Labor’s asylum seeker policy in a nutshell

Prior to the 2007 election pillory and execrate the Howard Government for being ‘harsh’, ‘uncaring’ and ‘cruel’. Have the friendly media and leftist commentators describe the policy as intolerable and extreme.

Once elected, dismantle the scheme leading to an anticipated increase in the number of boat arrivals but an unanticipated hundreds of deaths at sea and which has cost the taxpayer several billions of dollars.

Now bring in a system which is much more expensive, harsher, more cruel and less caring than that of the Howard Government’s scheme.

Then pretend that the problem has been fixed.

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209 Responses to Labor’s asylum seeker policy in a nutshell

  1. candy

    Big racist ‘dog whistle’ by Rudd. There’s something shameful about this policy.

  2. John Comnenus

    It will be interesting to see the LNP response to this.

    I think they need to point out that the ALP has lied to the Australian people about every aspect of this policy area for at least a decade. Go through the lies: the inhumanity of Howard (even though Keating introduced mandatory detention), the more humane approach, the push factors not pull factors, the can’t turn the boats around, the Timor solution, the Malaysian solution, the ‘Pacific solution’ didn’t work, Howard didn’t stop the boats, Tampa was a crime. All of these were bald faced lies.

    If they weren’t lies then the ALP has to admit it was wrong for ten years with every policy position it took. It has to accept responsibility for the deaths at sea and apologise to the Australian people for both being consistently wrong for a decade, for failing to learn, for introducing wasteful policies that didn’t work and that killed over a thousand people and for condescendingly belittling every Australian who has consistently argued that it was the pull factors.
    Once the ALP apologises we can accept that they have seen the error of their ways. Until then we should not believe they are serious and should question their commitment to implement this policy given their multitude of previous positions.

  3. Cool Head

    “It is beautiful in it’s ugliness”,
    Now if we could just get Rudd to flip to the same extent on the budget we would all love him…

  4. Zatara

    The basic premiss of Rudd’s impending fiasco is totally farked but few seem to be looking beyond what are obviously going to be the outrageous costs of execution.

    What is supposed to prevent the country shoppers from crying “Asylum Seeker” again when they get to PNG? At least from their former points of embarkation there was a considerable moat of 500+ Kms helping protect the Australian mainland and one could make the strong argument that legitimate asylum seekers should have stayed in the countries where they found refuge en-route. This time they will be 150 Kms mainland to mainland, more like 50-60 island to island. A route traveled by tinnies daily.

    All Rudd has done is propose a very expensive layover in PNG for the country shopper who will promptly embark on a much shorter boat ride to Australia waving their asylum seeker banner. The difference will be they will now be seeking asylum from PNG, with no intermediate country(s) of refuge and therefor no excuses for Australia not to take them.

    Don’t think they will do it or don’t think it will stick? I refer you to DFAS’ smarttraveler website where PNG is listed as a “Exercise a high degree of caution” country and lists numerous life threatening specific cautions such as endemic Cholera, new strain TB, and active distrust and animosity towards foreigners. Or the US State Dept website where PNG is characterized as a Tier 3 (the worst) Human Trafficking Country with issues ranging from families selling their kiddies into slavery, to the threat of hair-trigger mass ethnic violence, and of course cannibalism. Now imagine how that is going to play at the UN, the World Court, or the court of international opinion when Mr and Mrs country shopper start appearing on TV screens around the world telling their tale of woe and treacherous betrayal.

    This government will be falling all over itself to build a bridge of gold for them then.

    It is truly time for someone who is capable of seeing beyond illusory immediate gratification and above playing to the passions of the masses to run this country. Grown ups who can see beyond their noses and understand the law of unintended consequences.

  5. johno

    How is Krudd’s PNG solution different from Howard’s Pacific solution?

    Time for the Greens and their media to start banging the ‘evil nasty racist’ drum again.

  6. Blogstrop

    Paul Kelly in the Oz in effect admist that everything we’ve been told by the ALP and the love media about the boaties being no problemo were lies.

    On policy merit, however, Rudd is correct. He owes an obligation to the nation and to Australian democracy to stop the boats. He seeks to honour, belatedly, that obligation.

    As a follow up, Rudd must now reinstate Work Choices.

    John Comnenus summarises very well above.

  7. Mike of NQ

    I must admit, even as a conservative, I think it’s a step too far. I know it will work but the real issue is people smuggling not legitimate asylum seekers. Why punish both?

  8. caveman

    l thought that Rudd said no identification the refugees go to PNG.
    Simple fix just come over now with identification.
    A budding people would charge less for the first 3000 asylum seekers and get them over here within a month to fill the PNG quota they could be classed as a recon unit and take one for the team.

  9. It’s a good solution. PNG will be a good place for refugees to settle, bringing benefit both to PNG and refuge to those seeking it.

    What worries me is Labor is doing this, and to put it bluntly, they have a habit of frigging things up.

  10. Country Liberal

    The hypocrisy of the media and Labor is freaking unbelievable. Everything Labor has done on their long walk back from ‘compassion’ vindicates the Coalition’s policies, yet somehow its Labor that benefits.

    Labor have rewarded for incompetence and treachery; will the voters?

  11. A Lurker

    Labor only needs this thought-bubble to fall over the line at the election. After that, Rudd will likely be (again) shown the door, and all his election promises would be just that, promises that would evaporate in the hot midday sun.

    Ideologically the Progressives want Australia to be flooded with the welfare-seeking scum of the third-world. So the Greens will howl but won’t act, the Progressive law firms will scowl but won’t act, the human-rights lawyers will symbolically tear their hair but won’t act, and the Progressive media will pat Rudd on the back, tell him how visionary he is, and ignore all the nasty things they would have said about Conservatives if the Coalition had come up with such an idea. In essence, this is just a drama play, with the actors saying their lines, but knowing that this is just a matter of ‘whatever it takes’ in order to trick the population into thinking Labor have reformed and are putting Australia first. I know this because Labor will do anything – lie, spin, deceive, and pull every trick in order to retain power – and when they have retained power it will all be back to business as usual – and if there are illegals in PNG, then all they need to do is arrange sufficient coin (courtesy of the Oz taxpayer) to get a boat ride across the water to North Queensland, where they can then vanish into the bush, reappearing later in one of our cities to vanish yet again into an ethnic ghetto where they can play merry hell with our community later on.

    Truly Labor and their Progressive mates make me sick to my stomach – how any decent minded, rational person could entertain voting for them is beyond me.

    The Coalition needs to up the ante and state that they will withdraw Australia from their obligations to the refugee convention.

    p.s. Replacing Abbott with Turnbull is just playing right into Labor’s plans – no Progressive would ever vote LNP now that Gillard is gone and they perceive Labor is in with a chance.

  12. Fred Lenin

    The moslem”refugees”sent to PNG will convert the natives to islam,due to the state of virtual anarchy there ,we will have a sharia terrorist state 50ks away!
    Good one Kim Il kevvie!

  13. The moslem”refugees”sent to PNG will convert the natives to islam,

    Not particularly likely.

  14. jupes

    What is supposed to prevent the country shoppers from crying “Asylum Seeker” again when they get to PNG?

    The difference is that they will now be PNG citizens. Whenever a PNG citizen seeks asylum in Australia – and a small number have – they are sent straight back home.

    There is a lot to like about this policy. The problem is that Labor has to pull it off and we all know the track record of the most incompetent government in Australia’s history.

  15. jupes

    The moslem”refugees”sent to PNG will convert the natives to islam,due to the state of virtual anarchy there ,we will have a sharia terrorist state 50ks away!

    There is already a small number of Muslims in PNG. There is a mosque in Port Moresby, however they are very quiet and the locals won’t let them get too uppity. After 9/11 they threw rocks and shot at the mosque.

  16. Roscoe

    The plan is likely to work in three ways

    (1) it will discourage the economic boat people

    (2) it will likely appeal to voters in the lines of Western Sydney

    (3) provide somewhere for genuine political refugees which doubt there are many of to escape whatever they are escaping from

    That said the deal Rudd had offered must be costing an insane amount of money.

    It is politically cynical and he will probably ditch it if he were elected but it will deliver him votes for the election which is all he cares about.

    If Abbott/Coalition is not careful Australia may be sentenced to another 3 years of Labor

  17. Dianeh

    Does PNG have the capacity to support a load of refugees who are unwilling/unable to work. And I mean when they are resettled, not when in detention. Or is the point of the policy that PNG is such a shithole with poor welfare that the bludgers won’t want to settle there.

    The capacity for social problems and increased violence is enormous.

    But my real issue is that this will never happen. Abbott should challenge Rudd to legislate it prior to the election, and that the Coallition will back it for the good of the country. My bet is Rudd wont take up the challenge, because I suspect he will not have his own party support to legislate, only to raise it for the election.

    Abbott can neutralise Rudd by agreeing to pass it before the election and it will cause all sorts of problems within Labor and the refugee industry. While I doubt the viability of the scheme in the long run, it may stop the boats, particularly if the Coallition insists on TPVs being incorporated as part of the package.

  18. Dianeh

    I’m assuming that Rudd consulted with cabinet over this new policy, of course.

  19. Leigh Lowe

    And they’re advertising in Australian newspapers (in English) that you can’t come to Australia by boat.
    Jason Clare, being lying scum, says it is so relatives of asylum-shoppers already in Australia will get on Facebook and tell their relatives in Indonesia not to come.
    Right……
    Why not just get Australian embassy staff in source countries to run the adverts?
    And, if they have relatives here already, why wouldn’t they go down the family reunion path?

  20. Alfonso

    We deserve our elite clear thinkers.
    Let’s send proselytising muslims and their imams to our unstable nearest neighbour that may well be eventually attracted to Islam backed by future Saudi missionary dollars, and let’s then dismiss the danger of a significant muslim presence in PNG.
    Good ‘ol simpleton hicksville Australia, doing the Caliphate’s work for free.

  21. egg_

    Doubtless the poll junkie will be furtively polling the desired demographic’s response to his latest brain fart – it would be a very noisy poll with a confused electorate; late swinging voters are likely to be as confused as everyone else.

    If KRudd’s current rate of spin continues, his polling would likely be very noisy and inaccurate, but if the downward slide trend continues, he’s really in trouble and will start to look very desperate, if not already so.

  22. Zatara

    The difference is that they will now be PNG citizens. Whenever a PNG citizen seeks asylum in Australia – and a small number have – they are sent straight back home.

    Sorry, but I don’t believe either of those statements are or will be true. First we have no idea what status they will eventually end up with as PNG doesn’t have to grant any of them citizenship, only residence. Not that it matters in practice because second, if this government had the moral courage to send country shoppers/illegal entrants back to their countries of citizenship they would have been doing it for the last 6 years.

    Lastly, the political and social pressures I mentioned will unquestionably be brought to bear. Particularly if current PNG citizens don’t take well to the newbies being parachuted into their midst. PNG is generally a heartbeat away from another incident of ethnic violenceon its best days. Add the rest of the factors I mentioned in my first post and you have pretty strong case for the country shoppers having been placed in a situation where they “fear persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or because they are a member of a persecuted ‘social group’ or because they are fleeing a war or natural disaster.”

    Viola, asylum seekers.

  23. cynical1

    “Does PNG have the capacity to support a load of refugees who are unwilling/unable to work. And I mean when they are resettled, not when in detention. Or is the point of the policy that PNG is such a shithole with poor welfare that the bludgers won’t want to settle there”.

    Don’t be surprised if Centrelink is opening branches in PNG as we speak…….

  24. TP

    Putting aside the inability of the Rudd governments to coordinate this scheme and get the costing correct, there are still a number of problems for Australia:
    1. As Manus Island is only 150kms from Australia a boat can pull up and grab 20 or 30 asylum seekers at any time.
    2. If they became PNG citizens you cannot stop them from getting on a plane and ‘visiting’ Australia never to be seen again. Once citizens of PNG they cannot be held captive there.

  25. johno

    PNG is generally a heartbeat away from another incident of ethnic violence on its best days.

    I note that the ABC was quick to cobble together as many malcontents in PNG as it could when it run Krudd’s media release on this issue.

    Once again, details and a lack of consultation to uncover the consequences of decisions will be Krudd’s undoing.

    As Krudd systematically works through the policy issues that have plagued Labor, the Coalition needs to remind people that this is kevi. Big on announcements. Absolutely crap on delivery. There is little prospect of any of kevi’s solutions producing the desired results.

  26. Alfonso

    if Indonesia can in the blink of an eye ban non visa holding Iranians what’s their pretend problem with applying that to the 8 other countries that supply illegal immigrant boat customers?
    Indonesia says it has a “refugee” problem….ok, ban their entry by airline without genuine tourist or business visas.

  27. Tel

    FWIW, Ken Parish has been pushing PNG as a possible destination for some time:

    http://clubtroppo.com.au/2011/07/21/asylum-seekers-an-update/

    That makes it all the more important to conclude a deal with PNG for a permanent offshore detention facility there. We haven’t heard much about progress on that front recently, probably because of Sir Michael Somare’s illness and retirement from public life. Now Kevin07 is crook with heart trouble too. Maybe Julia should just bite the bullet, swallow her pride and do a deal with Nauru now they’ve signed the Refugee Convention.

    … also …

    That message could be reinforced by making it clear that jumping on a boat and ending up in PNG or Nauru will confer no priority whatsoever over those waiting patiently in Indonesia or Malaysia. They can pay $10K to people smugglers, get processed and wait in a camp in Nauru or PNG (if they survive the boat trip), or safeguard their own lives and save their money by waiting. Surely that would smash the people smuggglers’ business model?

    http://clubtroppo.com.au/2012/06/27/abbott-is-right-just-for-once/

    Personally I think the Malaysian option would have worked, but that’s gone now so we are basically back to Tony Abbott’s plan. Just a choice of Abbott’s plan as implemented by Abbott himself, or Abbott’s plan as implemented by Kevin.

  28. Louis Hissink

    The ABC has just noticed that PNG is very Christian, so dropping Muslims into that culture might be, er, problematical. Good one KRudd.

  29. cohenite

    This is truly evil by rudd; as others have noted he has just brought them closer; since most of them are muslims he will be increasing the number of muslims in an already unstable country wracked by tribalism.

    It is evident everywhere in the West that when the population of muslims hits about 5% you have massive social dislocation, enclaving, no-go zones and sharia operating. It’ll happen quicker in PNG.

    So rudd has created the beginning of a radicalised muslim outpost on our doorsteps.

    You couldn’t do this any better if you planned to do it. Rudd and his mates are traitors.

  30. Snoopy

    A big weakness as far as I can see is that only those judged to be bona fide refugees are sent to PNG. The others a sent back home. But Iran does not does not accept returnees. So what happens to them?

  31. Popular Front

    PNG is generally a heartbeat away from another incident of ethnic violence on its best days.

    Did you know that in PNG/Irian Jaya there are nearly 800 local dialects? The clan structure and culture is extremely strong and those fellas will go toe-to-toe with the next mob at the drop of a hat. Those Iranians/Afghans/Tamils will have to tread very lightly.

  32. Zatara

    If they became PNG citizens you cannot stop them from getting on a plane and ‘visiting’ Australia never to be seen again. Once citizens of PNG they cannot be held captive there.

    A very good point TP. The word ‘if’ being the critical one as the country shoppers don’t have to accept citizenship in PNG at all and it cannot be forced on them.

  33. The boats will still come, people will die, the cost will be insurmountable, I presume every person will be on welfare paid for by Australia including PNG and resettlement will be in PMG, NZ. The problem has not been solved just moved. The only thing I can say it is a better deal than they would get under Hitler.

  34. jupes

    The ABC has just noticed that PNG is very Christian, so dropping Muslims into that culture might be, er, problematical.

    LOL. Dropping Muslims into any culture is problematical you idiots.

  35. candy

    I agree Maggie, it’s still mass dumping of people including women and children from one country to another to another. Is there enough jobs in PNG. These are to be genuine refugees, and will they be locked up?

    I really think this is Rudd trying to appeal to racism instincts for one reason only, to get elected.

  36. Popular Front

    The ABC has just noticed that PNG is very Christian, so dropping Muslims into that culture might be, er, problematical.

    Always has been. The Christian missionaries of all denominations were the men and women who opened up the country, followed by gold miners, then the planters and traders like Burns Philp. The difference between Oz & PNG is if they start gobbing off about sharia law or muslim rights up there, they’re likely to get a spear in the guts or a face full of buckshot.
    As you may know, arab muslim traders roamed far and wide throughout the SW Pacific however the ones who landed on PNG looking to exploit were clubbed and eaten. PNG was a no-go area ever after.

  37. jupes

    The problem has not been solved just moved.

    The problem is Labor’s ability to implement the policy. The policy itself has many good points. Look at it from the illegal immigrant’s point of view. Would you pay $10,000 to be processed then settled in PNG?

  38. val majkus

    It’s also typical Rudd
    Create a problem; deny the problem exists; then announce a circuit breaker which entails throwing money to get it to go away and announce it just before an election so implementation is not a factor
    The Lib’s solution is a more cost effective way of deterring people smugglers
    I wouldn’t trust Rudd to tell us the whole truth
    Bolt today points to the article by Greg Sheridan in the Oz

    Rudd was at pains to give the impression that everyone who comes to Australia by boat will go to PNG.

    [PNG Prime Minister Peter] O’Neill, on the other hand, said he wouldn’t place a figure on the numbers but, perhaps ominously, seemed to have a limited number in mind. He said: “We will take as much as we can based on the capacities we have, and we are building new capacities.” That sounds like a PNG Prime Minister who wants to help but has clear limits.

  39. calli

    Women, children and family groups (not to be split up) are exempted. So instead of boats full of young men they will be crowded with more vulnerable people.

    This could be yet another tragedy about to unfold.

  40. Tintarella di Luna

    Would you pay $10,000 to be processed then settled in PNG?

    But wouldn;t they be getting the same welfare benefits as if they were landed in Australia and then they could simply get on a plane and come here as overstay any visa with family which is already here and disappear in the community. It’s a win win. The people smugglers are smarter than Rudd they weren’t smarter than Howard but they are miles smarter than Rudd the ADDudman.

  41. Robbo

    Rudd’s great solution to the mess he created. Don’t stop the boats, let the bastards drown and those that do make it will be taken to PNG and left there to either rot or give up and be sent back to their homeland. Good one Kevin. Another policy made up on the run that has so many holes it could well sink you as well as the boats you nasty, incompetent, untruthful little tosser.

  42. Tintarella di Luna

    Rudd has promised PNG PM O’Neill the world and will give him an Atlas.

  43. The solution is good. PNG will be a good place for refugees – they will have to make their own way. Learn the language, interact, work – there aren’t other choices. Because the place is not overly developed, finding areas to contribute quickly will be easier than in Australia.

    Labor has endless capacity to stuff things up though.

  44. val majkus

    But wouldn;t they be getting the same welfare benefits as if they were landed in Australia

    well if this is the case why don’t we just send the money to people waiting to get on boats in Indonesia and pay them to stay away
    I think the processing is proposed to be under PNG supervision and resettlement in PNG or a third country would be under that country’s laws
    I don’t know but someone in another thread said there was no welfare in PNG

  45. Zatara

    Would you pay $10,000 to be processed then settled in PNG?

    Sure. “Processed” generally means getting free stuff and “settled” is absolutely meaningless in their cases because unless you put them behind barbed wire they are still going to get on boats and head for Australia with the asylum seeker banner flying.

    Think of it as getting mints on the pillow and a complimentary bottle of water at your layover hotel.

    Besides, it’s a lot shorter boat ride from PNG than from Jakarta.

  46. Louis Hissink

    As you may know, arab muslim traders roamed far and wide throughout the SW Pacific however the ones who landed on PNG looking to exploit were clubbed and eaten. PNG was a no-go area ever after.

    As the late Michael Rockerfeller apparently discovered decades ago; he disappeared into PNG and was never heard from since. The biologist Lyall Watson is reasonably certain he came across MR’s skull in one of the PNG villages, as he recounts in one of his books. (Perhaps it was Irian Jaya, not sure about the precise location).

    Irrespective, KRudd has done it again, created another mess.

  47. Popular Front

    Yes Louis, I heard that story myself when I was up there.

  48. jupes

    Sorry, but I don’t believe either of those statements are or will be true.

    There was a group from PNG three or four years ago who reckoned that Australia was required to grant them citizenship due to Australia’s administration of PNG prior to independence, and a few of them crossed the Torres Strait to seek asylum. Australia sent them straight back. Sorry, I can’t find a link.

    You may be right about the asylum shoppers being granted residency rather than citizenship, but I don’t think it will make any practical difference if they cross the Torres Strait. An Australian government with resolve should send them strait back.

    I agree with you that the government should be sending them back to their country of origin already but don’t have the moral courage. They are hiding behind the non-refoulement principle that you can’t send someone back to a country where they are allegedly being prosecuted. Also Iran has said it won’t accept their reffos back so Australia meekly accepts that. None of this should be a problem with PNG and any of them trying it on should be sent strait back on the next flight.

  49. cohenite

    This is not an immigration, legal or otherwise, issue.

    It is an islam issue. Most of the boat people are islam.

    Islam does not assimilate. It is that which should be being discussed.

    But of course it won’t be because the mythical moderate muslim will be wheeled out along with the usual racism oxymorons.

  50. delfino

    Tintarella, you made me chuckle with your second comment. So true. Am with you on your first comment also. Why are people agonising over recycled kevvie4kevvie’s new thought bubble. David Manne was quick to jump up and ready to start swinging, can hardly wait to run to the High Court for another go. Yay more money for him.
    Interesting however to see when the election will be called. I initially thought kevvie4kevvie would want to string it out, give him time to ponce around the world as PM, just in case those new love polls are wrong. Not so sure now.

  51. Popular Front

    someone in another thread said there was no welfare in PNG

    Correct, there isn’t. You either work, farm subsistence, or scrounge.

  52. Zatara

    I have just been corrected by my partner. The country shoppers won’t have to use boats as Saibai Island is the closest point of Australia to PNG. As they are only separated by 3.75 Kms of water any reasonably fit person can just swim in.

  53. TP

    Forgot to mention my third point: where is this mysterious third destination ? Is it Fantasy Island and they will be greeted by Tattoo????

  54. Islam does not assimilate

    At least in PNG it can be digested.

  55. Willmott Fribbish

    Even if the resettled “asylum seekers” are granted PNG citizenship (which is by no means a given), it won’t give them any special privileges in Australia, as some seem to believe. They will have to get a visa to go (legally) to Australia – there is not even a “visa on arrival” arrangement for Papua New Guineans. They certainly can’t work in Australia or claim benefits. And forget about trying to get asylum seeker status out of PNG: Australia will ship them back without further consideration. No doubt some will try the “tinnie to Cape York” option, but that isn’t as easy as people think either.
    If they stay in PNG, most likely they will get a minimal Centrelink payment from Oz (can’t be NewStart – no jobs in PNG) and live in abject poverty and considerable physical danger on the fringes of PNG society. Contrary to some opinion expressed here, Islam is not flavour of the month in PNG and is never likely to be.

  56. Token

    Rudd has promised PNG PM O’Neill the world and will give him an Atlas.

    Rudd knows he won’t be around to pay on all the IOUs he is writing.

  57. sabrina

    The situation was really going out of control, created SOLELY due to Rudd’s dismantling of Howard’s policy which was working.

    I hope this new policy works as many of the arraivals appear to be economic migrant. This just could not have gone on. Let’s see if it works. But Rudd’s short-sightedness and over-enthusiasm caused it.

  58. Token

    As you may know, arab muslim traders roamed far and wide throughout the SW Pacific however the ones who landed on PNG looking to exploit were clubbed and eaten. PNG was a no-go area ever after.

    They also now how the muslim dominated Javanese Empire treats their cousins in the west oof their island.

  59. Popular Front

    Pay that one Driftforge, made me laugh out loud.

  60. Tintarella di Luna

    someone in another thread said there was no welfare in PNG

    Correct, there isn’t. You either work, farm subsistence, or scrounge.

    D’y think for one second that the PNG PM wouldn’t get a deal where the Australian taxpayer give PNG an all-expenses paid asylum-seeker population? He might be dumb but he ain’t that dumb

    Besides the people in PNG already work, farm subsistence, or scrounge and it ain’t going too well vis a vis first world economy-building-wise

    Correct, there isn’t. You either work, farm subsistence, or scrounge.

  61. Tintarella di Luna

    Does anyone think this might be an election-winner for PNG PM O’Neill? I mean a slogan like: “An asylum seeker in every pot” might go down well in the rugged Highlands

  62. Zatara

    Australia will ship them back without further consideration

    I’ll see your “shipped back without further consideration” and raise you 30,000+ in the last six years where Australia did exactly the opposite.

    But your faith is touching.

  63. Willmott Fribbish

    And a bit more on what the “asylum seekers” will find in PNG. There is no social welfare (not even an aged pension), no medical benefits, no subsidised medicine, no public housing, and a dire shortage of accommodation, meaning that rents are astronomical. Public transport in most parts of PNG is dangerous (both in terms of unroadworthiness of vehicles and the likelihood of being assaulted or robbed), doubly so for foreigners. There is already an undercurrent of resentment against foreigners throughout PNG, manifesting in sporadic violence against Asians. If they have the money they may be able to buy themselves into acceptance of sorts in the PNG economy. If not, no one will help them, save perhaps some local charities, who have difficulty enough assisting the poor and marginalised Papua New Guineans.

  64. val majkus

    Bolt is reporting

    Asylum seekers sent to Manus island as part of a proposed 3000-capacity asylum seeker processing centre will not be settled in Papua New Guinea.
    Manus Island MP Ronnie Knight said the proposed regional hub facility will be used strictly for processing refugee claims.

    “There is no mention of resettling anybody in Papua New Guinea,” Mr Knight told AAP.

    link here
    You’ve got to check everything Rudd says every which way

  65. cohenite

    Islam does not assimilate

    At least in PNG it can be digested.

    Pass the salt.

  66. Zatara

    “I agree with you that the government should be sending them back to their country of origin already but don’t have the moral courage. They are hiding behind the non-refoulement principle that you can’t send someone back to a country where they are allegedly being prosecuted.”

    We certainly agree on that. When they ditch their papers it’s also difficult to prove what country they are citizens of and therefore where to return them to. The solution to that one is painfully simple, you send them back to where they just came from. Which has the multiple advantages of being eminently fair, establishing yourself as a country who has enough self-respect to enforce its laws, and it’s a hell of a lot cheaper than any other solution.

    But again, you have to have the courage to actually do it. You have to viscerally understand that either sovereignty means something, or it means nothing.

  67. will be 150 Kms mainland to mainland, more like 50-60 island to island…..

    About 4km from the nearest Australian town to PNG. There is already a significant overstayer problem with PNG citizens. Though mainland-t0-mainland tinnie transfer isn’t as easy as it sounds. Getting to the start point in PNG is about like getting yourself by pushbike from Melbourne to the remotest part of the Kimberly Coast, and upon arrival at the tip of Cape York – well then what? Cape York is 500km of wilderness.

  68. Rabz

    More horse manure from Rudd.

    As noted above Abbott should call his bluff and demand that parliament be recalled and this so called ‘policy’ be legislated.

    Then let’s see how keen Rudd and the other lying dickheads are on such a course of action.

  69. Willmott Fribbish

    I’ll see your “shipped back without further consideration” and raise you 30,000+ in the last six years where Australia did exactly the opposite.

    If they become PNG citizens, it all changes. It’s been tried before – PNG people try to claim asylum, and they get short shrift from Australia.

    Try reading the post properly.

  70. As Manus Island is only 150kms from Australia a boat can pull up and grab 20 or 30 asylum seekers at any time.

    Er…. from Manus Island to the nearest part of Australia is about Two Thousand km over ocean.

  71. Gab

    Are we being lied to again?

    Manus Island MP Ronnie Knight:

    There is no mention of resettling anybody in Papua New Guinea. Our policy will not be to settle asylum seekers here, but we will be facilitating them to go to other, third countries … This is not going down well with locals.

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/07/19/12/24/png-to-become-refugee-processing-hub

  72. Zatara

    Try reading the post properly.

    I did. I disagree that they will EVER chose to become PNG citizens for one, and I disagree that Australia will send them back in the face of the same international, and internal to be honest, pressure that has caused her to fail to send them back in 30,000+ cases in the last 6 years.

    Your example of PNG citizens who decided they should be grandfathered Austeralian citizenship has nothing whatsoever to do with this situation.

  73. candy

    The ads are appearing already apparently to warn people smugglers.
    The speed of this is amazing. KRudd must have had all this lined up months ago, even before he knifed J. Gillard.

  74. Willmott Fribbish

    Are we being lied to again?

    Probably.

    Just because O’Neill signs some kind of memorandum, it doesn’t mean that it’s a done deal. Wait for the legal challenges in the PNG courts, the endless delays by PNG bureaucrats, the rorts by contractors, the civil unrest by disgruntled villagers and the sheer impossibility of getting anything done in PNG.

    But of course the election will be over by the time all of this becomes evident.

  75. egg_

    Islam does not assimilate

    At least in PNG it can be digested.

    Pass the salt.

    KRudd: Would you like sugar with that?

  76. Boambee John

    If the ALP caucus, the members of Fairfax and the ABC, the “human rights” industry and the trolls who infest this and other non-“progressive” sites actually believe even ten percent of what they have been saying for over a decade, they will rise up unanimously and demand Rudd’s removal.

    Perhaps a caucus petition like that supposedly being raised against Gillard a few weeks back is already under way? After all, 45 of the caucus stuck with Gillard, they only beed to persuade another seven.

    Then again, it might be a case of preferring “Power Without Glory”!

  77. egg_

    we will be facilitating them to go to other, third countries …

    Like ummm… maybe, Australia?

  78. Boambee John

    D’oh! “beed” = “need”.

  79. And a bit more on what the “asylum seekers” will find in PNG. There is no social welfare (not even an aged pension), no medical benefits, no subsidised medicine, no public housing, and a dire shortage of accommodation, meaning that rents are astronomical. Public transport in most parts of PNG is dangerous (both in terms of unroadworthiness of vehicles and the likelihood of being assaulted or robbed), doubly so for foreigners. There is already an undercurrent of resentment against foreigners throughout PNG, manifesting in sporadic violence against Asians. If they have the money they may be able to buy themselves into acceptance of sorts in the PNG economy. If not, no one will help them, save perhaps some local charities, who have difficulty enough assisting the poor and marginalised Papua New Guineans.

    PNG. Libertarian paradise?

    Heh.

    But really, that is not a bad thing. These people will have to make their own way, and they are capable of doing so in PNG. It won’t be easy, but there is no particular reason it should be. If they are distributed about the country, and away from Moresby, Lae and Hagen, they should do ok.

  80. Willmott Fribbish

    I did. I disagree that they will EVER chose to become PNG citizens for one, and I disagree that Australia will send them back in the face of the same international, and internal to be honest, pressure that has caused her to fail to send them back in 30,000+ cases in the last 6 years.

    You seriously think that having been accepted as refugees and “re-settled” in PNG, people who try to claim asylum AGAIN in Australia will get anything more than a quick trip back to PNG?? You’re delusional.

    And aside from the Papuans who thought they were Australian, there have been several cases of non-Papuans who have tried the “asylum” ploy, mainly to get away from tribal punishments and the like. None of them succeeded.

  81. egg_

    As noted above Abbott should call his bluff and demand that parliament be recalled and this so called ‘policy’ be legislated.

    Yup, call Sideshow Bob’s bluff.

  82. Makka

    O’Niell is a crook of the highest degree. I cannot say how I know, other than to say close connections to him in that space are known to me.

    This deal is a gift from heaven- in fact from (sun) God. O’Nile will be in raptures.

    He will find easily implemented and legal PNG ways to make millions from this and the increased Aid , with contracts and procedural perversions that funnel large quantities of Australian taxpayer moneys into accounts over which he has ultimate- although remote- control. Rudd has found a very willing partner in his slimy game of people warehousing.

    I’m not expecting any media exposes in this space anytime soon. I trust the Left are rightfully proud of their glorious achievements in this regard. After thousands of dead , now this. Well done, indeed.

  83. Louis Hissink

    The ads are appearing already apparently to warn people smugglers.
    The speed of this is amazing. KRudd must have had all this lined up months ago, even before he knifed J. Gillard.

    They are, after all, central planners and this might have been cooked up quite a while ago. I wonder how many of the backroom people are linked to the Tammany Hall machine in the US that is Obama’s support base.

    Obviously they think the are dealing with dense rubes, which isn’t too bad an assumption given the pitiful state of our education system.

  84. Gab

    This deal is a gift from heaven- in fact from (sun) God

    And the media is a gift from heaven for Emperor Rudd. Any journalists bother to ask him how much this will cost? Or did they again just swallow his say-so that he’s not divulging the cost?

  85. Willmott Fribbish

    These people will have to make their own way, and they are capable of doing so in PNG. It won’t be easy, but there is no particular reason it should be. If they are distributed about the country, and away from Moresby, Lae and Hagen, they should do ok.

    You may be right Driftforge. They’ll either sink or swim.

  86. Balatro

    Groucho Marx once said “I’m a man of principle and if you don’t like that, well – I have others!”
    He was a comedian, and very good at what he did.
    Kevin Rudd is also very good at what he does, but he doesn’t make me smile at all.
    Because Groucho’s joke is Rudd’s ethic.

  87. Gab

    Hmmm

    There were immediate doubts over Mr Rudd’s commitments, given reports from Port Moresby that the capacity of the Manus Island detention centre would be capped at 3000 people, making it difficult for the arrangement to exceed that limit. With about 500 asylum-seekers coming each week this year, the Manus Island facility would be full within six weeks, testing the Labor plan just as it goes to the election.

    And yet Rudd said:

    Yesterday the Prime Minister made it clear there would be no limit on the number of people to be redirected to PNG under the policy shift.

    Something’s rotten in all of this. Strong feeling we are being lied to, again.

  88. Infidel tiger

    If Rudds asylum fix is so sweet why did he choose to announce it at the traditional bad news dump time of 5pm Friday? Surely you’d wait until Monday morn and get a weeks full of fellatio from Australia’s fearsome media pack.?

  89. sabrina

    Islam is a religion, people practising Islam are Moslem or Muslims.

  90. johninoxley

    Tell the locals they taste like chicken.

  91. Zatara

    “You seriously think that having been accepted as refugees and “re-settled” in PNG, people who try to claim asylum AGAIN in Australia will get anything more than a quick trip back to PNG?? You’re delusional.”

    Somehow I bet you said that when someone first proposed a tax on carbon as well…..

    Or when someone suggested that there may someday be 30,000+ illegal immigrants living the life of Reilly on the Australian taxpayers tab.

    Paradigms shift mate. There is absolutely NOTHING this government won’t do.

    I not only seriously think it, I’d bet the house on it.

  92. Ant

    Rudd’s policy is about fixing the headlines, not fixing the disaster he set in motion.

    And since when has something he’s announced with great fanfare actually resembled the eventual consequences?

    But I see Bolt was immediately sucked in, saying it might deliver Labor the election.

    Give it time, people. It’s Rudd, so eventually it will turn into manure.

  93. candy

    If Rudds asylum fix is so sweet why did he choose to announce it at the traditional bad news dump time of 5pm Friday? Surely you’d wait until Monday morn and get a weeks full of fellatio from Australia’s fearsome media pack.?

    Perhaps election announcement next week after further bump in the polls.
    PNG is meant to be the crowning glory for election campaign, I expect.

  94. Gab

    In a departure from current practice, the new regime means those found to be refugees will be resettled in PNG while those who do not gain refugee status may be repatriated to their country of origin or sent to a safe third country.

    For years we were told this is impossible to do becuase they have destroyed their ID papers so better let them settle in Austraya as no other country would take them. That’s what we’ve been fed but now, miraculously, things have changed.

    We’re being fed more bull.

  95. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “But I see Bolt was immediately sucked in …”

    I wondered about Bolt pre Comrade Bogan Broadasks’ ascension. He trumpeted her “qualities”, all of which were non existent to an inquisitive observer. He was dreadfully wrong in his assessment.

    He embarked on a similar ship with Comrade Albosleazy just a week or two ago.

    Bolt is useful at chasing down the detail of global non warming and in the obscenity that is aboriginal politics. The number of headlines he puts out each day is a useful starting point to discover what they’re up to. His analytical skills in politics are very, very poor and that is why he is easily “sucked in”.

  96. Give it time, people. It’s Rudd, so eventually it will turn into manure.

    Except – I’d rather this didn’t turn to manure. It’s a good idea, for all concerned. It will cut transit rates, it will get things back under control and it will provide refuge for those who do need it, in a place where they have something to offer.

    Now we just need to change government so that someone who can execute successfully gets put in charge.

  97. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “Islam is a religion, people practising Islam are Moslem or Muslims.”

    Put the dictionary away sabrina – it’s a medieval death cult. Its target is you and me.

  98. Gab

    It will cut transit rates,

    They’re picked up at sea by our Navy/Customs vessels and shipped to Christmas Island.
    Then they’re flown to Manus Island
    Then they’re (allegedly) flown to either PNG mainland or a third country.

    How much will all this cost?

    Oh, you mean this will deter them from leaving Indonesia by boat? Remains to be seen.

  99. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “We’re being fed more bull.”

    Having thought about all this overnight Gabrielle I have concluded His yawsome initiative is full of holes financially, practically, legally and politically. Only two people are beaming, His Glorious self and Peter O’Neill, the latter only ‘cos of the loot on offer.

    One can be certain there has been no Cabinet or Caucus discussion, no objective critique by his parliamentary allies and, from the outset, no careful development of the costs, benefits and “what ifs” by objective policy boffins. It therefore has the makings of early exposure of some fundamental flaw well before the implementation phase (a common phenomenon with His many wise and courageous ideas).

    He’s once again brought together all his enemies onto a single battlefront – Greens; reffo heart bleeders; Labor parliamentary colleagues; the Useless Nations, who demand that reffos end up only in targeted wealthy white countries; people smuggler lobbyists in the charities and Melbourne lawyer circles; ambulance chaser lawyers whose cash flow is at risk; the High Court branch of the ALP; the Ultimo branch of the ALP (adopting its default position on noble savages who don’t ever get resettled near their homes); the DIMIA branch of the ALP; and Raskols, independence activists, tribal chiefs and ordinary strugglers in PNG.

    They’ll all be peddling their separate causes with great vigour and His splendid policy is not robust enough to survive the pushing and shoving it’s about to receive.

  100. Gab

    He’s once again spending his way out of a problem he created, Mick. Like O’Neil said: we hope this works.

    Hope? You’re not sure? Oh…

  101. candy

    I wonder which country(ies) is the third country who has agreed to warehouse the economic asylum seekers, since the genuine refugees are apparently going to PNG. This could be thousands.

  102. The fact that the ABC, which normally lines up to be first to intellectually fellate him, is now considering slipping the dentures back in and chowing down, suggests that everything may yet come unglued in short order.

    His FBT thought bubble has been popped, and holes are already starting to appear in this one.

    He’s been back no more than a month, and already the Old Rudd is starting to show itself. The fate of the nation hinges on this question daily: can he fuck it all up for himself in a month if he calls an election now?

  103. Gab

    Yes, Candy I asked the same earlier. I’m tipping Rudd will pay to have them taken by other countries.
    So the people-smuggling business is alive and well under brand Labor, competing with the Indo people-smuggling industry..

  104. stackja

    I view Kev’s latest boat spin:

    August 20, 2012
    Kevin Rudd’s dying words as prime minister
    were that he would never lurch to the right on asylum seekers, as was demanded of him as a condition of keeping his job.

    Like I view Julia’s spin on 16 August 2010

    “Julia Gillard’s pre-election promise ‘there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead’

  105. Snoopy

    Has the MOU Rudd signed with PNG been released? I want to see it.

  106. caveman

    Expect alot of car dash head wobblers to be exported from PNG.

  107. egg_

    Perhaps election announcement next week after further bump in the polls.

    If there’s a bump in the polls.
    How big a bump is sufficient for KRudd?
    He was forced into a showdown with Gillard.

  108. johno

    Mike of Gold Coast

    His analytical skills in politics are very, very poor and that is why he is easily “sucked in”.

    What a load of bollocks. Andrew’s political skills are very good. From memory he was on to the possibility of a change from Rudd to Gillard before most of the other media and call out Gillard as being politically incompetent before most.

    Re-reading his initial post on Rudd’s Pacific solution doesn’t support your claim that he was ‘suckered in’.

  109. Gab

    Too close to the truth, Honey and well done.

    By the way, what did you use to insert the talk bubbles onto the pic?

  110. egg_

    a graphic on unintended consequences heh heh

    Art imitates life. 😉

  111. JimD

    Has the MOU Rudd signed with PNG been released? I want to see it.
    A postage stamp version of encyclopedia brittanica would be more informative.

  112. Jack Spratt

    Mick,
    I agree with pretty much everything you said, except the loot on offer bit.
    I suspect, given O’Neill’s smile, that significant loot has already changed hands, with more to come.

  113. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “What a load of bollocks. Andrew’s political skills are very good.

    Re-reading his initial post on Rudd’s Pacific solution doesn’t support your claim that he was ‘suckered in’.”

    Oh yeah johno?

    “This is a masterstroke from Rudd. It might deliver him the election.” pants Bolt.

    You’re easily satisfied.

    Now go back and read over the past several years to discover gems of insight such as the First Bludger being a “good bloke”, Comrade Broadasks being an outstanding political strategist, sympathy for Comrade PantsDown and all the rest of it – there’s plenty to see if you open your eyes. Then come back here and tell me about Bolt and “bollocks”.

  114. Rob

    Contrary to some opinion expressed here, Islam is not flavour of the month in PNG and is never likely to be

    Driftforge begs to differ.

    At least in PNG it can be digested.

  115. Gab

    Given there is no social security in PNG, those that will be resettled there (allegedly) will survive how? I guess Australian taxpayers will continue to foot the sugar on the table bill, only transferred to PNG this time.

    Also, this deal is only for 12 months. What happens after that? Say the influx of boats problem is solved by this deal with PNG, will the deal then be called off? And then will the boats start coming back? Or will the $$$$billion deal be ongoing past 12 months?

  116. JimD

    Bishop on 24 just intimated Somare enemy said different to Abbott c/f wot Rudd said to the TV.

  117. brc

    Rudd is calculating that the left will remain locked in behind him while he jumps further than Abbott in treatment of boat people. However I suspect many of the teeth gnashers will not fall in. Expect plenty of noise from the greens, and a big lift in greens primary vote.

    I also suspect those who didn’t want Rudd back have not been consulted on this one, and we might see the strain starting to show. Just as many here said they would rather see Rudd elected than abandon principle to go with Turnbull,there will be a big cohort on the other side who just can’t get on board with this ‘solution’ because it means abandoning principle that they have wailed about for ten years.

  118. JimD

    Zenaphone on 24 reckons todays ads in AU papers abuse of Govt ad guidelines. Bewdy.

  119. brc

    I also think the cannibalism jokes should be dropped. I’m sure the people of PNG don’t like people carrying on like that, any more than australians like English people looking down their noses at what uncultered yobbos all Australians are.

  120. egg_

    there will be a big cohort on the other side who just can’t get on board with this ‘solution’ because it means abandoning principle that they have wailed about for ten years

    Which hopefully gets plenty of airing for the ‘late swinging voters’.

  121. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Cheer up brc, no-one wants to drop meat into their jungle cooking pot that isn’t happy until the moment just before. It comes out all stressed and stringy.

    Now I’ll do a whitefella feast dance for you.

  122. cohenite

    Islam is a religion, people practising Islam are Moslem or Muslims.

    That’s a valuable fucking contribution to the discussion.

    I also think the cannibalism jokes should be dropped

    It’s part of their heritage, and relevant too because the odds are they have eaten muslims/moslems before.

    I mean if it’s good enough for the Japanese to claim privilege of heritage for eating whales why can’t the New Guineans do the same about eating muslims/moslems?

    Or are you suggesting some cultural attributes are good while others are bad? If so, tell us a few good ones about islam.

  123. JimD

    MPrick Gold Coast QLD
    Sometimes you entertaining. Today you sick. $11m about to head to St Vincents for you & ilk.

  124. JC

    I also think the cannibalism jokes should be dropped.

    Why, they’re hysterical. Puts Ramadan in a whole different light.

    I’m sure the people of PNG don’t like people carrying on like that, any more than australians like English people looking down their noses at what uncultered yobbos all Australians are.

    Oh please. I bet you there’s not one single NG’er who reads the Cat.

  125. JimD

    cohenitelite
    tell us a few good ones about islam.</del>
    May the fillings in your foul mouth get unstuck by chewing on underdone pork(ie) crackling.

  126. And Another Thing

    Here’s what will happen. A conga line of immigration lawyers will be waiting to test this in the High Court.

    Crud very likely hasn’t sought a legal opinion from the Attorney-General’s department about any problems like to be encountered. Don’t forget the so- called Malaysia solution.

    Like all his other stunts, Crud hopes there will be no fallout until he’s safely reinstalled in the Lodge.

    Another stroke of genius set to fail and cost us millions.

  127. Gab

    Another stroke of genius set to fail and cost us millions.

    Billions. This will make the NBN boondoggle look like chump change.

  128. calli

    The visitor centre in Goroka (run by a very well educated New Guinea National) used to sell a cookbook called ‘Kai Kai Ani Ani’. In it were recipes for all sorts of delicacies, such as bat, possum and the staple, pig. She used to take great delight in pointing out one of the entries under ‘M’ (and no, it wasn’t a religion based ingredient).

    The book was a bestseller!

  129. Alfonso

    Iranians let loose in PNG society? Impossible; a Lu Kewen con job. He thought no-0ne would notice and in the MSM’s case he is always correct.

    Ashes to ashes dust to dust….if the Rascals don’t get them the Kukukus must.

  130. JimD

    Oh please. I bet you there’s not one single NG’er who reads the Cat.
    J esus C hrist
    Talking behind peoples backs is ok then? Fn shithead.

  131. Andrew

    It is a tough policy but I still don’t think it is as harsh (or as good) as Howard’s policy in it’s initial form. I highly doubt Labor could implement such a policy and there are many questions over cost and social costs about PNG’s involvement that could cause problems.

    It is politically quite smart when trying to stop people swing from Labor to Liberal.

  132. JimD

    Fucking Berk is on 24 trying to justify its two faced about face. Scumbags the lot of ém.

  133. Gab

    Contacted separately on Friday, Marty [Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa ] denied claims made by foreign media that the government’s decision to stop issuing Iranians VOAs was based on a request from Australia. “No, that is not true,” he told The Jakarta Post via text message.

    Presidential spokesman Teuku Faizasyah said he did not know if Australia was behind the policy, but acknowledged that the VOA facility was reviewed annually and that many Iranians had misused the facility.

    According to the BNN, authorities arrested 158 drug dealers last year, 5 percent of whom were foreign nationals, primarily Iranian, and distributed more drugs than locally based dealers, it said.

    Iranian Embassy spokesman Ali Pahlevi Rad said on Friday that he could not comment on the government’s decision to scrap Iran from the list of countries allowed to use the VOA facility. “We have not seen any formal announcement or ratification, so we are still waiting to hear from the Indonesian government,” he told the Post.

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/07/20/no-more-visa-arrivals-iranians-govt-says.html

  134. JC

    Who’s talking behind peoples back, JimD, you ignoramus. It’s a fact that the people whom BRC or whoever thought could be offended won’t be.

    Let me guess, another Bolt-head, right?

  135. JC

    cohenitelite
    tell us a few good ones about islam.
    May the fillings in your foul mouth get unstuck by chewing on underdone pork(ie) crackling.

    Any chance could open up his comments threads? Some of these bolt heads are worthless douchebags.

  136. JimD

    The Berk is still stumbling viz zip the big fishing boat.

  137. egg_

    Bad news for KRudd:

    “An election campaign for the most part is about activation, not persuasion,” Shaw explains. “Activation is about reminding people why they’re a Democrat or a Republican. The problem is the concept of activation is not the sexiest story of the election, so journalists tend to write about people who defect from their party and over-report the experiences of a small group, which distorts our understanding of the political landscape.
    “Many Americans may feel uncomfortable with the partisan postures of their parties and their candidates,” Shaw adds. “But voters are still loyal members of their respective parties. Party affiliation continues to be a primary shaper, if not the primary shaper, of election behavior.”

  138. JC

    So bolt Head, Jim D is sitting around watching ABC 24 and giving us up to the minute tweet-like comments on what is being said next. How interesting.

  139. Gab

    I have no idea who or what he’s yammering on about.

  140. JC

    Someone’s cooking a cake on the cooking channel.

  141. Gab

    I’m making Osso Buco as we speak.

  142. JC

    I have no idea who or what he’s yammering on about.

    It’s Bolt’s fault. He doesn’t exactly send the best and brightest here.

    Note:

    Infomercial on Channel 90 about a new and advanced sponge.

  143. JC

    I’m making Osso Buco as we speak.

    Late lunch, I had a ham baguette and an apple& walnut salad.

    Note:
    Old movie on Channel 58, in black and white with snowflakes.

  144. JimD

    Heh
    The berks still perking

  145. JC

    JimD

    Get out of you underwear and go take a freaking shower, You’ve been in front of that TV all day since you got out of bed, you filthy thing.

    New informerical of channel 89.

  146. WhaleHunt Fun

    Surely you have a tele in your bedroom? why would any one arise to watch tv in this day and age.

  147. JimD

    Not watching, listening.Thanks for the prompt though. Had a captain and the berk sure looks a lot more drawn than when it was destroying the darling and fucking fishing.

  148. Armadillo

    The entire reason Rimmer has had to embark on this little “adventure” is that the Australian population won’t stand for the flood of illegal immigrants. Australia is a 1st world country and educated.

    Imagine how this going to “go down” amongst the locals in PNG – especially when your average PNG citizen will get nothing from it. If Australian’s are angry about these country shoppers, what of an uneducated Papuan living in poverty and watching these people sucking up their resources? FFS – what happens when they see these people getting money and special treatment they could only dream of. Australians don’t like it now (hence Rimmers need to act) – what will be the reaction of PNG’s locals. This is an absolute “blood bath” waiting to happen. Rimmer won’t mind though – as long as it get’s him elected.

  149. Septimus

    I just ate an orange. Will have a cup of tea and a cupcake soon. 🙂

  150. WhaleHunt Fun

    “Islam is a religion, people practising Islam are Moslem or Muslims.”

    Put the dictionary away sabrina – it’s a medieval death cult. Its target is you and me.

    No it is a current death cult. If all they were doing was killing people 800 to 1300 years ago no one would care. An assertion by someone that they are a Moslem is a declaration of intent to murder you and your family, right here, right now. And my government does nothing to protect me from this clear and continuing danger.

  151. egg_

    Rudd’s PNG plan faces logistical problems:

    Regular water flow and interruptions to electricity supply have been an ongoing problem at the centre on Manus island.
    Getting anything done smoothly is a Herculean effort in Papua New Guinea.

    The smooth resettling of up to 3000 refugees from Manus is, in the words of one observer, “totally out of this world. I mean, what can you say.” There are numerous logistical problems to this grand plan.

    The proposed site for the Australian-run refugee centre sits just two degrees from the equator.

    Manus island has two weather settings: torrential downpour and baking, humid 35 degree heat.

    The mud and lush green forest that surround its sparse but generally well-serviced roads, a rarity in PNG, form the perfect breeding ground for Malaria bearing mosquitoes.

    While the governments of PNG and Australia have clamped down on media access to the current 215 asylum seekers housed in tents at Lombrum Naval base, reports of extreme stress have surfaced.

    Late last year 19 asylum seekers rioted in a recreational room, an incident which lead PNG police to charge them with assault.

    Earlier this year one man poured accelerant over himself and threatened to light himself on fire.

    Former staff at the centre have come out to decry conditions, foreshadowing last week’s UN human rights agency report which also criticised conditions at the centre.

    The former medical staff told the ABC some medical equipment was not available, and they struggled to help a security worker who suffered a heart attack.

    Regular water flow and interruptions to electricity supply have also been a problem, although the Australian government has said those issues have been fixed.

    Work is soon expected to begin on a permanent facility – but landowner groups demand employment opportunities and monetary compensation for use of land they traditionally lay claim to.

    When asked last year about the potential for landowners to cause trouble if they did not get their way, local MP Ronnie Knight laughed.

    “This is PNG mate. If they want to cause trouble, they’ll cause trouble,” he said, weeks before landowners threatened to shut down Momote airport.

    Australia has had form in the past hiring outside security contractors, such as G4S, who are unpopular on Manus because they employ “mainland staff.”

    Prime Minister Peter O’Neill has repeatedly said he expects asylum seekers at the site to be treated humanely, even though he ordered the removal of the police mobile squad from Manus following the death of a young man allegedly caused by members of the squad last week.

    Mr O’Neill has also said he expects the asylum seekers to be able to interact with Manus locals.

    Lawyers working for PNG’s opposition are soon expected to resurrect a constitutional challenge to the current Manus facility in the courts, weeks after an initial challenge was dismissed.

  152. Fisky

    An assertion by someone that they are a Moslem is a declaration of intent to murder you and your family, right here, right now. And my government does nothing to protect me from this clear and continuing danger.

    I am no fan of Islam at all, but this is complete bilge. It is just nonsense to say that Muslims, in affirming their faith, are really in favour of murdering you. Nuts.

  153. JimD

    you filthy thing.
    Seem to recall that’s the sort of utterance self righteous poofters used utter

  154. Infidel Tiger

    It’s a thing to behold watching how nuts the Cat threads have become.

    This place has become like Nauru or Manus Island.

  155. Fisky

    Is it the Bolt commenters tipping the balance, IT? There are some real blockheads coming on here. Now I can understand how they were unable to wipe the floor with worthless pseudo-intellectuals like “Talal” and “Sammer”.

  156. Pickles

    I just went up the mount and threw some snow. Valencia or Navel Septimus?

  157. CD

    If there is a third country why hasn’t it been used in over 5 years of asylum seeker rejects who are kept in detention as there is nowhere for them to go?

    Because it doesn’t and has never existed.

  158. Septimus

    Navel, Pickles – very nice – don’t eat Valencias. And have just enjoyed the strawberries and cream cupcake with a mug of tea – very tasty. Yum.

  159. JimD

    Rudd’s PNG plan faces logistical problems:
    Sure does. One Wiles per company existing on ration packs and sleeping in tents was luxury.
    Fuck me we got no Wiles no more, enough of this hardship, let’s burn down the semi permanent kitchen, slash the tents, whinge about getting wet and screem blue murder to the UN and that Berk whose on 24 again now. Fuck Ém.

  160. Leigh Lowe

    If there is a third country why hasn’t it been used in over 5 years of asylum seeker rejects who are kept in detention as there is nowhere for them to go?
    Because it doesn’t and has never existed.

    Exactly.
    That third country will be …… wait for it ….. Straya.

  161. Leigh Lowe

    It’s a thing to behold watching how nuts the Cat threads have become.
    This place has become like Nauru or Manus Island.

    Who has gone off the reservation today IT?
    Name names.

  162. egg_

    enough of this hardship, let’s burn down the semi permanent kitchen, slash the tents, whinge about getting wet and screem blue murder to the UN

    Emperor KRudd won’t want to fall foul of the UN…

  163. cohenite

    May the fillings in your foul mouth get unstuck by chewing on underdone pork(ie) crackling.

    Ok. Cryptic but interesting; I presume you are saying that the reason why islam proscribes the eating of pork is because of potential dental catastrophe?

    Do you have any other positive attributes of islam to share?

  164. JimD

    Do you have any other positive attributes of islam to share?
    Go eat a brahman.

  165. Rabz

    Cerdaindy no more.

    Bring back lardarse and a September 14 election, please.

  166. Ros

    That Rudd has conned the leadership of PNG does not reflect badly on them. Unlike half of Australia, the ALP and the media who have decided to be conned again. they have not experienced his madness before.

    That how this will work is once again as clear as mud, what is clear is that he is brutally and selfishly bulldozing an unstable, troubled, even precarious society, into entering into an agreement that will cause great concern and anger within that society, that maybe the tipping point for their complete descent into a failed state.

    East Timor refused for a number of reasons, apart from not being consulted and that such an agreement required parliamentary approval, eg “Mr Gusmao is opposed to the centre is that he would not be able to justify better living conditions for refugees than he is able to offer many of his own people.” From comments here from those with knowledge it seems that even the much condemned standards currently applying in Manus are better than what many in PNG experience.

    If we re-elect him, then as they say, shame on us. But that we would stand by and watch him destroy another society for the basest of reasons, we are a disgrace.

  167. Leigh Lowe

    So …. what is the fine print regarding women and/or children being sent to Manus?
    What is the fine print on separating family groups?
    Because I suspect we will see a string of Iranian Brady Bunch types arriving, complete with offspring in tow.
    Oh, and is Kokoda Kev aware that some people smugglers have been doubling as adoption agencies.
    Couples with no eligible children can adopt one (for a fee of $4,000) to provide a get-out-of-jail-free card.

  168. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “MPrick Gold Coast QLD
    Sometimes you entertaining. Today you sick. $11m about to head to St Vincents for you & ilk.”

    I’m a patient man, JimD, year long patient, calm temperament, rarely angry, that sort of stuff.

    Usually I ignore peasants as a waste of my time and I do not condescend to talk to urchins, or puerile illiterates as you are.

    You’re boxing way out of your division. You can pith off for mine. Now is good.

  169. JC

    Moderator:

    A possible Bolt head, JimD is blowing a gasket. Any chance of a disappearing trick?

  170. JC

    Is it the Bolt commenters tipping the balance, IT? There are some real blockheads coming on here.

    There a serious shockers. It reminds me of the zombie movie, World War Z.

  171. Robbo

    What is bloody wrong with these ignorant illegal immigrants. Why don’t they understand that Kevin Rudd is now in charge and that the rules have changed? Before they get on a boat I hope they take some time to slip down to the nearest news agency in Indonesia and buy a copy of one of the Saturday editions of the national dailies in Australia and read the full page ads that state “IF YOU COME HERE BY BOAT WITHOUT A VISA YOU WON’T BE SETTLED IN AUSTRALIA”. Kevin the First has decreed a new order and it will do you no good whatsoever to ignore his wishes. If you do ignore him then you may well drown (and it will all be your own fault) but if you make it across the sea then you will be sent to the paradise of PNG where you will spend the rest of your days in the peace and tranquility of that crime free and enlightened local community. Best of luck to you all.
    For all those cynics out there I can state that these huge expensive ads are not political. If they were then they would have to be paid for by the Labor Party, but of course they are not, so therefore the taxpayer will cough up for them. I hope that clears up that matter for you.

  172. cohenite

    Go eat a brahman.

    Done that; many times in my lifetime.

    Is that another positive attribute of islam, allowing people to eat meat?

    You a fountain of useful information!

  173. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “Contacted separately on Friday, Marty [Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa ] denied claims made by foreign media that the government’s decision to stop issuing Iranians VOAs was based on a request from Australia. “No, that is not true,” he told The Jakarta Post via text message.

    Presidential spokesman Teuku Faizasyah said he did not know if Australia was behind the policy, but acknowledged that the VOA facility was reviewed annually and that many Iranians had misused the facility.

    According to the BNN, authorities arrested 158 drug dealers last year, 5 percent of whom were foreign nationals, primarily Iranian, and distributed more drugs than locally based dealers, it said.”

    That makes sense. In my wife’s country the authorities react strongly (not indignantly pursed lips strong like us, but skull cracking, gunshot dispensing strong) against western-culture-imitating drug culture and the police react unilaterally and violently to knock down the traders, to the acclamation of their people.

    We got a taste of how provincial government works back in 2009 when an Indonesian provincial governor refused to dock the Ocean Viking, contrary to Jakarta’s directions, stating he wasn’t interested in accommodating the world’s rubbish to the disadvantage of his own people.

    I would guess that the Iranians have gathered in sufficient numbers in some villages to have become a real nuisance to the locals and the government is hosing the joints clean – they do that without worrying too much about appearing mean and nasty in the eyes of the world. The country goes to the polls next year.

  174. Annie A

    Hello All,

    I am wondering if the refugees that will be detained in PNG, once processed and deemed legitmate asylum seekers, will be actually resettled in PNG.

    According to the PNG MP, Mr Knight: “There is no mention of resettling anybody in Papua New Guinea,” Mr Knight told AAP.
    “Our policy will not be to settle asylum seekers here, but we will be facilitating them to go to other, third countries.”

    So why is Mr K Rudd saying they will be resettled in PNG? Is he telling a Porkie Pie? And where will the third country be?

    There are many unanswered questions about this policy.

    Oh, and I also wonder if this new policy was decided upon after thorough consultation within the Labor party caucus, as the new reformed Mr K Rudd has professed he would? ( rhetorical question?).

    Cheers,

    Annie A
    See Link.

  175. Oh Gab. Right click on the image in the internet, copy, paste into a word doc. Do all the speech bubbles and text boxes there. Then alt PRTSC (screenshot), paste into MSPaint. Then select and copy just that bit (to get rid of all the other stuff on your computer screen that you just pasted into Paint), select all, delete, then paste the bit you copied, then crop and save as a jpg. Then upload to FB. Voila.

  176. Siltstone

    Louis Hissink said:

    “As the late Michael Rockefeller apparently discovered decades ago; he disappeared into PNG and was never heard from since.(Perhaps it was Irian Jaya, not sure about the precise location)”.

    Rockefeller is believed to have disappeared in the Asmat region of Irian Jaya. Having been there once, I can vouch its tough country (see link below). Maybe he was on a scouting mission for the ALP. (By the way, the only boats the ALP ever stopped were fishing trawlers and ones carrying live cattle.)

  177. JimD

    Usually I ignore peasants as a waste of my time and I do not condescend to talk to urchins, or puerile illiterates as you are.

    You’re boxing way out of your division. You can pith off for mine. Now is good.
    Used to think numbers was the tunnel visioned up itself noncompus bullshit artist on cat but you Prick from the Gold Coast, Jesus Christ and the 5×2 beat Bob hands down on gurgitation of virile crap.

  178. Eyrie

    Siltstone, f’in brilliant. Should be the coalition slogan for the election.

  179. candy

    “Our policy will not be to settle asylum seekers here, but we will be facilitating them to go to other, third world countries.”

    I find it concerning if women and children are herded off too, and which countries, and to what environment. There seems no information about that.
    What happens to children and babies?

  180. JC

    What happens to children and babies?

    They head off with their mothers.

  181. JimD

    No your not. You’re a self opinionated know nothing that thinks it knows all and can’t bear the slightest hint that anything you gurgitate is not automatically accepted as gospel.

  182. JC

    There’s a little too much silliness with this stuff.

    If the policy is seen as being successful the boats will stop. None of them want to end up in PNG.

    If it’s a failure, it will be because there is still a route to get to Australia.

    However people respond the signals and the signals are that you will not be allowed in here if you arrive by boat.

  183. JC

    JimD..

    Go take a shower and fuck off outta here. No kidding, this place isn’t or you.

  184. Armadillo

    Just a question, but does the D after Jim stand for “Dickhead”, “Doofus” or “Dickwad”?

  185. cohenite

    Who is Jimmy talking to now? Is he still talking about numbers or the other esoterically described posters in one of his posts.

    Stick to the topic Jimmy, islam and its good points. Give us another one; your 2 already, dental hygiene and eating beef were well received.

  186. jupes

    Stick to the topic Jimmy, islam and its good points.

    Catherine Deveny would never be allowed to assault our eyeballs in the Caliphate.

  187. Oh come on

    What the hell are we paying PNG per head for resettling refugees there? The PNG PM looked like the cat that swallowed the cream at Rudd/O’Neill joint press conference announcing the plan.

  188. jupes

    What the hell are we paying PNG per head for resettling refugees there?

    We are already paying a lazy half bil for AusAID in PNG. When Kruddentrop was FM he doubled our global AusAID budget.

    The mind boggles at what the Kruddfuerer has offered PNG for this.

  189. Will

    Stick to the topic Jimmy, islam and its good points.

    Catherine Deveny would never be allowed to assault our eyeballs in the Caliphate.

    what has been seen

    cannot be unseen

  190. egg_

    SBS Dateline doco on Manus Is from a few weeks back (repeat this Tue)

    @11:10 Oz High Commissioner Debra Stokes visited Manus Is, just before the change of hands to KRudd.

  191. Septimus

    Catherine Deveny would never be allowed to assault our eyeballs in the Caliphate.

    What’s the old saying? All that meat and no potatoes.

  192. Tel

    What the hell are we paying PNG per head for resettling refugees there? The PNG PM looked like the cat that swallowed the cream at Rudd/O’Neill joint press conference announcing the plan.

    We told him there was aid money that could be diverted from Indonesia.

  193. cohenite

    Catherine Deveny would never be allowed to assault our eyeballs in the Caliphate.

    Is that Deveny in both shots, the second hailing a taxi or more appropriately, a semi-trailer? The first is tolerable, but even Benny Hill would blanche at the second.

  194. egg_

    SBS Dateline doco on Manus Is from a few weeks back (repeat this Tue)

    @11:10 Oz High Commissioner Debra Stokes visited Manus Is, just before the change of hands to KRudd.
    @26:00 Inmates are told they’re there for life and are self-harming, usually 2x weekly (attempted suicides).

  195. Tel

    I mean if it’s good enough for the Japanese to claim privilege of heritage for eating whales why can’t the New Guineans do the same about eating muslims/moslems?

    Do the United Nations have a department for regulating traditional cannibalism rights? If not, then you just might have stumbled onto one of the few angles the moochers have yet to cotton onto. I suggest a series of global talks are in order to get this sorted.

  196. egg_

    SBS Dateline doco on Manus Is from a few weeks back (repeat this Tue)

    @11:10 Oz High Commissioner Debra Stokes visited Manus Is, just before the change of hands to KRudd.
    @26:00 Inmates are told they’re there for life and are self-harming, usually 2x weekly (attempted suicides). Apparently some have been there since inception, 5 years, and unprocessed.

  197. Cold-Hands

    Tell the locals they taste like chicken.

    Ironically, they taste like pig.

  198. egg_

    SBS Dateline doco on Manus Is from a few weeks back (repeat this Tue)

    Has the whiff of a Govt “leak”: ‘we’re tuff on reffo’s’…

  199. Up The Workers!

    Does anybody know whether the Muslim “halal” rules apply when the Muslim is the one BEING cooked, rather than the one doing the cooking?

    I wonder if today’s New Guinean budding Gordon Ramsays, would need to alter the spices and seasonings in Great-Granddad’s recipe book given that the ingredients will now be based on ‘Muslims’ and not ‘Missionaries’?

    Finally Kev Kardashian has found an A.L.P. ‘policy’ that works.

    This week’s latest A.L.P. Immigration policy.

    ALL the tribal folk reckon it’s “finger-lickin’ good!”

  200. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From what I read if trouble breaks out, buildings get torched, big mobs form fairly smartly and the local coppers are overwhelmed to the extent that they’re flat out at the perimeter trying to prevent escalation. People get shot dead and often no-one is charged ‘cos witnesses witness nothing.

    The local tribes are parochial and proactive in defending their honour. The coppers are a wee bit more physical than the PC constables in downtown Australia. They put out a public call for able bodied locals to help quell the riots last night.

    What happens when a self important illegal Centrelinker shoves a local aside at the shops, or looks too long at someone’s missus? It’d be on for young and old – first class beltings with very heavy things, lots of slipper, guns ‘n knives, machetes and such.

    This really has the makings of antipathy for those on a better wicket than the locals (free baord and lodging, sit down money) ramping up readily to uncontrolled confrontation.

    Where do they send ’em then?

  201. Jim Rose

    what is the legal basis of this new policy? anyone know? does the existing Act support this policy?

    to become a PNG citizen, does not that require the refugee to co-operate with the PNG application process? what happens to refusniks

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