Thursday Forum: May 16, 2013

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865 Responses to Thursday Forum: May 16, 2013

  1. Aliice

    Dan go to bed yourself. You dont have the same gravitas as JC and I only listen to JC on that matter of my bedtime. You got lucky last night but its JCs job really.

  2. JC

    He has fair skin and blonde hair and was wearing a grey t-shirt with dogs on the front and blue denim shorts.

    There are literately dozens of toddlers walking around the bush alone where this kid was lost, which is why they gave his description.

  3. The story refers to police divers probably being called in tomorrow – so he presumably took off somewhere near water.

    He went missing at 10.30: they had at least a good 5 to 6 hours of sunlight to search for him. He’s only two – he can’t cover that much ground in a short space of time.

    I think it is a reasonable guess that the police think it very likely he’s in whatever body of water the police will look in tomorrow.

    It’s very unfortunate the attraction that water seems to hold for toddlers….

    Anyway that’s my guess, and I tend to reserve judgement on society going to hell in a handbasket based on short media reports of stories like this.

  4. Token

    Jim, you’ll be relieved to learn that none of the volunteers got lost themselves.

    Jim, have you ever lived more than 15min from the centre of large cities?

    During my time in the country the locals who lead the searches knew the terrain so much better than the police (too many were on deployment rotations and would never know the area like the people who had lived there all their lives).

  5. Oh yeah, I see photos of them looking near the riverbank now.

    I didn’t see that before.

  6. dd

    I think it is a reasonable guess that the police think it very likely he’s in whatever body of water the police will look in tomorrow.

    And if they wait twelve more hours, the chances of that happening increase.

  7. C.L.

    Yeah, if you happen to see a toddler alone in the area with curly black hair and a Wiggles t-shirt, that’s not him.

  8. JC

    Partridge

    What at the odds the toddler drowned? By your stupid post it sounds as though it’s perhaps 60%?

    At 40% likely he hasn’t drowned you keep on fucking searching the bush… even at night with volunteers…

  9. Aliice

    Oh god – the poor little kid is only two.
    Bloody cops whould still be looking all night.

    Jim Rose. A two year old doesnt hide for long in the backyard or pretend to run away.

    They wander away and then get lost.

  10. Aliice

    Someone should sue the department for going home tonight. I hope they do.

  11. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Aliice, yes, sheep stealing is still alive and well, at least here in the Wild West – over four hundred reported stolen in this area in the past two months.

  12. Gab

    He’s only two – he can’t cover that much ground in a short space of time.

    You obviously never had kids, SFB.

  13. Pedro the Ignorant

    Fifty two years ago a toddler got lost for four days in the NSW bush. There was a massive manhunt, for four days, involving numerous volunteers.

    They found the kid. They even made a movie about it.

    Jim, you’ll be relieved to learn that none of the volunteers got lost themselves.

    from dd.

    Hit song in the sixties about this search in the New England ranges. Some of the lyrics that are applicable today:

    ” The little town is deserted, no one walks upon the street
    for they’re combing wild bush country
    on a thousand aching feet.

    They search every hidden valley but his trail they never cross
    and their hopes are slowly fading for the little boy lost”.

    (For the record, the little fella was found alive after four days and three nights in the bush).

    You Tube of the song:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPjisfbL8_E

  14. Jim Rose

    see http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_completist/2013/05/star_trek_movies_and_tv_series_which_are_the_best_why.single.html#pagebreak_anchor_4 for a great essay on star trek in general as well as its left-wing (post-money society) politics by Matthew Yglesias

  15. C.L.

    I bet you any money the police maintain a presence at the site all night… in order to deter or arrest would-be searchers.

  16. Look, if you actually knew the terrain and location and how long he was missing before his mum and others started looking for him, there might be a legitimate point. But no one here does.

    It is entirely possible that people started looking for him so soon after he went missing that there was an effective search this afternoon of all the possible area he could have reached in that time.

    He’s 2.

  17. CL cranks it up a notch. He hates coppers.

  18. Jim Rose

    Aliice, children under 6 are the easist to find because whne it gets cold or wet, they seek shelter and rest when tired.

    adults try and think their way out of the problem: walk in circles, and exhaust themselves. it then gets dark and they have to find whet shelter where they have stopped through exhaustion.

  19. You obviously never had kids, SFB.

    Yes, sure, you blathering dill.

  20. Pedro the Ignorant

    Naturally, the police will be on the job, CL.

    http://i30.tinypic.com/spu0m1.jpg

  21. Gab

    Terrain and location

    He went missing around 10.30am from an auto workshop. He was there with his mother.

    Not sure what you are raving on about, SFB.

  22. Aliice

    Gab – you a re dead right on sfb – he has obviously never had kids. I knew a two year old son of a friend who I called ” Joshie the Bolter” because he just loved to run – thats what he did and he didnt look back at Mum either to see if she was watching ie not for attention – that was just him.

  23. Rabz MMEC VRWC

    He hates coppers.

    Well, it’s fair enough. They are absolutely fucking useless, after all.

  24. Gab

    He’s a blathering dill, Alice.

  25. Jim Rose

    see https://sites.google.com/site/sarbook1/lost-person-behaviour even has a section of the maths of search and rescue.

  26. C.L.

    see [slate] for a great essay on star trek in general as well as its left-wing (post-money society) politics by Matthew Yglesias

    Start Trek was certainly left-wing. It was pure Los Angeles, ideologically. Being left-wing, it follows that they had to INVENT a technology in order to obviate striving and markets; namely, the replicator. That said, some species prized Latinum as a currency of exchange.

  27. The “little boy lost” of the song fame was aged 4, I see.

  28. Dan

    Steve your only in your early 40’s

  29. Infidel Tiger

    The locals should form a posse, lock the wallopers up for the night and continue the search.

    Let the coppers do their thing later – fill in forms and fine people.

  30. Aliice

    Dan – better luck next time but I am getting a bit tired now. I am “olderish”. I will leave you youngsters and the night better (JC) to bet and blog into the early hours…’

    Be honest Gab – did you make heaps of money last week because JC slipped you a tip?

  31. Gab

    Terrain and location link didn’t work. Easy enough to look it up on google maps “Wharf Road, Johns River, New South Wales, Australia” and you can see that the local people are searching through. Local people – people who live in the area, SFB.

  32. Aliice

    Gab – re sfb – I keep trying to tell you guys – your trolls are poor quality.

  33. Jim Rose

    see http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/page/content.detail/id/503517/The-psychology-of-being-lost-in-the-forest.html?nav=5044

    All wilderness experts agree, if you’re lost in the woods, stay put. Trying to hike out usually gets a person into deeper woods and bigger trouble.

    One survey of experienced outdoorsmen revealed that although they are aware that staying put is the recommended course of action, they often refuse to stay in one place for any length of time, especially during the day.

    children under six stay put. adults try and hike out but in the wrong direction getting more lost

  34. Gab

    namely, the replicator

    3D printer technology is the forerunner to the replicator.

    As the iPad is the forerunner to PADDs

    🙂

  35. Jim Rose

    see http://www.united-academics.org/magazine/mind-brain/walking-in-circles/ for great photos of people told to walk in a stright line in a bush experiment.

  36. C.L.

    Steve, you only clicked in because you saw my name and then formulated a view antagonistic to mine.

    Second, you’re the person who said a woman in the US with a baby who shot a rapist intruder shouldn’t have done so.

    You preferred that she took a raping rather than chalk one up for the NRA.

    So it’s fair to say that you hate women.

  37. Gab

    Steve, you only clicked in because you saw my name and then formulated a view antagonistic to mine.

    True, he does this every day. He has a crush on you, CL.

  38. Rabz MMEC VRWC

    adults try and hike out but in the wrong direction getting more lost

    A classic example being that lobotomised labor window licker (BIRM) who got lost in da wilderness in Victoria – cant remember the imbecile’s name, but I believe he was the Minister for no water.

  39. candy

    It does sound like the police dogs may have taken searchers to the river bank.

  40. C.L.

    adults try and hike out but in the wrong direction getting more lost

    Yeah, I’m sure that’s true of one bloke in the wilderness, Jim.

    But that’s NOT WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT. We’re talking about floodlights, telephones, dozens of people acting together.

  41. Jim Rose

    star trek had both replicators and people who lived in agricultural communities. they also still signed trade treaties with other planetary systems?

    The Ferengi and their Rules of Acquisition were a satire on capitalism.

    The Ferengi were originally meant to replace the Klingons as the Federation’s arch-rival but they were too comical.

    Steven Cheung’s criticisms of communism as the only class-based society also applies to Star trek. Everyone’s rank and class in communism was defined by party membership card and party rank.

    In star trek, higher ranked officer had larger cabins and most of all they always beamed back from the planet.

    Anyone who beamed down with captain kirk who was dressed in those red tops were expendables. Death and accommodation were class based on star trek.

  42. dd

    It does sound like the police dogs may have taken searchers to the river bank.

    It’s entirely possible the worst has happened. But until that’s verified, keep searching! Don’t just shrug and book in the divers for the next working day!

  43. Pedro the Ignorant

    -31.726205,152.722921

    Google Maps co-ordinates for the search area. Cut and paste and switch to satellite view. Plenty of rugged country nearby.

  44. CL, it’s not always about you.

    dd is one who started this and I immediately thought was leaping to conclusions with no evidence.

    But your stupid comment about the police arresting searchers – well, that was stupid and comment worthy.

  45. Aliice

    Zulu

    So sheep rustling is alive and well- so you brand the lambs right? but what then if they get rustled after that? How does the brand (marker) help?

  46. Gab

    It’s entirely possible the worst has happened. But until that’s verified, keep searching! Don’t just shrug and book in the divers for the next working day!

    Absolutely! What if it was one of their kids lost in the bush? Would they just give up becuase it’s dark and cold? Utterly pathetic.

  47. dover_beach

    Tim Holding, Rabz

  48. Aliice

    Absolutely Gab. I second what dd says.
    If it was their own kid they would be fighting through the bush all night with torches and floodlights and a lot more of them and bugger certification.

  49. Infidel Tiger

    Can’t they call in the Army, or they still filling sand bags in Brisbane?

  50. C.L.

    For you, it is always about me, Steve.

    Always.

    A ‘stupid comment’ would be you saying a woman with a baby threatened by a rapist intruder should have negotiated with him rather than shooting him.

  51. dover_beach

    Look, locals searching an area they’ve lived in all their lives will not get lost as soon as it’s dark especially when acting in concert with others.

  52. Rabz MMEC VRWC

    Gee, thanks, Dover – that’s made my evening!

  53. dover_beach

    The night is young, Rabz.

  54. Gab

    Amazing with all the technology available to us today, Alice,
    along with things like coats, jumpers, gloves, torches, mobile phones, satellite phones, helicopters with searchlights, portable floodlights etc etc, but nah, it’s too cold and dark.

  55. I can’t recall the detail of what I said about the American incident you’re babbling on about CL, but I’m sure your photographic memory which never puts an interpretative and false spin on it has got it down perfectly in your summation tonight.

  56. Gab

    Imagine if it was say the NSW premier’s toddler or a Judge’s kid that got lost in the bush? Would they just stop looking foe the kid at night?

  57. C.L.

    Can’t they call in the Army, or they still filling sand bags in Brisbane?

    This weekend they’re all at a compulsory queer and transgender sensitivity training boot camp.

  58. Rabz MMEC VRWC

    Thank goodness it is, Dover.

  59. C.L.

    Steve, so far:

    CL… CL… CL… CL… CL… CL…

  60. Aliice

    Its all pretty sad and the response pretty pathetic Gab agree.

  61. C.L.

    Thank heaven for small mercies, anyway.

    Imagine if Michelle Rowland was organising the rescue.

  62. kae

    Jupes

    I have a problem with this:

    When I was five I walked about a kilometre to school on my own.

    Did we even have kilometres when you were five?

  63. Jim Rose

    see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325916/Ultra-Orthodox-Jews-protest-army-draft-destroy-way-life.html an interesting lot are ultra-orthodox: many do not recognise the state of israel for religious reasons.

  64. JC

    You’re such a douchbag, Partridge.

  65. Plenty of rugged country nearby.

    Looks flat to me, with a fair bit of cleared land around the buildings on the road. And a river and some creeks near them…

  66. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Been on a couple of searches like that. We camped out in groups of 5. Lit a fire on a high point. Three stayed with it, one tended the fire (normally the oldest/least fit or female as they actually do the best job and it’s important as they have to stay awake all night), two slept as best possible. Two walked 2000 paces out on a compass bearing, calling and listening, then back to the camp to report, then out on the next compass bearing and back. Three hours then the sleeping pair took over. Covered the circle during the night. Lost kids found on the third day – good kids, one had fallen and broken a leg, the second stayed with him. 600 odd volunteers in the search and 3 district coppers coordinating with the older landowners who knew every inch of the range.

    I’ll bet pounds to peanuts that the locals are out and will be all night. I would be.

  67. dd

    It does sound like the police dogs may have taken searchers to the river bank.

    How accurate are police search dogs? Well, if they’re anything like drug sniffer dogs, not very accurate at all. But hey, if “the dogs” led them to the river bank, then I guess that’s as good an excuse as any to knock off and head to the pub for ‘beer o clock.’

  68. JC

    Honestly is this heaven? Have I died and gone straight to heaven where US stocks only ever go up and never stop?

    I keep pinching myself and have a bruise now.

    This has to be the greatest run in stocks for all time. Kidding, but not by much.

  69. Just admit it dd: you don’t know the circumstances here, and you’re just on a Catallaxy “this darn lazy nanny state influence on community today” evidence free whinge.

  70. Aliice

    Kae

    there is nothing to stop a mature Jupes converting miles to kilometres as an adult but still walking ks to school as a kid. I did as well. Wasnt that unusual in gens before the protective Mum mobile.

    You seem dubious?

  71. Aliice

    sfb – there is now a nanny state interference and it is getting to be a total pain in the bum in a micro managing sense and we dont need it.

  72. dd

    Just admit it dd: you don’t know the circumstances here, and you’re just on a Catallaxy “this darn lazy nanny state influence on community today” evidence free whinge.

    Sure, I’m on a whinge on roughly that topic, but it’s not ‘evidence free.’

    There’s no excuse for calling off the search on day one when the entire search area can only be a few square kilometers at most.

  73. dd

    I’ll bet pounds to peanuts that the locals are out and will be all night.

    No, they’re not. That’s the whole point. Search for missing NSW boy suspended.

  74. Dan

    Mick of GC, are still watching Candice Golver on idol?

  75. The “evidence free” aspect is that you don’t know exactly what was behind the decision to stop the search tonight!

  76. kae

    mAlice

    I’ve had a shit of a day, and a bastard of a week.

    The kilometres in the old days thing was a bloody joke you idiot.

  77. C.L.

    Steve knows all about Mrs Santorum’s sexual proclivities but cautions against getting ahead of ourselves regarding a search called off because it’s too dark.

  78. kae

    Hey, these new drugs are good aren’t they.

    Like, almost sane these days.

  79. kae

    Mk50

    Was the search in NSW? Did it involve the NSW VRA? (Green helmets.)

  80. Gab

    you don’t know exactly what was behind the decision to stop the search tonight!

    The screaming headline says stopped due to “poor light”!

  81. And media reports are always full of sufficient detail so that readers know exactly what’s gone on!

    (The exclamation mark is a mocking copy, in case you didn’t know.)

  82. Gab

    Well, yes my exclamation was a mocking copy of yours!! You obviously missed that.
    😀

  83. dover_beach

    We need to know ‘exactly’ what’s going on before commenting, peoples.

  84. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    My firstborn was a bolter. He could easily have done two or three wandering km’s aged two as he had excellent physique but some cognitive limitations that made him unusually prone to drifting and flight. Also, when a two-year old is exhausted and frightened they curl up and hide, perhaps in a state of fugue. He has some chance still of being alive. It is very wrong that the search is not continuing through the night for this little mite in his doggie jumper. Heartbreaking.

  85. Hey, it’s “International Day Against Homophobia”.

    This blog’s threads are fertile ground for some workshops.

  86. Infidel Tiger

    Hey, it’s “International Day Against Homophobia”.

    This blog’s threads are fertile ground for some workshops.

    Stick it up your arse.

  87. Huckleberry Chunkwot Minion & Executioner VRWC. BDS.

    Stick it up your arse.

    Unfortunately IT, Steve already has that space occupied by his famous butt plug.

  88. Has anyone here ever told their kid not to use “gay” as a taunt or insult?

  89. C.L.

    We need to know ‘exactly’ what’s going on before commenting, peoples.

    Steve, for example, telephoned Mrs Santorum to ask her if she really was the slut he later claimed she was.

  90. Dan

    Steve, are you on another 48 hr catallaxy bender?

  91. CL, I have never called any woman a slut. I think it is anachronistic and has heavily sexist connotations.

  92. Tiny Dancer

    Steve, you loved the slut talk about Santorum. You brought it here and ran with it. Own it boxhead

  93. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Da Hairy Ape watching ‘The Illusionist’ on TV. He’s already seen it on a plane and I am not interested a nineteenth-century set piece. Tried Anna Karenina on the way to Singapore and lasted five minutes. Thought the sound was not working but flight attendant said they just weren’t making any speech sound. It was that bad. All gloomy train-clanking noises and dark Russian anticipations of her eventual tragic demise.

    Whoo, they just had a sex scene in his movie..

    Was that the illusionist? I asked him, out of companionable interest. (I am lying warm in bed, he is in a chair. We are in a resort where fancies may well be said to turn to …)

    No Mavourneen, that was real , he replies seriously.

    LOL

    I am turning over and going to sleep.

    I think he has had quite a difficult week too, Kae.

  94. Squawkbox

    In honour of anti-homophobia day, I offer you this thoughtful video from Not the Nine O’clock News, which a fan like SfB should especially appreciate.

    Link

  95. It was the most consistently funny topical sketch show ever…

  96. dd

    On consideration, I take back the admission to getting wires crossed. The contemptible decisions made in the search for the missing boy are exactly because of the professionalisation of things that were once done on a volunteer basis.

    There was a time when search, rescue, emergency response were run by volunteers. Bring those days back. Putting people on salary doesn’t actually improve anything; all it does is cost money and create a new set of clockwatchers.

  97. Not too many volunteers have search and rescue helicopters in their backyard, though, dd.

  98. Jim Rose

    . Putting people on salary doesn’t actually improve anything; all it does is cost money and create a new set of clockwatchers.

    were they any better at finding people?

    do you have issues with professional fire fighters too?

  99. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Drama! HIA just went over to the drinks area to pour himself another nice Tassie Pinot Noir.

    Hey look at dis, Lizzie, he exclaims, dumping a packet of biscuits on our bed. Ants, he tells me with interest in his tone.

    Suddenly the bedcover is crawling with little black ants. Aargh. I leap out, grab the the packet up and toss it into the bathroom sink.

    Did you have to show me like that? I snap at him. Just look at the bed. There are ants everywhere.

    I race for a wet towel and start to swoop them up. He’s back at his movie.

    D’on fuss, Lizzie, he says. Dey will go away.

    They will go away? I want ants crawling over me all night?

    These are real not illusionary, I yelp at him. I finally mop them all up and complete the process by drowning them.

    You would make a bad Buddhist, Lizzie, he sympathises.

    Come to Tassie, feel the wildlife, I say under my breath.

    Insects. Perhaps they are taking to heart in this green heartland the recent UN instruction that we should start eating them.

  100. Fisky

    Has anyone here ever told their kid not to use “gay” as a taunt or insult?

    I think we should take a nuanced approach to the issue. It is of course totally wrong and out of order to abuse gay people for being gay, and I am a strong supporter of homosexual marriage. But we should also be realistic about the very serious health problems that are caused by sodomy, an inherently unsafe activity, and not shy away from warning people of the deadly risks entailed irrespective of our support for gay rights.

  101. Jim Rose

    DD, I should add that the state emergency services are volunteer organisations

  102. dd

    do you have issues with professional fire fighters too?

    I don’t have “issues” with them.

    But Australians used to do all this stuff for free. now we spend several billion dollars a year on it, and when the shit hits the fan the life of a lost boy is in the hand of a bunch of second rate loafers who are afraid of the cold.

  103. dd

    Jim, it sounds like you like to trust everything to strong men in uniforms. If that’s your gig then that’s fine. I prefer the community to be empowered to look after itself.

  104. Would you like a “mutual m*sturbation, if you must, gay teens” campaign in school sex education, fisk?

  105. Jim Rose

    DD, I prefer to know what they are doing. there are a long histry of volunteer fire and rescue services. they train and they get hold of the right equipment.

  106. Infidel Tiger

    There’s plenty of things gays can do that don’t involve sodomy. Scrapbooking and sudoku immediately spring to mind.

  107. JC

    Has anyone here ever told their kid not to use “gay” as a taunt or insult?

    I taught my kids that it would be wrong to single out homosexuals or any minority groups and abuse them. So yes, Fuckface some of us have done that.

    As for gay… since when has the word been an exclusive domain?

    I think you’re very very gay. However I don’t use the word to describe your sexual leanings.. as if I care what you do.

  108. Fisky

    Would you like a “mutual m*sturbation, if you must, gay teens” campaign in school sex education, fisk?

    Of course, we ought not to tell people that sodomy is completely out of the question, but as Roxonites, it is important that we make them fully aware of the health risks. They must be told, just as they are taught about the hazards of smoking, that regular sodomy leads to far higher rates of anal cancer, incontinence, HIV and countless other ailments. In fact, the greatest threat to homosexuals is inconsistent Roxonites who are anti-lung cancer but pro-haemorrhoids.

  109. Tintarella di Luna

    …the greatest threat to homosexuals is inconsistent Roxonites who are anti-lung cancer but pro-haemorrhoids.

    Comment of the evening. Thank you Fisky

  110. stackja

    Missing toddler found alive in dense bushland
    A ground and air search failed to locate the boy and was suspended at nightfall.
    However, volunteers who continued searching after dark found him in dense bushland early this morning .

  111. Jim Rose

    Abbott plans a double-dissolution in five months if the senate blocks the repeal of the carbon tax. interesting.

    Someone will have to blink in Labor to avoid another drubbing at the polls.

  112. stackja

    Enemy Coast Ahead
    Enemy Coast Ahead is an autobiographical book recounting the World War II flying career of Wing Commander Guy Gibson VC, DSO, DFC. It covers his time in RAF Bomber Command from the very earliest days of war in 1939 through to 1943.
    In the copy I have Gibson did not mention by name Wallis.

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