The Upper-Cut House Bashes Bettina Arndt

ITS decision to support a Labor motion in the Senate condemning Bettina Arndt and declaring her unfit to keep her Order of Australia bauble is yet another pathetic low for the Liberal Party. The Morrison government’s men, in particular, disgraced themselves yesterday as craven, emasculated pansies. They make Christopher Pyne look like Tyson Fury. Labor optics jockeys tapped Penny Wong and Kristina Keneally to introduce the Arndt motion, of course, so as to avoid the impression the men’s rights advocate herself was to be the target of something akin to domestic violence. That the mob was led by two women makes no difference whatsoever. They still beat her up. Ironically, one of only two senators who opposed the motion was Pauline Hanson. She’s seen these torch-lit heretic hunters on the march before and she has the scars to prove it. Over the past seven days we’ve been told that abuse of women is not just physical but can be emotional or “controlling.” Well, what we saw in the Senate yesterday was a cowardly, perverse pack attack on a lone woman. The goal was humiliation, disempowerment, control and emotional terror. As for “stripping” undeserving people of awards, if the Senate wants to be taken seriously maybe it could pass another motion relating to one of its former members:

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76 Responses to The Upper-Cut House Bashes Bettina Arndt

  1. a happy little debunker

    It was a mistake for Bettina to be awarded an AO for her work in gender equality (focusing on men’s rights) because clearly the overwhelming majority of our political class do not believe such rights should exist.

  2. miltonf

    yet another pathetic low for the Liberal Party

    and the National Party e.g. Caravan?

  3. Roger

    if the Senate wants to be taken seriously maybe it could pass another motion relating to one of its former members:

    Ha! Good call, CL.

  4. Titch

    The comment she made has been blown out of all proportion, as she knows that the police are in the difficult position of coping with the tragedy first hand, but are bound by law to be even handed at all times. The policeman in charge made a general statement, along the lines that perhaps he was pushed too far. There was the instant charge that he was blaming the victim, by the luvvie mobs.
    I heard him say it, and my first thought it may be some mental health problem, inner demons or drugs, that led to the behaviour. Not that if made it any less horrific, but there was no allowance for this aspect for one moment by the screaming mob.
    Interesting that they don’t react the same way when a muslim man, the same week in the same state of Australia, went out with knives to attack and kill people. Oh, that’s because he has mental health problems, nothing to see here.

  5. Herodotus

    Whatever Wong and Keneally say is usually wrong, prejudiced, opportunistic and unworthy of their position as Senators.

  6. The Australian Liberal Party is rapidly becoming the equivalent of the US Democrat Party ie Liberals.

  7. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    “Congratulations to the Queensland police for keeping an open mind and awaiting proper evidence, including the possibility that Rowan Baxter might have been ‘driven too far.’”
    This is what Arndt tweeted after a woman and her kids were burned alive by petrol tossed on them by her husband. The woman had left him and was actually driving away to avoid him.
    Why would Arndt post such a statement? Why is anyone defending her?
    This is utterly damnable behaviour.

  8. Judge Dredd

    I don’t expect much from the Liberal party. Like all politics across the western world both sides are going backwards. The only answer will be new parties coming to the fore that have more stringent positions as things get worse. You only have to see places like Italy and even Germany to see where politics is going (more nationalist, more hardened, more polarization).
    The quicker it gets there the better as it’s then more likely to avoid bloodshed.

  9. Lee

    It was a mistake for Bettina to be awarded an AO for her work in gender equality (focusing on men’s rights) because clearly the overwhelming majority of our political class do not believe such rights should exist.

    Never let it be forgotten that it was more or less the same senate/parliament which – to its everlasting shame and on both sides of politics – excoriated Pauline Hanson when she put forward the motion that “white lives matter.”

    Not being black, of course we don’t matter, and it’s racist to suggest otherwise! (/sarc off)

  10. Rockdoctor

    Googled Labor Party members convicted of crimes, wikipedia result that covers all crimes of politicians missing Bob Collins, funny that. Hate to be a cynic but wonder who else just vanished.

    Bob’s personal wiki entry is buried well down in google as well, this is off the radar below some 40yo actor from the NT…

    The below quote sums up ALP hypocrisy in the fact this guy still hangs in portrait form in the NT Parliament: “A portrait of Bob Collins is hung in the Parliament House of the Northern Territory along with all former Leaders of the Opposition. Country Liberal MLA John Elferink drew attention to this in June 2009, as he felt the portrait’s presence was inappropriate due to the child abuse allegations against Bob Collins.[23] In response to the request Speaker Jane Aagaard announced in October 2009 that after review the House Committee had decided the portrait was an historical record and would remain.[24]”

  11. Roger

    This is utterly damnable behaviour.

    No. Burning his wife & kids alive was damnable behaviour.

    Seeking to understand why he did it – while not the police’s job – could prevent it happening again.

    Arndt is only guilty of phrasing her concern poorly.

  12. Tel

    Never let it be forgotten that it was more or less the same senate/parliament which – to its everlasting shame and on both sides of politics – excoriated Pauline Hanson when she put forward the motion that “white lives matter.”

    Not even that much, she merely said, “It’s OK to be white”.

    Not that you matter or anything important like that, only that your existence could be considered acceptable. That’s all she tried to say.

  13. amortiser

    This is an email I sent to all coalition senators:

    I note that the Liberal and National party senators voted to condemn the comments of Bettina Arndt in relation to the brutal murders of a wife and 3 children in Queensland.

    In addition, the policeman in charge of investigating the case was removed after he stated he had an open mind as to what drove the killer to his vile act.

    What is going on here?

    Should we not be seeking answers as to why such tragedies occur, what motivates people to commit such heinous crimes? This is what Arndt and the policeman were expressing yet they are now outcasts, a position supported by you and your senate colleagues.

    The leftists on the ABC were only too willing to join or even instigate the pile on, yet what was their reaction to an even worse incident just over 2 years ago. An indigenous woman in Cairns murdered her 7 children and a niece with a knife. The ABC ran a story:

    Cairns children killings: What drove Raina Thaiday to slay eight kids?

    Now I maybe a bit thick but if I substituted Thaiday for Baxter, what would be the difference?

    Answer: Baxter has a Y chromosome and Thaiday doesn’t.

    I am staggered that the Liberal/Nationals have fallen for this rubbish. People seeking the truth are pilloried for doing so.

    As parliamentarians you should be seekers of the truth. It’s sad to see they you and your colleagues are happy to see those who seek the truth be crucified.

    I Look forward to your response.

    PS: I see that all charges of domestic violence against football player Josh Reynolds have been dropped. Here was an attempt to destroy the character and career of this young man. The complainant was telling lies and concocting a story. There should be serious consequences for this sort of behaviour. If there are none, lawmakers like you should be taking action to ensure such attempts to pervert the course of justice are properly dealt with.

  14. a happy little debunker

    Congratulations to the Queensland police for keeping an open mind and awaiting proper evidence, including the possibility that Rowan Baxter might have been ‘driven too far’.

    Why would Arndt post such a statement? Why is anyone defending her?
    This is utterly damnable behaviour

    God forbid police should not keep an ‘open mind’ and await ‘proper evidence’ before assigning blame to as yet uncovered circumstances – you certainly haven’t.

  15. Rockdoctor

    Not that I agree with these legal tools but I don’t know why a suppression order (if possible in Queensland, can confirm NSW, Vic & WA Coroners can) hasn’t been placed down on the Baxter case by the coroner. This drip feed of evidence to hyperventilating journalists is ridiculous. IMO the horse has already bolted with there being a dispassionate inquiry of the events. Was about to mention Thiaday too till I just hit refresh.

  16. candy

    I think Ms Arndt took the award seriously and wanted to genuinely understand and help what is going wrong in these terrible custody/domestic violent situations. There are lots of issues, not just being “driven to it”, or a male simply being violent. Drugs, family pressure, finance, and mostly lack of mental health services.

    She worded the tweet poorly, though. There’s no getting away from that. I think the Libs should have looked deeper – Ms Arndt genuinely wanted to help and explore these dreadful situations. But that would be too risky for them, poll-wise etc, after the bushfire holiday in Hawaii scenario.

    They had to crush her, to make sure their polling doesn’t suffer, so would not offer guidance or resolution.

  17. Ed Case

    Raina Thaiday was found to be unfit to plead iirc, but I don’t remember any Coroners hearing into the 8 deaths in Cairns
    Down the memory hole?

  18. Nob

    “Wording a tweet poorly” is a worse crime than child abuse?

  19. Lee

    The leftists on the ABC were only too willing to join or even instigate the pile on, yet what was their reaction to an even worse incident just over 2 years ago. An indigenous woman in Cairns murdered her 7 children and a niece with a knife. The ABC ran a story:

    Cairns children killings: What drove Raina Thaiday to slay eight kids?

    The ABC – hypocrites of the First Order?

    Say it ain’t so!

    This reminds me of the time a few years ago, when Sky News were slammed for interviewing Blair Cottrell, an right-wing extremist, and even taken off the air at Victorian railway stations by Daniel Andrews.

    Of course, when the ABC interviewed him, crickets!

    (By the way, I in no way endorse or support Cottrell or his views, I am just pointing out the double standards of the left.)

  20. Helen

    Roger and others seem to miss the point. There is simply nothing at all a wife and kids could possibly do to “drive” a man to pour petrol on them and burn them to death. Nothing at all. To suggest that police might have that notion to explore is to offer an excuse for evil. There is none. Arndt deserves no excuses either. In fact she appears to have be seeking a dubious celebrity with a vile, odious brand message.

  21. Lee

    That should be: and even taken off the air at Victorian railway stations by Daniel Andrews as a result.

  22. Crossie

    Not even that much, she merely said, “It’s OK to be white”.

    Not that you matter or anything important like that, only that your existence could be considered acceptable. That’s all she tried to say.

    What is odd here is that the white elites, of whom there are more than of other colours and ethnicities, don’t think this means them. They seem to suggest that being so high above the rest of us their skin colour doesn’t matter. The whites kin this context seems to apply only to the working class and welfare recipients class in which case it is safe to denigrate and demonise them.

    After all, what are they going to do about it? The working class and their children are too busy earning a living, it’s the children of the rich and comfortable who have the leisure to protest and cause a fuss.

  23. Crossie

    It pays to proof read before hitting Post Comment, one sentence in the above comment should start with these words:

    The whites in this context …

  24. Cassie of Sydney

    “Lee
    #3335870, posted on February 26, 2020 at 7:56 pm

    (By the way, I in no way endorse or support Cottrell or his views, I am just pointing out the double standards of the left.)

    Lee…the only reason the left get away with their never ending hypocrisy and double standards is because the right in this country is full of supine wimps….as evidenced yesterday by that disgraceful motion in the senate and with the LNP supporting the motion by those two frauds…..Keneally and Wong….and as evidenced by weak and pathetic conservative media commentators such as Credlin and Blot who also happily joined in the media pile on of Arndt. The only significant right of centre media figure who came to Bettina’s defense was Alan Jones on Sky last night…good on him…but you see…he also knows what it is like to endure a progressive and leftist media pile on.

    When you start to throw the rocks back at progressives and leftists…the scales tip But sadly we have very few people in this country who will do it… you can count them on one hand….Mark Latham, Alan Jones, Pauline Hanson….that’s about it.

  25. dover_beach

    Cairns children killings: What drove Raina Thaiday to slay eight kids?

    We must strip the ABC of all funding!

  26. Lee

    Lee…the only reason the left get away with their never ending hypocrisy and double standards is because the right in this country is full of supine wimps….

    I couldn’t agree with you more, Cassie.

    Scott Morrison in particular folds up like a house of cards when under attack (e.g. Hawaii holidays and climate change), or worried about the possible public reaction to something.

    I have a lot more admiration for those who don’t join in the pile-on these days, or who defend the person being piled-on, than the bullies and holier-than-thou types.

    It’s very far from easy to stand up for someone who has been targeted by such types. And you can be tarred as guilty by association, even if you don’t know the person.

    The days of “I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it” are sadly long gone.

  27. Tel

    What is odd here is that the white elites, of whom there are more than of other colours and ethnicities, don’t think this means them.

    Because nothing they do ever applies to them.

    I’m not a huge fan of Nassim Taleb but his “Skin in the Game” concept is an old idea, revived once more at exactly the time when it’s needed most. We really are oppressed by a class of people who interfere with the lives as others but stay totally immune to the outcomes.

  28. Fair Shake of the Sauce Bottle

    I remember about 12 years ago, Arndt published a book on men’s rights, challenges ..,
    She went on the ABC to discuss the book. Interviewer had lined up some feminist bint and allowed the filth to rant on about Arndt encouraging rape. It was possibly the most disgraceful stitch up I had ever seen.
    From that moment I stopped watching their ABC and not long after found the Cats. The feministas have Arndt targeted. There is no way they will allow an AO remain bestowed on her. The hate runs deep.

  29. Cassie of Sydney

    “There is no way they will allow an AO remain bestowed on her. The hate runs deep.”

    Well if it is taken away from Arndt (which it won’t be…the precedent would be bad…very bad)…then it is time the right in this country went to war…..target Jane Carosene and Paul Bungjourno. The list is long.

  30. a happy little debunker

    There is simply nothing at all a wife and kids could possibly do to “drive” a man to pour petrol on them and burn them to death

    But apparently there are lots of reasons that could ‘drive’ a mother to such an outcome (at a rate of 1.5:1).

    It is almost as if men are not supposed to feel anything, but a financial obligation.

  31. Tim Neilson

    This is utterly damnable behaviour.

    Are you trying for the Cant-ridden Hyperventilator of the Year award?

    She expressed an opinion on social media FFS.

  32. Tim Neilson

    This is utterly damnable behaviour.

    Are you trying for the Cant-ridden Hyperventilator of the Year award?

    She expressed an opinion on social media FFS.

  33. Zaan

    I am a fan of Bettina, but that was a despicable comment.
    Nothing can ‘drive’ someone to do that to their children, nothing.
    No excuses people

  34. Tel

    Nothing can ‘drive’ someone to do that to their children, nothing.
    No excuses people

    Are you suggesting that individuals should be held responsible for their own actions?

    Let’s hear the Australian Senate declare that as a principle … unless they say it I won’t believe it.

  35. Professor Fred Lenin

    The policeman was making an entirely neutral comment in the police tradition , police are there to aprehend accused and find all the contributing evidence to the alleged crime they are not there to judge ,that is for the courts .

  36. Steve

    To be blunt, people are giving the PC mob to much.

    Who died and made them king ( or queen..or whatever…)

    Ive started pushing back on PC and people are now mocking it openly.

    The PC crowd have lost, the rebellion has begun….

    What happened with Bettina Arndt is shameful – those involved need to have a large yellow stripe painted down their backs…..lack of courage under “fire”….

  37. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    One can be ‘driven’ by mental illness as much as by any external forces, Helen. People have read far too much into the words, perhaps not the best given the context’ that Bettina Arndt used. I support Bettina Arndt fully and unreservedly in her quest to bring a more measured perspective to these issues of violence that,are associated with family breakdown.

    I am a very educated, literate and thoughtful conservative woman but I think I have just been turned into Pauline Hanson supporter, something so far I have been trying to avoid.This Senatorial pile on towards Arndt has been brutal, unwarranted and morally disgusting.

  38. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am on my phone so some of those commas are misplaced.

  39. Archivist

    In 2017, the ABC asked the exact same question as Bettina Arndt.

  40. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    My husband has just agreed totally with my comment, which I have just read out to him
    The Libs have run with the rats, he says, and once you have run with the rats you become one with them. He too, with his PhD in Science in hand, is also turning towards the fish and chip lady. I doubt we are both on our lonesome in this. Sad, but true. No-one else has the guts to speak the truth.

  41. Cassie of Sydney

    Lizzie…..agree with everything you have written.

  42. mundi

    We have all deep inside known this for years. The liberals are a left wing party. They are just the best of the left.

    Just look around Australia under the liberal government. Its a disaster. Government involvement in everything everywhere, making us poorer every day. Yet we have to keep voting for them to avoid a tidal wave.

  43. Mitch M.

    People have read far too much into the words, perhaps not the best given the context’ that Bettina Arndt used. I support Bettina Arndt fully and unreservedly in her quest to bring a more measured perspective to these issues of violence that,are associated with family breakdown.

    If people have read far too much into it that is because she used a colloquial expression which requires inferring the meaning. If public figures are going to make statements about such horrendous events perhaps they should choose their words more carefully.

    In this instance I don’t support Arndt because it is a classic case of “too soon” and all she has done is pulled out of thin air some vague speculation that is worded in such a careless manager as to allow others to interpret it in so many ways. In the very least before opening her gob she should have found some evidence to support her speculation but instead her purpose was push her own agenda with fuzzy language and unsubstantiated speculation.

    I’m annoyed with her because she was providing a powerful corrective to recent dangerous trends like MeToo but she has shot herself in the foot thereby allowing the nutters greater rhetorical leverage.

  44. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Nothing wrong with fish and chip shop ladies, btw, and Pauline has certainly learned a lot over the years. But why are there so few other people, more articulate perhaps, who can stand up to the antics of the left rather than being taken in by them?

  45. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Mitch M, and the feminists immediately demanding more funding for ‘women’s’ causes and slinging off at all men weren’t speculating too? Everyone was horrified and wanted to express concern. That is all Arndt was doing too – looking for ways to comprehend such evil acts.

  46. Mitch M.

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3336062, posted on February 26, 2020 at 10:20 pm
    Nothing wrong with fish and chip shop ladies, btw, and Pauline has certainly learned a lot over the years. But why are there so few other people, more articulate perhaps, who can stand up to the antics of the left rather than being taken in by them?

    Liz I think there are people who can do that but they have better things to do. Besides there is a risk that Twain touched on:

    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain.

    The problem is perhaps more like what happens in totalitarian cultures: those who control the means of information dissemination control the narrative. The one sign of hope I see is that people are becoming fed up with wokery, it may be popular with the press and some corporations but my impression(remember I’m a very private person so highly selective sample) is that Joe and Jane public are quietly rebelling against the prevailing narrative.

  47. Ed Case

    Helen said

    There is simply nothing at all a wife and kids could possibly do to “drive” a man to pour petrol on them and burn them to death.

    No one knows the circumstances Helen. Thats what the policeman was trying to say, the journalists were wanting him to make some Judge Dredd type commentsand he would not oblige them.
    All I read was the paper and from memory no one saw what happened, the vehicle was already alight when people came out of their houses in response to the explosion.
    What we do know is that Rowan Baxter had the full weight of the State come down on him like a ton of bricks and for all we know he had done nothing wrong to anyone.
    If he had ever even had a traffic fine against his name we would know about it by now.

  48. Mitch M.

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3336068, posted on February 26, 2020 at 10:26 pm
    Mitch M, and the feminists immediately demanding more funding for ‘women’s’ causes and slinging off at all men weren’t speculating too? Everyone was horrified and wanted to express concern. That is all Arndt was doing too – looking for ways to comprehend such evil acts.

    So emulating the feminists is the way to go? Nope. Arndt was not looking for ways to comprehend the events. If that were true she wouldn’t be making off the cuff comments that mirrored her current arguments. She was making a rhetorical point not an analytical point, hence my earlier reference that she should have found some supporting information for her “driven too far” speculations.

  49. Lee

    A guy I knew many years ago was as far left wing as you can go without being a communist, but he disdained Pauline Hanson as “just fish and chip shop owner.”

    There is no snob like a leftist snob with his contempt for the business and working class and the hoi polloi.

  50. Lazlo

    Mitch M,

    Twain also said:

    If you don’t read the newspaper you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.

    That was the 19th Century. Orwell said that he learned early that the press were not telling the truth.

    Plus Ca change..

  51. Megan

    So, if nothing drove him to commit this heinous act as so many virtuous commenters have said, then it follows that there is nothing that any one or any thing can do to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Except de-platform the very people who are saying we need to try and understand how it got to that point.

    That will be really helpful in preventing further atrocities that are already illegal acts by both, or all, genders. Simplistic bullshit that will not solve a complex and complicated problem.

  52. Mitch M.

    So, if nothing drove him to commit this heinous act as so many virtuous commenters have said, then it follows that there is nothing that any one or any thing can do to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Except de-platform the very people who are saying we need to try and understand how it got to that point.

    Obviously there are causes for his behavior and obviously those causes are not going to be determined by people who don’t have access to all the relevant information. If you really want to understand acts like this the press is near useless and so are people like Arndt. She’s a polemicist not an psychoanalyst. A good starting point would be to look at his family history, his developmental environment, medical history(especially head injuries) and then to look at the potential proximate causes of his behavior. Whatever he has been through in relation to his present circumstances is in all likelihood no different to the stresses that millions of people experience and do not go postal. Trying to attribute the cause of his behavior to simplistic tropes like “driven too far” is facile and stupid.

  53. Porter

    Helen
    #3335871, posted on February 26, 2020 at 7:56 pm

    We have incitement to violence laws for a reason, Helen. And anti-bullying programs at schools.
    Nothing justifies killing a person. But that the fact is we are all human and all have breaking points. That doesn’t absolve the killer. It just means we look into the circumstances that led them to kill. No normal person wakes up one day and says I think I will kill me my wife and kids today so it is important to investigate aggravating factors in case that can help prevent repeats by others.

  54. Porter

    The Governor-General’s office confirmed it had referred a complaint from Victorian state Liberal MP Tim Smith, who argued she should be stripped of her award, to the independent board that oversees the honours.

    And

    Victoria’s Attorney-General Jill Hennessy wrote to Governor-General David Hurley to ask him to consider revoking Ms Arndt’s award shortly after it was announced.

  55. Porter

    Trying to attribute the cause of his behavior to simplistic tropes like “driven too far” is facile and stupid.

    No more facile and stupid than you misrepresenting what she said, and no more facile and stupid than you expecting her to psychoanalyse someone she’s never met in 128 characters (she has never claimed to be a psychoanalyst) and no more facile and stupid then your inane link dumps on this blog, pretending to be some sort of science expert.

  56. The BigBlueCat

    A good starting point would be to look at his family history, his developmental environment, medical history (especially head injuries) and then to look at the potential proximate causes of his behaviour. Whatever he has been through in relation to his present circumstances is in all likelihood no different to the stresses that millions of people experience and do not go postal. Trying to attribute the cause of his behaviour to simplistic tropes like “driven too far” is facile and stupid.

    The “driven too far” phrase has been interpreted by those wanting to take offence as “blame the victims”. But it’s not, is it? It’s a short phrase that seeks to determine the factors that brought Baxter to the point where he felt his only option was to kill his family and himself. As you have pointed out.

    I get it that people don’t like Arndt. But to pick on her for using the same words as Thompson (who also used them in the context of wanting to investigate fully in accordance with the direction from the Coroner) is what is facile and stupid. The woke left are (according to them) mind readers …. they know what was really meant. Just ask them!

  57. Megan

    Driven too far is simply a short phrase, in common use for centuries, that stands in for the complicated and complex issues underlying an inexplicable event. That is neither facile not stupid, simply common usage.

    To turn it into an OMG Burn the Witch Moment says far more about the brain dead morons screaming for blood than it does about Bettina Arndt or the Detective Sergeant stood down from the investigation. And to think we have moved on from stocks in the public square and pelting them with rotten vegetables! Lord of the Flies is never far from the surface of so called sophisticated societies.

  58. Cassie of Sydney

    “Lord of the Flies is never far from the surface of so called sophisticated societies.”

    Megan…I think we are now living in it.

  59. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Driven too far is simply a short phrase, in common use for centuries, that stands in for the complicated and complex issues underlying an inexplicable event. That is neither facile not stupid, simply common usage.

    Well said, Megan.

  60. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I get it that people don’t like Arndt

    I’ve met her at an IPA function. She’s a very nice person, her photos generally don’t do her justice, and she has a very warm personality. Those who dislike her simply dislike her ability to stand up for equality under the law.

  61. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    She was making a rhetorical point not an analytical point, hence my earlier reference that she should have found some supporting information for her “driven too far” speculations.

    The only points that could be made were of a rhetorical nature, Mitch. As pointed out by Porter above, had Arndt gone for ‘supporting information’ she would have been even more at risk of hatred and a pile on, were that possible. Pointing out that no-one knows what impels some people to murder but implying that it might be useful to find out would once have been seen as fair comment; not these ‘woke’ days though.

    It’s a thought crime to disagree with the zeitgeist. Not even a hint of freedom to speak exists.
    Cancelled! No award. No further platform for speaking. Off to the gulag next.

  62. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    But why are there so few other people, more articulate perhaps, who can stand up to the antics of the left rather than being taken in by them?

    Liz I think there are people who can do that but they have better things to do.

    The point is, Mitch, that apparently they don’t have better things to do. They are acting like you are here, well intentioned but rather blind to the real issues. It’s clear from your response to me that you join with those who claim to be ‘against the left’ but who refuse to see that Hanson, albeit inarticulate, is nevertheless realistic about ‘wokeness’. I have to say that imho you are refusing to recognize the wooly stuff before your eyes. It is tragic how so many these days feel they have to jump on-board the ‘woke’ interpretations of the world. The Arndt pile-on is a major example of this sort of groupthink.

  63. Mitch M.

    As pointed out by Porter above, had Arndt gone for ‘supporting information’ she would have been even more at risk of hatred and a pile on, were that possible.

    Arndt’s big mistake was to think “driven too far” constitutes a starting point. She should have chosen her words more carefully and called for a program to understand why these events occur in general instead of suggesting a cause for this particular event. We know such extreme behaviors are not going to be understood by reference to just proximate causes. Being a psych0logist Arndt should know this better than most. Hence my comment that the speculative explanation “driven too far” is pop psychology. She was wrong to make the comment, she should have shut the F up because good psychologists know better than to think that so soon after an event we can begin to examine possible causes. Her motivation was to advance a legitimate counter argument to wokery but her tactics were shockingly misguided.

    Pointing out that no-one knows what impels some people to murder but implying that it might be useful to find out would once have been seen as fair comment; not these ‘woke’ days though.

    That’s not true. Plenty of people, even on The Drum, are calling for a more serious investigation into why these events occur. The problem though is that even if we do understand a single case it does offer much hope for preventing future tragedies. That is a common problem in psychiatry because understanding prior cases, even in psychiatric conditions, does not provide that much useful information for predicting future occurrences. If you want an argument for free will consider the unpredictability of human behavior.

  64. Megan

    So now, because we make a mistake of language use in public, we have to be severely punished. Given failure is perpetually touted as essential to learning we seem to be experiencing some cognitive dissonance

  65. Megan

    And I totally agree with the point you make Mitch M., that this one incident will provide any clear reason or preventative solution to a terror atrocity whether it is the annihilation of your family or running over strangers in Bourke St. Control is an illusion and there will always be those amongst us who are bringers of chaos. And pretty much always, they look just like us.

  66. dover_beach

    Arndt simply used the same words of the Detective Inspector in a tweet replying to his statement IIRC.

  67. Porter

    Dear god, Mitch, get over yourself. Who made you the arbiter of what people can or can’t say and what is correctly chosen or otherwise? You are behaving exactly like the cancel crowd. Just like a frigging, graceless, virtue signalling bully boy.

    I am sure there have been millions of situations in your life where you have not chosen your words correctly and there are already examples on this tread. The thing is, people are mature enough to ignore that and extend you the benefit of the doubt because they recognise people are human (duh!) and can’t please everyone. Pity you can’t reciprocate.

  68. I’m still completely at a loss as to what she said that has caused so much uproar. I must be autistic.

    Anyhoo, regardless this act by the Libs plums new depths. From now on anyone supporting, donating to or speaking in any way positively of that stinking, rotten, pile of festering pissants and cowards will be spat on and kicked in the nuts. The Liberal Party are now such a bunch of faggots they should be leading Mardi Gras on a giant float made of blue jelly. Utterly useless, weak, chicken shit, bunch of pansies, sellouts and traitors.

    Just as a reminder, this motion was brought by Kenneally who last year incited violence against Raheem Kassam, tried to have him barred from entering the country and targeted the people attending CPAC then used the deep state to harass Abbott (couldn’t care less since he’s a fucking pansy) and Andrew Cooper. The Libs did nothing, NOTHING, NOOOOOTHHHINNNNNNGGGGG about that, allowing the vile slag to get away with inciting violence – which happened, one arrest and shit loads of police – and the Libs couldn’t even say boo to the bimbo.

    But they support a Censure Motion against someone who isn’t even in Parliament over some words in a Tweet. That’s the modern Liberal Party for you.

    Anyone who supports or votes for these utter cretins deserves ass cancer.

  69. dover_beach

    Here, BTW, is Arndt’s tweet:

    Congratulations to the Queensland police for keeping an open mind and awaiting proper evidence, including the possibility that Rowan Baxter might have been “driven too far.” But note the misplaced outrage. How dare police deviate from the feminist script of seeking excuses and explanations when women stab their partners to death, or drive their children into dams but immediately judging a man in these circumstances as simply representing the evil violence that is in all men.

  70. notafan

    Arndt’s comments are perfectly reasonable.

  71. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mr Rusty
    #3336641, posted on February 27, 2020 at 1:50 pm”

    Bravo.

  72. Cassie of Sydney

    “notafan
    #3336659, posted on February 27, 2020 at 2:06 pm
    Arndt’s comments are perfectly reasonable.”

    Agree.

  73. The BigBlueCat

    notafan
    #3336659, posted on February 27, 2020 at 2:06 pm
    Arndt’s comments are perfectly reasonable.

    They certainly are. The left is using “driven too far” as code for victim-blaming, and they do so without examining the context of what was written. The left want Arndt to shut up, but she shouldn’t shut up – she needs to speak truth to power, as we all do. Tim Smith MP, Kenneally, Wong and all the other Senators who voted to seek Arndt’s AM recall should be ashamed of themselves. (Note to self: One Nation is looking better and better …. none of the other parties are worthy of my vote!)

  74. JC

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3336667, posted on February 27, 2020 at 2:13 pm

    “notafan
    #3336659, posted on February 27, 2020 at 2:06 pm
    Arndt’s comments are perfectly reasonable.”

    Sure. I think though her biggest mistake was to go in too soon. The bodies hadn’t been buried at the time. This in no way absolves the virtue signalling and the behavior of the liberal party.

  75. dover_beach

    Sure. I think though her biggest mistake was to go in too soon. The bodies hadn’t been buried at the time.

    Arndt was responding to the removal of the Detective Inspector following his press conference asking for anyone with information to come forward. People have to stop finessing here. There would never have been a ‘right time’ for Arndt to say anything that departed from the feminist script and they have been quite happy to exploit this event to further feminism.

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