Active drinking passive smoking

On smoking.

Mr Rudd prepared the ground for the tobacco price increase during a visit to a cancer centre being built at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in Sydney, pointing out his own mother died of lung cancer, a victim of passive ­smoking.

On alcohol.

The report said Albert Rudd had been drinking before driving, that he kept falling asleep at the wheel, and that when the car hit a power pole, he was not wearing a seatbelt and suffered massive internal injuries.

(HT: CL)

Update: Deadman raises the issue in comments and CL sends through a document:

Anne was also delighted to meet personally with Prime Minister Kevin Rudd. Anne shared some of her personal story of living with Parkinson’s and her volunteer work for the organisation and Parkinson’s community. Prime Minister Rudd’s mother was diagnosed with Parkinson’s, and she passed away in 2004.

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106 Responses to Active drinking passive smoking

  1. Snoopy

    Tell him to bring me back some cigars.

  2. Infidel Tiger

    a victim of passive ­smoking.

    Unless it was a house fire, there’s no such thing.

  3. Bazza

    This is the same arsehole who put out a story that the farm owner threw his mother and kids off the farm when the old boy was killed in the crash. It turned out the farm owner was a well known and generous person who had allowed the Rudd family to stay in their house on the property for several months without contributing. This grub is the lowest of the low.

  4. Paul

    Guess what. People still die as a result of massive internal injuries and resultant infections…even in hospitals if the injuries are severe enough, no matter how many accusations you throw at the surgeons for not being able to perform that miracle you the consumer just know you are entitled to.

  5. face ache

    Can’t this mob think anything through.What they need to do is lower the excise so that smokes are cheaper and more people will smoke (apparently) thereby having more old folks die prematurely with a huge saving on pensions and geriatric aged care. This is not whimsical, it is true.

  6. Anto

    a victim of passive ­smoking.

    Yeah? Not much of a victim, then. Look here and scroll down to see Mr Rudd photographed with his mother, Margaret, on her 80th birthday. She died three years later, in 2004.

  7. Miramar

    The robber politicians are at it again. Extortionate taxes on tobacco have been the norm for decades. The increases in already extortionate taxes under this Labor government have been savage. Further, growing tobacco plants for personal use is illegal in Australia. If you want to use tobacco, you have to allow yourself to be fleeced by government. It’s a variant of the extortion of King James I hundreds of years ago.

    Recently, the robber politicians legislated two automatic price rises in tobacco aligned to the CPI. This would save them the embarrassment of coming before the public each time in their extortionate ventures. But even this wasn’t enough for the thieves. From next year the rises will be linked to increases in average male earnings, which have been greater than the inflation rate.

    Worse still is that smokers have to endure the standard “health spin” as they are being robbed. But this latest mega-robbery dreamed up by the Labor miscreants is extraordinarily perverse. With Rudd, the spin is further spun. That mystical, statistical tobacco “death toll” which is a nice round TOTAL of 15,000 per year suddenly becomes 15,000 for just “smoking-related” cancer. In a recent government report, the “additional health care cost” for “smoking-related” disease was estimated at around 300 million dollars (even this figure is arguable). To justify the billions extorted from smokers, the government concocted numerous “other” costs from smoking totaling $32b. But in Rudd’s hands, the concocted $32b becomes the figure just for “additional health care costs” (see later post). The magnitude of the lying spins the head.

    Government benefits from the robbery. Antismoking groups then want their “cut” so that they can remain in comfortable employment and further “educate” the public with inflammatory propaganda. And pharmaceutical companies, that also finance antismoking, benefit in that they align the cost of their next-to-useless “nicotine replacement” products to the cost of tobacco; extortionate taxes also bring a clientele for their useless products. All those that create the statistical spin benefit financially while smokers are fleeced. Part of the fleecing goes to pay for antismoking campaigns, i.e., smokers are forced to pay for their own “denormalization/dehumanization”. It’s just – only – a regular money grab. Failed policies? Financial black holes? No problem. Let’s just go rob the smokers some more. This conduct could well be described as a racket that doesn’t let up.

    At some point something’s got to give.

  8. Miramar

    There was a presentation in the 1980s (see Godber Blueprint http://www.rampant-antismoking.com ) at one of the World Conferences on Smoking & Health concerning the “cost of smoking” to the health system. There were no studies to that point. The presenter, who was partial to antismoking, concluded that smokers were not an additional cost. He also pointed out that these sorts of studies are highly arguable in that they rely on so many questionable assumptions. Obviously, the fanatics didn’t receive this presentation too well and simply disregarded it. For decades, they have been proclaiming that smoking/smokers are a burden to the health system, even though a number of studies over that time indicated that it is not true.

    Through this fraudulent claim, the fanatics convinced governments to hike tobacco taxes to “cover” the extra medical services. Governments are only too happy to oblige; it means more money in the coffers. And the fanatics always insist that they should be given a cut of the extra taxes to continue “educating” the public, keeping them in comfortable employment. In the last decade, tobacco taxes have been hiked many times into the realm of compounded extortion. So inflated are the taxes that it’s impossible to hide the charade any longer.

    Consider a recent “cost analysis” appearing in an Australian government publication. Net health costs of tobacco-use was estimated at $318,400,000 (p.51). The net revenue from tobacco sales was $6,700,000,000 (p.22). The revenue from tobacco is 21 TIMES the “extra” cost of treating smokers. This difference is obscene. Even the extent of this “extra medical cost” is arguable.
    http://www.nationaldrugstrategy.gov.au/internet/drugstrategy/publishing.nsf/Content/34F55AF632F67B70CA2573F60005D42B/$File/mono64.pdf

    Governments and the fanatics that advised them aren’t going to come out and admit that they’ve severely overcharged smokers to the point of robbery and that the tax on tobacco should be considerably reduced. Given that the fantasy that smokers cost the health system can no longer be maintained, the fanatics do what they do regularly – they change the “argument” (storyline), i.e., shift the goalposts. NOW they argue, smokers [way] more than cover their additional health costs, but there are “other costs”. And the above report concocts around $32,000,000,000 of “other costs”, which are not actual government expenditures. There isn’t time to consider how all these “other costs” are entirely arguable. However, the absurdity of the claims attracted some rare criticism. Further, these “costs to the State” smack of a socialist framework where individuals are the property of the State, with the expectation of a particular, average “working life” able to be extracted from each individual.
    http://www.theage.com.au/national/economists-challenge-healthist-view-of-smoking-alcohol-risks-20111221-1p5nl.html

    Shifting the “storyline” or goalposts keeps the ideological fanatics happy (and they usually call for additional funding to help “educate” the public), Big Pharma is happy because it can keep peddling and profiting from its essentially useless NRT wares. And the government is happy because it can claim that it needs to extort even more taxes from smokers. There is now a lucrative antismoker industry that did not exist 30 years ago. From part of the extortionate taxes, it is smokers that are financing a considerable portion of it: They are being forced to pay for their own persecution. It is a very sick, fraud-based, self-serving system. It can well be referred to as racketeering.

  9. H B Bear

    If you are going to live in a car don’t crash it into a power pole.

  10. My dear old mam – who blogs here under the pseudonym Infidel Tiger – has never smoked herself, but has spent most of her life surrounded by a thick fug of other people’s tobacco smoke.

    She is now 86 years old, with lungs as clean as those of a new born babe; she has practically zero cholesterol and a heart like a young bullock. The quack said to her not long ago, ‘Whatever you’re doing, keep doing it.’

    One day she will die of something, but I don’t think we can sue anyone about that.

    Meanwhile, get diesel off the road.
    And cars.
    And mobile phones.
    And wood fires.

  11. Miramar

    I’ve just been watching Labor politicians on TV spouting the same lies. Smoking-related cancer kills 15,000 per year; smoking-related HEALTH care costs $32 billion per year. And no-one in the media picks them up on this trash.

    Then there was Simon Crapman croaking in an interview that these tax measures are just “wonderful”.

  12. H B Bear

    Between Conroy’s nuclear milk and Gra’ma KRudd’s smoking I wish they would all just piss off and leave the rest of us to get on with it.

  13. Infidel Tiger

    With the price of smokes these days I’m glad I’ve switched to cocaine for my relaxation.

  14. H B Bear

    Where is that other great tax addict Prof Mike Daube to applaud this development before shifting the goal posts again to curtail other peoples’ behaviour?

  15. Infidel Tiger

    Where is that other great tax addict Prof Mike Daube to applaud this development before shifting the goal posts again to curtail other peoples’ behaviour?

    Probably having a post-orgasm ciggie after beating himself off furiously. Then he’ll be making some calls:

    “Hey Kev, imagine how much you could raise if you doubled the alcohol excise”

  16. Lucie

    What! IT’s your mum, Philippa?? Between this and ICAC, how many more shocking revelations can we take??

  17. Rabz

    I wish they would all just piss off and leave the rest of us to get on with it.

    Yep – what part of “I don’t give a shit, FFS.” are they too stupid to comprehend?

  18. What! IT’s your mum, Philippa?? Between this and ICAC, how many more shocking revelations can we take??

    Yes, it’s all true. And I love her. Plus she makes nice shortbread. You wouldn’t think that from reading IT’s posts, but she does.

  19. Infidel Tiger

    May I remind everyone that Australia really is a fascist wowser ruled toilet.

    If I had any get up and go, I would.

  20. Infidel Tiger

    Clean your room Philippa and stop engaging in smutty talk on the internet.

  21. According to the Labor-loving journalist (and member of the board of the Whitlam Institute), Alan Ramsey, in his book, The Way They Were: The View from the Hill of the 25 Years That Remade Australia (p. 42), Kevin Rudd’s mother “died of Parkinson’s disease in 2004”.

  22. Rob MW

    I saw that press conference and thought that was a big call by Rudd to explicitly say that his father had ‘never smoked’ but then to explain that his father died because of ‘passive smoking’.

    Anecdotally, they say that hard work never killed anyone………………..but bugger it, why take the chance !!!!!!!!

  23. .

    Mirimar you are a fucking legend mate.

    Well done on youir expose. Put it to the Oz as an Op Ed.

  24. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Damn. IT really is Phillipa’s mum!!

  25. Gab

    Kevin Rudd’s mother “died of Parkinson’s disease in 2004”.

    No, that’ll never do. That doesn’t help Kevin.

  26. SteveC

    Sinclair, how are those two stories related? have you joined the Alan Jones school of journalism?

  27. cynical1

    A heart attack and 2 stents in Oct 2012 left me an ex smoker.

    Thanks to Kevvie, my daily savings are going up.

    Of course, I may die of high blood pressure if the little
    twat is not terminated at the next election…

  28. Infidel Tiger

    Slowly but surely smoking is becoming once again what it should always be: A leisure pursuit of the well heeled.

    For too long the good name of smoking has been sullied by working class bums, pensioners and the indigenous.

  29. “Hey Kev, imagine how much you could raise if you doubled the alcohol excise”

    No skin off my nose. It only becomes alcohol after I buy it. That particular science experiment worked so well I just have to repeat it ad infinitum.

  30. What next, a tax on proctology services after his pet gerbil suffocated? Did I just say that out loud?

  31. Menai Pete

    State sanctioned bigotry raises its ugly head again. When in doubt pick on a smoker

  32. SteveC

    Ah Sinclair, your grasp of logic knows no bounds:

    Prime Minister Rudd’s mother was diagnosed with Parkinson’s, and she passed away in 2004, from ?

    You remind meof the wife in this Monty Python sketch:

    For example, given the premise, “all fish live underwater” and “all mackerel are fish”, my wife will conclude, not that “all mackerel live underwater”, but that “if she buys kippers it will not rain”, or that “trout live in trees”, or even that “I do not love her any more.” This she calls “using her intuition”. I call it “crap”, and it gets me very *irritated* because it is not logical.

    The rest of the sketch can be found here.

  33. Chris

    Mirimar you are a fucking legend mate.

    Well done on youir expose. Put it to the Oz as an Op Ed.

    Hahaha, if you google the text that they posted you’ll find the same text (tailored a bit depending on the country) has been posted around the internet a lot of times under many different names on different sites. Given how fast the response came up I’d guess the smoking lobby groups are paying people to push their propaganda around.

  34. Gab

    ACCOMPANYING Kevin Rudd on his quest to become prime minister is a reminder of his late mother.

    Margaret Rudd died two years ago after a struggle with Parkinson’s disease

    Before setting off on his 10-day listening tour this week, Mr Rudd again spoke of his mother’s battle against the disease in an emotional speech to Parliament.

    The speech was part of the controversial stem cell debate.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/archive/news/kevin-rudd-wears-mums-token/story-e6frf7l6-1111112678291

    Rudd speaking on the stem cell debate:

    When I last participated in this debate back in 2002 I referred then to the fact that my mother was a Parkinson’s sufferer. Parkinson’s is a truly terrible disease.

    I voted for the legislation four years ago. Mum died two years ago, so she is not here to ask about this one.

  35. Meanwhile, get diesel off the road.
    And cars.
    And mobile phones.
    And wood fires.

    And people, don’t forget people. After all, if we didn’t exist, we wouldn’t have any problems!

    Specicide. You know it makes sense.

    Oops, looks like this mob will beat us to it.

  36. Infidel Tiger

    from ?

    Shame? Was it shame?

  37. Miramar

    “Hahaha, if you google the text that they posted you’ll find the same text (tailored a bit depending on the country) has been posted around the internet a lot of times under many different names on different sites. Given how fast the response came up I’d guess the smoking lobby groups are paying people to push their propaganda around.”

    Hey, Chris, you’re a silly, brainwashed liar degenerating to ad homs. You’re the one pushing propaganda. You’re playing an old game contrived by the zealots. What does it matter that it’s been posted before in other contexts? Is the information valid, relevant? You don’t address this at all because you’re not capable of reasoning through the points. So you deteriorate to the “it’s paid shills” commenting as part of a tobacco industry “conspiracy”. It’s pathetic.

    So, Chris, let’s get a few things straight. I don’t get paid by anyone for the comments I post. The information I post can be checked for veracity. I have no connection to tobacco companies whatsoever. My interest in the serious damage that zealots partnering with government can do; give zealots/fanatics an inch and they’ll take 10 miles. And, Chris, if you were man enough, you would apologize for the stupid comment you just made.

  38. Miramar

    Antismoking has been obscenely funded by the taxpayer and Pharma interests for the last few decades. The great “skill” of activists is in propaganda – how to make headlines, how to maintain a high media profile. There has essentially been no questioning of their conduct. They are used to getting their way. The more fanatics are accommodated, the more hysterical and inflammatory become their claims, and the more deranged, draconian, and inhumane become their demands. On the rare occasion that fanatics don’t get their way, they resort to “Plan B” – it’s all a tobacco industry “conspiracy” – “there’s that “evil” tobacco industry thwarting our wonderful work”, screech the fanatics.

    This entire “Us vs them” framework was also contrived by the fanatics decades ago. This mythological good vs evil drama was suggested by the Australian antismoking activist, Chapman, at the 1983 [antismoking] World Conference on Smoking & Health. It was in the presentation of his paper, a manual on how to do propaganda, “The Lung Goodbye”:
    “Such a list could be added to considerably, but most entries would be characterized by being somehow cast in a mythological good versus evil battle in an arena observed by mass numbers of people. The good (health/clean air/children) versus evil (cancer/uncaring, callous industry) dimension is the ineluctable bottom line in the whole issue and a rich reservoir for spawning a great deal of useful social drama, metaphor, and symbolic politics that is the stuff of ‘news value’ and which is almost always to the detriment of the industry.” p.11 (see Godber Blueprint)

    Having cast themselves in the role of the “mythological good”, the zealots are always right. Anyone who dares disagree with them is always wrong and part of some “evil” tobacco industry “conspiracy”. It’s all for manipulative, “theatrical” effect – although there are some in the antismoking movement that believe they are “god-like” – and has been quite successfully used for the last three decades on an essentially superficial/gullible political class, media, and public. The zealots and their financial partners must have regular belly laughs at how all too easy the brainwashing has been.

  39. james

    Shame? Was it shame?

    You should know better IT

    Lefties have no shame.

  40. tomix

    Shame? Was it shame?

    Spite. She wouldn’t tell him where she’d hidden his nuts.

  41. Gab

    Shame? Was it shame?

    You should know better IT

    Lefties have no shame.

    Rudd’s parents voted for the Country Party.

  42. Smoking is protective against Parkinson’s.

    K Tanaka et al, ‘Active and passive smoking and risk of Parkinson’s disease’, Acta Neurological Scandanavia, 17 February 2010, found that active smoking actually reduced the risk of Parkinson’s Disease.

    The two killer findings:

    ‘No significant association was detected for passive smoking exposure.’

    ‘Our results appear to confirm data from previous epidemiological studies.’ eg. that smoking is protective against Parkinson’s.

    C Thiriez et al, ‘Can nicotine be used medicinally in Parkinson’s Disease?’ Expert Rev Clin Pharmacol 2011;4(4):429-436 notes that ‘Furthermore, huge prospective cohort studies brought even more credibility to the hypothesis of a protective role of smoking in PD.’

    Duration and intensity of smoking are also measurable, and show a protective effect.

    So really, Mrs Rudd should have taken UP smoking. It might have saved her life.

  43. Miramar

    For those not familiar:
    America has been a “leader” in this antismoking insanity which other countries are following suit. The problem with Americans is that they are clueless to even their own recent history. They have a terrible history with this sort of “health” fanaticism/zealotry/extremism or “clean living” hysteria.

    Antismoking is not new. It has a long, sordid, 400+ year history, much of it predating even the semblance of a scientific basis or the more recent concoction of secondhand smoke “danger”. Antismoking crusades typically run on inflammatory propaganda, i.e., lies, in order to get law-makers to institute bans. Statistics and causal attribution galore are conjured. The current antismoking rhetoric has all been heard before. All it produces is irrational fear and hatred, discord, enmity, animosity, social division, oppression, and bigotry. One of the two major antismoking (and anti-alcohol, dietary prescriptions/proscriptions, physical exercise) crusades early last century was in America. [The other crusade was in WWII Germany and the two crusades were intimately connected by physician-led eugenics]. The USA has been down this twisted, divisive path before. Consider the following. The bulk of claims made about smoking/tobacco were erroneous, baseless, but highly inflammatory. Unfortunately, the propaganda did its destructive job in the short term, producing mass hysteria or a bigotry bandwagon. When supported by the State, zealots seriously mess with people’s minds on a mass scale.
    http://www.americanheritage.com/content/thank-you-not-smoking
    Nazi War on Tobacco
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2352989/pdf/bmj00571-0040.pdf

    Another useful book is “Cigarette Wars: The ‘Triumph’ of the Little White Slaver” by Cassandra Tate. The comments program will not allow me to post the link. But if you google “The Endless War Against Tobacco” it should bring up a summary article of the book.

  44. SteveC

    I thought Sinclair sounded like the logician’s wife, but it would appear Gab (#943127) IS the logician’s wife.

  45. Miramar

    The current antismoking crusade, very much in the eugenics tradition, is much like previous crusades. It is a moralizing, social-engineering, eradication/prohibition crusade decided upon in the 1970s by a small, self-installed clique of [medically-oriented] fanatics operating under the auspices of the World Health Organization (see the Godber Blueprint http://www.rampant-antismoking.com ). This little, unelected group, using much the same inflammatory rhetoric of its fanatical predecessors, decided for everyone that tobacco-use should be eradicated from the world. These fanatics were speaking of secondhand smoke “danger” years before the first study on SHS, together with advocating indoor and OUTDOOR smoking bans: Secondhand smoke “danger” is a concoction to advance the social-engineering agenda, i.e., inflammatory propaganda. The zealots were also speaking of extortionate taxes as a coercive measure long before estimates of “health costs”.

    The zealots’ goal this time is not to ban the sale of tobacco but to ban smoking in essentially all the places that people smoke (combined with extortionate taxes). Up until recently the social-engineering intent has been masqueraded as protecting nonsmokers from secondhand smoke “danger”. But even this fraud is no longer viable in that bans are now being instituted for large outdoor areas such as parks, beaches, campuses where there is no demonstrable “health” issue for nonsmokers. This dangerous mix of the medically-aligned attempting social engineering is a throwback to a century ago. We seem to have learned nothing of value from very painful lessons of only the recent past.

  46. Gab

    Has SFB let you off the leash, SteveC?

  47. egg_

    The Gubmint’s obviously addicted to smoking – and it ain’t passive, either…

  48. candy

    It’s a bit ruthless to go about lying about how his mother died just to score political points. Wonder what the rest of the family think of all that, they would know the truth.

  49. Luke

    What gets me most is that each time they go to great lengths to point out how bad smoking is and how much harm it causes the economy, yet their response is never to ban it. WTF? Not wearing a bike helmet or seat belt is bad for you, so they banned it. Why not smoking? Same with alcohol, all these experts and cheer squad media who say higher taxes are great becasue it might get people to stop, but ignore the elephant in the room (banning it if its so bad).

  50. egg_

    It’s a bit ruthless to go about lying about how his mother died just to score political points. Wonder what the rest of the family think of all that, they would know the truth.

    The danger in encountering one of this type is in ‘mirroring’ – assuming that their values are in common with yours, when they are patently not.

  51. dragnet

    Wow I just tuned into the Phillipa/IT revelation…. it must be like Mrs Brown TV show at your place!

  52. Same with alcohol, all these experts and cheer squad media who say higher taxes are great becasue it might get people to stop

    An excise is defined by inelasticity of demand, as otherwise increased excise would be more than totally offset by reduction in demand, thus reducing revenue rather than increasing it. However, excise rises increase revenue as the reduction in demand is only minimal as vices don’t simply disappear because it has become expensive. As such, excises are by definition revenue raisers, so any excuse that it is for public health benefit is a demonstrable lie.

  53. Chris

    What does it matter that it’s been posted before in other contexts? Is the information valid, relevant?

    It’s a bit suss when the same slab of text is cut and paste in comments over websites from the US, Australia, and EU under different psuedonyms over the last year or so. You just have it ready to paste into any smoking related post you can find on the internet?

  54. .

    Chris #943126, posted on August 1, 2013 at 1:55 pm
    Mirimar you are a fucking legend mate.

    Well done on youir expose. Put it to the Oz as an Op Ed.

    Hahaha, if you google the text that they posted you’ll find the same text (tailored a bit depending on the country) has been posted around the internet a lot of times under many different names on different sites. Given how fast the response came up I’d guess the smoking lobby groups are paying people to push their propaganda around.

    …and I bet you London to a brick that you and Steve C are paid up Greens and ALP members who have never thought critically about public health – but rabbit out at pace whatever the nanny in chief says.

    Your silence is deafening.

  55. egg_

    If Kev’s so interested in our ‘elf, when’s he going to introduce a (plain packaged) Tim Tam Tax, or is that the ‘elephant’ in the room, Kev?

  56. Mrs Rudd had breast cancer for much of her life, as well as Parkinsons at the end.

    If she died of lung cancer, as Rudd claims, then it was probably from metastasis.

    Rudd himself talked about her breast cancer, but said that she died of ‘unrelated causes’ in 2004.

    Make your mind up, Kevin.

  57. Miramar

    Hey, Chris, you’re the one who’s “suss”. You’re still going on with the blather. All you’re demonstrating is that you don’t know too much about too much. You still will not address any of the points raised. Your attempt is simply to deflect attention away from the content by promoting some “conspiracy” theory. The information must really scare you, as it should scare the brainwashed.

  58. SteveC

    Miramar, if you are silly enough to simply cut and paste someone else’s comment from a different blog, without any attribution, then you deserve the ridicule you will receive. Alternatively you came up with the entire contribution yourself, in which case you have posted it widely, which isn’t a whole lot better.

  59. Robbo

    So what is the true story about his mother? We seem to be getting different versions every time he opens up his lying little mouth.

  60. Lucie

    Kevin hasn’t also said that she died in a car parked on a farm owned by a mean, nasty old farmer, has he? Oh, no, that was the beginning of his story, wasn’t it? Or Peter Rabbit’s. one or the other. Something like that. Live music, anyone?

  61. SteveC

    Phillipa, metastasis 30 years later seems unlikely. Hence “unrelated”.

  62. egg_

    Rudd himself talked about her breast cancer, but said that she died of ‘unrelated causes’ in 2004.

    ‘Dr Death’ misspoke again?

    Google translator Rudd-to-Truth:
    (ends)

  63. candy

    If she died of lung cancer, as Rudd claims, then it was probably from metastasis.

    That would be extremely likely, Philippa.

    The passive smoking thing was just a big porky. No-one dies of passive smoking anyway. He’s taking people for fools with that particular lie.

  64. Infidel Tiger

    Passive smoking kills as many people each year as global warming.

  65. Miramar

    Steve, see comments re: Chris. They apply equally to you. You guys have contributed nothing to the discussion other than your argumentum ad hominem. You guys should be ashamed that piffle is all you can provide. I’ve even shown you where the “Us vs them” tactic originated. Yet you still persist with the stupidity. You have a shallow repertoire limited to the parroting of slogans and slurs.

  66. CD

    I’ve always loved reading IT’s comments. Never did I pick IT as an 86yr old mother to Phillipa! Love it!

    I’ve just been through the whole saga of cigs with my husband who worries so much about our son who is back to smoking. He is so angry and upset about it. The same husband who had a SCA and was brought back after 20mins by a fabulous nurse sitting next to our table at a gig who did CPR or he’d be dead only to go on to have 5 heart bypasses.

    All this angst at our son while he held a plate of sticky date pudding covered in butterscotch sauce and ice cream.
    I turned and merely said…fvcking hypocrite ….while pointedly looking at his laden plate. Nothing I do helps. He buys rubbish and overeats.

    I’d love to know the habits of smoking opponents.

  67. Rabz

    Welcome to Australia, a fascist, wowser infested sewer:

    Tourists typically holidaying here can now only bring in 50 Duty Free cigarettes. They are then forced to attempt to find and purchase offensively packaged cigarettes at ridiculously exorbitant prices.

    Via a commenter at the ALPBC.

  68. Rabz

    He buys rubbish and overeats.

    Right – a suite of measures, I propose:

    A 40% tax increase on sticky date pudding, butterscotch sauce and ice cream.

    The aforementioned products may only be purchased from chemists and dispensed only in olive green packaging, covered in lurid photos of open heart surgery, dead stroke victims and morbidly obese peoples as well as large written warnings such as:

    Eating this fatty cholesterol laden rubbish will kill you

    Sticky date pudding causes heart disease

    Sure to be an astoundingly successful public health initiative.

  69. SteveC

    Miramar:

    You guys have contributed nothing to the discussion other than your argumentum ad hominem copy and paste. You guys should be ashamed that piffle is all you can provide.

    FIFY

  70. Miramar

    From a google search, Rudd makes a number of references to his mother dying of lung cancer, dating back to 2008. But never any “passive smoking” reference:

    2008
    http://nebuchadnezzarwoollyd.blogspot.com.au/2008/03/kevin-rudds-brisbane-community-cabinet.html
    2012:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/kevin-rudd-joins-the-fight-against-sarcoma-a-killer-of-children/story-e6frg6nf-1226363930824

    This from 2012:
    “My dear beloved mum, the teetotaller from central casting, the anti-smoking campaigner from central casting, having lived the life of an angel, dies of lung cancer. Why? We don’t know and we never will.”
    http://www.kevinruddmp.com/2012_05_01_archive.html

    Yet yesterday he claimed:
    “Mr Rudd prepared the ground for the tobacco price increase during a visit to a cancer centre being built at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in Sydney, pointing out his own mother died of lung cancer, a victim of passive smoking.”
    http://www.afr.com/p/national/cigarette_excise_up_bn_to_save_surplus_CGOJ90j2McCZjVq9ir8f5N

    The man is shameless.

  71. Miramar

    Moderator, I have a comment awaiting moderation re: clarification on “Rudd’s mum” with multiple links.
    Thanks.

  72. Gab

    Tourists typically holidaying here can now only bring in 50 Duty Free cigarettes.

    Someone else reminded me elsewhere that the Labor government hands out “free” cigarettes to asylum seekers, free as in paid for by the taxpayer.

    So when one of them develops long cancer down the track – as Rudd mentions today about the ill health effects of smoking – they’ll be able to sue the government and the taxpayer will also fund that.
    marvellous.

  73. CD

    Spot on Rabz. My point exactly to my husband. Hypocrisy in overload when it comes to smokers. People like my husband would be horrified to see their fave fat foods will be taxed and worse have to have a licence to buy them but they’re happy to come down hard on smokers. The harder the better says dear old hubby.

    I hate smoke as it affects me but as long as it’s not in my face I’m over all this hatred towards smokers and the do gooders desires to ban them out of existence. Mind you what will govts do if all smokers gave up?

    They’d be screwed.

  74. CD

    I’ve already commented on that scenario Gab. I said it’s just a matter of time before some refugees get lung cancer and become informed that an avenue for making money is to sue the govt who handed them to you ignoring the fact you smoked before coming to the land of milk and honey.

    Ably assisted no doubt by the advocates who just love using our tax dollars.

  75. Infidel Tiger

    Tourists typically holidaying here can now only bring in 50 Duty Free cigarettes.

    Australia is a revolting country. In all seriousness I can’t think of one reason to holiday here.

    Over priced, under serviced shithole. You wanna see a kangaroo? Go to a fucking zoo and then go somewhere nice for dinner. You’ll have a much better time and save yourself a fortune.

  76. harrys on the boat

    Rudds such a fucking liar I wouldn’t be surprised if his mother is alive and well and locked in his wine cellar.

  77. Miramar, I have gone on QED with my own take on it, and thank you for the middle reference, at least!

    http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/qed/2013/08/the-mother-of-all-shameless-spinners

  78. Rudds such a fucking liar I wouldn’t be surprised if his mother is alive and well and locked in his wine cellar.

    Too true, Harry. Too true.

  79. egg_

    Rudds such a fucking liar I wouldn’t be surprised if his mother is alive and well and locked in his wine cellar.

    The Norman Bates comparisons are countless…

  80. Lucie

    Have you cleaned your room yet, Philippa? Your mum sounds a bit cranky.

  81. She’s always like this when she doesn’t take her ‘medicine’.

    Ahhhh, happy memories of childhood. Aged 6 3/4, behind the wheel of the family station wagon, painfully negotiating the column shift while trying to see over the dashboard. All because Mum needed ‘medicine’ and I had to go round to the ‘chemist’ and pick up another six pack of it.

  82. harrys on the boat

    We used to call an old psycho boss, Norman. Yet another apt nickname for for the shithouse that calls himself PM.

  83. tomix

    On a brighter note, surely the labor party richly deserves kevin rudd.

  84. Steve of Glasshouse

    Phillipa..read the QED and noted the smoking / PD “protective ” link.
    My better half, God bless her, said ” Could you imagine some one with Parkinsons trying to light
    a ciggy? “

  85. lem

    I have just fallen back in love with this site now that I found out the truth about Infidel Tiger. I hope I grow up just like her 🙂

  86. Though the Government allegedly wants Australians to smoke fewer fags but pay more for them, it forks out well over a million dollars of taxpayers’ funds on tobacco products for “asylum-seekers” and other immigration detainees each year; still, many of those detainees—bless their wee, methyphobic hearts—won’t touch expensive liquor.

  87. blogstrop

    Oh dear. Steve C has been rehired for the election period, and on the other hand CL is still not back from his rescue/win the hand of Nigella quest.

  88. Gab

    This also belongs here:

    the Korber Foundation was responsible for manufacturing cigarettes, and questioned why Mr Rudd travelled to Berlin as a backbencher courtesy of the major firm.

    “Here is Mr Rudd preening around, as usual, pretending to have some moral position,” Mr Hunt told Sky News on Thursday.

    “He personally took two first-class flights to Berlin, stayed in a swank luxurious hotel, courtesy of belly of the beast, the heart of the tobacco industry.”

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/oppn-demands-rudd-explain-tobacco-trip/story-e6frfku9-1226689350544#ixzz2aiBaLeJo

  89. egg_

    CL is still not back from his rescue/win the hand of Nigella quest.

    What State does CL hail from?

  90. blogstrop

    What State does CL hail from?

    It’s one of those states with a double barrelled name, like West Australia, or Southern California.

    That’s it: Constant Vigilance. I think Gab’s from there too.

  91. blogstrop

    Speaking of active drinking, excuse me for being under the partial influence of Taylors Shiraz 2010, not a bad drop. Even better if you pick it up for $10 instead of the more usual $16.

  92. RyanStarr

    So I’m sure we can all guess what Mr Rudd was heard to say upon his visit to the Bundongalong In-Growing Toe Nail clinic…

  93. egg_

    blogstrop
    #943598, posted on August 1, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Ta, thought he kept late hours.

  94. The truth about Rudd’s mother is that she died of whatever is most useful for him in the current press spin cycle.

    Rudd’s father was of course murdered by the incompetence of those incompetent filthy-rich upper-class doctors, but never mind the lack of a seatbelt or whatever the level of ethanol in his blood might have been, no sir. Never mind that.

  95. Gab

    Six weeks after a treatment for injuries received in a car accident, Bert — Kevin’s father — died from a septicemia infection contracted in hospital.

  96. Gab

    Yes, I know that, Perturbed. Rest easy. You comment prompted me to recall something I had read earlier today, that’s all.

  97. Pedro the Ignorant

    http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/qed/2013/08/the-mother-of-all-shameless-spinners

    Phillipa, that piece at Quadrant is a work of art.
    Skewered the pasty faced poseur right where it hurts the most, his insufferable ego.

    Bravo!

  98. Giffy

    Bravo from me also, Philippa. Repulsive Rudd and his fakery. He mustn’t win. It’s nearly 3am and night thoughts with a broken leg have made me wonder if the big guns et al are praying for Tony Abbott now and in the coming weeks, the way people used to in my grandma’s day. I think they were called novenas, for particular causes.

    My new moonboot is proving very painful, not full of magical cushioning air-blisters at all. It’s a vice-boot, a suffocating clamp, and something’s wrong. And a cigarette would help, but pressure made me quit. However, reading that Infidel Tiger is Philippa’s mother, and a room needs to be tidied, has made me smile.

  99. The many sides of Kevin Rudd

    At the Cancer Council (which he addresses as “Cancos”)

    My dear mother was a dancer
    who would shine at ev’ry ball,
    but she later died of cancer
    though she’d never smoked at all.

    She was murdered by tobacco—
    from her smoking passively.
    (I have no proof but yet I know;
    and my experts will agree.)

    We shall raise tobacco’s levy—
    add more taxes, raise the cost—
    and with penalties so heavy,
    no more mothers will be lost!

    At the Parkinson’s Alliance (which he addresses as “Parkos”)

    My mother died of Parkinson’s
    such a nasty, bad disease.
    I’ll find a way to raise you funds
    from new taxes, dues or fees.

    At the Heart Foundation (which he addresses as “Heartos”)

    The heart attacks which killed my mum
    had an evil cause, I think:
    at burger bars she’d fill her tum,
    so I’ll tax junk food and drink.

  100. However, reading that Infidel Tiger is Philippa’s mother, and a room needs to be tidied, has made me smile.

    I am always willing to suffer personal humiliation to relieve the burdens of others.

    Thank you.

    Poor Albert Rudd – a long and lingering death. But Christian Kerr has already lifted the lid on that family legend.

  101. The PM addresses the Lung Disease Foundation (which he addresses as “Lungos”)

    Mother’s health had been declining;
    she coughed her diagnosis—
    phthisis why I hate all mining—:
    she died from asbestosis.

  102. All of my many foster parents died of many different illnesses.

    Can’t see what the big deal is.

    Cough.

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