Paul Murray on Menugate

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  1. Arnost

    The issue is that this has gone viral around the world – see Tim Blair:
    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/epic_quail/

    And I’d bet that nowhere in the world will there be a story that it’s a set up – private joke from three months ago used right after a “misogyny” speech to embarrass the opposition.

    This is nothing but a cynical attempt to discredit Abbott internationally – somehow hoping that low infernational opinion will make him unectable. And why it was used now rather than during the election campaign.

  2. dd

    So far, Gillard is winning this stoush. It’s the misogyny speech redux.

    There was an offensive menu, Hockey’s involved, and the Coalition are tasteless, crude, sexist pigs.
    Message …. target… bullseye.

  3. Matt

    So far, Gillard is winning this stoush.

    Yep. Expect more of it. There will be a little war-chest of items such as these. Copies of racist tweets made by acquaintances of Coalition candidates, recollections of bullying by current Coalition front benchers from their high school days 30 years ago etc. etc.

    The denials and disavowals do nothing except keep the story in the media and the Coalition on the back foot.

    The ALP have nothing else to run on, this is all they have. So they will push the smears all the way.

  4. Tom

    So your thesis, DD, is the same as the left’s: most people are stupid and will swallow any old bullshit they’re fed. My reading is that, in the past week, the Lying Slapper is bleeding support because most people have had it confirmed she is not a suitable person to have as prime minister.

  5. Ant

    I can’t get over Lateline’s take on this last night. It was an utter disgrace.

    Even as they had information that the whole ‘scandal’ was a concocted joke and a farce being run hard by a desperate and opportunistic Gillard, the ABC persisted with making fools of themselves trying to pretend that Abbott and Brough had something to answer for, giving that twit Plibersek endless air time to spew her rancid garbage.

    I suppose that’s the whole point – kicking goals for Labor.

    It reminds me of how the media dealt with the Australia Day race riot.

    Outrage at first when they thought they had Abbott cornered as its instigator but then, suddenly, it was a non-event when it became clear that Gillard’s office had in fact been the guilty party. This included shipping one of their operatives, Tony Hodges, off to the UK on a kind of perpetrator protection program.

    We still have very little idea as to how the whole thing unfolded. And did it blow up in their faces, as indeed it should have? No. The media control the message. They’re Labor’s great facilitators and enablers, turning the outrage and praise taps on and off as they deem appropriate to suit their sick Leftist agenda.

    This is propaganda and it’s very effective. Not for the people who are into politics like followers of this blog. But for the millions of ‘low information’ voters it frames perceptions and casts doubts and it’s what got Gillard’s shambles of a government over the line 3 years ago. (Needless to say, it got Obama over the line in the US last year when his own deeply deceptive and destructive administration should never have even been a serious contender.)

    Today The Age couldn’t even be bothered putting this stupid menu story on their front couple of pages – going instead with the McKay murder which is well over 3 decades old. Last night right up to the time I switched off, it still was running the menu story hard.

    A case of damage to Abbott done; and again time to move on.

  6. Snoopy

    I can’t get over Lateline’s take on this last night. It was an utter disgrace.

    Yes, but the Greeks have the solution.

  7. caveman

    Gillard aint winning shit she and her band of fukwits end is neigh.

  8. Megan

    And the sooner the Greek solution is implemented here, the better.

  9. dd

    So your thesis, DD, is the same as the left’s: most people are stupid and will swallow any old bullshit they’re fed.

    No, I don’t think that “people are stupid”. The democratic process works okay, but let’s face it, people often do swallow bullshit.

    I was just calling the score at half-time. After this thing is played out, it may well be a negative for Gillard. Depends on how much blowback there is today.

  10. dd

    Great rant by Murray, by the way. And good work by Blair at Arnost’s link.

  11. Empire Strikes Back

    Ra ra ra.

    Does anyone seriously believe that this non issue will change one single vote that counts? No.

    The purpose of this beat up is simply to distract from other issues that will change votes (away from the ALP). It is a pure defensive play, the correct response to which is offence.

    A tasteless (but humorous) gag at a party political fundraiser verses anaemic growth and rising unemployment? Get with the program people, don’t give this shit any air and stay busy subtly reminding every swing voter you know about the consequences of another 3 years of feckless socialism.

  12. stackja

    The gullible seem to believe it all. How many gullibles vote? Come September we will know.

  13. Ellen of Tasmania

    The media control the message.

    “People almost always arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of proof but on the basis of what they find attractive.” (Blaise Pascal)

  14. James in Melbourne

    Ah, grasshoppers, at one time I too would rail about the ABC/SBS/Fauxfacts self-missioning as ALP enablers, apologists, filterers, launderers, rubbish-bin-fossickers, standover merchants and general sycophants.

    And then the penny dropped.

    That they do this so shamelessly and reflexively and constantly actually destroys Labor.

    It simply reinforces the inner-city public-purse-raiding self-proclaimed-elite echo-chamber virtuous-circle into which Labor – seeing that it is feted as wonderful – continually preaches, in a self-reflecting loop.

    It is actually a beautiful thing, because it guarantees that Labor is always mistaking the adulation of the rusted-on few for the voice of the multitudes. Moreover, everything that Labor does is designed to mainline the heady intoxication of the orgiastic positive feedback from its delusional echo chamber – not seeing that this inexorably alienates it ever further from mainstream Australia, who are only, you know, the voters.

    That’s why I love Their ABC. It is killing its host slowly from the inside, while simultaneously killing itself, in a symbiotic death trap.

    Goodbye to both, we will miss you.

  15. Tom

    let’s face it, people often do swallow bullshit.

    So you believe people are essentially stupid, DD.

    Sorry, I’m not being a smart-arse. But I do believe that most people have excellent bullshitometers when it comes to politics — it’s embedded in Australian culture — and they’ve never been so articulate. I believe the net result of this week’s politics is that the Lying Slapper has been further damaged by her own incompetence.

  16. Leo G

    ”And now we have Mr Hockey and Mr Brough hosting a function with this grossly offensive menu on display. Join the dots.” – Julia Gillard

    I’ve joined the dots and Julia Gillard still appears dotty.

  17. Steve Turner

    Spot on Ant. ABC 24 for the first time that I am aware of, actually broke into a press club address, not for some momentous event, as would be expected, but to run a press conference from a snarling Craig Emerson claiming the LNP are bigots. Still, it was only Peter Anderson from a business group so not important. Truely pathetic.
    As for Lateline, Tom Iggulden, one of the few jounalist to bring up the foul union dinner joke about Peta Credlin having sex with Abbott, actually stated that the joke was about Abbott, no mention of Credlin or that the dinner was attended by Labor Ministers.

  18. dd

    So you believe people are essentially stupid, DD.

    No. I don’t think that, and agree with you that people tend to have excellent bullshit meters.

    However I am thinking back to the misogyny speech; that whole sequence of events should have been an unambiguous win for Abbott, yet Gillard came out on top because her emotional denunciation of Abbott went viral and people took it at face value.

    Here we have a meme – a photo of a menu that is a terrible indictment for the Coalition. Its veracity was accepted and promoted by the media and by the prime minister herself. For some, that’s enough. Also, leaving the swinging voters aside, the left-wing Labor base believe it, and it’s got them fired up and passionate against Abbott again.

  19. dd

    I believe the net result of this week’s politics is that the Lying Slapper has been further damaged by her own incompetence.

    You might very well be right. Today will be the decider.

  20. candy

    The only people who lap this up are the usual Labor supporters., some of whom have very vulnerable minds.

    Everyone else can see Ms Gillard is telling more porkies. She’s trying to suggest Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott saw and heartily approved of the menu and have been laughing about it for months or something.

  21. Andrew

    caveman
    #883778, posted on June 13, 2013 at 9:31 am
    Gillard aint winning shit she and her band of fukwits end is neigh.

    End? Neigh? Are you suggesting she’s a horse’s arse?

  22. CD

    Last night they had a compliant ABC and media of the left.
    Today the airwaves take over.

    I’ll let today take its course and wage a bet that the airwaves will win dd.
    They’re merciless and I find they work on actual facts not fauxfacts more often than the left.

  23. cohenite

    Gillard is a bad dish. If I saw her on the menu I would leave the restaurant immediately

  24. wal1957

    Meanwhile, who is running the country?

    Gillard is more sexist than most males I know…. She is probably the dumbest female I know as well!

  25. Great rant by Murray, excellent example of turning the attack back on the opponent. No questions over who he’s going to vote for!

    Gillard aint winning shit… end is neigh.

    Gillard is going to turn into a horse?

  26. Ant

    Unfortunately, a lot of people, if not most, do not have excellent bullshitometers – unless they focus them on stuff they’re genuinely interested in.

    If they had their bullshitometers even partly tuned into politics there is no fricken way Gillard would be PM today, is there? – let alone that insufferable arse pony Rudd in ’07. And the rest of us, who have their bullshitometer calibrated regularly with an ultra sharp tuning fork, wouldn’t be forced to live with the consequences now.

    Obama’s re-election was a watershed moment for me. I bet money on Romney winning it, so convinced was I that there was no way the Americans could possibly re-elect such a “one man wrecking ball”.

    But then I underestimated the capacity for the Left to exploit the weaknesses in the presidential election system to massively target the most gullible, the most vulnerable and least informed for votes, at the expense of the productive and generally well informed who keep that country together with their work and high sense of responsibility.

    BTW, Labor haven’t missed it. That’s why they’re going hard with the ‘War on Women’ thing (Obama’s term) and brought up abortion, seemingly from out of nowhere. It was carefully and skillfully orchestrated into a big issue in the US last year.

    Labor can’t run on their economic or national interest record because they are a disaster – just like Obama’s.

    Gillard is deliberately scratching around for issues on which to divide us in the attempt to scratch up votes from the dumbest amongst us.

    And let’s face it, there are a lot of bloody stupid people out there. And Jock McTernan knows it.

    They really are that despicable.

  27. caveman

    “End? Neigh? Are you suggesting she’s a horse’s arse?”
    Spelling mistake, I dont want to insult any horses out there.

  28. It’s a pity that people who know the full story and must know quite clearly there is no direct connection between this menu and ministers/senators in the Liberal Party are continuing to run tweets/facebook posts/etc implying a connection between the Libs and the menu. It’s an excellent way of missing the point.

  29. val majkus

    Speaking as a woman I find feministic whining to be demeaning to women and unfair to men
    It implies that women are not equal to men
    That’s not been my experience

  30. .

    I’m surprised that DD thinks the “sexism card” still works.

    I think the only ones pushing it are an echo chamber. Come September after a winter power bill, the pressing issue on the minds of pensioners, students, workers, families and industrialists will be “get rid of the bloody carbon tax”.

  31. brc

    chamber. Come September after a winter power bill, the pressing issue on the minds of pensioners, students, workers, families and industrialists will be “get rid of the bloody carbon tax”.

    No no no, all wrong. The resident cat sage said that after a hot summer people would love tha carbonic tax and vote for Gillard in droves. That effect is just about to kick in… Any day now…

  32. cohenite

    Speaking as a woman

    That I did not know.

    Good for you val.

  33. Tom

    Sinc, The link to the Murray rant is broken. I’d really like to watch it. Is it possible to re-import it?

  34. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Yes, me too, Val. Speaking as a woman (surprise everyone! 🙂 ) I find Gillard despicable.
    And very sexist.

    Next Newspoll will tell us something of our fellow Australians. Can they spot real sexism?

  35. Sinclair Davidson

    Tom – works for me.

  36. Chris M

    Gillard is trawling to snatch any low-information voters out there.

  37. Tom

    Thanks, Sinc. Sorry to bother you.

  38. Lucie

    Speaking as a woman, I find McTernan/Gillard’s cynical, manipulative “feministic whining” an insult to all of us, men and women. Yes, our First Female PM is a sexist and a sell-out and a fake. Pals with Kyle Sandilands. I don’t think speaking up for a woman’s perspective in any instance is “feministic whining”, though. Men and women might be equal, but we’re different and vive la difference.

  39. DMS

    Thanks Sinc – didn’t work embedded for me either (usually they do)

  40. Tom

    Gillard is trawling to snatch any low-information voters out there.

    This is what the nation’s biggest opinion poll, released on Tuesday, was saying before McSporran pulled his latest stunt:

    Last weekend’s Morgan Poll shows support for the L-NP at 56%, up 1% in a week (since May 31-June 2, 2013) cf. ALP 44% (down 1%) on a two-party preferred basis according to the multi-mode weekly Morgan Poll.

    The L-NP primary vote is 46% (up 0.5%) now further ahead of the ALP 31% (down 0.5%). Among the minor parties Greens support is 9.5% (unchanged) and support for Independents/ Others is 13.5% (unchanged). Support for Katter’s Australian Party is 3% while support for the Palmer United Party is 2.5%.

    If a Federal Election were held today the L-NP would win the election easily according to today’s multi-mode weekly Morgan Poll on Federal voting intention, June 7-10, 2013 with an Australia-wide cross-section of 3,369 Australian electors aged 18+.

    Add a minimum of 7% to the L-NP’s 2PP and you have 63%; none of the independent/others protest vote is going back to Labor; the non-Green protest vote in 2010 was 6.6%. The protest vote this year in a highly polarised electorate is likely to be smaller — perhaps 4.5-5.5%

    If McSporran picks up a percentage point of 2PP from low-information voters as a result of this week’s propaganda war, how will he retain it?

    I’m tipping a record 15%+ swing and a McSporran wipeout. I don’t think imported issue-baiting works in a compulsory voting jurisdiction.

  41. val majkus

    That I did not know.

    Hi cohenite, indeed and it’s made no difference in our various communications and if you had known I would have hoped our various communications would have been just as friendly
    I use val because it’s simpler than Valerie
    not to be misleading
    But the point is that a man and a woman can communicate as equals; there is a professional world where gender does not matter
    for that other world – there’s the anti discrimination legislation

  42. struth

    This is embarrassing for Australia. Labor work on the politically ignorant and hope that they just hear enough to be dangerous. I wonder if voting was not compulsory whether this sort of thing would get such a run. We are making a fool of ourselves internationally,and we are the only democracy with compulsory voting……. The scum politicians play to the politically indifferent and politically ignorant. People have a right not to follow all this trash, so they should not be made to vote.

  43. Lucie

    Interesting point, Val. You hope it wouldn’t have made a difference to your communications, but I think knowing the differences between two speakers does often colour the communications – men wouldn’t get so immediately offensive-defensive speaking to a woman on the one hand, and women wouldn’t be so readily offended on the other, if it made no difference at all who was doing the speaking. Isn’t that why so many women authors have used male pseudonyms or just initials – to take advantage of the seriousness accorded by the default assumption of male gender? Of course the stuff women write – in things like the Fairfax daily life, Mamamia blogs, chicklit etc, doesn’t help.

    God, I am sounding like a lefty feminist, aren’t I? Curse you McTernan-Gillard! Curse your Celtic cotton socks! (That’s not heritageist, because I have Celtic blood too.)

  44. val majkus

    but I think knowing the differences between two speakers does often colour the communications – men wouldn’t get so immediately offensive-defensive speaking to a woman on the one hand, and women wouldn’t be so readily offended on the other, if it made no difference at all who was doing the speaking.

    Lizzie, I understand what you’re saying but … that world is a manufactured or stage crafted world
    In the real world where jobs get done there is far more equality than that IMHO

  45. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I am sounding like a lefty feminist, aren’t I?

    No, Lucie. Not at all. You are just expressing some realities about communication that may exist at times. Strange as it may seem to outsiders, this is one of the least sexist environments I’ve ever been in. Most men here go out of their way to see a woman as an equal contributor. Anyone out of order soon gets called out by us, or them. We are da toughie girlies here. All the guys are good guys for us. 🙂

  46. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Val, I think you were responding to Lucie, not to me.

  47. val majkus

    Yes, Lizzie … abject apologies

  48. Ros

    DD suggests that today will be the decider. Certainly is for Wayne. Asked today if he believed that Mr Richards was lying he said yes. I find it extremely unlikely that the ALP spin machine and Wayne don’t know that Brough and Hockey did not see the menu. So one thing that is decided today is that they really are morally bankrupt.

    But I think that today has indeed made it clear that the yarn which Wayne and Julia and the very few other Labor MPs are selling, that the menu was passed around and that Joe Richards Brough and Hockey have conspired to deny a truth, that they saw and snickered at an offensive joke. There are a number of obvious problems with their story, including they are offering as evidence of misdeeds on the part of these 3 is proved by the lack of evidence.

    And the lack of evidence is in fact quite important in shooting down the conspiracy to be sleazes being advanced. Because this conspiracy cannot be limited to just these 3. There were 20/30 people at the dinner. And not one of them has broken ranks to declare that the menu was circulated at the dinner. For Wayne and Julia to be right this has to be a conpiracy between 20/30 people. Seriously? I don’t think so. That this does not occur to any of the journos still suggesting that the lack of proof of bad behaviour is proof of bad behaviour is concerning. Are they bereft of intellect.

    That those present are not choosing to step forward and expose themselves to the venom of the grand bully by declaring there was no obscene menu passed around is not surprising.

    In fact I would suggest that Mal Brough has had a bad trot from his friends as well as enemies in this bizarre nasty concocted event. That it has not occurred to any journos that Mal Brough did not choose to immediately hang out Mr Richards to be slaughtered when he became aware of the “scandal” was quite honourable of him, even with the many and varied attacks on his intelligence and integrity, again by many who should have had more sense, says a lot about the moral compasses of those journos.

    The only possible explanation for the lack of evidence from the dinner guests is that Joe Richards showed it to Mal Brough and Joe Hockey privately and they then had a private chuckle. This is, to use Swan’s word for it is the case that they did behave thus, inconceivable.

  49. Robbie

    What you have to keep in perspective is the point that the Laborites know that they are going to lose the election, so to them it doesn’t matter how much sh*t they spread, whether it be true/false/out of date/imaginary/postulated. The object is to make the LNP look dirty, not just to the voters but to o/s people as well. Anything is fair game, no matter how much damage it does to the image of the parliament and the office of the Prime Minister. Distract the populace from how much of a mess they have made of our country and economy.
    They are like the people that trash public housing and then run away (and let other people clean up the mess), while screaming and ranting about how bad is public housing. A large number of the ALP members know that they are history so they don’t care how much of a mess they make of the institution, as long as the incoming government has to try to govern and spend energy trying to clean up the image of the politician. Meanwhile, they will go and sulk in the corner, lick their wounds and reform the decimated party, ready for the next election when they will try to paint themselves as the new, good, clean guys.
    This is all about how much damage they can do, for now.

  50. Lucie

    Thanks, Lizzie. It’s just one of those things – thanks to the extremism of feminism (which has wrought changes some of us never wanted) men are often automatically on the defensive when these topics are discussed, and a woman who voices an objection to playing down derogatory references to genitalia in public is up against the immediate imputation of “hairy-armpitted feminist” beliefs or priggishness. Even here, people implied I was branding all male thought a crime, or denying that sexism cuts both ways, or unaware of ruff’n’tuff union gal, JG’s rank hypocrisy. Good to know it’s not a sexist site, though.

    Val, I agree re professional office based talk – there it’s one mind to another as equals (outdoors jobs, not so sure). But when it comes to the personal, I don’t think we can pretend that we’re not all often guilty of reacting reflexively from the point of view of our “tribe” – sex, race etc. Or overcompensating by branding the utterance of another person of the same race “racist” when the person didn’t have a racist thought in her head. Or, as a woman, insisting that women should be tougher than they naturally are, like one of the boys, if they expect equality of any sort. When we’re generally far more sensitive than men – and what’s wrong with that?

  51. mct

    I don’t think imported issue-baiting works in a compulsory voting jurisdiction.

    Well said, Tom.

    The odd thing is that they seem not to have considered this, when it stood out like the proverbial for mine. Issue baiting appeals to the base (“get out the vote”). If the base pretty much has to vote, what on Earth is the point?

  52. val majkus

    When we’re generally far more sensitive than men – and what’s wrong with that?

    but Lucie is that true? I’m no psychologist so checked on google

    Women have been stereotypically defined as being more emotional than men. In popular culture, women are depicted as being more emotionally volatile, often erupting into fits of sadness, anger, despair or jealousy much more frequently than their male counterparts. But is this portrayal scientifically accurate?

    The result?

    Else-Quest concluded by saying that even though women had minimally elevated levels of guilt and shame, the men and women reported levels of pride and embarrassment that were virtually identical. She added, “These findings contribute to the literature demonstrating that blanket stereotypes about women’s greater emotionality are inaccurate.”

    I’ve worked in many different environments – from outback Queensland, to inner city Sydney, to Croatia, to inland New South Wales and the men I’ve met and interacted with have been wonderful
    I know there are sexist men and there are sexist women, it’s the stereotyping I disapprove of because it puts men on an unequal footing and how fair is that
    We’re all human after all

  53. Lucie

    Val, I don’t agree with blanket stereotyping, either. But stereotypes exist for a reason – because there is some truth in them. And I did try to be careful to use words like “generally” etc.

    In my experience women are more emotional than men. Yes. I think most men would agree with that. Funnily enough, it’s one of the reasons I – again, generally – enjoy working with men more than women. For the contrast, the balance. There again – I’m having to say that I don’t dislike men, I know there are plenty of wonderful men! And men can show as much, if not more, tenderness and sensitivity than women in certain situations. Agree completely.

  54. Catfeesh?

    Andrew

    #883843, posted on June 13, 2013 at 10:10 am

    caveman
    #883778, posted on June 13, 2013 at 9:31 am
    Gillard aint winning shit she and her band of fukwits end is neigh.

    End? Neigh? Are you suggesting she’s a horse’s arse?

    I find the misequiny on this blog disgusting.

  55. val majkus

    Lucie then we’re birds of a feather! And for both men and women the work place is no place for emotion

  56. iamok

    Liking Paul Murray more and more. Great stuff.

    Gillard’s Goose is cooked. And her with him.

  57. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Lucy, I’ve been coming here for years, not without some occasional objections to my mode of commenting, although I have my supporters too. I have found that on this fun site it doesn’t pay to be too worried about other people’s reactions to you. It is a bit rough and tumble at times. Always stand up for yourself. That is what is expected. Good to see you catching on to this and stating your case. Way to go.

    Personally, Val, I think women do have many more moods and ups and downs than men do and I wonder how well-designed and controlled those ‘studies’ were; there is an awful lot of bad, non-randomised and uncontrolled research around in the softer fields of social psychology, often pushing feminist barrows, than is found in medical epidemiology. Men however do have their own, different, types of moodiness.

    It’s hormonal. I’ve been on contraceptive pills that make me feel spotty with bad hair and others that make me feel a perfect pink princess. Before having kids I had some PMT and menstrual pain that could cripple me, now I am physically well-ordered and the PMT is just marginally annoying, not cup-throwingly so. Women cycle, and I am not talking bicycles. When I am pregnant I am perfectly oestrogenically zen and content.

    I am by no means unusual in these fluctuations. Many women have them, some more than others. I think the thing is to understand your body and its moods and occasions and use your drive, sense of control and common sense to ensure that these emotional and/or physical things don’t spill over into your work life. We are not men. I think we do need to recognise our differences as women. I neither expect nor want men to relate to me as they do to a man. I am a woman doing a job, and if I am doing it well, that is good. I expect to be able to do it well, just as any man does, although I would not chose work that unsuitable for me, even if it was suitable for another woman.

    That said, important too is the fact that not all differences between people are those of gender.

  58. Lucie

    Quite right, Lizzie. You certainly wouldn’t want to worry about reactions here – summary dismissal with a serve of abuse on the side from some, for voicing an opinion that doesn’t coincide! Turns out it’s not just the Left that’s like that. I guess it’s just the nature of the beast with this sort of ‘rolling comment exchange’ – people get all riled up about issues and ready to pounce on anything, mindlessly. C’est la vie.

  59. Jim Rose

    does anyone remember the great BBC cult TV show drop the dead donkey.

    the show told many an off-color joke, to say the least, about thatcher, such as how she made a living when she might have been homeless and living in a privatised cardboard box.

  60. Token

    You certainly wouldn’t want to worry about reactions here – summary dismissal with a serve of abuse on the side from some, for voicing an opinion that doesn’t coincide! Turns out it’s not just the Left that’s like that.

    Take the hint provided by Lizzie. Once you disgard the need to be loved by all and trust that if your argument has intellectual and logical consistency, you will enjoy your time here.

    does anyone remember the great BBC cult TV show drop the dead donkey.

    Magnificent satire which really cut into John Major and the limp Labour-lite band who took down the Iron Lady.

  61. .

    You know what Jim

    You’re a smart bloke but I wonder if you realise the same joke could be made about people at the BBC complaining about Thatcher.

  62. Jim Rose

    the show was also a satire on TV news shows and televison news personalities, young and old

  63. .

    That is probably the best thing that Mitchell and Webb do now.

  64. Lucie

    Yes, sir/ma’am, Token. I didn’t need your direction to the “hint”. Objecting to mindless abuse/attack doesn’t equate to “the need to be loved by all”. Some other people might grow up and let go of their need to be perpetually angry and judgmental of anyone who doesn’t echo their opinion. I enjoy the articles here, by people like Steve Kates, Alan Moran…Samuel J seems very fair-minded…but a lot of the commenting is nothing more than juvenile abuse. If I’m wrong or out-of-touch on this, then maybe we do have the government we deserve. No better than totalitarian lefties.

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