In which I recant

In a rather rushed moment, I wrote that the Coalition should bring back Malcolm Turnbull as Leader because that change maximises the probability of a Rudd loss.

I was wrong. The Coalition’s best bet is to stick with Tony Abbott as Leader.

Despite much media attention on a 31 August election (helped I suspect by Rudd games and selective leaks to encourage such speculation) it seems more likely that the election will be in October, perhaps even November.

Don’t be surprised, however, if Rudd is yet again playing games by hosing down speculation of a 31 August election just to catch people out if he visits the Governor General this Sunday. (Rudd thinks he is smart by playing games on election dates. In reality he is a two-year old wanting attention).

As I have written too many times, Rudd’s ego and hubris is such that he really does believe that more people will vote Labor if he can go on ‘governing’ for longer. That is a fatal (for Rudd) miscalculation.

I have too many friends and acquaintances who are Labor supporters and who seem to despise Kevin Rudd. They claim that they will vote Coalition if Turnbull is Leader. I think they are lying. No rusted on Labor supporter will vote Coalition no matter how bad is the Labor leader and how wonderful (from their perspective) is the Liberal leader.

Julian Burnside is exhibit A on that score. He says that he will support any asylum seeker policy from Labor, no matter how harsh and cruel, as long as it helps keep Labor in power. At least we know how Burnside and his ilk stand. They will vote Labor until hell freezes over.

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108 Responses to In which I recant

  1. kae

    I was wrong. The Coalition’s best bet is to stick with Tony Abbott as Leader.

    No shit, Sherlock?

  2. Mike of Marion

    That is the way of the left – promote Turnbull as the saviour and dump Abbott.

    The left would not vote for the lib Party EVER.

    Then when the Libs lost, they would laugh out loud to all and sundry Lib Voters – Sucked IN!!!!

  3. Keith

    They claim that they will vote Coalition if Turnbull is Leader. I think they are lying.

    And so do I. And I think a reasonable number of people responding to opinion polls are doing the same.

  4. johninoxley

    Thankyou Samuel. Living proof between left and right, the left never admit they are wrong.

  5. JC

    Just curiosity, SJ. Why did you change our mind…. And not as though there’s anything wrong with that. It’s a gift to be able to change your mind n a dime.

  6. rafiki

    Samuel (and others), you are missing the point. Of course the “rusted on” Labor voters will not vote for Turnbull, but on recent history that seems to be about 30%, maybe high 3os, of the electorate. You need to deal with the prospect that the swinging (or wavering, or whatever) middle of about 20% would be more likely to vote for Turnbull. Crucially, this group now includes many in the younger demographic. And it a good guess that a significant proportion of them like Turnbull and do not like Abbott.

    Nor is is a question of just winning a majority in the Reps. The LNP needs a Senate majority to bring back adult government. So, the Turnbull option should still be in play. (My thinking his will have no influence on the course of events. We are all just shooting the breeze, but that’s OK.)

  7. candy

    Samuel J is right that Labor supporters will not vote for M. Turnbull. Why would they? They only want their own side to win. They don’t want a conservative government.

  8. Lysander Spooner

    Rafiki
    Abbott will win govt and be around for a while methinks. John Howard was a little wimp when he started but when he became PM he was transformed.

    Same with TA.

  9. Tintarella Di Luna

    Samuel J

    Now that the paroxysm of panic has passed all is forgiven. Sense has prevailed and all will be right with the world, just you wait and see if it won’t

  10. Nanuestalker

    Anything Labor & their supporters think is a good idea is wrong. Please remember that in future Samuel … [ say 3 Our Fathers & 3 Hail Marys and all is forgiven].

  11. Samuel J

    JC – three things really. First, I think that Rudd will hold the election later rather than earlier. That plays into Abbott’s hands. Second, I overestimated support for Turnbull vis-a-vis Abbott because of distortions from rusted on Labor supporters. Third, I think a late change to Turnbull would strike of desperation and hurt the overall Coalition vote.

    I want most of all – of course – for Rudd to lose.

  12. egg_

    Turncoat has been the ALP’s best weapon against the LNP, just as KRudd has been the LNP’s best weapon against the ALP.
    Of course, KRudd’s untrustworthy on a late election date, but his party keep talking of going early – who decides?

  13. Lysander Spooner

    I want most of all – of course – for Rudd to lose.

    and this is what will unite a majority of Australians. 🙂

  14. pete m

    Abbott will win handsomely, whenever the election is.

    He does need to project more “Can Do” type personality – talk about what his government will do, in more than 3 word slogans.

    Once in govt some adults will be in charge and things will get moving.

  15. Token

    SJ, what is your thinking on the theory many of us hold that by changing from Abbott the Coalition through a critical asset, stability?

    This stabilty is an important counter tactic to the volatility brought by Rudd. One way Labor has placed itself into a weak position is through the leader instability and policy turbulence, as this leads to the public feeling insecure due to the uncertainty. In fact this is the absolute opposite to what got them into power in 2007 – the promises of stability but with more compasion through Rudd’s Howard-lite shell.

    I also didn’t understand the change to Turnbull as you are changing one leader with many strengths and noticeable weaknesses to another leader with many alternate strengths and alternate weaknesses. It is not a net gain like the move from Nelson to Turnbull, or Downer to Howard was.

  16. Indigo

    You are right…Malcolm is the ABC’s choice for a opposition leader, and it’s not because they want Labor to lose!
    Be interesting to see if Krudd will try to lift the announced LNP policy on boats after sneering at it before the details had time sink in. I imagine he is thinking at the moment why he didn’t think of it rather than his massive bribe of PNG politicians.

  17. Samuel J

    Token – yes stability is crucial here and a key Coalition asset. Jumping to MT would weaken that asset.

  18. I was wrong

    An intellectual and emotional maturity rarely seen. Well done

  19. Anthony

    Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio, our nation turns its lowly eyes to you? Is that how it goes?
    There’s an election in the air. The Foolwatch commisar, Joe Dimasi, is stepping(?) down. Rudd is busy trying to bury his myriad past errors like a surgeon in Queensland.

  20. Louis Hissink

    SJ,

    Excellent, the glass has fallen off your eyes.

  21. Andrew

    SamuelJ, seems to have done a Julia in a sense

    “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”

    then

    WE have a Carbon Tax.

  22. Armadillo

    My thoughts drift back to Abbott in the last few days of the 2010 campaign. The more people saw of “the real Tony” the more they warmed to him. I think he can do the same again once the election is called. They need to get him out more into his “natural environment” – amongst the people with his daughters and wife in tow. Leave the “head kicking” and interviews to their good “set piece” performers such as Morrison. Unleash the real Abbott I say. He is more in tune with “ordinary Australians” than Turnbull will ever be.

    I suspect the major “set piece” events they will use Tony for will be “town hall type meetings”. He’s good at that type of campaigning.

  23. mareeS

    Interesting that none of the pollsters has asked Liberal Party members about preferred Lib leader. Support within the membership is rock solid for Abbott. Any switch to Turnbull would split the party, and I do mean split it wide open, as far as membership and the wider conservative vote is concerned. That’s why mischievous interests keep putting Turnbull forward as a viable alternative. The avalanche of protest against Turnbull’s support for Rudd’s ETS in 2009 cost him the leadership, and he won’t be getting it back any time soon.

  24. Jock

    Whilst I like Turnbull, he is beset with warmist notions on climate that are in opposition to my beliefs. I am happy for Australia to go along with an ETS when the entire world signs up.

    I really prefer Abbott. My only concern is his oratory, which can be quite stilted. On the other hand it provides him with an authenticity that is lacking with populist charismatics like Rudd, Obama or even Turnbull.

  25. jupes

    The LNP needs a Senate majority to bring back adult government. So, the Turnbull option should still be in play.

    At least you haven’t put ‘adult government’ and ‘Turnball’ in the same sentence Rafiki.

    Turnball is the idiot who stopped us from choosing our light bulbs of choice in order to ‘save the planet’. Pause for a second and consider the degree of delusion required to come up with that little nugget of a policy. He is a rolled gold numptie.

  26. jupes

    SamuelJ, seems to have done a Julia in a sense

    Not in any sense at all. Gillard lied. Samuel admitted fault.

    Complete opposites.

  27. Gab

    I’ll not have you disparage a good and decent man like that, Andrew, a man who has the good character to stand up and admit he made a bad judgment call.

    Now, drop and give me 20 push-ups.

    (No, I don’t know why I’ve gone all boot camp sergeant).

  28. Token

    SamuelJ, seems to have done a Julia in a sense

    No, on a blog where we meet to discuss he tendered an idea for discussion.

    As this is the Cat, and not some PC drum circle for beta males he was told in earthy tones to have a “pull his head in and good hard look at himself”.

    Which he did. ’nuff said.

  29. Eddystone

    SJ was merely floating a thought bubble in response to a big poll boost by Liebor.

    I never thought he was advocating MT as Oppo leader.

  30. Rabz

    I was wrong. The Coalition’s best bet is to stick with Tony Abbott as Leader.

    Great retractions of our time.

    I salute you, Squire.

  31. cohenite

    They claim that they will vote Coalition if Turnbull is Leader. I think they are lying.

    Yes.

  32. Steve of Glasshouse

    Monty will be bereft..

  33. James of the Glens

    The prodigal son returns.

  34. I posted about this a few days ago, Samuel. You appear to have missed it:

    It’s a brave man who can nebulously allude to the vague possibility that he might possibly have slightly and imperceptibly without admitting any error and not acknowledging any cowardice or negligence whatsoever nor confessing to any wavering doubts have, uhm… jumped possibly intemperately and perhaps precipitately too soon to a nervous conclusion.

    Not that you were wrong, ha ha, but…

    Well done, Samuel.

  35. Oh Samuel, it takes a big man to admit he’s wrong. But I always believed you’d come round in the end.

    If Abbott loses, you can also reserve full ‘nyah nyah nyah’ rights, and I won’t be cross with you at all.

  36. PS Stay off the shoe polish in future, that’s all.

  37. Empire Strikes Back

    Kudos to you for the retraction SJ. If only the piggies with their snouts in the trough would follow your fine example.

  38. m0nty

    So if the aggregated polls swing half a point back in Rudd’s direction, Samuel, will you recant your recantation?

  39. So if the aggregated polls swing half a point back in Rudd’s direction, Samuel, will you recant your recantation?

    Hypocrite.

  40. And Another Thing

    Appreciate your mea culpa, Samuel, but you were an A-grade panicker.

  41. Tintarella Di Luna

    I really prefer Abbott. My only concern is his oratory, which can be quite stilted. On the other hand it provides him with an authenticity that is lacking with populist charismatics like Rudd, Obama or even Turnbull.

    Abbott is like all most average people who do not like standing up at a lectern and making a speech it isn’t a really natural environment .Abbott is much more relaxed in the townhall settings he proved that in the last campaign – he is a normal person Rudd is not, Rudd is a fraud.

  42. vlad

    Congratulations, Samuel.

  43. rafiki

    Re the “Libs will split” point. The switch will not be possible unless Abbott precipitates it and campaigns for Turnbull. (I said this recently, but of course I don’t expect anyone to remember this, even if they did take any notice.)

    None of you have dealt with the point about the Senate, or the 20s cohort take on Abbott. In the late 60s, I shared a house with a genuine Sydney push member, and he loved an argument. What is with the Cat libertarians?

    And Philippa, pet, wash your mouth out for having contemplated a Rudd victory.

  44. val majkus

    thanks be that Samuel came to his senses
    the people who profess a dislike for Abbott in my experience know nothing about the man – their thoughts are influenced by Laborites and their followers
    Turnbull has baggage, specifically ETS baggage and that would matter in this election
    It’s Abbott for me

  45. Giffy

    “… I think they are lying …”
    They’d be lying.
    And all the Laborites and the dimwitted mob who swore they wouldn’t vote for Gillard? no doubt about it, they would’ve voted for her, as they’ll vote for the hollow man.

    Abbott can do this – he can win.
    And you don’t have to like him to believe this.

  46. Fisky

    This post is a disgrace. I predict it will attract no more than 50 comments, as is deserved.

    Petro Georgiou for Liberal leader!

  47. Fisky

    SJ was merely floating a thought bubble in response to a big poll boost by Liebor.

    No, that was me. SJ was an overt Turnbullian until about 5 minutes ago.

  48. Leo G

    “I wrote that the Coalition should bring back Malcolm Turnbull as Leader because that change maximises the probability of a Rudd loss… I was wrong. The Coalition’s best bet is to stick with Tony Abbott as Leader.”

    The choice of Party leader greater affects a voter’s expected combined benefit and utility from an election win by that Party.
    Catallactics who prefer Turnbull over Abbott are behaving rationally in urging Abbott’s replacement, but only if they believe the change would not hurt the Party’s expectation of winning. On the other hand, Abbott Catallactics would likely believe that such a change would reduce their benefit (if the Coalition wins). Some (but not the most rational) might change their Party preference.
    I agree with Samuel J that most Labor supporters who claim to despise Kevin Rudd and vote Coalition if Turnbull is Leader, are probably lying to influence Labor to change its leadership.
    So how would the leadership change really affect decisions by provisional non-Coalition supporters to change their voting intention to the Coalition?
    The best evidence is from the effect of the change in Coalition leadership (before the 2010 election) on voting intentions and outcomes.
    Rational Turnbull supporters should provisionally support Abbott while giving succour to Turnbull’s ambition. Give Abbott his well-earned opportunity to become PM while reminding him that he is only assured of remaining PM for a full term if he can satisfy his parliamentary colleagues that he- as opposed to any prospective challenger- will assure them of the better outcome at the next election.
    Then Turnbull Catallactics can be rational and also crow about their apparent altruism.

  49. Token

    I really prefer Abbott. My only concern is his oratory, which can be quite stilted. On the other hand it provides him with an authenticity…

    He is better than any other Australian politician at communicating during Town Hall style meetings where he doesn’t seem to stutter.

  50. Septimus

    Well done, Samuel. Now … whither Fisky?

  51. one old bruce

    It’s all about getting the votes of the (mostly ALP or Greens voting ‘compassionate’) grannies, who watch Question Time on TV but only the faces and have no idea of what’s being discussed, who have told me ‘Christopher Pyne is so rude, and Tony Abbott – the way they treat a woman (Gillard)’. And who also say ‘I like Malcolm Turnbull’. The ones who voted for Rudd on his first run, but are wavering because of what he did to Julia. The same people who in previous generations were welded on Menzies voters.

    I happen to know a lot of grannies through my work. I think they represent a large demographic.

  52. feelthebern

    I’m ashamed to admit that I gave the Turnbull option some thought too.

    Back to the election date.
    I think Rudd has to go 31st August.
    He needs to go before he has another melt down like he did with Lisa Wilkinson today.

  53. Fisky

    Now … whither Fisky?

    Whither, what? I have never supported a Turnbullian restoration.

  54. Septimus

    Whither, what? I have never supported a Turnbullian restoration.

    Heh … sure 😉

    In my recent post on a hypothetical Turnbull revival, which I concede was part-trial-balloon/part-trolling

  55. m0nty

    Petro Georgiou for Liberal leader!

    Peter Costello to run from outside caucus, Newman-style!

  56. Fisky

    In my recent post on a hypothetical Turnbull revival, which I concede was part-trial-balloon/part-trolling

    That’s right. I have not supported a return of Malcolm Turnbull – which is clear to anyone who read the post.

  57. Fisky

    I’m ashamed to admit that I gave the Turnbull option some thought too.

    Why would you feel ashamed? A professional party MUST have a back-up plan in case their current leader proves to be inadequate. I have never concluded this about Abbott, but it is within the realm of possibility.

  58. one old bruce

    So if Rudd wins, I’ll be saying ‘You ignored the grannies’.

    I’m all set for an I-told-yah.

  59. jupes

    Rational Turnbull supporters …

    No such thing.

  60. lem

    So, Abbott it is, and rightly so, I give not one care in the world for rhetoric, let’s have some action that counts and see less of the media tarts on our screens. And Operation Sovereign Border? Love it! The ADF can stfu and get on with what the elected government tell it to do. Which is control. Our. Sovereign. Borders. If its good enough to go and clean up after bushfires and cyclones it’s good enough to defend our nation against an armada of pumped up Iranian Armani head gear wearers. Who turn into male rapists and arsonists if they don’t get what they want now (including Halal 5 options).

    That rant felt so good.

  61. feelthebern

    What are people afraid of when it comes to Tony?

    He says what he thinks & he means what he says.

    Krudd will tell you any old horse shit to get through the media cycle.

  62. egg_

    an overt Turnbullian

    Small club, meets clandestine in a phonebooth… 😉

  63. lem

    feelthebern you are so right. There is nothing wrong with Abbott, he is a normal guy but the media and the populace don’t recognise normal anymore with the abominations that have been trotted out over the last 6 years. I say 2013 is the year where normal blokes who can get shit done reclaim their rightful place. Maybe gen next or whoever they are males might actually start to feel some pride instead of being totally emasculated by the misandrists led by Gillard and her testicle necklace wearers.

    And I say this as a woman.

  64. Amused

    Can someone please remind me how dismal the 2PP polling was while Malcolm Terminal, errr, I mean Malcolm Turnbull was the leader of the Coaltion?

    And as for Burnside and his ilk, they’d still support the ALP even if they were being forced by the party to unload asylum seekers from boats straight into ‘delousing’ facilities.

  65. Splatacrobat

    Catallaxy 3:28-32
    28 “The older brother Fisky became angry and refused to go in. So his father Sinc went out and pleaded with him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and an Abbott return never disobeying your orders. Yet you never even gave me even a ticket to go see Essendon play and with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours Samuel who had courted the idea of replacing Abbott with Turnbull comes waltzing back into the Cat, you kill the fattened calf for him!’

    31 “‘My son,’ Sinclair said, ‘you are always on this blog, and everything I have is yours (with the exception of my Doctor Who miniature figurine collection). 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours who was deluded like some crack smoking tree hugger is now TeamAbbott# again; he was lost to a hollow leftist pipedream and is now found.’”

    Thus endth todays scripture reading.

  66. Gab

    lol that’s just excellent, Splat.

  67. one old bruce

    I was just about to ask him to feed my pigs. Darn.

    “14 After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs.”

  68. LOL LOL oh poor SamuelJ. Don’t listen to them, pet.

  69. TA has a mortgage – who in the Labor Party upper echelons has one?

  70. Giffy

    I love those scripture readings up there.

  71. Leo G

    “… the media and the populace don’t recognise normal anymore with the abominations that have been trotted out over the last 6 years.”

    The moral IQ of the MSM has been stuck firm at imbecile- wedged between Rudd and Gillard.

  72. That’s right. I have not supported a return of Malcolm Turnbull – which is clear to anyone who read the post.

    As I recall it, you came in later with a sheepish ha ha I was sort of trolling ha ha qualifier. I also recall the qualifier came after you tested the wind and saw it was blowing in the direction of south by don’t be a fucking flip flopping no staying power coward softcock south west.

    If I am misremembering events, no matter as my version of events appeals to me more.

  73. Fisky

    If I am misremembering events

    Yes you are. Your memory is shocking and requires immediate therapy. There was nothing, nothing at all, in my post calling for the resurrection of Malcolm Turnbull. You may search for it if you wish, but you will do so in vain.

  74. Details, mere details. As I recall, you posted something about Abbott needing to be gone. That can have only one meaning, or you’re not being serious, Fisky.

  75. Guest Post: Fisky – The Romney Rout Redux
    Posted on July 22, 2013 by Sinclair Davidson
    The Liberals are repeating the errors of the Romney campaign by failing to control the narrative and ignoring the power of retail-level persuasion. This has to change. In my recent post on a hypothetical Turnbull revival, which I concede was … Continue reading ?

    Exposed! Fisky in shock mealy mouth justification scandal (cont., p 3)

  76. Liar, liar, pants on fire:

    So in spite of all the well-founded reservations regarding Turnbull, one could make the case that he is a better match up for Rudd this time, and that the Liberal Party should take a rain check on Abbott if he fails to lay a glove on the government in the next few weeks. If nothing else, one of the most enjoyable fringe benefits of a Turnbull restoration would be watching the Q&Aistas, press gallery journalists, and ex-bearded economists try to walk back their public promises to vote Liberal, so long as Turnbull is leader.

    The Internet, as they say, is like herpes.

    I was also right that you had to run in after a bit and hit the thread with a jolly haha just joking lads.

    😉

  77. Fisky

    Nope. All you’ve found is a pure hypothetical under conditions that may or may not arise. There is nothing in there calling for Abbott to be replaced. Only cranks and extremists suggest otherwise.

  78. dover_beach

    Let’s be honest, sometime in the last week Sam J recalled my fondness for gibbets and thought it best to re-address his error of judgement. I commend him for this; error has no rights.

  79. Oh come on

    Are all the smug, sneering “I told you so” responses to Samuel J’s change of heart really necessary?

  80. Fisky

    To be fair, Samuel did have to explain himself after outing himself as the lone Turnbull supporter at Catallaxy.

  81. Oh come on

    Well, there’s still m0nty.

  82. Fisky

    m0nty is a Costello supporter, apparently. It’s quite weird because he opposed every single Costello tax cut over the last decade.

  83. Hehehe. How does this rest with the otherwise brilliant Fisk doctrine?

    Perhaps you were in your cups!

  84. Oh come on

    Really? It’s difficult to keep up with m0nty’s about-faces. I’m sure most will recall his conversion from fervent Gillard supporter – overflowing with contempt for Rudd who didn’t have the balls to challenge – to full-throated Rudd cheerleader within the space of two or three hours.

  85. Are all the smug, sneering “I told you so” responses to Samuel J’s change of heart really necessary?

    Indeed, considering a few weeks ago there was a major funk on this site with lots of folks moaning about Abbott. Many who are strutting today were at the front of the whiny ennui.

    I believe I was first to say, “grow some sack”. But it didn’t stop the Fisk and Samuel black dog days posts, alas. We do what we can. Thank me later.

  86. I’ll allow that Dover was steadfast. Good man.

  87. Fisky

    I’m reliably informed Abu is a spook, paid for by the shadow government, so his capacity for falsification and fabrication was never under question.

  88. Oh come on

    Indeed

    No. It’s never necessary to act like a prick towards an honourable person who has changed their mind and come around to your point of view.

    considering a few weeks ago there was a major funk on this site with lots of folks moaning about Abbott.

    A major funk? Hardly. For every person on this site moaning about Abbott, there were ten or more people moaning about people moaning about Abbott.

  89. To be fair, Samuel did have to explain himself after outing himself as the lone Turnbull supporter at Catallaxy.

    He’s not alone, with you giving him support.

    Mind you, as I explained, Samuel was fooled by Turnbull’s Head of Mission (HOM) manner. Turnbull emanates a silver spoon born to rule arrogance like a cheap aftershave, or a barrel of rhinoceros pheromones, or the stench of a Chiko roll in a Honda Civic on a hot day. This mesmerized Samuel, because its the same funk that HOM’s exude and, as a former DFAT policy wonk, Samuel was stunned into Pavlovian obeisance.

    What’s your excuse, Fisky my main man?

  90. No. It’s never necessary to act like a prick towards an honourable person who has changed their mind and come around to your point of view.

    Lighten up. Samuel took it all with good grace and in the spirit.

  91. Fisky

    I really should not comment any further on this issue because it is of no relevance to me at all, having not ever advocated a Turnbull restoration myself.

  92. I’m reliably informed Abu is a spook, paid for by the shadow government, so his capacity for falsification and fabrication was never under question.

    Haha. Best delete your guest posts, as its all there in black and white. You can’t rewrite history unless you can implement the Fisk doctrine, toot sweet.

    Now, where’s my Aston-Martin? Gotta zip!

  93. Oh come on

    its the same funk that HOM’s exude

    And I’d bet good money it also makes you snap to attention quick smart when you don’t have a screen monicker to hide behind.

  94. I really should not comment any further on this issue because it is of no relevance to me at all, having not ever advocated a Turnbull restoration myself.

    Except as a hypothetical which was intended to air it as a possibility.

    “In my recent post on a hypothetical Turnbull revival, which I concede was…”

    Your motives, I will concede, are unknowable.

  95. Oh come on

    It’s all about class, Abu. Some people have it, and some don’t. Many have demonstrated a deficiency on this thread.

  96. And I’d bet good money it also makes you snap to attention quick smart when you don’t have a screen monicker to hide behind.

    It certainly did, back when I worked in DFAT.

  97. Nanuestalker

    Very good Splat … that wins the Cat for the year in my book. ROFL.

    [BTW … methinks Abu isn’t smoking just cigars tonight!?!]

  98. It’s all about class, Abu. Some people have it, and some don’t. Many have demonstrated a deficiency on this thread.

    Yes, I suppose you’re right. At least you and I have maintained our standards of gallantry. And good humour.

  99. Nanu… cotes du Roussillon, les Sorcieres du clos des fees, 2011.

    Miam, miam, miam.

  100. Nanuestalker

    No surprise you’re having fun … night all ..HK tomorrow for a week of debauchery!

  101. Popular Front

    he (Abbott) is a normal person Rudd is not, Rudd is a fraud.

    There it is, in a nutshell.

  102. Lucie

    Yes, it is a good thing – a normal thing – to be more relaxed in a town hall setting, comfortably among the people. Rather than up on a stage at a lectern far removed. Tony Abbott’s normalness, as a politician, is one of his huge advantages over Kevin the Kaotic Kameleon – who, in contrast, seems bizarrely to thrive on the unnatural speechifying from a lectern, the carefully stage managed, hyperbowlic contact with real people – a church doorstop here, an overnight in a sleeping bag there, awkward, OTT arms round ‘folk’ everywhere, with bizarro attempts at bogan cool with the ‘young folk’ and bogan mumsy references to ‘bubs’. Truly, a textbook could be written about him as a political caricature.

    And it is a relief to be able to like Samuel J’s work again.

  103. Tel

    He says what he thinks & he means what he says.

    That’s what I like about Abbott too, and the gottcha politics where a 10 second sound byte gets tut tutted about tends only to give people who don’t like him anyway a reason to justify not liking him.

  104. is a fraud.
    Speaking of frauds….
    Morning Chunks and ZK2A, yes indeed 2Alpha’s description is very accurate. In RAR (Royal Australian Regiment) battalions you have a unit called D&E (Defence & Establishment) platoon. That is where the Companies send their deadbeats, drongos and dickheads to paint rocks, scrub pissaphones and make brews for the other pogos. ‘Fuckwit Bob’ (yes I read that turgid piece he wrote about Vieties) may have been ECN343 but to me he’s a pissant crybaby and a dead cert for D&E platoon.
    Where’s your apology?

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