Oakeshott again

The man who wanted to be Speaker proves once again his isolation from reality. In signalling his intention to vote against Malcolm Turnbull’s Bill to force a cost-benefit analysis of the NBN on the Government, Oakeshott said:

getting away from dial-up and getting a more reliable and affordable broadband service in regional Australia

We don’t need the NBN to get away from dial-up. According to the June 2010 release of ABS 8153.0 (Internet activity Australia), 8 per cent of subscribers use dial-up and 92 per cent of subscribers use broadband, such as DSL, satellite, cable, fibre, and wireless.

In June 2006, the proportion using dial-up was 46 per cent.

What planet does this man live on? If anything, the NBN will slow the inevitable demise of dial up. As I’ve noted previously, my internet connection (3G) is slower than I would prefer because my exchange won’t be upgraded by Telstra to allow ADSL / ADSL2 because of the NBN.

It seems he wants the NBN and a waste dump.

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30 Responses to Oakeshott again

  1. john malpas says:

    to old age pensioners dial up is really the only affordable way to the Net. In rural australia anyway.
    So dont forget the impoverished.

  2. . says:

    I disagree.

    It is too slow to be useful. Satellite internet isn’t that bad and is reasonably priced, and sometimes subsidised. OAPs in the bush can see rentals that are truly dirt cheap.

    http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Rent/Apartment/NSW/Leeton/?adid=6686770

    $165 p.w, modern, 2 br, 1 car garage, 1 bathroom

    I know $496.30 p.w isn’t much, but there are a lot of other subsidies and discounts.

    Sat broadband:

    http://www.westnet.com.au/satellite-broadband/plans.html

    So with the higher user rate it’s $5 a week each.

  3. . says:

    I disagree.

    It is too slow to be useful. Satellite internet isn’t that bad and is reasonably priced, and sometimes subsidised. OAPs in the bush can see rentals that are truly dirt cheap.

    http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Rent/Apartment/NSW/Leeton/?adid=6686770

    $165 p.w, modern, 2 br, 1 car garage, 1 bathroom

    I know $496.30 p.w isn’t much, but there are a lot of other subsidies and discounts.

    Sat broadband plans from westnet: $44.95 p.m for 1Mbps/512k, 1G DL + 5GB DL in off peak

    So with the higher user rate it’s $5 a week each.

    In ten years time, they might see faster Government provided broadband if the market doesn’t do it first. As a safe Nationals seat, I doubt they’ll get favours from the inidependents.

  4. . says:

    (I seem to be “spamming”).

    I disagree.

    It is too slow to be useful. Satellite internet isn’t that bad and is reasonably priced, and sometimes subsidised. OAPs in the bush can see rentals that are truly dirt cheap.

    http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Rent/Apartment/NSW/Leeton/?adid=6686770

    $165 p.w, modern, 2 br, 1 car garage, 1 bathroom

    I know $496.30 p.w isn’t much, but there are a lot of other subsidies and discounts.

    Sat broadband plans from westnet: $44.95 p.m for 1Mbps/512k, 1G DL + 5GB DL in off peak

    So with the higher user rate it’s $5 a week each.

    In ten years time, they might see faster Government provided broadband if the market doesn’t do it first. As a safe Nationals seat, I doubt they’ll get favours from the inidependents.

  5. Sinclair Davidson says:

    So dont forget the impoverished.

    It’s very hard to forget the impoverished – we pay so often and so much for them.

  6. AndrewL says:

    Nice smear on Oakeshott about wanting a waste dump.

    Byrne, who remains concerned about the failure to clean up the allegedly contaminated site, said Oakeshott had been well-intentioned and conducted himself appropriately in arranging and attending the meeting.

    He claimed Oakeshott tried to broker a deal between the witness and the representatives of Birdon, calling on them to stop making negative claims about their business operations. And he claimed that as a result of the meeting, the witness, who does not want to be named, agreed to stop agitating over the allegations of dumping.

    Essentially he did his job to try to resolve a local issue. What do you propose he should have done?

    What percentage of dial up subscribers are rural?

  7. . says:

    John,

    Have a look at what rentals you can get remotely, what net access you can get and what the aged pension gives you.

    They can afford satellite broadband which is like crappy ADSL2.

  8. . says:

    Satellite broadband:

    http://www.westnet.com.au/satellite-broadband/plans.html

    $5 p.w for a couple for the faster plan.

  9. . says:

    What aged pensioners get: not much but there are alot of subsidies and discounts and other entitlements:

    http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/age_rates.htm

    oops – $5 p.w each for a couple for the sat broadband

    Even rural America doesn’t necessarily get broadband. Some of them are still stuck with dial up.

  10. Sinclair Davidson says:

    Essentially he did his job to try to resolve a local issue.

    That’s probably right – he was the state MP at the time and this was a state matter.

  11. C.L. says:

    Sure – if by “resolve a local issue” you mean lessen the almighty shit storm brewing for a campaign contributor.

  12. . says:

    John – BTW, you can get a tidy, modern 2 br unit in Leeton (NSW rice belt) for $165 p.w.

    I don’t get how rural oldies can’t afford the internet.

  13. AndrewL says:

    Sure – if by “resolve a local issue” you mean lessen the almighty shit storm brewing for a campaign contributor.

    Is anyone alleging he did anything untoward or illegal? The EPA got independent legal advice, Oakeshott according to the article brokered the meeting and urged a resolution; not which resolution.

    Do you suggest he should not have acted on behalf of a local business? I would expect my local MP to step in to lessen a shitstorm on my behalf too, if it didn’t contravene any laws.

  14. JC says:

    AndrewL

    What do you make of this?

    Oakeshott, who lobbied for Birdon during his talks with Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott after the August election, confirmed to The Australian he had become involved in helping to resolve the “complex constituent issue”.

    You missed that part obviously?

  15. AndrewL says:

    JC,

    I am not sure that indicates he favours a waste dump.

    What did he lobby for?

  16. TE says:

    Oakeshott’s comments on the NBN is ridiculous. His assertion that everyone in regional Australia is on dial-up is utterly false. ADSL is available in all the major towns and wireless/satelitte serves the small isolated villages adequately.

  17. Jc.. says:

    AndrewL
    I wouldn’t speculate for a moment as to what the prick is thinking. You were the one making speculations

    Tell us why he had to have that conversation with gillard.

  18. AndrewL says:

    I haven’t speculated at all. I am just saying on the evidence of that article I can’t identify anything he has done wrong. You brought up the lobbying. You obviously have some reason why a local member shouldn’t act on behalf of his constituents. I was wondering what it was. But as you say you have no idea what was discussed I can’t see why it was important to bring it to my attention.

  19. JC says:

    Oakeshott, who lobbied for Birdon during his talks with Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott after the August election, confirmed to The Australian he had become involved in helping to resolve the “complex constituent issue”.

    Andrew L the dipstick is in conversations with these two over matters to do with forming government.

    Do you honestly think a constituents problems with a waste dump ought to be discussed with not only the PM at the time but also the opposition leader?

    You have no issue with that?

    It borders on very unsavory dealings yet you can’t see any evidence that it should.

    Fme.

    I haven’t speculated at all

    Yes you did. You assumed he was doing above board political business for a constituent.

  20. Samuel J says:

    I’m sure that granny will be happy to pay a lot more for faster broadband. NOT!

  21. AndrewL says:

    JC, logically as the case was closed by the EPA in 2008 and the EPA is a State instrument he wasn’t lobbying about this case in 2010 to Federal leaders. Which is why I asked what he was lobbying Gillard and Abbott about.

    My guess is that you fell for the Australian’s trick of juxtaposing two different issues.

    Up until the last sentence I haven’t speculated. I have just relied on what the article said; that he acted in his role as State Member on behalf a constituent business to resolve a dispute with the EPA.

  22. Infidel Tiger says:

    Lunatic fringe, Steve Martin lookalike, claims to be dentre-right. Sounds of “bullshit” echo around nation.

  23. JC says:

    Andrew L You just speculated here again.

    Up until the last sentence I haven’t speculated. I have just relied on what the article said; that he acted in his role as State Member on behalf a constituent business to resolve a dispute with the EPA.

    How do you possibly know he simply acted on regular constituent business. You don’t seem to understand what the word means.

    The question is:

    Is the OZ accurate in saying that oak raised the constituent issue with Gillard and Abbott prior to forming government? If so why?

    It doesn’t seem to be “normal” constituent business to me.

    It obviously does to you. Why?

  24. Jason says:

    Ummm… as the context shows, he’s talking about rural Australia. The 8 percent still stuck on dialup are disproportionately from rural Australia.

  25. AndrewL says:

    If you google, JC, you will see he didn’t raise this issue with Gillard and Abbott. What he raised was defence contracts going to overseas tenderers at twice the cost.
    The OZ never said he did. That was your reading of it (which was understandable the way it was written, if you didn’t think too deeply about it).

  26. JC says:

    This is what the Oz said:

    Oakeshott, who lobbied for Birdon during his talks with Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott after the August election, confirmed to The Australian he had become involved in helping to resolve the “complex constituent issue”.

    Why should I believe you and not them?

  27. JC says:

    In addition i read that oak is going to be investigated by the nsw corruption commission.

  28. Nanuestalker says:

    Hmmm… I miss this shit!
    ________________________

    I’m with JC….(sorry if that f**ks allor any cred. JC!)

  29. AndrewL says:

    Why would you believe the Australian? A very good question.

    This is what our ABC said:

    The State Opposition has reportedly lodged a complaint with the Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC).

    It centres on his efforts to win defence contracts for Port Macquarie-based Birdon Marine.

    This is what the Dialy Telegraph said:

    The Daily Telegraph revealed this week Mr Oakeshott lobbied both Ms Gillard and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott to ensure Birdon was given a greater slice of the $9 billion in Defence contracts.

    I guess you can believe the Australian if you choose to, but it would appear they are confusing you by conflating two different smears.

    And another example of their fine journalism is quoting a Greens Senator as though he is criticising Oakeshott.

    NSW opposition climate change and environmental sustainability spokeswoman Catherine Cusack last night described the contamination as “an environmental emergency requiring immediate action”.

    She said ICAC should investigate the role played by Mr Oakeshott.

    Mr Shoebridge said yesterday there were too many unanswered questions relating to the contamination and why nothing had been done about it.

    “The real issues here are the extent of the contamination, what’s going to be done about it and why no one has been held to account,” he said.

    “The people of NSW need to know why, but the information is not forthcoming. The people of NSW have a right to know why the prosecution was never run and what on earth the EPA is doing on our behalf.

    “Of particular concern are the reports about the amount of TBT still on the site and in the river.

    “The potential damage to the fishing and tourism industries of Port Macquarie and Hastings area demands immediate answers and outcomes.

    “The local community are concerned about the potential impact on their families. They deserve to know the full story.”

    What does the ABC say he said?

    A Greens MP has stood up for Lyne Independent Rob Oakeshott over allegations he intervened in a government investigation into one of his long-time political donors.

    The Australian newspaper is reporting Mr Oakeshott intervened in an Environmental Protection Agency probe into Birdon Marine.

    But the Greens’ David Shoebridge says the real issue toxic chemicals dumped in the Hastings river five years ago.

    “The issue has got to be the extent of the contamination; find out what’s going to be done about it, and why no one’s been held to account to date,” he said.

    “The people of New South Wales really do have the right to know why the prosecution by the EPA was never run, and what on earth the EPA is doing on our behalf right now.”

    Mr Shoebridge says the newspaper has completely missed the point.

    “The article misfired, attacking a local member for getting interested in a local issue is really not the point here.”

    The question is why would you believe them. They don’t seem very impartial in their reporting.

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