There is no excuse for murder

There is certainly no excuse for the murder of Hannah Clarke and her three children by Rowan Baxter in a murder-suicide.

Nor is there any excuse for the murder of four children by Charmaine McLeod on 27 May 2019 when she deliberately drove her car into a truck, probably causing permanent mental anguish to the truck driver.

Yet these two cases, similar in so many ways, are being treated quite differently. There was a Parliamentary vigil in Canberra for Clarke and her children, but not for the four children of the grieving father James McLeod. His warnings of the likelihood of his former wife committing violence were ignored. The media reports around the time imply that she was suffering depression – as if that was an excuse for the murder – something which Bettina Arndt and Det Insp Mark Thompson were slammed on social media and elsewhere when they suggested that it is too early in the investigation to decide on the guilt of Rowan Baxter and whether he had any defence for his actions (ie: mitigating factors).

In both cases the murderers died at the scene from self-inflicted wounds. But if they had survived and faced Court on charges of murder they would presumably offer a defence or claim some extenuating factor to mitigate their guilt.

Of course there is no excuse for murder, and Thompson should have chosen his words more carefully, but the furore which his comments and those of Arndt have attracted has been rather extreme to the point that the Senate voted for Arndt to have her Order of Australia rescinded.

If we were to go through living recipients of the Order of Australia for things that they said which caused offence there would be many others that would have their order stripped.

What are politicians such as Sarah Henderson, Tim Smith and Jill Hennessy really saying? If Rowan Baxter survived his self-inflicted wounds that he should not be allowed to plead not guilty, or that he should be automatically convicted without the necessity of a trial?

Really it is time for people to calm down, and allow the Police to go after murderers and other criminals who should face the full force of the law provided it is through due process and according to time honoured principles. This social media pile on is so undignified but is typical of today’s society where competitive outrage is a national sport.

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53 Responses to There is no excuse for murder

  1. Caveman

    Reflects how immature society this society is, just another shut down of opinions.

  2. C.L.

    We laugh at cops for their famously wooden and cliche-ridden formulas at press conferences. I don’t think that I, personally, will ever do so again. They are guarded. What the media did to Thompson – ginned up a goodies vs. baddies entertainment story to go with the murder-suicide itself – demonstrates why. This policeman is apparently one of the most respected and talented investigators in the Queensland Police Service. You only have to see the Detective Inspector to tell he’s a serious man, an intelligent man and a gentle man.

    He was trying to say, ‘hey, some people will say this and others will say that; we’ll take it all on board and present the brief when we’re ready.’ For clicks ‘n giggles, the media used his hypothetical summary of a non-existent person’s possible reaction to engineer his removal from the case, then went after Arndt for defending him (because in their deranged minds, by supporting Thompson she was ‘supporting’ what he said a non-existent person might conceivably say). Next, Labor climbed atop the burned-out car like shit-flinging monkeys to beat a culture war drum and see if they could wedge conservatives by daring them to stand up for Arndt (or even Thompson). None in the parliamentary Liberal and National parties did so.

  3. Amused

    As soon as the police worked out what McLeod had done, the media dropped the story immediately – and until today, I haven’t seen her name in print again.

  4. dover_beach

    Nor is there any excuse for the murder of four children by Charmaine McLeod on 27 May 2019 when she deliberately drove her car into a truck, probably causing permanent mental anguish to the truck driver.

    Sad to say, I completely forgot about that.

  5. Scott Osmond

    Something my dad said to me back in 1995 or so was “it doesn’t matter who you kill, what matters is how you kill them and who’s doing the killing”. As a 18 year old man I didn’t understand or agree but lately I’ve realised that he was on to something. Consider, a woman kills her kids you hear about it once if that. If it’s a man the media and politicians dance in the blood for weeks.

  6. Rossini

    Free speech is dead in Australia

  7. Rich

    I looked up McLeod and could barely find a story and whether it was ever officially judged as murder-suicide, apparently the media lost interest a few days after the event – but plenty of links to lifeline in every story

    So that’s a tragic mental health story, but the latest one is pure evil

    far as I’m concerned they are both the murder of small children, the double standard is brazen

  8. dover_beach

    When did a mother killing her four children not constitute an instance of DV? That is the only thing that explains the political-media class’s lack of interest.

  9. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Gees we’ve moved on fairly smartly.

    I just saw the Pry Mister addressing reporters outside the Parliament saying leaderly things along the lines of:

    “The death of these little children is tragic and we must do something to make sure it never happens again.”

    Then the whiney Opposition Leader stood on the same spot and said leaderly things along the lines of:

    “The death of these little children is tragic and we must do something to make sure it never happens again.”

    It was “symbolic” according to the Channel 7 reporter, who went on to say:

    “This evening the Pry Mister said:

    “The death of these little children is tragic and we must do something to make sure it never happens again.”

    It was so reassuring and … leadership-like.

    Fifteen or twenty years ago Kim Beazley was Opposition Leader and there was a momentarily popular television show host named Rove. I don’t know if that was his Christian name or surname. Anyway, Rove’s missus carked it and the television commanded the nation to sob and be mournful.

    For some unknown reason Beazley felt the need to weigh in and show leadership, probably recommended by a focus group or a snap overnight telephone poll. I doubt Beazley ever met the bloke.

    What he said then was just like Scott Morrison and Albosleazy tonight – “tragic”, “must do something”, “never happens again”. Meaningless froth, of no purpose, unnecessary. A bit like visiting 320 burnt out farmlets every fifth summer.

  10. Bruce in WA

    No, there is no excuse … but there are reasons, whether mitigating or not.

  11. NoFixedAddress

    Liberal National Party = Liberal Nationalist Socialist Party
    Labor Party = International Socialist Party
    Greens = NAZI = National Socialist Party

    Tell me the difference?

  12. Biota

    The capacity for thoughtful nuance is well and truly dead.

  13. Nowadays it’s not far fetched to believe that all men are considered murderers, especially of women and children, and no matter what a woman does, she is always a victim of men’s aggression.

    Is it any wonder that young men are becoming so confused, unsure of themselves and finding it almost impossible to interact with women because they must always be on guard for imagined transgressions.

    These ministers voted against the likes of Arndt etc, because they needed to virtue signal that they are not one of those sorts of men, believing that everyone would take them seriously.

  14. duncanm

    Bemused,

    we musn’t forget they’re rapists in their spare time.

  15. duncanm

    Bemused,

    we musn’t forget they’re r*pists in their spare time.

  16. calli

    No, there is no excuse … but there are reasons, whether mitigating or not.

    Astonishing how these two things become confused in feeble minds. The bleating politicians and feral mobs will froth and bubble and claim scalps, all to no avail.

    If we don’t know the reason, how can the problem be addressed?

  17. Geoff

    Sadly Bettina will not recover from this. She will forever be tarred as an apologist for male violence. Universities that have sought to exclude her using gauntlets of screaming undergrads can now formally deplatform her citing the parliamentary censure. Australian men and boys are also losers as who will now dare to advocate on their behalf. Another win for the regressive left helped along by every coalition senator.

  18. Cassie of Sydney

    “calli
    #3336317, posted on February 27, 2020 at 7:55 am
    No, there is no excuse … but there are reasons, whether mitigating or not.

    Astonishing how these two things become confused in feeble minds. The bleating politicians and feral mobs will froth and bubble and claim scalps, all to no avail.

    If we don’t know the reason, how can the problem be addressed?”

    Calli…because….because…..according to our cretinous media, feral twitter mobs and bleating politicians…and particularly the spineless craven stupid fucking Liberals and Nationals…the reason is obvious…and there is only ONE reason……toxic white men. Who needs an investigation? Who needs a court system? Who needs judges and juries?

    I tell ya…there was more judicial due process in Salem.

  19. Cassie of Sydney

    “Geoff
    #3336320, posted on February 27, 2020 at 7:59 am
    Sadly Bettina will not recover from this. She will forever be tarred as an apologist for male violence. Universities that have sought to exclude her using gauntlets of screaming undergrads can now formally deplatform her citing the parliamentary censure. Australian men and boys are also losers as who will now dare to advocate on their behalf. Another win for the regressive left helped along by every coalition senator.”

    Maybe…but Bettina, unlike other “conservative” toadies, will not be silenced….she is not a scaredy cat.

    I will never ever forgive the LNP for what they did in the senate the other day.

  20. DD

    The capacity for thought is largely dead.

  21. Geoff

    If Competitive Outrage is now a national sport, and it’s an Olympic year (fingers crossed). Who would get the nod for the national side? Maybe SH-Y and Bull Shitten as captains?

  22. Suburban Boy

    Compare the pair:

    1. Robert Donald William Farquharson (male) murdered his three sons in 2005 by deliberately driving his car into a farm dam. Found guilty of three counts of murder, sentenced to life with minimum of 33 years by the Supreme Court of Victoria. He had pleaded not guilty.

    2. Akon Guode (female) killed three of her children in 2015 by deliberately driving her car into a lake. Charged with two counts of murder, and one of infanticide for killing a very young child. She was also charged with attempted murder of a fourth child, who survived. She pleaded guilty, which in Victoria normally means a sentence reduction of a quarter, but she was charged with four counts of killing (or attempting to kill) her children, which presumably would counter that. She was sentenced by the Supreme Court of Victoria to 26.5 years with a minimum of 20 years at trial. On appeal, the sentence was reduced to 18 years with a minimum of 14 years.

  23. rafiki

    A mother who intentionally kills her child under 2 years, or in some States under 1, may be excused from a murder conviction if she can, putting it simply, adduce evidence from pyschiatrists that the ‘balance of her mind’ was disturbed at he time of the killing. This is often ascribed to post-natal depression. The penalty affixed by law is lower than for murder -in some States 5 years maximum -and in practice many such killers do not go to jail. So here we have the law allowing a child killer to offer an excuse based on their mental state.

    i have noted that some who assemble statistics do not include infanticide, and for that purpose ignore any case where a child less than 1 year old is killed.if the child is older than 1, the killing is called filicide,

    this report provides some examples

    https://www.qt.com.au/news/mum-accused-killing-kid-uses-rare-defence/3156799/

  24. Diogenes

    I looked up McLeod and could barely find a story and whether it was ever officially judged as murder-suicide, apparently the media lost interest a few days after the event – but plenty of links to lifeline in every story

    First tell for a murder suicide* – plenty of links to lifeline in every story
    The second is that as far as I can see looking at Qld gov stats, the 5 were not added to the road toll . Using the open data portal I can’t seem to find the ‘accident’ at all.

    The 3rd is that the story died very quickly just as the speculation started.

    *When I was living in Brissie, there was an otherwise unremarkable story (ie just the facts with no ” he had mental issues” or anything else that suggested suicide) about a guy dying at a crash scene at a level crossing at Sherwood. There was the Lifeline link at the bottom of story. The guy was a parent at no 1 son’s school, and through the kids grapevine , it was indeed suicide as he had been retrenched about 12 months before & bank was about to repossess the house

  25. Viva

    Seeking to understand why is conflated with seeking to justify.

    I seem to recall a similar conflation occurred after the 9/11 attacks.

    The high emotionalism following especially horrific actions often has the effect of blotting out rational responses. One day we might learn to work around this common reaction.

  26. Tim

    No, there is no excuse … but there are reasons, whether mitigating or not.

    Very well said Bruce of WA

    And I think that is what the poor copper was referring to

    I said when the meto mob started getting coverage that this would be the result. And I believe it will get worse until such time as the reasons / causes are identified and addressed.

    All the men blaming will do is isolate more men, with the result being that some of them loose touch with reality. No sane person could have done what baxter did. I could never do what baxter has done, but I understand he was probably screaming for help in a way that made it difficult to help him for some time and those that reportedly loved him ignored or found difficult to deal with. That is not victim blaming it is identifying cause and effect. At the end of the day it is upto the family to identify and ask for help. It is not upto the state. Which brings me to the pathetic mob in the senate. Sorry but the only 2 that behaved appropriately were hanson and roberts. They are the problem not the solution.

  27. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    My objection is simple. People including Arndt used the phrase “driven to” in the context of a man ambushing his separated wife and kids and setting them on fire, causing their death. people claim in domestic violence the he/she is “driven to” violence by some issue presumed to justify that violence. often it is a refusal by one to submit to the other’s demands. Often it is nasty behaviour.
    personally I think Arndt was marketing her profile as a defender of men. It was inappropriate and gross< given the damnable violence of these murders.

  28. dover_beach

    Hypocrisy and malice are afoot. Every time a mother kills her children and/or husband they ask what might have ‘driven’ her to do this (ABC headline to this effect here) and rafiki provides another example above. So, for the media and politicians to pounce on this instance is sheer hypocrisy and malice towards Arndt for no other reason that she is a cultural enemy.

  29. Rusty of Qld

    DVO experience: A family member had an Interim DVO issued on him, all on lies. Took 18 months to finally have this travesity thrown out, massive expense,trauma,anguish and reputainable damage caused. She skates scott free, no expense what so ever, no consequences. Family law court puts him through process of proving his bona-fides as a suitable parent. Only allows him access to children on a graduating scale over a long period to gain 50/50 access. This is just a brief outline of this as this matter drags out over years.
    My great concern is that the Police don’t do even do a quick check on initial complaint by visiting the husband and verifying any of the issues, in this case lies, made in the complaint, just rush to an Interim DVO.
    Imagine if this happened to you how would you feel? Your life is absolutely shattered and if you have no support, family or otherwise you are destroyed.

  30. calli

    They’ve been looking for a way to claw back Arndt’s OA from day one.

    In a way, she’s given them the perfect excuse.

    I wonder if this was her intent? As it was, it was all just mumbling and grumbling – how dare they give such an award to a pro-male anti-feminist? Now it’s hit the floor of Parliament. And it has not only highlighted the rank hypocrisy of our media but the disgusting venality of our female politicians and their beta male lickspittles. These people are not interested in the day to day struggles of ordinary Australian parents, they are focussed on their public profiles and approval that gets them over the line come next election.

    It has also highlighted how immature we are as a country. We can’t even face unimaginable cruelty without it being run through tempering, categorising filters first. Otherwise we might just get an inkling of what is really happening out there in the terrifying, manipulative world of relationship collapse.

  31. candy

    There is a definite left vs. right cultural thing going on.

    The woman in Cairns who stabbed to death 8 children and the family pets surely takes the cake. Really one of the worst mass murders in Australia. The media I believe called her a “doting mother” otherwise.

    My understanding is that she will never face trial and is assumed to be incapable.

    I seriously doubt a man would be saved from incarceration in the same circumstances (in Australia anyway).

  32. Des Deskperson

    ‘I think Arndt was marketing her profile as a defender of men. ‘

    Arndt must have known, after the initial furore over her award, that her comments about the Baxter murders would only make things worse for her. Her motives therefore, whether genuine or deliberately provocative, are of some interest, although she probably did not anticipate the Senate pile-on.

    No do her motives excuse the malice and hypocrisy – H/T Dover beach – of the pile-on. It is noteworthy that Peter FitzSimons, who described a person of colour as a ‘gorilla’, an inexcusable racist slur in any context, still has his AM.

    The interesting thing here is that while Arndt can look after herself, Fitz, with whom I had correspondence once, really believes himself to be decent, genuine, good old salt of the earth Aussie bloke and therefore beyond criticism. He would be devastated if his award was stripped .

  33. dover_beach

    Arndt simply needs to print out the ABC story from a few years back and ask why her tweet or the Detective Inspector’s comment any different?

  34. Bar Beach Swimmer

    The second is that as far as I can see looking at Qld gov stats, the 5 were not added to the road toll . Using the open data portal I can’t seem to find the ‘accident’ at all.

    And we still seem not to have heard anything about the aboriginal male itinerant who threw his baby daughter into Jack Evans Boat Harbour at Tweed Heads in November 2018 to drown because she was allegedly “too white”. Initially, he was charged with murder and his partner was psychiatrically assessed and that seems to be the end of the story.

    As to politicians making statements about domestic crimes. It really seems to be the level of horror felt by the community at large and the scope of destruction, that determine their response.

    The murder of eight children in Cairns in 2014 by their mother (7 children) and aunt (1 child) drew responses from the then prime minister (Tony Abbott) and the Qld Premier (Campbell Newman).

    From Wikipedia: ‘Tony Abbott…described the event as an “unspeakable crime.” Queensland Premier Campbell Newman expressed his sadness…[and said] “I ask that all Queenslanders reach out to those who may need support in coming days and do not hesitate to ask for professional assistance if needed”. Cairns Region Mayor Bob Manning asked the “people of Cairns to unite and display sympathy for those directly affected by this incident and respect for the police and other authorities who now must go about this difficult work.”The Torres Strait Island Regional Council requested respect for privacy and cultural responsibilities, adding it was inappropriate to comment due to “strict cultural protocols”.

    It’s also interesting that first responders (police, among others) normally draw much sympathy from the community (see the Cairns’ Mayor’s comment above). But in this most recent murder/suicide the police officer in charge has been vilified for adhering to police protocols of evidence gathering and for not feeding the level of vitriol that the zeitgeist is seeking from authority figures.

    In comparing the two murders, we also now have hierarchies of protocols – investigative and cultural. While the first is designed to answer the normal “who, when, what, how and why”, the second suggests a definite down-playing of the “why”, and thus the consequent level of media and resultant political discussion and response.

    Apart from investigative agencies, experts (forensic, pathological and therapeutic) are usually required by media news outlets to examine, analyse, determine and report on the facts. Bettina Arndt is an expert. Obviously, as well, we now have a hierarchy of experts, which seems to fully depend on the individual’s focus in their area of expertise. If that focus fits that zeitgeist thinking, think, for example, AGW, then the expert is honoured, listened to, and respected. If not, the zeitgeist waits to tear them down, think Bettina.

  35. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    This thread is a very good example of how tragedy becomes polemic. The people affected are just fodder for a ritual name-calling between two irrelevant tribes of foghorn nitpickers.
    Give the family a break FFS. Shut up!

  36. Bar Beach Swimmer

    personally I think Arndt was marketing her profile as a defender of men. It was inappropriate and gross given the damnable violence of these murders.

    The people affected are just fodder for a ritual name-calling between two irrelevant tribes of foghorn nitpickers.
    Give the family a break FFS. Shut up!

    Two separate posts from the same poster.

  37. Cassie of Sydney

    “Elderly White Man From Skipton
    #3336487, posted on February 27, 2020 at 11:27 am
    This thread is a very good example of how tragedy becomes polemic. The people affected are just fodder for a ritual name-calling between two irrelevant tribes of foghorn nitpickers.
    Give the family a break FFS. Shut up!”

    You are not the censor here and you don’t ordain what is said here on this blog. It is not as though, whenever you grace us with your tedious presence, that you have anything of merit or value to add to any conversation…so here’s a polite suggestion….fuck off.

  38. dover_beach

    This thread is a very good example of how tragedy becomes polemic. The people affected are just fodder for a ritual name-calling between two irrelevant tribes of foghorn nitpickers.
    Give the family a break FFS. Shut up!

    What you mean to say is that the wokerati should be able to exploit this tragedy without any counterpoint, however carefully it may be put. You wouldn’t even permit an experienced Detective Inspector continuing the investigation following remarks that departed from the script.

  39. calli

    Must be right over the target then.

    Being told to shut up is the first salvo. The next is being forced to shut down.

  40. Tator

    All this searching for a reason for someone to murder someone else is just an attempt to discount individual responsibility for ones actions. It is a totally left wing attitude. Far too easy to blame someone else for an individuals actions.
    As it is, Baxter had reportedly a very misogynistic attitude towards women. He had been part of the NRL as a player for 12 months and as a hanger on for years after that. Albeit, never playing a first grade game at all. As it is, the NRL has had countless controversies over sexism and sex scandals, as has the AFL.
    This and a WAGS culture where the girls involved want to share the fame and fortune of professional athletes means such attitudes are tolerated because of the massive fringe benefits that come along with dating or marrying a professional athlete in a high profile competition.
    Numerous studies from the US have shown that DV is prevalent in Pro sports but mainly in the NFL compared to the NBA, MLB and NHL. Surprisingly the only sport that “condones” on ice fighting in the NHL has a much lower arrest rate for all offences (less than 10%) compared to the NFL and NBA.
    Having spent a career in policing, it is well known that in the 80’s to mid 2000’s, many high profile players had arrests and other criminal behaviours covered up by the media and sometimes by the police. Numerous victims are paid off by the clubs who act to protect their players as an asset rather than a liability with their behaviours. You would have to be an idiot not to expect having this occur just emboldens further indiscretions if not out right offending down the track as players are never made accountable for their own actions.
    Yet people are blaming the Family Court in this case, even though it hadn’t even been involved in this case, or the CSA who have acted in draconian manners in other cases in the past, but that would be wrong too.
    IT is the actions of a person who has been involved in a misogynistic culture of winner takes all and has never been held accountable for anti social behaviour by anyone.

  41. Tim Neilson

    All this searching for a reason for someone to murder someone else is just an attempt to discount individual responsibility for ones actions. It is a totally left wing attitude. Far too easy to blame someone else for an individuals actions.

    As the comments above note, trying to understand why something happened is not the same as condoning it.

    As it is, Baxter had reportedly a very misogynistic attitude towards women.

    I’ll reserve judgement on that pending identification of who made the report. There’s no shortage of grievance mongers in Australia for whom “mysoginistic” just means, e.g., looking at your watch after eight or nine minutes of being subjected to a disingenuous feminist harangue.

    He had been part of the NRL as a player for 12 months and as a hanger on for years after that. Albeit, never playing a first grade game at all. As it is, the NRL has had countless controversies over sexism and sex scandals, as has the AFL.

    Ever heard of the concept of “stereotyping”?

    What’s so hard to understand about the police officer and Arndt’s view that we should wait for the evidence before moralising?

  42. C.L.

    Great comment, Tator.
    In no way do I belong to the ‘pushed him to it’ school of thought.
    Baxter was a loathsome, cowardly turd.

    I also think Arndt has to be careful about what you correctly describe as a left-wing view of domestic violence; to wit: it is somebody else’s fault and the perpetrators are the victims.

    That doesn’t mean it’s wrong to examine the prudence of a suite of policies and cultural toxins that bring some men to dire lows of psychological and spiritual despair.

  43. Ed Case

    Baxter was a moron and like most morons who act the goat with petrol there were unforeseen circumstances.
    There are no witnesses to the explosion and fire so the media made up their own story.
    Thats not unusual. The facts to any story are always months down the track.
    A more likely scenario goes like this:
    Baxter is depressed so not thinking rationally.
    He gets in her car with a knife maybe petrol maybe she was going to the servo to fill up the can.
    She stops the car, he pours the petrol over her, she opens the door to get out, static ignites the petrol and the can explodes killing the kids in the back and starting an inferno inside of the car.
    Baxter is now living a nightmare, the kids can’t be saved, she runs up to a person who heard the explosion and says he poured petrol on me. That person puts the hose on her to try to put the fire out.
    This nightmarish reality has unfolded in a few minutes.
    Baxters depression has now lifted but the enormity of what he has caused is more than his psyche can handle and he takes the knife from the inferno in the car and plunges it into his chest.
    Is that how it happened?
    I don’t know but it makes more sense than the self serving narrative the State and the Woking Classes are pushing.

  44. Vagabond

    The reason why these deaths do not appear on the road toll is that they do not satisfy the Australian Bureau of Statistics criteria for a road toll death. Deaths due to Intentional acts, whether suicide or homicide, are not counted in the lives lost. These is a detailed document available from the ABS that sets out the various definitions. Things like being killed by a tree falling on a vehicle, dying of a medical cause while driving or not being killed on an official road ( eg. in a car park or paddock) are not counted either..

  45. notafan

    He poured petrol on her and it ignited by accident?

    Just no.

  46. Ed Case

    !. He couldn’t have ”ignited her”.
    If he had he would have set himself on fire too and we know that didn’t happen.
    2. There are no living witnesses.
    3. Cars are full of static. Get out of a car and touch the bonnet at the same time you will feel static.
    4. If the sexes had been reversed i’d say yeah a woman would be capable of setting a man on fire with no regard for anyone else because its happened many times.
    5. A hetero man setting the wife and kids on fire deliberately?
    It just doesn’t happen

  47. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    Ed Case is clearly a short form for Head Case. Cassie, n the other hand, is a mere barker. A blatherer who just loves a pile on. Even when people are experiencing terrible grief. Even when the victims are kids. Pile it on Cassie. Enjoy your celebrity as a truly independent intellectual. Just hope you never must rely on the comfort of strangers.

  48. Ed Case

    Hang on EWMFS.
    You don’t speak for any of these people and i’m sure the last thing they’re doin right now is checking the blogs for Narrative Dissent.
    For your benefit i’ll repeat: there are no living eyewitnesses.
    The narrative we have is guesswork manufactured to put the worst possible spin on fathers.
    Rowan Baxter wasn’t burned, you try splashing petrol from a drum around inside a car then put a match to it.
    You’ll be lucky to survive.
    If the people who are running the Baxter is the Most Evil Man ever since the Last Mostest Evil Man ever and if you Don’t Agree We’ll Cancel You have a motto it’s gotta be:
    Never let an opportunity to tell a lie pass you by.

  49. Scott Osmond

    I would like to know how he managed to douse the inside of a car with petrol and set it alight without being burnt. If you haven’t seen petrol go up it’s not a gradual thing it’s a womp. Coming to any conclusion without eye witnesses and or an investigation is just cheap point scoreing. But I expect nothing less from the media and political classes.

  50. Cassie of Sydney

    “Elderly White Man From Skipton
    #3336867, posted on February 27, 2020 at 6:32 pm
    Ed Case is clearly a short form for Head Case. Cassie, n the other hand, is a mere barker. A blatherer who just loves a pile on. Even when people are experiencing terrible grief. Even when the victims are kids. Pile it on Cassie. Enjoy your celebrity as a truly independent intellectual. Just hope you never must rely on the comfort of strangers.”

    Yawn.

  51. PB

    “Free speech is dead in Australia”

    Killed by shrill women with keyboards.

  52. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Killed by shrill women with keyboards.

    There’s a few shrill men as well, though perhaps only useful idiots, but they too are tapping away…

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