Remind me: Who won the last election?

Update: From the Hansard:

Senator KENEALLY (New South WalesDeputy Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) (15:55): I move:

That the Senate—

(a) notes that:

   (i) on the same day that Queensland Police Commissioner, Ms Katarina Carroll, said it was inappropriate to suggest the murder of a woman and her children by her husband could be an instance of a husband being driven too far, Ms Bettina Arndt, who received an Order of Australia honour in January, nonetheless said “keeping an open mind and awaiting proper evidence, including the possibility that Rowan Baxter might have been driven too far”,

   (ii) the statement of Ms Arndt has the potential to bring the Order of Australia, instituted by Her Majesty The Queen, into disrepute, and

   (iii) Order of Australia awards are a privilege and an honour and come with responsibilities; and

(b) agrees that:

   (i) Ms Arndt’s comments are reckless and abhorrent, and

   (ii) the values that underpin Ms Arndt’s views on this horrific family violence incident are not consistent with her retaining her Order of Australia.

Division: AYES 55 (53 majority) NOES 2 PAIRS 0

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The Senate divided. [16:03]
(The President—Senator Ryan)

Question agreed to.

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81 Responses to Remind me: Who won the last election?

  1. Wayne From Perth

    For the Senate to take a formal vote on removing an award to a private citizen is a Star Chamber act and is as far as I know unprecedented. Bettina Arndt has been accused tried and convicted without the opportunity to respond in any way.

    It is unconscionable and should be contrary to parliamentary rules of conduct.

    Regardless of your views Bettina is a private citizen and not a politician and her right to freedom of speech should be inviolate.

  2. a reader

    This is an actual fucking disgrace

  3. Tom

    Give us a spell, Doomlord. Don’t feign suprise that the LNP government doesn’t believe in anything and therefore stands for nothing — which is why they allowed the hijacking of the party by your renewables scam artist Trumble.

    You were a gullible accomplice of that fraud — essentially because you are an economic anarchist who would never support a program that concentrated on economic growth and wealth creation. There would always be a philosophical sticking point that justified failure and inaction.

  4. cohenite

    Both Pauline and Bettina were saying not all men should be blamed for this monstrous act. One feminist was reported as saying that all men in relationship breakups, not just marriages but all relationships, should be monitored and subject to psychiatric assessment.

    You can’t make laws for people who break laws. 999 men out of a thousand cop it on the chin, or commit suicide. The rate of male suicide is 3 times the rate of female suicide in this country. AVOs and DVOs are often used as weapons in proceedings. There’s 2 types: accusation based and those based on a provable fact such as violence, intimidation, kidnapping a kid, vandalism etc. There’s really nothing you can do about the former; the second may need tightening up. I don’t know if there were such provable facts in the murder of the wife and kids by this bastard. But this is what I took Pauline and Bettina to be talking about; that there might be something in the process which drove the bastard to this act, which can be improved so as to stop or minimise such a thing happening again. They were not justifying what the bastard did, they were saying maybe something can be improved to prevent it happening again.

    But there’ll always be that 1 out of a 1000 guy who cracks, who does the evil thing.

  5. H B Bear

    A new low for the believe in nothing Lieborals.

  6. Archivist

    Remind me: Who won the last election?

    It doesn’t make any difference. They’re surrounded by bureaucrats, advisors, and pollsters, who tell them what to say and do. They don’t even write their legislation.

    On this particular issue, it shows that our politicians have forgotten the art of ignoring issues until they go away. They think they have to dance when the piper plays.

  7. egg_

    They’re surrounded by bureaucrats, advisors, and pollsters, who tell them what to say and do.

    Fielding the C Grade team will do that.

  8. C.L.

    One of the most disgraceful moments in the history of the loathsome Liberal Party.

    Federal Government backs push to strip Bettina Arndt of Order of Australia honour.

    There’s that word again: strip.

  9. C.L.

    Liberal Senator Jonathon Duniam said there are never any excuses or justifications for family violence.

    “We will support this [Labor] motion (because) comments like those expressed by Ms Arndt are abhorrent and unacceptable,” he told the Senate.

    Just ponder that: a Liberal regards “comments” as unacceptable.
    Turds.

  10. 2dogs

    I am not sure this is lawful under clause 39 of the Magna Carta.

    The House of Lords in the UK can do this in respect of a lord, becuase the HoL is a jury of peers with respect to a lord.

    But while the senate is the Australian equivalent of the HoL, the senate are not the peers of Bettina Arndt.

    Letters Patent, such as the Letters Patent for the Order of Australia, are not themselves “laws”, and thereby are not “laws of the land”.

    Clause 30 of the Letters Patent does not indicate who advises the GG.

    Clause 30A specifically says the PM, but that clause does not cover terminations.

  11. BrettW

    Cohenite summed up my thoughts pretty well.

    There was a massive unjustified beat up on the Police Inspector. 30 seconds of what he said in a 13 minute briefing was constantly played without the full context of what he said. He was simply saying they were going to investigate by looking at both sides. He also, in answer to a question, said he was not leaning towards the view the killer had been pushed too far. However mere mention of it set off a firestorm of criticism and Hadley, Fordham and Stanley were playing only that little part of his briefing and driving the criticism. You have to wonder if they ever listened to the whole briefing.

    I did note Arndt mentioned (as posted by Areff a few evenings ago) she had been spoken to by a relative of the killer and it had been suggested to her something might come out, regarding the wife, that had so far not been revealed. I saw a similar comment made by a columnist in the Courier Mail.

    Please note this guy was a total scumbag for what he did. Nevertheless the full circumstances of the lead up to the barbarous act needs to be fully investigated to understand his mind set.

  12. BrettW

    PS. The vote in Parliament was a disgrace. Good on Pauline and Malcolm.

    Arndt was merely saying the case should be looked at from both sides which is what the Inspector indicated.

  13. duncanm

    cohenite
    #3334892, posted on February 25, 2020 at 10:18 pm

    But there’ll always be that 1 out of a 1000 guy who cracks, who does the evil thing.

    there are 40,000 divorces in Australia per year.

    Its more like 1 in 10,000 who’ll do something heinous..

    But yeh – let’s monitor those 40,000 men (plus the probably similar number of defacto breakups).

  14. Pete of Perth

    % of pollies convicted as pedoes is higher. Perhaps we should monitor the remaining.

  15. Up The Workers!

    Looking at the conga-line of arseholes that they’ve awarded “Australian Honours” to in recent years, it is now highly debatable whether it still actually constitutes an “Honour” or a “Dishonour” to receive one.

    Bettina Arndt is worth at least 20 of the treacherous Labor/Labor-Lite anti-Australian totalitarian vermin in the photo.

    They are an absolute disgrace.

  16. duncanm

    Pete of Perth
    #3334951, posted on February 25, 2020 at 11:11 pm

    % of pollies convicted as pedoes is higher. Perhaps we should monitor the remaining.

    % of pollies convicted for domestic assault is also pretty high.

    Pollies, and unionists.

  17. Infidel Tiger

    Why wait until the next election to hand over to Labor.

    For all intents and purposes they are in charge now.

    Morrison is a very low energy fella. I’m not sure what he will fight for, but I bet it’s deep fried or cream centred.

  18. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Am I missing something that everyone else can see?

    There is a photo of the Senate, a dozen or so responses to a question by the author … an author of nothing other than a photo and a seven word obtuse question!

    I have looked at the Australian and the Telegraph front pages and see nothing about the Senate and Bertina Arndt. I am confused!

  19. Old School Conservative

    Mick, on Tuesday Labor put forward a motion in the Senate condemning Bettina Arndt.
    From the Fin Review:
    Facing calls for her Order of Australia honour to be revoked, Ms Arndt was condemned in a Senate vote on Tuesday.
    One Nation was the only party to vote against a motion proposed by Labor, supported by the government and the majority of the crossbench.

    The photo shows Labor and LNP united and ON the only votes against the proposal, hence the question at the top of this page.

    Apologies if you knew that and I have missed your meaning.

  20. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Old School Conservative at 12:26 am:

    “Mick, on Tuesday Labor put forward a motion in the Senate condemning Bettina Arndt.
    From the Fin Review:
    Facing calls for her Order of Australia honour to be revoked, Ms Arndt was condemned in a Senate vote on Tuesday.
    One Nation was the only party to vote against a motion proposed by Labor, supported by the government and the majority of the crossbench.

    The photo shows …”

    I am ever so grateful for your explanation, thank you.

    In fifty years as a spectator I cannot remember anything even approaching this impudent intrusion by the politicians into the business of a soft issues “independent” committee.

    Morrison is a fool, the least mediocre of a clutch of Liberal and National ministers and Labor members who have a childlike perspective on their role.

  21. Scott Osmond

    That is what comes of living in a bubble. Also comes of selecting weak men to stand. I’ve said for a while we are living in a gynocracy where facts and reality are ignored in favour of feelings and perceptions.

  22. jupes

    This is what an emasculated country looks like.

  23. How is this any of the Senate’s business anyway?

  24. That is what comes of living in a bubble. Also comes of selecting weak men to stand. I’ve said for a while we are living in a gynocracy where facts and reality are ignored in favour of feelings and perceptions.

    Spot on. Our leaders are spineless cowards. My own views on Arndt are not positive; I disagree with many of her positions as they just perpetuate the problem. But this act by the Liberal Party is a new low and an absolute disgrace.

  25. miltonf

    A bland, uninspiring building filled mostly with bland, uninspiring people located in a contrived, parasitic little city.

  26. Dr Faustus

    What Arndt said:

    Arndt tweeted, “Congratulations to the Queensland police for keeping an open mind and awaiting proper evidence, including the possibility that Rowan Baxter might have been ‘driven too far.’”

    The Senate motion:

    ”The values that underpin Ms. Arndt’s views on this horrific family violence incident are not consistent with her retaining her Order of Australia,” it said.

    The repugnance of an investigating authority keeping an open mind and awaiting proper evidence before reaching a conclusion.

  27. Dianeh

    Labor and Greens think they have won. LNP are just our and out losers.

    Bettina will not be silenced and with an even larger audience due to all the publicity she has received.

  28. Iampeter

    Yea I remember trying to explain in one of the election threads to all the cheerleaders for Morrison that their cheering made no sense if they opposed leftism and Labor.
    Something similar happened with Boris Johnson’s win, a statist promising nationalizations and expanding government run healthcare, was being celebrated as a win for “proper conservative values” by such big brains here as Infidel Tiger, if I recall correctly.

    Also, there’s literally a post above this one claiming Trump, the leftist President that brought back tariffs and is passing record breaking bailouts, is producing the best economic results, so it’s not really clear why most posters here would oppose Labor running things anyway.

    As usual reading the attempts by conservatives trying to describe today’s events and discuss politics is like taking acid.

  29. Fred

    Spineless Liberals. Which heretic will have their award taken away next?

    Things were different in the old days.

    “The King feels so strongly that, no matter the crime committed by anyone on whom the VC has been conferred, the decoration should not be forfeited. Even were a VC to be sentenced to be hanged for murder, he should be allowed to wear the VC on the scaffold”

  30. amortiser

    So no one was interested in what drove the indigenous woman in Cairns to knife her eight children?

  31. Andreas

    What Arndt said:

    Arndt tweeted, “Congratulations to the Queensland police for keeping an open mind and awaiting proper evidence, including the possibility that Rowan Baxter might have been ‘driven too far.’”

    The Senate motion:

    ”The values that underpin Ms. Arndt’s views on this horrific family violence incident are not consistent with her retaining her Order of Australia,” it said.

    And yet whenever a terrorist stabs people or runs people over it’s because they’ve been ‘driven too far’ by our racist and horrible society.

  32. Gwendolyn

    My own views on Arndt are not positive; I disagree with many of her positions as they just perpetuate the problem.

    I couldn’t agree with you more Adam!

  33. Infanticide is the intentional killing of a child less than one year old. It is less severly punishable than murder. More women (usually the mother) kill than men (usually the father). Many more I have read. Why less severely punishable? A common justification is that the mothers suffer post-natal depression. That is, investigation of the circumstances of many such case leading up to the killing provides a justification for a law that in every case mitigates the horror of the killing. (A discrete point here: is not the killing if as child an horrendous act in itself?)

  34. Rossini

    Wasted my vote.
    Not next time.
    One Nation has hold the balance of power after this

  35. Scott Osmond

    No. Because of pussy pass. Women seem to get lighter sentences for crimes. Women want equality of outcomes but not responsibility.

  36. It should be apparent, but my point is that in every case of child killing, there needs be an examination of the circumstances leading to the death before a moral judgement of the killer be made. Is Arndt saying any more than this?

  37. Ed Case

    So no one was interested in what drove the indigenous woman in Cairns to knife her eight children?

    The State was so not interested it demolished the house and leveled the site a few weeks later.

  38. Mother Lode

    Remind me: Who won the last election?

    Politicians.

  39. Porter

    I say it again. Really pissed off with the Libs. Even golden IPA child Paterson votes for this. Shame on the spineless prick.

  40. Porter

    Dear Iraj Harirchi. In spite of your being a member of the hateful Iranian regime, we who are civilized should apparently be empathetic to your plight and wish you a recovery. But let’s be fair here. You stood there trying to lie to your own people, like all your colleagues continue to lie to your own people even when their own lives could be at risk. Count this as karma for lunch, son.

  41. The BigBlueCat

    A bloke murdering his wife and children is an absolute tragic event – one might even say insane. If we are ever going to do something about domestic violence in this country, we need to understand the motivations of those who commit these terrible and despicable acts. But they left’s response is “men should just stop killing women”. This is absolutely a trite and useless response to the issue.

    Arndt’s post is a wake up call to the feminists and other leftists who think this is a simple issue. She was right to say that all aspects of this case should be looked into, including the state of mind of the killer. I would suggest that leftists don’t want to know, as it’s easier for them to condemn than to actually do something about it.

    That the Liberals sides with Labor is bad enough – while they managed to avoid a wedge issue, they have exposed themselves asa “do nothing” party on social issues. Shame on them. Unless they are prepared to hear from acknowledged professionals like Arndt, then they are merely sticking their heads in the sand (or up their arses?).

    Arndt wasn’t exonerating the killer – she was calling for a balanced investigation. Isn’t that what we all would want for ourselves. Isn’t that what our government should be standing up for?

  42. Geoff

    Bolt, Credlin, Markson and other Sky News pundits have also joined the lynch mob in condemning Arndt. Would have thought that Bolt of all people would have had some empathy for someone who is a victim of what is a cowardly witch hunt. Alan Jones though expressed support for Arndt last night on Sky.

  43. Ed Case

    The Bettina Arndt issue is about to the queensland labor government suspending a police detective.
    Why would the liberal and national parties in Canberra want to assist in bailing out a state labor government?

  44. Porter

    From Arndt’s blog, she linked? posted? this (I don’t use facebook so don’t know how it works):

    Jewell Drury – NSW Senate Candidate
    20 February at 04:25 ·

    I am disgusted at the public outcry of “rot in hell” toward the Father who killed himself and his family yesterday.

    This tragedy cuts at all of our hearts.
    I cannot begin to imagine the heartache and disbelief for both families.

    Last week I shared the domestic violence deaths of three men, Jeffrey Lindsell and two Fathers, Darren Reid and Daniel Surtees, who were all set on fire by their partners in seperate incidents, in front of their children and later died from their injuries.
    Three men each murdered in a brutally, evil and barbaric act allegedly murdered by their female partners.
    All three set on fire and left to die.

    No floral tributes , no public domestic violence outcry, no DV outrage by the Project or Today Hosts, nobody to stand up for these men who were innocent victims of Domestic Violence.

    Floral tributes have been laid today for the victims of yesterday’s murder with public outcries cursing the man to hell.
    The Fathers Facebook videos are being used and spammed on every network interviewing “so called experts “ as they blanket this tragedy as yet another assault on women and their children.

    In stark contrast the murders of children by their mothers below were represented as a mothers tragic cry for help or a woman who couldn’t cope with the pressures of the family and of course the mother MUST have suffered DV at the hands of the Father, which has been found to be completely untrue in all of these cases below……

    Tamara Gurney is currently awaiting trial after allegedly murdering her three year old Isla Gurney.
    The mother was charged with murdering the child and then setting her daughters bedroom on fire, the same day she was to give the child to the child’s Father after he was awarded full custody….

    Drury continues with a litany of other cases.

  45. Porter

    Bettina Arndt’s facebook has a post by
    Jewell Drury – NSW Senate Candidate
    20 February at 04:25 ·

    I just posted an excerpt but it went into moderation. Basically she gives a litany of recent cases of women killing partners or children. Apparently three men were recently set on fire by their partners in separate incidents. No tears and candlelight vigils for them. First I have heard of it but just goes to show how biased our media is.

  46. Ed Case

    That the Liberals sides with Labor is bad enough – while they managed to avoid a wedge issue,

    Was it really a wedge issue? The senators have now wedged their own parties in the Reps when they might have condemned labor for playing politics with 5 deaths and taken the high ground.

  47. Porter

    Be tt ina Ar n dt’s face book has a post by
    Je w ell Dr ury – NSW Se nat e Candida te
    20 February at 04:25 ·

    I just posted an excerpt but it went into moderation. Basically she gives a litany of recent cases of women ki ll ing partners or children. Apparently three men were recently set on fire by their partners in separate incidents. No tears and candlelight vigils for them. First I have heard of it but just goes to show how biased our media is.

  48. Archivist

    So no one was interested in what drove the indigenous woman in Cairns to knife her eight children?

    Yes. It’s perfectly acceptable to ask that question. See, for example, this ABC item:
    Cairns children killings: What drove Raina Thaiday to slay eight kids?

  49. Archivist

    Was it really a wedge issue?

    No.
    But the activist left has responded rapidly and effectively, so I can see why the politicians got spooked. They take everything at face value. The successful spontaneous protest against the Queensland cop was organised in 24 hours. Someone in the halls of power must surely be wondering how organic it really was.

  50. Andreas

    There are more than 40,000 people in the Order of Australia, is the senate going to monitor every single one now for Incorrect Opinions?

  51. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    There are more than 40,000 people in the Order of Australia

    Revealing what an utterly worthless bauble it is.

  52. Dasher

    Call Corman’s office and tell them how appalled you are…I could not believe that they would be part of such a pile on private citizen…oh and Chris Kenny pointed out last night people such as Caro and Bongiorno have real form on truly inappropriate tweets and no-one bats an eyelid…..I called Corman’s office and so should you.

  53. Des Deskperson

    What’s interesting here is the fact that Parliament – or at least one House of it – is, for all practical purposes, demanding that the Governor- General overturn a decision he has made as part of his administrative, if not constitutional, responsibilities following what is meant to be an apolitical process of assessment and recommendation. What, I wonder, are the legal and constitutional implications.

    Here BTW, is a list of the members of the Council of the Order of Australia, to which to which we understand calls for Arndt to be stripped of her Order have been referred for recommendation:

    Community Representative
    Ms Amelia Hodge

    Community Representative
    Mr Rupert Myer AO

    Community Representative
    Ms Elizabeth Broderick AO

    Community Representative
    Professor Mathew Vadas AO

    Community Representative
    The Honourable Shane Stone AC QC

    Community Representative
    The Honourable Cheryl Edwardes AM

    Community Representative
    Mr Mr. Bernard Wright AO

    Community Representative
    Ms Gabrielle Trainor AO

    Member – nominated by State/Territory (Victoria)
    Mr Joshua Puls MVO

    Member-nominated by State /Territory (Tasmania)
    Ms Jenny Gale

    Member-nominated by State/Territory (Australian Capital Territory)
    Ms Kathy Leigh

    Member-nominated by State/Territory (New South Wales)
    Mr Mike Miller RFD

    Member-nominated by State/Territory (Northern Territory)
    Ms Catherine Weber

    Member-nominated by State/Territory (Queensland)
    Ms Filly Morgan PSM

    Member-nominated by State/Territory (South Australia)
    Ms Carolyn Sladden

    Member-nominated by State/Territory (Western Australia)
    Ms Kaoline Gulich

    Will Elizabeth Broderick AO stand up for Arndt?

  54. Terry

    “Remind me: Who won the last election?”

    THEY did.

  55. The BigBlueCat

    Was it really a wedge issue?

    I think it was … and when the Labor party is involved it is guaranteed to be an attempt to make the Liberals look like misogynistic troglodytes. As always in politics, there are bigger issues at play here, but for the life of me I can’t understand why the Liberals would choose this issue. I am particularly disappointed in Senator James Paterson’s take on this – I would have thought he would have defended Arndt.

    I understand that Tim Smith MP (LIB) has been outspoken against Arndt, and I would be interested to understand why he would be so outspoken. Surely our government should support balanced police investigations into tragedies like the one referred to, rather than a half-cocked pre-determined investigation that at best “solves the crime” and at worst won’t stop the next one from happening or changing the circumstances that allowed this one to happen.

    The key assumption the feminists and the left (but I repeat myself) is that “what drove him” is code for “victim-blaming”. Of course, it’s not – maybe the bloke’s mother goaded him, maybe his mates, maybe his accountant. I mean, who knows what his motivations were and that’s the point. Calling for a balanced investigation to understand “what drove him” should not be cause for concern. Unless you’re a leftist and don’t want to know the answer.

    But I do wonder that if Arndt has her gong taken away from her, what her options might be regarding defamation …. especially if it can be demonstrated in court that her comments are reasonable and shouldn’t be taken as victim-blaming.

  56. bespoke

    At least list time the mob have gone after an adult and not a young girl that said one word.

  57. Struth

    A bunch of people who through their action or inaction, have sat in our senate allowing and pushing for the importation of Islaaaaamic terrorism on to our streets and cafes, that actually kill Australians, now decide that a woman’s speech is offensive to them!

  58. Terry

    @The BigBlueCat
    “they have exposed themselves as a “do nothing” party on social issues.”

    No, no, no, no, no. A “do nothing” party on social issues is precisely what they should be (at least in the Federal Senate).

    They have exposed themselves (again) as virtue-signaling busy-bodies, operating well beyond their remit.

    The Federal Senate should have absolutely NOTHING to say on this matter – don’t you have some submarine contracts to fix or something?

    They should be hard at work finding ever more creative ways to disentangle our Federal laws from being involved in “social issues” – repealing 18c would be a start (since it appears they have little else of value to do).

  59. The BigBlueCat

    They have exposed themselves (again) as virtue-signaling busy-bodies, operating well beyond their remit.

    Yes, I see your point. My “do nothing” comment meant “do nothing conservative” on social issues. You are right – they should not have got involved with this issue, and should have defended the independence of the Council of the Order of Australia and the Governor-General. I believe it is wrong for the Senate to have had this motion in the first place, and the Liberals should have resisted the move on that basis, irrespective of how they viewed Arndt’s comments. Let’s see what happens next.

    And repealing RDA S18c should have been a no-brainer for them. Their opportunity for redemption on this is well past.

  60. Mother Lode

    If Bolta would like to become relevant again – for a bit at least – he should read those posts of Bettina’s that Porter pasted above.

    She is not mocking or dismissing DV, she is pointing to a reality that too many people are overlooking. They misdiagnose the problem and so mis-prescribe the cure.

    Bolta want’s to be even handed? Let him call out both sides – Liberal and Labor – that have disgraced themselves with their unthinking reflexive condemning someone based on a label they did not even attached themselves. Just some people said…

    I hope Alan Jones sees it too – so, if necessary, he can call out Bolta.

  61. Ed Case

    As always in politics, there are bigger issues at play here, but for the life of me I can’t understand why the Liberals would choose this issue.

    Politics in Australia has been about maintaining a narrative rather than what’s best for Australia.
    First i heard of the original event before Bettina Arndt got involved was reading the Oz last thursday and comparing it with the coverage in the Courier. Both papers tell a similar tale but the Oz has something that the Courier doesn’t.
    Reading between the lines and doing some basic research …

  62. The BigBlueCat

    Both papers tell a similar tale but the Oz has something that the Courier doesn’t.

    The Oz is paid subscription … not everyone has it. Can you cut-and-paste?

  63. Roger

    Remind me: Who won the last election?

    The wet wing of the Uniparty.

  64. The BigBlueCat

    The proposition that the LNP are better than the ALP and Greens is well and truly debunked. You can’t even say they are “least worst” anymore.

  65. The BigBlueCat

    FWIW, Arndt’s citation for her AM:

    Ms Bettina Mary ARNDT, Woollahra NSW 2025
    For significant service to the community as a social commentator, and to gender equity through advocacy for men.
     Sex Therapist, since 1970s and Social Commentator and Advocate for Men’s Issues. Government roles
     Member, Assisted Reproductive Technologies (ART) Review Committee, 2005.
     Member, Child Support Review Ministerial Reference Group, 2004.
     Member, National Advisory Committee on Ageing, 2003.
     Member, Family Law Pathways Advisory Group, 2000.
    Forum Magazine
     Editor/Publisher, 1973-1981.
    The Australian
     Feature Writer and Columnist, 1991-1995.
     Regular Contributor, since 2006.
    The Age Newspaper
     Feature Writer, 1986-1991.
    Sydney Macquarie Radio Station, 2GB
     Presenter/host, talk-back radio program, 1982-1984. The Sydney Morning Herald
     Feature Writer, since 1995. Four Corners, ABC
     Guest Reporter, 1992. Australian Consolidated Press
     Feature Writer, 2004-2006, and 1981-1986. Women’s Weekly
     Feature Writer, since 2005. Australian National University
     Council Member, 1996-2004, and 1976-1986. Royal Women’s Hospital Foundation
     President, 1999.
    Other service includes:
     Online Dating Coach, 2001-2017.
     Contributor, Jordan Peterson’s thinkspot, since 2019.
     Campus Tour, since 2018.
    Author, co-author, editor and/or publisher of a range of books, including:
     What men want: in bed, 2010.
     The sex diaries: why women go off sex and other bedroom battles, 2009-2011.
     Taking sides: men, women and the shifting social agenda, 2009.
     Arndt’s story the life of an Australian economist, Peter Coleman, Selwyn Cornish,Peter Drake, comment by Bettina Arndt, 2007.
     The Australian way of sex, 1985-1988.
     Private lives, 1986.
     The Bettina Arndt guide to lovemaking for men, 1982.
     The Bettina Arndt Guide to lovemaking for women, 1980-1984.
     The Bettina Arndt Guide to lovemaking, 1982.
     #Men Too, 2018.
    Awards and recognition includes:
     Centenary Medal, 2003.

  66. Mother Lode

    There are more than 40,000 people in the Order of Australia, is the senate going to monitor every single one now for Incorrect Opinions?

    That’s OK.

    The Greens, GetUp!, and countless activists have volunteered to do the job.

  67. The BigBlueCat

    In my view, Arndt’s comments are the continued reflection of what she was awarded her AM for. Should the G-G or the Council of the Order of Australia reverse their award then that would be in clear contradiction of why she was awarded in the first place.

  68. Terry

    “Yes, I see your point. My “do nothing” comment meant “do nothing conservative” on social issues.”
    As I do yours. I totally agree with your original comment.

    “And repealing RDA S18c should have been a no-brainer for them.” – and no brains is exactly what they applied.

    While politicising a tragedy like this isn’t pleasant, when the fight is brought to your doorstep, it presents the perfect opportunity to take a principled stand and, on the floor of the parliament, explain exactly why you are taking that stand.

    Instead, the jelly-back Libs roll-over instantly hoping the feral Left will throw them a few scraps, pat them on the head and rub their belly. In reality, the feral left will eat your brain if you do not accept them for the zombies they are – you cannot negotiate with a zombie.

    This kind of example is exactly the kind of battleground on which 18c (and the entire offense-industry) should be expunged.

    “Their opportunity for redemption on this is well past.”
    I fear you are correct.
    Between the Libs, Nats, Lib-Dems and (the now-defunct) AusCons, I have often wondered what the Centre-right of Australian politics will look like when it eventually rises from the ashes (if that is in my lifetime).

  69. stackja

    ScoMo not what was voted for?

  70. Terry

    “In my view, Arndt’s comments are the continued reflection of what she was awarded her AM for.”

    Given most of these types of committees have already been captured by ‘the Left’, it is unclear exactly how she managed to “slip through the cracks” in the first place.

    However, looking at some of the past recipients, Bettina should probably reject the “award” on the grounds that it diminishes her reputation.

    I mean, there was the pungent waft of sanctimony when Tony Abbott re-introduced “Knights and Dames”, yet we continue with these low-brow “back-slaps” to hand out to “mates” and pretend they come with any kind of esteem whatsoever. Very much like the ‘AOTY’, which is simply an excuse for a socially “acceptable” celebrity to lecture all of those dirty proles about how very racist and bigoted they are.

    Why do we need any of this crap at all?

  71. Mother Lode

    The proposition that the LNP are better than the ALP and Greens is well and truly debunked.

    We have the choice of having a left-wing agenda imposed by either the Liberal Party of the Labor Party.

    In the case of Labor and the Greens politics is their natural element. They crave power and control to impose their adolescent fantasies on the nation – so the parties act as a magnet for the most power driven individuals, who have jettisoned all respect for normal citizens, all compassion, all morality, all introspection, everything that would deflect them from their one goal: Power.

    The Liberal Party, on the other hand, is notionally not about power. The name when taken was not an exercise in cynicism. But the people it would attract were not desperate for power. People who felt strongly about liberties, freedom, family etc would not be attracted to the lumbering bureaucratic beast it has become. It collects instead the mediocrities we have there now – with the exception of an honourable few who are trying to resuscitate the cause from within.

    But generally they are fingery polyps in the sea, uniformly swaying with the tides or the undercurrent of sea swells, their gelatinous consistency a perfect adaptation where any resistance to the passing whorls and currents could injure them.

    Because, of course, polyps are only in it for their polypy selves.

  72. The BigBlueCat

    However, looking at some of the past recipients, Bettina should probably reject the “award” on the grounds that it diminishes her reputation.

    On the basis that is was awarded, and then taken away, Arndt I believe would have a strong case for defamation, especially given the reasons for the award. This Senate motion backed by the Liberals is pure misandrist virtue-signalling, and it is not lost on me that the motion was put by two leftist female Senators (noting that Wong is clearly a female despite her familial role).

    Had Arndt rejected the award, her comments would have gone unnoticed. That the Council of the Order of Australia decided to give her the gong in the first place, means that she is supposedly an eminent Australian and should be listened to (if we are to believe that the awards actually mean something).

    There was an uproar of sorts (because of Arndt’s support for men’s issues) from femnazis when she was awarded the AM, wasn’t there? The Senate motion is just a perpetuation of that.

  73. Des Deskperson

    ‘In my view, Arndt’s comments are the continued reflection of what she was awarded her AM for. Should the G-G or the Council of the Order of Australia reverse their award then that would be in clear contradiction of why she was awarded in the first place.’

    Prima facie, such a reversal would involve a considerable loss of prestige for the Council. both in terms of its judgement and perceptions of its independence from political influence.

    It could however, argue that the ‘heinous’ remarks made by Arndt after the award, in relation to the Baxter murders, now provide firm grounds for stripping her of it.

    Of course, we don’t know how much time and effort the Council actually put in to considering and agreeing the recommendations and therefor how much of a stake it actually has. The Council may be the exception, but in my experience with award processes, it’s the secretariat that calls the shots, with the decision or recommendation making body – generally composed of busy people – rubber stamping what the secretariat puts up.

    There is still the question of why Arndt was recommended in the first place, given her controversial and unfashionable views. The Awards website is banging on about gender imbalance and calling for more women to be nominated for the Order, so it’s a reasonable speculation that gender now plays at least some part in developing the recommendations. It would be ironic, would it not, if Arndt’s real or primary reason for being recommended was her gender

  74. John A

    Des Deskperson #3335462, posted on February 26, 2020 at 12:25 pm

    ‘In my view, Arndt’s comments are the continued reflection of what she was awarded her AM for. Should the G-G or the Council of the Order of Australia reverse their award then that would be in clear contradiction of why she was awarded in the first place.’

    Prima facie, such a reversal would involve a considerable loss of prestige for the Council. both in terms of its judgement and perceptions of its independence from political influence.

    It could however, argue that the ‘heinous’ remarks made by Arndt after the award, in relation to the Baxter murders, now provide firm grounds for stripping her of it.

    Given that her commentary was controversial, I stand by my comment yesterday that they represent confirmation of the reason for bestowing the “honour” in the first place.

  75. Lee

    A bloke murdering his wife and children is an absolute tragic event – one might even say insane. If we are ever going to do something about domestic violence in this country, we need to understand the motivations of those who commit these terrible and despicable acts.

    True.

    If someone is not prepared to find out the motivations for heinous crimes like this, it will inevitably happen again.

    And again.

    It doesn’t mean you’re in sympathy with, or excusing the killer.

    Sticking your head in the sand never solves anything.

  76. amortiser

    Ed Case
    #3335163, posted on February 26, 2020 at 8:27 am
    So no one was interested in what drove the indigenous woman in Cairns to knife her eight children?

    The State was so not interested it demolished the house and leveled the site a few weeks later.

    It’s comforting to know that the State of Queensland appropriately dealt with the entity responsible.

  77. The vote was 55-2
    2 Senators voted against is (Senators Hanson & Roberts)
    19 Senators did not vote – presumably otherwise occupied.

    Anybody know which Senators make up the 19?

    I’d recommend the public bombard the remainder of the coalition Senators, the ones who voted.

    … on the grounds that is is not the concern of the Senate whatever Bettina Arndt may have said. The musings of an individual are not for the Senate to bother itself with.

  78. Lee

    What is Pakistan-born senator Maureen Faruqi’s views on her religion’s honour-killings?

    I’d expect some wishy-washy reply, à la Waleed Aly.

  79. Amaris

    I may not agree with your point of view but I will die fighting for your right to state it.
    In this case, I do agree with Bettina’s point of view. She is not saying the man committing this act is exonerated from anything. She is saying that we all have something to learn from the actions of a man who became so angry, frustrated, upset, overwhelmed, hated, abandoned (?) .. we don’t know .. that he stooped to this abhorrent series of actions.
    If this man had committed suicide only, nobody would be concerned by commentators suggesting it would be useful to know what drove his thinking or aggravated his situation to reach this point. If this man had killed his extended family, work mates or randoms in a shopping centre we would be allowed to ask how and why. How is it that if the crime is narrowed to his immediate family then we are stripped of the need or ability to ask how or why?
    I think the Australian Senate has become a victim of the Domestic Violence brigade.
    I have been a victim of DV and definitely do not condone it, however this lunacy needs to stop.
    Shame on the Senate for quashing free speech and a foundation of our democracy.
    Shame on our society for stirring up hatred and forgetting the importance of innocent until proven guilty.
    Is this another slide down the slippery slope of convicting prior to act or trial?
    We have terrorists in jail who have performed no acts of terrorism. Now, must we convict without trial as long as we can label a crime as DV? And must we assume that since it has the label DV, then we know all about it without asking any questions?

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