Open Forum: July 9, 2011

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  1. Quentin George

    You mean Rupert Murdoch doesn’t spend every morning personally approving every editorial, opinion piece and article in his many newspapers across the English speaking world? You’re such a denialist, JC.

  2. Tal

    The Carbon Tax…over there something pretty

  3. I hope people saw this clip last weekend of the DLP’s new John Lithgow-on-a-bad-day Victorian senator.

  4. JC

    And the digital media too, QS. He doesn’t just approve them, he actually writes them.

    The Australian left are truly fucking brain dead. Do they think someone like me for instance would need da Murdoch to tell me to write something critical about the sloths? Fuck… let me at them.

    The Oz isn’t freaking hard enough on them.

  5. Quentin George

    Kevin Rudd does something laudable but still manages to make it all about himself.

    The Turnbull/Rudd era is probably unique in Australian history for both major parties being led by confirmed narcissists.

  6. Quentin George

    I know Murdoch writes all my comments. It’s a lot easier that way.

  7. C.L.

    Is that Julia on Rudd’s lap?

  8. JC

    You know what.. good on the little turd for doing that. At least he got something right once in his political life.

  9. Gabrielle

    Is that Julia on Rudd’s lap?

    If you were a female, Steve would call that a bitchy comment.

  10. Infidel Tiger

    Steve, you reprehensible, science denying, moon unit. Study after study has shown that boys are much better off being educated in single sex schools.

  11. I’m sure society will revert to the educational standards of the dark ages if boys and girls always went to high school together, IT.

    Did you go to a boy’s high school? I can’t remember if you have said before or not.

  12. Infidel Tiger

    You mean Rupert Murdoch doesn’t spend every morning personally approving every editorial, opinion piece and article in his many newspapers across the English speaking world? You’re such a denialist, JC

    .

    Murdoch writes the canteen menu everyday and does a stocktake of Doris the tea lady’s biscuits every evening.

  13. m0nty

    The Turnbull/Rudd era is probably unique in Australian history for both major parties being led by confirmed narcissists.

    Hawke/Peacock.

  14. C.L.

    I also welcome Rudd’s move. I’ve always praised him when he has done the right thing – as he did with Bill Henson as well.

    The tragedy is the low bar factor. We now praise politicians for not supporting mini-Kristallnachts.

    How did it come to this?

    Any explanations, lefties?

  15. Infidel Tiger

    I’m sure society will revert to the educational standards of the dark ages if boys and girls always went to high school together, IT.

    Traditionally the sexes were always educated separately.

    Did you go to a boy’s high school?

    I had 8 Years of private education at an all boys school. In hindsight my father should have invested the money and given it to me on my 18th.

  16. C.L.

    I’m sure society will revert to the educational standards of the dark ages if boys and girls always went to high school together, IT.

    If only. I suggest you correct your clumsy, cliche-ridden understanding of historiography, Steve.

    Begin here, my son.

  17. Gabrielle

    I’m sure society will revert to the educational standards of the dark ages

    You mean girls would no longer be sent to school?

  18. Michael Sutcliffe

    Hey, IT, I’m weighing up the benefits of public vs private now for my sons. While the notion of sending them to a private boys school is appealing – primarily because I think it will maximise his chances to be able to pick on pathetic dweeb outsiders like Steve, and destroy their self-confidence through never ceasing belittlement of someone who couldn’t stand up for anything, like what happened to Steve – I’m not able to get any idea of the extra value. Particularly because I’m a shit public school guy from beginning to end.

    Are you serious about the 18th bit? Do you not feel it was worth the money your folks paid?

  19. C.L.

    The other thing that occurred to me about Keating’s sudden appearance: isn’t it funny that whenever our damsel is in distress, a strong man like Hawkie or Captain Wacky appears to hail her ‘leadership’ and muscle up to Tony Abbott?

    Thatcher or Palin wouldn’t do this in a hundred years.

  20. tbh

    My kids will be going private if we can afford it, because we’ve lost faith in the government school system unless you live in the zone for one of the top class state high schools (there are about six of them in Perth). We don’t and don’t want to move from where we live now. Fortunately, there is a choice of about five very good private schools within about 5km’s of us.

    Every state school teacher I know sends their kids to a private school.

  21. Infidel Tiger

    Are you serious about the 18th bit? Do you not feel it was worth the money your folks paid?

    Looking back I’m very glad Dad forked out what is a small fortune. I wasn’t academically minded, but I certainly took advantage of other pursuits such as cricket, rugby, football, cadets etc. There was also the opportunities to drama, metal work, wood work and a myriad of other things. It’s a damn shame I wasn’t smart because apparently some of the teachers where I went were quite good.

    I’ll be doing all I can to make sure any of my sprogs don’t have to go to the government child warping factories.

  22. coz

    I went to co-ed schools – would you have guessed?

  23. Michael Sutcliffe

    Sounds good. I also like the peace of mind of knowing I’m paying for a decent effort on behalf of the school and I have a right to expect it is delivered. Unlike my experience of the public system both as a child and a parent.

  24. JC

    Private schools have also been panzified and the quality of the teaching is that great either.

  25. coz

    state schools even, but it was a lower propaganda era then.

  26. coz

    …these days i’d be ‘unschooling’ if i had kids.

  27. steve from brisbane

    Wanting to see me assaulted; or imagining that I have led a life on the receiving end of physical assaults, is a common theme here. Odd. Says more about you than it does me…

  28. JC

    oops .. isn’t that great….

  29. Gabrielle

    Wanting to see me assaulted;…Says more about you than it does me…

    Just like the time you said you wanted to “slap me in the face”, Steve. That said volumes about you.

  30. I forget the context now, Gab. Of course, Tal wanted to do the same to Julia tonight, but never mind!

  31. JC

    Really, he said he wanted the slap you in the face?

    What a crud of a man. Nothing worse than a male speaking violence to a woman.

    Unbelievable.

  32. Well I must go to bed. Do try and be more sensible tomorrow everyone, and I will find you less distracting.

  33. coz

    yeah i remember how the private school kids go wild over you if you went to a state school, like they’ve already checked each other out at those school socials where they finally get to mix with the other sex after all the homos have ‘schooled’ them, but we knew that it must be pretty horrific, that life, by the urgency by which they wanted to flee it.

  34. C.L.

    Ni-ni, Steve, you old slapper.

  35. Gabrielle

    Really, he said he wanted the slap you in the face?

    Yes he did. It was a few months ago and I remember being quite stunned by his comment.

  36. JC

    What a mendacious, venomous troll he is.

  37. coz

    I should be goin ta bed too, it’s freezing.

    here’s a song your you private school types.

  38. JC

    absolute must see.

    Seriously, who beats the Americans at this stuff. Amazing.

  39. C.L.

    Oh come on, JC.

    That’s not REAL!!

    FM.

  40. JC

    This isn’t working out for them like they thought, CL. They figured they could do a Clinton and then blame the GOP Congress and they win again.

    Not this time though.

    I don’t believe it would be a disaster, but say the US went into default and the US economy slowed down as a result.. say all the worst things happen and things get worse.

    So the Demolitionists think they can walk into the next election with Obozo as the candidate, blame the GOP for making things worse and they win. They would win because the punters would refuse to think of a change at the top because…. he made things worse.

    Good luck with that strategy.

    What a bunch of morons.

    Cantor is a good guy and a real alec. I bet he just gets to them.

  41. Gabrielle

    It looks very similar to laser sintering, JC, which has been around for yonks. The addition of metal particulates to the base polymer mix means that articles such as a wrench can be produced and it can be used. I’ve seen engine parts made from laser sintering and work tools.

  42. JC

    The implications of the 3D printer are absolutely enormous. That’s 1st or so generation. Think of the implications vis a vis manufacturing 10 generations down the line, which could be a few years down the line.

    All you require is the blue print and the “printer” makes shit up for you as a perfect copy and in different or the same material.

    This will revolutionize manufacturing to the point where goods cost fractions in the dollar to produce compared to now.

  43. JC

    Gab:

    This means the whole kip and caboodle can be made with one blue print from the start to finish.

  44. Fleeced

    I saw earlier versions of this displayed years ago, but this seems more advanced. There was even some speculation that they’ll one day be able to “print” replacement organs for people… I suspect that’d be a whiles away though 🙂

  45. Fleeced

    This means the whole kip and caboodle can be made with one blue print from the start to finish

    China might be somewhat put out…

  46. Gabrielle

    That’s how laser sintering works now. the 3D printer is based on this technology. You can get working items now but the cost is prohibitive and LS is time consuming. If the 3D printer has overcome these barriers then it will make a motza.

    Trouble is, metals are still cheaper than fancy polymer blends which mimic the strength and durability of metal.

  47. Fleeced

    Sweet:

    TONY ABBOTT says he will call a double dissolution election if he wins power and Labor and the Greens combine in the Senate to stop him from repealing the carbon tax.

    A good move to make this claim… I had worried that a DD would be problematic, since voters might get annoyed at yet another election (assuming they would have just had one to get him in)

    But promising it up-front gives him a mandate for a DD.

  48. JC

    Fleeced:

    This looks pretty fucking amazing to me. The dude walked in with a wrench. Laid it on a photo copy type contraption and he had a replica made up in a different but adequate type material.

    The implications of this shit are pretty amazing.

    But Hey Australia.. let’s focus on glimate change for the next fucking 5 years and tax ourselves to oblivion. Meanwhile stuff like 3D printers are being developed that revolutionize manufacturing processes.

    I can’t fucking believe it.

  49. Gabrielle

    “print” replacement organs for people

    Someone recently had their oesophagus (?) transplanted by using a polymer framework which could have been LS’d. Stem cells were used to grow tissue over the frame and voila! transplanted into the patient. Pretty amazing stuff.

  50. C.L.

    Star Trek replicator here we come.

    All we need now is warp.

  51. Fleeced

    The dude walked in with a wrench. Laid it on a photo copy type contraption and he had a replica made up in a different but adequate type material.

    I suspect that was edited somewhat and required a bit more involvement (which is perhaps why some on youtube declare it fake), but yes, it’s still pretty cool.

  52. JC

    That’s how laser sintering works now. the 3D printer is based on this technology. You can get working items now but the cost is prohibitive and LS is time consuming.

    Will only get cheaper once they’ve fundamentally cracked the technology, which they appear to have done so. It will get cheaper and superior by miles.

    If the 3D printer has overcome these barriers then it will make a motza.

    And goods will collapse in price.

    Trouble is, metals are still cheaper than fancy polymer blends which mimic the strength and durability of metal.

    Think what nanotach can do to manipulate the structure of materials being used. You may not need a steel wrench say if the nano material is of equal or harder substance.

    This is amazing.

  53. C.L.

    Yeah, it’s a good move, Fleeced. Say it now, mean it and get it on record.

    —————————————

    The New York Times is reporting it and the White House isn’t denying it…

    Ann Althouse’s first commenter sums up what it means:

    He’s a fucking liar. Using his dead mother makes him a despicable fucking liar.

    althouse Obama lied about a central fact about his own life which he used to push health care reform.

  54. JC

    I suspect that was edited somewhat and required a bit more involvement (which is perhaps why some on youtube declare it fake

    they did say it took around 1 1/2 hours. Okay that’s a start and certainly isn’t economic now.

  55. Fleeced

    And transporters

    Nah, you’d be killing yourself and creating a copy.

  56. Gabrielle

    We have this argument before, Fleeced. It’s not a copy.

  57. Fleeced

    Yes, and you were wrong then, too. If it’s not creating a copy, how come their were two Rikers?

  58. Gabrielle

    Fracture in the space-time continuum.

  59. C.L.

    Just did a Google news search for 3D printer.

    This from June in the WSJ:

    For geeks it has to be the ultimate DIY project. A build-it-yourself, entirely open-source 3D printer. And here is the clever thing about it, not only is it an open source project, but it is self-replicating; you can use your 3D printer to print yourself another 3D printer.

    Called RepRap, it has more than an air of Heath Robinson about it, with its open circuit boards, gears and worm drives. But it is a fully functioning 3D printer, which you can build yourself, for less than £500.

    Dr. Adrian Bowyer, from the Department of Mechanical Engineering at the University of Bath, is the man behind it. At yesterday’s glittering Founders Forum, a gathering of the start up elite, Dr. Bowyer rather stood out.

    Among the stellar guest list (which apart from a who’s who of CEOs included people as diverse as Prince Andrew, Dr. Brian Cox and television presenter Davina McCall) of the typically young and sharply dressed, Dr. Bowyer, who admitted to being not quite the wrong side of 60, and dressed as befits his profession, charmed this tough crowd with his presentation. After the talk he had many of Europe’s elite crowding around him.

    RTWT.

    A REAL scientist.

  60. Fleeced

    Downloading your brain wouldn’t work for same reason – it would just be a copy. Now, cybernetic enhancements, on the other hand… you can gradually add bits to your brain power, and replace failing organs… eventually there will come a point where you realise you’re all robot – but you’ll have maintained continuity of self, so you’ll still be alive.

  61. Fleeced

    you can use your 3D printer to print yourself another 3D printer.

    And then there was the war with the replicators…

  62. Gabrielle

    Fleeced, you need to stop watching Terminator movies.

  63. Fleeced

    The replicators were Stargate 🙂

    But yeah, I should probably ease up on the sci-fi…

  64. Gabrielle

    Get yourself a copy of this if you haven’t already.

    Don’t recall replicators in Stargate, but if you say so.

  65. JC

    RTWT.

    A REAL scientist.

    hahahhahahahahahahahhahaha No, Ian Chubby and Tim Flannery are. They are the best scientist Labor can buy.

    (Get them the f..k out of here.)

    I reckon we ought to go back to the old fashioned way of looking at a scientist. You say you’re a scientist.. Fair enough, so show us what you’ve created or new idea you’ve come up with that works.

  66. m0nty

    TONY ABBOTT says he will call a double dissolution election if he wins power and Labor and the Greens combine in the Senate to stop him from repealing the carbon tax.

    Vote for me! And then vote for me again!

    Every time you think Abbott can’t be that dumb, he embraces the dumb option like a long-lost brother. He’s in an invidious position with six years of a Green Senate, but the public won’t cop a DD unless the carbon tax is a humongous GFC-style disaster. The public just delivered the Greens their best electoral result in history.

  67. C.L.

    Well well well…

    The Age accused of hacking hypocrisy.

    THE editor-in-chief of The Age, Paul Ramadge, has refused to detail his personal involvement in the newspaper’s unauthorised access of an ALP database now being examined by the Australian Federal Police.

    The Australian understands the AFP is considering whether to launch a formal investigation into The Age’s conduct, after receiving a complaint from the Victorian branch of the Labor Party.

    Barrister Peter Faris QC, one of a group of high-profile Victorians whose personal details were accessed through the database by The Age, described the newspaper’s actions as “very close to corruption and criminal conduct.”

    “The Age has covered up this incident and it is a bit rich that they now lead the charge to criticise the Murdoch press in Australia,” he writes in The Australian today.

  68. Gabrielle

    You’re so negative, M5nty. Always with the “no” or “can’t do”.

  69. Fleeced

    Don’t recall replicators in Stargate, but if you say so.

    In the SG-1 tv series, not the movie.

  70. Gabrielle

    “The Age has covered up this incident and it is a bit rich that they now lead the charge to criticise the Murdoch press in Australia,” he writes in The Australian today.

    Like I said earlier, where was all the hue and cry over this hacking incident. A few mentions and then nothing. No outrage, all went quiet.

    Chickens come home to roost.

  71. C.L.

    Well well well #2:

    Ferguson says ABC lobbied on tender.

    MARTIN Ferguson has publicly contradicted ABC managing director Mark Scott’s version of a phone call between the pair, declaring it was obvious the media executive was inappropriately lobbying a cabinet minister…

    Two former Coalition communications ministers said yesterday they had never been inappropriately lobbied by the ABC when they were in the job…

    [No, I bet – Ed].

    Mr Ferguson told The Australian he regarded the phone call from Mr Scott when he was at a ministerial council meeting in Perth, as highly inappropriate.

    “Obviously, I cannot talk about cabinet processes, but you ask me specifically if I was contacted by the CEO of the ABC. I can confirm I was,” Mr Ferguson said.

    “I regarded it as inappropriate because there was a tender process under way, and I told him so. I also indicated to him that his own agency, the ABC, would hound out of office any minister who sought to interfere with a tender process, to determine it by political considerations.

    “I told him in no uncertain terms that was my view in the course of the telephone discussion.

    “I regarded it as inappropriate. I am not the responsible minister for the CEO of the ABC (to have dealings with). I didn’t think it was appropriate that he contacted me about confidential cabinet processes.”

  72. JC

    The public just delivered the Greens their best electoral result in history.

    And the public wasn’t sure what they were buying.

    But no matter. Labor shrinks more to make room for the libs. That’s all. Piece of cake MontY.

    What you’re talking about is all delusional hope, you twit. It was only a few years ago the Labor party was threatening the libs with a DD if they didn’t reverse Workchoices and at that time the Little turds polls were going up while libs were heading down.

    There’s certainly stomach in punter land to go back to the polls to rub out a bad law and the party trying to stop the bad law from being extinguished.

    You are such a partisan boofhead, MontY.

  73. Gabrielle

    Oh I remember they were the machines that ate metal.

  74. Fleeced

    Yep, that’s them… spidery like creatures (at least until they had them develop intelligence, and turn into humanoids – which wrecked a perfectly amoral villain)

  75. Gabrielle

    And the public wasn’t sure what they were buying.

    Because the Greens never received any media scrutiny before the election. And now that they’re more exposed, Brown is squealing like a stuck pig.

  76. C.L.

    Like I said above, the Appleby Principle (don’t go opening inquiries when you don’t know what they’ll dredge up) has been shelved in the left’s spluttering, barking mad rush to attack da Murdoch. So bring it on. Let’s not rest until Fairfax and ABC executives are frog-marched from their offices in handcuffs.

  77. Gabrielle

    Yeah they went too far with that storyline. Still, SG-1 was the best series out of the stable of SG.

  78. C.L.

    Vote for me! And then vote for me again!

    Julia’s version:

    Didn’t vote for me! Didn’t vote for me again!

  79. JC

    Well well well #2:

    Ferguson says ABC lobbied on tender.

    MARTIN Ferguson has publicly contradicted ABC managing director Mark Scott’s version of a phone call between the pair, declaring it was obvious the media executive was inappropriately lobbying a cabinet minister…

    I honestly don’t get this. Why are the ALP trashing the ABC over this when the ALP obviously receive sthe best ‘service” from them?

    I mean these are the exact sorts of backroom deals Labor do so i can’t imagine they suddenly found religion.

    Perhaps they are trying to rid the top management and stick in their own people.

    Fatty Roxon was one of the two who said she was approached by the ABC top brass to interfere and help influence the tender.

    If I may be so ungentlemanly, I’ll personally remove my own ear with a blunt knife before I believe Fatty Roxon suddenly had a religious experience and found political ethics. It ain’t gunna happen.

    So the story must be that they were handed the opportunity to possibly remove Scott and stick a more Labor fucker in the top seat at the ABC… as though Scott wasn’t leftwing enough.

  80. JC

    Can anyone think of any possible reason why Ferguson and Fatty Roxon would rat on the ABC management.

    Note to leftwingers:

    If any of you lefties are thinking of replying suggesting that these two were suddenly touched by God to became more ethical… don’t even bother wasting the fucking pixels. Get it completely out of your heads.

  81. Gabrielle

    Can anyone think of any possible reason why Ferguson and Fatty Roxon would rat on the ABC management.

    Your Scott scenario sounds feasible.

    Other consideration is tactical damage control. The ALP knew the tender process was a shambolic mess, Scott calls and Fergo/Roxon think over his proposal. Murdoch is suddenly out of the process and ABC gets the contract until Feb 2012. Hits the news and embarrassment all round for ALP/ABC, not to mention unethical dealings.

    Damage control: speak up first pointing the finger at Scott who is hung out to dry. The fall guy.
    Roxon/Fergo surface smelling like roses.
    Anyway, that’s my take on the matter.

  82. Gabrielle

    Greens advertising.

    Bolt: How suicidal is Labor? Julia Gillard’s offer to the Greens of a $10 billion renewable energy fund lets the Greens put up this poster at Melbourne’s busiest intersection to persuade Labor voters to switch parties.

    Reminds me of Two-Headed Snake Fights With Self Over Food

  83. JC

    I am not suggesting that The Age’s hacking and the London scandal are equivalent. They are not. But the conduct of The Age , by hacking into a political database and then covering up its conduct, shows that Australian journalists are not immune from disgraceful conduct.

    Peter Faris QC is a Melbourne criminal barrister and media commentator

    lol… haven’t I always said the left are not self aware. So The Age goes after News Corp with this hanging over their heads?

    Are there any adults at Fairfax or are they hiring from the kindergartens violating child labor laws?

    You’d think with this thing over their moronic heads they would stay quiet. But no they couldn’t and the boomerang hits them straight between the eyes.

    Amazing.

  84. JC

    WASHINGTON–President Obama returns to Chicago on Aug. 3 to mark his 50th birthday with fund-raisers at the Aragon Ballroom, with tickets ranging from $50 a person to $35,800 per couple, which includes VIP seating at a “Birthday Concert” where celebs will be performing and a dinner with the president

    Why is August 3rd significant? That’s the day the US goes into default. The Loan ceiling expires on that day.

  85. Scott

    I’m sure Barry will be able to make it back to DC in time to throw the switch on a few hundred shiny new note printers.

  86. Carbon tax plan to hit bus, train commuters

    COMMUTERS could be hit with public transport fare increases of up to $150 a year when the carbon tax kicks in, confidential state government figures show.

    Yep, those so-so-smart people in Canberra really thought this one through. Page 95 of RailCorp’s annual report – bulk electricity purchases last year were $71 million (up from $53 million the year before). Traction fuel costs – $24 million (down from $28 million).

  87. Infidel Tiger

    James Dellingpole has seen the future and it’s fantastic!

  88. jtfsoon

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle …

    http://graemebird.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/what-do-we-know-about-mars/#comment-36249

    I never thought Adrien was a bad fellow. Just socially maladapted.

  89. For Jason in particular:

    Lambert has a post against the Greenpeace wheat cutting stunt of yesterday, but there follows a lively discussion between some of his readers who have reservations about GM food and plants, for the types of reasons I have alluded to previously here.

    Most of them, nonetheless, criticise Greenpeace generally, and for this act in particular.

    In short: intelligent people can have misgivings about GM, and are not (all) anti-science nutters for doing so.

  90. jtfsoon

    Next CIS event at the Sydney Masonic Centre

    http://menzieshouse.typepad.com/.a/6a012876778d82970c015433b86384970c-pi

    After speech drinks to follow

  91. Michael Sutcliffe

    The Australian Energy Market Operator admits the wellbeing and quality of life of Australians is no longer in its charter:

    “Do I have to take into consideration the impact of all this on prices for consumers?

    “I’ll get in trouble answering a question like that but, to be honest, the decision to approve closures are limited to whether the new technology works and is able to maintain the security of supply.

    “There would be no consideration of what it would do to prices for consumers.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/carbon-plan/coal-fired-power-plants-will-be-closed-regardless-of-cost/story-fn99tjf2-1226094900610

  92. daddy dave

    In short: intelligent people can have misgivings about GM, and are not (all) anti-science nutters for doing so.

    Steve, I drew the opposite conclusion, in Lambert’s favour.
    Intelligent people oppose the anti-science nuttery of the GM scare campaign, even if they disagree about climate change.

  93. jtfsoon

    Kudos to Lambert for writing that at least.

  94. TBH

    There was an Adelaide Uni scientist talking about the Greenpeace stunt this morning and he basically accused them of being quasi-religious ignorant nut-bars. Yep.

  95. Infidel Tiger

    he basically accused them of being quasi-religious ignorant nut-bars

    That’s our Steve.

  96. The extent of your interest in science, IT, seems to be limited to what horse feed makes them more likely to be a winner at your local racecourse.

  97. Infidel Tiger

    That’s a damn lie. I’m also very interested in brewing, fermenting and distilling.

  98. Infidel Tiger

    The least interesting thing in the world is global warming science. If we hadn’t wasted the last 2 decades blowing hundreds of billions on that baloney we’d probably be zipping around in hover cars and have a cure for cancer and the common cold.

    The opportunity cost of this scam must be staggering.

  99. To complain generically about people who question aspects of GM as all being anti-science nutters is about as logical as saying that doctors who have been warning about overuse of antibiotics having adverse long term consequences for resistance are all anti science ninnies.

  100. TBH

    It is possible to have some reservations about GM food and not be a nut-bar. I am not 100% convinced myself, but am happy for the science to progress as these things normally would. People who go and vandalise experiments are, on the other hand, nut-bars. They are uninterested in any of the positive possibilities of GM food and have made up their mind that the world needs to be rid of it. In ye olde times, they used to run around and smash up machinery in factories.

  101. By the way, I was listening to local ABC radio a short time ago, and they were speaking to people who went to Abbott’s public forum in Brisbane last night.

    The audience were supposed to be people who hadn’t decided definitely on a carbon tax, but clearly most had.

    Of particular note was one pensioner guy who said he hadn’t decided because Abbott was also wrong to be doing anything about CO2. What was the point, he said, when the Pinatubo eruption had put out more CO2 than humans ever had over the whole of history.

    There is a profound ignorance out in a substantial part of the community, feed by a skeptic echo chamber, on the science of CO2.

  102. (The host, by the way, just let this stupid claim slide: whether she knew it was wrong or not was not clear. Maybe she just believed it was best to be polite to a pensioner. Meanwhile, some other pensioner probably thought “oh, is that right? How silly is Gillard then?”)

  103. Infidel Tiger

    There were also people at the Abbott forum who thought we could replace coal fired power stations with solar panels and windmills. Funnily enough they were also anti-nuclear. That is a far more stunning ignorance.

  104. The extent to which renewables can replace coal, and at what rate, is a matter of legitimate engineering/science dispute, with quite a lot of practical uncertainty.

    The extent to which volcanoes contribute to CO2 is well understood; Plimer is out on a complete limb on his own on this. Yet this complete furphy is influencing the debate.

  105. jtfsoon

    Steve
    Should someone who was around during the Moon landing be so ageist?

  106. C.L.

    The Australian left: the best and the brightest…

    We can laugh, but this meme has escaped. I heard a woman on ABC talkback assert, without contradiction from the host, that if we didn’t stop emitting carbon dioxide, her children would not be able to breath.

  107. C.L.

    Should someone who was around during the Moon landing be so ageist?

    LOL. I keep thinking it was Gagarin he remembers, for some reason. The more he writes about the weather, the more he comes across as a little old man in a cardigan talking about how Mother sent him to school in mittens.

  108. Infidel Tiger

    Moon landing? Steve used to gather the family around the wireless in fear of the Huns V-2 Rockets.

  109. C.L.

    Letter to the editor in the Age:

    HOW many of us are so selfish that the first questions we ask when confronted with change, are along the lines of: why should I have to pay a carbon tax?…

    Did our forefathers question why they should fight Nazism and fascism? No, they put aside petty arguments and self-serving questions and went off to fight the enemy. Not because they wanted to, but because it was the right thing to do. Today, we are fighting a different and infinitely more dangerous enemy – global warming. This enemy will kill millions of people through famine, flood, drought and other disasters, unless we start fighting it now.

    Deaths so far: 4 (pink batts).

  110. Infidel Tiger

    Today, we are fighting a different and infinitely more dangerous enemy – global warming.

    Tonight I will shoot a warmenist. We all must do our bit.

  111. C.L.

    Gallop – 47 plays 39: Little known GOP hopeful, Mr Jen Eric Republican, now eight points ahead of Obama.

  112. Recent comment by Pope Benedict:

    Benedict also said it was necessary to end “the aggressive way we have dominated” the environment over the past decades.

    “Countless numbers of people in the poorest nations are suffering from poverty. But in the richest nations there are dissatisfied men and women, even depression illnesses,” he added.

    Just like to point these out for when CL, and any other Catholic here, likes to crap on about how appalling Clive Hamilton and his ilk can be when they say very, very similar things.

  113. C.L.

    Lovers of Campbell Report plagiarist Paul Keating should take note that he backs Bob Brown on a press crackdown. I wonder why. Shoot the messenger syndrome, maybe?

    Marriage ended over dinner.

    Paul Keating’s daughter threatens to kill Sydney photographer.

    Keating’s son charged with assault.

    What a bunch of banjo-playing hillbillies.

  114. C.L.

    Lovers of Campbell Report plagiarist Paul Keating should take note that he backs Bob Brown on a press crackdown. I wonder why. Shoot the messenger syndrome, maybe?

    Paul Keating’s daughter threatens to kill Sydney photographer.

    Keating’s son charged with assault.

    What a bunch of banjo-playing hillbillies.

  115. Michael Sutcliffe

    Did our forefathers question why they should fight Nazism and fascism? No, they put aside petty arguments and self-serving questions and went off to fight the enemy.

    I wonder if ole’ mate feels the same way about the War on Terror?

  116. C.L.

    Spain brought its abortion laws in line with most other European countries last July allowing abortion on demand up to 14 weeks of pregnancy and up to 22 weeks if there is fetal malformation or threat to the health of the mother…

    Since winning power in 2004 his government has legalised homosexual marriage, eased divorce laws and dropped religious education from the curriculum in public schools.

    Pope Benedict XVI launched an implicit attack on the reforms when he visited Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia last November warning of a “strong and aggressive secularism” that was undermining traditional family values.

    Sorry, Steve. The pope’s view of ecology was made clear in his statement to the Brazilian bishops:

    …without a clear defence of human life from conception until natural death; without a defence of the family founded on marriage between a man and a woman; without an authentic defence of those excluded and marginalised by society, not overlooking, in this context, those who have lost everything in natural calamities, we will never be able to speak of authentic protection of the environment.

    I agree with the pope’s holistic view.

    Such a shame avowed abortion supporters like you, Clive Hamilton and Julia Gillard stand against good Pope Benedict.

    But thanks. Watching you pretend to be a Catholic has become one of my favourite Catallaxian pastimes.

  117. JC

    Stave

    stop pretending. you are not a Catholic and never were.

  118. Infidel Tiger

    This is one of the funniest things I’ve seen:

    Come work in cosmopolitan, vibrant, Canberra!.

  119. CL, by your oft repeated argument, the Pope would have no problem with a factory, say, poisoning a river and depriving poor villagers downstream of food or a livelihood, if the country it was in allows legal abortion.

    Get real, and stop pretending the Catholic view is that environmental concern is all for nothing if you don’t stop legal abortion. (Which, incidentally, Catholic Abbott won’t do. In which case, I guess I should feel free to dump a pile of faeces on your front lawn.)

  120. No Worries

    Sob is very active today.
    Oh, I see – it’s full moon again.

  121. Gabrielle

    If we ignore Steve will he go away?

  122. Infidel Tiger

    If we ignore Steve will he go away?

    Doesn’t work with crabs.

  123. Gabrielle

    Gillard’s old school burnt overnight after she referred to the school in her “Please like me I’m just a shy girl” speech.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/suspicious-fire-at-julia-gillards-old-high-school/story-e6frf7jx-1226095153248

  124. JC

    Just like to point these out for when CL, and any other Catholic here, likes to crap on about how appalling Clive Hamilton and his ilk can be when they say very, very similar thing

    The Pope has called for children to abuse their parents if they work for a mining company.

    The pope has urged for Greenpeace like tactics that we just saw where a crop was destroyed through terror tactics.

    The pope has suggested suspension of democratic liberties because of AGW.

    Hang on, no he hasn’t. That was the bald twerp, ethics professor and Greens candidate, Happy Hamilton.

    Yea,stave, you deceitful turd.

  125. No Worries

    If we ignore Steve will he go away?

    Redundant question. If he’s truly ignored, his presence or lack there of, will be irrelevant.

  126. I can’t be ignored, because of the compelling points I make.

  127. JC

    If sinc had a mind to it, you ought to be banned and told never to come within 50 miles of here. I hope to convince him some time. I never lose hope as I’m an optimist by nature.

  128. Gabrielle

    Who are you talking to, JC?

  129. Infidel Tiger

    I enjoy Steve’s contributions. Always nice to get the wowser take on things.

  130. C.L.

    Steve, didn’t you recently denounce the pope as a “hypocrite” when I informed you that his last vehicular acquisition was a V8 Volvo SUV?

    …the Pope would have no problem with a factory, say, poisoning a river and depriving poor villagers downstream of food or a livelihood, if the country it was in allows legal abortion.

    No, he opposes both.

    ?

    Weirdest Steve mooning moment in, oh, a half hour.

    …stop pretending the Catholic view is that environmental concern is all for nothing if you don’t stop legal abortion.

    That’s not my view. It’s the pope’s:

    …without a clear defence of human life from conception until natural death; without a defence of the family founded on marriage between a man and a woman; without an authentic defence of those excluded and marginalised by society, not overlooking, in this context, those who have lost everything in natural calamities, we will never be able to speak of authentic protection of the environment.

    Sorry, you’re at odds with the pope. Which must worry you as a devout pretend Catholic.

  131. daddy dave

    What a bunch of banjo-playing hillbillies.

    You got somethin’ ginst banjo-playing hillbillies, CL? Some of my best friends…

  132. Jc

    Stave, of couse .Who else.

  133. C.L.

    Swamped by foreigners: Australia’s Pauline Hanson-influenced actors are still angry, reports Tim Blair (hilariously).

  134. Infidel Tiger

    The google search bar on Steve’s computer must be an interesting place. Runs the gamut from from the catechisms to pre-op trannies.

  135. Full of self contradiction, that last comment, CL. Of course the Pope wants to see both abortion end, and a serious effort to reduce CO2.

    But he does not pre-condition action on CO2 or other forms of pollution on every country first agreeing that abortion needs to be illegal.

  136. C.L.

    One of those thespian luvvies complains that she only get paid when she’s working.

    LOL.

  137. C.L.

    Of course the Pope wants to see both abortion end, and a serious effort to reduce CO2.

    Maybe so, Steve, but only abortion is a matter of Catholic dogma. There is no Catholic dogma on ‘global warming.’ Catholics are free to make up their own minds. You have this arse backwards. You recently voiced your support for abortion.

    Naughty pretend Catholic. You need to attend pretend confession and make a pretend Novena.

  138. This will be compelling TV. Somehow I don’t think he’ll be able to do a Packer with the committee, though:

    Mr Murdoch and his son James early today bowed to pressure from the British parliament and agreed to appear next Tuesday before a committee of British MPs to face questions about the phone hacking scandal which has engulfed News Corporation and closed its News of the World newspaper.

  139. You recently voiced your support for abortion.

    Where?

  140. Infidel Tiger

    Read this guff from one of Rudd/Gillard governments speechwriters:

    Meanwhile, under the influence of the Tea Party, Kansas voted last November to make gun ownership a constitutional right. It’s not the kind of issue that will build a better future – but it was clever politics. Kansas embraced it lock, stock and barrel, 88 to 12 per cent. The Tea Party militancy of states such as Kansas is now infecting Australia’s Coalition parties and many opinion makers – parochial, inward-looking and uninterested in the economics of the future.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/mature-debate-on-our-future-needed-not-tea-partystyle-militancy-20110714-1hfra.html

  141. C.L.

    Here’s a picture of Pope Benedict taking delivery of his new Volvo V8. Not everyone gets the European head of Volvo Corporation to hand over the keys.

  142. Infidel Tiger

    This will be compelling TV. Somehow I don’t think he’ll be able to do a Packer with the committee, though:

    Steve’s love affair with fascism grows ever stronger.

  143. C.L.

    Peter Costello reports from Europe and the US, mocking the irrelevance of the now dying warming cult:

    I can confidently say that when I was in Europe I did not read of any other country being so moved by our government’s new tax on carbon dioxide as to embrace measures to harm their own industries. At the meetings I had with investment managers in the US no one seemed to think there was any chance the US would adopt a cap-and-trade or emissions trading scheme. I caught up separately with Condoleezza Rice and Sandy Berger (National Security Advisors in opposing administrations). Neither thought there was any chance of their party going down a path like that!

  144. Gabrielle

    Published in the Journal Of Science, scientists have worked out exactly how much carbon dioxide is being absorbed by the world’s forests and are amazed at the 33 percent absorption rate. CSIRO is stunned.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-15/forests-absorb-a-third-of-fossil-fuel-carbon/2795884

  145. C.L.

    Popular Julian:

    Last weekend Assange hosted a lavish 40th birthday party at the mansion he is staying in. The guest list reportedly included Oprah Winfrey, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Johnny Depp and US Vogue editor Anna Wintour, but none are believed to have turned up.

    “You can charter a private plane to Norwich International Airport which has a private air strip and is a half-hour taxi journey from Ellingham Hall, or alternatively you can land helicopters on the Ellingham Hall property on the field in the north-west quadrant of this map,” read the invitation to the bash.

    The Guardian reported about 100 people attended the party in a massive marquee set up at the mansion but there were no reports of planes, helicopters or celebrities.

    “Heading back to London after party in Norfolk. No sign of Branjelina or any helicopters,” tweeted activist Ryan Gallagher, who attended the bash.

    LOL.

  146. Gabrielle

    LOL. Blair:

    Equity members will gather at the Sydney Theatre Company’s Wharf 1 on Sunday …

    An ideal gathering place. They’ll be able to repel foreign actors as their vessels advance on the mainland. Secure the perimeter!

  147. C.L.

    CSIRO backs Abbott.

    The science is settled!

  148. Dangph

    One of those thespian luvvies complains

    The correct term is a luvvie darling.

  149. coz

    Those rumours about Keating must be true.

  150. C.L.

    Taxidermists don’t always get it right…

    Get stuffed: The disturbing animals created when taxidermy goes wrong.

    Very funny.

    Via Ace, who adds to the collection with the most disturbing example.

  151. Gabrielle

    most disturbing example.

    Yes. It’s a decarbonised cat after hearing about Gillard’s great big new tax on CO2.

  152. JC

    I guess shale gas/oil is the future.

    Shares of Houston-based oil and natural gas explorer Petrohawk Energy (HK) are up $14.86, or 63%, at $38.35 miner Australian miner BHP Billiton (BHP) this evening said it reached an agreement to acquire the firm for $38.75 per Petrohawk share in cash, or $12.1 billion, plus assumption of Petrohawk debt, for a total consideration of $15 billion.

    Petrohawk’s board unanimously approved the detail, BHP said in a statement released through the Australian Stock Exchange.

    BHP notes in the statement that Petrohawk will provide it with access to 1 million net acres across Texas and Louisiana, in the Eagle Ford and Haynesville shales, and the Permian Basin, with net production estimated this year at 950 million cubic feet equivalent per day or 158,000 oil-equivalent barrels per day.

  153. Adrien

    Damn! There goes my retirement plan. Guess I shoulda paid ’em off.

  154. Adrien

    There is no Catholic dogma on ‘global warming.’

    And if there was?

    The Guardian reported about 100 people attended the party in a massive marquee set up at the mansion but there were no reports of planes, helicopters or celebrities.

    Where does the money come from?

  155. Gabrielle

    Andrew Klavan: just like MSM, he’s waiting for Michele Bachmann to make a gaff.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2011/07/14/koc-michele-bachmann-makes-a-gaffe/

  156. C.L.

    Always good value is Andrew.

  157. Rafe

    Comment submitted to Bob Carr’s blog, in moderation at present.

    Bob, I think Julia is showing the spirit of a U-boat commander in her determination to torpedo the Australian economy. What is your take on this piece by Henry Ergas?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/commentary/fatal-flaw-in-case-for-a-carbon-tax/story-e6frgd0x-1226094872101

  158. C.L.

    Anyone going to defend Captain Wacky for alleging that Evil News Ltd has embarked upon a nation-wide conspiracy to bring about “regime change” in Australia?

    And of course he said this on Tony Jones’s Lateline, formerly hosted by one-time ALP member for Bennelong, Maxine McKew.

  159. coz

    This is about that guy who made the biggest ever single donation to a politican party (greens) and how he benefited financially.

    http://www.vexnews.com/2011/07/how-greens-govern-1-6m-party-donor-makes-6m-thanks-to-greens-political-pressure-tactics/

  160. Infidel Tiger

    I watched Keating last night on Lateline… he really is rather thick. Was this always the case?

    Hopefully there’s a transcript available. One of his claims was that China is going green and the proof was the * lane freeways concecting their cities???

  161. Infidel Tiger

    Also his “political judo chop” line not only doesn’t make sense it’s lamer than a nursing home footy team.

  162. JC

    It’s always a conspiracy theory with the Left. The average punter can’t make up his mind in judging this government to be totally incompetent. They need help from da Murdoch.

    What that left wing loon Tony Jones was insinuating is that people don’t have a right to express themselves freely against a Greens/ALP Alliance.

    As for Flamboyant Bob. We’re way past the stage of debating the prick. The only thing that needs to be said to him is Fuck off Bob.

  163. Gabrielle

    Quality journalism.

    Media Marxists Run Fraudulent Reuters Story but only Reuters admits the error.

    It Pays to Be Murdoch. Just Ask the U.S. Government

    While he can explain how it happened, Reuters columnist David Cay Johnston says “there’s no excuse” for the huge mistake he made Tuesday when he wrote that Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp. had received billions of dollars in tax refunds from the U.S. government in recent years — when in fact it had paid billions of dollars in federal taxes.

    “This is a big screw-up on my part,” he told Morning Edition host Steve Inskeep earlier today..

    http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/07/14/media-marxists-run-fraudulent-reuters-story-only-reuters-issues-correction/

  164. Yes, the tabloid front page coverage of the government’s carbon tax has truly reflected what appears to be a majority of economists think, CL.

    They have presented a very objective examination of the policy, carefully considered the compensation, and looked at the question of the Opposition’s direct action plan and its credibility amongst economists with much vigour.

  165. Infidel Tiger

    Who gives a flying firetruck what the majority of economists think? The majority of voters what an election, you fascist imbecile.

  166. JC

    ….has truly reflected what appears to be a majority of economists think, CL.

    Oh the consensus argument. Fair enough. The consensus is voter land is this government is at record unpopularity and needs to go.

    That’s a pretty decent consensus, you flaming dickhead.

  167. C.L.

    I watched Keating last night on Lateline… he really is rather thick. Was this always the case?

    Yes.

    The World According To Captain Wacky.

  168. We just had an election, IT. Did you miss it?

  169. Gabrielle

    ELECTION NOW 2011

    NATIONAL RALLY CANBERRA

    Tuesday 16th August 2011
    Parliament House
    CANBERRA

    http://joannenova.com.au/2011/07/election-now-national-rally-canberra-tamworth-event/#more-16000

  170. C.L.

    Economists also backed the stimulus.

    Four dead insulation workers can’t be reached for comment.

  171. Infidel Tiger

    We just had an election, IT. Did you miss it?

    So when Tony wins the next election in the biggest landslide in history, he can do as he pleases?

    Could he make abortion illegal, reinstate workchoices, bring in the death penalty and make budgie smugglers compulsory?

  172. jtfsoon

    Clicking on CL’s blog, I didn’t realise his Protestant counterpart Mild Colonial Boy has returned

    http://mildcolonialboy.wordpress.com/

    This is a Reactionary and Ultra-Tory Journal. It supports Order and Hierarchy, The Monarchy, and The Permanent Things against the false ideas of Radicalism, Freemasonic Jacobinism, Egalitarianism, Women Rights Women, Universal Suffrage, Libertinism, and Nihilism.

    It also opposes Whiggery and the Chirping Sectaries of Manchestarian Liberalism which occasionally claim to be “Conservative”.

  173. C.L.

    Royal Commission anyone? (Coz’s link):

    Tasmania has been scandalised by the dodgy Gunns sale process of a woodchip mill to a powerful Greens party millionaire donor at a $6 million discount.

    Graeme Wood – who gave the Greens political party the largest donation ever made in Australian political history with a $1.6 million sling at the last federal election – has got all that back and more as a result of pressure applied by the Greens on the mill sale process.

    Greens politicians and party members have pressured financiers – including the big four banks – into not supporting a bid that competed with Wood’s bid.

    The enviro-radical Wood and his investment partner Jan Cameron (both worth hundreds of millions of dollars) reportedly plan to axe the mill, causing massive job losses in the area.

    Oh, look over there everyone, says Bob, it’s da Murdoch.

  174. JC

    Flamboyant Bob with another idea. He’s talking to the media every couple of minutes now. I get in the car and there’s another discussion on the latest rantings of flamboyant bob.

    GREENS leader Bob Brown has defended his call for News Limited to open up its editorial meetings to more scrutiny, despite his party’s conferences being closed to the media.

    Senator Brown said Greens MPs supported opening up their party conferences – which are closed door events – but the membership opposed it because they wanted to conduct policy debates in private.

    Instead, the Greens leader repeated his call for News Ltd, publisher of The Australian, to open its boardroom and editorial meetings to more public scrutiny.

    He rejected suggestions of hypocrisy, given the Greens’ own party conferences are off limits to the media.

    “The Greens’ conferences are subject to the vote of the membership who feel sometimes shy about speaking up – we politicians don’t,” Senator Brown said in Canberra.

    “The Green MPs are all in favour of it.

    “But, if ordinary members of the party vote to say we want to discuss some policy issues in private that is up to them,” he said.

    “What about opening up the boardrooms of Murdoch – even the daily editorial meetings to public scrutiny – good thing.”

    Unlike the Australian Labor Party, Liberal and National party conferences, which are open to the media but closed for some policy discussions, the Greens do not accredit media to attend their party conferences.

    Public scrutiny of editorial meetings?

    What a disgusting lunatic.

  175. Gabrielle

    Keep talking, Bob. Please.

  176. JC

    He can’t help himself. I think he’s really neurotic.

  177. C.L.

    My old bizarro world nemesis, MCB, is back, eh?

    He’s a good egg for a protestant.

  178. C.L.

    Keep talking, Bob. Please.

    Yes. Dear Bob: we’re very interested in your fascinating ideas and we urge you to go on sharing them with the public at every opportunity.

    Bring Paul Keating with you. The public loves him.

  179. Rococo Liberal

    Steve

    Saving Sinclair, who fives a fornication for what economists think? They are even more useless than climate scientists as finders of fact.

  180. Rococo Liberal

    who gives, not fives

  181. Gabrielle

    So when Tony wins the next election in the biggest landslide in history, he can do as he pleases?

    After he nixes the Carbon Dioxide Tax, can he repeal the ban on incandescent light bulbs? ta.

  182. JC

    Flmaboyant Bob is really very catty. I think he still harbor’s a grudge from the time the Oz editorial ran a piece suggesting it would be a good thing for the country if the Greens party was destroyed at the ballot box.

  183. C.L.

    Who frontman Roger Daltrey, old time Labour, sounds like a sensible bloke:

    We get on to the issue of U2, who recently faced a demonstration at Glastonbury after moving their multimillion-pound company out of Ireland, depriving their suffering country of their tax revenue.

    ‘I find it very interesting that people who spout socialism don’t want to pay for a socialist state. Weird,’ he says. ‘It doesn’t quite add up.’

    When it comes to British politics he has a lot to say. A lifelong Labour voter, he’s disgusted by the last Government. ‘I was appalled at what Labour did to the working class — mass immigration, where people were allowed to come here and undercut our working class,’ says Roger.

    ‘It’s fine to say everybody can come into your country, but everybody should work towards a standard of living expected by people who live here. Not come here, live 20 to a room, pay no tax, send money home and undercut every builder in London. They slaughtered the working class in this country. I hate them for it because it is always the little man who is hurt badly. It’s terrible. It frustrates me.

    ‘We have got to stop pandering to people because we won’t be able to afford to keep this going. At the very least, it should be a pre-requisite that people have to learn English.

    ‘What really made me angry about that period is not that people shouldn’t come here — that’s fine — but you have to make allowances for the strain that is going to put on your social services and they made none.

    ‘Talk about sticking their head up their a***. The arrogance, the audacity. They don’t realise how hard the average man has to work to get that and to pay those taxes.’

    The Tories should not expect Roger to turn to them, however. ‘I’ve become very cynical,’ he says. ‘I don’t see anybody with a pair of balls out of the whole bunch. They are so spineless.’

    He is passionate about everything. There is the NHS, which he has seen at first hand: ‘When you look at how it is run you see there is nobody in charge. Everybody’s been digging trenches for 50, 60 years and now those trenches are so deep its going to be really hard to get any sort of movement.’

  184. The point is, laborites and unionists carried on like ninnies claiming the world was coming to an end soon after the Howard government came in. They also marched on Parliament House in a rather pointless hysterical action when (as I recall) most economists and reputable commentators thought Howard reform in the field was not going to be the end of the world.

    Well, now the shoe is on the other foot. Personally, I doubt the no carbon tax promise was all that influential in the last election; but who knows. Certainly, there were Labor voters who would have been unhappy with her position on a citizens assembly.

    So, those who didn’t vote for her, and some who did, have reason to dislike the change of heart on a carbon tax. But their actual reaction to the policy is being overwhelmed by a populist campaign that is led by a huge amount of disinformation by the truly ignorant and disingenuous on the topic, such as Bolt and every commentator in right wing talk back radio stations in the land.

    Go have your rallies based on it being a nation destroyed end of the world scenario if the policy goes through.

    It’s looking to me that majority opinion from economists, industry and even mining is that it will not be.

  185. coz

    Strange how he’s not attracting parodists, Bob Downe seems such a natural for the job.

  186. Gabrielle

    Steve

    You need to see a therapist about your Bolt Derangement Syndrome. ASAP.

  187. C.L.

    The point is, laborites and unionists carried on like ninnies claiming the world was coming to an end soon after the Howard government came in.

    And they’ve been carrying on the same way since Rudd and Gillard ‘came in.’

    Without a carbon dioxide tax, the world will explode.

    Oh noes!

  188. Tillman

    Definition of chutzpah:

    Steve from Brisbane opining on the carbon tax when he has not lodged a goddamn income tax return since Bob Hawke was PM.

  189. Tillman

    Actually, a carbon tax that raises the price of consumer goods is probably the only way we will ever get any tax paid by bloody Steve so I am all for it.

  190. Oh good you’re here Tillman. I can leave now if you promise to insult CL and anyone who agrees with him on anything.

  191. C.L.

    The man elected by five Tasmanians and in coalition with Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott – as well as unelected ‘prime minister’ Julia Gillard – says Tony Abbott has “perverse view of democracy.”

    Bob Brown says Abbott’s second poll talk madness.

    Abbott owns all of these people, mentally.

    They are flat-out terrified.

  192. Tillman

    Steve, I am here for one reason and one reason only:

    (Yeah, Ah-Ah-Ah-Ah-Ah-Ark)
    Oo-ooh-ooh, hoo yeah, yeah
    Yeah, yeah
    Yeah-ah-ah
    Yeah-ah-ah
    Yeah-ah-ah
    Yeah-ah-ah
    Yeah, yeah, yeah

    Seven a.m., waking up in the morning
    Gotta be fresh, gotta go downstairs
    Gotta have my bowl, gotta have cereal
    Seein’ everything, the time is goin’
    Tickin’ on and on, everybody’s rushin’
    Gotta get down to the bus stop
    Gotta catch my bus, I see my friends (My friends)

    Kickin’ in the front seat
    Sittin’ in the back seat
    Gotta make my mind up
    Which seat can I take?

    It’s Friday, Friday
    Gotta get down on Friday
    Everybody’s lookin’ forward to the weekend, weekend
    Friday, Friday
    Gettin’ down on Friday
    Everybody’s lookin’ forward to the weekend

    Partyin’, partyin’ (Yeah)
    Partyin’, partyin’ (Yeah)
    Fun, fun, fun, fun
    Lookin’ forward to the weekend

    7:45, we’re drivin’ on the highway
    Cruisin’ so fast, I want time to fly
    Fun, fun, think about fun
    You know what it is
    I got this, you got this
    My friend is by my right, ay
    I got this, you got this
    Now you know it

    Kickin’ in the front seat
    Sittin’ in the back seat
    Gotta make my mind up
    Which seat can I take?

    It’s Friday, Friday
    Gotta get down on Friday
    Everybody’s lookin’ forward to the weekend, weekend
    Friday, Friday
    Gettin’ down on Friday
    Everybody’s lookin’ forward to the weekend

    Partyin’, partyin’ (Yeah)
    Partyin’, partyin’ (Yeah)
    Fun, fun, fun, fun
    Lookin’ forward to the weekend

    Yesterday was Thursday, Thursday
    Today i-is Friday, Friday (Partyin’)
    We-we-we so excited
    We so excited
    We gonna have a ball today

    Tomorrow is Saturday
    And Sunday comes after … wards
    I don’t want this weekend to end

    R-B, Rebecca Black
    So chillin’ in the front seat (In the front seat)
    In the back seat (In the back seat)
    I’m drivin’, cruisin’ (Yeah, yeah)
    Fast lanes, switchin’ lanes
    Wit’ a car up on my side (Woo!)
    (C’mon) Passin’ by is a school bus in front of me
    Makes tick tock, tick tock, wanna scream
    Check my time, it’s Friday, it’s a weekend
    We gonna have fun, c’mon, c’mon, y’all

    It’s Friday, Friday
    Gotta get down on Friday
    Everybody’s lookin’ forward to the weekend, weekend
    Friday, Friday
    Gettin’ down on Friday
    Everybody’s lookin’ forward to the weekend

    Partyin’, partyin’ (Yeah)
    Partyin’, partyin’ (Yeah)
    Fun, fun, fun, fun
    Lookin’ forward to the weekend

    It’s Friday, Friday
    Gotta get down on Friday
    Everybody’s lookin’ forward to the weekend, weekend
    Friday, Friday
    Gettin’ down on Friday
    Everybody’s lookin’ forward to the weekend

    Partyin’, partyin’ (Yeah)
    Partyin’, partyin’ (Yeah)
    Fun, fun, fun, fun
    Lookin’ forward to the weekend

    Now go do your taxes, bitch!

  193. JC

    That’s all fine and good, Tillers.

    But the idiot doesn’t drive (it’s not safe enough) and he doesn’t use heating, preferring a blanket over his fat legs to save on energy bills. he also grows his own spuds in the back yard.

    So, what carbon tax is the twit going to be paying? I ask you? In fact the opposite seems to be the case. He ends up pocketing the give back while ignoring the ATO letters of demand.

  194. Gabrielle

    I’ve missed your comments, Tillman.

  195. Infidel Tiger

    “This is multiple-election Tony.”

    Don’t say that with a mouth full of mung beans, Bob.

  196. Gab, I have no doubt at all that Bolt was very influential in the scuttling of the Rudd ETS and the replacement of Turnbull with a policy flake who demonstrates the Peter Principle.

    But, as it happens, opinion seems to be that this is a better package.

    So yes, you’re right. I probably should thank him for helping come up with a better solution.

    When he stops being a one eyed propaganda machine who never admits that he might be wrong and doesn’t bother correctly past wrong information that he has promulgated, then I’ll reconsider my opinion of him.

  197. Gabrielle

    You said you were leaving, Steve,

    Why are you still here?

  198. Gabrielle

    Steve

    Give Tillman back his clown nose. Now!

  199. C.L.

    Remember Steve’s prediction that Bolt wouldn’t compete with that show hosted by former Bob Hawke staffer, Barrie Cassidy?

  200. Tillman

    He did leave.

    He walked to the mailbox, saw a threatening letter from the Commissioner of Taxation, put in the trash before Mrs Steve saw it, and came back to waste more time at the Cat.

  201. Tillman

    That’s a productive day by Steve’s standards.

  202. Infidel Tiger

    Mrs Steve from Brisbane is probably working double shifts as a cleaner while her shiftless husband spends all day googling “trannys+ Pope+ Global+ Warming+ Currency+ Lad+”.

  203. jtfsoon

    don’t forget eunuchs. eunuchs are another steve favourite

  204. Infidel Tiger

    Funnily enough if you google that it comes up with a Catallaxy Open Thread.

  205. Tillman

    Steve also spends a lot of time watching hilarious compilations of airline crashes on youtube.

  206. Tillman

    this is actually a bit funny

  207. A plane full of eunuchs crashing into JC’s next, newly completed, architecturally designed house while he is standing on the footpath showing off its fine lines to Sinclair: comedy gold.

  208. Jc

    Lol. That’s St Barts airport Tillman.

    You see that strip of beach the plane hit.

    God strike me down if I tell a lie, but that exact spot marks the point where wifey read the riot act to JC over my appalling behavior on the island that past week for staring too long at topless euro women all the time.

    When she was making the last dramatic point a plane took off over our heads so I couldn’t hear her. She stormed off in a huff back to our friends when I started to laugh after saying what,what, what a few times..

    It was a very romantic moment too.

  209. jtfsoon

    steve
    hatred blackens your soul

  210. Infidel Tiger

    God strike me down if I tell a lie, but that exact spot marks the point where wifey read the riot act to JC over my appalling behavior on the island that past week for staring too long at topless euro women all the time.

    White pointers can be very dangerous when you’re at the beach.

  211. Tillman

    I think the pilot must have been thinking about tits when he tried to land the plane.

    He certainly wasn’t thinking about the runway.

  212. Rafe

    Just as well it didn’t burst into flames.

    There is some great Utube footage of wind turbines bursting into flames in strong winds, also crashing or disintegrating.

  213. Rafe

    8 am time for your correspondent in Tel Aviv to take a walk on the beach and then get a briefing on the Boycott Act which is a local contribution to squashing debate.

  214. Gabrielle

    Perhaps the correspondent in Tel Aviv could delight us with some anecdotes of the prior evening’s celebrations?

  215. Jc

    IT

    I think the mayor of the island has a rule that no unattached resident female can be under a 9.5 , has to be frog or italian and must go topless on a beach, preferably in a g-string.
    Break any of those rules and she’s immediately deported.

  216. Infidel Tiger

    What does a beer cost on St. Barts? 100 Euro?

  217. Jc

    I can’t recall but cigs were 1.7 euros because the place is excise tax free.
    Funny rules because the place is fully owned by France and there’s no excise.

    I don’t recall anything being expensive there.

  218. daddy dave

    Funnily enough if you google that it comes up with a Catallaxy Open Thread.

    Whoah! We’re in a recursive loop.

  219. daddy dave

    Clicking on CL’s blog, I didn’t realise his Protestant counterpart Mild Colonial Boy has returned

    Mild Colonial Boy is way to the right of anyone at Catallaxy.

  220. C.L.

    Meanwhile, elsewhere in the world, a genuine feminist is insulted that anyone even thought she’d cry.

    Julia Blubbard: no ticker.

  221. Infidel Tiger

    Did you hear that lying swine try and make out like she grew up in the Bronx at the Press Club?

    Here’s Wikipedias take on Unley:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unley,_South_Australia

  222. jtfsoon

    Marie Antoinette: ‘Let them eat cake’

    The Canadian Greens: ‘Let them eat shit’

    http://www.vexnews.com/2011/07/waste-not-greens-party-wants-you-to-eat-excrement/

  223. C.L.

    Greens party wants you to eat excrement.

    Eat shit: perfect Greens slogan in general.

  224. That reminds me: fascinating story on Catalyst last night about people who get other people’s poop implanted into their intestines as a last resort cure for a particularly nasty drug resistant infection.

    Quite simply, HPI involves infusing a patient with someone else’s faeces. It’s a confronting treatment, but one which patients suffering from the tummy superbug, Clostridium difficile, are prepared to undertake in order to get their lives back to normal.

  225. Jc

    Cant wait for bob or tubbsie to announce that policy.

  226. C.L.

    It’s common sense really.

  227. TBH

    IT, Unley is most definitely not plightsville, South Australia. It’s one of the richest parts of the city! Friends of mine live in Millswood, which is right next door and it’s a very pretty area. Think Mount Lawley or Shenton Park in a WA context.

  228. Fleeced

    Cant wait for bob or tubbsie to announce that policy.

    Is the Green who suggested it willing to eat it? Or is he just another holier-than-thou vegetarian?

  229. Fleeced

    Actually, reading the article (yeah – who has time for that?) it looks like a throwway line my the Green in question, and probably intended as a joke: “No need to dump it in the lake when food can be created instead. Waste not want not.”

    Though it can be hard to tell with Greens – I often think they’re joking when they’re not.

  230. C.L.

    Annabel Crabb descends to full-blown delusion: Gillard is the new Thatcher.

    Think of the ‘achievement,’ says Crabb:

    …in the last week, Julia Gillard has released a carbon pricing scheme that is a viable – no, a near-inevitable – parliamentary proposition. It’s a result that eluded her predecessor, even though he had far more tranquil waters to navigate.

    Um, and why did it “elude” her predecessor, Annabel? Who advised Kevin to dump it or else?

  231. Infidel Tiger

    Gillard and Thatcher couldn’t be further removed.

    What a fucking insult.

  232. Relevant part of Annabel’s article to my earlier comment:

    How do we know that it’s not a greenwash? Because petrol is exempt. Because two steel giants, BlueScope and OneSteel, this week declared themselves mollified. Even the zinc smelter dudes seem comparatively relaxed. And we know the coal industry can’t be entirely doomed, because Peabody Energy wants to pay $5 billion for Macarthur Coal. Ms Gillard has also undertaken some substantial structural tax reforms that were too hard for her predecessors, raising the tax-free threshold in a way that encourages greater workforce participation at the bottom end of the income scale. Given the hysterical feel to the last few days, it seems counter-intuitive to observe that if you ignore the hobgoblin, the PM’s actually had a pretty good week. But it’s true.

  233. Fleeced

    Sometimes I think Annabel just writes shit to stir up Bolta… it’s probably the only way she can get hits

  234. Myrrdin Seren

    Wayne Swan building the case to curb the media.

    “FEDERAL Treasurer Wayne Swan says media outlets that oppose a price on carbon should not pretend that their coverage is balanced.”

    And the next step of course is lack of balance will doubtless be in breach of something and bango – he or Conroy starts closing down anyone who disagrees with the government.

    http://www.centraltelegraph.com.au/story/2011/07/15/wayne-swan-carbon-tax-media-coverage/

  235. Infidel Tiger

    the PM’s actually had a pretty good week

    .

    She has a couple more weeks like this and her parents will address the nation telling us they’ve disowned her.

  236. Both sides surely will have to stop the fake election campaign style soon. There’ll be repeating the same lines too often and public interest will wane in hearing them.

  237. I liked this line in her column too:

    She has displayed no sign of panic, unless you count yesterday’s micro-sniffle at the National Press Club. Compare this to her predecessor, who used to take Japan to the International Court of Justice every time his poll figures fell below the temperature of a Canberra summer’s day.

  238. C.L.

    FEDERAL Treasurer Wayne Swan says media outlets that oppose a price on carbon should not pretend that their coverage is balanced.

    This is beginning to get frightening.

    These people are simply fascist turds.

  239. C.L.

    …Peabody Energy wants to pay $5 billion for Macarthur Coal.

    Yes Annabel, they’ve also seen the polls.

  240. Infidel Tiger

    It’s a terrible line Steve. Particualrly that Canberra summer’s day shite. Rudd’s numbers never fell below 46 and he got knifed by this fat arsed blubber guts whose number are worse than a Canberra winter minimum.

  241. C.L.

    The now dying warmening cult (these days a mostly Australian phenomenon) takes another hit: the reefs are fine, says scientist.

  242. You hysterical ninny, CL.

    The thing you should be “frightened” about – future climate and sea level change – you ignore, while wetting your pants because a flaky politician towards the end of his career (Brown) is muttering about doing something about the press.

  243. MarkL of Canberra

    Steve: The extent to which renewables can replace Steve:

    The extent to which renewables can replace coal, and at what rate, is a matter of legitimate engineering/science dispute, with quite a lot of practical uncertainty.

    More utter bollocks. With all the dud investments (all subsidised) made in wind and solar globally over the past two decades the costs and efficiencies are very well known.

    They cannot do it. Full stop.

    Here’s what the head of Macquarie Generation has to say about it, etc (he was published in The Australian):

    The chief of Macquarie Generation, Russel Skelton, said in Tuesday’s Australian that it would take 3,500 turbines to replace the generator at Bayswater, NSW.

    I had a look at the consequences of replacing Hazelwood, in the Latrobe Valley, with wind power, a measure being contemplated by the Government as part of its direct action plan for CO2 emissions reductions.

    The figures are mind boggling. First is the cost of the buyout of Hazelwood. Probably about $3b.

    Second is the cost of the replacement turbines. Hazelwood is 1470mw. ( say 1500mw for simple sums ). A standard 3mw turbine costs about $7m. ( windustry.org ) That would be 500 towers for nominal capacity of 1500mw. But, given that the average output of these devices is only 1/4 of the nameplate capacity, (or less ), a total of at least 2000 towers would be needed to replace Hazelwood.

    Bayswater is bigger than Hazelwood, so Skelton’s figure for Bayswater is probably right.

    And 2000 turbines at $7m each works out to $14b! This is 40 windfarms with 50 turbines each, scattered around Victoria.

    Thirdly, since the wind farms will spend half their time supplying less than their average output ( by definition), the system will need open cycle gas turbine backup. And backup for even 1/3 of the windfarms capacity will require at least a 500mw of gas turbine generation. This will cost maybe $1.3b, or more. Origin just built one at Mortlake.

    Then comes the cost of the gas supply infrastructure, and connection costs to the electricity grid. In total, close to $2b.

    Finally comes the cost of the grid connection for the 40 dispersed windfarms. At least another $1b.

    So the final cost to replace Hazelwood with wind and gas is 3+14+ 2+1= $20 billion! This is more than the whole Latrobe Valley generating system is worth! Where on earth is this sort of money going to come from? And what will be the price of power with such a monumental amount of capital to service?

    And here’s the kicker. The cost of abatement. Assuming that the 16mtpa of current emissions from Hazelwood are foregone, (and not counting the gas that will be used in the scheme anyway), the cost of abatement is $1,350/tonne! This is all madness.

    Replacing these power sources is NOT subject to “practical uncertainty”. It can be done with current technology. The problem is that it is wildly expensive to do so because wind and solar are so abysmally inefficient.

    THAT is why they cannot be used for baseload power, you fool.

    So Hazelwood would cost ~$20Bn and is a 1470mw station. Loy Yang is 2200mw. Indicative cost to replace both? ~$59,000,000,000. The assets combined are worth not more than ~$7 billion.

    To put it in terms even a fool might understand. Would you replace your reliable, cheap to run and cheap to buy $20,000 Ford Mondeo with a $168,000 car that costs ten times as much to run and does an inferior job of getting you to work? On, and you have top KEEP your Mondeo and pay all its fixed costs for the days the Greentardomobile decides not to work – which is always more than half the time?

    Even you, Monty, would refuse this deal – if YOU were paying.

    THAT is the deal Juliar Gillrudd and Bobby the Brown-hatter and his greensuited totalitarians are asking the Australian taxpayer to buy into. Just because they are stupid enough to think this is a good idea (because someone else is paying), does not mean that the poor bugger who foots the bill agrees with them.

    THAT is what explains the polls, and why Juliar would be far more popular if she were selling a government campaign to give everyone genital warts.

    And you wonder why the taxpayer is jacking up?

    Mk50
    Brisbane

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