The Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance Launch

Tim Andrews is launching a new organisation – The Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance – in Sydney on May 1. Details of launch here.

So what do they plan to do?

What is the Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance?

The Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance (ATA) is an innovative new activist organisation, dedicated to fighting Australia’s crippling levels of taxation, over-regulation, and government waste through the creation of an empowered and highly-mobilised grassroots movement.

Why is the Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance needed?

Political discourse in Australia is been dominated by numerous highly effective left-wing astroturf groups such as GetUp!, with no counterpoint challenging them or providing public support for sound public policy. As a result, the Australian economy is being strangled by high taxation, excessive regulation, and government waste, and unless we change course, Australia faces long term economic disaster. The ATA shall be critical in educating, activating and mobilising Australians to support sound policy, and provide the momentum necessary to convert this into legislator reform.

How is the Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance different from the CIS or the IPA?

The Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance is not a think tank: it is a do tank! Rather than focussing on conducting research, or influencing opinion leaders, the activities of the ATA shall be directed towards educating and activating everyday Australians, thereby creating an effective grassroots movement for change.

Is this a right-wing GetUp?

No! In contrast to the out-dated command-and-control style micromanagement structure of GetUp!, the Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance is a decentralised network designed to empower individuals to take action in their own communities, and create their own ‘franchises’ within an appropriate framework. As such, the ATA activities shall be directed through the proven more-effective ‘bottom-up’ method, in contrast to the out-dated top-down approach used by GetUp. This key difference will ensure that the ATA shall become considerably more effective than GetUp!, while requiring less resources.

Why the name Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance?

Australian taxpayers are presently unrepresented in political debate where special interest groups and ‘rent seekers’ dominate. As such, hard-working Australian taxpayers shall have a voice in political discourse. Furthermore, due to the decentralised structure of the ATA, numerous subsidiaries will be established under the overall ATA framework, providing further opportunities for different branding and demographic micro-targeting.

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163 Responses to The Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance Launch

  1. Gavin R. Putland

    Welcome to the anti-carbon-tax alliance. Right-wing astroturfing good. Left-wing astroturfing bad.

  2. jtfsoon

    I presume Steve from Brisbane is automatically disqualified until he sorts out his tax issues

  3. JC

    Does Birdy know that John Humphreys is on the board?

    Birdie, you’re reaction please.

  4. Evan Thomas

    Perhaps as a start the ATA or one of its experts could publish levels and percentages of taxation in other countries. I am not an expert but I understood levels of VAT (GST} are e.g. higher in Europe but direct tax is lower here. Good luck!! An informed voter is better for democracy.

  5. .

    It’s not astroturfing Gavin. I am thinking of joining.

  6. m0nty

    Grassroots lolol. Full of Liberal apparatchiks and economists. The ED is on the board of the HR Nicholls Society, for Pete’s sake. Couldn’t be more astroturf.

    Is this a right-wing GetUp? No, GetUp is successful. This is going to die in the arse.

    If the right really want to form a conduit between the think tank crowd and the grassroots, they have to put the hand of friendship out to the Convoy of No Confidence mob. That’s your Tea Party demographic right there: old, white, lower-middle-class people. People of the land. Common clay of the new Australia. You know… morons. I see no such connection being made here, it’s all urban intellectual elites.

  7. JC

    Monster

    You’re sounding hysterical and bitter. What’s the problem? Can I help?

  8. .

    “full of economists”

    We’re people too. Don’t make us cry.

    This will not die in the arse. Get up is only successful as an attention seeker and giving some ALP hacks a sinecure.

    Lefties ought to join this. The Australian tax system stinks so badly. It is horrendous.

  9. m0nty

    You’re sounding whiny and beta male, JC. I know your problem. It’s beyond help.

  10. Gab

    old, white, lower-middle-class people. People of the land. Common clay of the new Australia. You know… morons.

    Spoken like a true Labor party slimer.

  11. Token

    That’s your Tea Party demographic right there: old, white, lower-middle-class people. People of the land. Common clay of the new Australia. You know… morons. I see no such connection being made here, it’s all urban intellectual elites.

    LOL, you have the most amazing inter-personal skills M0nty.

    Is there a reason you are drawn to a profession where you spend most of your time by yourself?

  12. m0nty

    I notice none of you are arguing my contention that this is complete astroturf and there is no connection with the grassroots.

  13. Token

    We didn’t miss that point, we got distracted by the fact you seem to need to lace your point with ad hom’s.

    One day you’ll come to understand it makes you sound agressive and takes away from the point you are trying to make.

  14. Grassroots lolol

    Our Liberal (sic) and Liberal-Democratic apparatchiks will beat GetUp’s apparatchiks any day…

  15. Fisky

    LOL, you have the most amazing inter-personal skills M0nty.

    Is there a reason you are drawn to a profession where you spend most of your time by yourself?

    That, and the fact he is a short and hideously fat and ugly middle-aged man. None of these attributes particularly help him.

  16. Gab

    These. are. the people. Monty refers to as

    That’s your Tea Party demographic right there: old, white, lower-middle-class people. People of the land. Common clay of the new Australia. You know… morons.

  17. JC

    I notice none of you are arguing my contention that this is complete astroturf and there is no connection with the grassroots.

    Yea, like GetitUp wis grass roots.

    Fuck off Monster.

  18. .

    monty

    What problem do you have with people complaining about taxes? Taxes do not enrich the working class nor do they make the poor more employable.

  19. It’s hardly a right wing GetUp.

    GetUp was set up by the ALP in order to provide a bridge between it and the loopy left and try and stop the bleeding of voters to the Greens.

    The proof of the ATA’s bona fides will be that they attack both sides of politics equally and don’t run cover for crap federal Coalition or state Liberal policies.

  20. No, GetUp is successful.

    Yes, spectacularly, just look at the recent QLD election…

    /sarc

  21. Fisky

    That’s your Tea Party demographic right there: old, white, lower-middle-class people.

    You mean like GoughUp!, m0nty? The most monochrome “activist” organisation in the country where the average age is 55.

  22. Token

    monty

    What problem do you have with people complaining about taxes? Taxes do not enrich the working class nor do they make the poor more employable.

    I’ve told him before I am working with my local MP who has a senior finance portfolio in the Libs to place a Footy Tipping Blog transaction tax.

    Every post on a footy tipping blog leads to a 1c transaction charge.

    M0nty will be excited as he loves increases in taxes as he believes they create employment and improve the effected industry.

  23. m0nty

    I like this bit in the Who we Are page:

    Timothy Andrews is the creator and Managing Editor of http://www.menzieshouse.com.au and http://www.stopgillardscarbontax.com. He has considerable experience in grassroots and taxpayer advocacy, both in Australia and internationally, including employment at the Washington DC based Americans for Tax Reform. He is not a member of any political party.

    Of course he’s not a member of a political party, particularly not the Liberal Party, with which his interests are totally aligned. That might mean he’d go to a meeting with other members. You know, the grassroots. Many of them don’t use deodorant or toothpaste, you know. Some of them don’t even wear suits.

    Americans for Tax Reform is not grassroots at all, it’s just another Beltway lobby group, funded by the usual suspects like big corporations (e.g. Phillip Morris) and other lobby groups. As this will be. Copping an attitude about how they’re the right’s answer to GetUp is a joke.

  24. JC

    The most monochrome “activist” organisation in the country where the average age is 55.

    And around 90% are retired Canberra based public sector employees.

    That’s fucking diversity for ya.

  25. m0nty

    We didn’t miss that point, we got distracted by the fact you seem to need to lace your point with ad hom’s.

    One day you’ll come to understand it makes you sound agressive and takes away from the point you are trying to make.

    Oh, Token. That is hilarious. Nice work.

  26. Gab

    Still waiting for monty to make an interesting and thoughtful comment sans ad homs and bitterness. Even an original thought would be nice.

  27. JC

    Monster:

    So it’s political affiliation and funding on the right which bothers you?

  28. JC

    It’s the bitterness, that gets me, gab. The sheer bitterness.

  29. Fisky

    I am still waiting for m0nty to apologise for using up the world’s resources and being enormously fat.

  30. Gab

    I like the fact that the union-funded GetUp also states it has no political party allegiance.

  31. John Comnenus

    I am happy to join an advocacy group that represents a minority I happen to be in (net taxpayers).

  32. Infidel Tiger

    The only thing whiter than Get Up are the sheets at the Cold Power factory.

  33. Gab

    Here’s a bit of comedy to lighten the mood:

    GetUp is an independent, grass-roots community advocacy organisation

    GetUp does not back any particular party,

    Here are some of the (alleged) GetUp members.

  34. Oh come on

    That’s your Tea Party demographic right there: old, white, lower-middle-class people. People of the land. Common clay of the new Australia. You know… morons. I see no such connection being made here, it’s all urban intellectual elites.

    I’m feeling bullied.

  35. Infidel Tiger

    mOnty also has to learn what astroturfing acually is.

  36. JC

    I’m feeling bullied.

    Please don’t cry.

  37. m0nty

    monty

    What problem do you have with people complaining about taxes? Taxes do not enrich the working class nor do they make the poor more employable.

    This is the blog where multiple graphs have been posted showing how little income tax the poor pays, isn’t it? Some taxes enrich the working class, because they pay less of it and get more benefit from the services government provides with the money. Taxes pay for the dole and various training initiatives, which definitely make the poor more employable.

    I have no problem with people complaining about regressive taxes. Some taxes are better than others. If the ATA follows the lead of the AFTR, though, they will oppose any and all taxes, which is a dumb position to take. That sort of inflexibility leads to gridlock as happened around the US debt ceiling negotiations. AFTR and similar orgs had signed pollies up to no tax pledges, so they couldn’t agree to otherwise decent outcomes for the right with massive spending cuts because they also included a few smaller tax increases. I hope that sort of idiocy is not part of the strategy of the ATA. They might be able to sign nutjobs like Bernardi up to a pledge but that would just marginalise him further.

  38. boy on a bike

    I assume it’s going to be something like Burning Our Money

  39. m0nty

    You’re so unoriginal, Gab, that you’re even parroting my criticisms of you back at me.

  40. JC

    This is the blog where multiple graphs have been posted showing how little income tax the poor pays, isn’t it?

    No, you’re lying from the getgo, Monster. Bad start.

  41. Gab

    I’m feeling bullied.

    Then by all means let it all out here. Follow monty’s example and have a good cry, let out all your troubles and think of it as therapy. Which reminds me, monty you still owe the Cat $5000 for your therapy sessions over the last couple of days. (Cheques not accepted)

  42. Oh come on

    m0nty – where’s Fisky’s apology???

  43. m0nty

    OCO, I’m waiting for him to give me one.

  44. Oh come on

    But you’re the one snatching away the future of his children and grandchildren.

  45. Jc

    They might be able to sign nutjobs like Bernardi up to a pledge but that would just marginalise him further.

    His constituency and party certainly think he’s marginal.

    Supporting a party with 27%primary is heading to the fringe, monster, you chubbster, so I wouldn’t be calling marginal if I were you.

  46. .

    This is the blog where multiple graphs have been posted showing how little income tax the poor pays, isn’t it?

    It’s hard to pay tax when the tax system keeps you out of a job.

    You are too ill informed and ignorant to be critical. You accuse others of heartlessness whereas it is your own bubble of ignorance which keeps others downtrodden.

  47. Oh come on

    Gab, if I’m to play the Bullied card, there needs to be bully enabler, otherwise it just doesn’t feel right. And DL isn’t present at the moment. Care to step up?

  48. Fisky

    A fat, ageing white guy with no charm, m0nty would fit right in with One Nation.

  49. Gab

    Gab, if I’m to play the Bullied card,

    whaddayamean “if”?!

  50. .

    If the ATA follows the lead of the AFTR, though, they will oppose any and all taxes, which is a dumb position to take.

    No. We have enough taxes already.

    That sort of inflexibility leads to gridlock as happened around the US debt ceiling negotiations.

    Cut spending. It is unsustainable. The gridlock is because of Obama’s latent hard left socialism.

  51. Oh come on

    Look Gab, if you refuse to be my Bully Enabler, well that’s just another instance of you being a big bully.

  52. Gab

    Bully? Well, maybe it could be seen as an S&M tactic too, 🙂 you know with whips and chains.

  53. Fisky

    Could the two of you please shut up and let m0nty explain why his carbon footprint is bigger than a B-52 bomb crater?

  54. m0nty

    Actually, I’m waiting for Fisky to tell us his real name or at least post his photo, since he’s such a tough guy and is obviously supermodel quality to be making such criticisms. He wouldn’t want to be known as a gutless coward, after all.

  55. Oh come on

    But m0nty, he’s not criticising your appearance. He’s only deeply worried about the negative impact your lifestyle is going to have on future generations.

  56. m0nty

    You are well named, OCO.

  57. Oh come on

    Don’t be a bully, m0nty.

  58. m0nty

    I didn’t call Fisky a gutless coward, OCO. I said he would be known as a gutless coward if he kept criticising my appearance without also posting a photo of himself, because that’s the sort of thing a gutless coward would do. I’m sure he doesn’t want to be known to all and sundry as Fisky the gutless coward.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a hoverboard waiting.

  59. Token

    Look Gab, if you refuse to be my Bully Enabler, well that’s just another instance of you being a big bully.

    What do you need OCO? I can change my avatar to a doomlord on request. It won’t be as charming as Sinc’s though.

  60. Gavin R. Putland

    Dear Dot, I’ll believe that they’re not astroturfing when they apply the same standards to income tax, payroll tax and GST that they are so gladly apply to the carbon tax.

    [You keep getting spaminated – don’t know why. Sinc]

  61. Fisky

    No, no, m0nty. You are not allowed to divert the subject away from your rotunda-like physique. Besides, it’s your health-care we’ll all be paying for in your old age if you don’t change your ways.

  62. papachango

    Stop letting m0nty derail the thread.

    Thiough i’m not sure about the name, the ATA has potential, sounds almost like my suggestion of an online activist group called HandsOff!, to counter GetUp!

    However I’d like to see are more detailed statement of principles and policy positions to work out if they’re libertarian or conservative. Maybe it’s in their busienss plan (downloadable from the site) – which I’ll have a look at at some point. Or will they leave that to the membership to decide?

    Couple of other observations:

    1. Their website and logo is utterly shite. I hear m0nty runs a footy tipping website – perhape he/she could help out?
    2. Get ready for the mother of all battles – the left think only they have the right to be political activists, and will be merciless. They might use Fink to try and shut it down.

  63. Oh come on

    Not much, Token. In fact I’m not exactly sure what a bully enabler actually does, but I do know we need one for the proper narrative to commence.

    I know; just backhand poor bullied me about the room a bit and that should be enough. Although the avatar change would be a nice touch.

  64. JC

    I didn’t call Fisky a gutless coward, OCO. I said he would be known as a gutless coward if he kept criticising my appearance without also posting a photo of himself

    1. Monster you were the one that placed those pics of yourself in a public forum. Don’t blame us (the messengers) if people express opinions you don’t like, such as my horror directed towards your golfing attire for instance.

    2. Several of us have met Fisk. He’s good decent looking, trim young fella and wouldn’t seem to have any problems with “talented” ladies.

    What you’re hoping for isn’t reality, Chubbster.

  65. m0nty

    Hey, it’s Fisky the gutl… oops, I can’t call you that, can I, because that would be bullying. I’ll hold that in abeyance, because I’m sure you’re going to post your photo or tell us your name. Anonymous trolls who hide behind pseudonyms and snipe at regular people are indeed gutless cowards, and you wouldn’t want to be known as such, would you Fisky? Surely not.

  66. Oh come on

    I didn’t call Fisky a gutless coward, OCO.

    m0nty, I was referring to you bullying me over my handle. Shame on you.

  67. m0nty

    Stop letting m0nty derail the thread.

    I posted detailed on-topic responses to the OP, and responses to me consisted of personal abuse and diversions. I am not the one derailing the thread.

  68. Gab

    *sigh* and monty derails another thread with his obsessive self-absorption.

  69. JC

    I am not the one derailing the thread.

    Oh yea you are.

  70. Oh come on

    I can’t call you that, can I, because that would be bullying.

    Well you’d know, seeing as though you’re apparently an expert on diagnosing this.

  71. m0nty

    Several of us have met Fisk. He’s good decent looking, trim young fella and wouldn’t seem to have any problems with “talented” ladies.

    Then he’s got nothing to hide? Why the reticence? Only a gutless coward would snipe at others’ appearance from behind an anonymous username.

  72. Fisky

    m0nty, stop trying to change the subject, nobody is interested in your diversions. We are all very concerned about your appearance and its affects on fragile ecosystems and are doing our best to cut a metre from your waistline, plus a few gigatonnes from your C02 emissions.

  73. m0nty

    m0nty, I was referring to you bullying me over my handle. Shame on you.

    OCO, I was referring to the fact that many of your posts could be answered with “oh come on”, because you tend to say ridiculous things. 🙂

  74. Gab

    Look, monty, you had a brand spanking new post devoted to you and your claims of abuse. But did you go there, you drama diva? No. Instead you prefer to derail other threads.

  75. Oh come on

    Fisk the gutless, m0nty the gut.

  76. Oh come on

    I’m glad you think so, m0nty. In fact, I am only here to help you hone your sense of ridiculousness, so I guess that’s a job well done.

  77. Token

    Not much, Token. In fact I’m not exactly sure what a bully enabler actually does, but I do know we need one for the proper narrative to commence.

    OCO

    Real men are never bullied, so stand up for yourself instead of running to the teacher and stop whining like a girl-y man.

    [avatar change pending]

  78. m0nty

    Fisky, mate. If you’re such a good looking rooster, as JC says (evidently JC likes what he sees), then there should be no problem at all with you posting your picture. Apparently you’d put me to shame. So where is it? The longer you hold back, the more apt seems the description of you as a gutless coward.

  79. Oh come on

    its affects on fragile ecosystems

    It’s the children I’m worried about. Will somebody please think of the children???

  80. Fisky

    *sigh* and monty derails another thread with his obsessive self-absorption.

    I noticed that. We were having a nice discussion about taxes and whatnot, and m0nty runs on here yelling about white people, Liberals, BO, tooth decay, and other useless rubbish. And now he’s got us talking about his weight again. It’s always about him!

    Bugger off, rotunda boy, serious adults are discussing their taxes.

  81. Oh come on

    Real men are never bullied, so stand up for yourself instead of running to the teacher and stop whining like a girl-y man.

    Did you sleep through the 90s, Token? Honestly, get with the programme.

  82. Fisky

    Fisk the gutless, m0nty the gut.

    Good call, OCO. I’m in desperate need of a gut. Can I borrow some of yours, m0nty?

  83. .

    monty,

    If you want to share your weight issues I suggest livestrong forums. I would rate them 4/5 for health and nutrition issues. We are talking about taxes, which you have demonstrated you know very little about.

    I hope you become fighting fit.

  84. Oh come on

    What about future tax liabilities, Fisk? This seems pertinent.

  85. JC

    Fisky, mate. If you’re such a good looking rooster, as JC says (evidently JC likes what he sees),

    Oh here we go, the sneery underhanded gay schtick. It’s not a matter of liking or disliking what I see, Monster. It was simply a comment to suggest that your hope Fisk is ugly is taking the wrong fork in the road.

    I’m perfectly at ease in my hetro “lifestyle” monster.

    then there should be no problem at all with you posting your picture.

    Why should anyone. You chose to.

    Apparently you’d put me to shame. So where is it? The longer you hold back, the more apt seems the description of you as a gutless coward.

    Not at all.

  86. m0nty

    Perhaps you’re worried that JC likes what he sees a little too much, Fisky. Understandable. It sounds like you’re fit though, so you’d be able to outrun him when he accosts you. That is, if you want to run. Maybe you two would be happy together? How lovely for you. Who knows, you’re both rightwingers after all, I understand that what happens behind closed doors at gentlemen’s clubs between two Liberal Party supporters is strictly between them. Everyone here would be happy for you two, myself included. You’d make a cute couple. Well, (allegedly) half a cute couple.

    Otherwise, assuming that you’re not one of the many closeted homosexuals on the conservative side of politics, we must return to the distinct possibility that you are just a gutless coward.

  87. Fisky

    Oh here we go, the sneery underhanded gay schtick.

    So THAT’S what it was all about. I should have known!

    Now I’m definitely not giving you my photo, m0nty, you dirty old man!

  88. JC

    Monster,

    You’ve flown the coop.

    (What a disturbing rant).

  89. Oh come on

    That’s the ticket, m0nty!! I’m glad you’ve learnt your lesson. Give it back as good as you get. Well, maybe not as good, but at least give it a shot and don’t go running to Teach blubbing about bullying; that’s just lame.

    Well done, m0nty. You’re learning. Now, let’s all move on.

  90. Oh come on

    No no Fisk and JC, this is progress.

  91. Fisky

    m0nty, I’m glad you’ve got that off your (flabby, congealed) chest. Now get to the gym at once!

  92. C.L.

    Come on.

    Attacking Monty’s appearance?

    Is this called for?

  93. Token

    Did you sleep through the 90s, Token? Honestly, get with the programme.

    People, people, let’s get our roles clear.

    Are you playing the bully, the bully enabler or the bullied here?

  94. Winston SMITH

    “Get ready for the mother of all battles – the left think only they have the right to be political activists, and will be merciless.”

    Correct papa – look at the reflexive bile attack from the usual suspects.
    When the Right learn to self organise like the Left, the Left is stuffed.

  95. Rabz

    “… the Australian economy is being strangled by high taxation, excessive regulation, and government waste, and unless we change course, Australia faces long term economic disaster.”

    Well, that’s one way of putting it – I’d have posited the “disaster” as being more immediate.

    Coincidence? I think not.

    And FFS, m0nty, will you please cease and desist!

    You’re a masochist as well as a gay baiter, it seems.

  96. JC

    Cl

    Lefties do it all the time. Their hero, Keating was a past master of it and lefties loved him for it. In fact they made a musical about him in loving memory.

    This is nothing new in leftwing circles.

  97. Fisky

    Is this called for?

    Personally, I call this coaching, not attacking. And it’s worked. He’s finally going to get out there and do something about his problem.

    Secondly, here is what m0nty had to say about his political opponents:

    That’s your Tea Party demographic right there: old, white, lower-middle-class people. People of the land. Common clay of the new Australia. You know… morons.

    Many of them don’t use deodorant or toothpaste, you know. Some of them don’t even wear suits.

  98. Oh come on

    Are you playing the bully, the bully enabler or the bullied here?

    I’ll have a crack at all three, why not yes yes?

  99. JC

    Some of them don’t even wear suits.

    And actually wear black socks with sneakers to a golf course! Oh hang on, that’s Monster’s attire!

  100. m0nty

    Alright, I’m calling it now. This is not bullying, I am dealing in facts and this thread represents documentary evidence. Fisky is officially a gutless coward.

    And given JC has little grasp on reality, he’s probably ugly as well.

  101. .

    Perhaps you’re worried that JC likes what he sees a little too much, Fisky.

    People are gay if they call you fat?

    No wonder the rest of your rant about taxes is unhinged. You have no capacity to reason.

  102. JC

    I’m hurt Monster. I’m going to bawl and cry all day now… and abuse Sinc to take out my frustrations. LOl.

  103. Oh come on

    Great job, m0nts. See, wasn’t that more satisfying than whining to Sinclair?

  104. papachango

    When the Right learn to self organise like the Left, the Left is stuffed.

    I have to admit that’s one of our weaknesses, especially on the libertrian side. The Left do collective action much better than us, as grouptinking collectivism is in their nature. They can whip up a drumming circle or sheep-like chant in nothing flat.

    It’s why I think libertarian polictical parties don’t really work – a group like ATA (if they’re genuinely libertarian or ecven if they’re a libertarian/center-right/ conservative alliance) might work better, but it will be like herding cats.

  105. Winston SMITH

    Monsters biggest hate is the white socks and shoes that the ultra right wear.
    It’s a symbol of …. something..

  106. m0nty

    I’m just standing up for myself, Dot. Sinc has encouraged me to do so. Since I get abuse thrown at me in every thread I post in, even though (and probably because) I always start posting on-topic, every such thread will get derailed by ongoing abuse. That’s the site Sinc wants, so that’s the site he’ll get.

  107. Oh come on

    They can whip up a drumming circle or sheep-like chant in nothing flat.

    And, for some reason, they have a lot more time on their hands to do things like organise flash mobs to interrupt a workday commute.

  108. papachango

    m0nty started off by trolling, but my call to stop letting him derail the thread was mainly to y’all to just ignore rather than get stuck into him.

  109. Oh come on

    I’m just standing up for myself, Dot.

    Good for you, m0nts, good for you. Don’t you feel empowered?

  110. Token

    They can whip up a drumming circle or sheep-like chant in nothing flat.

    There is a reason we don’t do things like this…Dignity

  111. .

    I abuse stupidity, I only return other personal fire when it is given or when umbrage is substituted for argument.

    You ought to sharpen up what you know about taxes lad. Your ignorance is disgraceful and makes me weep.

    Australia is clearly overtaxed with inefficient, usurious and inequitable taxes. It is a major injustice and major anchor against future prosperity and growth.

  112. papachango

    well yeah OCO – most righties and libertarians have real jobs (other than public sector, union or NGO cushy posts) to go to.

  113. Fisky

    I’m just standing up for myself, Dot.

    You’re a whingeing sook is what you are m0nster. You come on here ranting about the appearance and dental hygiene of “right-wingers” and then practically have a nervous breakdown when other people point out that you could basically start your own solar system.

    Tell your story walking son. And make that a very LONG walk too, butterball.

  114. JC

    Monster;

    Get the lard off. That’s all we’re saying.

  115. m0nty

    Still waiting for you to prove you’re not a gutless coward, Fisky. Pics or you didn’t happen.

  116. Fisky

    No, I’m not supplying you with any beat-off fodder, you filthy pervert. Now go play with your fantasy football teams and stop whining.

  117. Oh come on

    Do you often demand photos of other men, m0nty?

    Starting to creep a bit now…

  118. Infidel Tiger

    mOnty here is a JC

  119. Gavin R. Putland

    Thanks, Sinc. Pity my last comment had an error in it. 😛

  120. Token

    Starting to creep a bit now…

    Watch where you are treading OCO, Les will be back pointing his finger wildly and inaccurately at you if you stray too far down this path.

  121. jtfsoon

    haha
    good one, IT but Joe actually looks more like the gangster boss in that Guy Ritchie movie

    http://www.theginblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/bricktopsnatch.jpg

  122. Infidel Tiger

    It’s a compliment JC. You have film star qualities.

  123. JC

    Jase

    I don’t wear stupid, big glasses like that. I wear Robert Marc only for a start.

  124. Gab

    Jc, do you really wear gold chains?

  125. JC

    Gab

    Please. Don’t offend me. I’ve never worn any form of jewelry in the my life.

    IT, the man the lives on Pluto (Perth) makes all this shit up about me.

  126. dover_beach

    Jase, you’re on to something there.

  127. jtfsoon

    Jase, you’re on to something there.

    Of course I am.

    I know JC doesn’t wear those big glasses but if he did and had a cockney accent, he’d fit right into that role

  128. JC

    Lol

    He’s not a gentleman, whereas I am of course.

  129. Frank

    Just how fat is this Monty person? Does he walk, wobble or undulate while leaving a moist trail?

  130. Sinc, please.
    This is the best economics blog around. You need brains to be interested in economics. If you’ve got brains and give a shit about economics you are probably busy. If you are busy it is a pain in the arse having to scour all these stupid comments about Monty et al. Can’t you just delete ALL the snarky comments about physical appearance – by both friend and foe, so we can tune in to some useful debate? This really devalues Catallaxy.

  131. papachango

    Forget about m0nty. Will the ATA take up the figght for free speech?

  132. Fisky

    m0nty is verifiably whale-like, Frank. He also plays both sides and is known for stalking men on the internet and demanding they send him their photo. Why, just look at some choice quotes from this thread alone.

    “OCO, I’m waiting for him to give me one.”

    “Actually, I’m waiting for Fisky to…post his photo.”

    “I’m sure you’re going to post your photo”

    “You’d make a cute couple.”

    “Pics or you didn’t happen.”

  133. papachango

    OOH / Sinc – at least if they could keep the personal attacks for the open thread. It’s sometimes amusing to read through, but it does derail a specific thread such as this.

  134. Fisky

    I’m sorry, papa, but m0nty derailed this thread with his hateful, personal attacks on ATA members and supporters. The good news is he’s been squashed and is now away sulking in the corner, so serious adults can get back to the discussion at hand.

  135. Rococo Liberal

    I wear Robert Marc only for a start.

    How suave

  136. papachango

    yes I know Fisky, but one simple reply of – bugger off m0nty or similar should suffice. You can then go nuts about body image issues on the open thread

  137. sdfc

    Well done Monty, looks like Fisky is having a bit of a cry.

  138. Fisky

    SDFC is itching to do to this thread what he normally does to his liver by mid-afternoon. Take your MMT crankery elsewhere, sdfc, we are cleaning up the mess after m0nty’s nervous breakdown.

  139. .

    Tax doesn’t matter Fisk. The Government can print an infinite amount of money. This guy is a high up economist at a bank YOU might own shares in or hold a deposit at!

  140. Fisky

    Is it true that MMT cranks believe the whole point of paying tax is NOT for the government to collect it, but to “create demand for the currency”? I can’t get my head around this stuff.

  141. sdfc

    Sorry Fisky, I work. It’s not my drinking habits you have to worry about but those who post here all day every day.

    Anyone who understands MMT would know I’m not an MMTer.

  142. sdfc

    I don’t work at a “bank” Dot.

  143. but to “create demand for the currency”? I can’t get my head around this stuff.

    its complete utter bollocks to justify later day communism.

  144. Fisky

    JC did point out that you are probably a closet MMT sympathiser. Certainly I don’t think you have ever praised an Actually Existing Surplus, which is an initial warning sign.

  145. JC

    Anyone who understands MMT would know I’m not an MMTer.

    No? Really? Coulda fooled me. Then what’s all that shit you talk about in regards to cash flows from the government to the private sector and related junk like that. That’s the core of MMT.

    We’ve had some of those loons show up here and we kicked their butt until they couldn’t take it anymore and skulked off looking for new victims. They were saying the same shit as you do.

  146. JC

    Just how fat is this Monty person? Does he walk, wobble or undulate while leaving a moist trail?

    He’s big, so lets leave it there. In fact he’s gargantuan and he needs to do something about it because it’s really unhealthy at his age.

  147. sdfc

    Obviously you are easily fooled JC. MMT as far as I know is all about the government merely crediting bank accounts and using bond sales and taxes as a method of removing excess money from the private sector.

    What I discuss on the other hand purely relates to the role of credit in the monetary system. That is, public sector borrowing increases the money supply just as private sector borrowing does.

    Fisky

    MMTers, as far as I know, blame recessions on the government running surpluses. In my opinion, all else being equal, the budget should be roughly in balance over the cycle.

  148. Ubique

    Membership of the ATA will attract a bonus from the Green-Labor government of a free annual tax audit by the ATO. Retrospective for 7 years.

  149. twostix

    Spoken like a true Labor party slimer.

    This is the type of person who makes up the 27% who remain Labor supporters.

    This type of person is the reason why labor only has 27%…

    He doesn’t understand why of course.

  150. twostix

    Copping an attitude about how they’re the right’s answer to GetUp is a joke.

    You do realise that GetUp had Bill Shorten and Evan Thornley on its board don’t you?

    One of its founding members was Amanda Tattersall (President of the National Union of Students (NSW Branch), founded Labor for Refugees)

    In fact every “point” you make against this mob, can also be made about GetUp.

    You really don’t know anything about GetUp do you? You’re such a mindless shill m0nty.

  151. Oh come on

    Well done Monty, looks like Fisky is having a bit of a cry.

    If by saying “having a bit of a cry” you mean “chuckling silently to himself in the sure knowledge that he’s sent his opponent into a potentially life-threatening apoplectic rage”, then sure, he’s having a bit of a cry. Well observed, sdfc.

  152. Rafe

    The idea of grassroots activism may be shared by Getup (at least in theory) but there are some major differences. GetUp is a front for interests connected to the ALP and the Greens, pushing policies which mostly benefit tax eaters and are unsustainable when they run out of other people’s money.

    In contrast, I gather from Tim Andrews that the ATO will be broadly classical liberal to libertarian, hence prepared to call out all parties in the interest of policies which support productive people and promote freedom, prosperity and all those good things that are being put down the tube under the current regime (with little resistance from many conservatives). Consequently it has the potential to recruit all the people who resent the way their taxes are being wasted by politicians across the board. The challenge will be to find the language to appeal to all the different categories of people who need to be attracted – from housewives to casual workers to small tradies and the employees of small business, given that the language of classical liberalism is foreign and there is not much in the way of the free enterprise tradition to call on among the masses (as there used to be in the US).

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  154. Gowest

    The ATA is positioning itself to leverage off the demise of green activism funding. A smart move given the times.
    All that money slushing to the green, activist end of town has to go somewhere so there is plenty of room for more.

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