Open Forum: June 2, 2012

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  1. Tom says:

    FMD. This is the first time I’ve read this:

    A new book by Hoover Institution fellow Peter Schweizer details the startling extent of the cronyism that has pervaded President Obama’s “green jobs” push. According to Schweizer, 4 out of every 5 renewable energy companies backed by the Energy Department was “run by or primarily owned by Obama financial backers.”

    So Australia will do the poor-man’s version of this with Tubbsie Milne’s slush fund, which was passed by parliament last week as far as I know. There’ll be enough work to keep a battery of investigative journalists busy for years. But half the media will be trying to suppress it!

  2. twostix says:

    For anyone who thinks the LNP government will be superior to this one: flashback 2006:

    March 2006 – New Government plan for compulsory preschool education

    Julie Bishop has proposed that all children in Australia should attend a compulsory preschool year. The intention is that a common program across all states and territories will ensure that early education is provided by qualified staff in an accredited environment.

    Yes the freedom loving Liberals want parents to be forced to send their kids for another year of government schooling – meaning in NSW that would be 14 years in institutions to learn how to read and write poorly.

    The only thing stopping such a thing so far is the lack of pre-school teachers and infrastructure. That is being rectified right now:

    Early childhood education should be available for everyone, regardless of location, background or family income. But at the moment there are Australian families missing out due to a lack of facilities or not enough places where they live.
    To help fix this, the Australian Government is providing $970 million over five years to achieve universal access to early childhood education by 2013 for all children in the year before school.
    Universal Access is a commitment made by all states and territories to give all kids access to a quality early childhood program, delivered by a university trained educator, for 15 hours a week, 40 weeks a year, in the year before full-time schooling.
    These programs are accessible to all Australian children (but not compulsory) and will be delivered in child care centres, standalone preschools and school-based preschools.

    Not compulsory…LOL, for about a second.

  3. C.L. says:

    For God’s sake, Australian women – look after your own children.

  4. C.L. says:

    Exclusive in The Australian:

    Rudd/Gillard lost $12 billion.

    They should be jailed. Why not?

    $12m lost in BER school closures.

    TAXPAYERS have spent $11.7 million sprucing up 33 schools that were shut down after being given federal grants for new buildings and renovations.

    While the Gillard government has managed to claw back $4.5m in grants from 12 of the closed schools, and is still looking at the others, it will have to write off $865,702 spent on repairs, painting or renovations.

    Every primary school in Australia was given funding for a new building and refurbishment work under Labor’s $16 billion Building the Education Revolution.

    But the federal Education Department has told the Senate that 12 per cent of funding approved for 10,472 projects still had not been spent, three years later. And 225 projects had been axed due to school closures or amalgamations.

  5. JC says:

    The Kenyan’s nostalgic wants McCain as the nominee.

    Later Friday, at a fundraiser in Chicago, Obama made much the same point about his 2008 opponent. “The last time we ran, we had a Republican candidate who — I had some profound disagreements with him, but he acknowledged the need for immigration reform, and acknowledged the need for campaign finance reform, acknowledged the need for policies that would do something about climate change,” Obama said. “Now, what we’ve got is not just a nominee but a Congress and a Republican Party that have a fundamentally different vision about where we need to go as a country.”

    A few days earlier, when the Obama campaign attacked Romney for declining to disavow Donald Trump, White House spokesman Jay Carney again invoked McCain. “You’ll recall that in the 2008 race, Senator John McCain…made a decision not to ally with extreme elements in his own party,” Carney said. At about the same time, the Obama campaign released a web video that also featured McCain nostalgia. “John McCain stood up to the voices of extremism in his party,” the video said. “Why won’t Mitt Romney do the same?”

    The last week, more than any in the campaign so far, has shown Team Obama that Romney and his aides are prepared to fight as hard as needed to win in November. The Romney-organized shouting-down of top Obama aide David Axelrod in Boston; the Romney sneak event at the old Solyndra headquarters in California; Romney’s refusal to give in to Democratic demands to repudiate Trump; and Romney’s determination to avoid side controversies while remaining singularly focused on the economy all revealed a candidate who has resolved to battle Obama on his own, and not Obama’s, terms. It’s no wonder Obama has become nostalgic for the relatively comfortable days of 2008.

  6. C.L. says:

    How.

    Elizabeth Warren yesterday: ‘If elected, I’ll be first Cherokee senator from Massachusetts.’

  7. C.L. says:

    Ahahahaha.

    One of those animations of a story du jour:

    Elizabeth Warren’s proud heritage is discusses by a Native American and Indian.

    The reaction shot at 0:43 made me laugh out loud.

  8. twostix says:

    Pyne was good today on Bolts show.

    Dude’s improving markedly.

  9. Fisky says:

    ‘If elected, I’ll be first Cherokee senator from Massachusetts.’

    No you won’t, you delusional twit.

  10. Fisky says:

    “The last time we ran, we had a Republican candidate who — I had some profound disagreements with him, but he acknowledged the need for immigration reform, and acknowledged the need for campaign finance reform, acknowledged the need for policies that would do something about climate change.”

    Waah waah, why won’t the Republicans give us another 10 million Leftist voters, ban Republican political advertising, and tax the air???

  11. C.L. says:

    The last time we ran, we had a Republican candidate who — I had some profound disagreements with him, but he acknowledged the need for immigration reform, and acknowledged the need for campaign finance reform, acknowledged the need for policies that would do something about climate change.

    Ahahahahaha.

    The old Democrat classic. Yesterday’s Republican is always the good guy. Today’s ‘extremist’ Republican is the bad guy.

    No no, lefties. Your old tricks are not going to work.

  12. JC says:

    Romney aides believe that cooperating with Democrats and media figures who are demanding a Trump disavowal would most certainly lead to more calls for more disavowals of other figures in the future — leaving Romney spending as much time apologizing for his supporters as campaigning for president. Team Romney views it as a silly and one-sided game designed to distract voters from the central issue of the race, which they remain convinced will be President Obama’s handling of the economy.

    Yep. Mitt should remind them about The Kenyan’s defense of “Pastor” Wright when he said: Wright was like a father to him.

  13. JC says:

    Romney has the focus of someone like I’ve never seen before.

    Another reason Romney is wary of such concessions is that John McCain tried them, and they didn’t do him any good. …………..
    So the bottom line is, Romney is determined to stay away from anything that distracts him from the main issue of the campaign. In the end, the thinking goes, the heart of the campaign will always be the economy and Barack Obama’s stewardship of it. Repudiating, or not repudiating, Donald Trump won’t change that.

    Fuck’em. Don’t back down for a second, as it won’t help.

  14. C.L. says:

    Not Wright, JC. Bill Maher.

    Romney must fight back like Sununu did the other day against Solepanel O’Brien. Only now he should start demanding that Obama hand back Maher’s $1 million and apologise to America’s women.

  15. C.L. says:

    Mark Steyn’s brilliant latest:

    Twilight of the West.

    The Eurovision Song Contest doesn’t get a lot of attention in the United States, but on the Continent it’s long been seen as the perfect Euro-metaphor. Years before the euro came along, it was the prototype pan-European institution, and predicated on the same assumptions. Eurovision took the national cultures that produced Mozart, Vivaldi, and Debussy, and in return gave us “Boom-Bang-a-Bang” (winner, 1969), “Ding-Ding-a-Dong” (winner, 1975), and “Diggi-Loo-Diggi-Ley” (winner, 1984). The euro took the mark, the lira, and the franc, and merged them to create the “Boom-Bang-a-Bang” of currencies.

    His point is serious and I agree with it:

    That’s to say, the unsustainable “bubble” is not student debt or subprime mortgages or anything else. The bubble is us, and the assumptions of entitlement. Too many citizens of advanced Western democracies live a life they have not earned, and are not willing to earn.

    RTWT.

  16. JC says:

    Lol… CL

    Let surrogates do the dirty work of making the Kenyan’s campaign eat a shit sandwich every day. We want president Romney to focus on the economy.

    President Romney is above all that, as be explains to people what needs to be done to repair the damage left to him to solve. 🙂

    I really think it’s starting to dawn on the dipsticks they are losing. I get the same feeling the Rudd deflation is going on here and the more desperate the Kenyan becomes the more errors they make.

  17. C.L. says:

    Fairfax poll:

    – Gillard three points more unpopular than Abbott.

    – Labor drops to 26 percent primary – equal to its record low last year.

    – Coalition leads Labor by a massive 57 to 43.

    – More people want Rudd to replace Gillard than want Turnbull to replace Abbott (by 2 points).

    Now wait for it… Playing the pox on both their houses trick, the SMH leads with all this as bad for Abbott:

    Abbott and Gillard both on the nose: poll.

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott’s disapproval rating has risen to a record high to be just three points behind the prime minister’s, according to the latest Fairfax/Nielsen poll.

    Mr Abbott’s disapproval rating rose five points of 57 per cent.

    But that is of little consolation for Prime Minister Julia Gillard, whose disapproval rating remains steady at 60 per cent.

  18. C.L. says:

    Let surrogates do the dirty work of making the Kenyan’s campaign eat a shit sandwich every day. We want president Romney to focus on the economy.

    Yeah, OK. Good point. You’re right.

    Send out the Sunami.

    Rick Perry is doing his bit too:

    Rick Perry: Electing Barack Obama Was Our National “Oops” Moment.

    “Three and a half years, nearly 100 rounds of golf. Barack Obama has exploded the debt in this country. He has passed a stimulus program that grew government and not the economy. He socialized health care and he armed Mexican drug cartels,” Perry said.

    “Admit it America, 2008 was our national “oops” moment,” he added — a reference to his infamous debate gaffe.

    Perry, a one-time “yell leader” at Texas A&M, put his sports knowledge to use firing up the base, closing his speech by invoking the local team colors.

    “And whether you are Tar Heel blue or Blue Devil blue, we all agree that this next election we need North Carolina to be Wolf Pack red,” he said, as the audience rose to their feet. “Let’s get it right, let’s win this election. Let’s go do everything that we have to do to deliver North Carolina for Mitt Romney and the Republican Party.”

  19. JC says:

    No shit Sherlock

    Rendell: Recalling Scott Walker Was A “Mistake”

    Fmr. Gov. Ed Rendell (D-PA): “And conversely, our guys made a mistake by not — at that point — raising the victory flag. They’d accomplished a lot of what they wanted to accomplish, declare victory. Don’t get an election that’s divisive, that may have an influence on the presidential election. We made a mistake doing that.”

  20. Alex Pundit says:

    I wouldn’t mind Perry as VP. I think even the American people could stomach him after what they’ve been through recently. I visited Texas last year and the atmosphere there compared to California was like night and day in difference.

    As we go through GFC Mark II, the voters are going to be stampeding toward President-Elect (it sounds more realistic to me JC) Romney.

  21. sdog says:

    Lol… CL

    Let surrogates do the dirty work of making the Kenyan’s campaign eat a shit sandwich every day. We want president Romney to focus on the economy.

    Indeed. Our motto is “punch back twice as hard.”

    #TeamPitbull

  22. sdog says:

    “And whether you are Tar Heel blue or Blue Devil blue, we all agree that this next election we need North Carolina to be Wolf Pack red”

    Quite so. The only times my home state has gone blue in my lifetime have been for Jimmy Carter, and then for Barack Obama. Let it be another 35 years before we ever go blue again.

  23. C.L. says:

    Hilarious Obama campaign ad gaffe:

    No, this wasn’t a Romney send-up. It’s real.

  24. Fisky says:

    I have to hand it to Rick Perry for his humility and self-deprecation. Great line!

  25. Potemkin’s Village

    We consider it a good principle to… here

  26. John Comnenus says:

    Re Recalling Walker a mistake. Let’s hope Walker wins big and that represents the high tide of big union, big vested interest, big spending, big debt America.

    Let Walker win and make it the political Stalingrad in the war to end the age of entitlement. After all they chose Wisconsin and they sent all their people into the State to try and force out a guy repairing the state’s balance sheet and it’s economy. Let them politically die in the snowy wastes of Wisconsin.

    And then in November – Romney!

  27. sdog says:

    The left has been trying desperately all day to pin this “Walker’s Illegitimate Love-Child from the Girlfriend He Knocked Up And Then Abandoned!!!!” smear on him, John… hilariously, it just blew up in their [collective] face.

    So. much. fail.

  28. JamesK says:

    Devastatingly accurate portrayal of the european crises by Walter Russell Mead in The Australian (well done da Oz)but weak in his assessment of the US.

    THE European monetary crisis is like a botched root canal: painful, expensive, interminable. Years go by and the world helplessly sits in the chair as the incompetent dentists poke, scrape, bicker and endlessly drill.

    From time to time there are shots of novocaine – usually in the form of liquidity from the European Central Bank -. that reduce the pain to a dull throb, but there are no signs of improvement, no signs that the long and futile European process is coming to any kind of successful conclusion

    We are frightened and bored; we can’t look away but we can’t bear to master the details of this most tedious of world crises.

    rtwt

  29. JamesK says:

    smear on him, John… hilariously, it just blew up in their [collective] face.

    The world really needs to fear the Obummeer October surprise especially if he’s 10 points behind.

  30. carissa says:

    seems hard to believe that polls find m. turnbull more favoured than Mr Abbott. who even remembers him except as some kind of dill over an email thing?

    how could Coalition lead 57:43 otherwise today’s poll.

  31. Rabz says:

    anna wintour!

    FFS, how clueless can they be?

    Edie and Patsy would have been better value…

  32. Token says:

    Thanks for providing your links Grigory, they are always good for a laugh 🙂

  33. Token says:

    Abbott and Gillard both on the nose: poll.

    For a laugh, I had a quick listen to the Green-activist and Grattan this morning on RN and after avoiding the Labor primary in the mid 20’s & breezing past the fact the 2PP is so shite they focused on the real story from the poll…

    …Turnbull is ahead of Abbott.

    You can hear in their voices they are on their knees praying to the great AGW idol that the carbin tax will work.

  34. kae says:

    Candy
    You’ve used your other name again.

  35. Helen Armstrong says:

    Guys which site would you recommend for etrading? Only a few trades for investment – or would I be better off with a broker? Very little volume.

    Thanks

  36. Token says:

    Looks like the best Defense Minister evaaaa is looking to throw another couple hundred members of the ADF under the bus in an effort to distract attention from this fetid government.

    DETAILS of more than 1000 “plausible” allegations of abuse by military and defence personnel collected by an inquiry set up by the Defence Minister, Stephen Smith, are under wraps while senior ministers decide how to handle them.

    You can bet the Liars Party will return to the pre-Shagger Thomson standard of justice and hand the people named out as if they are guilty before any matter hits the court.

  37. Token says:

    That is, every three years children will be subjected to a compulsory government psychological evaluation, where the government will record every persons “social competence” and “emotional maturity” from age five onwards.

    Wow, think of all the new epidemics of self esteem and new forms of abuse they will be able to develop with this data!

  38. . says:

    Julie Bishop has proposed that all children in Australia should attend a compulsory preschool year. The intention is that a common program across all states and territories will ensure that early education is provided by qualified staff in an accredited environment.

    This is why I believe in engaging in politics and paying your dues etc but also “going off the grid”.

    I am sure as hell I could educate my children better than Julie Bishop.

    Libertarians should co opt churches etc and set up rivalrous charities competiting with welfare agencies etc.

    That clever little fucker Rudd knew this was a threat to Statism and changed the philanthropy rules. What a sociopathic little c**t.

  39. Mike of Marion says:

    Fairfax Media Ltd. (FXJ.AX)
    -ASX

    0.61 0.03(3.94%) 10:11

  40. jtfsoon says:

    Guess who?

    In my youth I was a left-wing member of the Labor Party who came from a working class background and who flirted with Marxism without ever taking it very seriously. Apart from the litany of Cold War Stalinist atrocities I had read Das Capital as an undergraduate and I could see the problems and the narrowness in Marx’s class-based analysis. I supported an increased role for government in the economy during the Whitlam years but also greatly applauded the sensational 25% tariff cut that Whitlam introduced. This was one of the most profound economic changes ever to impact on the Australian economy and a change that initiated decades of on-going microeconomic reform. My dissatisfaction with Labor reflected my view that Labor comprises incompetent managers and intellectually low-level people who have sentimentality but often not a lot of administrative intelligence. In my original home state of NSW the Labor Party comprise third-raters who cloak their incompetence with hypocrisy and dishonesty. Generally I have maintained this negative view of Labor for decades. I think that, whatever the transparent failings of the Coalition – there are many – they will be better economic managers and generally smarter when it comes to making policy judgements. For this reason I have voted for the Liberal Party for more than 2 decades.

    At the last election however I voted for the Greens and at the next election I will vote for Labor mainly because of the criticality I see in the climate change issue. I see it as a long-term priority issue potentially impacting on the survivability of the human species.

    Now that I earn a reasonable income and live quite well I guess I can afford the luxury of being less narrowly focused on economic imperatives. But I just find the more strident varieties of libertarianism illogical and narrow-minded.

  41. . says:

    They won’t token. Blame Brendan Nelson. Do seven year olds really need to be ranked? Education isn’t competitive. Ranking kids at that age totally fucks their “self esteem”. It isn’t about never having kids lose or never miss the cut, they have sport and other things to learn from that. Let’s rank kids academically, but not let them lose at sport? Revenge of the nerds at it’s finest. Entrance exams may be competitive, and sensibly so.

    All children and adults learn at different rates. Compulsory pre school is going to achieve what? parents can stop reading to their kids? Lazy arseholes. My intel in the system tends to indicate the best thing for kids is to get a tutor and ignore the State system once they have passed the objecive standards for their stage or age, or have been trained in how to maximise HSC results. Give them a well rounded education without becoming a “Tiger Mum”.

  42. JamesK says:

    The estimable Joel Pollack at Breitbart:

    As investors panic over the debt crisis in Greece, Italy, and Spain, Germany has emerged as a safe haven for investors–so much so that the interest rate on ten-year German government bonds dropped below zero on Friday. That means investors are so desperate for security that they are willing to accept less money at the end of ten years than they invest today; they will pay the German government to take their money.

    Based on negative 2-year bond yields for German bonds:

    The German two-year yield slid to as low as minus 0.002 percent, the first time the rate on the securities has been negative, according to data compiled by Bloomberg, and was at 0.005 percent as of 9:03 a.m. London time. The price of the zero percent note due in June 2014 was at 99.99.

    A yield below zero means investors will receive less in repayments on the German securities through maturity than the amount they paid to buy them.

  43. . says:

    I don’t know Jason. They sound like a protectionist arsewipe.

    Anyone hate those patent trolls at AAPL?

    http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-mind-bogglingly-greedy-and-evil-license-agreement/4360

  44. . says:

    Interesting James.

    The Fisher hypothesis looks like it is starting to break down.

    Woe to you, France and Germany.

  45. jtfsoon says:

    Dear old Harry, dot.

  46. kae says:

    Toowoomba meet, Tuesday nite 6 onward email me via my blog for more detials.

    Is that OK with you, Splat?

  47. . says:

    Someone voting for the “earthians” thinks we’re narrow minded?

    I wonder if he’ll retire to Croomistan and become another one of their liabilities we pay for. That hard working miners, smokers and drug users will pay for.

    What a leech.

  48. twostix says:

    As investors panic over the debt crisis in Greece, Italy, and Spain, Germany has emerged as a safe haven for investors–so much so that the interest rate on ten-year German government bonds dropped below zero on Friday. That means investors are so desperate for security that they are willing to accept less money at the end of ten years than they invest today; they will pay the German government to take their money.

    Why wouldn’t they just put their money outside the EU? Or do people think that the whole world is going to be fsked in 10 years?

  49. C.L. says:

    Accompanying picture to this story proves Obama is gay.

  50. JamesK says:

    Paul Krugman in a staggering fact defying denialist spiel on ABC’s “This Week”: ‘We’re talking as if a billion dollars was a lot of money’ and ‘It’s Terribly unfair Obama’s being judged on the failure of the economy’

  51. Jarrah says:

    Who knew a motion to elect a committee chairman could get out of control like this?

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/9163/ron-paul-delegates-arrested-as-they-win-a-majority-at-louisiana-gop-convention

  52. . says:

    Stix – the FX rate could seriously go against them so hard you’d be willing to cop -.5% p.a rather then a permanent depreciation of 45% or so.

  53. jtfsoon says:

    I actually like most of Harry’s work and regard him as a sincere convert to reluctantly voting Left since I used to read him before climate change and he was always a crusty old Tory. However his bitterness against libertarians is almost as bad as New Gold Dreams and the fact is what Australia does about climate change will mean bugger all for ‘the survivability of the human species’

  54. C.L. says:

    Fatty Roxon to ban FOI access to government spending:

    PETER SLIPPER’S new coat and tails cost taxpayers $1248. His total travel bill in his first six months as Speaker of the Parliament was more than $18,000. He has spent more than $8500 on catering…

    But the Attorney-General, Nicola Roxon, has said the government will shield remaining MPs from such scrutiny by moving Parliament outside the reach of FOI.

    Her office said she was considering a bill to ensure the perks Parliament paid or administered – as well as the $230 million a year its departments managed – remained secret. ”It has been long-accepted practice that the parliamentary departments are exempt from FOI,” her spokesman said in a statement. ”The government is considering its options to correct this anomaly.”

  55. C.L. says:

    Harry is a far left-wing lunatic who occasionally masqerades as an economic rationalist – usually to paint fanciful pictures of Labor superiority in micro-economic reform. An example is his laughable nonsense about Whitlam’s tariff cut. Gough only did that to bash the business class he and his taxeater father always loathed. The singe most difficult, most courageous and most important micro-economic reform of the past 50 years was Howard and Reith’s war on against the thieves and communists on the waterfront. Nothing else comes close.

  56. . says:

    I would have said GST.

  57. Eddystone says:

    Melbourne lord mayor advocates flowers to fight crime.

    One of Melbourne’s top police officers, Supt Rod Wilson, made a telling statement to me about city safety some time ago: “We can’t arrest our way out of this.”

    Commenters set them straight.

  58. Gab says:

    Asylum gangs wise up to policy change

    People smugglers are deliberately crewing asylum-seeker boats to Australia with teenagers, knowing that recent policy changes make it nearly impossible for authorities to establish the age of new arrivals.

    Australian Federal Police admit they have almost no way of proving an accused crew member is an adult after doubts were raised about the use of wrist X-rays to determine age.

    Police say the criminals who organise asylum vessels are aware of the situation and now recruit Indonesians who look young.

    No. The criminals are Gillard et al.

  59. Gab says:

    Profligacy, thy name is Labor Greens.

    RENT for the Canberra building that will house the carbon cops responsible for policing the carbon tax has jumped $1.3 million a year to cover a variety of factors, including car parking, electricity and rising rent costs.

    The Clean Energy Regulator is due to move into the building after the Department of Climate Change signed a $25.2 million five-year lease last month.

    Just 330 regulator staff are moving to the office block in Farrell Place, Canberra, a regulator spokeswoman said, with the rent bill coming to $15,000 per employee.

    The building is one of five Canberra offices currently leased by the Department of Climate Change.

    It had previously paid $3.7 million a year but department staff are preparing to move to the six star energy rated building Nishi, at a cost of $6.4 million a year.

    How long before Roxon places a ban on all FOI requests including those to do with APS activities?

  60. Adam Kane says:

    Look Dickhead, yesterday I asked you a simple question, which was that if there are only Assad and the lunatic Muslim Botherhood or their supporters in Syria which would you choose.

    You were too fucking cowardly to answer the question and ball up.

    They’re not the only two choices, dumbass, as I explained already. So the question is based on misinformation. Anyway I already answered a very similar question from Tom.

    Mk50 owns you mentally.

    LOL. I’m not the one who brought him up, water boy.

  61. Token says:

    Accompanying picture to this story proves Obama is gay.

    No wonder he keeps the wookie around.

  62. JC says:

    Guess who?

    Young Harry of course. Who else would be so self absorbed.

  63. Adam Kane says:

    “We can’t arrest our way out of this.”

    The entire concept of law enforcement is that you can arrest your way out of it.

    Criminal codes work because they change the calculus of the decision. If crimes are never punished, then the only thing stopping you from breaking the law is your own conscience. That’s not strong enough glue on its own to create civil society. It might work for a village but not for a metropolis.

  64. Gab says:

    mk50. Happens any time he is criticized or under threat.

    Adam Kane

    3 Jun 12 at 11:27 pm

    LOL. I’m not the one who brought him up, water boy.

    Adam Kane

    4 Jun 12 at 11:42 am

    Lying liar who lies.

  65. jtfsoon says:

    Adam
    I don’t know why you’re going on about this issue. We already stuffed up twice in Egypt and Libya.

    Asaad denies that the massacre was carried out by his forces but even assuming this is false, another possibility is that the military action went out of control. It’s what happens during periods of instability like the one you want to further forment in Syria.

    As to the relevance of Afghanistan, it’s the fact that Syrian children by and large aside from the political repression have not fared badly under the Asaad government. They are well educated and not oppressed by backward mullahs who keep girls out of school. This would possibly change under a change of government.

    The appropriate conservative/libertarian response is wait and see realpolitik.

  66. Token says:

    People smugglers are deliberately crewing asylum-seeker boats to Australia with teenagers, knowing that recent policy changes make it nearly impossible for authorities to establish the age of new arrivals.

    …which moves “Fresh-Air” Carr’s deal with Indo over the Corby case for stupidity squared to stupidity cubed.

  67. JC says:

    They’re not the only two choices, dumbass, as I explained already.

    You’re the resident foreign Affairs department expert on Syria now, you moron?

    So the question is based on misinformation.

    No it’s not because so far into the Arab Spring I’m yet to see a Jefferson arise. All I’m seeing are beards.

    Anyway I already answered a very similar question from Tom.

    Look dickhead, there are no saints in the middle east. Only devils with the exception of Israel of course.

    Stop talking about stuff you have no fucking idea about, you laughable clown.

  68. Token says:

    I don’t know why you’re going on about this issue. We already stuffed up twice in Egypt and Libya.

    Asaad denies that the massacre was carried out by his forces but even assuming this is false, another possibility is that the military action went out of control. It’s what happens during periods of instability like the one you want to further forment in Syria.

    Are we doing this discussion again this week?

    We understand your point that Assad is an A-class monster…but as has been noted so many times:

    1. Is it realistic to think the autocrats in Moscow will allow Assad to fall, and thereby lose access to that warm water Med Sea port

    2. Will the alternative by worse, whereby the sectarian / religious / cultural rivalries explode

    3. Will Turkey be forced to invade to protect its minorities…

    etc.

  69. Token says:

    SNAP JC

  70. jtfsoon says:

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/02/201221794018300979.html

    The US intelligence chief says al-Qaeda’s branch in Iraq may have carried out recent bombings in Syria and infiltrated armed opposition groups fighting President Bashar al-Assad’s forces.

    Bombings in Damascus and Aleppo since December targeting intelligence buildings “had all the earmarks
    of an al-Qaeda-like attack”, James Clapper told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday.

    “And so we believe al-Qaeda in Iraq is extending its reach into Syria.”

    Syrian state media said “suicide bombings” on December 23 in Damascus killed dozens of people and the government blamed al-Qaeda for the attacks. The opposition claimed that authorities had carried out the attacks.

  71. Adam Kane says:

    I don’t know why you’re going on about this issue. We already stuffed up twice in Egypt and Libya.

    I disagree we stuffed up in Egypt. They’re having elections and if they have Islamics in power, inside the scaffolding of democracy, then that’s their business. That they’re electing religious nuts doesn’t mean the thing was a failure.

    Libya was mismanaged from the outset, but the major tactical error was that we didn’t have the lines running into the country, didn’t know enough about who we were supporting, and it turns out that we were supporting Islamists. Well, we’re doing the same thing now in Syria, but knowingly. But it’s soft support so that any criticism is like “don’t get involved.” We’re involved.

    There are many groups vying for power in Libya, there are more secularists than in either Libya or Afghanistan and there is absolutely no guarantee that the worst case will occur.

    Plus okay I admit it: I am absolutely sickened by Assad’s sadism and cruelty. it’s moved out of realpolitik for me and it’s a moral issue.

  72. JC says:

    He’s skipping class at school to annoy and bore people shitless, Token.

    Adding the sanctimony and he’s like Jazzabelle’s mini-me.

  73. Adam Kane says:

    Stop talking about stuff you have no fucking idea about, you laughable clown.

    fuck off water boy.

  74. . says:

    It is not worth liberating Syria if we have to fight Russia to do so.

    Let Israel sort them out. It’s cheap.

  75. Adam Kane says:

    Lying liar who lies.

    You deleted the first half of the exchange Gab. It was with Rabz and OCO.

  76. Gab says:

    Deleted nothing, schoolboy. You’re the one with an unhealthy interest in mk50.

  77. JC says:

    I disagree we stuffed up in Egypt.

    Of course not. supporting the ouster of that callous prick without even giving the Egyptian liberal left a chance to organize themselves was a great fucking idea by the Kenyan and the rest of the stupid western left.

    They’re having elections and if they have Islamics in power, inside the scaffolding of democracy, then that’s their business.

    Are you a fucking moron or what dickhead. This is the Muslim botherhood we’re talking about bearded fucking freaks who will let you vote. Once.

    That they’re electing religious nuts doesn’t mean the thing was a failure.

    Lol. Oh fuck off and stop boring everyone, you clown. Of course it was a failure. In any event it’s not our concern and if they continue to supply Hamas and their other clients with rockets etc to attack Israel, the Israelis should simply nuke them into the bronze age.

  78. JC says:

    fuck off water boy.

    Lol. That’s it.

  79. Adam Kane says:

    JC on Assad: “anyone with a wife that hot can’t be all bad.”

    I don’t think anything else needs to be said.

  80. Gab says:

    “THE navy has intercepted greeted another boat carrying suspected asylum seekers illegal immigrants – the fourth in four days – off Australia’s northwest coast.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/navy-intercepts-fourth-boat-in-four-days/story-e6frfku0-1226382824229#ixzz1wmnuFLBp

  81. JC says:

    It is not worth liberating Syria if we have to fight Russia to do so.

    True. But arm the good guys though like the Christians etc.

    Let Israel sort them out. It’s cheap.

    Always is.

    Dot I have no interest in that shithole, except to say things aren’t clear over there and the west needs to be careful it isn’t being duped.

    Just arm the Christians to the teeth and then put your feet up and watch.

    The school boy here thinks it has potential as a libertarian paradise.

  82. Token says:

    Plus okay I admit it: I am absolutely sickened by Assad’s sadism and cruelty. it’s moved out of realpolitik for me and it’s a moral issue.

    We respect that point. No-one could object the natural anger that comes from seeing the millions endlessly screwed over in that region.

    Who didn’t get the same feeling the same about monsters and thieves in Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia and Libya.

    Considering the experiences in those countries, unless the West is willing expend Blood & Treasure to occupy the country like it did in Iraq, when it comes to Syria we should watch and wait.

  83. JC says:

    I don’t think anything else needs to be said.

    ‘sactly.

  84. . says:

    Gab

    People are always going to come to Australia.

    Why does it bother you so much they are boaties?

    We didn’t have mandatory detention before 1994.

    Was it really that bad before then?

  85. jtfsoon says:

    Who didn’t get the same feeling the same about monsters and thieves in Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia and Libya.

    The Shah of Iran used to torture lots of people too.

    But the ME would be in a better state today if he’d remained in power. Iran would be a powerhouse today,

  86. Adam Kane says:

    You’re the one with an unhealthy interest in mk50.

    I’m interested in the fact that so many people here worship everything that comes off the keyboard of a non-libertarian homophobic racist. I have to admit it’s kind of perplexing. but no… you deleted this:

    Rabz:like when MK50 lays into teh lobotomised Leichhardt lezzo…
    Adam: …and gets his ass handed to him
    Rabz: never yet…
    Adam: Oh Come On said there were several examples of Mk schooling Les on this thread. But that’s not true. There aren’t any.

    etc. So don’t fucking call me a liar, just because you’re too stupid to follow a conversation.

  87. JC says:

    Why does it bother you so much they are boaties?

    There a few reasons it bothers me a great deal, Dot.

    They cost a great deal of money and there’s a fucking industry developing behind them. I recall reading that 5 years after they have been here a large number are still receiving welfare.

    They are a perfect constituency for left side voting and I want to see that number brought down to zero.

    These aren’t the same people that arrived back in the 70’s. The Viets were always a good add because those that came here were anticommie, didn’t receive much welfare as they were resourceful and were a natural constituency for the right.

  88. JC says:

    I’m interested in the fact that so many people here worship everything that comes off the keyboard of a non-libertarian homophobic racist.

    Really? There is? May a bolt of lightening strike me down if I’ve read more than three or so comments he’s ever posted here.

    You really are a fucking moron, Able.

    Just because he posts comments here, doesn’t mean people agree with him or even read his stuff.

    Go away and get back to class.

  89. Adam Kane says:

    The Shah of Iran used to torture lots of people too.

    But the ME would be in a better state today if he’d remained in power. Iran would be a powerhouse today,

    That’s very depressing to think of it that way.

  90. C.L. says:

    RENT for the Canberra building that will house the carbon cops responsible for policing the carbon tax has jumped $1.3 million a year to cover a variety of factors, including car parking, electricity and rising rent costs.

    Gab, Tim Blair has christened the building Carbon Heights.

  91. Oh come on says:

    Oh Come On said there were several examples of Mk schooling Les on this thread. But that’s not true. There aren’t any. It seems that neither you nor anyone else can provide an example of Mk winning an argument.

    Again, more evidence that Adam Kane is rather stupid. I did not say MK “won an argument” – that would require a concession from the opposite side, and Les is more likely to vote for Tony Abbott than to concede he was wrong – no, I said there were several examples of MK schooling Les on the situation in Syria. You too, as it happens.

    It’s not my fault you’re too dimwitted to realise when this is taking place.

  92. Gab says:

    It bothers me because they’re economic refugees. It bothers me because before Rudd/Gillard we didn’t have this flotilla of illegal immigrants. It bothers me most because they are queue-jumpers encouraged by Gillard who shrieked for years at Howard: “another boat. another policy failure”. It bothers me because GillardRudd’s softening of policies encourages people to risk their lives. It bothers me because we have no control over who comes here. It bothers me because the asylum seeker quota should be increased but the Welcome Package they receive courtesy of the benevolent taxpayer should be decreased, but it’s not. It’s an incentive. It bothers me because Australians are being treated as mugs. It bothers me because a lot, quite a lot, of these “asylum seekers” are running away from their own country instead of staying and fighting, something our troops are doing for them.

  93. . says:

    I think the scepticism of Libya and Egypt is unwarranted.

    al Qaida are not in charge, the MB will lose the next election.

    It is simply a reversal of the BDS.

    You can support regime change all you like, but remember, you are basically gambling and nation building.

    Supporting Israel would be the cheapest way to keep the crazies in line. I would support the removal of the Assads but I don’t think NATO has the cash to do this properly. As a libertarian, I support the “new world order” except 1. Bush didn’t really fight a “global war on terrorism” as promised and 2. As Russia is an integral part of the NWO and supports Assad – this is nearly impossible.

    I would consider bribing Assad into exile and inviting an interim Government overseen by Turkey, Israel and Jordan with peacekeepers from Ireland (can’t afford it), Germany, Thailand etc.

  94. JC says:

    That’s very depressing to think of it that way.

    Lol. Able believes there’s plenty of Mohamnad Jeffersons ready to rise up in that sandpit. That’s what his geography teacher told him.

  95. . says:

    It bothers me because they’re economic refugees.

    Why?

    Should we shun foreign capital?

    It bothers me because a lot, quite a lot, of these “asylum seekers” are running away from their own country instead of staying and fighting, something our troops are doing for them.

    Hmmm…they are unarmed and at the same time we are under-funding our military.

    Yes, Gillard is a inveterate liar and has imposed a shameful, abusive policy with Malaysia.

  96. Token says:

    I think the Melbourne Comedy Festival would get so many more people to attend if it sacked the list of local C listers and replaced them with people reading out Mark Steyn’s articles:

    The Eurovision Song Contest doesn’t get a lot of attention in the United States, but on the Continent it’s long been seen as the perfect Euro-metaphor. Years before the euro came along, it was the prototype pan-European institution, and predicated on the same assumptions. Eurovision took the national cultures that produced Mozart, Vivaldi, and Debussy, and in return gave us “Boom-Bang-a-Bang” (winner, 1969), “Ding-Ding-a-Dong” (winner, 1975), and “Diggi-Loo-Diggi-Ley” (winner, 1984). The euro took the mark, the lira, and the franc, and merged them to create the “Boom-Bang-a-Bang” of currencies.

    How will it all end? One recalls the 1990 Eurovision finals in Zagreb: “Yugoslavia is very much like an orchestra,” cooed the hostess, Helga Vlahovi?. “The string section and the wood section all sit together.” Shortly thereafter, the wood section began ethnically cleansing the dressing rooms, while the string section rampaged through the brass section pillaging their instruments and severing their genitals. Indeed, the charming Miss Vlahovi? herself was forced into a sudden career shift and spent the next few years as Croatian TV’s head of “war information” programming.

  97. C.L. says:

    Pasquale Barbaro got a 30 year minimum for importing ecstacy.

    Today:

    Man who murdered 12-year-old girl gets 15 years.

    A MAN who murdered a 12-year-old girl and tried to kill her grandmother has been sentenced to at least 15 years imprisonment.

    Renzo Da-Pra, 48, was last month found guilty of murdering his neighbour Emma Wighton, whose throat was almost severed, and causing grievous bodily harm to her grandmother, Vivienne Wighton, 77, with intent to murder her on December 18, 2009.

    He was also found guilty of the manslaughter of his father, Gino Da-Pra, 77, on the grounds of substantial impairment.

  98. JC says:

    I have no issue with economic refugees. None.

    Yes, Gillard is a inveterate liar and has imposed a shameful, abusive policy with Malaysia.

    Oh yes, the humanity of the left. Amazing fucking dishonesty from that side. And notice how most supported this abomination or remained silent…. which is why the Fisk doctrine needs to be imposed through their own finkelstien laws.

  99. Token says:

    …and he comes home with an effective summary of why the European “crisis” will not be resolve soon.

    That’s to say, the unsustainable “bubble” is not student debt or subprime mortgages or anything else. The bubble is us, and the assumptions of entitlement. Too many citizens of advanced Western democracies live a life they have not earned, and are not willing to earn. Indeed, much of our present fiscal woe derives from two phases of human existence that are entirely the invention of the modern world. Once upon a time, you were a kid till you were 13 or so; then you worked; then you died. That bit between childhood and death has been chewed away at both ends. We invented something called “adolescence” that now extends not merely through the teenage years but through a desultory half decade of Whatever Studies at Complacency U up till you’re 26 and no longer eligible for coverage on your parents’ health-insurance policy. At the other end of the spectrum, we introduced something called “retirement” that, in the space of two generations, has led to the presumption that able-bodied citizens are entitled to spend the last couple of decades, or one-third of their adult lives, as a long holiday weekend.

    The bit in between adolescence and retirement is your working life, and it’s been getting shorter and shorter. Which is unfortunate, as it has to pay for everything else. This structural deformity in the life cycle of Western man is at the root of most of our problems.

  100. Gab says:

    Should we shun foreign capital?

    lol if only that were true. Once they get here the majority stay on welfare, as the figures from the last five years have shown. Not much foreign capital being invested here by that lot.

  101. Oh come on says:

    al Qaida are not in charge, the MB will lose the next election.

    What next election, dot? If the MB get control, there won’t be anymore elections*. How many elections did Hamas hold after they won at the ballot in Gaza?

    No, Egypt’s going to hell in a handbasket. Sorry, but it’s true.

    *or they’ll be Iranian-style elections whereby people get to vote candidates into ineffectual offices.

  102. C.L. says:

    It bothers me because they’re economic refugees.

    Why?

    Because almost all of them are on the dole?

  103. Oh come on says:

    And are thus ALP clients. There’s method in this madness. Plenty of it.

  104. Token says:

    The Shah of Iran used to torture lots of people too.

    But the ME would be in a better state today if he’d remained in power. Iran would be a powerhouse today,

    That’s very depressing to think of it that way.

    It is, but you know it is true, don’t you.

    Considering both countries are both run by women hating religious zealots – does you average person in Saudi or Iran live a better life?

  105. JC says:

    Because almost all of them are on the dole?

    My dad arrived here in a boat.. well ship actually.. on a Friday. He had a job lined up on the following Monday and started work.

    That’s an economic refugee.

    I’m not saying anyone should be out there getting a job in two of three days in this modern age. However still scoring welfare after 5 years is a little of the overdoing side I think, no?

  106. . says:

    Pasquale Barbaro got a 30 year minimum for importing ecstacy.

    Today:

    Man who murdered 12-year-old girl gets 15 years.

    Drug laws create injustice.

    I don’t know how manslaughter, murder and GBH doesn’t get 25+ to life. He didn’t plead guilty/

  107. Oh come on says:

    I got no problem with open borders. Just as long as the arrivals realise they have to hit the ground running and there are no welfare handouts available for them.

    People who come to Australia seeking a better life in such circumstances are, by definition, high-initiative people who will contribute enormously to our society.

  108. . says:

    If you want to break the ALP’s serfdom, I recommend we install sortition, sunset clauses on legislation and the power of referenda to strike down laws.

    As well as scrap a heap of occupational licensing, wage regulation and reform the tax and welfare system to end welfare to work disincentives.

    …and encourage the accumulation of capital. Which the MRRT and carbon tax obviously don’t do.

  109. Gab says:

    Hmmm…they are unarmed and at the same time we are under-funding our military.

    We pay for our troops to fight in Afghanistan. We pay our troops to train Afghani police/military. We pay “asylum seekers” to come to Australia illegally. Our troops lay their lives on the line while mostly, mostly, young male Afghani “asylum seekers” run. Why are their women left behind? Is the journey too perilous for their women but not too dangerous for them to be left behind?

  110. . says:

    OCO,

    I think we are better spending money on welfare for refugees than giving money to the UN.

    Restricting welfare to non citizens isn’t a bad idea though.

  111. JC says:

    A US Traders view on the Euroweenie clusterfuck.

    Supporters of Germany’s moral high ground say “why should the hard working, industrious, Germans pay for the sloth of its neighbors?”

    Is it really that simple?

    When the euro was created, the architects encouraged European institutions to buy the sovereign debt of all members countries, including Greece, Italy, Spain Ireland etc. The Germans knew they’d benefit because the euro would ensure that no one could undercut them via currency devaluation. They had successfully stripped Europe of its independence and locked members–and the institutions who bought sovereign debt– into a currency prison.

    Aside from Greece, there aren’t any cash calls in Spain and Italy. The panic is spreading, forcing yields up, and giving the perception that everything is about to unravel. Confidence is everything. As money flees troubled states, it swarms into German banks, pushing their borrowing rates to record lows.

    It’s quite nice to be a German today, no?

    On top of that, the Germans refuse to monetize troubled states debt, instead forcing them into austerity. The result is a downward spiraling economy for the austerity stricken, crippled by an overvalued currency and inability to provide stimulus for their beleaguered economies. Is this simply a case of Germany taking the moral high ground, drawing a line in the sand in an effort to protect their tax payers?

    Fuck no.

    The Germans know what they are doing and it has nothing to do with taking the moral high ground. They are creating this crisis in order to maintain German manufacturing superiority and to finance their own mountains of debt at extraordinarily low interest rates.

    How can you have a common currency with 16 other nations and fail to guarantee their debts? Is it preferable to see the entire Eurozone collapse, eliminating the idea of credit and prosperity, just so Merkel and co. and say “we took the moral high ground?”

    THEY SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS SHIT BEFORE THEY ENTERED THE EURO!!!

    If the euro collapses, forget about stocks even trading. How could they, if they won’t have a currency to denominate into? Markets will crash, then close. Eurozone GDP will fall by at least 25%, taking Asia and America with it. Unemployment will soar and Germany will be able to borrow money for free.

    Those fuckers may finally get to win a world war.

    Congrats.

  112. C.L. says:

    If asylum seekers won’t accept jobs in the Pilbara, Western Queensland or the Northern Territory, they’re not economic refugees and should be sent home.

    What they like to do is create comfortable ghettos in Sydney and Melbourne, get on the rock ‘n roll and elect Labor MPs and alderman who’ll keep the cash flowing.

    Compare and contrast to the Italians who built the sugar industry in Queensland and the Poles who went bush for the Snowy Mountains project.

    Today’s boat arrivals are economically useless leeches, most of them, and they have no respect for this country whatsoever.

  113. . says:

    Gab

    Men have died on the front of every war. Women have been spared that luxury to a large extent since the Crimean War.

    Don’t get snippy about this.

  114. Gab says:

    I don’t think you understand what I said, dot.

  115. . says:

    If asylum seekers won’t accept jobs in the Pilbara, Western Queensland or the Northern Territory, they’re not economic refugees and should be sent home.

    They need to pay some sleazy little RTO $600 to learn how to be ticketed in a “shovel safety course” or some other wank.

  116. JC says:

    If asylum seekers won’t accept jobs in the Pilbara, Western Queensland or the Northern Territory, they’re not economic refugees and should be sent home.

    That’s an interesting thought. There’s a 1000 or so arriving every week, so it wouldn’t be hard getting them the 1,700 jobs thing the lying slapper fucked up last week.

  117. . says:

    Germans play the long game. They are masters of it.

    I think you’ll find JC that central europe and Germany are more or less political and economic allies. Germany has obvious historical and political links to Poland. I think Poland, Hungary, Czechs, Slovakia, Austria all support Germany. Even to some extent the Swiss and Fennoscandis do as well.

    The Hohenstaufens and Habsburgs rise again!

  118. Gab says:

    Today’s boat arrivals are economically useless leeches, most of them, and they have no respect for this country whatsoever.

    I don’t blame them. Look at the Gillard incentives – $90k package as a start and plus plus plus all the other benefits.

  119. C.L. says:

    Send them to the Pilbara to do the grunt work.

    No you can’t have the dole.

    No you can’t pray five times a day.

    No you can’t sell drugs.

    No you can’t support the Canterbury Bulldogs.

    Take this offer or fuck off.

  120. dover_beach says:

    Fifteen years? They really are callous bastards.

  121. Oh come on says:

    The promise of instant welfare can’t be the honey that attracts migrants, dot. It’s a terrible idea.

    Migrants need to be attracted to the promise of a level playing field, fair governance and rule of law, and limited restrictions to trade.

    If you haven’t read it, I recommend Anh Do’s book “The Happiest Refugee” regarding this issue. It’s hardly a scholarly tome – more of a not enormously well-written feel-good story about multicultural Australia that some might feel a bit out of touch with the reality in some parts of western Sydney and other areas.

    However, he describes his life fresh off the boat in Australia. Of course none of them spoke English. They were given clothes and helped in other material ways by Catholic nuns. They needed to work, so they borrowed money to buy a sewing machine and ran that sucker 16 hours a day. They paid it off, then bought another. They took with gusto to the concept that the harder you worked, the more money you could get, and soon they had a bunch of sewing machines all , operated by a steady flow of relatives who joined them in their enterprise. And it supported several families, got their kids into school and so on.

    Oh sure, we’d call what they set up a sweatshop, but compared to what they’d come from? It was fucking paradise. Australians really are blind about such things, we and our soft flabby arses, completely unfamiliar with genuine poverty, high-mindedly taking out the bottom rungs of the ladder of development and replacing it with the welfare slippery slope.

  122. JC says:

    Germans play the long game. They are masters of it.

    I thought Merkel came up with a reasonable solution over the weekend. She said she would support joint issue and other stuff if the other economies begin to reform and make their economic systems more like Germany’s.

    Germany isn’t exactly a free market paradise either, so it shouldn’t be be that difficult …. unless of course you’re France who has already baulked at the idea of retiring at 67.

  123. . says:

    No you can’t support the Canterbury Bulldogs.

    Take this offer or fuck off.

    I insist this also says “nor South Sydney, nor can you ever live in Surry Hills”.

  124. JC says:

    No you can’t support the Canterbury Bulldogs.

    Huh? Explain that one?

  125. . says:

    OCO,

    See my comments elsewhere why I strongly dislike Rudd.

    He tried to legislate philanthropy out of existence.

    What a turd. Making people dependent on the State.

  126. John Mc says:

    I don’t blame them. Look at the Gillard incentives – $90k package as a start and plus plus plus all the other benefits.

    Has anyone got a link for this?

  127. JC says:

    WTF? $90,000 to get over here? This can’t be fucking serious?

  128. Adam Kane says:

    They needed to work, so they borrowed money to buy a sewing machine and ran that sucker 16 hours a day. They paid it off, then bought another. They took with gusto to the concept that the harder you worked, the more money you could get, and soon they had a bunch of sewing machines all , operated by a steady flow of relatives who joined them in their enterprise. And it supported several families, got their kids into school and so on.

    Can’t happen any more. The textiles industry used to be almost completely run by refugees. But they never paid themselves and their family members award wages or award conditions so the Left have done everything they can to shut it down.

  129. Oh come on says:

    Must be to pay back your people smuggler. Imagine the conversation at the dock in Pakistan

    “sahib here are all my worldly goods to pay for my passage to Australia, the promised land of free everything”

    “no probs, just jump on board, you can have it on tick. When you get to Oz just give me the $90,000 their stupid government gives you when you get off the boat”

  130. Oh come on says:

    Can’t happen any more. The textiles industry used to be almost completely run by refugees. But they never paid themselves and their family members award wages or award conditions so the Left have done everything they can to shut it down.

    I’m well aware of this tragedy, Adam Kane. Another successful battle fought by the left in their ongoing War On The Poor.

  131. Sinclair Davidson says:

    I’ve opened a new open forum.

  132. JC says:

    Rabz

    But Bolt is an idiot. He’s suggesting Gina should go out and dump her holdings. In today’s environment for that stock it would get it down to 30 cents or so.

    Why would she want to do that? It’s a stupid idea.

    Gina needs to play the longer game here as she’s the only one with the loot.

  133. Fisky says:

    The asylum seeker mess was created by Labor in order to bring in as many Labor voters as they can. There is nothing more to it than that.

  134. Gab says:

    Welcome package is $10,000, so my mistake on the $90k. (Sorry, that was the amount we would pay for each asylum seeker refused under the Malaysia Solution.)
    Plus rent is paid for, utilities connections paid for, free doctor, education, pharmaceuticals, dental, dole.

  135. JamesK says:

    Rabz

    But Bolt is an idiot

    I think he’s sending them a signal on behalf of Gina

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