The serpent’s head: getting closer to Julia’s cliff

The Australian has a story about the so-far missing letter to WA. h/t pete m in the Forum.

The revelation, contained in a document released today after 17 years, comes after days of stonewalling by the Prime Minister, including in parliament, on the question of whether she had personally vouched for the Australian Workers Union Workplace Reform Association.

The document, a record of interview between Ms Gillard and her law firm, Slater & Gordon, in September 1995, reveals the association was initially regarded as ineligible because of its “trade union” status.

Ms Gillard overcame the obstacle by writing to the Commissioner for Corporate Affairs in Western Australia in 1992 and arguing that the decision to bar it should be reversed.

Ms Gillard also wrote the association’s rules, which emphasised worker safety but made no mention of its true purpose of funding the elections of union officials.

The document reveals she “cut and pasted” some of the rules from her earlier personal work incorporating the controversial Socialist Forum, which she helped found at Melbourne University in the 1980s.

Now what?

Remember that this scandal is just the tip of the iceberg of corruption which has eaten the heart out of the trade union movement and the ALP. This has gone on over many years, with the assistance of the progressive chattering classes and the MSM, most notably the tapayer funded ABC (news and current affairs especially). Taking up the comment that they didn’t really help deliberately, that they just ignored or could not see what was happening, that is a fair call to some extent. But the whole point of being an educated person is to try to understand what is happening in the world of ideas and in public affairs, and to communicate that to students and the interested public. Our academics and intellectuals have largely failed in that responsibility.

The media have a similar mission, at a lower intellectual level, apart from those who have higher education (which is most of them these days). Clearly the expansion of higher education has lowered rather than lifted the standards of the MSM and the quality of public debate. Work that out.

Nothing is gained simply by cutting off the head of the serpent, the whole infrastructure of ideas, groups and influential players has to be revealed and subjected to scrutiny in the light of day.

Homeward bound. This evening I take to the air from LA and return to reactivate the Lower Neutral Bay faction on Friday morning. You guys make sure nothing bad happens in the meantime!

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651 Responses to The serpent’s head: getting closer to Julia’s cliff

  1. Oblique123

    Be prepared for an event-free recess where the leftards will bury the AWU scandal once and for all. A country gets the government it deserves. That I am disappointed in our Parliament and its processes is the understatement if the year.

  2. Tom

    She is just flat out stonewalling. As in refusing to answer any question to avoid misleading the House.

  3. val majkus

    abbott ‘will you open a royal commissioner as called for by Cambridge’
    speaker not going to bring her back to any sort of answer

  4. Oblique123

    Anyone counting how many times she’s said “sleaze & smear”?

  5. Brian of Moorabbin

    “Will the Prime Weasel support a judicial inquiry?”

    “AbbottAbbottAbbottAbbott 15 minutes this 15 minutes that 15 minutes something else..”

    Never once did she speak to the substance of the question, despite the Speaker TWICE admonishing her to ‘return to the question’..

    Yet m0nty, SfB (whenever his wife lets him back on the computer for today), SteveC, et al of the ALP Apologista Brigade that infest this blog will loudly applaud the non-answer as ‘brave’, ‘fiery’, etc..

    A fucking disgrace.

  6. brc

    >Of course. Wouldn’t want to interrupt their three-month Christmas break. Thanks Rabz.

    Not with all those ‘study tours’ that are about to start taking place.

  7. DaveF

    ‘Many Australians need mental health support sometime in their life’

    Indeed, PM, indeed.

  8. Carpe Jugulum

    DaveF was counting (i gave up), but it is near 25 for each.

  9. Carpe Jugulum

    Oh great the slapper has to politicise Punters resignation, and the speaker is a buffoon.

  10. Brian of Moorabbin

    And look at the sudden change to ‘normality’ from the harpy-like screechy fishwife now that QT has ended…

  11. candy

    DaveF

    It’s not too much cleavage but the sloppy top that doesn’t give her good structure and support.

  12. DaveF

    Wayne Swan threw in a couple of ‘smears’ but I didn’t count them.

  13. Carpe Jugulum

    Smear 21

    Sleaze 20

    The slapper was in hyperbowl overdrive.

  14. Oblique123

    What about “negativity”?

  15. Oblique123

    What about “negativity”?

  16. Tiny Dancer

    Swanny is like those wind up dolls who just say one thing over and over and over

  17. Carpe Jugulum

    It’s not too much cleavage but the sloppy top that doesn’t give her good structure and support.

    I need eye bleach

  18. Viva

    As I said before – they can only hang her with documentary evidence. She will always get round simple questions. Too bad the documentary evidence is soooo sloooow in coming.

  19. Carpe Jugulum

    And thats all for QT this year folks. 🙂

  20. Oblique123

    On my 4th drink .. Can’t handle watching the slapper (love that!) continuing to lie fully sober

  21. Carpe Jugulum

    What about “negativity”?

    I’d be curious to know what next years buzzword from TLS & friends will be.

  22. Oblique123

    Saved by Ricky Ponting

  23. Nic

    The look on Gillard’s face when Morrison rose to speak and thus steal her thunder somewhat, was priceless.

  24. DaveF

    Final Official Tally for J Gillard PM Question Time 29 November 2012.

    Smear 21

    Sleaze 20

    Misogyny 0

  25. Leigh Lowe

    I’ll be disappointed if she didn’t channel Tricky Dicky and say ……
    “I am not a crook

  26. DaveF

    ‘mud bucket’ would have been up there with ‘negativity’

    Looks like I was closer Carpe. I win a free subscription to the Catallaxy Files website.

    Yay me.

  27. Carpe Jugulum

    Final Official Tally for J Gillard PM Question Time 29 November 2012.

    Smear 21

    Sleaze 20

    Misogyny 0

    That is a lot of dribbling from one slapper.

  28. Tom

    Stuff it. I’m going to have a nip of bourbon every time Anna Burke rolls her eyes.

    The only firewater hooch I can stomach (once every three years or so) is Chivas Regal. Hello to all the Bundy drinkers in Queensland (once every three months or so).

  29. DaveF

    Interesting input on the PMs clothing choices. Thanks ladies.

  30. Carpe Jugulum

    Yay me.

    I need to lift my game *sigh*

  31. Oblique123

    Thank god it’s over! Would’ve loved to see the slapper (lol) go down .. But she lives to fight and hyperbowl away until the election.

  32. delfino

    Damn, dont know what happens up here on ABC in Cairns. After reading your comments here, couldnt help myself ran downstairs to watch QT 2 pm our time, all I got was Carr being questioned by Senator Helen Kroger re the Palestinian vote. So obviously not showing final QT time up here. Have to content myself with your wonderful observations, and no excuse for a champagne until 5.00pm Sydney time.

  33. brc

    Remember this time last year they were all high-fiving each other about the installation of Peter Slipper as speaker.

    This time they can’t even reach for a ‘success’ like that.

    Worst Government Ever from Most Hopeless Political Party.

  34. mareeS

    The spouse said, “Turn it off, I don’t want to hear it,” and I said “No way, this is the Prime Minister who is a disgrace to Australia and you need to hear every word she says.” Every word out of her mouth condemns her, the lying Welsh witch that she is.

    I would neck myself if I was her, but the difference is, I have ethics and a conscience.

  35. DaveF

    After enduring that I was planning an arvo swim but the damn beach is closed with the red algal bloom.

    Great.

  36. Oblique123

    How does she get away with it? ~~frustrating ~~

  37. Gab

    Abbott giving a superb speech now on policy.

  38. DaveF

    I reckon the Labor hard heads will get together over the summer break and make a decision on whether this can go on.

    Tragically given the lack of documents I think it may be running on fumes.

    Hopefully the police will do their job.

  39. thefrollickingmole

    I watched a bit of it, piss poor….

    Abbott was calm and measured, Gillard was a spastic fruit bat in rut…

    Trying to parse the difference between misleading the WA government over the incorporation of the slush fund with “it wasnt a union” was a low point for me.

  40. Leigh Lowe

    Puh-lease ….. It is not “negativity” …… It is “negadividy”

  41. Oblique123

    What’s that dick doing? Preaching to no one … Embarrassing ..

  42. DaveF

    Geeze compare Abbott’s speech to this Labor guy currently speaking. He’s relentlessly insulting.

    Oh, and wrong.

    They really are a mean spirited bunch.

  43. Tal

    Poor old Tim,he’s gunna cop it tonight best stay in the shed mate

  44. brc

    She gets away with it because, as far as she, and all her mates and fellow travellers are concerned, it wouldn’t matter if she had her mits elbow deep in the till, caught on camera and did a signed confession. None of that would matter as long as those dreaded conservatives are prevented from shutting down the ‘raid the tax pile’ party. The only thing they are interested in is keeping that party going as long as possible. How the PM is perceived, the reputation of the government, parliament or the country is mere incidentals.

    They will only give up when turfed out, and that’s usually when the lies cannot possibly be believed any longer. And even then, a startling 25% of the population will still happily accept the lies, and will praise whatever leader is put in place after the last liar has been removed. They will barely blink an eyelid, and move allegiance with lips firmly attached to the bottom end of the new messiah.

  45. rafiki

    Re the police, Gillard is clearly concerned about what Blewitt told them. If Blewitt was very clear that she was not present when he signed, (even leaving aside no independent evidence to indicate her and his whereabouts) that may be enough to warrant laying a charge. Evidence about Blewitt’s lack of credibility should not be relevant to a charge, given that it is not taken into account by a magistrate deciding whether there is a prima facie case (the theory being that this a matter for the trial).

    On a trial, Blewitt’s cred can be attacked, but this will leave Gillard open to an attack too. A point here is that while anything Gillard said in parliament cannot be adduced for any purpose, Gillard put plenty on the public record in pressers, and there might be plenty here for a cred attack. I wonder if her legal advisers thought this through?

    At the very least, the chances of a police interview with Gillard must be good.

  46. twostix

    Misogyny 0

    So in the last two weeks Julie Bishop single handedly has utterly and totally smashed then ground into dust under her foot the grand ALP Abbott Mysogynist Strategy that Gillard, Roxon, Plibersek and Wong went all in on as directed by John Mcternan.

    Fine form Bishop, bloody fine form – the star of the hour.

  47. mareeS

    The thing that really gets me: it’s all about her, and her political survival.

    And for the others around her, it’s all about their own political survival.

    She doesn’t give a flying fuck about the betterment and future of the nation of Australia or it’s citizens and children.

    She will tell any lie, dig her fingernails into any piece of the country, (widows and orphans, anyone?) in order to save her skin.

    I am in utter contempt of her.

    Other societies have resorted to more terminal solutions than elections, but I am hoping we will solve this by civilised means in 2013.

  48. brc

    >Fine form Bishop, bloody fine form – the star of the hour.

    If you look at the lefty ABC / SMH comments pages, they are absolutely screeching for her to resign, for Tony Abbot to dump her, for whatever it was related to CSR that she did as a lawyer.

    On the screech-o-meter measure alone, the Bishop Bomber has got the sights right over the munitions factory.

  49. twostix

    Hopefully the police will do their job.

    That reminds me, hows the Craig Thompson investigation going?

    Oh, and about that race riot that Gillards office started for political gain.

    As if they’re ever going to go after Gillard.

  50. Tom

    She doesn’t give a flying fuck about the betterment and future of the nation of Australia or it’s citizens and children.

    In the past year, that has become an established scientific fact and the whole country now knows it. Spin your way out of that, Jock McSporran.

  51. rafiki

    Re the race affray (for it was at least that offence) it was the AFP who failed to act, a police force that operates in Labor controlled territory (Cth and ACT). It’s the Vic police chasing up Thompson and now Gillard. We should be thankful they do not go off half-cocked. Questions can be asked if they don’t seek to question Gillard, directly or through lawyers.

  52. Oblique123

    Gawd .. Slapper is now sniffing back tears in her valedictory. Dr Jekyll & Ms Hyde. She is insufferable but because our Parliamentary system is broken she continues with impunity to bring this country into disrepute. Until the Speaker can enforce the rules of the House, and make her answer questions, she will continue to in her bogan shrill ways. This corrupt harridan is a fucking disgrace and an embarrassment to our country.

  53. DaveF

    Craig Thompson must be charged soon.

    That’ll bring down the government when he’s convicted.

  54. Leigh Lowe

    It looks like Julie Bishop has a change of address.
    She appears to have taken up residence in the Crayfish’s frontal lobe.

  55. Tom

    Abu, the empty-headed zombie you’re quoting is a former editor of The Drum and has never had an original thought in his life. He also is and was a crap journalist specialising in whimsy.

  56. brc

    Abu I demand an apology for making me read a paragraph of Jonathan Green, and then I poured salt into my wounds by reading some of the comments.

    I don’t think the ABC commenting collective has ever had an original thought outside of the bounds of the Talking Points Memo.

  57. DaveF

    Nice work by Johnathon Green. Sounds like he has been vociferous at ABC editorial meetings trying to shut down their reportage of the scandal.

  58. Rabz

    Other societies have resorted to more terminal solutions than elections, but I am hoping we will solve this by civilised means in 2013.

    I’d be perfectly happy for the morons to announce a convenient national emergency that just so happens to necessitate a reason for them to suspend democracy.

    No need to elaborate on my reasons for being so happy at them resorting to this course of action.

  59. rafiki

    Leigh: she is called the crayfish (or per Prof Bunyip, the yabbie) because she has meat in the tail and shit in the head. “in the Crayfish’s frontal lobe” would not a nice place to be.

  60. Leigh Lowe

    What a surprise Abu!
    Jonathan Green calls “nothing to see here” about Gillard.
    That fucking turd was on ABC radio last month pontificating that the possibility that Abbott may have assaulted a piece of Gyprock 35 years ago was “relevant today” because “it goes to his character and …. wait for it …….. his problem with women”

    McTurdman would have been so proud that the talking points were repeated verbatim.

  61. Rabz

    That’ll bring down the government when he’s convicted.

    There is no way on this earth he will be convicted of anything during the term of this gubberment.

  62. Huckleberry Chunkwot

    Speaking of talking points, where are our resident wrongologists, Steve(x2) and m0nster et al?
    Has SfB not written and approved of today’s talking points yet?

  63. Splatacrobat

    I don’t think the ABC commenting collective has ever had an original thought outside of the bounds of the Talking Points Memo.

    I read through a smattering of comments and think there were a fair few who think this affair still stinks. It’s not dead by a long chalk and now we have the whole summer to enjoy the rest of this saga to surface like a boil overdue for lancing.

  64. Tom

    As Bolt points out, Abbott, the government-killer, is having a blinder:

    Abbott accused Gillard in Parliament of having been a “dodgy lawyer” and “unstrustworthy prime minister”. He said she had acted as a solicitor in a way that was “unethical” and “possibly unlawful” in registering a slush fund for deceptive purposes

    So now he’s backed the government into a corner where its prime minister is exposed as a crook, but the ALP can’t execute her because they already executed the alternative. This is not just schadenfreude, but a thing of beauty.

  65. C.L.

    A shell-shocked Tony Wright in the SMH loses the plot completely.

  66. mareeS

    A person of my acquaintance beieves assassination is an electoral choice, and that really worries me about where we have gotten to in the politics of Australia if a citizen of this nation can express that view.

    It makes me wonder where things will go with religion, or even road rage.

    This divisive stuff has to end, and it’s up to the people who started it: Wayne Swan, Julia Gillard, John McTernan, the Australia Day race riot boy, and every other idiot who thought it was a political score point for people to hate and resent one another in this nation.

  67. Carpe Jugulum

    This is not just schadenfreude

    This is a schaedenboner.

  68. Gab

    Huck, SFB hasn’t been seen all day. This could be serious.

  69. 2dogs

    Regarding Gillard’s defamation lawsuit threats to media organisations over this, I think they should invoke sect 14(3) of the defamation act, which states:

    If an aggrieved person gives the publisher a concerns notice, but fails to particularise the imputations of concern adequately, the publisher may give the aggrieved person a written notice (a “further particulars notice” ) requesting the aggrieved person to provide reasonable further particulars about the imputations of concern as specified in the further particulars notice.

    The requested particulars should be a verbatim reprint of Julie B’s questions.

  70. val majkus

    Has anyone been able to locate this elusive unredacted portion of the exit interview
    Not in the Oz or SMH

  71. Leigh Lowe

    Rafiki …. Yes …. The crustacean analogy should be attributed to Bunyip .
    The full analogy is that, the reason she is called Crayfish is …….
    “She is as red as they come, all the meat is in the tail, the head is full of shit and she squeals when placed in hot water

  72. Rabz

    but the ALP can’t execute her …

    … until Caucus next convenes.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s paid a visit by a few ol’ noted laybore donkeys over the next few months advising her to fall on the sword.

    I’m predicting an (Abbott induced) illness – it’s hardly as if she can resign to spend more time with da family, is it?

  73. Gab

    Anyone know when these “valedictory” speeches are supposed to occur?

  74. Rabz

    SFB hasn’t been seen all day. This could be serious.

    A fatal accident?

    🙂

  75. Brian of Moorabbin

    Huck, SFB hasn’t been seen all day. This could be serious.

    HE’s been grounded by his wife.

    No computer access for 24 hours because of his sexit and misogynistic comments yesterday….

    We should all send flowers to Mrs SfB.

  76. val majkus

    found it
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/investigations/young-gillard-answers-the-boss/story-fng5kxvh-1226526112699
    PETER GORDON: All right, well, let’s talk about the AWU Workplace Reform Association Account. That account, as you’ve said, is an account which was the account belonging to an incorporated association by the same name which was incorporated by Slater & Gordon at (Bruce) Wilson’s, on Wilson’s instructions following your advice to him which you described earlier.

    JULIA GILLARD: That’s right.

    PG: And that happened in or about mid-1992.

    JG: That’s right.

    PG: And last Monday I think you gave to Paul Mulvaney a follow-up which demonstrates that Slater & Gordon had drafted model rules for, for that, had submitted those rules to the relevant Western Australian government authority, that there’d been a letter from the authority suggesting that it might be a trade union and therefore ineligible for incorporation under that legislation, and that we had prepared a response submitted on Wilson’s instructions to that authority suggesting that in fact it wasn’t a trade union and arguing the case for its incorporation. My recollection is that all of that happened in or about mid-1992. Is that right?

    JG: I wouldn’t want to be held to the dates without looking at the file, but whatever the dates the file shows are the right dates, so . . .

    PG: Yes. And to the extent that work was done on that file in relation to that it was done by you?

    JG: That’s right.

    PG: And did you get advice from anyone else in the firm in relation to any of those matters?

    JG: No I didn’t.

    PG: Did Tony Lang have anything to do with the model rules or the drafting of them?

    JG: No, I obtained, I had just in my own personal precedent file a set of rules for Socialist Forum which is an incorporated association in which I’m personally involved. Tony Lang and I drew those rules some years ago. Tony more than me. And I’ve just kept them hanging around as something I cut and paste from for drafting purposes, and I obtained, I don’t quite recall how now but I obtained the model rules under the WA act and I must have done the drafting just relying on those two sources. I don’t have any recollection of sitting down with Tony or any other practitioner and talking through the draft of the rules.

    PG: Do you recall whether when it was necessary to argue the case with the, with the relevant Western Australian authority, whether you consulted anyone else in the firm as to what would or would not get, become acceptable or appropriate?

    JG: I once again don’t recall talking to anybody else in the firm about it.

    PG: Beyond that, and it seems from the file that after that letter it was successfully accepted as an incorporated association and duly was created and presumably accounts were set up. I should ask did we have anything to do with the setting up of the accounts or was that done by the officers of the incorporated association?

    JG: Slater & Gordon didn’t have anything, did not have anything to do with setting up bank accounts for that association. We attended to the incorporation.

    PG: Can I ask you then following the last thing that we did to setting up the incorporation, which appears from the file to be the letter arguing that it ought to be not construed as a trade union, did you have anything personally to do with that incorporated association afterwards?

    JG: No I did not.

    PG: Right, to the best of your knowledge did anyone at Slater & Gordon?

    JG: To my knowledge no one at Slater & Gordon had anything to do with it post that time.

  77. Brian of Moorabbin

    Gab, valedictory messages started at about 4.00pm and are finished (at least that’s the time I was listening to them on ABC News Radio while picking up my young bloke from school).

    Gillard was choked with tears as she spoke about “those we have lost this year and the support and sympathy we received for our loss”…

    Yes, she really did use the royal plural to refer to the loss of her father…

  78. Huckleberry Chunkwot

    Does anyone believe the theory that the Libs either have in their possession or have been promised that a copy of the Yabby’s letter to the WA Commissioner will be made available to them?

    Gillard and her supporters are now of the belief that they have stared down this issue and now that Parliament has finished for the year, without the benefit of privilege the Opposition will have to let sleeping dogs lie.
    The theory that has been put to me is that they have let the Yabby build her wall today in the belief that the Libs had put all of their strategy into the previously redacted parts of the exit interview being made public and trying to draw the Yabby into an admission in Parliament, all the while knowing that they have the so called “smoking gun”.
    The benefit of not tabling the letter is that they can let this fester for as long as needed before lancing the boil. In other words, gauge public sentiment after the weeks proceedings and if it looks like the stench is overpowering her, let it drag on until it has the desired effect and if it doesn’t, bring out the evidence to finish it for once and all.
    Thoughts?

  79. Carpe Jugulum

    Does anyone believe the theory that the Libs either have in their possession or have been promised that a copy of the Yabby’s letter to the WA Commissioner will be made available to them?

    I think they have something, Peta Credlin was rushing back & forth feeding Julia Bishop info during QT.

  80. Leigh Lowe

    …. Tony Wright in the SMH …

    .

    Phut!
    SMH?
    Seriously, you’ve got a better chance of someone reading your stuff if you right it on the back of the shithouse door of the BP Roadhouse in Eucla on the Nullarbor.
    I refuse to get excited about what is printed in Fairfax or said on the ABC, except in the latter case I am frickin’ pay ing for it.
    Their ever diminishing audiences only ever vote Greens/ALP.
    Tony Wright’s pom-pom girl act will not swing one vote.

  81. Leigh Lowe

    I’m predicting an (Abbott induced) illness –

    Tabz …. I am tipping Timmy’s bedsores will flare up over summer after all the couch-work he has been doing.
    The Crayfish will have to retire to become full-time carer.

  82. Cold-Hands

    5.05pm: Mr Abbott has released the terms of reference for the judicial inquiry he wants on slush-gate.
    The parameters of the inquiry are as follows:
    An independent inquiry to inquire into and report on:
    The incorporation of the Australian Workers’ Union Workplace Reform Association Inc. (“the Association”) in 1992, and in particular whether misleading statements were made to the Corporate Affairs Commission of Western Australia in relation to the constitution, objects and purposes of the Association.
    The conduct and activities of the Association and of its officers.
    The operation of all bank accounts held in the name of the Association or operated on behalf of the Association or its office bearers, and in particular the payment from such bank accounts of monies for unlawful or improper purposes and the subsequent use of such monies.
    The circumstances surrounding the purchase of the property at 1/85 Kerr Street, Fitzroy, Victoria, in 1993 and in particular the financing of the transaction.
    The preparation, execution and use of a Power of Attorney granted by Ralph Blewitt to Bruce Wilson.
    The source of monies used to finance renovations to the property at 36 St Phillips Street, Abbotsford, Victoria, in 1994 and 1995.
    The sale of the property at 1/85 Kerr Street, Fitzroy in February 1996, and the application of the proceeds of that sale.
    Any other matters incidental to these terms of reference.

    He just happened to have them up his sleeve. Good to see that the Coalition was not caught out by Gillard’s attempted ambush.

  83. Leigh Lowe

    “those we have lost this year”

    Probably just as well Crayfish senior passed on.
    Imagine having to witness her screeching banshee act.
    It would enough to make him [deleted] of [deleted].

  84. Huckleberry Chunkwot

    Huck, SFB hasn’t been seen all day. This could be serious.

    Seriously good you mean?
    I think that it has been fantastic to be able to read threads that have followed a fairly logical path without constant attempts to divert the conversations into cul-de-sacs of irrelevance.
    Long may it continue.

  85. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Speaking of leftoid idiots, where did the Pretentious Sockpuppet of Ruritania™ go?

  86. Helen Armstrong

    They have all gorne to run yabby’s bath, etc.

  87. brc

    That transcript nails so many lies.

    1. Typist for the socialist forum which no longer involved
    2. I didn’t incorporate the association -> ‘We attended to the incorporation’.
    3. I was acting on the advice of the AWU, through it’s officers -> I sent the WA Corporate Affairs an explanation how it wasn’t the trade union. Ergo, you weren’t working for the AWU, because you said it wasn’t a trade union, which the AWU clearly is.

    It really would make very depressing reading for those shrieking ‘this is all a beat-up!’. It really does look very bad indeed. Evasive behaviour, hiding things from her managers, doing it all off the books. It all looks like the entire thing was never meant to be discovered, and layers of plausible deniability were thought of before a pen was lifted.

  88. C.L.

    You know Abbott scored a KO today by the number of journalists writing up the day’s proceedings as “Gillard and Abbott go at it – nobody emerges on top” etc.

    That’s journalist code for: Abbott won.

  89. Token

    Huck, SFB hasn’t been seen all day. This could be serious.

    Come on Gab, the man is busy.

    You can bet the Liars Party has seen how effectively Steve Liar QC has defused the whole “non-issue” at the Cat and has called him into HQ to dispense one of his gold-standard legal opinions.

  90. C.L.

    A person of my acquaintance beieves assassination is an electoral choice, and that really worries me about where we have gotten to in the politics of Australia if a citizen of this nation can express that view.

    Your acquaintance needs to see a medical specialist or be referred to the police.

  91. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Hey! Found a picture of the Pretentious Sockpuppet of Ruritania™ in casual Ruritanian uniform!

    This is the one for Ruritanian sockpuppet males, the female one is much more girly

  92. Helen Armstrong

    the female one is much more girly

    How come Freedom Star has to fight in high heels? I demand flat heel equality, signed Emily list.

  93. Token

    He just happened to have them up his sleeve. Good to see that the Coalition was not caught out by Gillard’s attempted ambush.

    I agree CL, when the Stenographers score it as a draw or fall back to a pox on both their houses you know that Abbott hit it out of the park.

  94. Token

    I’m predicting an (Abbott induced) illness – it’s hardly as if she can resign to spend more time with da family, is it?

    Stillman is going to have to move out to the shed permanently. I’m sure the dog will volunteer to join him.

  95. brc

    Does anyone believe the theory that the Libs either have in their possession or have been promised that a copy of the Yabby’s letter to the WA Commissioner will be made available to them?

    Seems implausible to me that they have the letter. Or maybe they do, and it isn’t that dynamite- just more legalese.

    But anything is possible. It’s clear that Nick S-B knew this was going to fester and explode one day, which is why he filed the relevant notes.

    Of course, if you listen to the carping apologists, this is all a liberal dirt file. It hasn’t actually entered their heads that it is trade union people doing all the leaking. The libs don’t have a single thing that wasn’t given to them by someone in the ALP or AWU or S&G.

    It’s their refusal to clean up their own mess that has driven the ALP types to seek other ways of redress. And nobody hates like a unionist.

  96. Old Fridgie

    5.05pm: Mr Abbott has released the terms of reference for the judicial inquiry he wants on slush-gate.
    The parameters of the inquiry are as follows:
    An independent inquiry to inquire into and report on:
    The incorporation of the Australian Workers’ Union Workplace Reform Association Inc. (“the Association”) in 1992, and in particular whether misleading statements were made to the Corporate Affairs Commission of Western Australia in relation to the constitution, objects and purposes of the Association.
    The conduct and activities of the Association and of its officers.
    The operation of all bank accounts held in the name of the Association or operated on behalf of the Association or its office bearers, and in particular the payment from such bank accounts of monies for unlawful or improper purposes and the subsequent use of such monies.
    The circumstances surrounding the purchase of the property at 1/85 Kerr Street, Fitzroy, Victoria, in 1993 and in particular the financing of the transaction.
    The preparation, execution and use of a Power of Attorney granted by Ralph Blewitt to Bruce Wilson.
    The source of monies used to finance renovations to the property at 36 St Phillips Street, Abbotsford, Victoria, in 1994 and 1995.
    The sale of the property at 1/85 Kerr Street, Fitzroy in February 1996, and the application of the proceeds of that sale.
    Any other matters incidental to these terms of reference.

    He just happened to have them up his sleeve. Good to see that the Coalition was not caught out by Gillard’s attempted ambush.

    What’s the odds of the Slapper saying yes to a judicial inquiry – of course headed up by Justice Murphy…

  97. Leigh Lowe

    What’s the odds of the Slapper saying yes to a judicial inquiry – of course headed up by Justice Murphy…

    Murphy?
    Which Murphy?
    “my little mate” Lionel?
    “Slushy’s best mate” Bernard?
    “Matty Newton’s apologist” Chris?

    Eddie Murphy would be a better bet.

  98. .

    They have all gorne to run yabby’s bath, etc.

    Let’s hope it is a very hot bath with some salt added and a rub down in mornay sauce.

  99. Honesty

    The truth just is, lies have to be made up! No wonder yabbie is wooden.

  100. mareeS

    CL, I have told him to see his doctor. I want nothing to do with those views, but they’re out there, unfortunately.

  101. Brian of Moorabbin

    Mk50

    So many memories you bring up with that link. Spent many an hour fighting crime with some good friends in Paragon City over the last 7 years.

    Saddens me that the game officially closes with all servers switched off at midnight 30th US PST (6pm Saturday December 1 AEST).

  102. Timmy Couch-Potato

    They have all gorne to run yabby’s bath, etc.

    No matter how much Avon Lily-of-the-Valley bubble bath and Phenyle I poor in, I just can’t get rid of the stench.
    Any ideas??

  103. Leigh Lowe

    Good to see Abbott has floated the enquiry idea.
    Although I wish he had thrown the HSU in for good measure.
    Would have linked the Crayfish to Thommo once again.

  104. val majkus

    the other portion of the exit transcript which was printed in the Oz on 22/8
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/what-julia-told-her-firm/story-e6frg6z6-1226455281078

    JG: Yes, he has. Bruce was acting secretary of the Victorian branch of the AWU so his substantive position was as secretary of the Western Australian branch. At some point, and I must admit I don’t recall when, but some point past the transition to Victoria, he became permanently appointed as Victorian secretary of the AWU. Under the AWU’s rules it’s not possible to hold two elected positions, so Ralph became the Western Australian secretary of the AWU so, at Bruce’s behest if you like, he filled . . .

    (Half a page redacted.)

    It’s, it’s common practice, indeed every union has what it refers to as a re-election fund, slush fund, whatever, which is the funds that the leadership team, into which the leadership team puts money so that they can finance their next election campaign. It is not proper to use union resources for election campaigns so you need to finance them yourself. Some of them, you know, they can cost $10,000, $20,000 — they’re not cheap. So the usual mechanism people use to amass that amount of money is that they require the officials who ran on their ticket to enter payroll deduction schemes where money each week or fortnight goes from their pay into a bank account which is used for re-election purposes from time to time. They also have different fundraisers, dinners and raffles and so on to amass the necessary amount of money to mount their re-election campaign.

    (Several lines redacted.)

    The thinking behind the forming of incorporated associations is that it had been our experience that if you did it in a less formal way, you just had someone, say Fred Bloggs, say, oh look, I’ll just open a bank account and everybody can put the money into there, the problem developed that when the leadership team fractured, as relatively commonly happens, you got into a very difficult dispute about who was the owner of the monies in the bank account, so it was better to have an incorporated association, a legal entity, into which people could participate as members, that was the holder of the account.

    (Two and a half pages redacted.)

    I suspect the portion of the interview released today then starts

    now reading the transcript and looking at the App for Incorporation of AWUWRA http://michaelsmithnews.typepad.com/files/_92_04_22—application-for-incorporation—from-ic4.pdf
    the name of the association is filled out in Gillard’s handwriting (Wilson talked about this in that 7.30 interview)
    but note the objects ‘formed for the purpose of development of changes to work to achieve safe workplaces’
    and considered eligible to be incorporated
    and note no 3 not formed for the purpose of trading or securing a pecuniary profit to the members

    So taking all the circumstances I would say the application is misleading or deceptive and was intended to be so as a ‘slush fund’ would not have been eligible for registration

  105. val majkus

    I suspect the missing letter (but this is only speculation) covered more ground than just assuring the WA Corp Aff Comm that this was ‘not a union’

  106. Rousie

    The Smearer is at a knees up toasting the ‘Year of decision and delivery’

  107. C.L.

    A video metaphor for today…

    Gillard thought she’d defused the bomb, thought she was counter-attacking and then…

    LOOK AT ABBOTT! LOOK AT ABBOTT!

  108. Cold-Hands

    It’s clear that Nick S-B knew this was going to fester and explode one day, which is why he filed the relevant notes.

    As a partner of S&G, he knew he could cop it in the neck (and hip pocket) if it all blew up and the AWU came looking for compensation. It’s a shame he didn’t keep a copy of the recording as well. Lucky for the Red Dalek that video wasn’t routine then.

    What’s the odds of the Slapper saying yes to a judicial inquiry – of course headed up by Justice Murphy…

    Betcha he’s breathing a sigh of relief that he’s been further exonerated by the exit interview transcript- not that it clears him of involvement, as the exit interview was not under oath.

  109. Leigh Lowe

    I suspect the missing letter (but this is only speculation) covered more ground than just assuring the WA Corp Aff Comm that this was ‘not a union’

    Exactly.
    It would have been full of flowery language about the high ideals of the association and effusive pen-pictures of Bruce and the Bagman.
    Probably not much legally in that, but this has gone past legal hair-splitting.
    This is about her credibility (such as it is).
    If the document surfaces and she is shown to be pumping up Bruce’s tyres would not be a good look for the Crayfish.

  110. SteveC

    Does anyone believe the theory that the Libs either have in their possession or have been promised that a copy of the Yabby’s letter to the WA Commissioner will be made available to them?

    No. What a fizzer.

  111. Skuter

    My my my, our resident unethicists, the Steves and m0nty have been quiet today. It seems they have been overrun by a giant herd of crickets…chirp, chirp, chirp…

    Seriously what sort of nation do we live in, where the greatest redeeming feature of our PM is that she is not a convicted crim?

  112. Brian of Moorabbin

    Does anyone believe the theory that the Libs either have in their possession or have been promised that a copy of the Yabby’s letter to the WA Commissioner will be made available to them?

    No. What a fizzer. SteveC – 29 Nov 12 at 6:49 pm

    Colour me surprised.

  113. Skuter

    Complete fizzer, SteveC. The public are all over the PM and her tactics…like m0nty on a cupcake or SfB on a blow up doll…

  114. Skuter

    Sinc, what’s the deal with the moderation? Stole my thunder!

  115. Tracey

    Albanese looked pretty rattled today I thought. And that dishevelled eye-rolling lunatic in the Speaker’s chair? Holy shit. Scary.

  116. Tom

    Like Monty, Dogshit’s Best Friend considers this corrupt spendthrift rabble is one of the best things that has ever happened to Australia – especially its embrace of the evidence-free post-modern Green science.

  117. Alfonso

    Why is it assumed Nick S-B, a partner with access in simpler times, does not have the full unedited exit transcript or copy of the tape?

    He seems a cautious, prescient operator not given to “she’ll be right” to predict a problem 17 year out.

    Without wishing too much drama on him, watch your back matey.

  118. val majkus

    oh I suspect Nick S-B does have the full unedited exit transcript
    whether or not he has a copy of the ‘letter of comfort’

  119. Cold-Hands

    He’s almost certainly got the full letter- all the missing bits have been “redacted” to avoid infringing on privilege. However, it looks as though he doesn’t have the audio nor a copy of the letter to the WA authority.

  120. jumpnmcar

    Photo of the day. Winsor and Shagger doing the ” $ale of the Century ” pose as Barney enters.

  121. DaveF

    Nick S-B is forced to redact the client confidential stuff, that’s why there is all the redaction going on.

    Gillard can’t waive it, of course, only the client.

    I imagine the police can’t access it either. We could ask Bruce I suppose.

  122. DaveF

    Photo of the day. Winsor and Shagger doing the ” $ale of the Century ” pose as Barney enters.

    Yes, the comments about her pins are spot on…

  123. jumpnmcar

    Winsor and Shagger doing the ” $ale of the Century ” pose as Barney enters.

    When i say “Barney” i mean GILLARD

  124. m0nty

    I guess Abbott’s attempt to project a positive vibe was never going to last very long. Today it was all dirt. And none of it stuck, as usual. Complete waste of time and effort by the Libs in general.

    If Gillard takes a lead in the next round of polls, which is very much on the cards given the way they have been going in the second half of the year, Abbott will come under extreme pressure for his leadership, not to mention Bishop for her failure to land a punch as well.

    Hockey has been conspicuous by his absence in proceedings this week. He is positioning himself nicely for a spill.

    All in all it’s looking very good for Gillard going into the holidays, even better than it was this time last year with the Slipper defection.

  125. Tom

    Back to sleep, Monty. You’re still dreaming.

  126. Alfonso

    Nick SB can leak what he likes anonymously. Clean docs sent snail mail to multiple blog and media outlets….as long as he keeps the envelope sans DNA.

    Call it a public service….they can’t publish but it ends up on a US server who can…. and Australian “authorities” can go screw themselves.

    Welcome to the internet Steven.

  127. jumpnmcar

    Today it was all dirt.

    No M0nty, it was smear sleaze an mud buckets.
    The vast majority of negativity this week was from labor.
    The punters have noticed.

  128. DaveF

    Thanks for straightening that up for me m0nty.

  129. m0nty

    The punters have noticed.

    Given that the punters have so far punished Abbott and not Gillard on this issue for many consecutive polls, you’re being rather courageous in that assertion, jumpnmcar.

  130. Helen Armstrong

    Yes, the comments about her pins are spot on…

    I read Pickering in the last couple of days that she wore a 30K Chanel suit to meet Barry the other day. Hope it was worth it for her. There was a picture of Tim looking very left out as she and Bumma traded lascivious smiles.

  131. jumpnmcar

    Your a betting man M0nty right?
    What do the betting markets say?
    That’s what i mean when i say ” punter “.

  132. candy

    Tony Abbott got his act together better today, more like himself. looked gorgeous too.

    Ms Gillard’s legs are chubby but I think it’s fluid, like a medical problem, not fat as such. just a hunch.

  133. DaveF

    A $30k Chanel suit? I wonder what benefit the company expects from lending it to her.

    Clothing the current PM couldn’t possibly be a selling point for their clobber.

  134. Andreas

    Don’t know if NSB has the letter, but if I remember correctly Smith has stated he has an anonymous source who has said they would be prepared in the event of an inquiry to attest to its existence and contents.

    On the contents of the letter, Gordon says in the interview with Gillard that the letter “suggest[ed] that in fact it [the association] wasn’t a trade union and argu[ed] the case for its incorporation”. The latter part (“arguing the case for its incorporation”) implies something more than just stating it wasn’t a trade union.

  135. m0nty

    Your a betting man M0nty right?
    What do the betting markets say?
    That’s what i mean when i say ” punter “.

    I am not a betting man, actually. I don’t trust betting markets as a rule, they reflect the psychology of the bettors rather than the actual likelihoods of the events in question. In some cases they align, but in many cases they don’t.

  136. At the end of the day, Gillard introduces legislation that will, in time, improve the quality of the lives of Australians with disabilities. Abbott goes on about inconsequential stuff that happened years ago, and will make no difference to anything except the 24 media cycle.
    Says it all, really:)

  137. Helen Armstrong

    Clothing the current PM couldn’t possibly be a selling point for their clobber.

    No, the people that made her jackets, said it was the worst advertising they ever had. People were coming in asking to not be shown anything that JG had ever worn. I think the name of the house was Carla Zampatti – I don’t want JG to write a threatening letter or anything, as it was told to me second hand.

  138. val majkus

    Sen Brandis was (under privilege) talking about making a knowingly false declaration (workplace safety in lieu of slush fund) was a breach of section 170 of the Western Australian criminal code
    http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/2012-11-29/as-it-happened-bitter-end-to-parliaments-year/1053366

  139. jumpnmcar

    Look, if Abbott had the balls when Gillard was playing the ” you are wrong to say lies about me you nasty man ” he would have stood as if to make a point of order and said ” sue me , lets take it to court “

  140. DaveF

    Numbers the NDIS needs the same amount of money the Federal government spends on Medicare. It isn’t going to happen.

    It’s a breathtaking con on vulnerable people. Virtually criminal in its audacity.

    It’s. Not. Happening.

  141. DaveF

    No, the people that made her jackets, said it was the worst advertising they ever had. People were coming in asking to not be shown anything that JG had ever worn.

    Christ that’s funny.

  142. JC

    At the end of the day, Gillard introduces legislation that will, in time, improve the quality of the lives of Australians with disabilities. Abbott goes on about inconsequential stuff that happened years ago, and will make no difference to anything except the 24 media cycle.
    Says it all, really:)

    Oh okay… I suppose the local axe murderer is forgiven if he sent 100 bucks your way each week.

    Spud peeler, you’re an appalling human being.

  143. “it’s. Not. Happening”
    Sorry, it is. It’s bipartisan, remember?
    “Criminal in its audacity”
    Only a “libertarian” could describe hope as criminal.
    What a sorry lot…….

  144. “Oh okay……I suppose the local axe murderer…..”
    Comes from the Mitt Romney school of political thought – can only see the world in terms of their own limited understanding – givers and takers. Remember where it got him?

  145. Tom

    Which part of not happening don’t you understand, you pointless waste of food?

  146. JC

    Look spud peeler, you’re a a moocher and no amount of bad shit the lying slapper has done in her life would change the fact that you would continue supporting her. That was the point I was making.

    Are you sure you’re a man? The reason I ask is that you remind me a lot of those women who send love letters to serial killers sitting on death row.

    In fact the other leftwing here idiots remind of these women. People like Fat boy, the Steves and of course Kero boy.

  147. jumpnmcar

    M0nty

    I am not a betting man, actually.

    OK, sorry, are you a stats man?
    How many times has the betting market been wrong 12 months out from an election ?

    I’ll guess %7.5 max.

  148. Tiny Dancer

    Hey numbers, how you going in that foxhole?

  149. wreckage

    OK, sorry, are you a stats man?

    $10 says he ain’t.

  150. Pickles

    “You can’t find the letter cause we burnt them all Nyah Nyah ”

    What ? That ethics?

  151. wreckage

    So the betting market is now pretty strongly Coalition, and we know the Grand Alliance will lose two seats minimum to the Coalition at any upcoming election, regardless of the broader “swing” situation.

    How is the government looking good? Barely a month has gone by when they haven’t faced serious errors of judgement getting sprayed all over the media, their working-class cred has been replaced with chic inner-city Green (which constitutes something like 3 seats, plus some that will break liberal if their careers are threatened) and there is no way known that a government that claims it has hands on every lever and fingers on every button is going to be able to say “we know no THINK” WRT giant power price increases over the last 12 months.

    I think they’re pretty much stuffed.

  152. Skuter

    Numbers, maybe a half competent administration might be able to negotiate successfully with the states, reprioritise their own spending and design robust eligibility criteria in order to deliver a workable scheme that will streamline service delivery for disabled people. However, this mob couldn’t melt ice cubes in the desert let alone achieve the above. It hasn’t passed the thought bubble stage…

  153. val majkus

    as for NDIS where’s the money coming from?

  154. C.L.

    I guess Abbott’s attempt to project a positive vibe was never going to last very long. Today it was all dirt. And none of it stuck, as usual. Complete waste of time and effort by the Libs in general.

    Decoded: Abbott won.

    It was hilarious. Gillard looked physically panicked. Her own frontbenchers were not even moved by her lip-trembling, nervously high-pitched boilerplate.

  155. candy

    “as for NDIS where’s the money coming from?”

    same place as the free dental care for everyone earning under $80,000 and the educational reforms …

  156. Gab

    Why am I not surprised 90210 is a David Icke fan? LOL.

  157. “Abbott won…”
    The PM is Julia Gilard. The Leader of the Opposition is Tony Abbott. Who won again?

  158. Tiny Dancer

    Hey, numbers. Watch out. Incoming.

  159. C.L.

    Whoever advised Gillard to orchestrate Abbott to speak was probably quietly shot in the Rodent’s office this afternoon. Abbott’s performance was a master class in extemporare case-making and measured political attack. Gillard – the one who was actually prepared – was a jibbering, nervous wreck. Yet again, they underestimated Abbott – who is, they forget, the most prestigiously educated person on either frontbench. Gillard came across as somebody who got an LLB from an American online ‘university’ based in the Caymans.

  160. Pickles

    Hats off to PETA Crediln. Had it loaded and ready to go. And the sight of HER delivering ammo to the front leaves the theaves with just a little bit of wee in their pants.

  161. @Pickles
    “Just a little bit of wee in their pants”
    Maintaining the Catallaxy standard……

  162. James in Melbourne

    1735099, I understand that you served in Vietnam, and were sent there against your will. For serving our country I wish to place on record my gratitude to you and respect for you, for doing something that I have never had to do and that I hope my children never have to do.

    But when you comment on Australian politics you really are full of shite. You appear to be a rusted-on true believer who would be better off in an echo chamber like Lavatory Produs, or The Drum, where everyone else shares the Enid Blyton-like level of analysis you deploy. Nothing must be allowed to spoil you simple little plots, of Jools:good/Mr. Abbott:BADBADBAD.

  163. JC

    Yet again, they underestimated Abbott – who is, they forget, the most prestigiously educated person on either frontbench.

    You know, I don’t understand the dude. Abbott performs really well in parliament. He has a commanding presence and articulates superbly. Stick him in front of a camera with an idiot interviewer and he seems to stumble looking for words and sentences. Yet in my mind parliament is a more difficult stage. Far more.

    I seriously don’t get it. It’s not as though he’s inarticulate as the parliamentary performances show.

    Gillard came across as somebody who got an LLB from an American online ‘university’ based in the Caymans.

    Basically and this is cutting down to a fine line…she’s a fucking idiot along with being a dishonest slapper. She has the smarts of a booby bird and the integrity of the hungry jackal.

    Shit really does rise to the top in the ALP.

  164. Tiny Dancer

    Hey numbers, peel some more spuds, you’ll feel better.

  165. DaveF

    Numbers I’m serious about it costing the same as the Federal outlays on Medicare.

    $15 billion.

    With a B.

    Medicare was $15.1 last year.

    So we could swap Medicare for the NDIS.

    Or perhaps we could invent an industry call it, say, insurance for the sake of argument, where you can pay them a weekly amount to “insure” you against disability. Or your unborn child. Or your spouse.

    But that would be a walk into the crazy town of unfettered individual choice. And we all know where that leads: the decline of the state.

    TL;DR

    Numbers is right, we are all too stupid to make our own choices.

  166. val majkus

    JULIA Gillard has just one response to allegations of impropriety – evasion.

    Having asked for standing orders to be suspended so she could force Opposition Leader Tony Abbott to “put up or shut up” she again failed to address the substance of the argument he made about the now notorious AWU Workplace Reform Association slush fund.

    Unwilling or perhaps unable to deliver a point-by-point rebuttal, she ignored the charges made by both Abbott and his deputy Julie Bishop that she had provided false information to the WA Corporate Affairs Commission and retreated into the stonewalling performance she has now rehearsed at two Canberra press conferences.

    Abbott’s argument was based on a transcript of the tape recording of Gillard’s 1995 exit interview from Slater & Gordon, which is being released in bits and pieces by her former law partner Nick Styant-Browne. Abbott said she must have known after her interview that there was an abundance of problems.

    He pointed out it was at that point she ended her relationship with Wilson – that it was known then that funds had been stolen from the fund. He said her silence meant the fraud could continue. She was, he said, a dodgy and unethical lawyer, and a dishonest and untrustworthy PM.

    When Abbott surrendered the questions to Bishop, a former senior partner in a major law firm, she barrelled Gillard with the sections of the WA Criminal

    Code. She rattled off the section numbers 170, 409, 558 and section 43 of the Associations Incorporation Act, to boot.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/piersakerman/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/ducking_and_diving_but_pms_goose_is_cooked/

    Gillard may believe the country is sick of this saga but the nation will never tire of striving for good governance and her performance on this issue has been abysmal.

    Try as she might to hide behind feel-good announcements like the NDIS (without any funding), or the NBN (off the books and without a cost benefit analysis), Gillard looks like she is floundering. Her strident toughness is a facade.

  167. Tom

    Reptilian brain – no hope!

    The old commo is trying to explain that he is a fascist collectivist and has no comprehension of the human desire for freedom. It’s a pity he came back from spud-peeling duty in Vietnam: he was secretly barracking for the Viet Cong. And that’s being charitable about what I think would have been a fitting fate for arseholes like him. But that is the great thing about our democracy: it was fought for and is still being fought for by the blood of real men and women who are prepared to be spat on by traitors in our midst.

  168. JC

    “Just a little bit of wee in their pants”
    Maintaining the Catallaxy standard……

    Fuck off numbers, you fucking moron.

    All you do is spend time here justifying why other people owe you a living and sermonizing when others have different ideas.

    Go get your own money and stop the demand others should keep you.

  169. JC

    It’s a pity he came back from spud-peeling duty in Vietnam: he was secretly barracking for the Viet Cong.

    That’s why a fully volunteer military is superior in every way. There’s no fucking way spuds would have been selected without the assistance of conscription.

  170. DaveF

    Helen:

    That link looks incorrect. It doesn’t mention her jacket from my reading.

    Bonus thought: There is a site named lipmag?

  171. val majkus

    Dave look at the picture, that’s the Carla Zampatti

  172. Helen Armstrong

    2nd para, third sentence

  173. twostix

    Maintaining the Catallaxy standard……

    Yet here you are.

    Again.

  174. DaveF

    Numbers I’m more than happy to discuss the financing and structure of the NDIS with you if you want to be genuine about it.

    I consider it a very important issue.

  175. Pickles

    McKenzie’s friend. Don’t.

  176. @JC
    Remind me – who was the ADF chief who was quoted as saying that the average IQ of the army went up 20 points with the advent of conscription?

  177. DaveF

    (sales of a Carla Zampatti jacket reportedly slumped after Gillard was pictured wearing it)

    I take it all back.

    Dave look at the picture, that’s the Carla Zampatti

    That’s a great comment….

  178. The expression on gillards face, she is shooting daggers at Abbott. I’m guessing she doesn’t like him too much.

    For Carpe @ 2.16: Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned.

    😉

  179. JC

    Numbers I’m more than happy to discuss the financing and structure of the NDIS with you if you want to be genuine about it.

    I consider it a very important issue.

    As Stella, the one eyed dwarf said on Q&A last Monday night, we’re way past counting the money. Way past.

    $15 billion here., 15 billion there. Who cares it’s only money and if we find out it costs far too much, well we can eat the rich.

    NDIS is a human right as we were told. It’s a human right and an unmet need.

  180. cohenite

    val; excellent posts; get them all together and put up a summary some where.

  181. DaveF

    Yeah I know JC.

    Its a shame the ABC is too head up the arse to recognise she isn’t the best spokeswoman for (as she self describes) crips.

    [why is ‘arse’ underlined in red? damn Yank spellchecking]

  182. Mk50 of Brisbane

    The screams of our resident howler-monkeys are delicious indeed.

    Once again, they appear to have no clue about what the observed outcome is. Being brainless leftoid cretins they always look for some form of ‘smoking gun’: just like in the talking points from the ALP says they should.

    How juvenile.

    No nuance, less subtlety: what you expect from such creatures?

    Bishop has ramped up the pressure and defined a whole array of shonky, dodgy and probable criminal acts involved in this. it has been a stellar performance from her, careful, clinical, calm and rational.

    Then, to my utter delight, the Lying Slapper challenges Abbott to a 15 minute debate (having prepared little more than a ‘Ah din do NUFFINS!!!’ defence herself). Abbott calmly summarises the entire array of sleaze, notes that it all goes the her character and rally does make her unfit for office, and calls for a judicial inquiry.

    The Lying Slapper spends 15 minutes screeching little more than ‘Ah din do NUFFINS!!’

    So if you are an ALP/union hack/hater/axe-grinder, you now know it’s time to release what you have. because she’s doomed and hell, why not get your payback while it still hurts. The electorate is now guaranteed to hear the words ‘Gillard’ ‘Union’ and ‘fraud’ endlessly repeated. The media is now in full throated cry. Even the media’s socialist fellation society, sorry, the gallery ‘See-ALP-then-it’s-kneepads&swallow-time’brigade, erm, the Canberra Presstitutes gallery cannot keep the lid on this one.

    This is a most satisfactory conclusion to a rather nice week.

    After all, if there is one person in the country the Libs want to see lead the ALP to the next election, it’s the Lying Slapper.

    Especially now.

    They judged the pressure very nicely: enough to cripple, but not enough (I hope) to trigger the knives.

  183. val majkus

    thanks cohenite, I am putting them up! … i think

  184. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Numbers:

    Remind me – who was the ADF chief who was quoted as saying that the average IQ of the army went up 20 points with the advent of conscription?

    At least that proves he never did meet you, Numbers.

  185. Splatacrobat

    Steve Gibbons at it again. Shut the fuck up

    From Bolta

  186. brc

    You know, I don’t understand the dude. Abbott performs really well in parliament. He has a commanding presence and articulates superbly. Stick him in front of a camera with an idiot interviewer and he seems to stumble looking for words and sentences. Yet in my mind parliament is a more difficult stage. Far more.

    I seriously don’t get it. It’s not as though he’s inarticulate as the parliamentary performances show.

    I get it. The people on the other side of the chamber to abbot are the ones he is taking down. They’re always going to disagree with him, try and shout back. He knows their stupid tricks after all his years in parliament.

    But the media – well, he has learnt the hard way that they will twist, turn and chop up his words to suit their narrative. You can’t chop up words in parliament – hansard is always there.

    He has developed a media filter in his head, to try and stop getting verballed, and it halts and chops up his delivery.

    IMO he should just ditch it and get into full flow. If he makes the top job I would expect him to. The love media will be incredulous if he gets the top job, but if he does it will be on a wave of support they will have to reflect for at least a time, or they will lose what little audiences they have left. And in that period he should regain his feet. He used to be quite good as the health minister and head-kicker for Howard.

  187. DaveF

    This is a little OT

    lip magazine

    The magazine for girls who think, feel, create, speak out, live.

    No blokes magazine would have that as their mission statement. Dead set.

    Ralph Magazine

    The magazine for boys who think, feel, create, speak out, live.

  188. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Hey! I found SfB’s uniform as a member of The Pretentious Sockpuppet of Ruritania’s™ special forces!

  189. @Mk50
    He did actually. He asked me what I thought of my posting to infantry. I told him I would (as a teacher) have preferred Education Corps – he was not amused. I never met anyone above the rank of Major with a sense of humour…..

  190. Gab

    Speaking of the love media:

    Fairfax senior writer Stephanie Peatling tweets on November 22:

    EEK. Glad I’m not the reporter who rolled their eyes at the PM during a press conference and then got called out on it.

  191. DaveF

    You know, I don’t understand the dude. Abbott performs really well in parliament. He has a commanding presence and articulates superbly. Stick him in front of a camera with an idiot interviewer and he seems to stumble looking for words and sentences.

    I sort of met him once in public. He’s a bit awkward. I think he watches his words carefully so there’s no gotcha statement.

  192. jupes

    Remind me – who was the ADF chief who was quoted as saying that the average IQ of the army went up 20 points with the advent of conscription?

    10 months of your life numbers.

    You must have lived a very miserable existance since then.

  193. Peter OBrien

    Probably too late to respond to Monty. I have been away from the computer all day. However, Monty, you miss my point. It is possible to be convicted on circumstantial evidence alone but I do concede that it would be difficult in this case to secure a conviction given Gillard’s status. But my point was that what we already know is enough to disqualify her from the role of PM, even without a criminal conviction.

  194. brc

    Mk50 a good summary I think. If anyone thinks of listening to the ‘you’ve got nothing’ comments, I urge them to scroll back up, find the link to the August 23 Open Forum, and read all the ‘this is a non-story, Gillard killed it dead today’ comments from the same sage ones who think all this really will have no effect on peoples already low opinion of Ms Gillard.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see Abbots approval rating dip down again – few people like to see leaders tearing into each other like this – but the stench will hang around only one of them, because only one of them has documentary evidence of dodgy activities lying around.

    Wounded, but not gone. The myth of Labor clean-air never eventuated for 2012. 2013 isn’t looking much brighter, either.

    If only they could get somethign right. But that requires talent and imagination, something not usually seen rising throughout the trade union ranks.

  195. jupes

    2013 isn’t looking much brighter, either.

    Oh I think they will get a lot of ‘clear air’ in 2013.

    Right after the election.

  196. DaveF

    Actually wasn’t 2012 as the ‘Year that Labor delivers’?

    Or was it 2011?

  197. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Monty’s position in the coterie of The Pretentious Sockpuppet of Ruritania™ appears to be a little…. ambigious… might be the right word.

  198. Gab

    Saints preserve us! from any more of Labor’s deliveries and reforms. We just can’t afford any more of their wacky ideas. They’ve already enslaved the next generation into debt.

  199. DaveF

    Numbers my NDIS offer still holds.

    I’d be happy to genuinely debate it.

  200. SteveC

    Abbott goes on about inconsequential stuff that happened years ago, and will make no difference to anything except the 24 media cycle.
    Says it all, really:)

    Yes 1730599, well summarised.

  201. val majkus

    has the Gillard Govt done anything right yet? Must be something

  202. SteveC

    Once again, they appear to have no clue about what the observed outcome is.

    The parallels with the ill-conceived “Obama’s goooone” meme continue thick and fast. You really don;t learn do you. The demonstrated ability for self delusion is exquisite.

  203. Leigh Lowe

    I never met anyone above the rank of Major with a sense of humour…..

    …. and I never met anyone below NCO rank without a chip on their shoulder

  204. JC

    Yes 1730599, well summarised.

    Spuds and one of the Steves twins thinks we should do away with the criminal legal system.

    It all happened in the past and who cares really.

    Dickheads.

  205. DaveF

    I like the $18k tax threshold. But the clawback on deductions weren’t so great.

    But I hate deductions anyway so it’s a winner in my book.

  206. Mike of Marion

    Gab @ 2126,

    That is Labor’s total focus at the moment – while they can rush through all these unfunded schemes so whoever follows will find no money left

  207. Pedro the Ignorant

    Numbers went home to Queensland after his enforced military service 40+ years ago.

    Then he turned on his former comrades-in-arms like a cornered rat, and has dined out on on it ever since, to the point of obsession.

    In earlier times, he would have been paraded in front of the Regiment, had his sword broken, his buttons and regimental insignia cut off and marched out the gate to the beat of a single drum and the jeers and catcalls of his Regiment.

    But, he was just a lowly private, so no drumming out of the Regiment, just an ignominious descent into obscurity and irrelevance where no one except his fellow travellers gives a rats arse about his political opinions.

    The vast majority of his fellow ex-soldiers are ashamed that this turncoat was once in their ranks.

  208. Brian of Moorabbin

    If only the Numerical One would realise that his military service was in the past and that, in the end, no-one cares really…

  209. SteveC

    It allNothing of consequence regarding Gillard happened in the past and who cares really.

    FTFY

  210. JC

    …has the Gillard Govt done anything right yet? Must be something

    It’s gone past the stage of even getting upset about it. On Monday mornings these days, I always think to myself.. what’s the Slapper going to fuck up this week. It’s seriously a very impressive history. Not a week goes by when the slapper is in the country that she doesn’t fuck something up or there’s a scandal to deal with. Every week a new one!

  211. m0nty

    It has been a dead story for years. Abbott and Bishop have been animating the corpse, Weekend at Bernie’s style, but there is no life in it.

    Comical CL, what a clown.

  212. JC

    That is Labor’s total focus at the moment – while they can rush through all these unfunded schemes so whoever follows will find no money left

    Ah yea, the poison pills. In fact an entire bottle of them. Don’t fund them.

  213. JC

    All sugared up fat boy? All that energy to burn and nowhere to go except The Cat and abusing the commenters here.

  214. SteveC

    has the Gillard Govt done anything right yet? Must be something

    Same question as a few days ago, same answer:
    Another 5 years of continuous growth (continuing the previous 15 or so). Low inflation, low unemployment, better housing affordability, lower income tax.
    A few more contentious achievements that others may not see as a positive: the aplogogy to the stolen generation and a price on carbon (carbon tax to suit JC’s sensibilities)

  215. DaveF

    I admire her resilience. If my past was being pored over I’d be in an alcoholic stupor all day.

    But she gets up each day and new info has been found. Wow.

    As a bonus she knows how much is available and she keeps a stiff upper lip.

    Credit where it’s due.

  216. Leigh Lowe

    Remind me – who was the ADF chief who was quoted as saying that the average IQ of the army went up 20 points with the advent of conscription?

    Numbers …. that may be so …. I don’t know.
    Tell me.
    When you were de-mobbed did the ADF IQ needle move appreciably on the gauge?

  217. Podsnap

    You don’t get it do you Steve C ?

    The unions loom very large in the ALP – money and people – just look at the rogues gallery of ALP pollys around the ‘AWU Affair’.

    Unions used to loom very large for the normal Aussie – a lot of people used to connect a lot with unions – we were members or we just had a folkloric memory of the ‘bad old days’ when employers used to whip the workers once a day and twice on Sundays.

    No more. Less than 20 % in unions (from about 40 % in the early 90s)now.

    Most people’s only acquaintance with unions now is when they see the odd scandal headline. The most likely word association with ‘union’ now for the average punter is ‘prostitute’ thanks to Thommo.

    The details will be lost in the news cycle – but the stench around Gillard remains. She is now indelibly associated with the union movement, and that ain’t a good thing.

    Remember her and Ruddy were supposed to be ‘New Labor’ – free of the bullshit of the past ?

    Not any more.

    Bring on the Royal Commission on union sleaze. Let’s look into that mudbucket.

  218. SteveC

    m0nty, perhaps they could pitch it to the big studios as “Abbott and Bishop – Well Beyond Re-Animator”

  219. DaveF

    monty and SteveC how do you guys coordinate?

    I mean it’s obvious you do given the time stamps. email or are you strangers who trawl blogs together using codewords in a post when it’s time to move on?

    Like a well know gerbil up the butt man who used ‘armageddon’ as the ‘panic word’ for his buddy to intervene.

    No criticism, just interested.

  220. JC

    I admire her resilience. If my past was being pored over I’d be in an alcoholic stupor all day.

    But she gets up each day and new info has been found. Wow.

    As a bonus she knows how much is available and she keeps a stiff upper lip.

    Credit where it’s due.

    Ya think. it seems her entire adult life has been one huge fuck and then onto the next. It’s not resilience it’s basically learnt behavior.

    And get this.. she basically was booted as a partner in a law firm for doing some really dishonest shit, she then wobbles her way into politics, becomes a member of a political party populated by the mentally disturbed and lowrent dishonest grubs and ends up PM.

    She’d be doing fucking carwheels each day. Everyday as PM is a bonus to her.

  221. .

    Remind me – who was the ADF chief who was quoted as saying that the average IQ of the army went up 20 points with the advent of conscription?

    An effing likely story. Like how he represents disable kids pro bono when expensive private schools give them very poor service and discriminate against them. Of course he towels up conservative leaning QCs representing the toffs on a regular basis.

  222. Splatacrobat

    Actually wasn’t 2012 as the ‘Year that Labor delivers’?

    Yes. The problem is everything they delivered was still born:

    Malaysia solution
    Stop the boats, 1,100 dead and an extra 1 Billion spondoolies in housing the lucky ones that didn’t drown.
    NDIS, policy without spondoolies to match.
    NBN, over budget, behind schedule.
    Gonski, Gone-ski without spondoolies.
    Mining tax, zero spondoolies.
    Carbon tax, drop the fixed price so spondoolies revenue will be less than already committed spondoolies expenditure in 2014/15.
    Deliver tax increases as savings to hopefully raise enough spondoolies to balance the budget.
    United nations seat, Spend millions of spondoolies getting the seat then abstaining on the first vote. Thats like taking a girl out on a date, wining and dining her, seeing a show then telling her your gay.

  223. DaveF

    She’d be doing fucking carwheels each day. Everyday as PM is a bonus to her.

    Gold

  224. SteveC

    monty and SteveC how do you guys coordinate?

    Through Sussex Street. We have a roster, and a internet trawl bot to alert us 🙂

  225. candy

    Perhaps j.Gillard was just born under a “lucky star” and whatever happens, whatever shonky stuff she gets up to, she comes back up on top.

  226. Leigh Lowe

    At the end of the day, Gillard introduces legislation that will, in time, improve the quality of the lives of Australians with disabilities

    Except, Numbers, as fucking usual, the Crayfish will demand the states pay for it, she will set up a 40,000 strong Federal bureaucracy to run workshops and allow the criteria to be lowered to the point where every indolent drug-fucked dickhead with a work allergy will be on a life pension.
    In budgetary terms this will be BER + pink batts + the border protection fuck-up ( on steroids)

  227. Mk50 of Brisbane

    I have been lifting flat rocks all day looking for The Pretentious Sockpuppet of Ruritania™.

    Anyone seen it?

  228. DaveF

    Thats like taking a girl out on a date, wining and dining her, seeing a show then telling her your gay.

    The gret stuff is coming out tonight.

  229. JC

    SteveC

    You are so gay. Not gay as in homosexual gay, just gay.

    Your twin steves isn’t as bad although he’s up there too.

  230. candy

    Where’s Steve from Brisbane, Hope he’s okay. It’s always interesting to have his take on the political day’s proceedings, he’s never quiet for very long, that boy.

  231. .

    You are indeed correct, Podsnap

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/membership-fall-crisis-for-unions/story-fnbkvnk7-1226343081983

    Membership fall crisis for unions
    BY: JUDITH SLOAN, CONTRIBUTING ECONOMICS EDITOR From: The Australian May 01, 2012 12:00AM

    THE latest national figures on trade union membership were released last week, showing that the proportion of workers who belonged to a union in August last year was unchanged from the previous year. According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, the figure is the “lowest proportion of union membership collected by the ABS”.

    The overall figure of 18 per cent was made up of a small rise in the proportion of public sector workers who belong to a union offset by a small fall in the private sector. Unionisation in the private sector stands at 13 per cent.

    From the point of the view of the union movement, the best that can be said about these figures is that the fall in unionisation that has been apparent over the past 20 years may have plateaued. Bear in mind these figures were collected before full details of the misuse of union funds at the HSU were revealed.

    The reputational damage caused by the shenanigans at the HSU is likely to have led to a further haemorrhaging of members – this is already apparent in terms of resignations from the HSU. But the effect is likely to be more widespread. With the lack of transparency in union affairs, who can tell what other unions get up to?

    Over time, the fall in union membership has been steep, almost precipitous. In August 1992, 43 per cent of male workers and 35 per cent of females were union members in their main jobs. The figure is now 18 per cent for both male and female workers.

    There were small rises in union membership among male workers during the global financial crisis in 2008 and 2009, but these have since been reversed.

    Full-time workers are more likely to belong to unions than part-timers, although the rate of decline in full-time workers has been greater than that of part-timers. The gap between the rate of unionisation of full-time and part-time workers has fallen from 18 percentage points in 1992 to 6 percentage points now.

    The mainstay of union membership are now teachers, nurses and public servants. The sector with the highest union membership is education and training, followed by public administration and safety. Tasmania, with its large public sector, has the highest rate of unionisation at 25 per cent.

    Oh those poor primary school teachers, being forced to work in salt mines and for 18 hour shifts…

  232. Honesty

    Monty betting is not about trust it’s about winning. And if, as you say the event probabilities diverged from the odds as determined from the physchology of the punters you have an arbitrage, or a certain win, which you are too stupid to take. You are too stupid to understand what you write, you are too stupid to understand and answer the original question and you are too stupid to understand you are out of your depth. But an idiot like you is helpful and I use you as an example of false arguments and bait and switch practices of con merchants for my 11 year old. She takes your comments to class where they ridicule your arguments. You are a useful idiot please keep posting.

  233. JC

    Perhaps j.Gillard was just born under a “lucky star” and whatever happens, whatever shonky stuff she gets up to, she comes back up on top.

    It’s not luck. It just looks like she’s lucky. She knifed the little turd and then it’s been down hill all the way.

    Look at that front bench and tell me where’s the competition.

  234. Leigh Lowe

    Perhaps j.Gillard was just born under a “lucky star” and whatever happens, whatever shonky stuff she gets up to, she comes back up on top

    .

    Nah!
    Put on your nuclear sunglasses and standby for the bright flash.
    She is Dead Crayfish Walking.

  235. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Hey! Thanks anonymous emailing person. This may indeed be a pic of the two Steves.

  236. DaveF

    Gotta correct you Leigh:

    she will has set up a 40,000 strong Federal bureaucracy

    The budget so far is $1 billion. $200 million for the 3 regional test zones and $800 million on bureaucrats in Canberra.

    It’s already in place.

  237. JC

    The mainstay of union membership are now teachers, nurses and public servants. The sector with the highest union membership is education and training, followed by public administration and safety. Tasmania, with its large public sector, has the highest rate of unionisation at 25 per cent.

    It’s actually jaw dropping. They will eat us alive if we’re not careful and they’ll also go for the bones like they have in the US. They are literally eating that country away.

  238. Tom

    The trolls are back to sing the praises of their communist government, which has increased government spending by 72%, gone from zero government borrowings to $250 billion-plus, which has explodeded the value of the AUD by 30%, trashing manufacturing industry employment, stalled of productivity growth, putting the non-mining economy into or on the verge of recession, entrenched political corruption, trashed parliamentary standards, destroyed our national borders and made Australia a leftwing freak show in the Asian neighborhood.

    Nice picture of Dogshit’s Best Friend, Marko.

  239. candy

    “Look at that front bench and tell me where’s the competition.”

    Only Stephen Smith was probably the only competition. He doesn’t look so rabble like, like the rest of ’em.

  240. Tiny Dancer

    Peter O’Brien – on the money. Don’t expect mOron or the Steves to ever appreciate such a concept.

    She was putrid all week and did nothing to help herself.

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