How to secure bipartisan funding for your spy agency

Neo-Nazis among Australia’s most challenging security threats, ASIO boss warns.

In suburbs around Australia, small cells regularly meet to salute Nazi flags, inspect weapons, train in combat and share their hateful ideology.”

– ASIO director general Mike Burgess

 
But not one Nazi cell brought before the courts on weapons and related charges anywhere in Australia. Odd.

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74 Responses to How to secure bipartisan funding for your spy agency

  1. Archivist

    But not one Nazi cell brought before the courts on weapons and related charges anywhere in Australia. Odd.

    Nor one Chinese spy, either.

    All this activity, but nobody ever caught and charged.

  2. Terry

    These are exactly the kinds of people that we should never be ceding even more of our freedoms to.

    When Antifa and XR infest the streets, Chicoms openly interfere with our polity and certain religions of tolerance actively promote the destruction of our civilisation, all these “protectors” see are “Nazis” everywhere.

    Can we get some capable adults in charge please.

  3. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    Who have these Neo-Nazis stabbed, blown up or run over with a vehicles? Hmmm!

  4. candy

    Where are these weapons and where are the people training – in their living rooms?
    If so, how do ASIO know – except by spying on people in their living rooms and how do they do that?

    I am in an ordinary suburb and I have never seen Nazis in the parks, inspecting their weapons, having rallies or training so they must be doing this in the living room.

    How do ASIO know this and can we see the pictures so we can be sure they are telling the truth, and not just after more funding to fortify their base in Canberra.

  5. Geriatric Mayfly

    Being a person of covert habits, he is talking in Enigma Code. Once you get hold of the manual you will find out that he really means M- o -oslies are a clear and present danger.

  6. Scott Osmond

    Let me know when those Nazi’s stab people, blow things up and drive through a crowd. Also how many are currently serving time for crimes? If the numbers of threats are doubling maybe rethink the immigration policy? I wouldn’t trust these people with more power or resources.

  7. Pyrmonter

    Not now, maybe. But self-described fascists or neo-nazis have engaged in serious criminality within historical memory. I’m as skeptical of the intelligence state and the bureaucratic incentives to accumulate power as the next liberal, but let’s not kid ourselves that thugs like Jack van Tongeren, Jim Saleam and their minions harmless.

  8. cuckoo

    Watched this guy on the news last night. Tragic show pony. Like a lot (not all) of our Emergency Services chiefs, he seems to have had his head turned by exposure to microphones and camera lights. Does he take his martinis shaken or stirred? Beretta or Walther PPK?

  9. jupes

    Surely if there were more Nazis in Australia then there would be more Nazi informants. Therefore Australia should place no restrictions on Nazi immigration, otherwise they will stop cooperating and ASIO will get no more reports of weapon training in Nazi lounge rooms.

  10. jupes

    Not now, maybe.

    Then what is the fool banging on about?

  11. Archivist

    There are a variety of threats.
    The Intel agencies know which ones are the priorities, even if they don’t say so on TV.
    They’re not seeking additional funds and powers to chase basement nazis.

  12. stackja

    Charles Spry ASIO DG upset the left.

  13. jupes

    They’re not seeking additional funds and powers to chase basement nazis.

    Then why mention them?

  14. Andreas

    In suburbs around Australia, small cells regularly meet to salute Nazi flags, inspect weapons, train in combat and share their hateful ideology.

    And draw up their plans for invading Poland and give out prizes for best goosestepper.

  15. Archivist

    Then why mention them?

    I think you can figure it out.

  16. Professor Fred Lenin

    We are still recruiting new members st universities,where they are taught to think indepenently , most of the best spies were unversity educated ,look at Philby ,Burgess ( not this zBurgess) McLean ,Blunt etc .
    Australian universities cann train able spies as good as Cambridge ._

  17. 2dogs

    Nor one Chinese spy, either.

    The Chinese spies are visible:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzRUzNLVaGg

    ASIO’s assertion, on the other hand, seems completely made up.

  18. jupes

    I think you can figure it out.

    No. Do tell.

  19. Archivist

    The answer is in the title of this post.

  20. Rossini

    More right wing extremists must be found to appease our left wing media!
    Forget about those harmless moosies!

  21. 2dogs

    Perhaps it could be fixed this way:

    In suburbs towns around Australia North Queensland, small cells regularly meet to salute Nazi flags, inspect weapons, train in combat and share their hateful separatist ideology.

  22. 2dogs

    The answer is in the title of this post.

    which says:

    How to secure bipartisan funding for your spy agency

    But you said:

    They’re not seeking additional funds

    So which is it? Are they seeking funding or not?

  23. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    let’s not kid ourselves that thugs like Jack van Tongeren, Jim Saleam and their minions harmless

    This preposterous individual is one of “Australia’s most prominent far-right extremists” (and an associate of the imbeciles named above).

    Please try not to die laughing.

  24. Struth

    In suburbs around Australia, small cells regularly meet to salute Nazi flags, inspect weapons, train in combat and share their hateful ideology.

    And slowly but surely they drew their plans against us………………………………………….”The chances of anything coming from Marleston , are a million to one she said,…………………but still, the come”

  25. mh

    most of the best spies were unversity educated ,look at Philby ,Burgess ( not this zBurgess) McLean ,Blunt etc

    Mike any relation to Guy?

  26. Roger

    But not one Nazi cell brought before the courts on weapons and related charges anywhere in Australia. Odd.

    Two individuals in recent times: Michael Holt (plotting a mass shooting at a Westfield shopping centre) & Phillip Galea (plotting targeted attacks on left wing entities).

    Not sure if ASIO played any role in their detection and arrest though.

  27. mh

    … and share their hateful ideology.”

    – ASIO director general Mike Burgess

    Discussing national socialism no doubt. Like issues with the NBN.

  28. Chris M

    Hahaha what a crackup! Either they are complete imbeciles or ‘Nazi’ is the new code word for Moooslim.

  29. Mother Lode

    A loyal lapdog.

    He avoids provoking any sort of outcry, claims of being victimised, profiling, or any other of the usual garbage by targeting people who do not go on rampages or have stentorious champions in the press.

    I have no doubt they are out there. I daresay a lot of them are unpleasant cranks. The list of their activities from Burgess are mostly sad – saluting flags, sharing ‘hateful’ ideology. The rest (Inspecting weapons? Training? For combat? With weapons? Or just karate?)

  30. Frank

    most of the best spies were unversity educated

    An acquaintance recently applied to the Defence Signals Directorate for a job, they are big on STEM types there apparently. The reply came in the form of a form email which explained the procedure and so on. It also had the entire list of applicants in there CC field which struck him as a slight security oversight.

    We are in the best of hands, clearly.

  31. mh

    Who was the terrorist shot dead in Brisbane’s CBD on Sunday?

    Was he a national socialist?

  32. Judge Dredd

    This whole Nazi-in-the-closet charade is such an overworn “scary” figure. Like all things with time it’s done and dusted. No reasonable person would believe that there’s lot of people out playing dress up and saluting socialist flags whilst acting like fascists (well apart from Antifa of course)

  33. mh

    It also had the entire list of applicants in there CC field which struck him as a slight security oversight.

    Didn’t know my sister was working in recruitment at the Defence Signals Directorate.

  34. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Was he a national socialist?

    No, merely a “social conservative”.

  35. Colonel Bunty Golightly

    A Trojan horse to divert attention away from the real terrorists. Wonder where they train?

  36. candy

    Inspecting weapons and training makes it sound like there is an army of Nazis somewhere waiting to pounce.

    Look, if that’s the case where’s the evidence, where’s the arrests, where are these people who are proposing violence and why can’t ASIO stop them now and they be arrested before it’s too late?

  37. cuckoo

    I feel so much better knowing that this guy is protecting me from Mr. Hilter and Mr. Bimmler at the boarding house. Not much fun in Stalingrad…no….

  38. Cynic of Ayr

    All these horrible Nazi’s in our midst.
    We must keep an eye on them.
    Give us more money! We need more money. The money we have isn’t enough. Our office chairs are 12 months old! Our cars have 5000 Ks on them. We need more money for “Staff Moral”
    More money!
    We can do so much more with more money. We can double the nothing we do now.

  39. mh

    I’m sure another Downfall episode is in the pipeline.

  40. Twostix

    Nobody is asking the question about how on ASIO’s watch an actual major foreign government has infiltrated its people into our society from top to bottom.

    The literl thing a spy agency exists to stop.

    They’ve played the media like a harp.

  41. Twostix

    Also I still don’t have a good answer.as to when and why ASIO became a secret police tasked with spying on Australians in their living rooms.

  42. Blair

    “n suburbs around Australia, small cells regularly meet to salute Nazi flags, inspect weapons, train in combat and share their hateful ideology.”
    Next they’ll invade Tasmania.

  43. jo

    Obviously not watching Chicoms, Aldi bags or ALP as none of these are a detriment to Australia.

  44. nb

    Well, it is probably true that socialist extremism is becoming a problem. Just look at who the socialists defend, and who they send out to enforce their socialist/communist green agenda.

  45. stackja

    ASIO was created to stop the KGB spying on Australia. Recently ASIO seems to have looked elsewhere for problems. State police seem to have a problem with youth gangs. MSM not helping.

  46. candy

    Also I still don’t have a good answer.as to when and why ASIO became a secret police tasked with spying on Australians in their living rooms.

    But how do they spy on what people do at home, let alone it being illegal to spy on citizens.
    Perhaps they rely on the odd phone call from a malicious type person who does not like their neighbour or had a falling out with a relative because their neighbour or relative likes Trump. So they ring up the ASIO line and say my neighbour or so and so dresses like a Nazi and does the H… salute thing.

  47. stackja

    ASIO did have phone tap powers.
    KGB knew, so little said on phone.
    I have an open mind on the need for a ASIO. I don’t believe the present DG knows what to do about any possible threat to Australia. He sees right and not left.

  48. duncanm

    regularly meet to salute Nazi flags, inspect weapons, train in combat and share their hateful ideology

    any one of those things a crime ?

    No.. didn’t think so.

  49. RobK

    Are we talking about this ASIO:

    Classified blueprints of the new ASIO headquarters in Canberra have been stolen in a cyber hit believed to have been mounted by hackers in China.
    The stolen blueprints included the building’s security and communications systems, its floor plan, and its server locations.

    Experts say the theft exposes the spy agency to being spied upon and may be a reason why construction costs have blown out enormously.

    Four Corners said the attack came from a server in China, which appears to be the main suspect behind the operation.


    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-27/asio-blueprints-stolen-in-major-hacking-operation/4715960?nw=0&pfmredir=sm

  50. Leo G

    Perhaps Mike should order the Nazi flag salute be dropped from local area unit meetings.

  51. Leo G

    Btw, the image claimed to be of Neo-Nazis burning a swastika in the US state of Georgia must be a composite image. The crowd appears illuminated from a point to the right of the image despite where the individuals are standing with respect to the burning swastika.

  52. yarpos

    Are any of those activities actually criminal in anyway and worthy of comment by a national security organisation? (assuming weapons are legal or licenced if need be)

    This guy either seems to have lost his sense of perspective or thinks he just has to feed the lefty tosser side of audience with something they want to hear. If he wants to monitor people discussing hateful ideologies perhaps he could send Boris and Natasha to monitor the clowns at Extinction Rebellion or the more extreme animal rights crowds?

    That should be enough to get me on a list.

  53. Whalehunt fun

    We clearly need a better class of Nazis. The islamic terrorist in Australia have gone over to the middle east and killed scores if not hundreds of people and yet according to this loon, they are so few as to be not worth mentioning. Meanwhile the masses of Nazis have not harmed a single person, not even told anyone else any racist jikes

  54. Whalehunt fun

    As to getting on the list I tweeted the word gun a few score times and somehow Twitter did not harrass me. What has a guy got to do to get a profile. I could post a selfie with my jowels and multiple chins but that wpuld be just plain awful.

  55. Des Deskperson

    To be fair to Burgess, he makes this point right up front in his speech:

    ‘Violent Islamic extremism of the type embodied by the Islamic State and al’Qaida and their off-shoots will remain our principal concern.’

    Presumably he wants to, or been told to, bang on about Nazis in order to appear balanced.

    Unlike previous recent Directors who have been diplomats (primarily) or military, Burgess is some sort of techie.

  56. Des Deskperson

    In moderation: I’ll try again:

    To be fair to Burgess, he makes this point right up front in his speech:

    ‘Violent I….c extremism of the type embodied by the I….c State and al’Qaida and their off-shoots will remain our principal concern.’

    Presumably he wants to, or been told to, bang on about Nazis in order to appear balanced.

    Unlike previous recent Directors who have been diplomats (primarily) or military, Burgess is some sort of techie.

  57. Lee

    The old “reds under the bed” claims had far more validity.

    I take far-left wing extremists far more seriously as a threat to Australia, as shown by their frequent public demonstrations in recent years, including against peaceful marches (e.g. pro-life groups).

  58. Clam Chowdah

    I think, considering the White supremacist shooting in New Zealand, we need to take it seriously. Even if it is overshadowed by the religion of peace.

  59. mh

    The ABC headline is

    Neo-Nazis among Australia’s most challenging security threats, ASIO boss Mike Burgess warns

    I read that drivel at their ABC, and although Burgess is clearly out of his depth, I can’t see how the headline is justified from looking at the article. Or does he say it in the video? I’m not using my mobile data up on the ABC.

  60. jupes

    I read that drivel at their ABC, and although Burgess is clearly out of his depth,

    After the appalling Duncan Lewis you would think that it wouldn’t be too hard to replace him with someone who is capable and can focus on his actual job of protecting Australia.

    But no, we get this clown looking for Nazis saluting flags in their lounge room. FMD you couldn’t make this shit up.

  61. Ubique

    We should be wary of the hordes of dedicated socialists that infest Canberra and inner city Australia, rather than worrying too much about the extremely rare national socialist variety.

  62. Tim Neilson

    But no, we get this clown looking for Nazis saluting flags in their lounge room. FMD you couldn’t make this shit up.

    Attach a couple of wires to Sir Charles Spry spinning in his grave and we could restore energy reliability to the grid.

  63. Professor Fred Lenin

    If he offends National Socialists he wont get much kickback they are as rare as hens teeth ,but if he offends globalist socialist fascists or islamofascists he will be trampled by the huge herd that live here. Maybe hes keeping the real truth hidden ,thats what spies do isnt it ? Obfuscation ,and musinformation go with the job .

  64. Squirrel

    Good to know that ASIO will be keeping an eye on scary dentists.

    More seriously, we could give Burgess the benefit of the doubt, and allow that he’s actually done a neat job of calming (even if only for the time being), the howler monkeys would would otherwise be making his real job more difficult.

  65. Crossie

    When Antifa and XR infest the streets, Chicoms openly interfere with our polity and certain religions of tolerance actively promote the destruction of our civilisation, all these “protectors” see are “Nazis” everywhere.

    Because it’s safe and politically desirable to do so. If they point the finger accurately they might find themselves targets of those groups. Just look at our decorated soldiers, they have to be anonymous to protect them and their families from certain groups in our midst and I would bet it’s not the nazis.

  66. Crossie

    More seriously, we could give Burgess the benefit of the doubt, and allow that he’s actually done a neat job of calming (even if only for the time being), the howler monkeys would would otherwise be making his real job more difficult.

    Squirrel, what is maddening is that the majority population is at the mercy of the howler monkeys.

  67. Crossie

    Des Deskperson
    #3335654, posted on February 26, 2020 at 4:17 pm
    To be fair to Burgess, he makes this point right up front in his speech:

    ‘Violent Islamic extremism of the type embodied by the Islamic State and al’Qaida and their off-shoots will remain our principal concern.’

    Presumably he wants to, or been told to, bang on about Nazis in order to appear balanced.

    Or to give journalists a harmless hook on which to hang their reports.

  68. Clam Chowdah

    But no, we get this clown looking for Nazis saluting flags in their lounge room. FMD you couldn’t make this shit up.

    Yeah and Christchurch never happened.

    FMD is right, bro. Some of you need to grow up and accept that right wing violence is an issue.

  69. Tel

    The Christchurch shooter was a self admitted “eco-fascist” … in other words a misanthropist Greenie who blames humanity for even existing and wants to depopulate the Earth. Might as well be a member of the Greens party and saving us from Global Warming. That’s as leftist as you can get.

  70. Chris M

    I think, considering the White supremacist shooting in New Zealand, we need to take it seriously.

    Mate that nutter in new Zealand wasn’t a white supremacist at all, that was just a media fabrication. If you managed to read some of his rantings before they were banned you would see he spent time in Pakistan and enjoyed the people there etc. He was a violent extreme leftist lunatic according to himself.

  71. Lee

    Little wonder Jacinta Ardern didn’t want anyone looking into his manifesto or (evil) motivations.

  72. Louis Litt

    Clam Chowdah- the Christchurch massacre was done by a Maoist.

    Consider you have been Litt,,,

  73. mh

    FMD is right, bro. Some of you need to grow up and accept that right wing violence is an issue

    Iampeter, please explain ‘right wing’ to Clam Chowdah.

    Thanks, mate.

  74. Clam Chowdah

    Tarrant was heavily influenced by the alt.right (4chan, 8chan) and by the dissident right concept of the “great replacement”, per dubious sites like VDare and the Unz review.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/16/christchurch-shooters-links-to-austrian-far-right-more-extensive-than-thought

    It’s also true that his manifesto contains a lot of counter factual references which likely were merely intended to provoke more conflict. But at his core he was a loser whose motive was fear of his white cultural origins being replaced by Muslims etc.

    I don’t know why people here would resist investigation of right wing shit bags (even though it is a lesser problem than Islamic shit bags) unless they fear being tarred with the extremist brush. That may well be a problem, as the left do love to mischaracterise people who are centre right and slur them as hard right.

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