What she said

More at The Spectator.

The Times of India has a nice obit.

This is one of the funniest things that’s happened in a long time.

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43 Responses to What she said

  1. A Lurker

    I was a non-political young-un during the Thatcher years, but after watching that particular clip I’d have to say that Thatcher possessed far more Prime Ministerial air, spirit and gravitas in one (now deceased) molecule of her body, than Gillard possesses in her entire frame.

  2. Abu Chowdah

    WHAT a good idea!


  3. All over the West we have academics and celebrities and ordinary people actively branding themselves as marxists unlike anything I ever thought I would see. Somehow under the theory that Russia and China were predominately agricultural so those tries do not count.

    With the assault on anything that bolsters the individual we sure do need a political spokesperson in one of the countries in the West who still remembers why liberty matters. Why the individual has to have a domain where even the Crown may not go.

    I read that it was Hayek’s The Constitution of Liberty that sparked her vision of what a Conservative Party in Britain could create a rejuvenating vision around.

    Here in the US it seems like both parties just want to keep access to the OPM trough. I wrote a story last week citing documents that federal revenue sharing was being rewritten to force Regionalism and a Green Urban Economy vision per ICLEI Agenda 21 and policies quietly adopted last summer at Rio+20. Which means something comparable is likely coming to Australia since Melbourne is explicitly part of the Global Cities Education Network.

    Thatcher in her prime would have recognized this for the Crony boondoggle of taxpayer money and more debt that it is. And she was quite right about the EU.

    Cannot wait to hear Daniel Hannan give a tribute at least. He does get it. Does anyone else today really?

  4. Blogstrop

    This quote from Damian Thompson which Token gave us on the last Open Thread is well worth a rerun here:

    Let it be said, immediately and unequivocally: Margaret Thatcher was the finest prime minister of the post-war era, the only British politician in modern to change Britain – and so much for the better. As her aide Ferdinand Mount once said of her – and he was by no means blind to her faults – she made Britons believe that things were possible – that we could revive ourselves through a sheer act of will and by blocking our ears to the enemies of progress. The intensity of the hatred she inspired was, paradoxically, a tribute to her. No one who changes the way a country works, to put it bluntly, can do so without implementing policies that hurt people. She knew that, and regretted it, for she was a kind lady. But Britain is enormously in her debt. This is an immensely sad day

    There are two more reasons for sadness. One is that her good work may already be substantially ubdone, such are the tidal flows of democracies. We too are condemned to oscillate between competent governments, who always attract the vilification of the media class, and the welfarists who waste a nation’s resources, thereby setting another herculean task for the competents when they return.
    The UK’s present government is not up to the mark, and it comes after a long run of Labour.
    What will the media here do after the next election when Abbott and Co. Set about fixing up the shambles left by the current clowns? I suspect that we’ll see exactly the sort of demonisation directed at the conservatives that was directed at Thatcher. The word is that the unions are now gearing up to start that attack soon, as a lead up to the election.
    They did it in 2006/7 and it worked.

  5. Greigoz

    I cringe to think that Julia Gilliard has the temerity to compare herself to Thatcher. They’re both women… and that’s where the comparison ends.

  6. lotocoti

    A simple message which needs to be beaten into some people.

    The state has no source of money other than the money people earn themselves …

  7. Jim Rose

    see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/8093845/Margaret-Thatcher-obituary.html

    they have the best obits

    Baroness Thatcher, who has died aged 87 from a stroke, was not only Britain’s first woman Prime Minister, she was also the outstanding peacetime leader of the 20th century.

  8. Ellen of Tasmania

    “‘Frit!’. We had never heard it before, especially not from her, but you knew what it meant as soon as it struck the eardrum. It was much more damaging than ‘afraid’ or ‘frightened’ because it came from somewhere much deeper. It was the sharp, unanswerable Saxon jibe and challenge, pronounced with a sneer, that you couldn’t answer and which everyone listening would know had struck home. It was completely British, and it was not from the neat world of suburban lawns and afternoon tea, but from the other less gentle world of cracked pavements and grimy brick walls where the only thing to do when in trouble was to stand and fight. And so she did.”


  9. Jim Rose

    see http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-political-phenomenon-dies for theri obitury

    Thatcher broke the pattern of postwar politics and changed its nature. Labour accommodated rather than reversed her attack on the welfare state and left her employment legislation almost untouched.

  10. Rodney

    I cannot open the second video clip. Has Conroy sensored it?

  11. Jim Rose

    Frit is from her native linconshire dialect.

    it translates loosely as “cowardly.”

    see http://www.wordnik.com/words/frit

  12. Jim Rose

    But by discrediting socialism so thoroughly, she prompted in due course the adoption by the Labour Party of free market economics, and so, as she wryly confessed in later years, “helped to make it electable”.

    from http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/8093845/Margaret-Thatcher-obituary.html

  13. Robbo

    This clip demonstrates the difference between a true leader and what we currently have in Australia. I also think it is questionable for some to say that the only thing that Thatcher and Gillard have in common is gender. My view is that they have nothing in common.

  14. candy

    Mrs Thatcher made her point shown by the video above with conviction, strength and dignity, and graciousness.
    I think it would be unwise for ALP to compare Ms Gillard to Mrs Thatcher.

  15. blogstrop

    Lincolnshire was Tennyson’s home county.

    Sunset and evening star,
    And one clear call for me!
    And may there be no moaning of the bar,
    When I put out to sea.

    But such a tide as moving seems asleep,
    Too full for sound and foam,
    When that which drew from out the boundless deep
    Turns again home!

    Twilight and evening bell,
    And after that the dark!
    And may there be no sadness of farewell,
    When I embark;

    For though from out our bourn of Time and Place
    The flood may bear me far,
    I hope to see my Pilot face to face
    When I have crost the bar.

  16. hammy

    My view is that they have nothing in common.

    Thatcher is commonly viewed as the “one with balls”. But she did give birth, so one has to reluctantly conclude she had some feminine characteristics.

  17. Andrew

    She had elegance, Hammy.

  18. Possibly the first time “butt fingering” has featured in capital letters at Catallaxy, and in a thread about Margaret Thatcher.

    What an odd little blog…

  19. Infidel Tiger

    Can we refrain from mentioning that foul red headed disgrace in all the Thatcher threads please.

  20. Vicki

    This clip is a treasure. To the end she had the measure of opponents on both sides of the House when she was on her feet. What a woman, what a mind, what a leader. It is a cliche, but so apt: we shall never see the like of her again.

    Virginia Trioli, as is the want of the agents of “news” on 24 ABC, was appropriately churlish towards this remarkable woman on the day of her passing. They are all such pygmies beside the Baroness.

  21. Tom

    Does George Negus have a book he’s trying to flog? He’s on the radio news doing the lefty revisionism of the interview in which Thatcher owned him. Such a giant of modern journalism: the newsreader called him “Brian Negus”.

  22. Nuke Gray

    Candy and Gab, the world, as well as Australia, now needs a female politician to set a GOOD example to the world! Are you up to the job?

  23. James of the Glens

    The troll calling himself ‘hammy’ continues to abuse himself with the shrivelled underclass spirit of his schoolboy drivel. A clown brought up in a carton.

    On a brighter note, it was pleasing to see Andrew Bolt correcting the lightest weight journalists in Aus., Bongiorno and Farr, about Mrs Thatcher’s views on AGW. By 2003 she had become sceptic, no doubt assisted by her own considerable scientific training.
    But no mention of this by the lamentable duo. Very poor research skills? Certainly possible. Censorship by omission? More likely.

    When new evidence presented itself Margaret Thatcher changed her assessment, as any reputable scientist did/does.

  24. @James of the Glens
    Hi James.
    This is a reasonable view on Thatcher.
    BTW – how’s that referral to ANZMI coming along for you?

  25. Milquetoast

    Robert aka numbers.

    !. As expected, your link doesn’t work.

    2. Let it go. This is not about you.

  26. candy

    “Candy and Gab, the world, as well as Australia, now needs a female politician to set a GOOD example to the world! Are you up to the job?”

    Sorry Nuke, I’ve only got an average IQ, Gab is very smart and capable, I think she’s your woman!..

  27. harrys on the boat

    Numbers linking to his own blog again? What a complete twat.

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  29. Nuke Gray

    Candy, average IQ will be acceptable, so long as you espouse the right ideals with CONVICTION! (Though I think, since you are smart enough to blog here, that your IQ is probably higher than average.)

  30. Jannie

    She was a truly great leader. Like many disaffected youfs who drifted on the Left in those days, I opposed her and supported her enemies. Sad to say, but you get smarter as you get older. She (and Ronnie Reagan) proved me wrong and taught me about the real world.

    She was a leader, she followed nothing except her conscience and her intelect. She has my eternal admiration and respect. She certainly pulled the UK out of a hole, only to have them stick their heads back in it again with Blair (and wet Tories like Major and Cameron).

    Since history tends to be written by the Leftist Academy, I fear she will be mistreated. But the flame of freedom burns bright thanks to people like her.

    Vale Maggie. God Bless You.

  31. Vicki

    This clip is a treasure. To the end she had the measure of opponents on both sides of the House when she was on her feet. What a woman, what a mind, what a leader. It is a cliche, but so apt: we shall never see the like of her again.

    Virginia Trioli, as is the want of the agents of “news” on 24 ABC, was appropriately churlish towards this remarkable woman on the day of her passing. They are all such pygmies beside the Baroness.

  32. Tom

    From No Fix Address’s National Review link, a comical exposition of the left’s childish lies and rewriting of history:


    Obama: “she stands as an example to our daughters that there is no glass ceiling that can’t be shattered.”


    “…the feminists loathed her. During her first campaign for national office in 1979, the more polite noseholders said, “We want women’s rights, not a right-wing woman.” The less subtle circulated the slogan “Ditch the B****.” Following the release of the movie The Iron Lady, a feminist wailed on the Huffington Post that Thatcher was “the embodiment of everything that feminism is not: selfish, rigid, and intolerant.”

    No wonder the whiny victims of the left hated her:

    At a Conservative-party congress, she responded to a fellow Tory’s temporizing about policy by pulling a volume from one of her famous handbags. Thumping her copy of F. A. Hayek’s The Constitution of Liberty on the table, she declared, “This is what we believe.”

    Unlike Hillary Clinton, who rode to power on her husband’s coattails, or world leaders like Benazir Bhutto and Indira Gandhi, whose powerful fathers blazed the trail, Thatcher was completely self-made. She never once complained, as Clinton has more than once, that she was unfairly treated because she was a woman.

  33. JamesK

    The estimable Mona Charen in NoFixedAddress’ link begins her post of MT with the following:

    President Obama’s statement honoring Margaret Thatcher was an example of the chameleon-like nature of liberalism. Rewriting history is a liberal specialty. Just as the anti–Cold War liberals were miraculously transformed into cold warriors after the war had been won, yesterday’s anti-Thatcherites are today morphing into something else.

    The president’s statement praises Thatcher as one of the “great champions of freedom and liberty” and goes on to observe that “she stands as an example to our daughters that there is no glass ceiling that can’t be shattered.”

    So today we all celebrate Margaret Thatcher as a feminist icon? This is revisionism of a high order.

    The dim-witted nasty numbers is so bent out of shape psgologicaly, he thinks historical revisionism is another “vast right-wing conspiracy”

  34. Jim Rose

    rather good http://www.smh.com.au/comment/thatcher-was-a-real-feminist-20130409-2hibr.html by LIONEL SHRIVER

    Connotatively, a ‘‘feminist’’ has a chip on her shoulder the size of a two-by-four, never shuts up about ‘‘empowerment,’’ is eternally on the look out for sexist slights, and never considers the possibility that other people might deny her a job or dismiss her opinions because she is personally insufferable.

    The movement has often obsessed with language, leaving a legacy of awkward ‘‘him/her’’ constructions or faddish but equally sexist Bibles whose God is a ‘‘she.’’

    Given the humorless blah-blah-blah the term feminist evokes, it’s little wonder that many young women today avoid the label.

    Margaret Thatcher was a real feminist. Not for what she said but for what she did. She did not pursue justice for her gender; women’s rights per se was clearly a low priority for her. She was out for herself and for what she believed in.

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  36. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Such presience regarding the disaster that is the EU too. Here as elsewhere her clarity of interpretation was stunning.

    She did more to demonstrate what women’s place in public life could be than any other contemporary politician. She showed that women could think, argue, debate, construct, fight, persuade and lead – all by force of her compelling intellect in policy and through demonstration of her staunchly female personality vis-a-vis the men in parliament and elsewhere. She did this without recourse to pathetic appeals for separate treatment or to fabricated hysterias about ‘misogyny’; she also did this as a woman, a wife and a mother who was proud of being all three of these things.

    Her achievement was absolutely on her own merits and due to her capacity to carry a nation along with the blueprint she drew from her own convictions.

  37. Leigh Lowe

    Try to look dispassionately at her major reforms (or major discords attributed to her).
    Firstly, the attempt to drag the coal-mining industry out of the nineteenth century and, in doing so, rid the rest of the country of the drag of mining subsidies. Roll forward thirty years. Can you imagine the ferals marching in the streets to save the grubby coal industry in 2013?
    Although, I did hear the usual protectionist clap-trap on ABC this morning. Pommy git talk-back caller complaining that the privatization of the British power utilities did away with their ability to pay premiums for British coal – without a jot of consideration that this was anything but a good thing.
    Secondly, there was Rupert’s move to modernize newspaper printing at Wapping. Again, roll forward thirty years to the internet age. The outrage at Rupert doing away with technologically redundant type-setters etc looks just a tiny bit of a quaint, even embarrassing, anachronism in 2013.

    Incidentally, has anyone noticed how that dirty four letter c-word – coal – has disappeared from the criticisms of Thatcher in recent times.
    References to “coal-miners” which were commonly used in reference to this chapter in history have been truncated simply to “miners”.

  38. Jim Rose

    some of the Left could best spend this time reflecting on why Thatcher beat them so badly at the ballot box. The biggest mistake in politics is to believe your own propaganda and under-estimate your opponents. learn from defeats & re-group.

    Abbott, Thatcher and Reagan benefited greatly from being under-estimated and dismissed as lightweights lacking in appeal to ordinary voters.

    American politics is littered with, as George Will added eloquently, with the bleached bones of those who under-estimated Ronald Reagan. the British Left is no better off.

  39. http://www.city-journal.org/2013/eon0408cb.html is a piece by Claire Berlinski on why Thatcher mattered so much to the Britain she came to power in.

    And she was reviled yesterday precisely because she did shift the battle for socialism for a time. Forced it to come against the West stealthily, not militarily, and thus delayed victory.

    Yesterday really was all about a fear that remembering and honoring her in death might have a similar effect.

    So close. And largely unappreciated by people who believe the lack of good jobs is a problem of capitalism instead of the real culprit, Statism and its predations and levelling.

  40. Eddystone

    Those British MPs were happier and better humoured than the dour faced mediocrities we have to put up with.

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