Open Forum: September 8, 2012

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  1. C.L. says:

    I see the fallout from Jensen’s tour de force triumph last night – which included a memorable humiliation of Tony Jones – is hitting the fag hag lobby hard today.

    That’s good.

    Because his point stands, as does Wallace’s – unchallenged and irrefutable.

    Homosexuality is a health hazard.

    There is no such thing as a ‘safe’ number of anal sex encounters. It is very much comparable to smoking in that sense.

    Incidentally, Jensen has degrees – up to and including a coveted D. Phil – from Sydney University, the University of London and Oxford University.

    In the other corner – speaking for Pedro and wacko anti-depressive campaigner Monty – Catherine Deveny.

  2. Gab says:

    Apparently you’ve been obsessing about it here in absentia, CL, according to the man who told us last week that hetero sex was no longer necessary.

  3. . says:

    I see the fallout from Jensen’s tour de force triumph last night

    The true Church in England lives!

  4. alan says:

    lan – do Scots people still eat haggis or is that an old fashioned kind of thing now and times moved on. what’s it like? no offence meant, i guess you’ve been asked that hundreds of times anyway.

    Candy. I have a Tartan, I have never eaten Haggis, I have drunk Scotch.
    You are the only person that has ever asked me.
    There are lots of native Scots and ex-pats that consume all those things on a regular basis. Haggis can be bought in Sydney

  5. C.L. says:

    I know Catholics are uptight about sex…

    Yeah, that must be why we’ve outbread every other denomination.

    Maybe you missed Monty Python’s take on non-Catholics and sex.

  6. alan says:

    No bozo, if things were left the way they were debt would grow to $100B. But feel free to celebrate the $65B Debt your comrades did leave behind

    Thank you Dan.

  7. C.L. says:

    In Parliament, the health minister – whose husband is a convicted heroin trafficker – is talking about morality, trauma and caring for people.

  8. Gab says:

    Despicable ****.

    Treasurer Wayne Swan has turned from smearing and misrepresenting miners to joining journalists of the Left in framing Tony Abbott as a violent sexist.

    In Parliament today he claimed Tony Abbott “is a thug”.

    This politics of personal destruction if unleashed by the Liberals would be denounced by every press gallery heavy. This one is instead abetted by most.

    The Goverrnment has utterly debased the quality of public debate. That is, when it’s not trying to suppress it.

    UPDATE

    It’s a deliberate campaign.

    Now Swan complains of “aggessive questions”.

  9. Token says:

    Reading between the lines in Judith’s article today, you can see why Heather Sell-Out was happy to be the part of the Potemkin village of business leaders for Rudd & Gillard:

    A good example of this was the application made by AMP for inclusion as a default fund in the Professional Employees Award. The application was opposed by both the Australian Industry Group and the Association of Professional Engineers, Scientists and Managers Australia.

    Fair Work Australia dismissed the application because AMP did not have standing, although the tribunal could have used its discretion to vary the award.

    Taking a look at the Professional Employees Award, we note that AustralianSuper is one of the listed default funds. And on the board of AustralianSuper there are six directors nominated by the AI Group.

    With that type of attitude there is no surprises why she was keen to shaft the members of the AIG.

    You can bet Heather and her “peers” in the executive of AIG will be vocal in opposing member interests and blocking the regulation of Industry Super Funds.

  10. JC says:

    There are lots of native Scots and ex-pats that consume all those things on a regular basis. Haggis can be bought in Sydney

    Europeans eat disgusting stuff. Horses, dogs, insides. It’s not just one country. The whole lot a disgusting.

  11. Huckleberry Chunkwot says:

    From the Greens/Lovers Tiff thread,

    I am not happy to be a pessimist about this, but the Left Never Sleeps. They have a religious devotion to politics, and to control, and we on the right have to take time off from our day jobs to have an amateur stab at politics just fend them off from the latest outrage. They plot and plan, we react. We want to be left alone, they want to control us. We do not need them, but they are dependent on us for their livelihoods. They cannot allow us to be free because they need us to pay for their visions of grandeur. They continually advance, and we continually retreat.

    I have never seen the Left/Right dichotomy explained so concisely. I don’t mind saying that it scares the beejesus out of me.
    H/T Jannie

  12. twostix says:

    Treasurer Wayne Swan has turned from smearing and misrepresenting miners to joining journalists of the Left in framing Tony Abbott as a violent sexist.

    In Parliament today he claimed Tony Abbott “is a thug”.

    This politics of personal destruction if unleashed by the Liberals would be denounced by every press gallery heavy. This one is instead abetted by most.

    The Goverrnment has utterly debased the quality of public debate. That is, when it’s not trying to suppress it.

    UPDATE

    It’s a deliberate campaign.

    Now Swan complains of “aggessive questions”.

    Surely this weeks ratcheting up of the howling and shit flinging signals that something is coming very soon.

  13. Gab says:

    They’re going to try and push ahead with the Malaysian Deal and have already started to blame Abbott for the delay. What else, I don;t know.

  14. I don’t mind saying that it scares the beejesus out of me.

    Chunkwart telling the kids scary stories around the campfire: “Then, despite the warning, he looked behind him. And there, standing in the doorway, the red haired politician said ‘we should raise more revenue from the rich to ensure a fairer society”!

  15. Token says:

    Chris Kenny spats the cave to ShutUp! & GruenReich Peace:

    The decision to ban the so-called super trawler from fishing in Australian waters shows the Gillard Government doesn’t learn from its mistakes.
    One minute a fishing company is allocated a quote to take a certain tonnage of fish and arranges to have a large trawler come here to fill it. Next, the deal is off.

    The advantage of the super trawler is not, apparently, so much the size of its net but the fact it has a processing factory and freezer storage on board so it can efficiently fish the quota without constantly returning to shore. The quota had been set on scientific grounds, so as not to deplete the fish stocks. No more fish were going to be caught by the super trawler than if there were 10 smaller trawlers on the seas. Government authorities were consulted and supportive – all was going very well.

    Then politics got involved. Pressure groups Greenpeace and GetUp! decided they would make an issue of this fishing vessel. A social media campaign, advertisements and media stunts ensued. There is, of course, nothing wrong with that – they have every right to express their views.

  16. Gab says:

    Ripper of an article, twostix.

    But unless the activists could come up with some new facts or information to change the government’s mind, they should have been resisted. Their claims about off-target kills, after all, remain simply claims. And monitoring was going to be in place to ensure the fishing was conducted appropriately.

    Yet, once again, the government was intimidated by the emotive media campaign – magnified in the digital age by social media. So – just as it did in response to a media campaign against the live cattle trade to Indonesia last year – the Gillard Government has been reactive, jumping in response to Twitter and the 24-hour news cycle. In a knee-jerk response it has now completed another policy backflip and banned the ship from fishing for two years while more research is carried out.

    The government has overruled itself because it couldn’t withstand a couple of weeks’ pressure from Greenpeace, GetUp! and the Greens. Paradoxically this comes just as Labor has been trying to tell voters that the Greens are out of touch and it won’t tolerate being pushed around by them. All evidence to the contrary.

  17. twostix says:

    Amusing.

    Over at Democratic Undergound, one of the Democrats “grass roots” activist sites a thread exists where old washed up 60’s feminists and losers are lamenting the fact that their good for nothing sons and daughters are rejecting their wise activist parental teachings vis-a-vis politics and becoming well adjusted republicans.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021304176

  18. Token says:

    I have never seen the Left/Right dichotomy explained so concisely. I don’t mind saying that it scares the beejesus out of me.

    Huck, why do you think the Left hates Free Speech and needs to muzzle blogs & talk back radio?

    The Tea Party (and the Carbon Tax protesters) scares them even more as it is a ligitimate popular revolts of the middle and lower classes whereby these people wish to set the agenday instead of being responsive to the lefty reactionaries who plunder the ever-expanding public purse while they distract attention with the latest scare/tirade.

  19. Ivan, the climate refugees didn’t go to Germany – they just melted.

  20. Gab says:

    oops, apologies, Token.

  21. twostix says:

    Ripper of an article, twostix.

    Not I!

  22. Token says:

    Here is the leech on society SoB raises the red flag of Socialism again.

    And there, standing in the doorway, the red haired politician said ‘we should raise more revenue from the rich to ensure a fairer society”!

    Faux Conservatives of the world unite and overthrow your oppressors.

  23. JC says:

    Amusing.

    Over at Democratic Undergound, one of the Democrats “grass roots” activist sites a thread exists where old washed up 60?s feminists and losers are lamenting the fact that their good for nothing sons and daughters are rejecting their wise activist parental teachings vis-a-vis politics and becoming well adjusted republicans.

    Stix

    We have friends (our kids went to school together)….. The couple are life long Westside Demolitionists. Westside Demolitionists make Fitzroy leftwingers look right wing. Typically they’re lefties and hypocritical as one spouse worked on the tobacco case in the 90’s in support of the big bad tobacco firms.

    Anyways their kid was my son’s good friend all through school and he became a Republican in high school. He even supported gun ownership we were told! He’s a lawyer now living in Alaska and living the Republican life.

  24. Token says:

    Ripper of an article, twostix.

    Not I!

    Chris Kenny should get all the credit, I’m happy to be the cypher.

    As the Stenographers are carefully coordinating with Lie-Bore in the sleazy Abbott, Abbott, Abbott distraction Mark CCLXXXIV the Gaffe Machine that is the Red Yabbi is once again trying to get away with an amazing cave.

  25. Jarrah says:

    “We call it marriage.”

    Good point, dover_beach. The safest form of sex is one-partner monogamy (as opposed to serial monogamy). This is codified in the social institution of marriage.

    In the interests of homosexual health, you will now advocate that gays be allowed to marry, right? 😛

    “Yeah, that must be why we’ve outbread every other denomination.”

    That’s because you’re also uptight about contraception.

  26. candy says:

    “Candy. I have a Tartan, I have never eaten Haggis, I have drunk Scotch.
    You are the only person that has ever asked me.”

    okay, well I don’t think i’m up for haggis either! I do like the look of tartan fabric products but, such cheerful warm colours for throwover rugs and cushions and stuff, just speaking of Scottish style of things.
    I’d ask you the colour and style of your Tartan, but it might all be a bit trite for the open forum people! hope it’s blue/green but.

  27. twostix says:

    We have friends (our kids went to school together)….. The couple are life long Westside Demolitionists. Westside Demolitionists make Fitzroy leftwingers look right wing. Typically they’re lefties and hypocritical as one spouse worked on the tobacco case in the 90?s in support of the big bad tobacco firms.

    Shortly leftism to young people will be what straight “square” conservatism was to the rebel youth in 1960.

    Wide eyed libertarianism is making nice inroads into youth culture, soon it will the on campus rebel cause du-jour.

    Leftists will be the establishment trying to ban it and denouncing it in the name of “immorality” and “civility”…oh look that’s already happening.

  28. Jarrah says:

    “As the Stenographers are carefully coordinating with Lie-Bore in the sleazy Abbott, Abbott, Abbott distraction Mark CCLXXXIV the Gaffe Machine that is the Red Yabbi is once again trying to get away with an amazing cave.”

    Are you having a stroke?

  29. Huckleberry Chunkwot says:

    Chunkwart telling the kids scary stories around the campfire: “Then, despite the warning, he looked behind him. And there, standing in the doorway, the red haired politician said ‘we should raise more revenue from the rich to ensure a fairer society”!

    Steve you indolent, emasculated, oxygen and pixel thief.

    Remind me again how a self confessed “conservative” would not find socialist wealth redistribution policy such as you have described, abhorrent?
    What, you can’t? That is because you are a liar.
    You do not have a conservative bone in your body. If you had been smart enough to get into uni, you would have been a member of the on campus Socialist Forum.
    If you were motivated enough to be employed, you would have been the shop steward.
    Unfortunately, you are neither smart nor motivated and as a consequence you spend your days here annoying the crap out of people.
    Fuck off and stop lying.
    If you were not such a despicable fucking liar, you may get a little respect on this site.

  30. twostix says:

    In the interests of homosexual health, you will now advocate that gays be allowed to marry, right?

    And you support the return to pre no fault divorce, right?

    In the interests of “homosexual health”.

  31. JC says:

    Steve you indolent, emasculated, oxygen and pixel thief.

    Always a good way to start a comment directed to stepford.

  32. . says:

    Kyrie eleison.

    Save us from those fat, unproductive, ill spoken, tax eating teachers that probably eat kids.

  33. Gab says:

    They remind me of United Airlines flight attendants.

  34. Ahem:

    “Ronald Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s diaries, told NPR. “He knew that it was necessary at times. And so there’s a false mythology out there about Reagan as this conservative president who came in and just cut taxes and trimmed federal spending in a dramatic way. It didn’t happen that way. It’s false.”

    It’s important to note that Reagan’s tax increases did not wipe out the effects of that initial tax cut. But they did eat up about half of it. And as Peter Beinart points out, the 1983 payroll tax hike went to pay for Social Security and Medicare. (“Reagan raised taxes to pay for government-run health care,” Beinart writes.) Reagan also raised the gas tax and signed the largest corporate tax increase in history, an act Joshua Green writes would be “utterly unimaginable for any conservative to support today.”

    Reagan was not happy about raising taxes or expanding government, and we certainly shouldn’t forget that he had to work within the constraints placed upon him by a non-compliant Congress. But that doesn’t change the fact that Reagan both increased spending and, after the initial cut, showed a willingness to raise taxes – exactly the sort of policy prescriptions so widely condemned by today’s Reagan-reverent conservatives.

    Increasing taxes, when appropriate, does not make one a socialist.

  35. . says:

    Reagan also raised the gas tax and signed the largest corporate tax increase in history, an act Joshua Green writes would be “utterly unimaginable for any conservative to support today.”

    Yes. He had to fight to the Soviet Union and force it to surrender and collapse.

    He should have cut waste, held taxes stable at worst and reformed US trade, occupational licensing and monetary policy more.

  36. Ivan Denisovich says:

    Paradoxically this comes just as Labor has been trying to tell voters that the Greens are out of touch and it won’t tolerate being pushed around by them. All evidence to the contrary.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/labor_shields_the_greens_it_said_wanted_to_divorce/

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/labor_squibs_the_real_fight_with_the_greens/

  37. Token says:

    Increasing taxes, when appropriate, does not make one a socialist.

    Nice strawman, who said it does except you?

    The problem is SoB you can’t help making statements where you regurgitate the socialist dogma you’ve believed all your life.

    And there, standing in the doorway, the red haired politician said ‘we should raise more revenue from the rich to ensure a fairer society”!

    This is like Obama’s “Share the Wealth Around” comment. Only a socialist would think it is not a big deal.

  38. brc says:

    On the super trawler – blind freddy could tell that fishing already had quotas and limits. So one trawler going out for a long time would catch exactly the same amount of fish as 10 or more smaller trawlers.

    What the green idiots failed to absorb was that one larger ship doing the fishing was always going to be more efficient than a set of smaller ships. As is usual for them – there will now be more, smaller ships burning diesel and running over turtles and dolphins rather than one larger, more efficient ship. The exact same number of fish will be caught, either way.

    The only outcome will be worse environmentally, plus a further dropping of confidence in the Australian government, and yet more evidence how the green tail wags the Labor dog.

  39. dover_beach says:

    Good point, dover_beach. The safest form of sex is one-partner monogamy (as opposed to serial monogamy). This is codified in the social institution of marriage.

    You mean, codified, as is “between a man and a woman”?

    In the interests of homosexual health, you will now advocate that gays be allowed to marry, right?

    Except, they don’t, as a rule, want or practice monogamy. They want polyamory; from ‘monogamish’, at best to promiscuity at worst.

  40. m0nty says:

    So JC, are you still holding out any hope for R-Money? Obama’s convention bounce was bigger than Mitt’s. Silver pegs Obama as four to one on favourite, up from three to one on. What changes the game from here on in?

  41. dover_beach says:

    Speaking of United Airlines, they’re quoting return flights to NY in November at around $1300. A freaking steal.

  42. dover_beach says:

    What changes the game from here on in?

    The debates, monty. I also tend to think that Dick Morris is on the money here.

  43. m0nty says:

    The debates, monty. I also tend to think that Dick Morris is on the money here.

    Obama is a far better orator.

    And you’re talking about Dick Morris, who says Hillary is a hostage whom Obama will kill, and Bill Clinton delivered a zinger of a speech because his agenda is to undermine Obama? Morris who says Obama thinks Jews don’t care about Israel? Morris who claims Akin is a big plus for Romney? Morris is a fruit loop.

  44. Huckleberry Chunkwot says:

    SfB, why keep arguing the point?
    You are as close to being a conservative as Julia is to being honest (or moral).
    Why the charade?
    Just come out loud and proud and declare yourself, ” Hi, my name is Steve and I am a socialist”
    You will feel much better about yourself and I am sure that you will not receive anywhere near as much vitriol on this site as you have in the past.
    I think that people will have at least a smidgen of respect for someone that declares their position and then argues a case for that position.
    Rightly, people have no respect for an inveterate liar who prances around here wearing the cloak of conservatism as a disguise.
    BTW, how is the working with children check going?

  45. blogstrop says:

    The semenblogger working with children? Say it aint so, Huck!
    Now if he’d just punched a wall or something, that’d be ok.

  46. Nanuestalker says:

    m0nty –

    Clearly you know sweet FA about POTUS elections, it all starts after the conventions with the debates. Current projections have the election as a 50/50 split. I expect no more than 10 electorial college votes will be the the difference if Obama holds but if things continue to go Romney’s way expect a 30 vote margin.

  47. mOnty, how do you suggest we celebrate the Obama win in November? If we can both get to Sydney, I think Sussex Street will spring for a tofu and vegetarian feast in Chinatown, followed by an evening at that new play “The Anal Monologues”.

  48. Gab says:

    Obama is a far better orator.

    than Biden, sure, but he’s nothing without TOTUS and anyone who says otherwise deserves to have rotten eggs thrown at them and laughed outta town.

  49. brc says:

    The essential poll of Labor government decisions has some interesting data:
    Decisions of the Labor governemtn

    We all know what comes in dead last (‘there will be no…’)

    But what comes in second last, less popular than the NBN – why, it’s removing Workchoices!

    But…but…The unions told us that nobody likes Workchoices? Why is it, then, that the percentage of voters that supports the Labor party is higher than the number of people that supported the removal of Workchoices?

    The bias of Essential media is on display with the questions – like ‘implementing the gonski report’ – as if announcing some never-never spending in 10 years amounts to a policy.

    And this one ‘Expanding dental health services for people on low incomes’ – 78% support! Why not ask them if they hate murdering kittens – I’m sure you can get nearly 99% support on that one. I’d like to see the response to ‘increasing your tax paid by $1000/yr to supply dental health services’ – now that would be an interesting response.

    If that’s the standard, then Abbott should announce a new 2-pack kitchen for every house between 2035 and 2040. I mean, if we’re going to judge uncosted, non-detailed air-fairy announcements….

  50. JamesK says:

    I love the Prof Bunyip but…….

    Liar was right to call him out.

    It doesn’t serve him well but given his own circumstances probably understandable.

    It wouldn’t really matter if he wasn’t a hero to many of us but he is.

  51. Guys, smartarse p_edo “jokes” just show what offensive idiots the joke teller is. I have a couple of kids and tire of your repetitive stupidity. Grow up.

  52. Huckleberry Chunkwot says:

    Nah Blog, it ‘aint the case.
    I have just been trying to make the point that Steve shows signs of being a bit of a sexual n’er do-well in addition to his open misogyny. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if there were impediments to him being able to apply for said check.
    I have asked him on many occasions if he has such issues, but he has never answered.

  53. DavidJ says:

    Once again Muttly, your insight engulfs all others. Clearly Morris is a fruit loop and you are an unappreciated genius with a global reach, plus in this case, armed with a superior understanding of US political machinations.

    It would be a social service (or almost a branch of justice) if you craft an all encompassing OP based on your superior knowledge of diet, fitness and being an internet CEO. Will ya?

  54. m0nty says:

    mOnty, how do you suggest we celebrate the Obama win in November? If we can both get to Sydney, I think Sussex Street will spring for a tofu and vegetarian feast in Chinatown, followed by an evening at that new play “The Anal Monologues”.

    I say we burn down St Andrew’s, followed by a tour of brothels on the good ole HSU credit card.

  55. Gab says:

    smartarse p_edo “jokes” just show what offensive idiots the joke teller is

    reminds me, how is your mate Julian Burnside, SFB? Has he twittered anymore ‘Abbott is a ped0’ smirks?

    Yes? No? What about “jokes” calling Abbott a ‘violent scumbag’ as you did today? That musta been hilarious on planet grub.

  56. m0nty says:

    It would be a social service (or almost a branch of justice) if you craft an all encompassing OP based on your superior knowledge of diet, fitness and being an internet CEO. Will ya?

    If Sinc asks nicely.

  57. Helen Armstrong says:

    Larry Pickering says that two QLD unions have issued tender for polling on Gillard v Rudd for least seats lost.

    That this ties in with upping the ante on Abbott being vile woman basher unable to control his urges /sarc off

    If so, can anyone say when election would be called? Would Rudd want time to bed in or would they rush to polls on the glow of salvation?

  58. H B Bear says:

    The Labor-Green backflip is just the latest example of the massive increase in sovereign risk under this worst government in living memory.

    This reeks almost as much as Conroy’s interference in the Australia Network tender that was twice awarded to Sky News.

    Twelve months to go and Australia’s long term economic interests will continue to be damaged right up to election night.

  59. DavidJ says:

    “Liar was right to call him out.”

    Fuck that. Gillard deliberately choose to exploit and weave her own political survival into the public statement.

  60. dover_beach says:

    If we can both get to Sydney, I think Sussex Street will spring for a tofu and vegetarian feast in Chinatown, followed by an evening at that new play “The Anal Monologues”.

    Sorry, but if the two of you are performing won’t it be the “The Anal Dialogue”.

  61. Huckleberry Chunkwot says:

    Steve, you don’t need to be a ped0 to be denied a working with children card.
    Registered sex offenders are not able to apply. To be a registered sex offender does not require one to have diddled kiddies.
    You have on many, many occasions exhibited rank sexual perversion along with rampant misogyny. When this is wrapped up with you declaring that you want to smack around one of the female contributors to this site, there are conclusions to be drawn about your character.
    No-one is intimating that you are a ped0, and believe me, if I had an inkling that you were I would be straight to the cops about it.
    I don’t make jokes about that shit, unlike your leftist heroes as Gab has already pointed out.

  62. DavidJ says:

    “If Sinc asks nicely.”

    As an alternate deal and just for simply posting a substantial thought in the OT, what if I offered you a $200 voucher for KFC?

    Imagine… buckets, wraps, chips, potato, nuggets, gravy, all beyond your wildest culinary dreams.

    You name the outlet and I will prepay the credit note.

    You seem trustworthy.

  63. Helen Armstrong says:

    issued tender invited tender ….

  64. Hey Chunkwart, here’s the thing: if you’re arguing politics, as most of the arguments here are about, you don’t have to attack someone you disagree with by saying “by the way, I think you’re a sex offender of some kind”.

    Radical idea for you, I know, reeking as it would of a glimmer of maturity.

  65. alan says:

    According to the Queensland Treasurer the debt that Labor left was $63.7 billion.
    That’s $1.3 billion less than this morning.
    Is this the only accounting error or is there more to come?

  66. JamesK says:

    Fuck that. Gillard deliberately choose to exploit and weave her own political survival into the public statement.

    That reflected on her not on our beloved Bunyip.

    The reverse is true for Bunyip’s comment earlier on this thread.

    Frustration is inevitable as the Left are always dishonest.

    The only way they win in the first place is to pretend to be conservatives and the only way they deflect criticism is to demonise conservatives.

    Besides it’s what the MSM want her to say.

    She can’t disappoint them.

    They’ve got her back and need rewarding

  67. m0nty says:

    I’m more of a Nando’s man, DavidJ.

  68. JC says:

    So JC, are you still holding out any hope for R-Money?

    Of course. The polls are very volatile within a narrow band. However they will break convincingly I think.

    Obama’s convention bounce was bigger than Mitt’s.

    Looks like it, doesn’t it. Lets see if it holds.

    Silver pegs Obama as four to one on favourite, up from three to one on. What changes the game from here on in?

    Does he? Intrade seems about the same.

    A couple of things change the game. Does the Kenyan’s expected bounce have staying power, which we will see over the next few weeks.

    The debates could change things.

    Both the betting and the polls suggest a Kenyan win at the moment.

    Personally I don’t think it will happen, but talk is cheap and I’m not prepared to bet on it.

  69. JC says:

    Hi Alan

    That so-called error in 1.5% of the total, you dickhead. Get it into perspective. They also left that debt in a 150 year terms of trade boom which in itself is astonishing. Now fuck off.

  70. Huckleberry Chunkwot says:

    Chunkwart

    maturity eh?

    Fuck off Steve.
    I will stop questioning your proclivities when you are able to engage in debate without continually resorting to crass sexual language and imagery, misogynistic diatribes and threats to assault the women who frequent the site.
    As for engaging in political argument, maybe you should try it.
    Generally, arguments require the participants to have their own views. You have repeatedly shown that you are incapable of forming your own views, instead relying on providing stupid links to irrelevant leftist websites as if that somehow makes your case.
    Keep your mind out of the gutter, your hands off the women and take your trolling to somewhere where it is welcome.

  71. Jarrah says:

    “Except, they don’t, as a rule, want or practice monogamy.”

    All those married gays don’t want or practise monogamy?

    “You mean, codified, as is “between a man and a woman”?”

    Codification varies between cultures and eras.

  72. JamesK says:

    So JC, are you still holding out any hope for R-Money?

    Nothing I’ve seen changes my view that Romney will win a comfortable victory.

    He’d have to self-immolate and that ain’t gonna happen.

  73. without continually resorting to crass sexual language and imagery, misogynistic diatribes and threats

    Someone in a thread at the LGF blog the other day said “wingers are masters of projection”, and I knew exactly what he meant.

  74. JC says:

    Then there’s this:

    Don’t get too worked up about the latest polling,” Neil Newhouse wrote in a memo that the Romney campaign circulated Monday, “While some voters will feel a bit of a sugar-high from the conventions, the basic structure of the race has not changed significantly. The reality of the Obama economy will reassert itself as the ultimate downfall of the Obama Presidency, and Mitt Romney will win this race.”

    Well, you might very understandably suppose, the Romney pollster would say that. Yet Newhouse continues to make a number of arresting, and encouraging, points. To wit:

    All signs point to a tight race. Those watching the daily tracking polls know that, while the President has seen a bounce from his convention, his approval has already begun to slip, indicating it is likely to recede further. In eight states, Pollster.com’s reporting of the most recent statewide polls puts the margin between the two candidates at less than three points, virtually guaranteeing a tight race.

    Next, the battlefield has actually expanded, not contracted. Note that Wisconsin is now in play and our campaign is now up with ads in that state, while the latest poll numbers from the Albuquerque Journal in New Mexico show the race closing there. And this tightening is not an anomaly. Consider the traditional Democratic strongholds of New Jersey and Connecticut, won by President Obama in 2008 by margins of 15 points and 22 points, respectively. In both states, Pollster.com’s reporting of the most recent statewide polls puts Obama’s lead at only seven points in each of these states.

    In North Carolina, fresh off of hosting the Democratic National Convention, the Obama campaign is laying the groundwork for a stealth withdrawal. In a state the President won by a mere 14,000 votes in 2008, all one has to do is look at the Obama campaign’s television buy in the state to understand how they view their chances there. The Obama campaign’s North Carolina television buy has dropped 35% compared to June, and they have run more than twice as much advertising over the past two weeks in Rochester, Minnesota (hitting a small slice of Iowa), than they have in any North Carolina market.

    Romney gaining in New Mexico while Obama retreats from North Carolina. Very, very good news.

    It’s very tight. This isn’t really a great position for an incumbent to be in. But I still go with the polls and Intrade favoring the Kenyan. I have no edge to make a prediction based on the tightness as it stands now.

    If the pollster is right about the fact that the battlegrounds have expanded rather than contracted then it’s a problem for the Kenyan.

  75. DavidJ says:

    “I’m more of a Nando’s man, DavidJ.”

    If that is your depth of negotiation skills, it explains your tenure as Ausbone CEO and hence the ultimate corporate outcomes. Go ASIC.

    Perhaps focus any potential OP on the safer ground of health and fitness. There is a $200 credit to be eaten.

  76. JC says:

    Monst

    Who is DavidJ? I must say he has a lot of `elan… and insight… lots of insight.

    Monst, who is Ausbone. Presumbably it’s not some sort of dating site, right? Explain please

  77. Nanuestalker says:

    I think that analysis is pretty good JC. We’ll have a better idea in 3-4 weeks but with the swing states moving away from Obama the electorial map could look like 2004 except for New Mexico which I think Obama will hold.

  78. alan says:

    That so-called error in 1.5% of the total, you dickhead. Get it into perspective. They also left that debt in a 150 year terms of trade boom which in itself is astonishing. Now fuck off.

    Thirteen Thousand million is a fair chunk of cash.

  79. JC says:

    Thirteen Thousand million is a fair chunk of cash.

    It’s not thirteen thousand million, you fucking innumerate. It’s thirteen hundred million. … 1.3 billion

    Here:

    13,000 x 1,000,000 = 13 billion

    1300 X 1,000,000 = 1.3 billion

    Is being an fucking innumerate a dead set requirement to be leftwing?

    $1.3 billion is a lot of money, however measured against the debt the Liars party left the state it’s a rounding error, you dim bulb. As I said.. astonishing.

    Now fuck off

  80. m0nty says:

    Who is DavidJ?

    Just some random troll. I probably banned him from my site and he developed a grudge.

    Monst, who is Ausbone.

    A former employer of mine. I worked there for eight months trying to sign new partners for an ISP peering co-operative – long story short, it was a network set up by mid-sized ISPs to route around Telstra to avoid longhaul costs. I had some success, but not enough. I’m not a born salesman. Then the dot com bust came, and everyone in the industry without equity lost their jobs, pretty much. End of story.

  81. Rudiau says:

    Jacques,

    The hosts are fucking up royally. I’m working on it.

    1100 comments and the Cat is lightning fast, the personal info remains stored, the recent comments shortcuts work, liberty quotes rotating.
    Ya dun good.

  82. alan says:

    It’s not thirteen thousand million, you fucking innumerate. It’s thirteen hundred million. … 1.3 billion.

    JC
    I got it wrong sorry, but I was overwrought by the news. I’m glad it’s not so bad as I thought. I especially don’t want to upset you.

  83. C.L. says:

    In the interests of homosexual health, you will now advocate that gays be allowed to marry, right?

    Try again:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html

  84. C.L. says:

    The left’s continuing war on science… Andrew Bolt has a round-up re the extremist Gillard government’s latest panic: DA TWAWLER MONSTER!

  85. SteveC says:

    sfb:
    Van Jones: Obama Can Be ‘Moved’ on Environment, Romney Can’t .
    A good reason to hope for an Obama win.
    I’ll onto Sussex street and get something setup for November.

  86. SteveC says:

    Oops I meant GetUP something for November

  87. Dan says:

    Alan, your defending the indefensible. Debt is debt and your beloved comrades left more than keating.

    Grow a pair

  88. Jarrah says:

    “Try again:”

    So the NYT is an unreliable leftist rag shilling for Democrats that can’t be trusted to do more than spell its transparently partisan articles correctly… unless you want to link to it. LOL

    Also, it seems you didn’t read the whole thing:

    Open relationships are not exclusively a gay domain, of course.

    No surprise, considering estimates for heterosexual marriage infidelity (that is illicit affairs rather than open relationships) range from 30% to 60%.

  89. Dan says:

    @Monty

    I’m not a born salesman

    Well, your fucked then aren’t you Monty. Get out into the sunshine and synthesise some Vitamin D

  90. JC says:

    I got it wrong sorry,

    No need to apologize. You’re an idiot.

    but I was overwrought by the news.

    No you weren’t you bullshit artist. You were elated they found an error.

    I’m glad it’s not so bad as I thought.

    No you aren’t.

    I especially don’t want to upset you.

    You’re not.

    But listen to yourself, you fucking moron. You’re doing a song and dance about $1.3 billion remaining silent about the huge debt of over $60 billion.

    As I said, fuck off.

  91. dover_beach says:

    All those married gays don’t want or practise monogamy?

    No, not all, just most. See CL’s link above.

    Codification varies between cultures and eras.

    Oh, so when you said “The safest form of sex is one-partner monogamy (as opposed to serial monogamy)” you meant this only in terms of being true in certain “cultures and eras”.

    I really don’t understand your game here, Jarrah. If certain features of marriage are not found across all cultures and eras we could never know we were discussing the same institution. If this is true, those features (exclusivity; life-long; a man and a woman ) and their purpose are essential, not conventional.

  92. Tiny Dancer says:

    I have a couple of kids…

    cannot help but feel sorry for them if you have anything to do with establishing their moral compass. Don’t act like a sleazebucket in a trenchcoat and you won’t cop the shit. Boxhead

  93. JC says:

    Tiny makes some very good points, stepford. You should listen to him.

  94. dover_beach says:

    Also, it seems you didn’t read the whole thing:

    Open relationships are not exclusively a gay domain, of course.

    No. The argument never depended on open relationships being “exclusively a gay domain”. The argument was that gay ‘marriage’ had very little to do with monogamy. Thus, the reference to the article, which also sought to problematise the requirement of exclusivity in the very definition of marriage.

  95. jumpnmcar says:

    Tiny Dancer you are indeed a compassionate and generous person, and given that your advice will most probably be ridiculed by the very scum you endeavour to help, please don’t change.
    I doff my hate to you sir?madam.

  96. Steve from Brisbane says:

    Tiny malevolent dancer: you’re one of the bellicose morons who doesn’t understand my sense of humour or my social conservatism, and have made this blog a mere imitation of the more enjoyable place it used to be. You would not be missed if you took your ludicrous vendetta against me elsewhere.

  97. Steve from Brisbane says:

    JC, don’t encourage the bile filled morons just because u find continual abuse of me funny.

  98. JC says:

    Stepford

    Stop being so fucking rude to someone trying to help you.

    Moron.

  99. alan says:

    But listen to yourself, you fucking moron. You’re doing a song and dance about $1.3 billion remaining silent about the huge debt of over $60 billion.

    It’s not me that’s making a song and dance.
    I just got it wrong.Sorry.

  100. Gab says:

    my sense of humour or my social conservatism

    you’re not funny and you’re a totalitarian so stop lying.

  101. Tiny Dancer says:

    Please Stevieliar QC, I hate agreeing with you. I don’t get your sense of humour or social conservatism but I get how you are a fuckwit who talks shit

  102. jumpnmcar says:

    It’s not me that’s making a song and dance.
    I just got it wrong.Sorry.

    Fuck that’s lame.

  103. Tom says:

    JC, don’t encourage the bile filled morons just because u find continual abuse of me funny.

    Not funny. Essential. Fuck off. You’re a waste of food.

  104. DavidJ says:

    “Just some random troll. I probably banned him from my site and he developed a grudge.”

    Despite your pitiful sanitising of the facts, history will always show you as the Jerry Lundegaard of the internet.

  105. brc says:

    If so, can anyone say when election would be called? Would Rudd want time to bed in or would they rush to polls on the glow of salvation?

    Anyone trying to understand the ins and outs of an early election should read Antony Greens latest blog (go find it!).

    In a nutshell, he says the coalition doesn’t want an early election now, because it wouldn’t be a half-term senate election, just a lower house election. Which means they would be hamstrung with exactly the same senate makeup as now, and would be forced to either call a senate-only election (bad for sitting governments, historically) or would have to try and trigger a double-dissolution and have another election shortly afterwards.

    With the greens vote dropping and the ALP vote not recovering, best case scenario for the coalition right now is for Gillard to limp on and call an election in the first half of next year, after the minimum period for the half senate election.

    Best move for Rudd is to knife Gillard, and call an early election before then. He probably loses, but it will be closer, and he won’t lose the senate.

    So Rudd is agitating for another spill, and the Gillard camp is going to hang on for grim death and hope something comes their way.

  106. brc says:

    Oh, alright, I found it:

    Which party wants an early election

    Here’s the key part:

    Section 13 of the Constuitution means that any election held before 3 August 2013 would be for the House of Representatives and the four Territory Senators. There cannot be a half-Senate election for state Senators before August 2013, and even then, the new Senators elected would not take their seats until 1 July 2014.

    So we need to run until August to clean out the greenfilth, or go early now and get the carbon tax withdrawal legislation blocked twice to call a double dissolution, which they would have to get onto pronto, or be forced to a half-senate election by May 2014 (which Green says is what Gough was visiting the GG for when he got boned).

    So it’s either general election late 2012 leading to possible double dissolution in 2013, or election in August 2013, which I don’t think Swanny will want as too many figures will be released.

    Expect all this to be part of the Rudd master plan.

  107. H B Bear says:

    The Goose can’t wait until the MYEFO numbers are out. He and Gillard will be laughed out of town when they try and con the love media into reporting a 2012-13 surplus.

  108. m0nty says:

    Despite your pitiful sanitising of the facts, history will always show you as the Jerry Lundegaard of the internet.

    Whereas you are the Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged of the internet, and history will not record you at all.

  109. Helen Armstrong says:

    Thanks brc, so Rudd if he gets the nod would go this year, Juliar if she hangs on would go next year (Bolt is tipping February) OR she will run the distance.

    Antony Green from your link

    The strongest pre-text for an early election would be a change of Labor leader, perhaps a resignation from Parliament, or perhaps a defeat on the floor of the House. All three would normally produce cries from the Opposition for an early election, which is what the Government would need to do what I suggest. However, as I explained, this might be the point in the electoral cycle where demanding an early election is not in the Coalition’s best interest.

    I have seen comments elsewhere that Juliar is releasing policy now that should have been saved for an election to stave the Rudd challenge off, so she is fighting. But how long can she last without the support of the Unions? I guess we get to see how she fights when cornered.

  110. blogstrop says:

    SfB: “Someone in a thread at the LGF blog the other day said” ….

  111. C.L. says:

    So the NYT is an unreliable leftist rag shilling for Democrats that can’t be trusted to do more than spell its transparently partisan articles correctly… unless you want to link to it. LOL

    Lame fend-off to another beclowning.

    It is precisely because the New York Times is a leftist rag shilling for Democrats that an article acknowledging the laughable fantasy of gay ‘marital’ monogamy has a more than unusual authority.

    Nixon, China and all that.

    Try again.

    And while you’re at it, explain to us why a man can’t marry a beagle if it’s what he really wants.

    GO!

  112. JamesK says:

    And while you’re at it, explain to us why a man can’t marry a beagle if it’s what he really wants.

    Or his sister if they really love one another

    LOL

  113. Infidel Tiger says:

    Far be it from me to defend mOnty but if having a failed business venture is a sin then then we have lost our bearings. We need risk takers and risk will inevitably involve some failure.

    p.s Lose some weight mOnty. It’s unseemly.

    Normal transmission may now resume.

  114. SteveC says:

    WTF? IT standing up for mOnty? IT, someone has stolen your email address.

  115. Rabz says:

    Or his sister and a beagle if they all really love one another

    The resulting kiddies would then have three parents and most likely two heads…

  116. Helen Armstrong says:

    Sorry, February tip not Bolt, but luvvie Peter Hartcher, and linked to by Bolt.

    Is this leak disguising the real intent? Or is it to fend off Rudd again, wrong foot him? So she can say to the knifers look, I’m working on an early election, OK?

    OR is it to put Abbott under pressure in the hope the coalition will fumble as time goes on? Probably all of the above?

  117. Steve from Brisbane says:

    What’s gone wrong? IT the Defender of the Downtrodden.

  118. Tim says:

    Here is a little quote I found quite interesting, talking about the results of the plain packaging legislation. Draw your own conclusion.

    Tobacco manufacturers who produced the branded stock can lodge claims with the ATO for refunds of duty paid, once the tobacco is destroyed.

    The ATO will supervise the destruction of the tobacco.
    Between October and December 2012, there will be up to 100 cubic metres a day being destroyed, which means squelched and squashed and graded into landfill. For smokers it will be approximately 540 million cigarettes destroyed as each stick is individually branded. So the ATO will have staff in most destruction sites, in safety boots and high visibility vests. It reminds us of the range of activities we have administered for Australia.

  119. m0nty says:

    @rupertmurdoch ruminates.

    Election: To win Romney must open big tent to sympathetic families. Stop fearing far right which has nowhere else to go. Otherwise no hope

  120. Infidel Tiger says:

    I can no sooner criticise mOnty for starting a business than the person at Krispy Kreme who provides him with nourishment.

    Capitalism must always be defended.

  121. m0nty says:

    Just to clarify: I didn’t start AusBONE, I was merely an employee.

  122. Infidel Tiger says:

    @rupertmurdoch ruminates.

    Election: Romney must draw clear line: offer specific path to restore American dream versus ugly Obama class war with jobs disappearing.

  123. brc says:

    IT but surely we get a pass on criticising the efforts of one when they spend their waking hours trying to destroy the very system they live from?

    I don’t know. It seems wrong to allow lefties to try and run a business. Unless it is a very good business immune to bad management, it’s destined for the tip. Or they are just faux lefties. Either way, the two ideas are incompatible (entrepreneurship and a left outlook).

  124. Alice says:

    Corpratism must be derided and capitalism must be defended Infidel.

    I dont know how you can make the connect between giving entrepreneurial abilities to the most (and that includes SMEs in the larger pyramid) than allowing it to accrue to to the few (at the top pushing down the netrepeneurial abilities of those below working their way up the food chain).

    Yes capitalism must be defended but Im not sure you have a grip on the fact that we now are starting to live under corporatism ie control by the few…and this doesnt sit well with either liberty or opportunity.

  125. m0nty says:

    Have you got an invisible Murdoch sitting on that chair now, IT?

  126. Infidel Tiger says:

    Under the Fisk Doctrine leftists may start businesses but they are taken from them the moment they turn a profit. It’s what they would have wanted.

  127. Infidel Tiger says:

    Have you got an invisible Murdoch sitting on that chair now, IT?

    Read his twitter feed.

  128. m0nty says:

    Ah right, thought you had pulled a FTFY gag. All good.

  129. Pickles says:

    Mr I Tiger has always shown compassion for the unfortunately afflicted. The willfully ignorant, not so much. Nil really.

  130. Alice says:

    Gee brc says

    “. It seems wrong to allow lefties to try and run a business”

    This from a defender of the market and capitalism (and freedom and liberty?)

    There is a cure for that. You should know it you spiteful creature. Make all “lefties” who run businesses, give up all their possessions to the anti lefty police and wear an L affixed to their clothing and send them off to concentration camps.

  131. Gab says:

    Make all “lefties” who run businesses, give up all their possessions to the anti lefty police and wear an L affixed to their clothing and send them off to concentration camps.

    Seconded.

  132. JamesK says:

    Under the Fisk Doctrine leftists may start businesses but they are taken from them the moment they turn a profit. It’s what they would have wanted.

    If that’s the case a few dozen Krispy Kreme donuts can be purchased daily from petty cash to reduce profitabilty

  133. Alice says:

    JC is a waste of food by the way…whoever said it.
    Not that im sure he would ever run short of food or wine

  134. Tom says:

    How do you defend someone who puts his nuts on the line and starts a business when he is a blind zealot who defends the most anti-business government in Australian history? Monty has a death wish and secretly yearns to be a tax-eater on the dole. Go and get a psychiatrist, Mont; better still, just pull your finger out and start kicking ass instead of licking Shane Wand’s.

  135. Alice says:

    LOL James K
    as log as lefties frequent Krispy Creme Donuts they can avoid the concentration camps of the anti left police force…

    As far as I can see Romney is desperately trying to get the top job but he might be better off keeping krispy Creme going. Ill place a bet now. The guy comes across as a lying hound about his business affairs and taxes.

    Maybe better look at whats wrong witn Romney. He doesnt appeal to families.

  136. dd says:

    Yes capitalism must be defended but Im not sure you have a grip on the fact that we now are starting to live under corporatism ie control by the few…and this doesnt sit well with either liberty or opportunity

    No Alice, that’s not corporatism.
    Corporatism is when businesses use the political system to entrench their competitive advantage over other businesses.

    For example, when TV stations lobby Canberra to limit the number of stations to 3, or to stop pay TV from buying the rights to the grand final, that’s corporatism. When car manufacturers rock up to the government and say “help, we need money” and get multimillion dollar handouts, that’s corporatism. When there’s legislation forbidding private couriers from competing with Autralia post, that’s corporatism.

    Corporations making money is not corporatism. That’s the system working as it’s supposed to.

  137. m0nty says:

    I have been kicking a lot of arse (note: not ass) this year in my business, Tom. Thanks for asking.

  138. Alice says:

    Gab – disgraceful. I thought you people liked freedom and business opportunities or is it only freedom for people who think like you?

    Oh dear half the creatives would leave town (and you would miss their ads)

  139. dd says:

    or just to clarify my point: the key feature of corporatism is the mixture of money and politics. ie politicians helping one business win against another business.

  140. . says:

    Hmm yes Alice, you’re really creative, banging out talking points seen on Margo’s webdiary nine years ago.

  141. JamesK says:

    LOL Alice

    What a fool you are.

    You scamp!

  142. Gab says:

    the key feature of corporatism is the mixture of money and politics. ie politicians helping one business win against another business.

    AusNet comes to mind.

  143. Gab says:

    for people who think like you?

    Nobody thinks like me, Alice. Nobody. I am not part of your Borg collective. Shoo.

  144. C.L. says:

    Confirmed: FDR was a cowardly traitor.

    AP Exclusive: Memos show US hushed up Soviet crime.

    Via Instapundit.

  145. Alice says:

    dd – (another case of wilful blindness)?

    says

    “Corporatism is when businesses use the political system to entrench their competitive advantage over other businesses.Corporations making money is not corporatism. That’s the system working as it’s supposed to.”

    Hmmmm – pardon me dd but dont you see it??, especially in America?
    if they (corporates) just went about their business making money rather than spending large sums on polical lobbying (read blatnat bribery)…

    Id be happy with that – wouldnt you? Who wouldnt? Trouble is some corporates have too much profit these days and are lavishing it on government and politicians and it is not only almost de rigeur to pay for favourable legislation changes, you cant run an election without it in the US.

    Wake up and smell the roses dd. There is a payoff and they already have their fangs in government and have had for quite a while now.

    Thats corporatism not capitalism.

  146. Alice says:

    saccaharine (equal)

    is on hallucinogenics

    I have no idea who Margot is.

  147. Steve from Brisbane says:

    I don’t even understand Rupert’s advice about opening the tent to sympathetic families. …Can someone explain?

  148. Alice says:

    dd – if you are going to defend capitalism at least be prepared to defend it properly. The status quo isnt good enough because it is no longer capitalism.

  149. C.L. says:

    Steve the LGF hound.

    Something in common with Anders Brievek.

  150. . says:

    Hmmmm – pardon me dd but dont you see it??, especially in America?
    if they (corporates) just went about their business making money rather than spending large sums on polical lobbying (read blatnat bribery)…

    …and maybe they wouldn’t feel it was necessary if Washington shredded 90% of the laws they have, and cut taxes for all, and let people just get on with business.

    As the Government gets bigger, the more likely they are to regulate you out of business and increase the chances of you being a lobbyist.

  151. dd says:

    if they (corporates) just went about their business making money rather than spending large sums on polical lobbying (read blatnat bribery)…

    I agree, and it’s a bigger problem in Canberra than Australia.

    However… while political donations can have a corrupting effect they don’t necessarily do so. And people criticise corporations for donating and having lobbyists but turn a blind eye to unions, NGOs, and industry bodies.

  152. dd says:

    correction: bigger problem in the US. But as dot said, they are drowning in regulation so what else can they do?

  153. Tom says:

    Alice, are you in the same room with Coz sharing a bong while you plot capitalism’s downfall? Have you got the red bandana on yet? Is the Cuban salsa music doing it for you?

  154. H B Bear says:

    Even the 7.30 Report can’t gloss over the sovereign risk attached to the latest Labor-Green trawler back-flip. The contrast between Tony Burke, the idiot son of union aristocracy Joe Ludwig, Tubbsy Milne and their scientific advisors couldn’t have been greater.

    Burke trys to defend a two year approval process reversed in the last two weeks. As anyone knows – he should have had Angus Huston hold an independent inquiry.

  155. C.L. says:

    Wait, what?

    Coalition MPs join critics of data storage plans.

    Most opposed the Nazi scheme.

  156. dd says:

    dd – if you are going to defend capitalism at least be prepared to defend it properly. The status quo isnt good enough because it is no longer capitalism.

    You’ve identified the wrong problem.
    here’s what’s not capitalism.

    It is illegal to compete with Australia post.
    It’s illegal to compete with the NBN
    It is illegal to set up a new broadcast TV station.
    It’s illegal to clear new land for farming.
    parallel importing of books is illegal
    You can start a news and opinion website all you like, but you’ll have to compete with the government subsidised monstrosity known as the ABC
    The government has unbalanced the playing field toward low-carbon industries against high-carbon industries
    major new land developments need an army of lobbyists or they never get off the ground
    There’s an artificial restriction on the supply following: GPs, psychiatriasts, taxis, liquor licences, and many other things.
    starting your own child care involves ridiculous amount of red tape and you must employ a government trained ‘expert’;
    etc.

    That’s the status quo, and to use your words, no, it’s not capitalism. it’s often described approvingly as a ‘mixed economy’.

  157. kelly liddle says:

    An interesting item in the news Labor swings it’s axe again to fight capitalism with no logic whatsoever. The super trawler is to be banned yet the governments own information says the nets are smaller than other trawlers and this is the main thing that can cause problems. Rob Oakeshott says he will vote against the legislation unless there is further evidence to suggest the government got it wrong before. This will be interesting to see.

  158. Gab says:

    So the finally stopped a boat.

  159. dover_beach says:

    Confirmed: FDR was a cowardly traitor.

    AP Exclusive: Memos show US hushed up Soviet crime.

    The Allied betrayal of the Poles in the immediate post-WW2 period was utterly shameful.

  160. Gab says:

    they, not the

  161. alan says:

    The short time I have been looking at this blog leads me to believe not all bullies are in the schoolyard and that some of the nastiest people I have ever observed are on this site.
    Probably the worst of these is JC who has no pity.

  162. C.L. says:

    So they finally stopped a boat.

    LOL.

  163. kelly liddle says:

    There’s an artificial restriction on the supply following

    dd
    Any licence is what you are trying to get at. While you can argue the merits or lack there of about any licence the purpose is restricting the number of participants for various reasons. Take fishing, if you want to go fully down the path you are suggesting anyone can fish and catch anything they want anywhere they want. Any high value fishery will be overfished and the outcome will be lower incomes for all. This is not to say some species are now under utilized.

  164. brc says:

    Gee brc says

    “. It seems wrong to allow lefties to try and run a business”

    This from a defender of the market and capitalism (and freedom and liberty?)

    It’s amazing that most standup comedians are lefties because most of them can’t seem to be able to work out what is a joke.

    I’ll be sure to put the LOL on next time.

    @gab : “so they finally stopped a boat” – comedy gold!

  165. Huckleberry Chunkwot says:

    @alan- read the rules of the blog. If you want to troll, suffer the consequences. Heat, kitchen, fuck off etc.

    SfB, I leave for a few hours and what happens?

    Someone in a thread at the LGF blog the other day said “wingers are masters of projection”, and I knew exactly what he meant.

    Seriously, this is the best that you can come up with?
    The LGF blog for fuck’s sake. If it was anyone but you I would naturally assume that you were talking about Johnsons blog, however as it is you , I am unsure if you are talking about some deviant Lesbian,Gay,Fetish site.

  166. Huckleberry Chunkwot says:

    Anyway Steve, I have to go back to work now so you have all night to come up with something better.
    Nightie-night, sleep tight.

  167. JC says:

    Hi Alan

    The short time I have been looking at this blog leads me to believe not all bullies are in the schoolyard and that some of the nastiest people I have ever observed are on this site.
    Probably the worst of these is JC who has no pity.

    Al, stop being such a pathetic wimp.

    I’m not a bully at all. I’ve simply grown an intolerance towards lefties. I’m tired of your tactics which are all the same. I’m tired of your spite and I tired of your rank stupidity. However I’m really pissed off that you all to a man and woman support this current government.

    Now look at yourself, you disgusting creature. Queensland reports a debt load of $63 billion the Liars Party accumulated while in office.At this point the concern by any regular, normalized human being ought to be how the fuck is the state going to carry such a debt load at, what increasingly looks like, the tail end of a boom.

    You on the other hand, you fucking spiteful idiot…focus on a $1.3 billion correction they made to the stats oblivious to the world around you. You’re thinking that would catch our eye and that you brought something worthwhile to the table that was supposed to make the Libs there look bad.

    Making things even worse… and this is what makes me really intolerant .. you’re a fucking innumerate unable to figure most basic numeracy.

    As I said, fuck off as you’re too stupid to be here. You all are in fact.

  168. JC says:

    I can no sooner criticise mOnty for starting a business than the person at Krispy Kreme who provides him with nourishment.

    Capitalism must always be defended.

    Too true, although I wish he’d lay off the crispy cream a little instead of visiting the place 7 times a day.

  169. JC says:

    Having said all that IT, I honestly thought Ausbone was some sort of off centre Aussie dating site Monst had started and which then folded seeing he stuck a pic of himself on the front page in his original golfing attire eating a crispy cream off the first hole.

  170. JamesK says:

    Campbell Newman was very impressive on Lateline against the usual shameless leftist smartarsery from Emma.

    Worth a look online if you missed it.

  171. JC says:

    Monst

    I don’t want to labor this, but who the fuck thought of Ausbone as a good name for a Telco, you idiot. The name alone would detract customers.

    Next time you’re starting some new venture, do yourself a favor and let me review stuff like that. I would have warned you immediately about that appalling name for a telco and possibly saved your from that abyss.

  172. JC says:

    Campbell Newman was very impressive on Lateline against the usual shameless leftist smartarsery from Emma.

    She’s like a leftie robot. I reckon half the fucking time she has no idea what she’s even asking and why as the questions are all fed to her. It’s like she’s programed to act all nasty (to a rightie) and suckarsey to a leftwing Hooray Henry like Dave Marr.

    Hey, James, she may even be Kimberly, SteceC’s plastic doll. He lends her out to da ABC as Emma the interview doll later in the evening when even she can’t much more of him.

  173. JamesK says:

    Moody’s Expects To Cut US Rating Without Deal To Lower Debt/GDP Ratio

    Budget negotiations likely to determine AAA rating and outlook

    If budget talks do not produce downward trend in debt-to-GDP ratio, rating likely to be lowered to AA1
    Assumes “relatively orderly” process for increasing debt limit

    For whoever wins the election, getting the votes from the public will be the easy part. Getting the votes in Congress will be painful.

    H/t Drudge headline story

  174. JC says:

    Never thought I’d ever read a story like this about one single product.

    The next generation iPhone 5, which Apple Inc. plans to release this week, could not only boost the tech giant’s bottom line – but could give a significant boost to the overall U.S. economy.

    Sales of the new iPhone could add between a quarter and a half percentage point to fourth quarter annualized growth in the U.S., according to J.P. Morgan’s chief economist, Michael Feroli in a note to clients on Monday.

    Such an impact would be significant.

  175. Fisky says:

    Ausbone? WTF is that?

  176. brc says:

    Someone has replicated the Lewandowsky survey here :

    Lewandowsky survey replicated

    You need a password to take the survey : this is REPLICATE

    It’s worth looking at just to see how many ‘when did you stop beating your wife’ questions there are. The whole thing reads like a high school project.

  177. C.L. says:

    Ausbone?

    Is trhat some sort of porno site?

  178. Lazlo says:

    The whole thing reads like a high school project.

    And it’s in an Australian peer reviewed outlet,from an Australian research Council funded Fellow, at a Group of Eight university.

    The barbarians have not only breeched the gates, they are in charge..

  179. brc says:

    I note QLD govt ads on TV seem to reverted back to the old coat of arms, and not the stupid multi-stripe icon thing that Labor brought in. Newman at work again?

    I always hated the ditching of the coat of arms, almost as much as the ‘smart state’ plates.

  180. benson says:

    brc: Same thing happened here in WA – the retarded-looking state logo went with the previous government, replaced with the state coat of arms.

    And “smart state” plates aren’t a patch on

  181. Boris says:

    this point the concern by any regular, normalized human being…

    JC, what is ‘normalized human being’? I am scared.

  182. JC says:

    long worded way of describing normal people. Basically no leftwinger.

  183. C.L. says:

    Greg Sheridan produces unimpeachable witnesses, destroys homosexual extremist David Marr’s wallbanger invention.

  184. Fisky says:

    So the Left have been beclowned again. They really don’t seem to get anything right, do they?

  185. JC says:

    They have nothing to offer except lying, distortions and derangement, Fisk.

    The national conversation needs to take place without them, which is why it’s imperative the the Fisk Doctrine is introduced asap.

  186. Gab says:

    So, in reality, Swan’s the thug.

  187. JamesK says:

    Well done Greg Sheridan.

    He is an honourable man.

    It won’t help his standing as journalist fair to both major parties which I’ve often suspected he cultivated oftentimes at the expense of the truth.

    Marr is a low-life

  188. Dan says:

    EMMA ALBERICI: Do you expect some form of retaliation now from the Federal Government? I mean, there’ve already been some threats from the Federal Treasurer Wayne Swan that he’d attempt to claw back some infrastructure grants slated for Queensland, for instance.

    CAMPBELL NEWMAN: I know the Treasurer, Tim Nicholls, will be delighted to go out, and I certainly would, to campaign in the Federal electorate of Lilley. We’ll tell Mr Swan’s electors about any such move. We’ll tell them how he has been a bad treasurer for Queenslanders. That he’s not funded infrastructure in this state.

    Time and time again he has put the interests of other parts of Australia ahead of his home state. We’re quite happy to tell people on a Saturday morning, all parts of the Lilley electorate. So if he wants to do that, well, he does that at his own peril.

    By the same token as well, we will be happy to campaign for the way that Kevin Rudd has failed to stand up for Queensland.

    It was a great disappointment to all of us that we had a prime minister and a treasurer from Queensland a few years ago, and both of them have never, ever stood up for Queensland’s interests in the Federal government, and particularly to do with budget matters.

    Newman is a legend

  189. kae says:

    brc 11:59

    Beattie’s burger is being ditched by the Newman government. To save money the burger will gradually be replaced by the old coat of arms.

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