Is bug response overblown hysteria? Sefton for the ayes

The best American news round-up man in the business, Ace of Spades editorialist J.J.Sefton:

The Chinese Coronavirus, Oriental Plague, Yellow Fever International Silver String Submarine Band is now spanning the globe to bring you a constant variety of panic. The thrill of short selling, the agony of no toilet paper. As travel bans are enacted, events cancelled, Broadway theaters going dark, schools closed until April and the world seemingly sealing itself inside its homes after smearing sacrificial lamb blood on the door to ward of Malach ha Mawis, there seems to be something missing and I can’t quite put my finger on it. What could it be? Wait, I’ve got it. An actual mass death toll. So far in the USA alone, the last time I checked we have a grand total of 60 victims…

Yes, I know the numbers are cold comfort to anyone who G-d forbid comes down with it or worse, has a friend or relative who succumbs to it. But given what the media is reporting, how our officials are reacting at the federal, state and local levels, and more disturbingly how our economy is affected (malevolently or otherwise), this whole thing just does not add up.

I really am at my wit’s end with this. And frankly, I smell rats all the way around. Ironic considering that 2020 is the year of the rat in China. From Anthony J. Ciani at American Thinker:

If COVID-19 (scientifically known as SARS-CoV-2) had started in Singapore or Taiwan, it would have traveled the world, infected billions of people, killed millions, and there wouldn’t have been a single peep about it. “But it kills people,” you cry. That is what cold and flu do, especially to the elderly and those lacking basic medicines. The world is panicking over a virus that causes mild colds in the vast majority of cases. Amid the panic, China is profiting as it buys up stocks at bargain-basement prices. Instead of engineering a pandemic, did China engineer pandemonium?

 
As usual, Victor Davis Hanson has an in-depth analysis for both Trump and America at large when we come out the other side of this madness.

 
Whether you’re a prepper now/phew later toilet-roller or a meh now/pay later thumb-twiddler, everybody can agree this episode is exceedingly bizarre and, yes, it does reek of rodent.

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51 Responses to Is bug response overblown hysteria? Sefton for the ayes

  1. Roger

    As usual, Victor Davis Hanson has an in-depth analysis for both Trump and America at large when we come out the other side of this madness.

    I suspect he’s right and the upshot of the virus will propel the US to further decouple from China.

    The more existential question is: will we?…can we?

  2. Infidel Tiger

    The facts on the ground do not match up with what the media reports telling us.

    We’ve destroyed our economy for online clicks.

  3. notafan

    Yes

    I’m looking at the Australian statistics and thinking

    Been here for how long?

    and

  4. Roger

    Original into moderation:

    I suspect Hanson’s right and US to further decouple from China.

    The more existential question is: will we?…can we?

    We’re a small to medium player dependent upon export earnings from mining & agriculture.

    One possibility on the horizon that would help us decouple from China is an informal bloc of the Anglophone nations – including India.

  5. Archivist

    It’s not overblown.

    If 50 percent of the population gets infected this year (which is likely), and if the mortality is 4 percent (which is within the range of estimates), then it will kill about half a million Australians by Christmas.

    The freight train is picking up speed.

    We have to change our thinking to a pandemic mindset. Unfortunately there has been nothing of this scale in living memory, and there is a collective amnesia for the horrors of cholera, Spanish flu, smallpox, and others.

  6. Not Impressed

    Hopefully security agencies around the world are investigating …

  7. Archivist

    The more existential question is: will we?…can we?

    Yes, we will decouple whether we want to or not, because the Chinese economy is, to use the Australian vernacular, rooted. We will have a second-order rooting as a flow-on from their rooting, but will adapt as we have done before in response to major shifts in international markets.

  8. Jock

    I read yesterday that Woolies were selling 7 weeks of toilet roll each day. Two observations: first that means people have hoarded nearly 2 years of toilet rolls over the past 2 weeks. When this is over they will not be able to sell a roll for the next year. Second ; if they are selling the equivalent of 7 weeks supply each day can they please explain the empty shelves. ?? I havent seen a dunny roll for 2 weeks and neither have the staff at the local coles. More likely it is one pallett that sells very quickly.

    Back to the real world. Is a 30% decline in stocks enough? As I see ity the best to get into are utilities as they have to be paid. People at home will need the lights on. Also food manufacturers if there are any left. Any other suggestions. Not interested in Qantas. Surprised they are not virtue signalling to save themselves. Surely the reason that Airline companies are going down is that there isnt enough trans people on their boards?

  9. Infidel Tiger

    Things you won’t hear in the media:

    Italian rate of infection rapidly dropping.

  10. Infidel Tiger

    If 50 percent of the population gets infected this year (which is likely), and if the mortality is 4 percent (which is within the range of estimates), then it will kill about half a million Australians by Christmas.

    The freight train is picking up speed.

    Actually this is not happening.

    The predictions are not coming true. Good luck or good management, no one knows.

    Tanking the economy seems a rather weird way to fight the Chinese Virus.

  11. Bunyip Bill

    Have not been able to purchase toilet paper . Useing lettice leaves instead. Fear it is the tip of the iceburg.

  12. Bunyip Bill

    Have not been able to purchase toilet paper . Useing lettice leaves instead. Fear it is the tip of the iceburg.

  13. stackja

    I will look back on this matter in six months. World stopped spinning? Australia still in existence? Boy still crying wolf? Sky not fallen?

  14. Driftforge

    Still wondering how long it will take before things are taken seriously. Seems to generally happen in the west once ICU beds are full. You’d hope that we’d look elsewhere and adjust, but no.

  15. Archivist

    Italian rate of infection rapidly dropping.

    They don’t have the testing capacity to keep up with demand so that might not be reliable. But also, the country is in lockdown, a policy that’s intended to slow the rate of infection.

  16. Archivist

    I suspect Hanson’s right and US to further decouple from China.

    The more existential question is: will we?…can we?

    We have no choice about decoupling, because China’s economy is toast and they will stop buying our stuff.

  17. Roger

    We have no choice about decoupling, because China’s economy is toast…

    They were wobbly late last year but reports suggest there is a “post-virus rebound” happening.

    Going against predictions, Chinese consumer spending is increasing as is factory output as indicated by a steady rise in shipping container traffic.

    For China, this could be a V-shaped event – sharp decline-equally sharp recovery- in which case I fear our lazy politicians will return to business with China as usual once this all passes. We’ll see.

  18. Infidel Tiger

    There is no chance China is recovering.

    Who are they shipping to? Unless it’s respirators and spaghetti no one is buying.

  19. Roger

    Who are they shipping to? Unless it’s respirators and spaghetti no one is buying.

    The report was from Dubai based DP World, the world’s largest port operator, five days ago.

    I note that the Chinese goods laden ‘cheap shops’ to be found in every shopping centre seem to have no supply issues.

  20. Archivist

    Going against predictions, Chinese consumer spending is increasing as is factory output as indicated by a steady rise in shipping container traffic.

    Have you got a source for those claims, not from the CCP?

  21. Archivist

    I note that the Chinese goods laden ‘cheap shops’ to be found in every shopping centre seem to have no supply issues.

    yet.

  22. Mak Siccar

    I’ll start another conspiracy theory, just for fun. Here goes.

    What we are seeing now is a co-ordinated attack on the free/capitalist world by the largest communist countries, China and Russia, with its goal of bringing us to our knees. Whilst one has used a bug as their weapon (with which they have considerable expertise) the other has used oil.

  23. Archivist

    What we are seeing now is a co-ordinated attack on the free/capitalist world by the largest communist countries, China and Russia, with its goal of bringing us to our knees.

    Look, there’s no question that China’s long term plan was (and still is?) to bring the West to its knees. But this is not part of a coordinated plan. Rather, this has disrupted those plans.

    Like everyone else, they are now making it up on the fly. Just because they appear to be exploiting some opportunity or other we should not conclude that they created the opportunity, only that they saw it.

    But as an aside, as a result of the disruption, we can expect to see an accelerated timetable in regard to Taiwan.

  24. Chris M

    I’m going through the shops looking at the labels on the back of goods to check origin and avoid ‘made in you know where’ – it’s a hard task. Feeling good to find some Bonds socks made in Vietnam, still commie but I’ll take what alternative I can get. Why can’t I buy more Indian / Pakistan / Bangladesh / Indonesian items such as clothes? Kmart / Target / Big W are full of Chinese stuff and I for one am actively not buying it as much as I can.

    Would the Brits buy Nazi cars in the 1930’s? Would the Yanks buy Soviet cars in the 1980’s (good as they were haha)?

    No. Don’t buy from people that openly hate your guts.

  25. PB

    Q + A. (Made to watch it). Labor lady with all the best of bipartisan intentions expressed followed by nasty, feminine eye-rolling and snarling for the camera every time the hapless Liberal Member opened his (admittedly inept) mouth.

    Nothing is above political point-scoring any longer. Not a thing.

  26. Chris M

    For the folks that suspect this Wuflu is nothing but a lefty / media plot to topple Trump:

    1) Open borders are dead, illegals fleeing
    2) Banning certain countries entering makes sense and is popular
    3) Globalism very unwell may not survive
    4) Manufacturing locally is the go
    5) Feeble buffers running against Trump in virus high risk category and rallies cancelled
    6) Almost no-one is interested in global warming
    7) Rabble lining the city streets of CA will be cleared

  27. Chris M

    8) Low oil price cripples Iran and Russia… list just keeps going.

    If it’s a media plot they held the gun from the wrong end.

  28. The BigBlueCat

    Bunyip Bill
    #3360214, posted on March 17, 2020 at 11:03 am
    Have not been able to purchase toilet paper . Useing lettice leaves instead. Fear it is the tip of the iceburg.

    Thank you … that made my day!

    Archivist
    #3360184, posted on March 17, 2020 at 10:42 am
    It’s not overblown.

    If 50 percent of the population gets infected this year (which is likely), and if the mortality is 4 percent (which is within the range of estimates), then it will kill about half a million Australians by Christmas.

    So let’s see what the numbers are at Christmas … until then, avoid fear-mongering.

  29. Howard Hill

    It’s our own government that is our enemy not the Chines. They’ve shackled us to the point we can’t breath anymore. Businesses everywhere choking on regulations form every angle. People being paid over the top for useless work. A growing bureaucracy that consumes everything in it’s path growing hungrier by the day.

    When you go to Bunnings and see a product for fifty bucks a pop ( Remember Cheaper Prices Were Just the Beginning ) and you then see on AliExpress, Gearbest, DealXtreme, Banggood, the exact same thing for fifty bucks a dozen, something is extremely wrong.

    Unless .gov ban imports from China which won’t happen, you’re not going to stop the Chines growing their economy and getting back on their feet. I for one don’t like paying five bucks an item when I can get the exact same item for five bucks a hundred and that’s no exaggeration!

    You’re also not going to see .gov give up it’s power, so forget about regulations being relaxed. They’re drunk on taxes and with every problem they confront, their only solution has been to impose more restrictions and more taxes, how the hell are you going to break that cycle?

  30. Roger

    Have you got a source for those claims, not from the CCP?

    Here you go.

    You’ll find similar reports from other outlets with correspondents in China.

  31. Frank

    Would the Yanks buy Soviet cars in the 1980’s

    Maybe Beluga caviar though.

  32. PB

    “I note that the Chinese goods laden ‘cheap shops’ to be found in every shopping centre seem to have no supply issues.”

    I asked at one. They have about six months of warehouse stock on hand which is usual practice. After that they aren’t sure.

  33. Archivist

    You’ll find similar reports from other outlets with correspondents in China.

    Yeah okay, so a Western journalist went out to a busy Beijing mall and interviewed some happy Chinese citizens. That’s in keeping with the new official line coming from Beijing, that the crisis is over in China and things are back to normal.

    Let’s wait to see some data, because despite the official line, the data so far suggests a sustained economic slowdown.

  34. Crazyoldranga

    I do believe that it is time to rename this Virus. Please welcome Furphy Virus, guaranteed to cause panic and pandemonium even if it kills less people than the road toll.

  35. Stimpson J. Cat

    Tanking the economy seems a rather weird way to fight the Chinese Virus.

    Gold Standard Here We Go Baby!
    Trust the plan!
    😂

  36. Tim Neilson

    Yeah okay, so a Western journalist went out to a busy Beijing mall

    Yes, there’s the problem right there.

    Believing a report from a Western journalist means believing that the journalist is diligent and competent enough to actually find out something out, and has enough ethics to publish it rather than just toe the approved line. (In China, the line approved by the CCP, in Australia the line approved over the sauvignon blanc at Clifton Hill dinner parties.)

  37. 132andBush

    Mak Siccar
    #3360341, posted on March 17, 2020 at 12:20 pm

    I’ll start another conspiracy theory, just for fun. Here goes.

    What we are seeing now is a co-ordinated attack on the free/capitalist world by the largest communist countries, China and Russia, with its goal of bringing us to our knees. Whilst one has used a bug as their weapon (with which they have considerable expertise) the other has used oil.

    Russia can’t do a thing re oil.
    Not since Trump anyway.

  38. A Lurker

    Yeah okay, so a Western journalist went out to a busy Beijing mall and interviewed some happy Chinese citizens. That’s in keeping with the new official line coming from Beijing, that the crisis is over in China and things are back to normal.

    I’d like to see recent satellite photos of Chinese manufacturing cities, towns and regions. If their pollution is back up to normal levels then yes, China is back at work – if, however, their air is clean, then you can take what the CCP says with a container load of salt.

  39. Iampeter

    LOL. Conservatives are basically calling for nationalism and then complaining about the fact shelves are empty and businesses are being shuttered.

    Conservatives 2020 = we need to stop socialism! Instead we just need the state to centrally plan everything. Don’t those leftist know anything!?

  40. Bazinga

    @Bunyip

    Why? Just Cos

  41. Rohan

    RE sea freight. I’m organising a consignment to South Africa. The rates aren’t dropping but increasing.

    So supply chains for international trade isn’t as bad as its made out.

  42. Squirrel

    Conspiracy or not, this might give some of the “passionate about climate change” brigade time to think about the sort of world their zero emissions fantasy would entail – particularly regarding air travel (about which so many of them are so absolutely and utterly hyprocritical).

  43. SW

    Makes me wonder if the cov19 may have been actually dropped on the chinese. The way they reacted was a game of rapid catchup and trying to lock things down to just get ahead. Either someone has dropped this on them ( which is an act of war ) or they had something that escaped from a lab, is easily aerosolized, lasts on surfaces for days and is easily spread – aka a bioweapon.

    Shoudl it be proven someone did give them a little “present” , I suspect the retaliation will be fearful….

  44. Archivist

    Makes me wonder if the cov19 may have been actually dropped on the chinese.

    what a stupid conspiracy theory, that’s being propagated by the Chinese government.
    There are so many reasons why that is not true.

  45. Louis Litt

    To all the socialists out there why are you not keeping open borders – hey Jacinta

    Consider you’ve been Litt up

  46. Chris M

    Shoudl it be proven someone did give them a little “present” , I suspect the retaliation will be fearful….

    Yes the Wuhan scientists and their bats have been disappeared. Some to the gulag some to the tummy.

  47. Radman

    Interesting communicating with a work colleague who managed to fly home to Korea 10 days ago. I lamented about the disgusting greed and general behaviour of the Australian shoppers who have panic bought and stripped supermarkets bare. No such issue in Korea. Orderly behaviour and well stocked supermarkets are the order of the day, photos included in her texts. We should be collectively ashamed.

  48. BorisG

    What could it be? Wait, I’ve got it. An actual mass death toll. So far in the USA alone, the last time I checked we have a grand total of 60 victims…

    These people do not understand exponential growth. Trump was also dismissive initially. Not anymore. Is he now also part of the left-wing conspiracy? Or maybe became the victim of the hostile media? surely he is many things but not a coward?

  49. BorisG

    I lamented about the disgusting greed and general behaviour of the Australian shoppers who have panic bought and stripped supermarkets bare. No such issue in Korea. Orderly behaviour and well stocked supermarkets are the order of the day, photos included in her texts. We should be collectively ashamed.

    This is not specific to Australia. It is all over the world, maybe excluding South Korea. My friends in Boston and especially Toronto tell me the shelves are bare. Moscow too. Hong Kong was too at some point.

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