Open Forum: March 31, 2012

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  1. sdog says:

    Racists.

  2. JamesK says:

    Yo!

    Speakin’ scientifically

    Tim’s da mana!

  3. Skuter says:

    How predictable is the goose? Of course, it is those three evil tax dodging miners that are ruining the pursuit of surplus! Oh and the foreign owned ones too. And dirty big business too. When I was a kid, clowns used to wear curly red wigs and big red wigs. Now they wear suits in Canberra…

  4. sdog says:

    This is a horrible piece of legislation — as misbegotten and useless to its friends as it is menacing to its enemies. The question is: why? Why did the blues write such a bad law? Why, given a once in a lifetime chance to pass a program that Dems have longed to achieve ever since the New Deal, did they craft a sloppy mess that nobody understands and few admire, and then leave their law so unnecessarily vulnerable to constitutional challenge?”

  5. Rabz says:

    People are the same, whatever we do…

    Especially when we wanna dance to the music!

  6. kelly liddle says:

    Gab
    Travelling could be partly the reason I write how I do as it does change my accent especially if I have just travelled from overseas. Actually thinking about it for a bit it probably does change how I write and often I have to edit what I have written to fill in all the words that should be there rather than broken english. It might also change the order I write a sentence. Eg Kun JC mi tang mark. which translates as Person JC has money a lot. U is pronounced oo and I is pronounced ee and A is pronounced u as in hut.

  7. Gab says:

    Pang pai! lol

    No worries, Kelly. Why do you keep saying “broken english”? Is english your second language?

  8. Rabz says:

    why? Why did the blues write such a bad law? Why, given a once in a lifetime chance to pass a program that Dems have longed to achieve ever since the New Deal, did they craft a sloppy mess that nobody understands and few admire, and then leave their law so unnecessarily vulnerable to constitutional challenge?”

    Because they’re as dumb as dogsh*t?

  9. kelly liddle says:

    No but if you talk to someone who doesn’t speak english then is easier to use only the important words.

  10. Gab says:

    Ah, very true. I was like that when I returned from China, Kelly. And also when I used to work with a bunch of Italians who spoke broken English, and I broken Italian.

  11. Gab says:

    Swan wrongly accuses…

    Wayne Swan on ABC 702 yesterday responding to our front-page story, “Swan taps miners for surplus”:

    I WAS pretty stunned when I saw The Australian’s story this morning because they didn’t bother to call my office about that story . . . They’ve conflated two stories, didn’t talk to my office . . . the fact is, that story wasn’t checked with my office.

    Oh, that call. Swan’s flack Matthew Coghlan in an email to The Australian yesterday:

    THE Treasurer made comments on 702 this morning to the effect that our office was not contacted about your story on the front page today. He made those comments on the basis of incorrect information provided to him. He acknowledges that those comments were incorrect and apologises for them unreservedly . . . Apologies again.

    Oops. Cut & Paste.

  12. kelly liddle says:

    bunch of Italians who spoke broken English, and I broken Italian.

    There is a problem with this though because it is like saying googoo gaagaa to a baby it doesn’t help them much.

  13. JamesK says:

    Slow Joe Biden Blames High Unemployment on ‘This God-Awful Recession We’ve Inherited’

    According to the non-partisan National Bureau of Economic Research, the last recession began in December 2007 and ended in June 2009—just five months into President Barack Obama’s term in office.

    In the 33 months since the recession ended, according to the NBER, the U.S. economy has been in a period of expansion. One of the current members of the NBER committee that determines when recessions begin and end is Christina Romer, who formerly served as chairperson of Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers.

    (Less than two weeks before Obama took office in 2009, Romer published a report saying Obama’s stimulus plan, if enacted, would keep unemployment under 8 percent.

  14. Gab says:

    I disagree, Kel. I tried on numerous occasions to speak with them in fluent English. It didn’t work. (I learnt quite a bit about swearing in Italian as result). So with hands flailing like Gillard in a hailstorm,plus a few English words, a few Italian words, we understood.

  15. JamesK says:

    Paul Krugman NYT: Broccoli and Bad Faith

    Let’s start with the already famous exchange in which Justice Antonin Scalia compared the purchase of health insurance to the purchase of broccoli, with the implication that if the government can compel you to do the former, it can also compel you to do the latter. That comparison horrified health care experts all across America because health insurance is nothing like broccoli.

  16. kelly liddle says:

    In the 33 months since the recession ended, according to the NBER, the U.S. economy has been in a period of expansion.

    It probably has with inflation and population growth but the majority of people are poorer in real terms.

  17. kelly liddle says:

    Gab
    It is a long term thing, you and the Italians will not progress with your language skills but practicalities say this is too much effort.

  18. sdog says:

    “They walked through a crowd of Americans on their way to pass that travesty of a 1,000 page monstrosity, braying their laughter. Nancy showed off the big gavel she was going to use to pound ObamaCare onto the heads of all Americans, Constitution be damned.

    “Not laughing now, are they?”

  19. Gab says:

    Kelly, chill. It was a few years ago and a work situation.

  20. Gab says:

    Guess what the shooters were wearing?

    Without checking – Obama sanctioned hoodies?

  21. Les Majesty says:

    Iq49 sez:

    You are using terms you have not defined in any meaningful way. This is not the ‘black and white’ situation your terminology imposes on your thinking, which is why you are making no real sense. It is all shades of grey.

    LOL.

    Outside the Media Studies department at Macquarie Uni and the senior ranks of the Commonwealth Public Service, you would be hard pressed to find anyone who uses as much obfuscatory terminology as 49 does.

  22. JamesK says:

    Erik Erikson hits it outa da park:

    Sinners In the Hands of Anthony Kennedy
    The left cries foul as the right uses the federal courts to do as the left has done for years.

    But liberal legal scholars so stunned at Justice Kennedy’s point favor a constitution where the public must hire them and their brethren to bow before men and women in black robes offering up prayers and petitions that our black robed masters divine from the text of the constitution some new right or government power no man on the street can see.

    We have complicated our tax code, our regulations, and our legal system. In each we must now pay self-appointed experts trained in the art of gobbledegook to parse words, divine intent, and lobby for exceptions that prove rules.

    Our nation is no longer a nation of laws, but a nation of elites who interpret those laws for us. It has all led to a very logical place.

    In placing our constitution in the hands of a black robed elite who can divine from thin air powers, rights, and duties neither contemplated nor easily extrapolated from the constitution, our republic has become a kingdom. Our king is Anthony Kennedy. Every argument advanced is advanced with him in mind. On every major issue he is the decisive vote.

    Put bluntly, the constitutional integrity of our republic has been ceded to one man in the third branch of our federal government. It makes him more powerful than the democratically elected Congress and President. It is not a sign that our system is too partisan. It is a sign that our system is broken in a fundamental way.

    But the dirty little secret is that while legal experts and scholars may agree the system is broken, they only think so when Anthony Kennedy disagrees with them.

    RTWT

  23. Rabz says:

    Guess what the shooters were wearing?

    Keffiyehs?

    P.S. Done quickly, haven’t read the ‘piece’…

  24. kelly liddle says:

    Guess what the shooters were wearing?

    Slipper regardless of what you might think of him would have kicked the congressman out.

  25. Rabz says:

    Rep. Bobby Rush (D-IL) a former Black Panther

    Blacks killing blacks?

    Who gives a rodent’s backsayeedah?

    We need waaaaacists, allahdammit!

  26. C.L. says:

    I think American conservatives and libertarians ought to save the victory lap for an actual Supreme Court victory on Obamacare or they’ll be the ones beclowned.

  27. Peter Patton says:

    That Justice Kennedy is an annoying cocksucker. All dumb people are. What a waste of oxygen all those folks who have to suck him off to get his fricking ‘swing’ vote. Who appointed the sanctimonious airhead? Whenever I hear a judge bang on about ‘liberty’, I reach for my AK-47.

  28. C.L. says:

    Bill Leak on the ALP’s coalition allies.

  29. Rabz says:

    Bill Leak (PBUH) on the ALP’s coalition allies lunatics ruining our lives and what they have planned for us.

    F*cking hippy scum.

  30. DrBeauGan says:

    Rabz, who is that ugly chick in need of a shave?

  31. Gab says:

    I think American conservatives and libertarians ought to save the victory lap for an actual Supreme Court victory on Obamacare or they’ll be the ones beclowned.

    Yes, wise advice. I’m concerned that their Justices are getting caught up in the details of what can or cannot be repealed and how difficult it would be to lop of some parts of the Act but not others. Their brief is to determine if ‘Obamacare’ is unconstitutional or not. that is all.

  32. Infidel Tiger says:

    Bill Leak on the ALP’s coalition allies.

    Strike a light. His Sarah Hanson-Young is one of the creepiest things I’ve seen.

  33. C.L. says:

    Bill Hayden: the ALP is basically finished.

    Hayden fears Labor’s time has passed.

    BILL Hayden was the last man standing when Labor crashed in Queensland at the 1975 federal election. Now the former ALP leader and governor-general has declared that Australia’s oldest political party may have “had its time”.

    ———————————-

    By the way, Bill: that’s a nice office you’ve got there in Brisbane and you seem very casually dressed for the ‘work’ you’re doing in the office.

    Um, what exactly do yoy do there and why are we paying for it?

  34. sdog says:

    ? ? ? ? ? MOOOOO-CHELLE, MA BELLE… ? ? ? ? ?

    Now she’s giving off a “cling to your ankle and not let you walk out the door” vibe that is so creepy one can almost smell Axelrod’s mustache sweat behind it.

    Just…stop.

  35. Oh come on says:

    BBC World Have Your Say programme on BBC World channel is reporting that “black” Trayvon Martin was killed by “white” George Zimmerman.

  36. Oh come on says:

    I’m trying to find a link for this but the website updates once in a blue moon. Their last report was from February.

  37. JamesK says:

    The Left’s beloved hysteria contunues unabated

    L.A. Times: California lawmakers don hoodies in honor of slain teen

    “God help us if, in the United States, wearing a hoodie warrants capital punishment,” Wright said. “Wearing a hoodie is not a crime.”

  38. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    Kelly Liddle:

    No Mk50 you make a claim you explain what you claim is. I have not made any claim. If you can’t tell us what your definition is when you make a wild claim like 19000 terrorist attacks how are we ever to trust you again?

    FFS Kelly, do not be thick, use your the ‘media definition of terrorist acts’, then act surprised when you do not like the numbers. And claims? No. Just stating facts.

    Yes, there have been in excess of 19,000 ‘terrorist’acts’ (MSM definition) since 11 Sept 2001. I showed you a site which runs a similar but inferior data report trawl program to ours. Even that site has well over 18,000 such incidents.

    Pick a small set (say 100 of their most recent ones) and start googling. That way you can validate the correctness or otherwise of their data by finding the media reports they trawl.

    The trawl programs look for specific words in specific combinations. Looking at those word trees, I would term our raw data ‘acts of islamist violence’ qualified by ‘with lethal intent or outcome’. Once again, that’s why we don’t use the terms ‘terrorist’ or ‘jihadist’ very much, and only with specified meaning (their original ones). We actually use their definitions.

    After all, in the world-view of an islamist, what is occurring is a war of religion. So we use their terms and such.

    In the west, few people know how to think in terms of a ‘war of religion’.

    We outgrew them in 1648 with the Treaty of Westphalia,

    To use your apparent definition (which is also the media definition such as it is) I would rate all 19,000+ acts as ‘terrorism’ by the populist MSM ‘definition’ such as it is.

    We break it down a lot further than that into a bunch of sub-categories using different definitions. That’s all.

    For further example, we estimate FGM numbers. Each time a female is genitally mutilated, that’s an act of violence (under the definition of violence). Each act has a ‘religious justification’ (for a certain value of religion). Each act is designed within a context of a violent outcome (repression of females) again with a ‘religious justification’ (for a certain value of religion).

    The results are interesting, and quite damning of Middle eastern and African islam. it mans you can see how wildly different the four ‘islamic worlds’ are, and track an ‘internal reconquest effort’ currently underway.

  39. JamesK says:

    That other national Dem leader….If we don’t get the result we want on Trayvon Martin case……..

    The Dems threats are never subtle

    Pelosi: If Justice System Probe of Trayvon Martin Death ‘Doesn’t Seem to be Working’ ‘Other Options’ Should Be Considered

    “I think that’s an issue in the justice system, and if that doesn’t seem to be working then consider some other options, but I’m pleased that the investigation is going forward.”

  40. JamesK says:

    Krauthammer, Wa-Po: The ‘flexibility’ doctrine

    You don’t often hear an American president secretly (he thinks) assuring foreign leaders that concessions are coming their way, but they must wait because he’s seeking reelection and he dares not tell his own people.

  41. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    Les the racist kiddie:

    obfuscatory terminology

    Poor diddums.

    unable to comprehend complex issues, eh?

    You racist turd, we already knew you were a simpleton. Left-wing racists always are. But thanks for admitting it in public.

  42. JamesK says:

    WSJ: Where’s an Open Mic When We Really Need It?

    Obama was admitting his distrust of his fellow Americans to a leader of a nasty government that seeks to thwart our purposes.

    When President Obama blurted out to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he couldn’t do serious business during an election year, the New York Times characterized it as a “moment of political candor.” It seems to me, actually, to be a moment of political contempt—for the issues at hand as well as for the demos itself. ….

    But really the message, the important one, concerns us, here in America. It is that the American people can’t be trusted if the president is honest with them about what he proposes. More bluntly, that the American people are not trusted by their own president. Otherwise the president would tell us the truth about his intentions. And here he is, admitting his distrust of his own people to a leader of a nasty foreign government that seeks to thwart our purposes in the Middle East and elsewhere. President Obama is in cahoots with the Russian regime against America’s very body politic.

  43. JamesK says:

    WSJ, John Yoo: What Conservative Legal Revolution?

    A 5-4 ruling against ObamaCare is the least Republicans should expect given the number of justices they’ve been able to appoint.

    Overturning ObamaCare by a mere 5-4 margin would show the tenuousness of the 40-year conservative campaign to alter the Supreme Court. In the four decades since Richard Nixon first made the Supreme Court a campaign issue, Republicans have controlled the White House for seven presidential terms and Democrats for only four. Yet conservatives and liberals can claim four seats each on the court, with Anthony Kennedy happily floating about in the middle.

    Republican presidents nominated justices such as Harry Blackmun, John Paul Stevens and David Souter, who became dependable liberal votes. Democrats have yet to make a similar mistake.

    As a result, the conservative revolution in constitutional law has fizzled. The court has reaffirmed the right to abortion, intervened in wartime military decisions, upheld distortions of the separation of powers such as the independent counsel statute, and barely nibbled at the outer reaches of the New Deal expansion of federal power over the states.

    While the high court has not conjured forth as many new constitutional rights as it once did, it may soon impose gay marriage on the country when it gets the case of Perry v. Brown. Only in the area of criminal procedure, where the solid liberal bloc sometimes suffers defections, has the court seriously rebalanced constitutional law.

    The winner of this November’s presidential election may enjoy the chance to appoint three new Justices. By the end of the next president’s term in 2016, Ruth Bader Ginsburg will be 83, Antonin Scalia and Justice Kennedy will turn 80, and Stephen Breyer will be 78.

  44. JamesK says:

    The Left destroy everything they gain control of:

    Study: Trust in science among educated conservatives plunges

    Conservatives, particularly those with college educations, have become dramatically more skeptical of science over the past four decades, according to a study published in the April issue of the American Sociological Review. Fewer than 35 percent of conservatives say they have a “great deal” of trust in the scientific community now, compared to nearly half in 1974…….

    In fact, in 1974, people who identified as conservatives were among the most confident in science as an institution, with liberals trailing slightly behind, and moderates bringing up the rear. Liberals have remained fairly steady in their opinion of the scientific community over the interim, while conservative trust in science has plummeted.

    Interestingly, the most educated conservatives have led that charge. Conservatives with college degrees began distrusting science earlier and more forcefully than other conservatives, upending assumptions that less educated people on the whole are more distrustful of science.

  45. JamesK says:

    Court orders Egypt to ban porn websites to protect its ‘society and values’

    An Egyptian court has ordered the government to ban pornographic websites in order to protect society and its values.
    The decision and a similar initiative in parliament has fed into fears by liberal and secular Egyptians that their country is moving down the path to fundamentalist Islam, following a sweeping victory by Islamists in parliamentary elections.

  46. kelly liddle says:

    Mk50
    So we have worked out just about anything can be a terrorist attack as the MSM will just repeat what an army or government says and they love to throw the word terrorism around. I suppose you will now tell me that islamic terrorist attack does not have to have anything to do with islam and only has to be perpetrated by a muslim then we can come up with your really large number.

  47. JamesK says:

    Egypt’s liberals walk out, leaving Islamists to write a constitution

    A process that was supposed to be one of the crowning achievements of Egypt’s uprising — the writing of a new constitution — began today amid controversy over the heavily Islamist makeup of the assembly chosen to craft the document.

    A quarter of the 100-member constituent assembly did not attend the first session today, including about 20 mostly liberals and leftist figures who resigned from the body in protest (the reason for the other absences wasn’t immediately clear). They complained that the Muslim Brotherhood’s party, along with the ultraconservative Islamist Nour Party, rushed the assembly’s election process to push through their own candidates, resulting in an Islamist-dominated assembly they say does not adequately represent minority groups and political ideologies.

    The constitution will help determine how democratic the new Egypt will be, in part by outlining the balance between the powers of the presidency and Parliament

  48. kelly liddle says:

    An Egyptian court has ordered the government to ban pornographic websites in order to protect society and its values.

    James
    No different to when we had K Rudd as PM so what?

  49. JamesK says:

    Chicagoland: Men in Hoodies Open Fire in Convenience Store; One Dead, Five Wounded

    If you’re keeping count, that’s 13 people shot and two dead. Barack Obama was unavailable for comment.

  50. JamesK says:

    No different to when we had K Rudd as PM so what?

    Just more evidece that yjer Arab spring for our leftists is gonna be along bitter winter 9n reality.

    That’s always the result of leftists gettinng their way.

    Apparently 1979 and jimmy Carter’s stupidity needs to be repeated a generation later.

  51. JamesK says:

    Corner, NRO: Sherlock Holmes Meets Occam’s Razor

    “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth,” said Sherlock Holmes. The recent three-day intellectual demolition of Obamacare at the Supreme Court exposed to even the most obtuse lefty the flimsy constitutional underpinnings of the so-called “health care” law. The Patient Deflection and Unaffordable Care Act is now well on its way to zombie status, still staggering around in the form of HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, knocking things off shelves and making growling sounds in the direction of religious folk, just waiting for the head shot from the Roberts Court to put it out of its misery.

  52. JamesK says:

    PM David Cameron in The Telegraph:
    Brick by brick, we’re tearing down the big state

    But there is more to do if we are to realise our vision of truly open public services. So today, as we publish our update to the White Paper, we are taking three new, radical steps. First, we are announcing an independent review,,,,,,,

    Second, we are publishing draft legislation that would enshrine in law the right to choice…….

    Third, we are going to consult on making it easier to set up neighbourhood councils…..

    Steady on David, ‘ol chap.

  53. dover_beach says:

    I think American conservatives and libertarians ought to save the victory lap for an actual Supreme Court victory on Obamacare or they’ll be the ones beclowned.

    Indeed. I was thinking this myself. Given the voting record of the justices in past cases, i.e. Stenberg v. Carhart, and so on, nothing at all would surprise me.

  54. Hey JamesK: even Bolt is giving the SVO (Sweater Vested One) a hard time, wondering what could have been the “n”word he nearly said with respect to Obama.

  55. JamesK says:

    Hey fuvckwit, Bolt never stopped giving the SVO (Sweater Vested One) a hard time.

  56. JamesK says:

    Indeed. I was thinking this myself. Given the voting record of the justices in past cases, i.e. Stenberg v. Carhart, and so on, nothing at all would surprise me.

    I agree d-b.

    Still you have to laugh with that NRO Corner post, I linked.

  57. Tedious use of “fuvckwit” again by JamesK: maybe it’s mild Tourette’s you need to treat yourself for.

  58. Actually, JamesK did something useful for once – the link to Paul Krugman’s column on health care was to a pretty good bit of commentary.

  59. dover_beach says:

    Paul Krugman’s column on health care was to a pretty good bit of commentary.

    So far as the non-discerning reader is concerned.

  60. JamesK says:

    Rush Limabugh: An E-Mail from My Friend Who’s Not Thrilled About Mitt Romney

    “I got a fascinating e-mail from a friend of mine last night. I want to share this with you. My friend’s heart and mind are the biggest and most generous you’ll ever find, and he’s totally, totally immersed in saving the country. He is dumbfounded and saddened that it appears Romney will be the Republican nominee. I’m not gonna tell you who he is. You wouldn’t know. He’s not a famous person. I want to read you his note to me:”

    Well, looks like Romney, so I wish us much luck. Look at what happened. The Tea Party rises up, the Tea Party delivers the House of Representatives to the GOP, the Tea Party nearly takes out the Democrat Senate in 2010, and our nominee is gonna be a former RINO governor of Massachusetts who invented Romneycare. Rush, this could be ugly. And if Romney wins, the best we can say is he’s not Obama. Which is important, but it’s not enough to stem the tide of big government disaster. So the establishment’s gonna win again. If Romney loses, which is possible, then everybody who has been trying to warn people about Romney are gonna be blamed for not getting behind him sooner. Like the left, the establishment Republicans can never admit responsibility for their own handiwork. We’re all gonna be good soldiers, and we’ll fight for our nominee even though they don’t ever fight for ours. The Tea Party made this chance possible.

    The Tea Party did everything, and we get a RINO?

    George Romney was a disaster. He was successfully blocked by conservatives. Mitt’s no different. Mitt Romney is like Nixon. I can’t name three serious conservative things he’s ever done. I look at these endorsements. Bill Weld, Massachusetts, the Bush family, McCain, every Washington insider and former Republican politician. And they didn’t do one thing to deliver the House to the Republicans. They didn’t do one thing to help nearly take out the Senate, the Democrat Senate in 2010, they didn’t do one thing. They sit there and they take all the spoils, but they didn’t do one thing to help. Scary.

    The reason that we’ve had several wonderful days at the Supreme Court, although who actually knows what they’ll do, is because conservatives are fighting the good fight. Conservatives are filing the briefs. Conservatives are making the arguments. Not establishment Republicans. Establishment Republicans don’t even think the guy can be beat. It’s frustrating, Rush, whatever progress is made on our side, it’s always due to the conservatives, not Republican operatives, not the consultants, not the insiders, not the establishment.

    Rush: “My friend obviously was hoping for a far more conservative nominee than an establishment guy. He doesn’t have anything against Romney personally. It’s not that. This is strictly there were so many hopes, the Tea Party, an uprising, conservative grassroots, and there is the old establishment GOP benefiting from it while not doing one thing to assist or to make it happen.”

  61. The “non-discerning reader”?

    That might have to be the most politely sarcastic put down ever to appear at this blog. It should be emulated by the articulation challenged participants of this noble endeavour.

  62. Infidel Tiger says:

    Hey JamesK: even Bolt is giving the SVO (Sweater Vested One) a hard time, wondering what could have been the “n”word he nearly said with respect to Obama.

    Bolt’s a real jerk for posting that. He should be ashamed of himself.

  63. sdog says:

    Bolt’s a real jerk for posting that. He should be ashamed of himself.

    Yep. He’s pandering to Leftards. See how he hat-tipped one “Mr Jordan” on it? That’s a leftard (formerly “Black Knight:, formerly “Paul of Hervey Bay”, formerly “Bill Door”) with “Most Favored Commenter” status who gets up a dozen or more comments a day, when anyone else is lucky to get through once in a blue moon.

    None of any of my comments this year on Bolt’s several posts on either Obama, McCain or Zimmerman/Martin have been deemed “worthy of printing” (I’ve more or less been blacklisted for over a year now, though I still go through spurts where I try to get something – anything – through) yet the deranged morons seem to be put up automatically.

    Bolt’s just phoning it in these days, both the posts (note the many egregious typos and uncorrected misspellings, at least two or three a day) and the comments policy. It’s a shame, because he used to run a pretty good blog.

    Oh well. There ya go.

  64. Infidel Tiger says:

    I skim Bolt’s posts most days, but never bother with the comments. They were like wading through a sewer even before he was desperate to be liked by leftists.

  65. Gab says:

    From the Courier Mail

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard vows to reach out to Queensland voters after Labor’s loss in election

    lol there are 460 replies to this story.Hilarious reading a few, the overall sentiment is unequivocally negative: “JuLiar” is not welcome and Queenslanders* still have their baseball bats at the ready for the next election. The overriding theme is the carbon dioxide tax, not that federal Labor believes that is an issue.

    *except for SFB of course

  66. before he was desperate to be liked by leftists.

    Hilarious.

    But besides that, am I getting this right?: are even the climate change hating blogizens of Catallaxy starting to get bored with every second Bolt post being about that topic? (It certainly seems to me he has increased the frequency of the topic lately.)

  67. By the way, last time I saw a couple of weeks ago, Bolt still sing-songs his way through the opening voice over on his show.

  68. sdog says:

    His recently-acquired (last 12-18 months or so) habit of stealth-editing his own posts – making pretty significant changes or even deleting them altogether with no acknowledgement of that shits me off as well.

    RWDBs have always gotten a kick out of pinging Leftoids who pull shit like that, and yet here’s Bolt now stealth-editing along with the best of them.

    Pffft.

  69. sdog says:

    Anyway.

    Here’s something pleasant, for a change of pace.

    Somewhere Over the Rainbow/Simple Gifts (Piano/Cello Cover) – The Piano Guys

    Bookmark it for when y’all have a quiet few minutes. You’ll like, I promise.

    Cheers & have a great day, all.

  70. kae says:

    “desperate to be liked by leftists…”

    That’s a good summation. I notice that the majority of comments published now seem to be those of leftists.

  71. kae says:

    SforBrains

    Bolt doesn’t run his blog any more, it’s been outsourced.

    Do try to keep up.

  72. kae says:

    Spottie
    Bolt’s not looking after his blog any more, I’m sure of that. Sometimes I wonder if he’s even writing his own posts!
    So many errors (typos and the like), and the writing style is sometimes not Bolt-like, and the comments are not moderated by him at all, I doubt he sees the comments at all!

  73. Bolt doesn’t run his blog any more, it’s been outsourced.

    That’s what happens when you cost your boss too much in legal fees, I guess.

  74. Bolt’s been replaced by a Bolt-bot…that’s the theory hey kae?

  75. sdog says:

    I’m with you, kae. At least we have the Cat, but!

  76. blogstrop says:

    Bear in mind that Bolt has lost the ability to do his own moderation, so, strange as it may seem, Mr Jordon’s thread pollution is down to someone else to explain. Like Pubello at Miranda Devine’s, these types are just so pissed off that conservative writers exist at all that they are there every day trying to be spoilers, and to a degree succeeding.

  77. Gab says:

    NGER list of companies declaring their CO2 emissions. Read ’em and weep as the slow realiseation (for some) of just how much companies will have to pay to the government. Naturally, because commercial enterprises are not charities, the costs will be passed onto consumers.

    No government departments are listed despite them being big paloodahs of carbin {sic}. Better get the carbin cops on their case eh.

  78. I don’t understand how IT can find Bolt’s old comments threads a sewer, but he seemingly think this place smells of roses. Very odd.

  79. blogstrop says:

    I’d say he’s writing the posts, but the haste shows up in the typos, as with me all the time!

  80. John H. says:

    Bolt’s not looking after his blog any more, I’m sure of that. Sometimes I wonder if he’s even writing his own posts!

    A journalist with a ghost writer! I hope not, that’s pathetic. Perhaps the typos are occurring because he is now using an iPAD.

  81. Infidel Tiger says:

    Bear in mind that Bolt has lost the ability to do his own moderation, so, strange as it may seem, Mr Jordon’s thread pollution is down to someone else to explain.

    How does Bolt explain posting that clip? Is he not even moderating his own stupidity these days?

  82. JC says:

    I don’t understand how IT can find Bolt’s old comments threads a sewer, but he seemingly think this place smells of roses. Very odd.

    The leftie sneer again. He’s got it down pat.

    Stepford, then why don’t you just fuck right off out of here then, you sneering drag queen.

  83. Sensitive this morning, are we, JC? Given that we have had some people here complaining lately that they used to comment at Bolts but have abandoned it for here, my question to IT is perfectly legit.

  84. Infidel Tiger says:

    I don’t understand how IT can find Bolt’s old comments threads a sewer, but he seemingly think this place smells of roses. Very odd

    Believe me, I have to spray the Glenn 20 after I read your shit.

  85. blogstrop says:

    There are two problems with most of the News Ltd blogs. Firstly, the delay while someone gets around to vetting the comments. That can take half a day at times. No conversation possible.
    Then the uneven moderation, which has improved a little, but certainly went through a stage where the spoilers had a field day every day.

  86. JC says:

    Stepford

    Do you honestly think the leftwing sneer has ever worked here? Ever?

  87. Gab says:

    Stepford

    Do you honestly think

    LOL.

  88. C.L. says:

    …wondering what could have been the “n”word he nearly said with respect to Obama.

    Maybe it was this n-word.

  89. kae says:

    Gab

    LOL

    *rimshot*

    kerpow!

  90. Jarrah says:

    “even Bolt is giving the SVO (Sweater Vested One) a hard time, wondering what could have been the “n”word he nearly said with respect to Obama.”

    It’s highly unlikely he was going to say ‘nigger’. “Government nigger” isn’t a typical or even plausible combination, unless there’s a meaning in American that I’m not privy to. Then again, there was his “I didn’t say black, I said bleugh” moment. I also gave him the benefit of the doubt there, but now I’m wondering.

    What is bemusing is his use of “anti-war” as somehow negative. Scary.

  91. C.L. says:

    Peggy Noonan: Obama “creepy.”

    No kidding.

  92. Gab says:

    It’s highly unlikely he was going to say ‘nigger’.

    Agree. Even “government negro” doesn’t make sense. Reading a few headlines, no one is (as yet) making the accusation either, instead framing a question on the almost remark.

  93. blogstrop says:

    “What is happening is that the president is coming across more and more as a trimmer, as an operator who’s not operating in good faith. This is hardening positions and leading to increased political bitterness.”
    Slow learners, those yanks.

  94. C.L. says:

    What is bemusing is his use of “anti-war” as somehow negative. Scary.

    It was negative because Obama shot to fame opposing the congressionally approved and now won Iraq War – plus Gitmo, rendition, black ops, targeted assassination, killing civilians, drones and illegal wars. All of which he has enthusiastically maintained and expanded.

    But that’s not “scary” to Jarrah – because Obama’s a Democrat so illegal wars and Gitmo are suddenly way cool.

  95. C.L. says:

    Democrat Party icon and accomplice to murder, Al Sharpton, calls for “escalation” against whites.

    Caption: ‘So I got on the blower and arranged for a Jew to be killed in Crown Heights. LOL.’

  96. Jarrah says:

    “But that’s not “scary” to Jarrah”

    Yes, it is. When did I say it wasn’t? It’s also scary how fast someone who’s “anti-war” gets flipped, how readily they use their powers for evil, how someone trained in constitutional law ends up approving orders to bypass it.

    Happy now that we’ve had our condemnathon?

  97. Jarrah says:

    Also notice how the topic is Santorum, yet CL’s response is “but… but… Obama!”

  98. JamesK says:

    But that’s not “scary” to Jarrah – because Obama’s a Democrat so illegal wars and Gitmo are suddenly way cool.

    Correct.

    But don’t forget Obummer’s many homages to Democratic Party tradition: snatching defeat from the jaws of victory and crapping on your allies as you accomodate your enemies.

  99. Gab says:

    Obamacare the gift that keeps on taking for generations.

    The hidden shortfall between new spending and new taxes was revealed just after Supreme Court justices grilled the law’s supporters about its compliance with the Constitution’s limits on government activity. If the court doesn’t strike down the law, it will force taxpayers find another $17 trillion to pay for the increased spending.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/30/another-17-trillion-surprise-found-in-obamacare/#ixzz1qeZvCuat

  100. JamesK says:

    Talkin’ of Obama’s predilection for enemies and disdain for friends, here’s the latest:

    Benny Avni, New York Post: Undermining an ally, aiding the enemy

    A campaign of press leaks, led by some Obama administration insiders, is harming Israel’s and America’s ability to act militarily to end Iran’s nuclear quest.
    Washington officials and sympathetic media plainly intend the campaign to erode public support for a military attack on Iran’s nuclear installations. But reports on Israeli military methods, capabilities and alliances are actively aiding the Iranian regime.
    You may have seen some of the headlines: “Congress Sez Iran Could Recover From Israeli Attack Within Six Months”; “Hundreds of Americans Will Die in the Aftermath of Iran Attack”; “Israel’s Secret Staging Ground for Attacking Iran.”

    Israelis now believe that this public, noisy campaign has replaced an earlier (and much quieter) attempt by top Obama officials to talk directly to Prime Minister Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu and his inner security circle, and persuade them to scrap any plan for an air attack on Iran’s nuclear installations at least until after Nov. 6.
    Dennis Ross, until recently Obama’s top Iran adviser, told me yesterday he didn’t believe the administration is conducting an “orchestrated” leaking campaign. But he acknowledged that “some individuals, who don’t want Israel to do this,” may be using leaks for their purposes.

    Yesterday Amir Oren, a columnist for the left-leaning Haaretz, predicted that, as a result of an earlier New York Times report on a US military simulated war game, the Netanyahu government will postpone its “capricious” plan for a massive aerial attack on Iran’s nuclear installations until at least next year.

    The purely speculative column went viral on foreign-policy wonks’ Twitter accounts, cited as “proof” that “bluffing” Israel won’t attack before November’s US elections.

    But why would Israel be swayed? The Times spun the results of the “classified” exercise like a pretzel. As Commentary’s Omri Ceren noted, the newspaper made it sound like the gamers concluded that at least 200 Americans would die if Israel attacks Iran — and then America would be forced to join the war. In fact, the exercise looked at what would happen if an Israeli attack led to an Iranian assault on US warships that caused 200 casualties. In real life, that’s a huge “if.”

    To be sure, newspapers’ advocacy campaigns on behalf of this or that policy have their place — and leaks are many reporters’ bread and butter. That’s what we do.

    But when administration officials so liberally leak military secrets, they risk seriously damaging their own goals.

    John Bolton has also accused the Obummer administration of the same malfeasance

  101. Whatever Santorum was going to say, it seems (as with the “black/bleugh” incident) that he sometimes makes unclear, ambiguous utterances. Just the sort of thing you want with a man who needs to make important speeches watched by his nations enemies at times of international crisis!

  102. (Assuming he attained the Presidency, I meant, if that was not clear enough.)

  103. Gab says:

    But when administration officials so liberally leak military secrets, they risk seriously damaging their own goals.

    Depends on the goal, however” Obama has more “flexibility” after the election.

  104. JamesK says:

    Santorum interviewed by john King on CNN (with out teleprompter and the ums and aahs of Obummer):

    “As you know, we’ve seen in the last week, the centerpiece issue in this election is ObamaCare, and the enormous burden it is on our economy, what it’s doing to drive up unemployment, what it’s doing to explode the federal budget, as well as to explode the deficit. And of course, the impingement upon liberty, both economic liberty and our religious liberties.

    I mean, this is — this is a colossal issue, and it’s the issue that Governor Romney is the least qualified to make because he was the author of the blueprint of ObamaCare. So I respect Congressman Ryan, but I think on the most central issue of the day, he has it all wrong.

    And this is a — this is a major problem when the huge Achilles heel of this president, where three-quarters of the American public disagree with this mandate, and that yet Governor Romney started the ball rolling in Massachusetts and then advocated for this mandate at the federal level. Frankly, I think he’ll be destroyed by President Obama on this issue come the fall.

    And it should be the biggest issue that helps us win this election. It’ll be turned into a negative under Mitt Romney. So I — you know, obviously couldn’t more strongly disagree. I respect Paul and the work he’s done for the conservative cause. But I think on this — on this issue and on this vital issue, he’s got it wrong.”

  105. Winston Smith says:

    I also used to be an avid reader of Bolts blog, but almost overnight got banned, while some of the most outrageous crap was printed. The day that only 1 out of 12 posts got printed was when I stopped.
    You’re right, IT it’s an open sewer.
    The same as Miranda Devine, Piers, etc.
    The Left hate the fact we have our own sites where we get together and exchange ideas. They have to destroy them, it’s an obsession.
    So every time we reply to someone like SoB, Max, etc, our struggles stir up the water and give the Left more oxygen. Instead of replying, we need to send them to Coventry.
    The Cat is next on the list.

  106. Rococo Liberal says:

    Also notice how the topic is Santorum, yet CL’s response is “but… but… Obama!”

    It’s called the tu quoque fallacy, Jarrah.

    It is the debating tactic of the attack-dog of any position. SOmetimes it is a legitimate debating tool, especially if it is used to deflect back to the important issue, away from a minor issue.

    That is how CL, the past-master of the tu quoque, has used it here.

  107. Rococo Liberal says:

    Just passed a VW Caravelle on the way up Bellevue Road. Beside the fact that such a vehicle is a rare sighting in Bellevue Hill, it struck me that it was big enough to carry all of the ALP’s Qld MPs. It would seem that they are now to be back down to 7 as they have now fallen behind in Bullimba. After the SOuth Brisban By Election it could be six.

    The question is what type of vehicle could the MPs travel together in then? I suggest an HR Holden with the front bench seat, would do the trick.

  108. Gab says:

    One of these would suit, RL. It’s the right size and it runs on “green” energy.

  109. Winston Smith says:

    Ideally, RL, a Vespa scooter would do the job, with four of them hanging on for dear life.

  110. JamesK says:

    PJ Media: Al Gore’s Current TV FIRES Keith Olbermann – REPLACED by former NY Governor aka Client #9

    To the Viewers of Current:

    We created Current to give voice to those Americans who refuse to rely on corporate-controlled media and are seeking an authentic progressive outlet. We are more committed to those goals today than ever before.

    Current was also founded on the values of respect, openness, collegiality, and loyalty to our viewers. Unfortunately these values are no longer reflected in our relationship with Keith Olbermann and we have ended it.

  111. Gab says:

    His viewer must be heartbroken.

  112. C.L. says:

    Also notice how the topic is Santorum, yet CL’s response is “but… but… Obama!”

    Dishonest and dumb. The story is about Santorum and Obama – or didn’t you notice? – and, for our purposes, your claim that “anti-war” was not a cogent or meaningful criticism of the latter in the context of who he is as president. It is extremely cogent and meaningful to a) remember that Obama’s rise to fame occurred solely because he opposed the Iraq War (and because he was a “light-skinned negro” who didn’t look or sound too black), Gitmo etc; and b) his defenders are now OK with illegal wars, Gitmo, rendition etc.

  113. JamesK says:

    When you stare into the TV ratings abyss, the abyss doesn’t stare back at you — because she’s already changed the channel

  114. C.L. says:

    Whatever Santorum was going to say, it seems (as with the “black/bleugh” incident) that he sometimes makes unclear, ambiguous utterances.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKIfzoC8D0

  115. JamesK says:

    The Washington Times: Brutal week for Obama, the worst of his presidency

    The past seven brutal days will go down as one of the worst weeks in history for a sitting president. It certainly has been, without any doubt, the worst week yet for President Obama.

    Somehow, Mr. Obama managed to embarrass himself abroad, humiliate himself here at home, see his credentials for being elected so severely undermined that it raises startling questions about whether he should have been elected in the first place — let alone be re-elected later this year.

  116. JamesK says:

    Missed including the last two sentences of that op-ed:

    “Not that you will see any trace of embarrassment in the face of Mr. Obama. He has mastered the high political art of shamelessness, wearing it smugly and cockily. Kind of like a hoodie.”

  117. blogstrop says:

    “…raises startling questions about whether he should have been elected in the first place…”

    I’m amazed that it’s taken so long. Anyone who’s startled hasn’t been paying attention.

  118. Jumpnmcar says:

    Yes yes, tweet and facebook share like crazy about turning the lights of for an hour.
    Because

    “Our plea is simple – please switch off electricity for an hour and save energy,” said Vinod.

    Meanwhile conputer server thingys go into meltdown.
    And temperature also goes down, obviously.

  119. Jumpnmcar says:

    Its all about indoctrinating the kiddies before they develop common sense.

    On Halloween, in the not to distant future, the kids’ll be expecting a bowl full of carbon credits or they’ll vandalise my meter box.

    *sigh*

  120. It’s sad how older, white conservative men resent their children and grandchildren believing in science.

  121. Gab says:

    Just your humble Apple store in Shanghai.
    —–

    Steveland.

    —–

    Ahhh, the yoof of today. No manors at all.

  122. Gab says:

    That’s not a dog.

    This is a dog.
    ———-

    Menu du jour, Beijing. Go on, try one. Looks yummy.

  123. Max Scream says:

    A lawyer representing an American soldier accused of killing of 17 Afghan civilians said Friday that his client’s defense is being compromised by the military’s withholding of evidence gathered during its investigation of the crimes.

    … because the witnesses complain of the involvement of more than one US soldier.

  124. Gab says:

    One day soon, Max the yelper will actually learn how to use the quote button correctly.

    But I make no promises.

  125. Kelly of Kenmore says:

    because the witnesses complain of the involvement of more than one US soldier.

    Another day, another imperial overlord cover up.

  126. Jarrah says:

    “your claim that “anti-war” was not a cogent or meaningful criticism of the latter in the context of who he is as president.”

    Dishonest and dumb. Let me break it down for you in small words: he is trying to say bad things about someone; he thinks “anti-war” is a bad thing. Scary.

  127. Max Scream says:

    YAKIM: As 8-year-old Noorbinak watched her parents desperately trying to fend off the intruder, he turned his gun on her and shot her in the leg.

    NOORBINAK (Translation): One entered the room and the others were standing in the yard, holding lights.

    YAKIM: I’m struck by her reference to more than one soldier being involved – a claim repeated by the brother of one of the victims…. Staff Sergeant Bales left the scene of the killings in Alkozai village and walked in the darkness back to the base… At 2:30am, he left Camp Belambai a second time. He headed to the village of Najiban to the south, about 1.5km from the base. He was spotted by another Afghan guard as he walked into the night. The soldier entered the house of this farmer, Mohammed Wazir – 11 family members were asleep inside.

    MOHAMMAD WAZIR (Translation): They attacked during the night. They knocked on the door. When they knocked on the door my elderly mother, who opened the door, and was shot and killed right there and then they entered the inside – they went in to my room and killed my family in that room. And then they brought all the bodies and put them into one room and then they took all the linen and the blankets from the cupboard and covered them and set them on fire.

    Dateline, SBS, the only one doing the journalism.

  128. C.L. says:

    No no. Anti-war was a bad thing because candidate Obama’s ensemble criticism of the Iraq War involved false claims of ‘illegality’ and grossly, hilariously hypocritical notions about the putatively deleterious consequences of the war’s impact on America’s ‘image abroad.’ Obama was also wrong about the Surge, falsely claimed Americans in Afghanistan were “just air-raiding villages and killing civilians” and, of course, went on to wage illegal wars not approved by Congress.

    …he thinks “anti-war” is a bad thing.

    No, he simply described candidate Obama accurately.

  129. Jc says:

    You scare easily jazzabelle?

  130. Gab says:

    Well done Kelly, Max!

  131. Infidel Tiger says:

    The Left hate the fact we have our own sites where we get together and exchange ideas. They have to destroy them, it’s an obsession.

    Conquest’s 2nd law of politics: “Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left wing.”

    Bolt is now a captive of the left and much be treated as such. He is our enemy and must be scorned.

  132. Max Scream says:

    Well done Kelly, Max!

    The old way your eye fell directly on what I’m writing now.

  133. dover_beach says:

    Good to see the Catholic Bishops here in Victoria circulate a pastoral letter on federal attempts to subvert the meaning of marriage.

  134. Max Scream says:

    Its time for the Catholic Church to stay out of politics.

    I mean they eventually stayed out of science, so there’s hope.

    Marriage has a civil component and for some a religious one.

    The solution is simple: advise your flock on the religious content.

  135. Jc says:

    The Left hate the fact we have our own sites where we get together and exchange ideas. They have to destroy them, it’s an obsession.

    It disturbs them greatly. It’s why you read about how objectionable rightwing sites lke this one are unacceptable.

    Sanchez’s every comment at the Trop mentions this site for me thing or another.

    He lurks here and his heart rate goes up. He can’t comment because he’s moderated seeing the ownership possibly thinks he’s a loon and don’t like him.

  136. Kelly of Kenmore says:

    Imperial leaders hate this kind of bloodletting especially in this social media age. Instant communication makes massacres PR nightmares. When you feed the populace self-righteous bullshit, the skull beneath the skin must be well wrapped lest people succumb to natural urges.

    Bales saw the skull and reacted accordingly. His honest hatred for those he was sent to kill fucks with smiley face narratives.

  137. Max Scream says:

    I don’t think of myself as belonging to a club and most blogs really function as cheer squads for our heroic blog leader or leaders.

  138. Max Scream says:

    The trouble is that if we admit we hate them then we acknowledge that we’re not wanted there and that our intervention is an invasion.

  139. dover_beach says:

    Its time for the Catholic Church to stay out of politics.

    Really? The Church and Catholics should stay out of the public square. I suppose you would have told Martin Luther King Jr. to stay out of the public square too.

    Marriage has a civil component and for some a religious one.

    Quite, what does this distinction have to do with the proposed attempt to subvert the meaning of marriage? Nothing at all. It isn’t only subverting the religious meaning of marriage, it is subverting the meaning of marriage per se.

  140. Max Scream says:

    The state allows the Church to discriminate within its own institutions because it wants to stay out of Church affairs, rather than impose its own secular, universal values, so some reciprocation might be useful.

  141. C.L. says:

    The state doesn’t “allow” us to do anything.

    We do what we think is right and if a government tries to stop us, we’ll destroy them.

  142. Jarrah says:

    “Its time for the Catholic Church to stay out of politics.”

    Don’t be ridiculous. No-one should stay out of politics. Everyone imposed upon by the social contract needs to make their voice heard, or the system doesn’t work.

    Besides, some of the strongest fighters against dictators and fascism have been Catholic, and some of the strongest defenders of the poor and oppressed.

  143. JamesK says:

    Its time for the Catholic Church to stay out of politics.

    I see Minnie Scum is doing more of what Minnie Skunk does, spreading more sh1t.

    Modern western science wouldn’t exist in a recognisable form, if at all, without the Catholic Church.

  144. JamesK says:

    The state allows the Church to discriminate within its own institutions because it wants to stay out of Church affairs, rather than impose its own secular, universal values, so some reciprocation might be useful.

    Bollox.

  145. Gab says:

    Ah, so that’s their problem. Explains a lot.

    STUDY of voters’ sexual activity finds far-right-wingers have the most sex and far-left-wingers are most sexually frustrated.

  146. John Mc says:

    The Church is a balance to the State, just like the corporate business world world is a balance to the State, and secular Civil Society is a balance to the State, the corporate business world, and the Church.

    It’s an essential separation of powers and they should all pass judgment on each other all the time.

  147. dover_beach says:

    “Discriminate”? Apparently you find it discriminatory to distinguish two categorical different types of relationship. That marriage per se is a union between a man and a woman is common to both civil and religious marriages in all ages and in all societies. The claim that this is only the case so far as religious marriages are concerned is simply sectarianism dressed in a cheap suit.

  148. C.L. says:

    Re the News Ltd blogs, yes they’re hopeless comments-wise. They may as well go InstaPundit and exclude comments altogether. But that is what these people do for a living. They’re company men and their employer wants the journalistic/blogging content to be associated with their company. If commenters want to write whatever they like online, there’s nothing stopping them from starting a blog.

    Speaking more generally, there’s no point being too much of a loyalist with some of these multi-media types. Look at Alan Jones – a rural socialist idiot railing against mining and cheap food. Ray Hadley: a know-all blabbermouth whose background in the communist sheltered workshop of taxi-driving has fitted him for nothing, commentary-wise, vis-a-vis economics, small government or liberty.

    So look, cheer when they say or do something you like but don’t sob when they run off in some other direction.

  149. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    Kelly:

    So we have worked out just about anything can be a terrorist attack as the MSM will just repeat what an army or government says and they love to throw the word terrorism around.

    Correct. Which is why we strictly define that word, don’t use its MSM meaning etc. It’s why I DID use that word when talking to you about islamist violence. That will not be a familar term for you, whereas ‘terrorist’ is.

    In other words, I was simplifying, and using terms familiar to you.

    I suppose you will now tell me that islamic terrorist attack does not have to have anything to do with islam and only has to be perpetrated by a muslim then we can come up with your really large number.

    This statement actually has no meaning in my context. The ‘large number’ is a raw figure, ‘events of islamist violence’. Your odd statement above actually questions intent. That’s hard to judge sometimes, easy other times.

    Example. Let’s say Mohammad drives up to the school and shoots a dad and four moppets to death. If the Dad was the bloke who’s been porking Mohammad’s wife (who Mohammad burned alive this morning) and the kids porkerdad’s as well, and the school’s a Madrassa, then intent is probably honour/personal/criminal.

    But if Mohammad murdered a rabbi and four Jewish kiddies outside a Jewish school in Toulouse while screamin Allah Akbar and video taping it to put on the bloody internet… oh, wait.

    D’ya reckon the intent was ‘jihadist/islamist/terrorist’ or ‘personal/criminal’, KL?

    What’s your call?

    By definition, ‘islamist terrorist acts’ must be smaller than that raw figure of 19,000+ even though each is an islamist attack, and there are finer and finer sets down the definition chains. So one set is ‘jemaah Islamiyah terror acts in Indonesia’, then even that sub-divides.

    If you are studying the workings of the ‘religious war’ islamists are waging on everyone else, this sort of detail is necessary.

    Do you understand now?

  150. Jarrah says:

    If he did resign because of the experiments’ poor showing, that’s terrible.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17560379#TWEET118756

    The head of an experiment that appeared to show subatomic particles travelling faster than the speed of light has resigned from his post.

    Reports said some members of his group, called Opera, had wanted him to resign.

    Earlier in March, a repeat experiment found that the particles, known as neutrinos, did not exceed light speed.

  151. Jarrah says:

    Hey Mk, what do you think about this?

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/03/navy-lasers-four-years/

    The dream of sailors, nerds and sailor-nerds everywhere is on the verge of coming true, senior Navy technologists swear. Within four years, they claim they’ll have a working prototype of a laser cannon, ready to place aboard a ship. And they’re just months away from inviting defense contractors to bid on a contract to build it for them.

    “Subsonic cruise missiles, aircraft, fast-moving boats, unmanned aerial vehicles” — Mike Deitchman, who oversees future weapons development for the Office of Naval Research, promises Danger Room that the Navy laser cannons just over the horizon will target them all.

  152. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    Gab. that’s hilarious.

    But looking at the left’s females… well a fuglier collection of harridans, thin-lipped wowsers, bloodless soulless kommisars and hatchet-faced bitches you’d never want to meet.

    And I have not even started on the left’s femenazis and lesbians yet. The combine the looks of a bucket of smashed crabs with the personality of rotting cunjevoi.

    The smell is similar to the latter, too.

    Or addressed their personality and voices. Gillard and Wong sound like Maxie the NSDAP Squealboy screeching as he’s mercilessly sodomised by the djinn Asmoday the Thorn-cocked. Seriously, you can cut tin with Juliar’s bogan nasal screeches… I mean normal conversation.

    The right’s women tend to be hot.

    The left’s ‘men’ tend to cowards, cutpurses, metro’s, traitors, homo’s, poseurs and peddokiddiefiddlers, the right’s to the type you’ll find in combat situations.

    Thank God the left do not breed.

  153. C.L. says:

    I hope the US Navy calls it the Archimedes System.

  154. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    http://www.spacedaily.com/news/laser-04r.html

    Jarrah, almost there.

    There’s video of this test around somewhere too.

  155. John H. says:

    If he did resign because of the experiments’ poor showing, that’s terrible.

    More likely he resigned because some members of the group didn’t want the results published without further work, let alone making public releases challenging one of the most verified findings in science.

    It highlights an increasing problem in science generally. For example, just this week a meta-analysis of cancer studies found most were hopelessly flawed.

  156. Gab says:

    That’s terrible wot you done wrote, MK. Terrible but imaginative and amusing.

  157. JamesK says:

    Honesty not publishing politically correct results is what science depends on.

    It’s without doubt the reason why modern climate science is a joke.

    This is how science is supposed to work.

    They checked and double checked their reults before publishing and they had no explanation.

    It is a disgrace if he resigned because he felt humiliated.

    The anomaly was resolved.

    That’s how the process works.

  158. Jarrah says:

    Wow. That’s some mighty bitterness you’ve got there, Mk. Got rejected at a peace march once or something?

  159. Jarrah says:

    I agree with 85.7% of that, JamesK.

  160. Gab says:

    Jarrah, who is Dr Geoff Davies and why did he ‘rip you a new one’ (as they say in the classics)?

  161. blogstrop says:

    Bolt is now a captive of the left and much be treated as such. He is our enemy and must be scorned.

    I think it’s quite wrong to start saying things like that about Bolt. He was damaged by the left, and the means to that damage was judicial activism and political correctness overstepping the line of rational regulation. Even Adele Horin has recognised this in her latest article.
    That decision should have been appealed all the way to the High Court, if necessary. I believe News Ltd let him down on that one. I’d say if he finds another employer it’ll be down to that.
    In the end I agree with CL, if the comments sections of most News Ltd blogs are overloaded with dross they should ditch them. So far, only Tim Blair has maintained a firm grip on this aspect, and if Miranda, Piers, and Bolt can’t do likewise, let it go.
    The vitriol that has been sprayed at Janet Albrechtsen in The Australian (haven’t checked recently, gave up reading any comments under her articles) is a disgrace and should not be allowed.

  162. Jarrah says:

    I think the comment you are referring to was approving of the way I ripped him a new one, Gab, not the other way around.

  163. Fisky says:

    Santorum is just weird. He called Obama an “anti-war government nigg..” and in another speech said he didn’t “want to make bla.. people’s lives better by giving them someone else’s money”

    These are some disturbing slips of the tongue that will harm him in any general election. Luckily, he won’t be the candidate.

  164. John H. says:

    Gab. that’s hilarious.

    Did you read that article? Seems more like the far right are root rats who are never satisfied.

    But these extra partners don’t seem to satisfy the far-right, as 31 per cent of them declare themselves unhappy with their sex life, compared to 26 per cent in the population as a whole and 21 per cent among Socialists.

    The study is from France with 1411 in the sample, not big enough for me. And there is the cultural issue to consider. But no worry, just run off with another rant how the entire left is ugly and stupid.

    Why do you even trust studies like this? It is like people claiming that conservatives are more anti-science than liberals. Tis bollocks, except for the fact that vast majority of USA scientists identify as left wing. If you’re going to accept studies like the above then accept studies claiming conservatives are dumber on average than liberals, which is consistent with them being poorly represented in science.

    Stop referencing all these crap studies. In all of the above there is a methodological flaw: no-one considers how people of differing political persuasions respond to surveys and studies. Additionally, look who commissioned the study. Seriously, you’re placing absolute faith in study commissioned by a porn mag. Don’t you understand how to analyse a study?

  165. Jarrah says:

    Don’t disturb Gab, John. She’s reading my blog. 🙂

  166. Gab says:

    John. I didn’t take it seriously at all. I thought it hilarious at best – not just the spurious “research” but that it was even reported as “news”. I posted it here because we’ve had other postings of such but denigrating right wingers. So this was to “balance” things, and as a bit of lark.

  167. Gab says:

    Jarrah your blog attracts some important people (exhibit Dr Geoff’s replies to your condemnation of his work). Of course it’s a good read.

  168. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    Gab:

    That’s terrible wot you done wrote, MK. Terrible but imaginative and amusing.

    Thanks! It was intended to give people a bit of a chuckle.

    Jarrah:

    Wow. That’s some mighty bitterness you’ve got there, Mk. Got rejected at a peace march once or something?

    Nope. No bitterness. Just the experience of working with those worthless swine in Canberra. That’s just what they are. Contemptible yes, but mostly I pitied them.

    Those descriptions are accurate and from observed behaviour, you see.

    I love peace marches. Truly.

    Waaay back in my university days we used to smash them up. They used the uni’s anarchists to smash up our social events, and turn about is fair play. My, didn’t the lefties squeal and complain about our little flying squad. But beforehand, they’d been so delighted when students at indoor semi-private conservative social events got hospitalised by their pet anarchists with broken bones and on two occasions stab wounds.

    After the latter, a couple of dozen of us decided that enough was enough and that turn about was fair play (but we used no knives ever).

    Turned out the cowards could dish it out by the bucketful, but they could not take it in return by the thimbleful.

    Using their own tactics against them was unfair, you see.

    When they meet solid counter-attack, the left turn out to be spineless cowards. The anarchists did too. That was a fun, fun payback night, as they had nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. Vengeance is best served as a complete surprise and in overwhelming force. it worked. They never did it again.

  169. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    JohnH, that’s why I describes the article as hilarious. It’s not serious, it has to be poking a bit of fun, nothing more.

  170. JC says:

    The dream of sailors, nerds and sailor-nerds everywhere is on the verge of coming true, senior Navy technologists swear. Within four years, they claim they’ll have a working prototype of a laser cannon, ready to place aboard a ship.

    But if both sides get the technology it still becomes a case of who shoots first.

  171. Jumpnmcar says:

    And the Thomsometer keeeeeeps oooon a ticken.

  172. John H. says:

    JohnH, that’s why I describes the article as hilarious. It’s not serious, it has to be poking a bit of fun, nothing more.

    Fair enough MK50. Ironically less than 6 minutes ago on another blog regarding the right and left I stated that the studies are crap. Most of them are. Relying on self reports is not enough for me though it seems many have implicit faith in self reports. I don’t, I think any self-reports must be set against the actual behavior of individuals. By their fruits ye shall know them …

  173. Mother Hubbard's Dog says:
  174. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    Stalin and the Macho Cult of mass Murder.

    Gotta get Verbrannte Erde if it comes out in English. My German’s not really up to it these days.

  175. Gab says:

    Oops. Apologies, John. I thought you were addressing me over the article. I see now your comment was directed to MK. Didn’t mean to butt in.

  176. JC says:

    Fme. This is really getting interesting.

    The Dollar BTU equivalent of a gallon oil vs a gallon of liquid gas in the US is now 23 cents for oil vs 4.76 cents for a gallon of gas. That’s West Texas Intermediate (oil). For Brent basis it would be 27.5 cents vs 4.76 cents… (5.75 times) 17% the cost of oil.

    Arbitrage this and you will become a billionaire overnight virtually.

    On a serious note the US refiners are switching to gas in order to fire up the refiners which further reduces their cost.

    Cummins Engines (truck engine maker) has come out with a gas fired turbo charged truck engine and in fact has an entire suite of gas fired engines.

    This arbitrage is amazing. It will literally transform the US and a decent part of the world putting the mid east on the side forever. Fuck’em.

  177. JC says:

    When I say 1 gallon of gas , I mean 1 gallon of LPG.

  178. Max Scream says:

    The only problem with energy self-sufficiency in the us is that it will lay waste to farm land and the Canadian wildnerness, which will in turn contribute to AGW.

  179. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    JC, that’s soul music.

    The Saudi oil ticks reduced to regional suppliers? Everything changes. We can just wall those barbarians off and let them cook in their own stewpot.

    Time to pop the champagne!

  180. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    Oh look, Maxie the NSDAP Squealboy’s back.

    Sod off swampy. The adults are talking.

    JC, I think you mean 1 gallon of LNG (methane) not LPG (butane/propane)??

  181. Max Scream says:

    Notice: nary a word about the CPSU:

    Baberowski goes back to Stalin’s native Georgia, where friendship and honor did not have the same connotations as they did in the tsarist empire. Stalin admired the leaders of robber bands, fighters who obeyed their commanders unconditionally, archaic fighting societies where banishment or death were the punishment for betrayal.

    According to the author, Stalin’s understanding of domination was somewhat akin to the Mafia’s, and he forced those in his inner circle to carry out his every order unquestioningly.

    Stalin, Baberowski writes, met all the criteria of the typical psychopath: he was manipulative, with no conscience, incapable of remorse or empathy. It was this psychopathic personality structure that not only unleashed such massively destructive forces but also bound other psychopaths and sadists to him – violent men who publically acted out “the macho cult of killing” wearing army boots, uniforms, military insignia, and pistol holsters. These men viewed empathy or even tolerance with detestation.

  182. JC says:

    Yes LNG..

    It’s the same crap to me. 🙂

  183. JC says:

    The only problem with energy self-sufficiency in the us is that it will lay waste to farm land and the Canadian wildnerness, which will in turn contribute to AGW.

    Stop being an idiot. The square miles required is very low. And Canada is a fucking waste anyway Bob, you moron. It’s a fucking iceberg!

  184. JamesK says:

    Breitbart: Hoodie-Wearing Gunmen Kill 1, Wound 5 in Bobby Rush’s Chicago District

    Former Black Panther Rep. Bobby Rush (D-IL) made quite a fuss when he donned a “hoodie” during a speech in the U.S. House of Representatives until he was escorted out. At the time, former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) “applauded his courage” for doing so.

    Meanwhile, back home in Rush’s district, two men wearing hooded sweatshirts, or “hoodies,” were the shooters in an incident that left one dead and five injured.

    In fact, during a span of six-hours Thursday night, 13 people were shot, leaving two dead in Chicago. It would seem it takes more courage to simply walk down the street in Rush’s district than it does to wear a hooded sweatshirt in the House of Representatives by way of a stunt in a bizarre tribute to a young man shot and killed in Florida during a shooting incident still under investigation.

  185. JC says:

    And Bob, this stuff is deep under ground, it’s not above ground like tar sands which is open cut although the land can be later reclaimed). Get your fucking sources right before you go around spouting bullshit.

    Tar sands is messy for the immediate area, however the other stuff like fracking is just sticking a pipe underground.

    Bob, your uselessness is really starting to piss me off now.

  186. Max Scream says:

    You’re a coon in the us but a nigger in the uk – i thought it was the other way around:

    Scotland Yard is facing a racism scandal after a black man used his mobile phone to record police officers subjecting him to a tirade of abuse in which he was told: “The problem with you is you will always be a nigger”.

    The recording, obtained by the Guardian, was made by the 21-year-old after he was stopped in his car, arrested and placed in a police van the day after last summer’s riots.

    The man, from Beckton, east London, said he was made to feel “like an animal” by police. He has also accused one officer of kneeling on his chest and strangling him.

    In the recording, a police officer can be heard admitting he strangled the man because he was “a cunt”. Moments later, another officer – identified by investigators as PC Alex MacFarlane – subjects the man to a succession of racist insults and adds: “You’ll always have black skin. Don’t hide behind your colour.”

    The Independent Police Complaints Commission referred the case to the Crown Prosecution Service on the basis that three officers, including MacFarlane, may have committed criminal offences.

    The CPS initially decided no charges should be brought against any of the police officers. However on Thursday, the service said it would review the file after lawyers for the man threatened to challenge the decision in a high court judicial review. MacFarlane has been suspended.

    The inquiry began after the victim handed his mobile phone to a custody desk in Forest Gate police station and told officers he had been abused.

  187. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    Squeler, go and enter onanist’s heaven with your Die Sturmer collection.

    JC, FMD that’s a huge difference in cost/BTU between crude and gas.

    I actually suspect it’s between compressed methane (pipeline gas), not cryogenic liquid. The cryo and regas cycles adds serious costs, which is why people mostly use pipelines on continents.

    There’s real cost savings with coal seam gas too – it’s all methane as it’s hydraulically bonded in the porous coal structure. No CO2 like in conventional gas (but no profitable propanes, butanes, parrafin liquids and waxes, or condensate either). Shale has some CO2 but I dunno how much. Formation dependent IIRC.

    Irrespective, that’s all damn near irrelevant as that BTU comparison shows.

    How the hell does arbitrage work??

  188. JC says:

    At the time, former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) “applauded his courage” for doing so.

    She’s really fucking deranged. She actually makes Tubbie Milne look good.

    I sure hope Botox Pelosi sticks around as she’s the best weapon the GOP has against the Demolitionists.

  189. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    JC – when our little Jew-baiting homo little Ernst Rohm fanboi appears, just say ‘sod off swampy’.

    It is, in any case, incapable of participation in adult conversation.

  190. Peter Patton says:

    db

    I’ve been some learning on empiricism, and have to write a paper on Locke’s Human Understanding. Which is the most interesting/easiest 🙂 innateness; ideas; primary/secondary qualities; identity/persons; knowledge?

  191. JC says:

    How the hell does arbitrage work??

    It’s just a highfalutin for swapping from one to the other, MK.

    Some large industry sectors have their own energy sources like refiners and fertilizer companies.

    Commercial road Transport could make the switch to gas and pocket the difference.

    For example an East Coast transport firm could switch to gas and cut their costs by almost six times… more in fact as they are on a Brent Standard.

    I was talking to an investor relations guy at a nuke fuel form last night in fact as their electricity contracts come up in May and wanted to know what it was looking like. He told me that that they’re switching over to gas/electricity suppliers for the next period and hope to save around 20% on the $800 million annual power bills. That’s 160 million positive hit to the bottom line!

    Get rid of the fucking Kenyan and I am so bulled up the US economy that you would have to pin my ears back. This gas/energy stuff is absolutely transformative to the US economy in such a huge way that I almost find unbelievable.

    I want to mortgage everything including my wife and kids to get more money and invest in US stocks.

  192. JC says:

    Here’s another industry to look at. The Fertilzer industry is set for a huge cost reduction due to the price of energy falling in the US.

    I never knew this shit, but fertilizer is a big energy user.

    China has huge demand for fertilizer going forward as their soils aren’t rich in nutrients, so demand is going to be there.

    Any US based fertilizer firm like POTASH will absolutely cream it.

  193. Jarrah says:

    “Those descriptions are accurate”

    Sure they are. Not a word out of place, not a skerrick of hyperbole. In fact, I’m pretty sure the left doesn’t let anyone who isn’t a coward, cutpurse, metro, traitor, homo, poseur or peddokiddiefiddler join their club. And obviously only those who can combine one or more of those categories can be considered for leadership positions. Anyone who ticks all the boxes automatically gets to be King Non-Gendered Monarch of the Left.

  194. JamesK says:

    Get rid of the fucking Kenyan and I am so bulled up the US economy that you would have to pin my ears back

    That’s the key.

    If the market has confidence the GOP candidate will win and the Senate will change hands, it will skyrocket (which ironically will help Obummer).

  195. Gab says:

    What are Obama’s achievements since 2009?

  196. dover_beach says:

    PP, they’re all much of a muchness with Locke; that is, slipshod but quite easy to understand why. The general opinion among Locke scholars is that his thought taken in its parts is slipshod (very few people are Lockeans regarding any of those ideas/ things), but taken together the shoddiness slips from view and can be forgiven given his overall project. I’d go for identity/ persons and I’d look to begin with at Ed Feser’s book simply called Locke.

  197. JamesK says:

    What are Obama’s achievements since 2009?

    TFTFY

  198. kae says:

    Gab

    What are Obama’s achievements since 2009?

    He’s a community organiser… I suppose he’s been organising communities.

  199. Jarrah says:

    “What are Obama’s achievements since 2009?”

    Depends what you mean by ‘achievements’. Amazingly, there’s a website called http://obamaachievements.org that has a list. I guess they’re feeling the heat, and felt defensive.

  200. Gab says:

    Good Lord, are there no lefties hanging around? Or do they think Obama has achieved nothing positive for the US since 2009?

  201. Gab says:

    Depends what you mean by ‘achievements’.

    I won’t make it complex for you, Jarrah:

    achieve·ment
    noun \?-?ch?v-m?nt\
    Definition of ACHIEVEMENT
    1
    : the act of achieving : accomplishment
    2
    a : a result gained by effort b : a great or heroic deed
    »
    See achievement defined for kids »

    Hope that clears it up for you. 🙂

  202. JamesK says:

    He won the US Presidential election in 2008

  203. Jarrah says:

    Ha bloody ha, Gab. Don’t give up your day job.

  204. Gab says:

    Thanks for the link, Jarrah. I’ll read it tomorrow.

    I was hoping someone/anyone could just roll off his achievements quickly. Never mind.

  205. Peter Patton says:

    db

    OK, thanks for that, and I’ll take your advice. So, if I start posting to you arguments with that language, you’ll know where it’s coming from.

  206. Jarrah says:

    Don’t get your hopes up. It includes things like “Got his daughters a puppy!”, and “March jobs data showed biggest growth in three years” – I’m pretty sure that last one wasn’t his doing. But then again, I don’t think the high unemployment was his doing either, so you’ll probably want to discount my opinion.

  207. Max Scream says:

    Get rid of the fucking Kenyan and I am so bulled up the US economy that you would have to pin my ears back. This gas/energy stuff is absolutely transformative to the US economy in such a huge way that I almost find unbelievable.

    Calling an American a Kenyan because he’s black makes you what …?

  208. Gab says:

    Jarrah no need to get defensive. I simply wanted a list and you provided. Thank you.

    ========================

    People, don’t forget to celebrate Earth Hour.

    Advert for the cause here.

  209. blogstrop says:

    Just checked comments at Bolt’s on the David Murray thread and it looks better than it used to!

  210. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    Yeah JC fertiliser is a huge energy user.

    Aluminium smelting (alumina to metal) is the most energy intensive industrial process on Earth AFAIK. Aluminium is not called crystallised electricity for nowt.

    Another is oil production from tar sands!

    You are right. This has implications right across the US economy in cutting their cost structures.

    If they can get rid of Preshizzle (Paco ™) Odumbugger and get government out of the way of business, their economy is going to go thru the roof.

    Buy your cheap US goods now, folks!

  211. JamesK says:

    Apparently the creepy scum that is min Slime is now boldly finger-wagging

    Doesn’t this by ur own pathetic admission mean u now need to get out and about more, minnie?

    U morally depraved fvckwit.

  212. Pedro the Ignorant says:

    Why are you shouting all the time, Max, you rude bastard?

    It’s getting old.

  213. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    Guys.

    Just respond with “Sod off swampy”

    Nothing else, and it will wither away from lack of attention.

  214. Tal says:

    Pedro,I think Max is a crazy deaf uncle.Joe can translate his nonsense if needed

  215. Tal says:

    Mark remember the first sod of swampy incident? Gone are the days….

  216. Carpe Jugulum says:

    Calling an American a Kenyan because he’s black makes you what …?

    A realist.

    Sod.off.swampy.

  217. Abu Chowdah says:

    And there is the cultural issue to consider.

    That French men habitually lie about their sex lives? Indeed.

  218. Jarrah says:

    “Calling an American a Kenyan because he’s black makes you what …?”

    Stupid.

  219. Abu Chowdah says:

    Gab, a legitimate study of dissatisfaction with sex lives WOULD show that more left wing couples are unhappy. That’s because lesbian and gay couples have been shown to have less sex than straight couples over the length of their relationships. Especially lezzers who become almost sexless in time. Lots of hugging, though.

  220. Winston Smith says:

    Don’t forget JK, he won the Nobel prize because they thought he might do something. But they don’t know what.

  221. JamesK says:

    The Nobel Peace Prize.

    How could I have forgotten?

    And the taxpayer funded Sydney Peace Prize is going beggin’ for Bazzer

  222. Rabz says:

    Human Progress Hour is on, Earthians!

    Fire up those wondrous carbon emitting devices!

  223. Abu Chowdah says:

    About to board a jet plane. Suck on that, earth hour catastropharians!

  224. Rabz says:

    Timely, Chowds – enjoy!

  225. JamesK says:

    Freedom for all incestuously bonded carbon!

    When do we want it?

    Now!

    Carbon atoms who enjoy warmth should be free to enjoy polyamorous bonding with oxygen!

    Maximum domestic carbon release now!

  226. Irving J says:

    All my lights are on for Human Achievement Hour

  227. Token says:

    Human Progress Hour is on, Earthians!

    Fire up those wondrous carbon emitting devices!

    Time to party like it is 1999BC

  228. blogstrop says:

    I support the marriage of Carbon and Oxygen, though the relationship be uneven.

  229. JamesK says:

    A relationship where too much bigamy is never enuff.

  230. Rabz says:

    Freo and Geelong – an absolute corker.

  231. Winston Smith says:

    I can turn off the aircons now?
    It’s bloody cold!

  232. Tal says:

    Open the windows Winston 🙂

  233. dover_beach says:

    It is Rabz. But no where near as good as last night. Carn the Hawks!

  234. Rabz says:

    Yes DB, very annoyed I forgot to watch last night’s mach – wasn’t happy about Sydney FC losing.

  235. dover_beach says:

    And right at the death. I would have been ‘forgetful’ too.

  236. Rabz says:

    T’was a crazy last ten minutes…

  237. Mk50 of Brisbane says:

    All hail Tim Blair’s Hour of Power!

    What’s on at Casa Mk50?

    6cyl diesel running outside. Flood lights. 7 aircons. all domestic appliances. Oven (filled with rib roast beef) on, entre of Gulf prawns (198kg of CO2 per kilo, sez Blair!) 44 light globes. 2 TV, 1 desktop, 5 laptops between 3 of us

    Dammit my 38 year old V-8 is in the shop.

    take that, Gaia!

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