Thursday Forum: March 26, 2020

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  1. feelthebern

    If Trump is getting ready to re-open the US, how precisely is Australia with less than 10% of the population in the same land-mass going to justify further insanity.

  2. The Beer Whisperer

    John Commenus
    #3378843, posted on March 27, 2020 at 11:39 am
    Scare modelling by academics, amplified by big media and supported by even bigger governments is the greatest threat to our democracy, our rights and our freedoms.

    If Hanson has any brains, she’ll start making noise about this now, ramp it up and head to the next election with a wet sail.

  3. woolfe

    Custard,
    Escalation, media control and then claiming victory is the only way they can save their political ar ses from the mob

  4. MatrixTransform

    glorious sunny day in Melb
    warm breeze

    are we allowed to walk on the beach or is that forbidden?

  5. Zatara

    If Trump is getting ready to re-open the US, how precisely is Australia with less than 10% of the population in the same land-mass going to justify further insanity.

    By riding the Trump train. It’s easy when there is a leader to follow (and/or blame).

  6. John Commenus

    Bruce Springsteen number one Aussie fan was of course former treasurer Goose Swansteen.

  7. MatrixTransform

    wont risk it … beaches are probably mined

  8. Farmer Gez

    woolfe
    #3378860, posted on March 27, 2020 at 11:49 am
    3050 cases, 13 oldies dead, 23 oldies critical. And for this we have 3,000,000 private sector unemployed.

    The medical authorities will claim success.
    They’ve cut the other leg off a one legged man so he doesn’t topple over. You can’t argue with that logic.

  9. johanna

    Des, what people are talking about is the subsidised arts, through the ACT and Commonwealth governments.

    Nobody minds if Canberrans go to see Bruce Springsteen or whoever out of their own money, as a commercial proposition. It is the handouts to the Lesbian Refugee Differently Abled Collective, the Intersex Interpretative Dance Group, the fillum-makers whose fillums nobody wants to see, and the fucking opera and ballet (patronised by the wealthy) that hit a nerve.

    Quadrant has done some excellent exposes on these grifters.

    If people turn to the arts in hard times, it is not to any of the above. It is to genuinely popular artists who don’t need taxpayer subsidies because they are in touch with what audiences actually want and are prepared to pay for.

  10. egg_

    3050 cases, 13 oldies dead, 23 oldies critical. And for this we have 3,000,000 private sector unemployed.

    One Flu Over the (‘Elf) Cuckoos Nest

  11. Roger

    Excellent piece by Daniel Wild.

    I’ve forwarded to my local Liberal member,fwiw.

  12. egg_

    glorious sunny day in Melb

    The Cat bedwetters will be able to dry their mattresses.

  13. Roger

    If people turn to the arts in hard times, it is not to any of the above. It is to genuinely popular artists who don’t need taxpayer subsidies because they are in touch with what audiences actually want and are prepared to pay for.

    And across much of regional Australia that’s country music.

  14. Infidel Tiger

    3050 cases, 13 oldies dead, 23 oldies critical. And for this we have 3,000,000 private sector unemployed.

    Hey, we paid $250bn for Subs that won’t work or ever be delivered and $100bn for a broadband network that will never be connected and doesn’t work.

    This is one of our success stories.

  15. I have good news and bad news #1.

    The bad news: The Australian economy has been completely trashed and we have 3 million plus unemployed.

    The good news: Corona was overhyped and is not a major threat.

    __________________________________________________
    I have good news and bad news #2.

    The bad news: The Australian economy has been completely trashed and we have 3 million plus unemployed. And Corona is a major threat and may kill 10,000 Australians.

    The good news: None.

  16. egg_

    There will be some Traders’ Beemers going cheap?
    Who’d’ve thunk ‘Elf Grigbots would be their downfall?

  17. Confused Old Misfit

    If people turn to the arts in hard times, it is not to any of the above.

    Spot on johanna.
    A kitchen party, couple of guitars, spoons, maybe a fiddle, mouth (J*ws) harp, better for the spirit than a lot of the government subsidized rubbish.
    I would have added a washboard and tub to that list of instruments bet I imagine they’re extinct.

  18. John Comnenus:

    No doubt the reset will be to a low carbon economy where the Public Service wants to extend the emergency powers to unilaterally shut down businesses like Coal Mines by Government dictat to prevent the Climate emergency. I expect the AGW to co opt the language of pandemic to build the momentum for the low carbon “reset” for the “Climate Pandemic”.

    You foolish man, John.
    The new reset regime won’t have those ‘election’ thingies.

  19. Leigh Lowe

    Roger
    #3378831, posted on March 27, 2020 at 11:33 am
    There was some gurning throw-away about being more afraid of Dan Murphy’s.

    Freudian slip. Don’t imagine for a moment they haven’t considered it.

    It’s coming.
    News at 11 this morning.
    Unnamed bureaucrats “very concerned” at the level of alcohol abuse amidst the Corona-Crisis.
    Evidence?
    Well, none really, but “very concerned”.

  20. egg_

    The Australian economy has been completely trashed and we have 3 million plus unemployed. And Corona is a major threat and may kill 10,000 Australians.

    There’s always a catch.

  21. The chickens are coming home to roost over Robodebt, and the timing is horrendous.

    From the report –

    But a leaked ministerial submission to cabinet from government ministers Stuart Robert, Anne Ruston and Christian Porter, prepared last month, reveals the commonwealth expects to refund more than 400,000 debts over the next 12 months.monitor payments.

    Abbott changed Centrelink from a support agency to a compliance mechanism and the current government (and the poor buggers stuffed around by it) are suffering for it now.
    The process for both DVA and Centrelink was to downsize the agencies to save money, to use a combination of outsourcing and technology (Robodebt) to try to cover the shortfall in efficiency, and to demand with deadlines when mistakes were made.
    It will be interesting to see if the public’s attitude toward people on the dole will change, now that so many more are effected.

  22. notafan

    To be fair working from home and older Australians voluntarily staying home was smashing cafe and restaurant receipts before the official announcement to go takeaway only.

  23. rickw

    Qld’s CMO was making noises about shutting down grog shops yesterday.

    Looks like everyone in Government has found their Inner Dictator.

  24. The Beer Whisperer

    John Commenus
    #3378868, posted on March 27, 2020 at 11:53 am
    Bruce Springsteen number one Aussie fan was of course former treasurer Goose Swansteen.

    I always hated Bruce Springsteen. A poser ad tosser of the highest order, although it took 30 years to be proven right with his complete transformation from working class hero, exploiting 80’s cashed-up bogans to woke hipster hero, exploiting indoctrinated Millennials.

    Wayne Swan made the perfect pathetic middle-aged fanboi. A match made in hell.

  25. johanna

    Please tell me this is a bad dream, and I will wake up soon:

    The Federal Government is considering a radical suite of measures to effectively put the economy into hibernation, allowing businesses to emerge after the coronavirus crisis, and resume and rehire without crippling debts.

    As the Government prepares to unveil its third economic rescue package “within days”, policies are being developed to help business owners see out the crisis without having to walk away from their companies.

    Banks, lenders and landlords would all be asked to wear some of the pain, waiving all overheads including rents and mortgage repayments for at least the next six months.

    This is what happens when politicians are completely disconnected from the real world. This is insane.

    The ‘economy’ is an abstract, albeit with a resemblance to the Ursus species.

    FMD. 🙁

  26. Dr Faustus

    Even a short sharp shutdown IIRC he was saying could take many quarters, maybe years to recover completely?

    Anyone imagining there a swift recovery from a ‘short sharp shutdown’ is completely divorced from the decision-making world of the SME.

    1) Capital – gone, permanently lost or, heavily restricted by 2), 3), and 4) below;
    2) Staff – scattered and desperately damaged by the destruction brought on their lives;
    3) Working capital – and what have you got left to secure credit?
    4) Market – changed, uncertain and unable to make long term purchasing decisions – spooked by their own market, and points 1), 2) and 3) above;
    5) Confidence – not materially boosted by the prospect of being the cash cow to repay the financial destruction – particularly given the public fuckheads thinking that business can be turned off, up, down, or into another colour like a Phillips Smart Light.

    One thing government has ensured is that the recovery curve will be well-flattened.

  27. notafan

    Thank you Bob for sharing another positive of the Abbott legacy.

  28. egg_

    Wayne Swan made the perfect pathetic middle-aged fanboi.

    Beige Rock.

  29. Leigh Lowe

    Des Deskperson
    #3378858, posted on March 27, 2020 at 11:47 am
    ‘I went to Queanbeyan to enjoy the arts that normal people enjoy and they don’t need a government hand out to enjoy it’

    Canberra’s taste – that’s the people, not the government, although there are probably similarities – in arts and entertainment is, not surprisingly, safe, earnest and lower middld brow. Crowded House, Paul Kelly and Bruce Springsteen are big here.

    That may be so, Des.
    But they are also in love with the idea of the publicly funded obscure unwatched yartz, because it makes them feel highbrow and sophisticated.
    They may even attend one and piss off at half-time after posting a virtue-signal on Insta/FB.

  30. The Beer Whisperer

    notafan
    #3378901, posted on March 27, 2020 at 12:11 pm
    To be fair working from home and older Australians voluntarily staying home was smashing cafe and restaurant receipts before the official announcement to go takeaway only.

    Absolutely, but I noticed some time go that the eat-in industry had grown massively since when I was a lad. I first heard my mother tell me about a family who never cooked at home in the early 80s, but now it’s very normal.

    At least until a few weeks so. It will certainly go back to a time where it was much less prevalent than today.

  31. rickw

    By riding the Trump train. It’s easy when there is a leader to follow (and/or blame).

    If it wasn’t for Trump, we would definitely find ourselves locked in a Third World Country with less freedom and liberty than Communist China.

    The Dickheads in Government are not capable of finding their own way out of the mess they made of this, at least Trump might be able to lead them out.

  32. twostix

    3050 cases, 13 oldies dead, 23 oldies critical. And for this we have 3,000,000 private sector unemployed.

    What that means around here is young working class families are going to lose their little properties that they’ve scraped and struggled to buy, are going to have to move back into shitty run down welfare housing ghettos in the local shit satellite town that many escaped from to start with, and their kids are going to grow up poor in that environment instead.

    Fucking bullshit.

  33. Carbon Emitter

    Northern Cyprus news: Re Corona

    PM Tatar Announces Pay Cuts
    Announcing the 33-point austerity package at a press conference at the Prime Ministry, Tatar said that the measures adopted will create 1.5bn Turkish Lira in revenues needed to mitigate the economic impact of the crisis.
    Tatar, summarizing the various measures in place, said that all the decisions adopted by the government were aimed at ensuring the health of the public.
    “The measures we have adopted are aimed at this. Of course, these measures will have economic consequences. That is economic activity has been severely restricted,” he said.
    According to the measures, all public-sector salaries above 5,000 TL will be slashed by 25 per cent for a period of three months.
    No cuts will be made to salaries lower that 5,000TL
    Those who receive a salary of 6,000TL and lower will have a 16 per cent cut.
    He added that the highest public-sector salary will not exceed 8,500 TL and that the Prime Minister, ministers, MPs and other high ranking public servants will take cuts up to 56 per cent.
    ​​​​​The salaries of public servants who have been carrying out essential services will not be touched, the Prime Minister said.

  34. Anne

    @2runtherace (Excellent account to follow)

    Hmm… SEIU Union in California Suddenly Finds Mysterious Stash of 39 Million Face Masks — 3 Days After AG Bill Barr Announces They’re Going After Hoarders!!
    @realDonaldTrump

  35. Anne

    @StormIsUponUs (Best account for Patriot news)

    The silent war against the [hidden enemy] rages as we sleep. The Deep State and Soros’ army of agitators, spanning every level of local authority, were STEALING supplies to hasten public exposure to the virus. Patriots risk their lives daily to shield us from these attacks.

  36. Des Deskperson

    ‘According to the APSC’s report, the average “benefit” component — sign-on, productivity, retention and performance bonuses — of public sector salaries is 15 per cent. Removing this and keeping the remaining 85 per cent base salary would net $3.3bn, or 41,250 jobs.’

    He’s more or less explicitly saying here that 15 % of all the remuneration paid to APS employees is bonuses.

    In 2018, only 15,629 AP employees received performance bonuses, down from 23,185 in 2014.

    That’s little over 10% of all APS employees. let’s say the average bonus receiver is an EL1 on a total reward of $137,00o. 15% of this is around $20,000. A rough estimate therefore is that bonuses cost a bit over $300 million a year. A substantial sum, but nothing like $3,3 billion.

    I should make it clear that I don’t support performance bonuses for APS employees. They are unfair in an hierarchical system where most individuals have little control over the work they are given or the results achieved. They encourage real or perceived patronage and favouritism. Hopefully, that is why the use of these bonuses is declining.

  37. MatrixTransform

    see if the public’s attitude toward people on the dole will change, now that so many more are effected.

    did it just invent future /outrage/intolerance/bigotry/bais/ to pithily both justify AND excuse its own ?

    why yes, yes it did

    you’re one strange unit

  38. John Commenus

    The question isn’t if the COVID condition is serious. It obviously is. The two questions to ask is how serious is it and what should we to do about it.

    Unfortunately the scare modelling was foisted on people who don’t understand the need to compare like statistics with like statistics. The result was to amplify the scare modelling into a full blown panic. The millions will die lie.

    When “millions will die” is the answer to the how serious is it question then the only sensible and moral response is to do whatever it takes. Unilaterally sack 1-2 million “non essential” Australians, massively increase the deficit, wipe 20% of home values and superannuation accounts – that’s just the start.

    Unfortunately it appears that not enough sceptical analysis of the initial scare modelling was applied. No one said no to his band wagon effect. But maybe it will be a god send.

    Unlike AGW, the other great scare modelling panic we are subjected to, the need was immediate. No 12 years to save the world from this scare model. The pain is sharp and immediate and will be hard to undo. There will be real anger in one or two months when we don’t all die but many, in fact probably most, have lost either their job, asset or house value and much of their savings or some combination of the above.

    There will be real anger when the “non essential” Australians realise that the “essential” Australians failed to properly check the statistics before panicking. The only way out for the Governments is to pretend it was their management of the situation that saved us from the predicted outcomes.

    The media, academia, public sector bodies and medical lobby groups who benefitted from, and pushed this this panic bandwagon will rally behind the government. But these people will find it difficult to hide the truth and everyone who has suffered will want to blame someone. Ladies and Gentlemen I guarantee that the unanimous choice for blame will be Scott Morrison.

    Now hopefully people will see the danger created by universal scare modelling amplified into a panic by media and government. Hopefully people, burnt by the COVID scare panic will be a lot more suspicious of the climate emergency.

  39. Not Uh oh

    Watched a bit of the Trump presser this morning. He’s talking about getting things open while we’re talking about getting things shut. Stark difference. I think history will be on his side.

  40. Farmer Gez

    There’s a shortage of toilet paper and 8th Dan shows up.

    8th Dan
    #3378802, posted on March 27, 2020 at 11:16 am
    Merde.

    From the horses mouth.

  41. Archivist

    3050 cases, 13 oldies dead, 23 oldies critical. And for this we have 3,000,000 private sector unemployed.

    Most of the economic damage (so far at least) is not due to government policy.
    The economy has been shutting down in response to coronavirus over several weeks.

  42. MatrixTransform

    completely divorced from the decision-making world of the SME.

    The Faustian Doctor has mid-reading capabilities?

    Fact Check: true

  43. Des Deskperson

    ‘Des, what people are talking about is the subsidised arts, through the ACT and Commonwealth governments.’

    I know, I was just making a gratuitous point about my fellow Canberrans, most of whom have no personal interest in art, subsidised or unsubsidised, unless it is safe and mainstream.

  44. notafan

    Yes indeed Beery

    My mum complains that her once vibrant something for everyone strip, all the banks, even had a grain merchant, is now alternatively cafes and real estate agents, and the obligatory massage joint.

  45. Top Ender:

    The Clean Energy Finance Corporation oversees $10bn of investment in clean power that has done little other than give Australia the fourth highest electricity prices in the world. This is the equivalent 125,000 jobs.
    The government provided a one-off grant of $444m to the Great Barrier Reef Authority in 2018 when the authority had only six full-time members. This grant should be recalled, to the value of 5500 jobs.
    The ABC’s property portfolios in Brisbane, Sydney, and Melbourne are worth about $522m. Having the public broadcaster lease premises while selling these would help save more than 6000 jobs.
    Selling the National Broadband Network could retrieve just less than $10bn, according to the Parliamentary Budget Office, the equivalent to a further 125,000 jobs.

    So who has the money to buy these?
    I can give you very long odds that a certain Oriental corporation would give us top dollar for our splendid NBN fiasco.

    On another subject, could you get my email from from the Doomlord as I’d like to discuss your questionaire on War Crime definitions.

  46. notafan

    Where I used to grab a coffee I used to see the same couples who had brunch out every single day.

    I assume now they are rediscovring the joys of Kelloggs Cornflakes and vegimite on toast.

  47. Matrix Transform:

    *moonwalks* to the kitchen to make coffee

    Choke on it, shithead.

  48. Archivist

    @John Comnenus:

    The study relied on the junk Imperial College modelling where the lead author is now walking away from his scare study which has imploded the world. He started a global panic.

    The panic was well and truly on before that paper surfaced.

  49. min

    Cheer up everyone At least we can all have a nice hair do

  50. IT:

    Hey, we paid $250bn for Subs that won’t work or ever be delivered and $100bn for a broadband network that will never be connected and doesn’t work.

    The $250 Billion has blown out – by my calculations – to about $350 Billion, just with the currency fluctuations.

  51. MatrixTransform

    new fred fellas

  52. DHS

    The panic was well and truly on before that paper surfaced.

    Which just proves the point. You believed his nonsense because it fit your narrative, not because it made any sense or could possibly be true.

  53. DHS

    The economy has been shutting down in response to coronavirus over several weeks.

    Oh yes because the government has in no way, shape or form fanned the flames of the fear of the virus has it?

  54. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Just saw a rather sad sight. Sailing out of Sydney Harbour towards the Heads now, the Spectrum of the Seas, a ‘dead’ ship, no lights anywhere, no signs of activity anywhere. A ghost ship set to sail the seven seas till doomsday. Like some huge lost whale.

  55. C.L.

    Officially bullshit …
    Coronavirus czar Dr Deborah Birx just dumped the models.

  56. bespoke

    Dave in Marybrook
    #3378463, posted on March 27, 2020 at 5:57 am
    Just pulled off the last Cab Sauv bespoke- light for the patch, everywhere here in the SW has been this year. Two dark wet springs have caught up with tonnage, withering it away. On the plus side, I’m out of it a full three weeks earlier than average.
    Handpick Frontignan next week. Labour hire Co has ceased all handpicks- I’m assuming for insurance risk, if any get Wuhanned through work. I’ll see if they quietly release some contact details for some of the better Italian-German carloads.

    Cheers.

  57. cohenite

    Now hopefully people will see the danger created by universal scare modelling amplified into a panic by media and government. Hopefully people, burnt by the COVID scare panic will be a lot more suspicious of the climate emergency.

    Unfortunately they won’t. The usual suspects are already using the chunk virus as justification for more intense alarmism: pol tot, extinction rebellion, the UN, msm and pollies are gearing up: Matt Kean is going to spend 11.6 smackeroos on reliable junk starting now.

    They’ll be back bigger and more fucked than before.

  58. cohenite

    11.6 smackeroos

    Should be 11.6 billion smackeroos.

  59. DavidH

    I have to make mention of woolfe’s gravatar – similar to the PRC flag but instead of stars, it has one big coronavirus and 4 small coronaviruses to its right. It originates from a Danish newspaper and China is outraged.

  60. DavidH

    What’s Royal Caribbean’s next ship going to be called – Obsolescence of the Seas?

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