ABC still pushing menugate

One of the arguments for a public broadcaster is that the public need to have an unbiased source of news and information. As if government ownership could guarantee such a thing. It is instructive therefore to observe how the ABC dealt with the menugate scandal. I think the answer is “very poorly”. Indeed we recall how badly they dealt with the Gillard coup in 2010.

Anyway the Australian has the story:

THE ABC failed to alter its reporting to reflect the dramatic change in the “menu” scandal story as the substance behind the claims fell away on Wednesday evening.

While other media outlets chose to report that restaurant owner Joe Richards had mocked-up the menu himself, and that it was seen only by him and his son, the ABC’s Leigh Sales still led her introduction to 7.30 with the “shocking sexist misstep by a prominent Coalition MP”.

This was despite the 7pm bulletin containing a reference to the new confession at the end of its first item as the news broke.

Hours later, Lateline’s Emma Alberici also led the program with the old story.

But it was persistent and misleading tweets from the ABC’s Latika Bourke which contributed to confusion about the timeline.

Mr Brough also said he thought it “extraordinary” that the ABC largely ignored the new information.

Okay – the most obvious excuse is that the ABC had pre-recorded the whole evenings news and everyone had gone home. But is that true? Probably not. It is certainly not the case that the news broke too late for the ABC to report it. It could well be that the line the ABC takes is determined in advance and the people who make that decision had gone home (and switched off their phones). That is plausible – after all the ABC is a government bureaucracy and this is a classic example of sluggish response to new information that bedevils all bureaucratic organisations. Contrast that with private sector organisations that responded much more quickly to the new information.

The other explanation is just old fashioned bias. That is on display too. Take, for example, the op-ed published today on the Drum by Barrie Cassidy.

The explanation however, raised several points. Firstly, why then did Mal Brough personally apologise for something that he now says, didn’t happen. That is, the menu was not circulated. Secondly, why did it take so long for the explanation to emerge? And finally how plausible is it anyway, that somebody would go to so much trouble producing such elaborate material just for the amusement of a few kitchen hands?

What does he mean, “why did it take so long”? The menugate story collapsed within hours of it breaking. So quickly, in fact, that his own organisation couldn’t or wouldn’t keep up with the breaking news.

I think we have just seen one of the “better” arguments for public ownership of the ABC collapse along with the PM’s gender war.

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69 Responses to ABC still pushing menugate

  1. Gibbo

    On Triple M Sydney this morning it was reported that Mal Brough had said “I don’t know if we did it but it’s the sort of thing we’d do”. Complete fabrication designed to spread the sear further.
    I hope he sues the guts out of them

  2. Lloyd

    Lawfare is the only thing these cretins understand and fear, distasteful as that might be.

  3. Rob

    Barrie Cassidy has no credibility and should be treated accordingly.
    Of Australia’s Prime Ministers over the last 50 years, non have demeaned the office as much as the incessant media tart Rudd and the overly ambitious but totally incompetent, stubborn, defiant, man-hating, cat wailing, combative, and abusive Gillard.
    We now have a very low bar in terms of respect for our Federal Parliamentary representatives.
    Hopefully an Abbott team in office will be able to redeem what should be a vital and healthy level of respect for the processes of government that affect us all.

  4. Supplice

    Wouldn’t be the first time that the ABC has been very, very late to breaking news. What the hell’s the point of their 24 hour channel if not to be on top of the latest developments?

  5. elaborate material

    which anyone can create on a computer in a few minutes.
    Mr Cassidy’s questions raise several points, however, including: why did Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard personally apologise for the pain and suffering caused by previous governments’ policies? Were they somehow involved in, say, stealing babies from single mothers, perhaps?

  6. MattyB

    From experience, restaurants produce a new menu every day (at a minimum a new menu for specials) and new menus for every ‘function’. Barry Cassidy, do some research.

  7. JMH

    I could not be more disgusted with the ABC and its handling of the “Menugate” non-story. Their bias against the Coalition is unforgivable. Over 50% of the population receives no representation, no voice at all.

    Abbott must ensure this disgraceful organisation is removed from the public teat. I resent the fact that even one cent of my taxes is being directed to a propaganda arm of the Green/Left.

    JMH

  8. tbh

    I thought it was quite good of Laurie Oakes to lay out all of the details of this ludicrous affair on the news. I don’t think your average punter out there is going to give it a lot of additional thought now. He basically told the PM she was flogging a dead horse on the issue too.

  9. Mike of Marion

    And the Age cartoonist is continuing the theme. Bolt and Tim Blair are commenting on it.

  10. Curmudgeon

    May I commend the Greek solution to Mr Abbott. Scrap the current ABC structure – and personnel – and start afresh with a clean sheet.

  11. Andore Jr.

    ~ Main Course ~

    The “Cassidy” – mellowed, leathery scrotal sack dulled with a red wine & taxpayer-funded jus, on a bed of complementary marshmallows (always complementary. Always).

  12. Boambee John

    The ABC is either confident that Labor has plans to rort the election, or has decided to go down fighting for ‘the cause’.

  13. egg_

    What the hell’s the point of their 24 hour channel

    Round-the-clock repetition of the indoctrination mantras…

  14. Ant

    Cassidy is a disgrace. A complete and utter disgrace.

    He throws complete furphies in there to muddy the water, cast doubts on the foul stench of Labor bias that surrounds him and his organisation and plays the Class A Idiota as though his readers are as stupid as he is (and to be sure, a great many are).

    “…why then did Mal Brough personally apologise for something that he now says, didn’t happen…how plausible is it anyway, that somebody would go to so much trouble producing such elaborate material…”

    Any fool would know that one could write up the menu and then in a matter of minutes alter it with a few moronic ‘jokes’ and bang it off to whoever, making a copy of the unaltered document for serious use and discard the other. It’s hardly “elaborate”, and certainly nowhere near as elaborate as the machinations the ABC has been going through to justify their outrageous behaviour.

    As to Brough’s apology, I suppose just maybe this shows that he is a thoroughly decent bloke, who couldn’t be sure he hadn’t seen the menu when he was being hammered for it and feared being caught as a ‘liar’ had he denied seeing it when evidence showed that it was lying right under his nose in the restaurant. In any case, he said he couldn’t be sure it was there but in the event that it was he apologises.

    Being the indecent scum they are, I suppose ABC types would have trouble understanding this kind of thinking.

  15. Snoopy

    Barrie Cassidy unwittingly confirms the risk in relying on the ABC for ‘news’. If he looked elsewhere he would have the answers to his lame questions.

    Of course its possible he knows the answers and is just being dishonest.

  16. inedible hyperbowl

    I think this is the worst of the ABC. Editors of newspapers should be leading with headlines like “Your ABC lies”. Intolerable. A VD (validity deficit), acquired by interacting with the PMs office.

  17. egg_

    the most obvious excuse is that the ABC had pre-recorded the whole evenings news and everyone had gone home. But is that true?

    AFAIK 7.30 & Lateline are live-to-air and they announce when an interview has been pre-recorded.

    Willful neglect by the Public Broadcaster.

  18. Tom

    I think we have just seen one of the “better” arguments for public ownership of the ABC collapse along with the PM’s gender war.

    Consider it peer-reviewed, Doomlord.

  19. harrys on the boat

    On September 15th, close the ABC down.

  20. inedible hyperbowl

    Boambee John. I agree, time for blue dye on the thumb.

  21. Gab

    Clearly the ABC is in dire need of a fact checker.

  22. johno

    One of the arguments for a public broadcaster is that the public need to have an unbiased source of news and information.

    The argument that we need a taxpayer funded broadcaster to provide an unbiased source of news and information is just laughable. All media organisation has its own ‘biases’. Private media biases are shaped by their intended audiences. If their audience wants fair and balanced reporting, that is what the private media will attempt to provide (think News Ltd). If they want their own opinions regurgitated back to them, that’s what they will get (think Fairfax).

    Taxpayer funded media does not face the need to attract an audience. All they have to do is secure their taxpayer funds and, once secured, they are free to let their biases run amok.

    The ABC and SBS have been very clever in fending off any attempt by the taxpayer’s representatives to hold them to account. Any attempt by a politician to question their biases is met with screams of political interference. This has been enough to scare off the Coalition from taking serious action against the blatant anti-Coalition bias in their ABC and SBS.

    It should be noted that a blatantly pro-Coalition taxpayer funded media would be as bad as their ABC and SBS blatant pro-Green bias.

    Arguing that we need taxpayer funded broadcasters to provide unbiased news and information is just an excuse to hand over taxpayer’s money to a minority to push their own views. There are no valid justifications for government owned media in a liberal democracy.

    Sell them.

  23. Pedro

    “The Coalition released an email from the author of the menu, the owner of the restaurant, who argued he had produced it as a joke, “never for public distribution.””

    Argued? A person reporting their own actions isn’t making an argument. That’s a deliberate word choice by Cassidy to downplay the only actual evidence.

    “Firstly, why then did Mal Brough personally apologise for something that he now says, didn’t happen.”
    Easy, because that is what people instinctively do, even if they are not sure the bad thing actually happened.

    “And finally how plausible is it anyway, that somebody would go to so much trouble producing such elaborate material just for the amusement of a few kitchen hands?”
    Barry is obviously still working with a typewriter and hasn’t worked out what’s going on with the funny TVs around the office. But I’ve been told pretty reliably that the restaurant owner did show the menu to some of the guests.

  24. Pedro

    “But be that as it may, the day ended with headlines suggesting the whole affair had backfired on Julia Gillard. That in itself seemed to be a rather perverse analysis given that she had been the victim of a vile attack.”

    Please, can we all realise that the abuse of Gillard in the menu was not that bad. It was within the normal range of behaviour that pretty much everyone adopts. We’re turning bad manners, tactlessness and bad taste into hanging offences and pretty much everyone pushing these lines is a fucking hypocrite.

  25. Gab

    “Firstly, why then did Mal Brough personally apologise for something that he now says, didn’t happen.”

    The only reference I can find to this “apology” is from Latika Bourke. I cannot locate any actual apology that Brough spoke, no actual quote.

  26. candy

    The Sattler fellow has Parkinson’s. My understanding is that it affects cognitive ability and impulsivity and such. Perhaps his interviewing style is somewhat medically affected or even medication is affecting him too. He does sound sort of shambly and slurry.

  27. H B Bear

    Gee Ol’ Leathery is struggling to make soup from bones isn’t he? Luckily he has had plenty of practice on the AbbottAbbottAbbott Hour for the last three years as he and his fellow Insiders scratch around desperately looking for any sign of Gillard competence or leadership.

    As I indicated previously, the ALPBC’s fingerprints are all over menugate after this tweet from the ALPBC’s Latika Bourke that was used by the rest of the Canberra echo chamber to run with the story in the first place. Misleading, incomplete and wrong – just what you would expect from a 140 character gossip platform relied on by lazy hacks.

    Sales performance on 7.30 Report and the Lateline treatment are simply the old staple – entrenched bias.

  28. Louis Hissink

    Let’s not forget that ABC staff are, first and foremost, public servants unwilling to work anymore than is legally necessary. Hence the tardiness in reacting to changes in the situation, especially when the weekend is looming, is expected. Expecting ABC staff to work weekends and not get double and triple time etc would be far too much to expect. The ABC has no motivation to participate in the ratings scores since it’s budget isn’t reliant on advertising revenue.

    So who cares if the ABC is too lazy to make sure its news is up to date – it’s as up to date as they can manage between morning and afternoon tea breaks, don’t cha know.

  29. stackja

    I find his American cousin more informative and entertaining. We know it is fiction and there is no pretense at reality.

    Hopalong Cassidy is a fictional cowboy hero created in 1904 by the author Clarence E. Mulford,

    People related to Hopalong Cassidy

    William Boyd
    William Lawrence Boyd was an American film actor best known for portraying Hopalong Cassidy . Boyd was born in Hendrysburg in Belmont County …

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  30. lem

    Why did Kevin Rudd apologise for something he didn’t do (stolen generations)?

  31. Gab, Mr Brough did apologise, as he explained yesterday.
    Any honourable person in like circumstances, accepting arguendo that the journo was being truthful, would similarly offer an apology to those who might have been pained by allegedly offensive material as he did.
    The ABC have yet to apologise either to Mr Brough and his colleagues, whom the ABC and many Labor MPs defamed, or to the people, such as our Dear Leader, who felt so offended only because the ABC and others insisted on telling everyone about the fake menu.
    The ABC and other media, by the way, kept saying that “a red box” was too offensive to broadcast, thus mischievously suggesting to anyone who hadn’t seen a copy of the fake menu that it must have contained some really filthy language.

  32. Gab

    Mr Brough did apologise, as he explained yesterday.

    Would you be so kind as to provide a link please, Deadman?

  33. Giffy

    Please, can we all realise ……. within the range of normal behaviour that pretty much everyone adopts.
    Wrong.
    Please speak for your own mob, Pedro.

  34. Infidel tiger

    Brough apologised for the same reason I often apologise when some fool bumps into me on the street. It’s a reflexive reaction for people of Anglo heritage.

  35. Token

    Great comparison of approaches by the Leftards at the ABC by Tim Blair:

    When someone hails Allah while killing a British soldier and quotes the Koran to justify their murderous act, the ABC isn’t immediately convinced that an Islamic component is involved. As one ABC operative subsequently demanded:

    “What proof do you have that these crimes were even carried out by a Muslim man or in the name of the religion?”

    Well, none at all. Apart from the fact it was carried out by a Muslim man in the name of his religion. But our verification-obsessed national billion-dollar broadcaster isn’t quite so fussed about facts when it come to a local menu scandal:

  36. Gab

    I agree with you, IT and I said similar yesterday but then I went looking for Brough’s actual apology and found none. Only what latika bourke reported.

  37. egg_

    But I’ve been told pretty reliably that the restaurant owner did show the menu to some of the guests.

    Apparently this is a tradition on both sides, so ingenuous sliming by Labor yet again?

  38. Sorry, Gab, I have no link; I watched his presser on ABCNews24.

  39. egg_

    Why did Kevin Rudd apologise for something he didn’t do (stolen generations)?

    My thoughts exactly – and on behalf of all Australians.

  40. Gab

    I watched his presser on ABCNews24.

    Okay, so if you saw and heard him actually apologise then I am satisfied he did. Thank you.

  41. Nuke Gray

    No wonder I don’t remember apologising for anything- Kevin Rudd has done it for me!!! Is this a vicarious apology?
    As for the ABC- budget cutbacks mean that they are forced to chase gossip and rumours and report them as facts. See, it’s all the Conservatives’ fault!
    So to everyone I’ve insulted over the years- ask Kevin to apologise for me, you useless bunch of XXXXs!!!

  42. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The first thing the Coalition should do on winning (fingers crossed) is take an hour (or more) of ABC time to run to the public a series of ‘corrections’ concerning ABC failures to be impartial. These should not just be ‘right of reply talking heads’ stuff, but fully documented analyses, rather like a 4-corners expose, done by Coalition-supporting journalists who can put the case. The viewing public deserve to have all of the facts pointed out to them through the medium of the ABC, which many still watch believing it to be relatively impartial. The program should show how and why the current ABC has failed so badly in its charter and why changes are going to be made.

    There will be a holocaust of bleating following it from the ‘friends’, but so what. The general public of viewers, who may not much seek information elsewhere, are often unaware of how badly they have been led up the Labor garden path by being presented with lies and half-lies, including very serious ‘absences’ and ‘omissions’ of key pieces of information, that are beyond the purview of their laughable ‘fact-checker’. It is time to address and redress that.

  43. struth

    A business that is not Kentucky Fried Chicken would never put anything out on tables or anywhere else in public view when they are not said business. KFC could have a field day with them. That is another reason we know it was never on the tables. It seems even our illustrious treasurer doesn’t even understand that bit of basic business knowledge. Not surprised though.

  44. I just can’t wait for Mediawatch on Monday night! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  45. lotocoti

    To have been timely and accurate, 7.30 should’ve dumped the Janet and Mia pre-record which existed solely because of the fake but accurate menu.
    Chris Uhlmann’s package could’ve remained a story about more Gillard mis-steps without the fake but accurate menu and 2’40” shorter. (For those who may be interested, the edit should’ve been The short answer is no. out / in Opening this front has again … and an intro rewrite. Even an ABC editor could’ve had that cut, rendered and ready for air in less than ten minutes, without being loaded to the hairline with caffeine.)
    But then they would have been ten minutes under and scrambling for standby colour stories on cute puppies.

  46. egg_

    Apology Transcript
    I move:

    That today we honour the Indigenous peoples of this land, the oldest continuing cultures in human history.

    We reflect on their past mistreatment.

    We reflect in particular on the mistreatment of those who were Stolen Generations – this blemished chapter in our nation’s history.

    The time has now come for the nation to turn a new page in Australia’s history by righting the wrongs of the past and so moving forward with confidence to the future.

    We apologise for the laws and policies of successive Parliaments and governments that have inflicted profound grief, suffering and loss on these our fellow Australians.

    We apologise especially for the removal of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families, their communities and their country.

    For the pain, suffering and hurt of these Stolen Generations, their descendants and for their families left behind, we say sorry.

    To the mothers and the fathers, the brothers and the sisters, for the breaking up of families and communities, we say sorry.

    And for the indignity and degradation thus inflicted on a proud people and a proud culture, we say sorry.

    We the Parliament of Australia respectfully request that this apology be received in the spirit in which it is offered as part of the healing of the nation.

    For the future we take heart; resolving that this new page in the history of our great continent can now be written.

    We today take this first step by acknowledging the past and laying claim to a future that embraces all Australians.

    A future where this Parliament resolves that the injustices of the past must never, never happen again.

    A future where we harness the determination of all Australians, Indigenous and non-Indigenous, to close the gap that lies between us in life expectancy, educational achievement and economic opportunity.

    A future where we embrace the possibility of new solutions to enduring problems where old approaches have failed.

    A future based on mutual respect, mutual resolve and mutual responsibility.

    A future where all Australians, whatever their origins, are truly equal partners, with equal opportunities and with an equal stake in shaping the next chapter in the history of this great country, Australia.

  47. Squawkbox

    I give up. After the ape stuff at the footy and now a week of mythical sexism, I conclude that the last month has simply been a series of insane hallucinations. Either my mind has collapsed completely and I am commenting from a padded cell, or someone has been putting LSD in my coffee. The alternative – that Australian public life really has come to this and that the great Australian public is treating all this nonsense seriously – is too ridiculous to believe.

  48. stackja

    the great Australian public

    I assume are not amused.

  49. struth

    “that Australian public life really has come to this and that the great Australian public is treating all this nonsense seriously – is too ridiculous to believe”.

    Replace”Australian” with “German” and I bet a few people where saying just that in the 1930’s.

  50. 1735099

    Problem is Sinc, the story hasn’t collapsed.
    It continues with the stupid questions put to Gillard in Perth, and the institutionalised crap that runs like a virus through the ADF. The establishment gets vicious when it’s called, and this establishment, which uses power in institutions instead of principle, is the bedrock of the Right in this country.
    It’s being slowly overwhelmed, but is kicking and screaming to the end.

  51. Des Deskperson

    What fascinates me here is the line, run, IIRC, by Mark Scott himself, that even if ABC journalists have strong political beliefs and even express them in ‘opinion’ articles and blogs (and presumably, as in Cassidy’s case, hob nob with the First Bloke), it doesn’t affect their professional ability to report facts objectively and without bias.

    This ignores the fact that, as any ethicist will tell you, perceptions of corruption are almost as corrosive to public trust in an organisation as actual corruption. In the APS, for example, a DFAT employee who was also a free Tibet activist would never be allowed to work in any area dealing with relations with China, it wouldn’t matter if the employee was scrupulously professional, it’s the perception of bias – a perceived breech of the APS Value that requires the service to be apolitical – that has to be avoided. Australian Electoral Commission employees, IIRC, aren’t even allowed to be a member of any political party, for the same reason.

    So why is the taxpayer-funded ABC different??

  52. H B Bear

    Only what latika bourke reported.

    That’s an oxymoron right there.

  53. Huckleberry Chunkwot

    Bob, you are possibly the most irrationally bigoted zealot that I have had the misfortune of encountering.
    Cease, desist, go away.

  54. Tom

    The old commie traitor is right. The left has almost succeeded in destroying our institutions. Congratulations, Bob.

  55. stackja

    To me

    principle, is the bedrock of the Right in this country.

    Again to me the public is

    being slowly overwhelmed, but is kicking and screaming to the end.

    Until the end in September.

  56. .

    “institutionalised crap that runs like a virus through the ADF”

    Nonsense.

    People serving in the ADF rarely have the time for such escapades and shennanigans. Cue some bullshit story from Nui Dat c1969…

  57. tbh

    I give up. After the ape stuff at the footy and now a week of mythical sexism, I conclude that the last month has simply been a series of insane hallucinations. Either my mind has collapsed completely and I am commenting from a padded cell, or someone has been putting LSD in my coffee. The alternative – that Australian public life really has come to this and that the great Australian public is treating all this nonsense seriously – is too ridiculous to believe.

    I agree Squawk. Australia has gone mad or at least the media has.

  58. Shossmeister

    In fairness to Barrie Cassidy, having been sent to Siberia after his ‘Gillard won’t be PM much longer’ shocker last week, he is obviously desperate to find a way out of the gulag and back into the PMO’s good books. Letting McTernan write his comment piece on the Drum was obviously a good first step in his rehabilitation.

  59. thefrollickingmole

    ABC news radi is using one of its promo ads which just co-incidentaly, is the breaking of the menu story when it looked like a “gotcha” against Barnaby.

    Im sure the fact its misleading, played frequently, and often is just, well, bad luck?

  60. Snoopy

    Problem is Sinc, the story hasn’t collapsed.
    It continues with the stupid questions put to Gillard in Perth, and the institutionalised crap that runs like a virus through the ADF.

    Join the dots? I’d need a pencil one metre long.

  61. twostix

    This entire story rested upon a tweet of a photo of a fake menu taken from some unknown persons facebook page by a raving leftist lunatic who was fired from the restaurant six months before the “event” even occurred.

    Nobody in the media, let alone the ABC determined to ring the restaurant to confirm the menu was real before running the story front page. They took an at the time anonymous tweeter with a long sordid history of vulgar anti-Liberal tweets at face value.

    Right now there’s a Labor menu on Polliter.com which is just as bad as the fake menu, which has the same pedigree vis-a-vis the “source” of the menu and it is being completely ignored.

    This is all anybody needs to know of the state of the “media” in this country – a collection of leftists and labor sympathisers running a mass narrative machine.

  62. Lizzie a series of three debates. That’s all we need. Three debates under proper rules – interjectors immediately removed from the debate. And no studio audience. Followed by a referendum on closing the ALPBC down.
    There’s your justification and mechanism.

  63. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    if you want to see how any report (no matter how baseless or transparently fraudulent) which paints the eeeeevil abbottabbottabbott in a bad light is taken as Gospel and no factual correction need apply, look no further than Lavatory Rodeo.

    Which has to be the most entertaining blog in Australia at the moment.

    They appear genuinely astounded that by some mysterious conspiracy beyond all human ken, the Lying Slapper and the ALPgreenfilth are polling less than 97%. After all, in all their lives they have never met anyone who does not agree with them and hold the same ‘values’.

    Currently they are blaming Australia’s extreme right wing media – which (I kid you not) includes the ABC.

    It’s actually sad to observe them.

    Sad, but very, very funny.

  64. egg_

    if you want to see…

    Pass.
    But thanks for the intel, chief.

  65. Leigh Lowe

    As pointed out in a comment on Bolt’s blog, Gillard called Christopher Pyne a “mincing poodle”.
    A great achievement for someone so low to reach the heights of high dungeon over Timmy.

  66. Leigh Lowe

    People serving in the ADF rarely have the time for such escapades and shennanigans. Cue some bullshit story from Nui Dat c1969…

    Careful dot.
    I got a smack this morning for questioning the veracity of Numbers service record.
    I am quite sure the story of him beating off a platoon of VC with his peeling knife is indeed (cough, cough) entirely authentic.
    It’s a bit rich of Spud to be implying that Mike Kelly MP is a mysoginist simply because he is ex-Army.
    The fact the Spud makes the admission that he himself has contracted the ADF sexism virus is fine – probably cathartic for him to make that admission – but he shouldn’t extend hat accusation to others.

  67. Boambee John

    inedible hyperbowl (10:01 am):

    Any rort is more likely to be principally through postal votes than personal ones – blue ink won’t apply there.

  68. Fred

    You should start thinking for yourself. The first step is sorting good information from bad. So stop reading the demonstrable lies of Murdoch’s right-wing propagandists for a start.

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