Rudd outflanks the Coalition on the right

Looks like Kevin Rudd is in it to win.* In 2007 he outflanked the Coalition on the right on the economy, this year he plans to do it on boat people.

From now on, any asylum seeker who arrives in Australia by boat will have no chance of being settled in Australia as refugees.

Asylum seekers taken to Christmas Island will be sent to Manus and elsewhere in Papua New Guinea for assessment of their refugee status.

If they are found to be genuine refugees they will be resettled in Papua New Guinea, an emerging economy with a strong future; a robust democracy which is also a signatory to the United Nations Refugees Convention.

This is even tougher than Howard’s temporary protection visas. It is also something of a turn around for Rudd himself.

If I return as the leader of the Government and Prime Minister [this was in 2010], I will be very clear of one thing, this party and Government will not be lurching to the right on the question of asylum seekers.

This policy is probably something the Coalition only ever contemplated in its wet dreams. I suspect it will quickly adopt this policy. To some extent this will blunt any electoral support Rudd could gain – not only has he lurched to the right on this issue, he has legitimised any such lurch.

The politics of this are going to be interesting to watch. The Australian government’s own travel advice for PNG suggests that individual should exercise a high degree of caution. Despite all that I suspect the “PNG solution” will quickly become bipartisan policy with Greens and (some) libertarians sniping from the sidelines.

* Unlike SamuelJ, I’m not convinced about a change to Malcolm Turnbull.

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129 Responses to Rudd outflanks the Coalition on the right

  1. cynical1

    Iranians don’t seem to like it.

    Well at least the ones on Nauru, who are apparently rioting….

  2. derFRED

    Way to start a riot, Kev you fucking idiot. Be sure to blame it on Abbott: “that nasty man made me do it”. Oh and here’s a word you can look up in the dictionary: Consequence.

  3. Driftforge

    The wailing is heavy around the webs tonight, but this is a good solution. PNG has the scale and scope to legitimately accept these refugees until the route dries up, which it will.

    Kevin ‘Abbott’ Rudd.

  4. Token

    How can Rudd be outflanking the Coalition when he is implementing another incomplete section of the Coalitions policy?

    Where is the evidence that the Coalition policy is “to the left” of Rudd?

  5. Gab

    Yeah, we’re talking 2,400 place on Manus. We’ve seen 2,500 already arrive in July.

    How long will it take to fit the place out for 2,400? I’m tipping after the election before we see anything completed. In the meantime, the boats will now rush forth like there was a fire sale at Burberrys.

  6. val majkus

    there are a few comments on this in the open forum
    My view is that the devil is in the detail and unless we get to have a look at the MOU we’ll only get the detail which Rudd perceives best suits his political purposes
    I do recall there was a yearly review mentioned and much was made of ‘this is what friends do’
    well how much is PNG being paid to be Rudd’s friend
    and surely there will have to be some legislative changes made so either Parliament will need to be recalled or this is a Rudd election promise
    and in either case it can’t apply to ‘all boats from now on’ because there will be a lapse of time until it can be put into effect
    Michael Smith is reporting riots at Nauru detention centre by Iranians reacting to the news

  7. Gab

    Iranians don’t seem to like it.

    Sorry but the Iranians have been protesting all week over processing times and demanding their freedom. Has nothing to do with Rudd’s PNG illusion.

  8. val majkus

    and the other point I suppose is that Rudd has always proved better at speechifying than delivery
    In fact at delivery he’s proved hopeless in the past

  9. Driftforge

    Best options are probably anything north of Lae and coastal. It really was a great place to grow up. As a place to provide refuge, it willl work fine and probably be cheaper than what we are doing now.

  10. Token

    If you want to talk about policy more arbitrary & draconian than the Coalition, why not mention the previous arbitrary freeze on immigrants from Afghanistan & Sri Lanka by Rudd in 2010?

    This has nothing to do with “right” or “left” as the statists in the ALP have been here before:

    Australia could face legal action over its decision to suspend processing asylum claims from Sri Lanka and Afghanistan. The government says that security in both countries is improving and asylum seekers are increasingly being sent home.

    Remember the days before Gillard rolled him when he last tried to play at being tough (before folding like a pack of cards when under pressure?)

    Remember the disgraceful Malaysian people swap?

  11. stackja

    Will Kev now apologise properly for Batt deaths?
    What about the waste of NBN and BER?

  12. Infidel Tiger

    After 42,000+ arrivals, Rudd admits he was wrong. He’ll send you the invoice soon. Should be about $5billion give or take 2 or 3 billion.

  13. Token

    This is what the disgraceful policy of the ALP which is supported by the left has resulted in, more children in detention than in any period when the Coalition was in power.

    Ben speaks with Megan Mitchell – the National Children’s Commissioner, about the affects of detention on asylum seeker children.

    Which is “right” and “left”? I know which is more arbitrary and draconian, and which people with humanity who support the Coalition prefer.

  14. H B Bear

    The idea that PNG has the infrastructure or capacity to absorb several thousand Islamic country shoppers is laughable. KRuddy has just signed an open blank cheque to PNG to get him over the next two months.

    If it works (that is, allows KRudd to win the election) expect another humiliating ALP back -down in the face of “unforeseen” problems down the track.

  15. Token

    Michael Smith is reporting riots at Nauru detention centre by Iranians reacting to the news

    While the girly-men are panicking, Michael Smith is continuing to methodically report the news.

    Here are the graphic tweets from Nauru of fisherman and photographer Clint Deidenang, describing the riots as they unfold. Most recent first.

  16. Infidel Tiger

    How long until PNG has capacity to take these poor wretches?

  17. kae

    I thought it was a coup when I heard it, but I don’t think it will do it.

    I hope not, anyway.

  18. Token

    If it works (that is, allows KRudd to win the election) expect another humiliating ALP back -down in the face of “unforeseen” problems down the track.

    This will be revoked in a heartbeat when the faceless men dispatch him for the last time and forever.

  19. thefrollickingmole

    This is designed to be a headline until after the next election when it will be subject to intense “lawfare” and shelved.

  20. Big Jim

    It’s a policy master stroke. Wedge politics of the highest order. How can a Sarah Hanson-Young/Julian Burnside type explain why it’s not humane to dispatch boat people to PNG? (Without being racist, that is.)

  21. egg_

    Rudd outflanks himself.

    The outer suburbs won’t buy this KRudd.

  22. Papachango

    Fuck me… the Ruddster is doing it again. He’s trying to outdo the Libs on right-wing rhetoric, only to change it when (god forbid) he gets re-elected. Is he going to claim to be a fiscal conservative again?

    The worst bit is people will probably fall for it. A-Fucking-Gain….

  23. Pedro

    Rudd is an instincitive and habitual liar so this policy is hard to believe in. but if he is genuine, it should work. It’s a big if. this also makes rudd a massive hypocrite once again. How the fuck anyone likes the maniac is beyond me.

  24. Pedro

    “How can a Sarah Hanson-Young/Julian Burnside type explain why it’s not humane to dispatch boat people to PNG? (Without being racist, that is.)”
    I expect Rudd understand’s that their criticism is a help for him.

  25. Gab

    From now on, any asylum seeker who arrives in Australia by boat will have no chance of being settled in Australia as refugees.

    lol. Not even the people-smugglers believe him.

  26. twostix

    The liberals need to remind everyone that we’ve been here before:

    East Timor solution.
    Malaysian solution.

    Who could trust these people just before an election again? They’ve lied too many times.

  27. cynical1

    “Sorry but the Iranians have been protesting all week over processing times and demanding their freedom. Has nothing to do with Rudd’s PNG illusion”.

    It seems like a bit more than “protesting” has erupted tonight…

  28. Infidel Tiger

    This is designed to be a headline until after the next election when it will be subject to intense “lawfare” and shelved.

    That seems the logical plan.

    “Don’t worry Penny, Doug and Tanya, it’s just a cunning ruse”.

  29. Steve

    This policy is little more than an announcement. It won’t see the light of day after the election.

  30. Gab

    It seems like a bit more than “protesting” has erupted tonight…

    Apparently that was the plan.

  31. twostix

    It’s a big if. this also makes rudd a massive hypocrite once again. How the fuck anyone likes the maniac is beyond me.

    The whole last 15 years of “debate” from the ALP and their media handlers re boat people has been one giant lie. They now openly admit that their actions in dismantling Howards solution caused the flood of illegal immigrants and the thousand+ deaths yet they don’t cop to it, no mea-culpa, no introspection, no apology, no responsibility.

    It’s Orwellian and breathtaking in its scope, these people are amoral and so are dangerous.

  32. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    Nixon has gone to China.

    It’s a good policy. As usual, it’s clever politics from Rudd. However he’s still not to be trusted.

    Best result is that the Coalition supports it, Rudd gets thrown out regardless and the boats stop coming.

    As for the Iranians, by God they paid for a ticket to Australia and they damn well want what they paid for!

  33. Infidel Tiger

    News Ltd reports a Nauruan MP took to state television to call for big, strong men to head to the processing camp as Nauruan riot police were overwhelmed by the the number of rioting asylum seekers.

    About 300 Nauruans responded to their leaders’ call and are preparing to confront the protesting Iranians.

    Should be a pretty sweet multi-cultural jamboree under way.

  34. Pickles

    The Fuzzie Wuzzies have brung back the noose. Any alliance with them is a political, diplomatical and all round fuck off master stroke.

  35. Carpe Jugulum

    I posted this on the open tread about PNG;

    Given that my current contract is FIFO to Port Moresby, i’ll give my own interpretation.

    Yes it is a poor country, but they are genuinely nice people, and this place screams out for development.

    Yes the average copper can be bribed and yes they will bash people for cash, yes unemployment outside of government is massive and yes green groups and public sector groups will tie you up in court for months if you want to build anything bigger than a shoebox, yes you should carry a side arm and never ever get cash from an ATM, never go near a road block in the hinterland, always walk home in the middle of the road at night and always keep your wallet in your fromt pocket.

    But apart from that, PNG is actually a great country with masssive potential with a lot of people who want to see it get ahead. (this is not sarcasm)

    Now Kokoda Kev will want to put some support staff in PNG, do you realise that a 1 bedroom unit in a secure compound is 2000Kina a fvking week (about $800 Oz).

    Another expensive brain fart from the sawnoff psychotic.

    God dammit i’m that angry i’m more incoherant than usual.

    I’m still angry that a animated puppett like Kokada Kev would do that to PNG, they are good people who deserve better than this little shitbags political games.

    Damn his oiley hide, i despise him.

  36. Gab

    But lawyer David Manne, who led the successful High Court challenge to the Labor government’s controversial Malaysia Solution, said Mr Rudd’s plan was a fundamental repudiation of Australia’s commitment to protect refugees.

    “This involves sending them to a country, now PNG … where they won’t have proper legal protections, where people are likely to be held in the same inhumane and degrading conditions,” he told ABC television.

    Mr Manne said PNG was a signatory to the refugee convention but it had opted out of commitments to provide refugees with freedom of movement, education, housing or employment.

    “All the independent evidence points to PNG being, sadly, very unsafe and also a place where there is widespread and pervasive violence, including against women, and serious and ongoing daily human rights abuse throughout the country,” he said.

    This the Malaysian Solution all over again.

  37. Fleeced

    I disappear for a week and you all go batshit crazy.

    Rudd has promised to be tough on asylum seekers, just as he promised he was a social conservative. Assuming this deal is legit, what is he giving in return? As BoltA says, he is always about seeming not doing.

    As for Samuel J, the f-wit is dead to me.

  38. Rabz

    Utter bullshit.

    Remember peoples, past behaviour is the best predictor of future behaviour.

    When it comes to preventing the entry of illegal third world welfare seekers, read up on the results.

  39. candy

    It is Malaysia again – ruthless thoughtless policy.

  40. Jack Spratt

    It now appears there’s no certainty about the numbers that PNG will actually take :

    Neither Mr Rudd nor Mr O’Neill would say how many asylum-seekers would be sent to PNG, despite speculation earlier today that the arrangement would be capped at about 3000 people.

    “We will take as much as we can with the capacities that we have on the ground,” Mr O’Neill said.

    “As you know we are building more capacity to take more refugees and asylum-seekers.

    “You can’t simply estimate a number given you don’t know how many people are seeking such refugee status in the boats that are arriving.

    We are hoping that the boats will stop and there will be nobody coming to Manus, and that is the objective of this arrangement.”

    So the 3000 was just a clever leak to get the figure stuck in the punter’s brains.
    “We are hoping” doesn’t sound like much of a plan.

    IT estimates that Rudd got bent over the table for $5 billion, and let’s just say that they will take 3000.
    That works out to about $1.6 million per asylum seeker. Previous published figures for asylum seekers was $70k per head. As Rudd would have said in 2007, this reckless spending must stop.

  41. Jim Rose

    Rudd lost 29 points in opinion poll support in 2010 when he backed down on a carbon tax. This is a repeat. He lost support rapidly because voters decided he did not stand for anything. No ticker, no brand.

  42. Ivan Denisovich

    The whole last 15 years of “debate” from the ALP and their media handlers re boat people has been one giant lie.

    Nailed it, twostix. The logic is undeniable. Pull factors are responsible for the surge in arrivals. And Labor knows it, and has known it all along. This agreement was constructed on that premise. Labor put its perceived political interests and moral vanity above the lives of over a thousand men, women and children who drowned at sea in addidtion to other adverse outcomes.

  43. H B Bear

    IT estimates …

    Is that anything like Treasury modelling?

  44. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Kicking back, got rum, got popcorn…

    told you it’d be a hilarious ride watching these morons staggering from one colossal f*ckup to another.

    So Kruddles the Rimmer has ticked off the unions, his left-wing effeminate squealers, the luvvies, and now, perhaps, the ‘journalists’ who have used their tongues to keep his freckle so squeaky clean it glistens like polished obsidian.

    Someone want to analyse this and work out how this actually helps Rimmer?

    He f*cks up the whole schmeer in 2008, kills 2000+ people, brings in 45,000 unknowns, refuses to acknowledge his f*ck ups, tries lies and bullshit, nicks part of Coalition policy, then goes the full socialist racist White Australia and entirely legitimises the Coalitions policy THEN goes so far beyond them they can actually criticise him for a panicked over-reaction, and people think this screaming clusterf*ck is going to HELP HIM WIN VOTES?

    Seriously?

    How on Earth is this total balls-up going to help him?

  45. Ivan Denisovich

    adverse policy outcomes

  46. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “Michael Smith is reporting riots at Nauru detention centre by Iranians reacting to the news

    … which was very, very swiftly countered in later reports to redirect the cause to “frustration over slow processing”. I watched the headlines change whilst researching – it was way too obvious that the government’s media managers were on the job with alacrity, demanding the media report in terms best suited to their narrative.

    No opportunity will be left behind by the Labor army of town criers, in the government offices and behind the desks in media news departments across the country. The Channel 7 Mark How-can-we-help-prime-minister? Riley procedure is now standard operational practice.

  47. KRuddy has just signed an open blank cheque to PNG to get him over the next two months.

    If it works (that is, allows KRudd to win the election) expect another humiliating ALP back -down in the face of “unforeseen” problems down the track.

    Fuck the universe with a barbed wire dildo if this gets him over the line. And pour petrol on that bastard and touch the match before you shove it in.

    Who could trust these people just before an election again? They’ve lied too many times.

    Labor – treating Australia like a bashed spouse since 2010.

  48. And by “that bastard”, I mean the dildo; not Rudd.

  49. Infidel Tiger

    IT estimates …

    Is that anything like Treasury modelling?

    Cheaper and more accurate.

  50. sunshine

    If PNG solution gets up and running and boats keep coming then it is proven they cant be stopped (short of blowing them out of the water ). Rudd will do anything to win – as Abbott does , but I’m with some of the commenters here – its better to die on your feet than live on your knees .

  51. Septimus

    IT estimates …

    Is that anything like Treasury modelling?

    Cheaper and more accurate.

    Back of a bus ticket, not a beer coaster. More concise, more accurate.

  52. egg_

    And by “that bastard”, I mean the dildo; not Rudd.

    What’s his nickname in the South Pacific – Kevin “Sugar Jar” Rudd? 😉

  53. egg_

    sunshine
    #931120, posted on July 19, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    Wanna bet the boats stop with a change of Govt?

  54. He f*cks up the whole schmeer in 2008, kills 2000+ people, brings in 45,000 unknowns, refuses to acknowledge his f*ck ups, tries lies and bullshit, nicks part of Coalition policy, then goes the full socialist racist White Australia and entirely legitimises the Coalitions policy THEN goes so far beyond them they can actually criticise him for a panicked over-reaction, and people think this screaming clusterf*ck is going to HELP HIM WIN VOTES?

    Yes, it is, because in removing the Carbon Tax and getting tough on boat people™ he undercuts two of the major Coalition criticisms of Labor’s policies over the last six years. He’s not going to win over any decided Coalition voters, but he might win back people who were drifting over, and given the current popularity poll bounce it might just be enough, especially with a friendly media running cover for him.

    That is, he’ll win them back IF he goes to an election quickly (Facebook posts from something called Election 2013 urging me to enrol suggest this might be the case) and IF there’s no immediate public splashback from the PNG Government saying it ain’t necessarily so.

    If this particular thought bubble has time to come unglued, he’s so fucked it isn’t funny. But remember his core constituency is people for whom emotion clouds reason. They won’t think about the potential consequences to PNG if the boats keep coming, because PNG isn’t in their backyard. And if the boats do stop coming, they won’t have the moral courage to admit that the Coalition was right and most of the reffos were welfare shoppers.

  55. Eddystone

    That works out to about $1.6 million per asylum seeker.

    It would be cheaper to just pay the dole to anyone in a third world shithole who expresses a desire to hop on a leaky boat to Australia.

  56. sunshine

    egg —– A change of govt alone wont stop the boats ; policy and world events determine the flow .
    eddy—–Onshore processing is far far cheaper .

  57. And Another Thing

    Reckon this will be an immigration lawyers’ picnic. Russ probably realizes it, but is counting on being back in the Lodge before all hell breaks loose.

  58. And Another Thing

    Sorry, Rudd, Crud, whatever his name is.

  59. m0nty

    … which was very, very swiftly countered in later reports to redirect the cause to “frustration over slow processing”. I watched the headlines change whilst researching – it was way too obvious that the government’s media managers were on the job with alacrity, demanding the media report in terms best suited to their narrative.

    The reports of the riot came before the reports of Rudd’s decision. Unless they have a Tardis installed at the refugee centre, Smith and you lot are barking up the wrong tree.

  60. egg_

    sunshine
    #931143, posted on July 19, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    Is that a yes?

  61. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Seems to me there’s an assumption here that a complex plan developed and negotiated by Rimmer is going to work as he claims.

    Is there a previous example of this actually occurring – ever?

  62. And Another Thing

    The High Court will have the final say on this, as it did with the Malaysia debacle.

  63. Jarrod

    I’d love to be a fly on Julian Burnside’s wall…

  64. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    So Mustafa, unhappy about not ending up in Guildford, Dandenong or Loganholme, ambles down to the fishermen at Port Moresby waterfront and asks:

    “Hey Jacky Jacky. How far from here to that pointy bit on the top of Queensland?”

    ” ’bout 300 mile boss.”

    “Many naval patrol boats about?”

    “Nah boss, most of ’em are over Christmas Island way.”

    “Uh huh. Wanna make a bob on the side sport?”

    “Too right boss. Bring the missus and kids over at sundown.”

    That’s the simplistic version, but one assumes something along these lines is a possible iteration.

  65. H B Bear

    I’d be jumping up and down if I had paid 10,000 US dollars to be collecting Centrelink in Sydney and was sitting in a tent in the middle of the Pacific too.

  66. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Wander over to Lavatory Rodeo and have a look. The far lefties there are going bananas about how horribly inhuman and cynical is Rimmer’s Pacific Solution!

    “Funnier than a silk top hat full of fried monkey twats.”

  67. Laterite

    Err… Did Krud actually sign anything with PNG, other than a blank check?

  68. Gab

    Apparently so, Laterite.

    he signed the agreement with the promise that there be no cap on the number of asylum-seekers being sent to PNG’s Manus Island detention centre.

  69. egg_

    Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC
    #931170, posted on July 19, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    Exploding heads.

  70. Gab

    “Our responsibility as a government is to ensure that we have a robust system of border security and orderly migration, on the one hand

    Said by the man who dismantled the Pacific Solution, opened the borders to anyone and stood by and did nothing as PM or FM as the boats kept coming like a tsunami. Must be an election year.

    , as well as fulfilling our legal and compassionate obligations under the refugees convention on the other.”

    Hey, wasn’t he talking about turfing the Convention a week ago? He’s gone all very quiet about that now.

    More backflips than a circus full of clowns.

  71. H B Bear

    Let’s see how that no cap on the numbers at Manus Island goes after a couple of Christmas Island style informal barbeques.

  72. JC

    Look, it doesn’t matter if this latest move by the little turd is transparently dishonorable. What matter is what the punters think.

  73. Rafe

    Can this be the first Rudd initiative that works?

    For a start, he is writing a blank cheque for PNG to solve a problem that is all his own work.

    The boatpeople will presumably try harder to get to the Australian mainland. More will drown.

    Abbott should endorse the plan in principle, call for more details and a costing, and point out that it is only a second best solution to turning the boats around.

    He should still -undertake to turn the boats around to reduce the cost of the PNG option.

    It is destroying the morale of the navy to function as an overworked rescue and taxi service, they would rather defend the nation with the help of the SAS.

  74. egg_

    JC
    #931185, posted on July 19, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    Spot on.
    Particularly those whom it was targetting.

  75. JC

    As for the boats coming.

    Seriously, who is going to pay the boat smugglers 10K to resettle in PNG. I wouldn’t even of I was besieged by cross fire in Somalia.

    If the details support the headline… a big if when it comes to the Little Turd, the boats will stop immediately.

  76. Gab

    Rafe, Abbott, Morrison and Bishop held a presser this afternoon and addressed those issues you raised.

  77. egg_

    JC
    #931190, posted on July 19, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    Further arrivals will show the smugglers think he’s soft (Mannus Is isn’t anywhere near completion?)

  78. What’s going to stop these illegals from heading south to Oz after their settlement in PNG has been established? Mick has it spot on the money, of course they’ll go to Jacky for the Torres Straight crossing.

    Why doesn’t Abbott, if he is elected, simply rescind the treaty with the UNHRC which Paul Keating signed which allows “asylum seekers” to enter countries such as Australia without identification, and revert to Australia’s Immigration Law which directs illegal immigrants without identification back to their port of departure. The other Immigration Law that Abbott should impose is anybody entering Australia carrying a communicable disease is to be directed to their last port of departure.
    This information was given to me by a Director within the Dept. of Immigration. He also went on to say that 80% of illegals arriving by boat from these 3rd world countries are carrying

  79. Abu Chowdah

    Egg #38382912973883

    Numbers called, he wants his shtick back.

  80. JC

    Further arrivals will show the smugglers think he’s soft (Mannus Is isn’t anywhere near completion?)

    From what I read they’re saying it will apply to people even if they arrived 2 weeks ago. So they’re signaling the policy has changed and the game therefore has too.

    People will react to signals and not if the detention centre is finished.

  81. (don’t know what happened), continuing, TB and to a lesser extent Leprosy. I would have thought that Australia’s Laws should take precedent over some fucking UN treaty. We have to be mightily wary of these Fabian Communists and their fucking agendas. Check out their credentials on Google, most Aussies have never heard of them!!

  82. Cold-Hands

    The reports of the riot came before the reports of Rudd’s decision. Unless they have a Tardis installed at the refugee centre, Smith and you lot are barking up the wrong tree.

    I wouldn’t discount sources in the refugee industry briefing their ‘clients’ ahead of the policy announcement. Even the media reports of an impending announcement would have been enough to act as a trigger for unrest; pressure to maintain the current procedures.

  83. egg_

    Egg #38382912973883

    Numbers called, he wants his shtick back.

    Cruel! 😉

  84. egg_

    From what I read they’re saying it will apply to people even if they arrived 2 weeks ago. So they’re signaling the policy has changed and the game therefore has too.

    Hence the Nauru riots?

  85. Gab

    From what I read they’re saying it will apply to people even if they arrived 2 weeks ago.

    No. It applies immediately, beginning with the boat that arrived today.

    “People who are currently within the detention network – within Australia on Manus or on Nauru – do not have these rules apply to them,” he[Bourke] said.

    “But from now, on vessels that are intercepted will have the new rules apply to them and it will be a couple of weeks because of the health checks … before the first transfers take place.”

  86. egg_

    “But from now, on vessels that are intercepted will have the new rules apply to them and it will be a couple of weeks because of the health checks … before the first transfers take place.”

    Yeah, right…

  87. m0nty

    One has to wonder whether Rudd shared all these surprise policy decisions with the likes of Shorten and the faceless men before that final spill. He is on a roll, he must have been working on this series of changes for quite a while.

    I suspect there will be two main problems with this: the safety of refugees in PNG, and the inevitable High Court challenge. Neither will be tested before the election though. The media might make a token attempt to highlight violence in PNG society but it would be tricky to stoke a fire on that one, given the conditions these refugees are supposed to be fleeing from. It would also mean journalists actually doing some field reporting in our region, which is rare these days. Will Four Corners have time to do a proper investigative piece on PNG racial tensions during the election? Doubtful. And who else would?

    It is a classic Rudd wedge. Abbott is powerless. The centre on this issue in Australia is significantly to the right of international norms, for better or worse. Rudd may be a psychopath but he has rare skill at retail politics. No matter who the LOTO is, they would lose on this one.

  88. m0nty

    I wouldn’t discount sources in the refugee industry briefing their ‘clients’ ahead of the policy announcement. Even the media reports of an impending announcement would have been enough to act as a trigger for unrest; pressure to maintain the current procedures.

    LOL CH, keep digging that hole.

  89. egg_

    Rudd may be a psychopath

    Australia is now in no doubt – that’s the ALP’s problem now…

  90. candy

    I wonder how the women and children will get along. Last month they were being moved out due to unsafe unhygienic conditions. This month they are going there for good.

  91. it will be a couple of weeks because of the health checks … before the first transfers take place.”

    Long enough for the stench of the brainfart to be noticed, then. Even assuming that the policy becomes operative immediately and an election were called at the same time, there’d still be just over two weeks for things to go wrong.

  92. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    JC makes the most salient point in the thread:

    “Look, it doesn’t matter if this latest move by the little turd is transparently dishonorable. What matter is what the punters think.”

    These are the only terms in which the con job can be judged to have succeeded or not. Given that the average boofhead sees only the initial announcement, thinks “Oh yeah? Yeah that’ll work.”, doesn’t read pages of analysis and gives it absolutely no more thought then it’s a winner. You’ve got to give it to Comrade Dear Leader for front and guile.

    Notwithstanding that I’ll repeat a response I made to Carpe Jugulum at the over the back fence chat thread.

    It seems to me that, as usual, the top men will profit handsomely from all of this but the people won’t be absorbed into lovely new jobs gaily cooking, whistling about in nice white housemaid uniforms and crafting rustic tables for their grateful new neighbours.

    Au contraire. I venture the kiddies here watching the TV news will enjoy a whole new experience in violent cultural clash.

    Rudd and O’Neill might have knocked up something clever from their points of view but I suspect the PNG people have just been dealt a grave disservice.

  93. Abu Chowdah

    What is very clear is that Rudd’s policy formulation is reactive and not strategic. He is great at outflanking and wedging, but has no real vision of a direction for the nation.

  94. Samuel J

    Fleeced:

    As for Samuel J, the f-wit is dead to me.

    That’s nice. What have I done to you?

  95. egg_

    KRudd’s overreached himself again in trying to out-do Abbott.

    The (outer suburban) punters will likely think he’s daft with such a drastic, expensive solution and likely want an abrupt end to being subjected daily to this faux electioneering facade of the rapidly self-exposing psycho.

  96. Rob

    I’d love to be a fly on Julian Burnside’s wall…

    Wouldn’t it be a bit to crowded?

  97. Gab

    Wonder what excuse Rudd will use when this all falls apart.

  98. Cold-Hands

    Wonder what excuse Rudd will use when this all falls apart.

    That’s easy Gab. AbbottAbbottAbbott 666!!!

  99. Cold-Hands

    Au contraire. I venture the kiddies here watching the TV news will enjoy a whole new experience in violent cultural clash.

    Rascals vs Jihadis, coming to a village near you…
    I can’t help thinking that the PNG government is importing its own fifth column… How many years before the Islamic peoples of PNG clamour for anschluss with Indonesia? With sharia and sacks for the ladies (sure to be a winner in a tropical jungle)…

  100. John Comnenus

    It will be interesting to see the LNP response to this.

    I think they need to point out that the ALP has lied to the Australian people about every aspect of this policy area for at least a decade. Go through the lies: the inhumanity of Howard (even though Keating introduced mandatory detention), the more humane approach, the push factors not pull factors, the can’t turn the boats around, the Timor solution, the Malaysian solution, the ‘Pacific solution’ didn’t work, Howard didn’t stop the boats, Tampa was a crime. All of these were bald faced lies.

    If they weren’t lies then the ALP has to admit it was wrong for ten years with every policy position it took. It has to accept responsibility for the deaths at sea and apologise to the Australian people for both being consistently wrong for a decade, for failing to learn, for introducing wasteful policies that didn’t work and that killed over a thousand people and for condescendingly belittling every Australian who has consistently argued that it was the pull factors.
    Once the ALP apologises we can accept that they have seen the error of their ways. Until then we should not believe they are serious and should question their commitment to implement this policy given their multitude of previous positions.

  101. Fleeced

    As for Samuel J, the f-wit is dead to me.

    That’s nice. What have I done to you?

    Called for a return to Turnbull.

  102. Token

    What is very clear is that Rudd’s policy formulation is reactive and not strategic

    Quite so.

    I noted the Liberal ads during the footy & cricket last night presented the Libs as an united team and highlighted the fact Rudd started the problem, the defecits & debt.

    There is a bit of strategic bombing of Rudd going on when men are watching TV

  103. Popular Front

    Iranians don’t seem to like it. Well at least the ones on Nauru, who are apparently rioting….

    Nauru government called for beefy locals to come and back up their riot squad and @300 big lads turned up. I hope they wade into these troublemakers and give them plenty of truncheon. That will tenderise them before the hungi starts.

  104. Tel

    Given Rudd’s track record of being a proud fiscal conservative right up to the point of getting his hands on the cash, I would guess that when it comes to pretending, he can outflank anyone and everyone all at once.

  105. Token

    Given Rudd’s track record of being a proud fiscal conservative right up to the point of getting his hands on the cash…

    That is what the ads last night are focusing on.

    As Mk50 warned it will be a stunt a day, every day to distract from the blunders and job losses from the thought bubbles. The salary packaging industry has not met anyone yet.

  106. Tel

    Seriously, who is going to pay the boat smugglers 10K to resettle in PNG. I wouldn’t even of I was besieged by cross fire in Somalia.

    People paid money to come to Australia 150 years ago when it was not much more developed than PNG is right now, and economic migrants who have a few skills and some willingness to work in the mining industry can earn a decent living. I doubt Rudd’s “never ever” promise actually means much, so after earning some money in PNG a move to some other country would be entirely possible, using the regular immigration process.

  107. Tel

    Rascals vs Jihadis, coming to a village near you…

    I would guess that the true Jihadis would be staying in Iraq and Afghanistan where they have work to do.

    People fleeing from those areas would generally be people who have decided their own skins are worth more than any religious cause.

  108. Popular Front

    and economic migrants who have a few skills and some willingness to work in the mining industry can earn a decent living

    There it is. If these people choose to get out into the population of PNG and work, they will contribute to PNG’s development. They will also realise that PNG society-wise is vastly different to Australia so I doubt you’d see Muslim-only enclaves, or calls for sharia, or burqas or huge mosques in future. The locals certainly wouldn’t wear a bar of that and they tend to react rather violently to things they don’t like.

  109. Will

    As for Samuel J, the f-wit is dead to me.
    That’s nice. What have I done to you?

    Called for a return to Turnbull.

    definitely knitting the kangeroo – what were you thinking?

  110. truth

    If [ a big ‘if’ ]they are as enterprising as you think they may be, they will before long look like taking over PNG as far has high end jobs go.

    Their birth rate outstrips every other around the world, so they will become a fast-increasing sector of the PNG community—starting PNG on the way to becoming another possibly fundamentalist Muslim country on our border.

    Indonesia is looking very pleased with itself, so I suspect it’s leaders have known all about this— [ that Rudd was willing to set PNG on the path to become increasing Muslim, as a nice complement to their own taking of West Irian in the past ]— long before any Australian leaders—hence their Foreign Minister’s willingness to be wheeled out by Carr like a ventriloquist’s dummy, with Carr’s hand up his back to reinforce what Rudd wanted to embed in the Australian psyche—that Indonesia wouldn’t cooperate with Abbott.

    Unless it’s prohibited, the Muslim boat people [ if enterprising], would be likely to be running PNG for all intents and purposes before long—precipitating the same internal problems that have bedevilled Fiji for years.

    If they’re not enterprising, they’ll spell trouble for PNG—and thereby for Australia—as they do everywhere.

    On the other hand, they and the people-smugglers may decide this is just a blip in their plans—that PNG will work as a useful transit country for their eventual move to Australia by the immigration route
    …unless Commissar Rudd is going to demand that PNG prohibit that as well.

    If it’s not banned by legislation, they may think it’s worth a try—-that they can make a real mess of Australia’s immigration system and our reputation just in the trying—and meanwhile they would be housed initially in a brand new centre in PNG, with everything paid for by the Australian taxpayer, —and if they become residents of PNG, no doubt Australia will be pressed to fund new housing for them.

    If there’s no legislation to keep them in PNG once they’re processed and settled, then there’s nothing to deter the people-smugglers from funding this new package—a sojourn in PNG in new accommodation—everything paid for by the Australian taxpayer, while waiting to migrate to Australia or New Zealand, as PNG citizens.

    If they are kept in PNG, there would be , no doubt, the same sort of problems that are evident in the Netherlands and France and the UK—or the special problems down the track as in Fiji—and in the end, an overwhelmingly fundamentalist Muslim PNG hard up against Australia.

    Whatever way you look at it, it’s a bad outcome for Australia.

    But Rudd doesn’t give a damn about all this—this policy is only about getting him elected—- and using the PNG leaders to do whatever it takes..

  111. RyanStarr

    Once you stop them coming to Australia the problem fixes itself – the boats will stop because they can’t get here. TPVs would have been highly successful too, and still can be.

  112. stackja

    Lawyers say asylum plan ‘shameful’
    A group representing more than 2000 Australian lawyers says the federal government’s plan to send asylum seekers to Papua New Guinea is shameful and takes advantage of a needy neighbour.
    Australian Lawyers for Human Rights (ALHR) president John Southalan said PNG had indicated when it joined the Refugee Convention that it wouldn’t be bound by obligations regarding the rights of asylum seekers to work and education.
    He also pointed out PNG had not signed the treaty against torture.
    ‘These are very serious deficiencies in the legal protections which Australia considers important,’ he said.

  113. JMH

    truth (#931582) Plenty of food for thought in your post.

    The only good thing I see from the Rudd/PNG solution is being able to watch and listen to the leftarded muppets going into meltdown over the proposal. Some good comedy there.

    I want to know how hard is the taxpayer going to be screwed to fix (via the Rudd/PNG ‘solution’) the almighty mess Rudd created in 2008. No need to answer. We already know how this is going to play out.

    Unbelievable. The little thug will do and say anything to win this election. We are aware of his shallowness of course, but most of the voting public won’t be and unfortunately, morons have the right to vote.

  114. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    The reports of the riot came before the reports of Rudd’s decision. Unless they have a Tardis installed at the refugee centre, Smith and you lot are barking up the wrong tree.

    I am calling bullshit on this one.

    The news about Rimmer having reached a deal with PNG was being discussed in the media at about 1230 on 19 July. His actual announcement was about 1630, which provides fuel for the lie that ‘it had nothing to do with Rimmer’, but the news that a deal had been reached was common knowledge four hours earlier.

    Michael Smith news has tweets from Clint Diedenang saying the riot police were there at midday due to a rumoured hunger strike, and chanting, but the riot did not happen until around 1800 local time, 1600 on our east coast. That gives ample time for the leaks to have reached Nauru.

    Anyone here think that the illegals there are not in constant comms?

  115. Fleeced

    …and unfortunately, morons have the right to vote.

    A lot of low-information voters are merely ignorant, rather than morons (though of course, many are both).

    Those who should know better (e.g., SJ and JC) but suggest Turnbull should be made LOTO prior to the election need a severe smack upside the head.

    I knew Rudd would get a bounce if he became PM again, but I don’t think even the true believers expected him to be this close. I hope he doesn’t win against Abbott. There is a chance he might do so – but if Turnbull is oppo leader, Rudd will romp it in.

  116. JC

    Those who should know better (e.g., SJ and JC) but suggest Turnbull should be made LOTO prior to the election need a severe smack upside the head.

    LOL. You really get angry at just the mention of his name.

    How many times do I have to say it..? I think Morrison is the dude.

  117. Armadillo

    How many years before the Islamic peoples of PNG clamour for anschluss with Indonesia?

    Good point Warm Heart. The Indonesians are three steps ahead of Rimmer. He see’s a short term fix, they see a long term opportunity. Rimmer has no vision beyond his own self.

  118. Lucie

    Token, do you have a link to that Liberal ad?

  119. Lucie

    JC, they can’t just up and change to Scott Morrison this close to the election! What are you – Labor?

  120. JC

    JC, they can’t just up and change to Scott Morrison this close to the election! What are you – Labor?

    Lucille,

    The liars Party has tried this three times that I recall at the federal level and didn’t pose much of a problem.

    Hawke, The Lying Slapper and now The Little Turd. Stop the bedwetting.

  121. candy

    I tend to think there’s quite a few people of the general public who don’t know who Scott Morrison is, just that he’s a politician of some sort.
    A bit like putting up a semi-stranger to take over the job three weeks before the deadline.

  122. Lucie

    Exactly, candy. Flamboyant high-risk-takers like JC may advocate such recklessness, but it is fanciful and extremely ill-advised. He is citing the Labor government of the past six years in support of his argument. Poor love, he’s not only knitted the kangaroo, he’s croched a wombat and macramed a platypus.

  123. Septimus

    he’s croched a wombat

    Call the RSPCA 😉

  124. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “The reports of the riot came before the reports of Rudd’s decision. Unless they have a Tardis installed at the refugee centre, Smith and you lot are barking up the wrong tree.

    I am calling bullshit on this one.

    … That gives ample time for the leaks to have reached Nauru.

    Anyone here think that the illegals there are not in constant comms?’

    I said as much here last night Mk50. Hand wringing central in Melbourne, the lawyers and the charities, as the smugglers’ local representatives, have had years to perfect the communications systems. There are no coincidences, just strategies in operation.

  125. egg_

    Crap looks like some good links got taken out in the fred cleanup?

  126. Fleeced

    How many times do I have to say it..? I think Morrison is the dude

    The average low-information would say, “Morrison? Who the fuck is he?”

    Hawke, The Lying Slapper and now The Little Turd. Stop the bedwetting.

    I think those suggesting a sudden change of opposition leaders are more in the bedwetting category.

    Whatever risk Rudd now poses, Abbott is still the best chance of defeating the ALP (and he’s still odds on to win, btw)

  127. egg_

    Kevin Rudd ‘subcontracting’ asylum seekers to PNG: Tony Abbott:

    Tony Abbott is accusing the government of subcontracting the boat people problem to Papua New Guinea, saying the only solutions to Australia problems are “here in Australia”.
    Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has also copped criticism over the proposal from his home state, with Queensland Premier Campbell Newman expressing fears the boat people problem could be left on his state’s doorstep given its proximity to PNG.

  128. truth

    JC…

    The problem is the ‘liars’ party’ can do absolutely anything.

    When a party can place itself above the law as the Goss Labor government with Rudd as the whip hand did in QLD—that is break the law with impunity—then that’s a party that can do anything with impunity—-as it has done.

    Goss Labor destroyed evidence that was requested to be preserved for already foreshadowed legal proceedings, then Labor later prosecuted and convicted an ordinary citizen for the same breach, but much much less serious—and then appealed his sentence, wanting him jailed.

    That Premier, ministers and Rudd who was the most powerful person—more so than the ministers he intimidated—should be investigated and hauled up before the current Royal Commission into the cover-up of child sex abuse—but they won’t be because the MSM is part of the cover-up, and Coalition politicians would have to be suicidal politically to demand it.

    Goss/Rudd Labor shut down an inquiry that was set up to take allegations of child sex abuse at the John Oxley Youth Centre—-not bothering to institute a new inquiry—destroying the evidence—thereby covering up child sex abuse—to save their comrades on the staff—all done with impunity, because they were absolutely ruthless in the cover-up that is still in place today , and involved the corruption of every level of governance and law enforcement in QLD.

    What they can do, the Coalition can never do.

    Labor has the malevolent MSM in the tank with them almost 100%—- and the media is the key.

    None of Labor’s lies, incompetence, corruption, criminality, manipulation of the system—stacking of the institutions —goes anywhere unless there are very brave whistleblowers willing to virtually commit hari kari in order to get the truth out and make it impossible for the MSM to ignore—and then they suffer for years to come—as did the brave woman who saved the children from the Labor paedophile minister Orkopoulos.

    The MSM and their Labor comrades have placed Labor above the law in Australia—and consequently have completely corrupted the tenet of equality before the law—and democracy itself.

    It will be an absolute miracle if Tony Abbott can win this election.

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