzuki. We stayed with folks in Montana and lodged in their motor home in the front yard. The very same they took on irregular trips to NY which they parked in Manhattan wherever it took their fancy. Mrs. would prepare the evening meal and if anyone wandered in of the sidewalk, they would be invited to partake. Collected a swag of tickets, which they ignored and drove home.

  92. miltonf

    Hunt is one of the reasons i don’t vote LNP anymore.

  93. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I have trained google news to send me more relevant news, which it does dutifully every single day now. for exampe today’s news item:‘World’s Sexiest DJ’ Nata Lee Flaunts Flawless Figure In Smoking-Hot Lingerie

  94. Would love to catch up some day.
    Dude, I’m coming to the Caravan Show. Get me a ticket. You’ll know me when you see me 😎

  95. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Zelenskyy criticises people that attacked Ukrainians evacuated from Wuhan
    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy had harsh words for an angry mob who smashed windows on buses carrying dozens of Ukrainians evacuated from China over the novel coronavirus outbreak.

    “We keep saying that Ukraine is Europe. But yesterday it seemed like we were Europe in the Middle Ages,” Zelenskyy said in Kyiv.

    Fearing the passengers would bring the first deadly case of the novel coronavirus to Ukraine, hundreds of people – some armed with metal rods and rocks – turned out to protest their return on Thursday.

  96. Collected a swag of tickets, which they ignored and drove home

    Hehe, me&my girl did it in 2000.
    Kicked out of Newport Beach?
    Fk off, xunt 😅
    Strayans

  97. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Hairy Maclary’

    I hope you booed when Hercules Morse’s name came up, OO.

    Big as a horse.

    Bastard dog.

  98. Armadillo

    This does effect levels of calpain protease and Calpastatin protein which does have some tenderising effect on beef (however, correct treatment of the carcass, slow chilling cryovaccing, long ageing will do the same) and this may perhaps be extrapolated to dogs.

    Helen, linky please.

    My father was a butcher (as were four of his brothers), his father and his father before him. And their brothers (I.e uncles and great uncles). And their father before them.

    They all slaughtered cattle (as you do in that occupation).

    The last thing you want to do in that situation is “stress” cattle (or sheep) by having a dog yapping about their heels. The dogs were generally obediently told to “get away” (which they do), or for the more disobedient types (tied up).

    At the end of the day, they got a feed.

  99. rickw

    Kuwait’s civil aviation authority has decided to stop all flights to and from Iran amid fears from coronavirus outbreak, the state news agency said, citing an official statement.

    Given the number of Chicoms in Iran, fair chance that Tehran could get as bad as Wuhan.

    Also probably a good chance that the Chicoms have shared the love in much of Africa.

  100. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Sixteen cases in Northern Italy reported in one day
    An outbreak of coronavirus in northern Italy worsened, with officials announcing 14 confirmed cases in the wealthy region of Lombardy, while two cases were reported in the adjacent region of Veneto.

    Just hours after revealing that six people had come down with the virus in the first known cases of local transmission in Italy, officials said a further eight had tested positive for the disease, including five health workers.

  101. Mother Lode

    America is stronger than it has been for decades. His policy is to make NATO a real force again. If he did nothing regarding NATO then the defence of Europe would come down to America only – which is exactly the same situation if the US fell apart but Russia embarked on adventures. This way, calling out the slackers in Europe, might make NATO stronger than doing nothing.

    But Trump is more likely to call out Putin on anything he gets up to, while the likes of Obama would give him pallets of cash to let him look like he is doing something with no risk.

  102. DrBeauGan

    miltonf
    #3331969, posted on February 22, 2020 at 8:22 pm

    NATO was set up to contain the Soviet Union so what is the point of it now other than allowing certain people to keep their nice jobs?

    It’s no longer Soviet socialist, but it’s still the Russian empire. Probably less expansionist than formerly. Meanwhile, the European empire is also a threat strategically. Which is where the nice jobs come from. But it’s not long for this world.

  103. Mark A

    OldOzzie
    #3331953, posted on February 22, 2020 at 8:12 pm

    Bulls Twaddle – Just renewed Heavy Vehicle HC Drivers Licence and Full Motorcycle Licence for 5 years and passed compulsory yearly medical for 75 years.

    Which state?
    Dad could only renew for 3 years in VIC.

  104. custard

    Gunner
    Pay the money at the gate mate, I haven’t a clue what the admission price is but it shouldn’t be too exy.

    I’m at Avan.

  105. Knuckle Dragger

    Chick T20. Thailand are playing.

    And here I was thinking the Thai ladeeees only had one skill set.

  106. OldOzzie

    Oops, Nonno just got into trouble – 3 year old Grandson on lounge behind me, as I blog in the dark – sipping a glass of red, him watching Peppa Pig and supposed to be going to sleep, said Nonno “Can you take me to bed”

    Nonno obliges and walks him though to his section of the house, calling for Nonna and taking him to what I remembered as his bedroom – just about to open door to to his remembered bedroom and Nonna appears hissing from another bedroom saying “that is 8 year olds Bedroom now, 3 year old has move in with 6 year old”!

    Oops, memory needs improving!

  107. OldOzzie

    Mark A
    #3331992, posted on February 22, 2020 at 8:36 pm
    OldOzzie
    #3331953, posted on February 22, 2020 at 8:12 pm

    Bulls Twaddle – Just renewed Heavy Vehicle HC Drivers Licence and Full Motorcycle Licence for 5 years and passed compulsory yearly medical for 75 years.

    Which state?
    Dad could only renew for 3 years in VIC.

    NSW

  108. vlad

    HM The Queen has unlimited money – all the money in the UK has her face on it for a start – has been Queen for 68 years, worked with Winston Churchill and wore her country’s uniform in World War 2.

    Meghan Markle was in a television show.

    I think I knew how that contest was going to end.

  109. OldOzzie

    Mark A
    #3331992, posted on February 22, 2020 at 8:36 pm
    OldOzzie
    #3331953, posted on February 22, 2020 at 8:12 pm

    Bulls Twaddle – Just renewed Heavy Vehicle HC Drivers Licence and Full Motorcycle Licence for 5 years and passed compulsory yearly medical for 75 years.

    Which state?
    Dad could only renew for 3 years in VIC.

    NSW

    Might I add Local Service NSW is excellent – whilst waiting tø lodge Medical Certificate for Licence and collect Bike Rack ~Rego Plate – watched them deal with 91 year old lady looking to renew licence and arrange Licence test, and 82 year old renew licemc – , the Service NSW Staff were caring, efficient and excellent.

    Good to see

  110. vlad

    Prince Philip gave up his drivers licence at age 97.

    I’ll possibly do likewise at 97, but definitely not before.

  111. Tel

    Trump has been far friendlier to Putin the regional bully than any of the alternatives.

    Sorry, how much Uranium did Trump sell to Russia? I haven’t been keeping track.

    Did Obama supply any anti-tank missiles to the Ukrainians? Oh wait, no that was Trump who supplied those. I mean, not as if there is any chance in the world that Putin is ever going to roll tanks into the Ukraine but hey if he was ever thinking about it … now he can’t!

  112. Mother Lode

    exactly the same situation if the US let NATO fell apart

    Impulsive posting can lead to some confusing sentences. Apologies to all.

  113. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I think I knew how that contest was going to end.

    Pay that one, vlad.

  114. Armadillo

    and passed compulsory yearly medical for 75 years.

    Are you one of the dudes towing a caravan doing 10km per hour through the “windy bits”?

    You know, the ones who won’t pull over and let the 10 cars behind you through. One of them?

  115. OldOzzie

    I Lived In Soviet Russia When Bernie Sanders Visited, And He’s A Communist Dupe

    Bernie Sanders, a man who could be led astray so easily by KGB minders and a Potemkin tour of the USSR, should never be president of the United States.

    Democratic presidential front-runner Bernie Sanders likes to market himself as a wise old man who just happens to have clown hair but is right about everything, such as the War in Iraq. Yet his opposition to the Iraq War was dictated not by cool-headed geopolitical calculations, but the lifelong habit of romancing American enemies — as is typical for communism-lovers.

    The recently surfaced press conference Sanders gave following his return from his honeymoon in Yaroslavl, USSR, is a great example of leftist naïveté about totalitarian regimes. For Bernie to fawn over Soviet culture the way he did indicates a staggering degree of incuriosity. I was only 15 and growing up in Kharkiv, now Ukraine, when the couple visited the USSR, and I’m not impressed when I watch Sanders sing Moscow’s praises

  116. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘EU gripped by budget chaos after Brexit: Austria, Denmark, the Netherlands and Sweden REFUSE to pay for one trillion euro plan to help poor regions, fight climate change and plug budget black hole left by Britain’s departure’

    I will echo Nick’s earlier sentiment. Suck shit.

    This is what happens when you get two brand new, still-with-the-wrapping-on countries (Belgium 1830, Germany 1871) organising a communal ‘experiment’ which benefited nobody but themselves – witness the Krauts screaming about having to help the Gliks, instead of the intended other way round – and which essentially gave them:
    – Cash;
    – Population (and therefore tax) bases;
    – Mineral resources;
    – Regulatory control; AND, if the Poms hadn’t left;
    – Their own army, navy and air force to enforce their policies on recalcitrant countries.

    Lebensraum, anyone?

    The Vichy French weren’t appropriately dealt with last time. Every one of the collaborators, once this shitfight is trampled to death, should be shot.

  117. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    shit

    South Korea has reported another huge jump in cases of coronavirus as the country fights to contain the spread of the deadly disease.

    The number of infections has increased by 229 to 433, officials said on Saturday, with most of the cases linked to the city of Daegu and surrounding region two hours south of Seoul.

    A 61-year-old woman in Daegu is believed to be at the heart of the rapid spread and is thought to have passed the infection to dozens, and possibly even hundreds, of fellow worshippers at the controversial Shincheonji Church of Jesus.

  118. Boambee John

    miltonf

    NATO was set up to contain the Soviet Union so what is the point of it now other than allowing certain people to keep their nice jobs?

    NATO was set up to keep the Americans in, the Soviets out, and the Germans down!

  119. Armadillo

    Need I repeat this? Conivirus is a Chinese biological experiment that escaped.

    They fucked up. Nothing to see here.

  120. OldOzzie

    Armadillo
    #3332005, posted on February 22, 2020 at 8:51 pm
    and passed compulsory yearly medical for 75 years.

    Are you one of the dudes towing a caravan doing 10km per hour through the “windy bits”?

    You know, the ones who won’t pull over and let the 10 cars behind you through. One of them?

    Armadillo</strong

    Like Jeremy Clarkson on Caravans – hate the bloody things – have road tested behind new 4WD Vehicles a number of New Camper Trailers for a 4WD Jouno mate, and going over Desert Roads and Dunes, besides slip sliding and fishtailing on muddy roads, add the setup time on arrival and repack on departure, got to dislike – hence the liking for V8 Diesel Troopy High Top Camper – – open the back doors, get the Bundy and Pepsi Max out of fridge and place on drop down table on rear door and sitting comfortably in camp chairs (all of 4 mins), watching others in group struggle with their Camper Trailers.

  121. Arky

    Need I repeat this? Conivirus is a Chinese biological experiment that escaped.

    ..
    You’re a Chinese biological experiment that escaped.

  122. Armadillo

    All of 4 minutes

    Old people take a bit longer with age. I get it.

  123. mh

    Armadillo
    #3332017, posted on February 22, 2020 at 9:10 pm
    Need I repeat this? Conivirus is a Chinese biological experiment that escaped.

    Conivirus? What’s that?

  124. Knuckle Dragger

    They’re gonna luuuurve this pseudo-cyclone at Brunette Downs.

  125. Armadillo

    Conivirus? What’s that?

    Lazy mans speak. Alternatively, it might be a reference to how the Chinese have conned WHO (and the rest of the world) into believing that this virus just appeared out of nowhere.

  126. OldOzzie

    Armadillo
    #3332022, posted on February 22, 2020 at 9:18 pm
    All of 4 minutes

    Old people take a bit longer with age. I get it.

    Hey, have to climb into front of Troopy, lean over front seat, lift lid of Engel, locate Cold Papsi Max, then look for Bundy in drawers under rear sofa climbing in from Rear Doors, – look for stored camp chairs, then lower rear table on rear door, open chairs, pour out (having found glasses) Bundy and Pepsi Max, sit down and enjoy, whilst watching others struggle with Camper Trailers

    So 4 mins pretty good

  127. Nick

    Why would the Government be letting Chinese High School students in? It’s not as if they can’t be educated in China. Softening us up no doubt to allow Uni students in. I’ll be shitty if people get sick.

  128. BorisG

    More broadly……so BorisG…..one can’t question anything? I think that Trump wouldn’t question the need for NATO if NATO was willing to pay some of its own way and if NATO wasn’t always so inclined to shit all over the USA.

    I agree. My point was not criticism of Trump but simply an explanation why he is preferred by the Kremlin.

    Above all, Trumps base is more isolationist than his main rivals.

  129. BorisG

    NATO was set up to contain the Soviet Union so what is the point of it now other than allowing certain people to keep their nice jobs?

    So after Soviet nukes were renamed Russian they no loner pose a threat ?

  130. Knuckle Dragger

    Serious question.

    Why, given the apparent parlous state of affairs surrounding the Bat Virus, haven’t Messrs Rudd and Keating been contacted for comment?

    The ratfucker and the clock aficionado have had plenty to say on lots of stuff that doesn’t concern them. Would stand to reason, as two of the biggest public Sinophiles of our time that one or both may offer a considered, experience-based opinion on the Bat People and why we should bring the live baby mice-chewers into the country by the container load, virus or no virus.

  131. Mark A

    There was some talk about religion earlier, here is one version of how it evolved.

  132. rickw:

    Also probably a good chance that the Chicoms have shared the love in much of Africa.

    It would fit their geopolitical aims.

  133. Armadillo

    So 4 mins pretty good

    You obviously don’t have a Sheliah (or you have a lazy one).

    This could all be accomplished in a much shorter timeframe.

  134. miltonf

    French nukes are likely to be a threat if that country continues on its slide to anarchy.

  135. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘You obviously don’t have a Sheliah (or you have a lazy one).’

    Excellent point.

    If she’s not mentally rehearsing the setup process half an hour out, and hasn’t prepositioned all her shit so it’s ready to go, and you have to wait for four minutes (time it out) before you get to sit down in the shade with a beverage, there’s something wrong.

    At the very least she should be unbuckled and have her door open before you’ve come to a complete stop.

  136. Armadillo:

    Need I repeat this? Conivirus is a Chinese biological experiment that escaped.

    Correct – despite the warnings they were given by the US, and given repeatedly.
    Then the cover up through the WHO.
    We need to get out of the UN and all its Agencies – they have been hopelessly compromised by China.

  137. vlad

    The article reprinted above re the “aliens” case in the HCA is devastating – particularly vis-a-vis Edelman J.

    I confidently predict Edelman J will never be Edelman CJ.

  138. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    substance beats word count every time

    I agree, Bespike. There is always a lot of substance in my word count. You do have to be able to cope with subordinate clauses though.

    I am not writing advertising copy any more. 🙂

  139. vlad

    WHO has completely discredited itself out of the coronavirus.

    Travel bans within China: oh, jolly good, says WHO, you’re doing the right thing.

    Travel bans against China: oh, no, how can you even think of doing that, says WHO.

    The situation generally: sounds like a pandemic, says WHO, but don’t panic [ie upset our masters].

    No, of course not. As though you’d panic at the thought of a pandemic.

  140. JC

    vlad
    #3331933, posted on February 22, 2020 at 7:55 pm

    JC last night asked who would buy some of these top-of-the-line RVs.

    Vlad, I can’t recall if I asked that question, but if I did it was rhetorical as I said buyers would hail from the Mid West and Canada.

    Tailgunner
    #3331917, posted on February 22, 2020 at 7:40 pm

    Has JC been in with the Manhattan caravan park updates?

    Dude, how did it ever get to this?As I’ve said repeatedly, I was simply curious how much a top of the line cost. The likelihood of me ever buying one would be 0%. A tidal wave hitting Ayers Rock would have a better chance.

  141. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Bespoke not Bespike. That was a genuine typo on phone, so apologies . Not intended as snark. None of it was actually. I am just defending the concept of exposition.

  142. Ellie has surfaced on the “Internet Hate Sites.”
    I recognise the cleavage.

  143. Mother Lode

    My point was not criticism of Trump but simply an explanation why he is preferred by the Kremlin.

    Above all, Trumps base is more isolationist than his main rivals.

    Trumps supporters are not isolationists. They believe in American exceptionalism. They want out of the ME because it is as purposeless as Boris G’s penis. They are more than ready for a fight.

    Trump’s rivals are happy for an excuse to disengage and bug out. Their focus is purely America, which is where they have direct power.

    A revulsion at the humiliating vision of the Jug Eared one bowing to the Arabs and apologising for being America, paying the Iranians not to make him look bad on TV, and ceding whole American industries to China while he decreed wheel-washes on ranches were matters for the US Government should not be confused with isolationism.

    And you, Boris G, should not recoil for personal reasons, but heartily shove your face into a garbage disposal unit post haste. Timidity be damned! A full facial flensing won’t make you smarter – but the salt-like sting of facts might stop you from being so stupid.

    I would be happy to press you to the blades. Who is with me?

  144. Armadillo

    At the very least she should be unbuckled and have her door open before you’ve come to a complete stop.

    She should be running beside the car, carrying the fold up chairs.

  145. Knuckle Dragger

    Identical to climate change, vlad.

    Follow the money.

  146. JC

    vlad
    #3332049, posted on February 22, 2020 at 10:02 pm

    WHO has completely discredited itself out of the coronavirus.

    I can’t recall the name of the movie, but I kept watching it because it was just so bad and funny. The storyline was about a pandemic that was killing everyone and The WHO was onto it with men in military garb running about, ordering people around. They had “WHO” emblazoned on their uniforms.

  147. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘She should be running beside the car, carrying the fold up chairs.’

    This is simple.

    If you can’t afford an au pair (or ideally two), you can’t afford a caravan.

  148. BrettW

    From The Daily Mail. Seems multiple Twits posting same thing :

    Twitter has started suspending and restricting dozens of accounts posting content promoting U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg. On Friday, the social media company said it took action against about 70 accounts. That included permanently shutting them down, and then challenging other to verify ownership. Twitter said the accounts violated its platform manipulation and spam policy, which prohibits coordination among accounts to amplify or disrupt conversation by using multiple accounts. Mike Bloomberg’s presidential campaign has hired hundreds of social media influencers who are paid $2,500 a month to push his message on their platforms.

  149. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘The WHO was onto it with men in military garb running about, ordering people around.’

    This would be the aspirational EU Army.

  150. Knuckle Dragger

    Apologies.

    The EU Compulsory Regulation and Compliance Force.

  151. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    By Ed Payne | February 21, 2020 at 6:48 AM HST – Updated February 21 at 10:45 AM
    ATLANTA (Gray News) – America’s flu season is still going strong but has eased a bit, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday.

    The CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 29 million flu illnesses, 280,000 hospitalizations and 16,000 deaths from flu.

    This flu season has been especially bad so far for children and young adults. Their rates remain higher than in recent years.

  152. JC

    Went out for dinner this evening because it’s one of the 3 evenings a year when the weather is nice in melbourne. The restaurant was in Carlton and after dinner we walked around and moseyed around Readings Bookstore.

    There was a book I saw in the recently published stand Cronkite should add to his his list of stupid titles. This one was

    How To Have Feminist Sex.

  153. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Just passing by and I see this blancmange from an incoherent Tailgunner at 7:32 pm:

    “Uni tutor?
    Lol, I fkn called the AltRight revolution and told them “You da man,now,bro! Viva la revolution”
    They still think dey the ones fighting the Oppressors. Lachlan Murdoch is more SS than his dad, they reckon?
    Lol.
    They’re actually sorta Logica leftists though…
    Red pills work on them. A little.
    #JohntheBaptistLyfr”

    There surely are better things on which a man can waste his time.

  154. Armadillo

    Who is with me?

    Seems rather lenient.

  155. JC

    If this virus hits Africa – especially a place like Nigeria a decent swag of the world’s population is going down. Western enviro-mentalists would be ecstatic on the QT if a good percentage of Africans died. They would be doing cartwheels.

  156. EvilElvis

    Custard, sending love and prayers from back home. That shit actually won’t work so when they unleash the masses tomorrow morning jump on the biggest RV, rip your shirt open, wildly eyeball the crowd while pointing at your chest and scream “I AM FROM WA AND I’M MAKING A SALE! DON’T ANY OF YOU EASTERN STATES FUCKERS MESS WITH ME! NOW, who’s up?”. Godspeed.

  157. Knuckle Dragger

    Yes, Elvis.

    And if you’re going to rip your shirt open, take the time for a bit of planning and have someone write FUCK THE COPS on your chest in permanent marker.

    You’ll be a shoo-in.

  158. JC

    How To Have Feminist Sex.

    Write up about the book at Amazon.

    We talk about feminism in the workplace and we talk about dating after #MeToo, but women’s own patriarchal conditioning can be the hardest enemy to defeat. When it comes to our sex lives, few of us are free of niggling fears and body image insecurities. Rather than enjoying and exploring our bodies uninhibited, we worry about our bikini lines, bulging tummies, and whether we’re doing it ‘right’.

    Flo broaches everything from faking it to consent, stress to kink, and how losing your virginity isn’t so different to eating your first chocolate croissant. Her mission is to get more people talking openly about what they do and don’t want from every romantic encounter.

  159. vlad

    Yes, sorry, JC, it was Mark A who queried who would buy one.

    I’d buy one of the upper-mid-range ones if I had 20 million usd. Just for fun.

  160. EvilElvis

    And if you’re going to rip your shirt open, take the time for a bit of planning and have someone write FUCK THE COPS on your chest in permanent marker.

    I think that might be gunners area. Replace ‘RV’ with ‘bar table’ and we’re on.

    Mind you he’s probably got a dart burn scar saying the same thing.

  161. EvilElvis

    Shit, KD. We should be into custard to sneak a van out for a biggest show in boxing door prize. Has Arky put the towbar on the Model A yet?

  162. OldOzzie

    Roger Stone’s legal team files request for Judge Jackson’s removal from case

    The legal team of Roger Stone – the former adviser to President Trump who received a 40-month prison sentence this week – filed court documents Friday to have the judge removed from his case.

    Stone’s defense team argues that Judge Amy Berman Jackson’s claim during his Thursday sentencing that the jury in the case had “served with integrity,” should disqualify Jackson from presiding as Stone pursues his bid to receive a new trial.

    WHO IS JUDGE AMY BERMAN JACKSON?

    They argue that Jackson’s description of the jury as having served with “integrity” was a display of bias on behalf of the judge in a case that has not yet concluded, despite the sentencing, because of the bid for a new trial.

    Making the case that the jury’s integrity is in question, the defense lawyers argue that “newly discovered information” suggests “juror misconduct” occurred during the trial, thus depriving Stone of having his case heard before an impartial jury.

    The defense lawyers claim the unnamed juror “misled the Court regarding her ability to be unbiased and fair and the juror attempted to cover up evidence that would directly contradict her false claims of impartiality.”

    If the claims of “juror misconduct” are true, then Jackson’s description of the jury as having integrity “indicates an inability to reserve judgment on an issue which has yet to be heard,” thus their call for Jackson’s recus

  163. mh

    Liberty Quote
    “Uni tutor?
    Lol, I fkn called the AltRight revolution and told them “You da man,now,bro! Viva la revolution”
    They still think dey the ones fighting the Oppressors. Lachlan Murdoch is more SS than his dad, they reckon?
    Lol.
    They’re actually sorta Logica leftists though…
    Red pills work on them. A little.
    #JohntheBaptistLyfr”

    Tailgunner

  164. EvilElvis

    Love that song, egg. Bless.

  165. Mark A

    Some pics. to break up the serious talk going on here. 4 minutes wait for a drink? how primitive.

  166. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Steve Trickler, that was a very fine video you put up a while back of Vietnam war clips themed musically by ‘Riders in the Storm’. Suited my mood of the day, sad for those Corona virus might infect if it remains virulent. Let’s hope it does not.

    Time for bed.

  167. BorisG

    Lode, the idiot, I don’t condone Obama’s foreign policy in the slightest. But Trump has clearly been very friendly and useful for Putin on many fronts. When Trump won in 2016 against all expectations, Putin’s controlled Russian media were ecstatic. Not all of their expectation have been fulfilled (in particular Trump has done nothing to ease let alone lift sanctions), he is obviously still much preferred to Biden or Bloomberg. Not so sure about Sanders as his unlikely victory would cause such an upheaval in America, and Russians would just love it.

  168. Being as I speak only English, I have completely no idea of what this means:

    “Uni tutor?
    Lol, I fkn called the AltRight revolution and told them “You da man,now,bro! Viva la revolution”
    They still think dey the ones fighting the Oppressors. Lachlan Murdoch is more SS than his dad, they reckon?
    Lol.
    They’re actually sorta Logica leftists though…
    Red pills work on them. A little.
    #JohntheBaptistLyfr”

  169. JC

    Boris

    Russia is basically a nuisance more than anything else. It has an economy smaller than France.. thanks to Putin. Trump doesn’t give a shit about them except in terms of annoyance value.

  170. BorisG

    From this perspectvie, supporting Sanders is win-win for Russia. If sanders wins the nomination, Trump is almost assured of victory in November. If against all odds, Sanders wins in November, it is even better.

    Of course, this election is for Trump to lose anyway, but Russians don’t take anything for granted. They get good salaries, so they will never say the job is easy.

  171. BorisG

    Russia is basically a nuisance more than anything else. It has an economy smaller than France.. thanks to Putin. Trump doesn’t give a shit about them except in terms of annoyance value.

    But they have nukes all right and ambitions all right. Ignore them at your peril.

  172. Armadillo

    Twitter has started suspending and restricting dozens of accounts posting content promoting U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg.

    Interesting, Brett.

    My personal preference for this stuff is honesty in advertising. In other words, declare if you are being paid to “spruick a product” (in this case a politician) to your audience.

    It’s a murky area that is going to affect bloggers.

    I doubt that it will effect “Cats”, but it would be nice to know if “paid bloggers” are who they say they are.

    For example, some people proudly display the “rainbow” on their FB gravitar. Their choice. No worries. All good. Every one here displays their own political bias.

    The issue I see is PAID bloggers (from either side of politics) manipulating opinion.

    That needs to be declared. It’s easily done via Gravitar or similar means. I’m not a fan of Internet censorship, but if bloggers are being PAID to “push a line” it “crosses a line”.

  173. mh

    Tailgunner’s keyboarding skills on his phone are superb when you consider the drink and drugs in his system.

  174. JC

    But they have nukes all right and ambitions all right. Ignore them at your peril.

    They have nukes and that’s about it. You can have as much ambition as you want, but if you don’t have a decent sized economy then you’re ambitions are valued at zero. They have no soft power and the only thing they do is threaten their weaker neighbors.

  175. cohenite

    How To Have Feminist Sex.

    Head prefect I think you would be best suited to How to Have Any Sex.

    And by popular request more interesting book titles, the first one being relevant to head prefect:

    Working with bitches
    How to Sharpen pencils
    Knitting with dog hair

    And that perennial favourite,
    How to read heads.

  176. BorisG

    The perception in Moscow is that Europe (gay-Ropa as they call it) is morally weak while Trump has no appetite to defend America’s allies. This can fuel Russian adventurism on its periphery.

  177. Armadillo

    Arky obviously isn’t being paid by the Model A people.

    Worst salesperson ever.

  178. JC

    1 United States 22.20 Tn 18.62 Tn $67,063 331,002,651
    2 China 15.47 Tn 11.22 Tn $10,747 1,439,323,776
    3 Japan 5.50 Tn 4.94 Tn $43,450 126,476,461
    4 Germany 4.16 Tn 3.48 Tn $49,617 83,783,942
    5 India 3.26 Tn 2.26 Tn $2,361 1,380,004,385
    6 United Kingdom 2.93 Tn 2.65 Tn $43,118 67,886,011
    7 France 2.88 Tn 2.47 Tn $44,062 65,273,511
    8 Italy 2.09 Tn 1.86 Tn $34,575 60,461,826
    9 Brazil 2.06 Tn 1.80 Tn $9,703 212,559,417
    10 Canada 1.83 Tn 1.53 Tn $48,553 37,742,154
    11 South Korea 1.74 Tn 1.41 Tn $34,024 51,269,185
    12 Russia 1.67 Tn 1.25 Tn $11,426 145,934,462
    13 Spain 1.50 Tn 1.24 Tn $32,020 46,754,778
    14 Australia 1.48 Tn 1.30 Tn $58,097 25,499,884

    Russia is actually much smaller than France. They are just marginally bigger than Australia.

  179. MatrixTransform

    I love how much Boris’ English language skills have improved lately.

    fast learner

  180. BorisG

    JC, if you were right, why the West treated USSR seriously? Its economy was also relatively small…

  181. vlad

    Greg Hunt is a moron.

    Good night. See you tomorrow.

  182. BorisG

    Matrix, have a look at my cat posts from early 2000s. I don’t thunk my English was much worse. In fact modern tools with stupid autocorrect make it a little harder to type. Especially on the phone.

  183. Armadillo

    I love how much Boris’ English language skills have improved lately.

    He’s been attending a Gevernment school.

  184. cohenite

    You idiot head prefect, it’s not the size of the country that counts….

  185. Steve trickler

    Sleep well, Lizzie. Cheers.



  186. JC

    Boris

    Up to the fall of the Berlin Wall, the CIA’ s measure of the Soviet economy was about 4 to 5 times more than it really was.

    The threat the pose to the world is through their nuke stockpiles, otherwise they aren’t a threat at all. The best thing for them to do is to ditch Putin and his accolades/arselickers and get a government that is tied to economic reform while doing all they can to get up closer with the West. Eventually the Chinese will have them for breakfast.

  187. BorisG

    Cohen the idiot, can you elaborate ?

  188. JC

    Shut up Cronkite. The Russian economy is a fucking basket case. Their only exports are oil& gas and decent looking hookers around the world.

  189. cohenite

    Yes I can boris; you’re a dickhead.

  190. MatrixTransform

    have a look at my cat posts from early 2000s.

    are you over the cough?

    how’s yr man in Wuhan ?

  191. cohenite

    Their only exports are oil& gas and decent looking hookers around the world.

    I defer to your superior knowledge on these items of produce head prefect.

  192. candy

    Above all, Trumps base is more isolationist than his main rivals.

    I don’t think isolationist polices are that significant in Trump’s base, Boris.

    They simply like him and believe in him on a level it might be difficult to describe. And not racist or homophobic either. Values more conservative and enduring.

  193. MatrixTransform

    yr man in Wuhan … what brand of bike does he ride?

  194. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Any military type Cats help out?

    The Oz is running with another story about the submarines, purchased from the French. The issue of the French refusing to supply spares for Miracle – I beg your pardon, Mirage fighters, purchased from the French- as a protest against Australian involvement in Vietnam, has been aired.

    From memory, this issue was discussed on this blog some time ago. The French actually guaranteed that there were no conditions, ever, under which Australia would ever lack for spares for the aircraft, themselves, but there were problems with the supply of missiles and ammunition? Anyone help out?

  195. BorisG

    Up to the fall of the Berlin Wall, the CIA’ s measure of the Soviet economy was about 4 to 5 times more than it really was.

    Maybe but the idea that the entire Cold War strategy was based on this wrong assessment sounds suspicious.

    The threat the pose to the world is through their nuke stockpiles, otherwise they aren’t a threat at all.

    More or less. They have won the war in Syria all right, prop up the Iranians, meddle in Libya, support Venezuela etc. it is all to create nuisance as you say. But they can be a good disrupters. Even the Saudis are talking to them now.

  196. BorisG

    The best thing for them to do is to ditch Putin and his accolades/arselickers and get a government that is tied to economic reform while doing all they can to get up closer with the West. Eventually the Chinese will have them for breakfast.

    Sure but Easier said than done.

  197. BorisG

    are you over the cough?

    Not yet, it takes a long time. But getting a little better by the day. This thing is bloody annoying. Thanks for askin.

    how’s yr man in Wuhan ?

    Coping. They have more restrictions now but he still goes out on a bike every now and then. Not every day though. I haven’t figured out how the restrictions work exactly.

  198. JC

    Boris

    To be fair to Russia – not to Putin- I think the West really did screw them around. The west promised the Russians they would leave the satellites nations around them free of Western influence and wouldn’t accept them under the NATO umbrella. That promise last all of a decade at the most so Russians have legitimate grievances. But ultimately, their natural partners are the west.

    I think Putin is just a piece of shit and hopefully one day soon the Russians will be rid of him.

  199. JC

    It’s laughable when people say, Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffet and or Bloombox are the richest people on earth. Putin is, with an estimated net worth of US$250 billion.

    It as very funny watching Putin’s regime scream bloody murder when the Europeans allowed the Cypriot banks to fail and not honor their debts. Most of that “Russian money” belonged to Putin. The Euros knew this, which was the reason they let those banks go to the wall.

  200. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    the left are open about destroying civilisation

    The “De-Growth” Movement
    Economic growth has lifted billions of people across the globe out of poverty, giving countless millions a path to prosperity. The impact is truly immeasurable in the innovation, productivity, and human well-being it produces.

    But along comes an article in The New Yorker explaining that some on the Left want to stop all that. They are “giving birth to the ‘de-growth’ movement, which calls on advanced countries to embrace zero or even negative G.D.P. growth.”

    Economic growth, they claim, fuels climate change and leads to income inequality. Prosperous countries—the United States in particular—need to intentionally put on the brakes.

    Ignore the ability of technology and free-markets to produce cleaner and less resource-intensive growth and that having a job and an income are foundations of human growth and dignity.

    Among leaders of the movement are two winners of the 2019 Nobel Prize in Economics, Abhijit Banerjee and Esther Duflo, but others agree that “a stagnant economy is a sign of success,” John Cassidy writes in his New Yorker article.

  201. JC

    Zipperhead. There’s nothing new about that. The Kenyan was the first US president who was certainly not pro growth and would have applauded lower living standards if it meant more “equalidy”. The left has been anti-growth for the past 20 years. Tell us something we don’t know.

  202. MatrixTransform

    Do us a favour … ask yr guy in Wuhan if it’s like 6, 12, or 18 speed

  203. JC

    World ranking by manufacturing output both in US dollar terms, percentage of the economy and global ranking

    China $2,010 27% 20%
    United States 1,867 12 18
    Japan 1,063 19 10
    Germany 700 23 7
    South Korea 372 29 4
    India 298 16 3
    France 274 11 3
    Italy 264 16 3
    United Kingdom 244 10 2
    Taiwan 185 31 2
    Mexico 175 19 2
    Spain 153 14 2
    Canada 148 11 1
    Brazil 146 11 1
    Russian Federation 139 11 1
    Turkey 125 18 1
    Indonesia 115 22 1
    Poland 100 20 1
    Switzerland 93 18 1
    Netherlands 88 12 1

    For people to argue ( Including Trump) US manufacturing is in trouble don’t seem to realize that the % is 18% of the US economy. It’s just that the US service economy is vast.

    On that score one could argue that the Chinese economy has a very undeveloped service economy.

  204. Top Ender

    Just watched Brexit: The Uncivil War on Foxtel.

    It’s HBO’s dramatisation of the inner workings of the Leave campaign. Benedict Cumberbatch stars as Dominic Cummings, the genius behind it.

    But, but, but…

    Cumberbatch identifies as a feminist.

    In 2016, Cumberbatch…led more than 280 figures from the arts world who backed a vote for the United Kingdom to stay in the European Union in regards to the June 2016 referendum on that issue.

    Hypocrisy, thy name is actors and all their ilk.

  205. BorisG

    Do us a favour … ask yr guy in Wuhan if it’s like 6, 12, or 18 speed

    Why would I ask that? Today he went on a rental bike (they have them all over the city). Sent me a nice photo from eerie empty streets of central Wuhan. For those who have not been to Wuhan, it was a base for foreign missions for some time during the Japanese occupation, and hence has a lot of European architecture.

  206. MatrixTransform

    Today he went on a rental bike

    yeah, but how many gears?

    what’s so fucking hard about it?

    your’e in constant communication right?

  207. BorisG

    To be fair to Russia – not to Putin- I think the West really did screw them around. The west promised the Russians they would leave the satellites nations around them free of Western influence and wouldn’t accept them under the NATO umbrella. That promise last all of a decade at the most so Russians have legitimate grievances.

    This is indeed a complex issue, JC. They did promise that. But Russian aggressive posturing combined with its long history made eastern Europeans extremely wary of its intentions. They thus craved both EU and NATO membership. Should they have said ‘no’? The temptation for the west to limit Russian threats for decades to come was just too great.

  208. BorisG

    matrix I don’t ask questions that don’t make sense to me.

  209. MatrixTransform

    yr so full of shit
    but you reckon yr so stealth.
    lolololol

  210. Steve trickler

    Ladies of the Cat! Check this out. 😍



  211. Armadillo

    Birdy did well so far. Very disciplined.

  212. Armadillo

    I hope that everyone realises that Bloomberg and Soros can buy the entire world?

    It might just be dawning on them that they can’t.

  213. BorisG

    Matrix I can ask if you explain why this matters.

  214. BorisG

    Birdy did well so far. Very disciplined.

    Who is Birdy? matrix ?

  215. Arky

    Question:
    1. Has China central bank bought a shitload of gold the last few years?
    2. What happens to the price of gold if China stops manufacturing for a couple of months or so?
    3. Does 2. compensate for 1, or are the two things unrelated?

  216. Arky

    On that score one could argue that the Chinese economy has a very undeveloped service economy.

    ..
    The service economy is a drag on the real economy. Clean your own house. Answer my question above. Stop being a globalist stooge.

  217. NASA is an Aeronautics and Space Administration for which the US taxpayers are taxed more than $200 billion a year but it appears that this agency is now primarily a climate science organization – not just in data gathering from space but also the science of how CO2 from fossil fuel emissions ends up in the atmosphere and causes warming and the catastrophic consequences of the warming trend that await us if we fail to stop using fossil fuels.
    Details:
    https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/02/20/nasa-climate/

  218. Zyconoclast

    Any Trump tweets on this?

    Indiana couple in a pickup truck ‘ran 14-year-old twin boys riding their bikes off the road because they were waving Trump flags’

  219. Zatara

    South Korea coronavirus infections surge past 430

    119 in Japan, 85 in Singapore, 22 in Malaysia, 16 in Vietnam, and 77918 cases reported worldwide.

    But not a one so far in N Korea according to the Norks.

    Amazing what the iron will of the Great Leader can accomplish.

  220. BorisG

    But not a one so far in N Korea according to the Norks.
    Amazing what the iron will of the Great Leader can accomplish.

    wait for Indonesia.

  221. BorisG:

    The perception in Moscow is that Europe (gay-Ropa as they call it) is morally weak while Trump has no appetite to defend America’s allies. This can fuel Russian adventurism on its periphery.

    Russia has always flowed outward when it gets the opportunity. Ever since the Czars, they have advanced toward warm water ports.
    Russia overextends itself, though. It tries to push potential enemies further from its borders, even when it doesn’t have the strength to keep them away. If Russia decides one day to develop what it has without the treasure and lives it loses in adventurism then it will probably find peace.
    It has Siberia and the Far East to settle, but because she wants to extend to the Middle East, China is moving into her last treasure chest.
    Unfortunately it sees the nations around it as part of the armour that protects the homeland.
    You do not deploy friendly forces on others territory.

  222. JC/BorisG

    The west promised the Russians they would leave the satellites nations around them free of Western influence and wouldn’t accept them under the NATO umbrella. That promise last all of a decade at the most so Russians have legitimate grievances.

    That’s correct, but the Russians obeyed their fears of being attacked and started pushing the other legitimate nations around them.
    Russian security can not be at the expense of the Ukraine/White Russian/Baltic states.
    That is unreasonable and people will react to it.
    Meanwhile the Chinese are moving north.

  223. Zippy:
    The degrowth Movement.
    Lunacy – these people have influence.
    They will have their paradise on earth, but it will cost about 6 Billion lives and squalor for the rest except for the lucky couple of million artisans and intellectuals – and guess who they will be?

  224. BrettW

    Been doing a bit of YouTube viewing.

    Erik Price, founder of Blackwater, at Oxford Union in 2917 was quite interesting with naturally a lot of talk about military contractors. Put it into context with references to early settlers in US, East of India company and the Flying Tigers in China. Interesting comment about F35’s being made in 45 states due to political reasons when talking about waste.

    Although 7 years ago Piers Morgan interview with Alex Jones on gun control was interesting to say the least. That was when there was a petition to have Morgan deported from US for his views on gun control. Piers has described it as his best interview and pointed out Jones had over 50 firearms. Never seen Jones before but Piers did well to keep calm.

  225. Zatara

    The west promised the Russians they would leave the satellites nations around them free of Western influence and wouldn’t accept them under the NATO umbrella.

    No, they didn’t.

    It is abundantly evident that Russian President Vladimir Putin is no fan of NATO. Indeed, he displays a pronounced—almost obsessive—antipathy toward the Alliance. He claims that NATO took advantage of Russian weakness after the collapse of the Soviet Union to enlarge to its east, in violation of promises allegedly made to Moscow by Western leaders. But no such promises were made—a point now confirmed by someone who was definitely in a position to know: Mikhail Gorbachev, then president of the Soviet Union.

    The west had no right to make promises as to what direction the USSR’s hostage States would lean when they were freed and they didn’t do so. As Gorbachev said, there was an agreement regarding East Germany after unification and it was honoured.

  226. BorisG

    The west had no right to make promises as to what direction the USSR’s hostage States would lean when they were freed

    This is a valid point but NATO is within its rights to admit or not admit any country, or perhaps slow down 5e process of admission.

    As for the promises made, it is a murky subject. My impression is that statements were made to that effect, and some interpret them as promises. Some of these statements were public and I remember them.

  227. BorisG

    WASHINGTON (AFP) — Thousands of Russian-linked social media accounts have launched a coordinated effort to spread alarm about the new coronavirus, disrupting global efforts to fight the epidemic, US officials say.

    The disinformation campaign promotes unfounded conspiracy theories that the United States is behind the COVID-19 outbreak, in an apparent bid to damage the US image around the world by seizing on health concerns.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-linked-disinformation-campaign-fueling-coronavirus-alarm-us-says/

  228. BorisG

    The above is for Putin lovers.

  229. BorisG

    And also for those who say Russia is insignificant.

  230. Zatara

    My impression is that statements were made to that effect, and some interpret them as promises. Some of these statements were public and I remember them.

    Public statement or not, words in a decades long propaganda war don’t have much validity unless they are written down and signed, and apparently little enough then. The only such signed agreement was the Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany of September 12, 1990. It only covered East Germany.

    If the USSR actually assumed that the conditions of that treaty covered the other departing States as well then they were over-reaching and I think that unlikely. What is more likely is that their propaganda arms pushed that theory hoping it would become accepted as fact as they didn’t want to have to negotiate for it (possibly because it would have directly interfered with their later actions such as invading Ukraine).

    Again, the West had no right to make any promises as to what influences the former Soviet hostages would take and any assurances of Western intent (including not folding them into NATO immediately) would have been made with the assurance of Russia behaving towards those states. Invading Ukraine and annexing Crimea by force doesn’t qualify as behaving.

  231. BorisG

    Invading Ukraine and annexing Crimea by force doesn’t qualify as behaving.

    Certainly agree with this part. But many Cats somehow don’t.

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