Sunday Forum: August 25, 2013

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  1. Armadillo

    Leftwing loons are doing cartwheels over a couple of decimal places thinking it will turn into a trend.

    Tell them to trend this:

    Sportsbet – Coalition $1.08 – Labor $7.50

    Roll up, roll up – great value to be had.

  2. JC

    Hey, the Bobster must be beside himself with joy over this poll. At this rate of climb, The bobster must be thinking his monthly paycheck won’t necessarily get cut.

  3. Septimus

    Lucie – Winterwood and Crossroads are two very nice songs, the latter with just Don Mclean singing accompanied by piano. He is an excellent troubadour. I think I’ll listen to his Chain Lightning album before retiring for the night.

  4. Snoopy

    I have a busload of moronic cousins.

    It must be true. One of your cousins told me the same thing!

  5. val majkus

    JC – the polls are beyond me! I’ve become a poll watcher recently – well 2007, 2010 and now. I’m just so keen to see the back of these dreadful Labor years. So I’m the last one who can analyse them, I just watch them go up and down and hope like hell the Coalition wins the election.

  6. Token

    Armadillo, you can contact the guy who runs the site at his Facebook page. He really knows his stuff, works with publishing company based near Shanghai.

  7. .

    What is wrong with the tax system:

    http://www.oecd.org/statistics/datalab/taxing-wages.htm

    Swan/Bowen may have sold you a line about “lower taxes than the OECD!”, but have a look at the marginal tax wedge.

    The upshot of this is you are being treated like lab rats. Government is making life confusing and hard for you.

  8. Annie A

    Oh, I just remembered one comment from the Open letter to News Ltd blog:
    Someone commented on how embarasing it was for Tony Abbott, a politician, to join in with the Army’s morning training…what next…etc
    I could not help but to compare… and all I could think of was the shaving cut selfie our PRIME MINISTER (the highest postion in the land) was partaking in…Now that was embarassing… IMHO…

  9. From Bob Ellis:

    I am the nation’s leading expert on the subject of polling fraud. I have not once been challenged on any assertion I have made here or elsewhere that Newspoll are in the pocket of the Rinehart-Murdoch alliance. The poll figures showing a Coalition victory are hollow lies, posited by hollow men, by stuffed men.

    Rudd’s day has yet to come, but come it will. As I said to Laurie Oakes last night at John’s place in the city, Rudd will be leading the polls – even the fraudulent ones – by next Wednesday. Saturday 7 September will see the biggest Labor victory in history.

    I stand by my predictions. It will be the greatest comeback since Phar Lap was reanimated in Dr Strangelove’s laboratory and beat Makybe Diva in the 2005 Melbourne Cup. I was there. I threw my hat in the air, and kissed Jean Shrimpton.

    ‘night all.

  10. Newspoll has been loopy for years now. Usually overshooting the actual movements.

  11. Armadillo

    Ok so it’s an MOE change. Who cases?

    Who cases – what, houses you mean? Not “The Bobster” anymore – until the next poll that is.

    Probably a “good result” for the Coalition in the sense that it will focus peoples minds (with the Greens running the line about “unfettered power”). You need for people to make a decisive decision rather than a “protest vote”. A really good poll if you consider the implications. The “closer” the better I say.

  12. Rafe

    Its the polls in the marginals that all the insiders will be sweating on.

    So far the nationwide figures have generally held up better for the ALP than what we have been told about the marginals (but still far behind).

  13. Token

    Amazing how far racial politics have evolved sinced the Trayvon Martin verdict…Mr Magoo is the lead detective on the case I hear:

    Chris Lane was not shot in the back and left to die on the side of a road in Oklahoma because he was white or the victim of a gang initiation, the lead prosecutor and police chief investigating the murder believe.

    Inflammatory, race-based comments on Twitter by the youngest accused, 15-year-old James “Bug” Edwards, before last week’s drive-by murder in the city of Duncan led to speculation Mr Lane, 22, from Melbourne, was targeted because of his race.

    In one Twitter post Edwards wrote: “90% of white ppl are nasty. HATE THEM”.

    In another post Edwards, a champion junior wrestler who hoped to represent the US at the Olympics, claimed to have knocked five white people out after July’s controversial acquittal in Florida of neighbourhood watch co-ordinator George Zimmerman for the second-degree murder of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

  14. JC

    . Usually overshooting the actual movements.

    Lol.. Fatboy, you and that other imbecile.. the Partridge… would be coming over here and high fiving each other every time Newspoll showed a slight blip in favor of the Lying Slapper telling us how it was a the start of a trend and the slapper would be in the lodge for years.

    And now this:

    Newspoll has been loopy for years now

    Your stupidity has absolutely no bounds, just like your rotundness.

  15. Infidel tiger

    Well if we invade Syria by Tuesday I can see the ALP moving up another point. Maybe.

  16. Rafe

    Also the Coalition has been keeping a lot of advertising powder dry for the run home. Didn’t need to use it last week with the regular media doing the job well enough.
    Or maybe they have decided to leave out all the shit dumped on Rudd by his mates and stick to the simple positive theme of the launch.

  17. Armadillo

    Armadillo, you can contact the guy who runs the site at his Facebook page. He really knows his stuff, works with publishing company based near Shanghai.

    Token, thanks again.

  18. Leo G

    Opinion polls have a much greater uncertainty than is published by the pollsters. The poll results typically do not include undecided responses and non- responses, nor do they adjust the confidence interval to account for them. But close to election dates the response rate improves and, surprise, the poll results show unexpected shifts.

  19. JC

    This is really funny…This gal is really about as good looking as you could get… in fact human genes couldn’t produce anything better. But she really does have a huge foot in her twitter account.

    My Favorite Model…

    …has long been Bar Rafaeli, for reasons that require no explanation. When a woman looks like Bar you can forgive anything, even dating Leonardo DiCaprio. But Rafaeli has not been terribly popular in her native Israel, mostly because she dodged service in the IDF and later explained, in a moment of ill-advised candor:

    I don’t regret not enlisting, because it paid off big time. That’s just the way it is; celebrities have other needs.

    More recently, however, the swimsuit model has shown more loyalty to her native land. Her Twitter feed, which is actually rather entertaining, is often posted in Hebrew, and Bar expresses sentiments like “Shabbat shalom” and, upon her return to Israel, “Home sweet home.”

    and then

    Roger Waters, formerly of Pink Floyd–one of a number of bands that I have missed completely over the years–is doing some kind of show in Paris, which Rafaeli attended. She was delighted to see a photo of herself as part of a video at the concert, and tweeted:

    Crazy thing … Went to the Roger Waters show in Paris, and saw a pic of myself on the wall!!! #respect!!! I’m honored

    But Bar then learned that Waters is a virulent Israel-hater who has urged other artists to boycott that country to “support all our brothers and sisters in Palestine and Israel who are struggling to end all forms of Israeli oppression.”

    So she reversed course, tweeting in Hebrew:

    Roger Waters, you better take my picture off of the video art at your shows. If you’re boycotting – go all the way.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/08/my-favorite-model.php

  20. Fisky

    m0nty and Stepford are not disowning Newspoll now are they?

  21. Armadillo

    Newspoll has been loopy for years now

    You never actually said what your dog’s name was mOnster? Did you?

  22. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “… testimonials from a politician’s own children tend to the sugar, and make criticism too dangerous for all but the mean – which often makes them unfair.

    That said, Tony Abbott’s daughters were a smash hit at the Liberal launch, giving their father an introduction that would have given him plenty more friends:

    Abbott’s speech was good, too – in that it was perfectly safe and sane, and modest in scope. Critic proof. No need for great inspiration now. I suspect Abbott for many voters is seeming more prime ministerial in the course of the campaign. The gravitas is still not quite there, but the calmness, discipline and assurance is.”

    Herein lies the feeble ambivalence of Andrew Bolt.

    “testimonials from a politician’s own children … which often makes them unfair” without any rationale for the invented assertion. Give us an example.

    “often unfair”? Politicians rarely involve their families, apart from leaders’ wives as extras in TV shots. It’s deliberate but what’s unfair about their presence? Puff pieces in the Wymminses Weeply about evil spinster witches being lovely people are unfair, because they lie to the blancmange brained masses. Abbott’s capable daughters being able to speak publicly, eminently more capably than Labor’s bimbo ministerettes, is hardly unfair – and Bolt would be making a more honest effort if he wrote about that.

    In his reporting on this Bolt is no different to the Current Affair reporter on dodgy dry cleaners, breathlessly wringing his hands for the masses about invented slights.

    That said, Tony Abbott’s daughters were a smash hit” – now that he has transmogrified his unsubstantiated assertion into a fake fact off he canters to the next unjustified acrobatic piece, presumably to demonstrate he is an objective reporter:

    “The gravitas is still not quite there …”

    Eh? Where did that flying intellectual leap come from? Does he want Abbott to tilt his head more forward, dim the lighting a bit and speak gravely, slowly about Greek ancient history, just like Gough?

    The bloke’s just given him a lovely ratings free kick and he throws that confected ship back in his face?

    The man’s a weak as pith ponce.

  23. Lucie

    God, JC, you do like to hyperbowl! Sure she’s very pretty and a model – but she looks a lot like a lot of other models. Bor-ing LOL … It really is in the eye of the beholder … Except maybe for most women in the Greens/ALP 🙂

  24. JC

    m0nty and Stepford are not disowning Newspoll now are they?

    Garcon Gros is, I’m not sure about the Partridge though. He’s only allowed one comment per day and currently sulking about it , so he won’t use the privilege and won’t tell is what he thinks.

    The moron.

  25. JC

    God, JC, you do like to hyperbowl! Sure she’s very pretty and a model – but she looks a lot like a lot of other models. Bor-ing LOL

    yea, you’re right Lucille. Bar is just the average sorta gal you see anywhere. Nothing special about her looks at all. Nothing.

  26. Fisky

    Doggate is a huge scandal that will ruin m0nster’s career. C’mon m0nst tell us more about this alledged ex-pooch!

  27. Gab

    Nah, Lucie, she’s an absolute stunner. *sigh* Just goes to show this ‘equality for all schtick’ from the Left is bogus.

  28. Infidel tiger

    Garcon Gros is, I’m not sure about the Partridge though. He’s only allowed one comment per day and currently sulking about it , so he won’t use the privilege and won’t tell is what he thinks.

    Steve’s on a Murdoch bender. He’s even threatening to buy a Fairfax subscription. I hope his wife doesn’t give him the credit card.

  29. twostix

    m0nty and Stepford are not disowning Newspoll now are they?

    Remember when Newspoll laughingly had Gillard at 50/50 with Abbott at the start of the year a couple of times? M0nty and the left thought they were the shit then and that Gillard comeback #332 had begun.

  30. Lucie

    JC, now you’re just swinging back to the other extreme. She’s just not my cup of tea, ok? I don’t go in for the plastic cookie-cutter blonde giraffes of modern-day “beauty” . But hey, that’s just me 🙂
    —-
    Mick, why are you being so hard on Andrew Bolt? He’s entitled to his opinion … as long as Labor loses LOL

  31. Armadillo

    He’s only allowed one comment per day

    One is a lonely number apparently. Like numbers and partridge. Oh, and mOnster without his dearly departed dog.

  32. JC

    Remember when Newspoll laughingly had Gillard at 50/50 with Abbott at the start of the year a couple of times? M0nty and the left thought they were the shit then and that Gillard comeback #332 had begun.

    Vividly. He was ably assisted by his beautiful assistant…. the Partridge.

  33. Gab

    The man’s a weak as pith ponce.

    Lately he’s become a real fence-sitter, or is it that he’s keeping one foot in each camp? i don’t know what he’s trying to achieve anymore.

  34. JC

    JC, now you’re just swinging back to the other extreme.

    Hardly.

    She’s just not my cup of tea, ok?

    I hope not.

    I don’t go in for the plastic cookie-cutter blonde giraffes of modern-day “beauty” . But hey, that’s just me

    Don’t you think men are better able to be the judges of female looks though?

  35. Armadillo

    Doggate is a huge scandal that will ruin m0nster’s career

    That is fucking so funny. Well done.

  36. JC

    Lately he’s become a real fence-sitter, or is it that he’s keeping one foot in each camp? i don’t know what he’s trying to achieve anymore.

    It’s embarrassment. As the resident professor of wrongology at the Cat he’s getting a little embarrassed at his 100% wrongness.

  37. Lucie

    Not really, JC. A woman can just as easily judge beauty in another woman. And I think a lot of men are brainwashed into thinking “the ultimate” whatever the fashion of the day happens to be. If you look right back through history, people’s (including men’s) concept of female beauty has varied a lot.

  38. JC

    Steve’s on a Murdoch bender. He’s even threatening to buy a Fairfax subscription.

    He’s like a toilet for leftwing talking points.

  39. TheMissingLink

    Update from Ghost who votes

    #Newspoll 2 Party Preferred: ALP 47 (+1) L/NP 53 (-1) #ausvotes— GhostWhoVotes (@GhostWhoVotes) August 25, 2013

  40. JC

    If you look right back through history, people’s (including men’s) concept of female beauty has varied a lot.

    No it hasn’t. It seems to be quite rock solid and Bar would be in the stunning group.

  41. Armadillo

    If you look right back through history, people’s (including men’s) concept of female beauty has varied a lot.

    That is so true Lucie. Both Therese and Gina would have looked stunning back when people were hungry. Today, not so much. Who knows, if Tony cuts back on the asylum seeker welfare they well may come back into fashion.

  42. twostix

    The last three years have been a hellish nightmare but one thing we mustn’t do is seek mental relief via magnanimity towards our tormentors post election.

    After the election the left are going to go full retard in all sorts of ways. It’s not enough for us to just laugh at them and ignore them. We need to actively participate in accelerating their complete breakdown. We should start thinking of ways to do this now.

  43. Infidel tiger

    The last three years have been a hellish nightmare but one thing we mustn’t do is seek mental relief via magnanimity towards our tormentors post election

    The left must be physically and mentally punished for a term not less than a decade. We will then hold peace talks before deciding whether or not to extend the punishment by a further decade. Which of course we will.

  44. Armadillo

    Umm…….I think mass hangings are sort of illegal twostix.

    Let’s see what the new parliament decides shall we?

  45. Lucie

    Yeah, there’s no arguing with you, JC. 🙂

    For me, tall, big-boned/angular, big-footed (as you say), regular featured blonde might be good-looking , sure, but as far as superlatives go, I reckon there were far more of them among the generally much shorter, more delicate women of the golden age of Hollywood, for example. But I’m sure most men -and women – today would agree with you because that’s what’s presented as the ideal.

  46. .

    Lucie
    #971978, posted on August 25, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    JC, now you’re just swinging back to the other extreme. She’s just not my cup of tea, ok? I don’t go in for the plastic cookie-cutter blonde giraffes of modern-day “beauty” . But hey, that’s just me 🙂

    Bullshit. She’s absolutely stunning. I suppose Doutzen kroes is “plain”?

    I also have (had for a while) a sneaking suspicion you are not a Bolt refugee but a refugee from the Bird system. You’re not sympathetic to Nidal Hasan, are you?

  47. JC

    The last three years have been a hellish nightmare but one thing we mustn’t do is seek mental relief via magnanimity towards our tormentors post election.

    Of course not. Magnanimity is for big marys. Winning the election ought to make us even angrier at them.

    After the election the left are going to go full retard in all sorts of ways.

    Yep and the hotline is ready and willing to lend a hand.

    It’s not enough for us to just laugh at them and ignore them. We need to actively participate in accelerating their complete breakdown. We should start thinking of ways to do this now.

    Agreed.

    I says ban them all from here and demand the new government institute Finkelstien, which is what the Left was pining for only a short while ago and then fucking crucify them.

  48. Lucie

    Don’t you start on me, Dot.

    I just don’t agree with JC’s outlandish statement that “human genes couldn’t produce anything better”.

  49. Lucie

    You Libertarians have some very totalitarian ideas! Where’s the freedom LOL

  50. Gab

    Like I said, Lucie, she’s stunning. There’s no doubt about it at all.

  51. .

    I will start because you will not deny you are Phil/Freddie etc.

    I just don’t agree with JC’s outlandish statement that “human genes couldn’t produce anything better”.

    Doutzen Kroes.

  52. Armadillo

    and then fucking crucify them.

    Already emailed my new MP with that suggestion JC (amongst others). Again, it’s their decision and theirs alone. Either way, I don’t mind.

  53. JC

    But I’m sure most men -and women – today would agree with you because that’s what’s presented as the ideal.

    So you’re saying that if this was presented at “the ideal” men would go ga ga over her too. We’re so easily influenced, right?

  54. Potemkin’s Village

    Seek and ye shall find…. here

  55. Lucie

    Sorry but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Or am I not allowed to have a different opinion? She’s very good looking but not interesting to me at all. Her kind of beauty I find pretty boring and commercial. Sorry – so sue me!

  56. Armadillo

    Morgan:

    The ALP primary vote is 34.5% (down 2%), behind the L-NP primary vote at 45% (up 0.5%).

  57. JC

    I also have (had for a while) a sneaking suspicion you are not a Bolt refugee but a refugee from the Bird system. You’re not sympathetic to Nidal Hasan, are you?

    Well I never. Lucille, you’re not big fat Phil… Birdies trannie… are you. We were wondering what the hell happened. Some of us though Birdie may have harpooned her.

  58. .

    Piss off Jinmaro.

    A model does not look “commercial”.

  59. twostix

    I says ban them all from here and demand the new government institute Finkelstien, which is what the Left was pining for only a short while ago and then fucking crucify them.

    The problem is they’ll inevitably invade it and turn it against us. Like the existing Press Council which pretty much rules 10:1 for leftist complaints against News Ltd vs conservatives against Fairfax. And the Press Council is a private affair to boot.

    What are the faultlines in the left’s unholy coalition?

  60. Armadillo

    Morgan in full:

    Last weekend (August 23-25, 2013) with only two weeks to go until the Federal Election, the L-NP has the lead – L-NP 51.5% (up 0.5%) cf. ALP 48.5% (down 0.5%) on a two-party preferred basis.

    The ALP primary vote is 34.5% (down 2%), behind the L-NP primary vote at 45% (up 0.5%).

    Among the minor parties Greens support is 11% (up 1.5%) and support for Independents/ Others is 9.5% (unchanged) – including within that support for the Palmer United Party of 1.5% and support for Katter’s Australian Party of 1%.

    The Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating is virtually unchanged in the past week – up 0.5pts to 104.5. Now 43.5% (up 1%) of Australians say Australia is ‘heading in the right direction’ and 39% (up 0.5%) say Australia is ‘heading in the wrong direction’.

    If a Federal Election were held today the L-NP would be heading for a narrow victory according to this weekend’s multi-mode Morgan Poll on Federal voting intention with an Australia-wide cross-section of 3,419 Australian electors aged 18+. The Morgan Poll surveys a significantly larger sample (including people who only use a mobile phone) than any other public opinion poll.

    For the Poll Nerds! Calculation of 2PP vote is based on how preferences for minor parties are allocated:

    The Morgan Poll allocates preferences of minor party voters based on how electors surveyed say they will vote: ALP (48.5%) cf. L-NP (51.5%). When the Morgan Poll allocates preferences by how Australian electors gave their preferences at the last Federal election – the method used by Newspoll, Fairfax Nielsen and Galaxy – the Morgan Poll shows a clear lead for the L-NP (52.5%, up 0.5%) cf. ALP (47.5%, down 0.5%).

    Although not everyone votes ‘the card’, how the preferences of minor parties are allocated on Election Day will depend on the ‘deals’ that are done by various parties and the ‘cards’.

    Analysis by Gender

    Analysis by Gender shows Women favouring the ALP (50.5%, down 1%) cf. L-NP (49.5%, up 1%) on a two party preferred basis and Men unchanged in the past week with the L-NP 53.5% (unchanged) cf. ALP 46.5% (unchanged).

    Gary Morgan says:

    “The L-NP (51.5%, up 0.5%) has increased its lead over the ALP (48.5%, down 0.5%) on a two-party preferred basis with only two weeks to go until the Federal Election.

    “The mid-week ‘people’s debate’ in Brisbane appeared to have little impact on the campaign. Many analysts scored the debate as a draw, and the most notable moment in the debate came when Opposition Leader Tony Abbott asked rhetorically of the audience, ‘Does this guy ever shut-up’, while Prime Minister Kevin Rudd was answering a question.

    “Both leaders have agreed to a further debate to take place this Wednesday night at the Rooty Hill RSL club in Western Sydney. A close analysis of the Morgan Poll results since Kevin Rudd took over as Prime Minister in late June shows the L-NP stands a good chance of picking up the marginal Western Sydney ALP electorates of Greenway (held by 0.9%), Lindsay (1.1%), McMahon (7.8%) and Reid (2.7%).

    “Since the initial Rudd ‘honeymoon’ in early July – in which the ALP two-party preferred vote increased from 44.5% under Julia Gillard to 54.5% (July 5-7, 2013), the ALP two-party preferred vote has either decreased or remained the same in each of the subsequent seven multi-mode Morgan Polls conducted.

    “For the ALP and Kevin Rudd to have any chance of reversing the momentum which is heavily favouring the L-NP, Rudd must score a decisive victory in this week’s Town Hall debate in Western Sydney. The Roy Morgan Reactor closely analysed the results of last week’s debate held in Brisbane and can be viewed here.”

  61. candy

    ugh! what a terrible picture JC just put up, knew I shouldn’t have looked.

  62. Lucie

    Whatever the term is for a fallacy in argument where you jump from one unreasonable extreme to the other – instead of debating the point in the middle – that’s what you do, JC and Dot. Why must you force people to have exactly the same opinion? Libertarian Schmibertarian LOL Goodnight!

  63. .

    Just answer the question. Are you Phil the Phreak from Bird’s blog or not?

  64. Rob

    That is so true Lucie. Both Therese and Gina would have looked stunning back when people were hungry. Today, not so much. Who knows, if Tony cuts back on the asylum seeker welfare they well may come back into fashion.

    Might be fashionable in PNG anyway.

  65. JC

    The problem is they’ll inevitably invade it and turn it against us.

    You mean like the next time they win an election. Look, I think the Leftwing MSM earns the Liars party possibly 10 points in an election. So destroy all the remnants of the leftwing media. First go after the ABC then after that’s buried have Gina buy Fairfax and have her fire the lo0ns there.

    Like the existing Press Council which pretty much rules 10:1 for leftist complaints against News Ltd vs conservatives against Fairfax. And the Press Council is a private affair to boot.

    Ignore the press council. Talk News ltd and the rest into not funding it and close it down.

    What are the faultlines in the left’s unholy coalition?

    The faultlines are two things.

    The ABC is very vulnerable to the Libs fucking them over big time and of course Fairfax is vulnerable in terms of survival.

  66. JC

    Why must you force people to have exactly the same opinion?

    We’re not. You could say 1 +1 = 3. That’s your opinion but it doesn’t make it correct.

  67. Gab

    Good stuff here:

    TONY Abbott is committed to upgrading relations with Israel as part of a suite of new policies on the Middle East that includes banning more terrorist organisations and a harder line on visits to Australia by extremists.

    A Coalition government would also step-up opposition to the “boycott, divestment and sanctions” campaign against Israel, withholding taxpayer funds from any organisation that actively backed the movement.

    The Australian has learned that the Opposition Leader will this week commit to extending to Israeli citizens an electronic travel authority, which in most cases provides nearly instant visa approval.

    The ETA system was introduced by the Howard government for citizens of advanced nations who have no history of illegally overstaying in Australia.

    The Labor government recently expanded the list of nations whose citizens are eligible for fast-track visas to 64 but left Israel off the list – a decision critics said was in line with recent moves by the ALP to distance itself from Israel, including at the UN.

    It is understood the omission of Israel caused consternation in Jerusalem.

    Both the EU and Canada provide visa-free entry to Israelis.

    An Abbott government would immediately direct that Israel be added to the list of nations whose citizens can access fast-track electronic visas for short-term visits to Australia.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/quick-visas-for-israelis-as-coalition-opens-door/story-fn9qr68y-1226703811888

  68. twostix

    Umm here’s the link.

    In another tab I’m reading a forum thread where people are posting photos of their various dirtbike accident injuries. Some of them are pretty graphic and horrifying, but none of them are anywhere near as awful as that you bastard.

  69. JC

    Stix

    You then go after the universities and Arts funding. Clean out every single chair at a university that has a leftist. Demand accountability against extremism. Ask Clive Hamilton’s employer how they can justify his continued existence when he’s pushed very extremist and certainly non-mainstream views. Cut their funding and keep cutting it. Punish them severely until they let him go.

  70. twostix

    TONY Abbott is committed to upgrading relations with Israel as part of a suite of new policies on the Middle East that includes banning more terrorist organisations and a harder line on visits to Australia by extremists.

    A Coalition government would also step-up opposition to the “boycott, divestment and sanctions” campaign against Israel, withholding taxpayer funds from any organisation that actively backed the movement.

    This is a master stroke. I’m going to reiterate my belief that when it comes to tactical warfare against the left Tony Abbott is be one of the best. His credentials on that particular matter are impeccable from him allegedly running a communist beating goon squad in uni to beating them in student politics running as a conservative catholic in the communist loving 1970’s.

  71. Fisky

    TONY Abbott is committed to upgrading relations with Israel as part of a suite of new policies on the Middle East that includes banning more terrorist organisations and a harder line on visits to Australia by extremists.

    A Coalition government would also step-up opposition to the “boycott, divestment and sanctions” campaign against Israel, withholding taxpayer funds from any organisation that actively backed the movement.

    Great policy, but I bet the Official Jews, like that Danny character who was on here a couple weeks back, won’t swing their support to the LNP at all. They will always be grateful to Labor for the Bolt Inquisition legislation.

  72. Fisky

    This is a master stroke. I’m going to reiterate my belief that when it comes to tactical warfare against the left Tony Abbott is be one of the best.

    Abbott is no slouch, but Reith is the most effective bruiser going round. Nobody was better at throwing a scare into the Left, and it was impossible to intimidate him in return.

  73. twostix

    pushed very extremist and certainly non-mainstream views.

    This is where it’s at.

    Using phrases like “extreme” and “unreasonable” and “community expectations” are trigger words which give people permission to disagree with pop-culture leftist shibboleths without feeling like they’re going against the mainstream. So for example they’re teaching green left politics in NSW schools like it’s some mainstream thing rather than the unrecognized far-left niche, faculty lounge bullshit it is. So going in ranting about that as a political issue is a non-starter. But going in and talking about your concern about the “extreme views” that are “way outside the communities expectations” makes the person feel like they’re being forced to defend some radical political bullshit that they don’t really actually want to be defending.

    A leftist tactic to be sure and good enough to steal. As Gough said: It’s time…time to steal the lefts tactics wholesale.

  74. Gab

    Now if only Abbott would announce that our humanitarian intake will be restricted to Coptic Christians for the next two years. It won’t happen of course but I can hope.

  75. Gab

    twostix
    posted on August 26, 2013 at 12:50 am

    Excellent.
    Bookmarked and to be implemented as often as possible. Thank you, Obi-Wan Kenobi. 🙂

  76. twostix

    Abbott is no slouch, but Reith is the most effective bruiser going round. Nobody was better at throwing a scare into the Left, and it was impossible to intimidate him in return.

    When Abbott gives it to them, in their hazy and confused minds it’s as if DLP is reaching out of its grave and slapping them. That makes their teeth gnashing and wailing just a bit sweeter.

  77. twostix

    Great policy, but I bet the Official Jews, like that Danny character who was on here a couple weeks back, won’t swing their support to the LNP at all. They will always be grateful to Labor for the Bolt Inquisition legislation.

    I noticed a couple of weeks ago some BDS leftists were hauled before the speech prosecutors and found guilty so I suspect you’re right – especially since Abbott promised to repeal “some” of the legislation.

  78. Gab

    Kevin channeling Obama.

    KEVIN Rudd could have been briefed on the apparent chemical weapons atrocity in Syria by secure phone hook-up or travelling officials, raising new questions about whether he manipulated the crisis for political gain.

    As Foreign Minister Bob Carr warned that “everything points” to poison gas being used by the Assad regime against civilians in Damascus last week, the Prime Minister said the timing of a national security briefing in Canberra on Saturday night had been advised by his departmental head.

    Mr Rudd has denied playing up the crisis in Syria at a time when Labor is trailing in the polls and its campaign strategy is under pressure, saying media reports that he had suspended campaigning on Saturday were wrong.

    While Labor did not correct media reports on Saturday that Mr Rudd had “suspended” the campaign to deal with the Syrian issue, he furiously rejected claims he had delayed the briefing to fly to Brisbane on the RAAF VIP jet to film a segment for the ABC’s Kitchen Cabinet cooking show before returning to Canberra.

    The Australian has been told that Mr Rudd did not need to fly from Brisbane to Canberra on Saturday afternoon because the national security briefing could have been conducted by secure telephone hook-up or the officials concerned could have travelled to him. “It could all have been done in Brisbane,” a senior source said.

    It also emerged yesterday that a “picture opportunity” set up for television cameras and showing several ministers and their senior staffers – but with no defence, security or foreign affairs officials in sight – was arranged to convey the gravitas of the situation and the fact that the Prime Minister was in control.

    “The officials would not have wanted to be props in something that was clearly quite political,” the source said.

    The government has indicated the picture opportunity with Mr Rudd and Senator Carr before the full national security briefing was set up in response to pressure from media organisations for material to illustrate their stories.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/kevin-rudds-syria-briefing-could-have-been-by-phone/story-fn9qr68y-1226703809451

  79. twostix

    Excellent.
    Bookmarked and to be implemented as often as possible. Thank you, Obi-Wan Kenobi. 🙂

    “Unusual” is another good trigger word as is a tactic I’ll call “bringing it closer to home”

    So a response to an official in charge of a supposedly non-partisan organisation reluctant to move from the official fringe leftist line is to bring it closer to home with a hypothetical that is also a thinly veiled threat: “Look if I knocked on 100 doors in this community maybe 5 of them would agree with X so I’m not sure what’s happening in this place for such an unusual (lesson|idea|candidate|person) to be (taught|supported|endorsed) but it concerns me and I’m certain it will concern the (mothers |dads | businesses) if they hear about it too”. It’s important to cast the net as narrowly as possible so in their mind they can see the pitch fork wielding mob outside of their office or can hear the phone ringing as patrons withdraw funding.

    Doubly important is to always maintain the facade of the mere ignorant but concerned parent / customer / whatever. “Hey whoa I don’t really know about these complimacated big city politics or nothin but this just doesn’t seem right to me I wonder what the rest of town thinks“. Nothing terrifies leftists or people forced to defend extremist leftist policies more than having everyone that lives around them find out what they are doing.

  80. Tony N

    A little delving out there on the WWW reveals:
    “The first “Unix” system was developed by Ken Thompson in the Bell AT&T laboratories at Murray Hill in New Jersey in the United States from 1965. Ken Thompson’s aim was to develop a simple interactive operating system, called “Multics” (Multiplexed Information and Computing System) in order to run a game which he had created (space travel, a simulation of the solar system).
    A consortium made up of MIT (Massachesetts Institute of Technology), General Electric Co. and Bell Lab was then formed around Multics.
    In April 1969 the AT&T laboratories decided to use the GECOS (General Electric Comprehensive Operating System ) instead of Multics. However, Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie who joined the team needed to make the space travel game work on a smaller machine (a DEC PDP-7, Programmed Data Processor which only had 4K of memory to make user programs run), this is why they recreated the system in order to create a limited version of Multics called UNICS (UNiplexed Information and Computing Service), quickly shortened to Unix.

    The date of 1st January 1970 is considered as the birth date of the UNIX system, which explains why all system clocks for Unix operating systems start from this date. Alongside these activities, D.Ritchie played a large part in the definition of the C language (since he is considered as one of its creators with B.W.Kernighan), so the whole system was entirely rewritten in C in 1973 and called Unix Time-Sharing System (TSS).”

    Now the operating systems which were developed on the PDP-7 were Multics and UNICS. As you can see above the SYSTEM WAS ENTIRELY REWRITTEN IN C. So for you to say that the language we know today as UNIX is the same as that developed on the PDP-7 (UNICS) is a little like saying that you’ve had the same axe for forty years but in that time it’s had three new heads and two new handles. Using your logic you could also say that BASIC is really Fortran because that is what it was developed from. Those who can remember the old shell account days would know that you had to have a working knowledge of UNIX as more often than not the remote server would be running a version of UNIX such as Solaris. When I was using the PDP-11 learning interpreted BASIC, a very long time ago, it was running the RSTS/E OS. So this gets to my original statement that that’s why C was developed and that’s why C and UNIX look very similar albeit one is a language and the other an OS.

  81. Tom

    The pathetic old union gangster is here again desperate to prove that he can use a search engine. Woo hoo. You had your arse handed to you last night. Now you’re creeping around here when everyone is asleep. What a waste of food you are. I say again: shouldn’t you be preparing for your royal commission? Now fuck off, you piece of garbage.

  82. Tom

    The two mad-dog opinion polls — Newspoll and Morgan, which have shown the greatest week-to-week or month-to-month volatility over the past 1-2 years — continue to project a massive 800%+ increase in non-Green protest voter preferences to Labor, which, compared to the 2010 election, massively overstate the ALP’s 2PP. NP projects 47-53 to Labor (with Labor’s primary swinging up from 34% to 37%), while Morgan projects 48.5:51.5 (with Labor’s primary down 2% to 34.5%). NP says the Greens primary vote is unchanged at 9%, but Morgan says it’s up 1.5% to 11%. In 2010, non-Green preferences to the ALP amounted to just 0.37% 2PP. On that basis, NP’s real result is 46.5: 53.5 to Labor and Morgan’s is 46:54 2PP. Watch both pollsters try to save their reputations in the week before September 7 by reverting more and more to actual 2010 preference flows.

  83. Popular Front

    For someone with such a high opinon of himself, and such a low opinion of us lesser mortals, why does Tony keep coming back for more?

    That’s how the union blowhard gets his jollies, throwing patronising and condescending comments at those he considers inferior, which is everybody. You may note that he didn’t answer my challenge yesterday to justify his comments, in reality he’s got nothing but the typical leftist belief that only HE knows what’s best. You probably won’t hear much from bigmouth during the week as Bolt has moderators unlike the weekends.

  84. Popular Front

    The most expat votes came from London, where 16,041 were cast.

    Yep. I voted in London in 1998 and it was fun baiting the socialists outside Aldwych House.

  85. Tom

    The reality was that during Rudd’s aching worry over Syria he somehow found several hours to fly interstate for an appearance on Annabel Crabb’s Kitchen Cabinet. To miss a joke of this size is to miss a total solar eclipse and simultaneous volcanic eruption during the invasion of Normandy.

    Read also: RISOTTO EMERGENCY.

  86. steve of glasshouse

    I think Tony is trolling himself. Much akin to the Irish cat that
    dug a hole to take a shit then buried itself instead after the event.

  87. Lucie

    For JC and Dot (sadly, none of these women could ever hope to be JC’s idea of ‘the best that human genes could produce’ or whatever … Sigh, poor loves)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=96YQdiMV-Jc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D96YQdiMV-Jc

  88. Token

    I think Tony is trolling himself.

    He’s on a very amusing tangent and it seems can’t be stopped. I can’t wait to have the programming texts posted on the Cat.

  89. Blogstrop

    I’m also wondering about Bolt’s gravitas comment. Is there any way Tony could improve on what he just did in terms of sounding sincere? Injecting more gravitas would come across as high-flown waffle. That’s Rudd’s speciality.

    Keating’s huge Unknown Soldier event had gravitas, and his speech that day absolutely oozed it. He had a great speech writer in Don Watson (correct me if wrong). By contrast, Howard approached the 1996 election with sincerity, but hardly as the much more solid and respected figure he grew into during his term in office.

    Whitlam had gravitas, but is now merely a contender for worst PM in living memory.

    I’ll take the homest Aussie guy who is down-to-earth, thanks.

  90. Tom

    It’s time for Sussex Street to step in, override the Little Shit’s advisers and order a full-scale, last-ditch character assassination of Abbott666 using the Queensland 2012 blueprint.

  91. Token

    THE Liberal Party rolled out two of Tony Abbott’s most powerful political weapons yesterday; his accomplished, articulate and attractive daughters Frances and Bridget.

    The tactic of countering a leftard myth is turning into a real strength.

    It will be interesting to see the ugly lengths the left & media will go to humiliate these girls.

  92. .

    Please Tony N, tell us why mung bean munching idiots on Apple hardware using C instead of PERL proves that unions are cute and cuddly, and that Kevin Rudd is the best PM ever – and how this is going to win back WA, SA, QLD, TAS and NSW for the ALP?

    Please inform of us of the advertising strategy. In the TV ads, should we star a goth programmer or ‘comic book guy’ instead of “Whingeing Wendy”?

    Yeah, the ALP certainly have the common touch…LOL.

  93. Blogstrop

    Ah, those were the days! Punched cards feeding into the computer’s maw, stacked Winchester drives whirring away in multi-megabyte storage, reams of A3 printouts piling up on tables to form huge and often quite esoteric inventory reports. The squeaks of texta markers as these reports got their coded titles written on them. Large tape reels doing their whirling dervish dances in airconditioned rooms and glass-fronted cabinets.

    At that time, unions regularly used any public holiday as perfect timing for a strike. Those were the glory days, when class warfare wasn’t just the done thing, it was a core left activity, imbued with the nobility of decades of worker struggle against the oppressive and tight-fisted capitalist overlords.

    Every time Tony pops up here I’m taken back to those halcyon days of the union movement. And it wasn’t just foreign workers who were persona non grata. The oppression of foreign entertainers was a high art in itself. Oh, yes, remind us of past empires, sage Tony.

  94. Lucie

    Agree completely with your last two lines, Blogstrop.

    I think Andrew’s just being like one of those impossible-to-please-completely-all-the-time schoolteachers marking your work. I remember getting 9.5 out of 10, accompanied by heaps of superlative praise, from an English teacher like that and, being the obnoxious little student-perfectionist back then, I asked her why, if what I did was so great, I didn’t get 10/10 (goddammit) – where did that damned elusive 1/2 mark go?! She just gave me a JC death stare and said “I don’t give 10/10.” God, how I hated her then LOL. A bit like the substitute English teacher we had for a few months, who ‘d been tipped off about my best friend being dux and good at everything, praising something of mine with, “It’s almost as good as [friend’s name]’s”. (Curse and damn these people! LOL)…

    …So I think Andrew’s just being like that … PvO does it as well … As I say, probably just a Dutch thing. As the Japanese would say, “no ginger” – can’t be helped 😉

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ882QYzr-M&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQJ882QYzr-M

  95. what planet am I on?

    He’s on a very amusing tangent and it seems can’t be stopped.

    Union Bully. Parasite of the worst order. Pay your subscription to the Union/ALP sewer.
    Tony has obviously lost his mind. Who cares if he knows cobol C C+ whatever.
    Boolean runs from his lips. He is smarter than everyone. Lazy F#@kwit.

  96. nilk, Iron Bogan

    A Coalition government would also step-up opposition to the “boycott, divestment and sanctions” campaign against Israel, withholding taxpayer funds from any organisation that actively backed the movement.

    LOL there should be a nice amount cut from the budget just there.

  97. Blogstrop

    The next challenge Australia faces after this election is twofold, or threefold. One: budgetary recovery, and yes, that should involve a lot of cuts to government spending, particularly in the PS.

    Two: IR has to be dragged back into the 21st century. Please tell me how you get a mandate for this without resorting to shorthand. The mass of rules and regulations can’t be put to the people. It has to be done as vague headings like productivity enhancement, or accords. The public discourse has been poisoned by the fraudulent attacks on the Howard government’s Work Choices, which made it out to be much worse than it really was. That has now been supplanted by Fair Work, which goes back to the dark old days of union power over all sorts of things they shouldn’t be able to interfere with.

    The unions have only one remaining role, which is to prop up a spent force called the ALP. They exist for each other, and neither any longer exist for the workers.

    Third: since the media imbalance ought not to be corrected by means of imposing limits on freedom of speech, it has to be corrected by encouraging more conservative participation in the media, and by routing the coterie which has captured the national broadcaster, or dismantling the entire anachronistic entity. There are too many ill-disposed and downright lying lefties polluting the press and the electronic media. Theynwill be out in force to try and misrepresent everything the next goverment does.

  98. Popular Front

    Damn good idea nilk. Commence cutting funding to all boards and panels and committees who produce nothing but hot air and meaningless White Papers and who benefit none but themselves. Oh and sack them all too.

  99. Blogstrop

    Have I mentioned how awful it is trying to type at any length on an ipad?

  100. Token

    You would think that the money could be better spent on making the lives of their children better…

    A STRUGGLE between Yolngu families over the right to bury inspirational indigenous leader and Yothu Yindi frontman Dr Yunupingu could deteriorate into an ugly court battle pitting traditional Aboriginal lore against conventional non-Aboriginal law.

    The remains of the man who devoted his life to unity between cultures are now at the centre of a feud between Yolngu clans and their non-Aboriginal advisers.

    Entwined with that is a dispute over mining royalties within one divided Yolngu group.

  101. Eddystone

    twostix #972002, posted on August 25, 2013 at 11:51 pm
    The last six years have been a hellish nightmare but one thing we mustn’t do is seek mental relief via magnanimity towards our tormentors post election.

    I absolutely agree. Anytime vague thoughts of sympathy for the Liars Party, or GillKRudd, start to nibble at the edges of my conscious mind, I remind myself of the debt my grandkids will have to pay off, courtesy of those traitors.

  102. Rudiau

    Have I mentioned how awful it is trying to type at any length on an ipad?

    Try one of these.

  103. nilk, Iron Bogan

    When even the Pope thinks Ben Affleck as Batman is a bad idea, perhaps it’s time to rethink.

  104. Lucie

    New find for me … and with such pretty pictures –

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Da2G51QUPKk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DDa2G51QUPKk

    Think I should’ve been born in Texas or something 🙂

  105. You’ll find it hard to believe, I know, but Greens in Germany are attempting to demonise sceptics as fascists; see “Growing German Green Intolerance: Greens/Leftists Carry Out Violent Attacks Against CO2 And Euro Skeptical AfD Party”:

    Bremen, 24 August 2013, 15.30. Today, this afternoon, a campaign event by the party ‘Alternative für Deutschland’ took place at the Bremer Bürgerpark. This event was stormed hit-and-run-style by attackers. Multiple persons were injured. At 3 p.m. the campaign event started on an open air stage. During a speech by the chairperson of the ‘Alternative für Deutschland”, the event was suddenly stormed by 20 – 25 partially masked persons. Eight persons succeeded to get onto the stage. The attackers used pepper spray in the stage area. This led to 16 people being injured. When the police intervened the attackers fled the park. During the pursuit one helper of the ‘Alternative für Deutschland’ was attacked with a knife. He was lightly injured to the hand as he defended himself. All persons who were injured by the pepper spray suffered irritated eyes and respiration. Among the injured were two children aged 7 and 11 and one police officer.

  106. Mr Skeletor

    Newspoll has gone back a point. Time to wake up the panic merchants.

  107. John Comnenus

    That behaviour by the German Greens doesn’t smack of Hitlers Brownsirts at all. No, the innocent victims of violence, peacefully holding unfashionable views are the fascists.

  108. The sanctimonious, smug Greg Barns demonstrates that he is unfit to be a considered a serious commentator:

    #auspol Julie Bishop's juvenile silly 'jokes' about Rudd show why she is unfit to be taken seriously as a foreign minister.— Greg Barns (@BarnsGreg) August 25, 2013

  109. Mike of Marion

    Victoria Cross hero Ben Roberts-Smith named Father of the Year

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/victoria-cross-hero-ben-roberts-smith-named-father-of-the-year/story-fncynjr2-1226703775914#ixzz2d1UT1KR1

    Does this mean George Negus and that other two-bit tramp (forgot her name) from Channel 10’s The Project are able to correctly assess people?

  110. Tony N

    Relax ferals, I’m not back to rain on your parade so you can all stop hyperventilating. Tom’s response at 4:46 am is proof positive that there is no cure for ignorance. Petitio principii is very difficult to counter so I won’t bother trying. Who am I to educate those who resist being educated? I will leave you all to continue reinforcing your group misconceptions. Good morning.

  111. Newspoll has gone back a point. Time to wake up the panic merchants.

    For the last two weeks, every time their ABC reported a poll dip for Krud, it made very sure to remind everybody that the shift to the Libs was “within the polls margin of error”.
    Oddly enough, they have been leaving that little rider out this morning when reporting on the massive shift of support for Krud in Newspoll.

  112. The winery owner, who is fighting to retain in his own right the Senate spot vacated by former Greens leader Bob Brown, said penalty rates were part of a “white Anglo-Saxon cultural” inheritance no longer relevant for many workers.

    IOW anything to pay the little darkies on the plantations less, huh?

  113. Tom

    The amount of debt run up by the human garbage in government will pass $270 billion this week. I assume Abbott will not alter the $300 billion debt ceiling.

  114. Token

    When even the Pope thinks Ben Affleck as Batman is a bad idea, perhaps it’s time to rethink.

    It is no surprise that Hollywood got in the man who imposed a DNC spin on the Iranian hostage crisis to fix up the very naughty super hero franchise which put out anti-big government ideas in the past few movies.

    After the last Batman

  115. Jack Spratt

    There doesn’t seem to be any coverage of the Liebor campaign launch on the ABC website today. They have articles for the LNP and PUP launches, but no ALP. It went straight to the forgettery did it?

  116. Mike of Marion

    Jack Spratt
    #972190, posted on August 26, 2013 at 9:03 am

    next weekend for that mob

  117. Tom

    The old drunk is on a bender now: Mudrock invented the Tea Party. I kid youse not.

  118. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Lucie at 8:01 am:

    “New find for me … and with such pretty pictures –

    Think I should’ve been born in Texas or something”

    Country and Western – aaargggh! Carrara Markets yesterday, a sad city of cheap imported novelties, authentic $5 Dutchy and Cabana designer sun glasses, desperate traders clinging to the very edge of commerce and vacant stalls, was playing that stuff in the background of many of the depressing customer free zones.

    It really does attract a certain milieu, the markets, including the evidently female company deprived fringe bikie flogging belt buckles with thumping big Jack Daniels bourbon badges, who offered as he leered at the summery dressed missus, a very un-white person, “Once you go Jack you never go back- hur, hur, hur!” He said no more after the black eyed penetrating stare.

  119. Lucie

    LOL Mick. Funny thing, you kinda remind of a character from a spaghetti Western 😉

  120. Queensland Labor admitting to stacking the last debate with “swing voters”? Nah, that would never happen.

  121. .

    Deadman,

    I don’t know what it takes but you’ve somehow got to get that in the mainstream press and broadcasters.

    Bolt?

  122. Infidel Tiger

    Bloody hell. Rudd’s gone very fast train crazy.

    It will cost $300 billion and never be completed.

  123. blogstrop

    Young Labor – so young and already corrupt.

  124. .

    Infidel Tiger #972212, posted on August 26, 2013 at 9:48 am
    Bloody hell. Rudd’s gone very fast train crazy.

    It will cost $300 billion and never be completed.

    That’s the spirit. You have passed ALP Cost benefits analysis 101!

  125. blogstrop

    It will cost $300 billion and never be completed.

    Well, yeah, but … Abbott’s PPL, Cuts, ‘n Stuff.

  126. what planet am I on?

    Bloody hell. Rudd’s gone very fast train crazy.

    Plenty of jobs for the members, who are very apprehensive of the future.

  127. .

    How many donkey votes is top billing on a ballot worth?

    Personally, on a large ballot, I’d assume being right in the middle matters more.

  128. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Lucie at 9:40 am:

    LOL Mick. Funny thing, you kinda remind of a character from a spaghetti Western

    Oh no, Lucie – she’s the intimidating one, not me. The

    black eyed penetrating stare

    is Mrs Mick’s weapon, and an effective one too. I’m merely the appreciative audience. 🙂

  129. Septimus

    Marianne Faithfull’s 2008 Easy Come Easy Go 2CD album playing this morning. The voice these days seems redolent of Renee Geyer, but more so. Clearly, Marianne has lived life.

  130. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Listening to Marrianne Faithful these days reminds me of late nights, smokefilled bars and old whisky…..aaahhh, the days of my youth.

  131. dover_beach

    Queensland Labor admitting to stacking the last debate with “swing voters”? Nah, that would never happen.

    Her clothing gave it away. But seriously, these dills do not even hide their duplicity on public platforms like Twitter. Shamelessness or stupidity.

  132. Shamelessness or stupidity.

    Is it really necessary to choose?

  133. Rabz

    LOL – looking forward to the Q&A thread tonight, I’ve just seen the line up. Bloody hilarious.

  134. KRudd goes the full mental:

    Kevin Rudd [email protected] 9m
    Locals are saying Mr Abbott’s $22 billion PPL scheme is unaffordable, unfair and economically reckless – giving 75k to billionaires. KRudd

  135. Re Rudd’s high speed rail wet dream:

    Mr Albanese tweeted this morning: “Releasing High Speed Rail Advisory Group Report today shows a return of $2-10 for every $1 invested on Sydney-Melbourne.”

    Does this mean if the government borrows $300 billion and ‘invests’ it in Sydney- Melbourne high speed rail, we can pay off that borrowing AND also pay off Labor’s $300 million debt? Freakin’ genius!

  136. Mr Skeletor

    Wow, the high speed rail project will be the most important and fantastic INFASTRUCHA project in Australia’s history since the NBN.
    Vote #1 Rudd and Tugglove!

  137. Mr Albanese tweeted … a return of $2-10 for every $1 invested on Sydney-Melbourne.

    The fine print will reveal, I suppose, that these figures will depend on every resident of Australia’s eastern coast travelling between Melbourne and Sydney thrice a week for at least twenty-five years, and paying $1,000 a ticket, each time.

  138. Anthony Albanese says that all continents—“including Europe and Asia”, he helpfully adds—have high-speed rail.
    That is a lie.
    Morocco, Algeria and South Africa are planning to have HSR.
    Argentina had plans to have HSR; Brazil is constructing HSR.

  139. Tom

    Releasing High Speed Rail Advisory Group Report today shows a return of $2-10 for every $1 invested on Sydney-Melbourne.”

    If there’s a 8-point spread in the guesstimate, that means the project could also lose $6 for every $1 invested. The fast train feasibility report in April, with the Greens-inspired gold plating, put the total cost at $114 billion. That means we could actually be up for $684 billion. Unless, of course, Benito Conroy is wedged into the CEO’s chair, in which case we’re shooting for Australia’s first trillion-dollar loss on a public infrastructure project.

  140. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    ” Mr Albanese tweeted … a return of $2-10 for every $1 invested on Sydney-Melbourne.

    The fine print will reveal, I suppose, that these figures will depend on every resident of Australia’s eastern coast travelling between Melbourne and Sydney thrice a week for at least twenty-five years, and paying $1,000 a ticket, each time.”

    They all presuppose 100% occupancy at rack rates, 365 days per year including Easter and Christmas Day. I blame Excel and PowerPoint and ministers who do not know what those words mean.

    Give me the worksheets on that $2.10 return and I’ll eviscerate the projections in 15 minutes.

    I’ve been around long enough to have seen bullet / express / very fast / high speed train proposals connecting everywhere from Esperance to Rockhampton and Macdonaldtown to Erskineville, not one of which goes any further than $1 million or so on consultant fees plus $4 million to lawyers overseeing the consultants to protect and minimise the government’s feasibility analysis expenditure.

    Value for money is adjudged using the office door. If the draft report cannot be slid underneath it is very, very good. If it comes in several volumes which, if stacked, reach halfway to the door knob it is declared profoundly excellent and warrants a ministerial press conference for the handover.

  141. Tracey

    I’m looking forward to seeing what condition Bill Shorten will be in for QandA tonight. He usually looks like he’s been on a week-long bender these days.

  142. Gab

    Isn’t this the same High Speed Rail plan gillard dumped?

  143. Eddystone

    Deadman

    #972207, posted on August 26, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Queensland Labor admitting to stacking the last debate with “swing voters”? Nah, that would never happen.

    And there was that CFMEU guy that someone here recognized.

    Bastards!

  144. As far as I can see from Wikipedia there is just one operational ‘high’ speed rail service in North America. It runs between Boston and Washington DC via NYC at an average speed of 68 mph.

  145. Rabz

    High Speed Rail – you know it doesn’t make sense.

  146. egg_

    Bloody hell. Rudd’s gone very fast train crazy.

    First stop: ‘Bankruptcy’ – all out, all change…

  147. Rabz

    After two decades in politics, both state and federal but always as an independent, Tony Windsor shocked many when he announced his retirement two months ago.

    Verily, this “courageous” announcement was about as shocking as the ALP knifing Gillard.

  148. Gab

    Sportsbet:

    LNP $1.05 Other $9.50

    Sportingbet:

    1.05 to 10.00

    Centrebet:

    1.05 to 10.00

  149. Sportsbet.com.au [email protected] 3m
    One punter has bet $750,000 on the Coalition to win the Federal Election at $1.07! Stands to collect $802,500. Labor out to $9.50 #auspol

    $52,500. Not bad for less than 2 weeks graft.

  150. twostix

    Locals are saying Mr Abbott’s $22 billion PPL scheme is unaffordable, unfair and economically reckless – giving 75k to billionaires. KRudd

    Notice the leftist media machine are saying “millionaires” but Rudd has to say “billionaires”, why? Because he’s married to a multi-millionaire.

    They really are despicable.

  151. calli

    And there was that CFMEU guy that someone here recognized

    That was Carpe. And I can hear the whirr of his memory banks from here as he tries to remember the name and details. You don’t forget these guys in a hurry, much as you would like to.

  152. Sen. Milne tries to win votes from inept freeloaders, who call themselves artists (and who already vote for the Greens, of course). “Young and emerging artists deserve a living wage”, she shrieks! John Howard, the Philistine, ensured that Parliament bought art only from artists who were competent, she whines. “For the Greens, the arts are an intrinsic part of who we are!”

  153. Fleeced

    Can’t believe he’s pulling out the old fast train crap again… I know people like the idea of fast trains, but I don’t think it’s the vote winner NBN was (another boondoggle). And surely, nobody buys the notion that it would have 1000% return? Goodness me, you’d think private investors would be just lining up. Of course, because it’s an “investment” which will make a “profit” (at the appropriate juncture, in the fullness of time), the whole thing can be off-book, and not effect the budget at all!

    I’m surprised he didn’t at least make it a bit more futuristic-sounding by mentioning the hyperloop, though.

  154. Gab

    Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus QC mounted a spirited prosecution of Tony Abbott after the Coalition campaign launch yesterday. Abbott had failed to “come clean” on his cuts, he’d promised the “mathematically impossible”, and so on and so forth.

    It was such a convincing performance, the journos – if there were any – were left speechless. “Are there any questions? (Silence) Thanks very much,” he said. Campaign spokeswoman Penny Wong is back on deck today.

  155. When a young person says to a grandmother, “I want to be an artist”, Sen. Milne doesn’t want that grandparent to say, “You’ve chosen a hard life”—how discouraging!—, but “Wow, that’s fantastic, you gonna do really well!”
    Yep, vote Greens for unrealistic but politically correct reinforcement of idle dreams, at the expense of taxpayers.

  156. H B Bear

    After two decades in politics, both state and federal but always as an independent, Tony Windsor shocked many when he announced his retirement two months ago.

    Australian Story – where you go for an ALPBC tongue bath when no-one wants to here from you. Relax Tony, your place in history is assured.

  157. calli

    Deadman, I flicked your ‘undecided’ voter page over to Bolt. Looks as though Blair’s running it.

  158. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “Sportsbet:

    LNP $1.05 Other $9.50

    Sportingbet:

    1.05 to 10.00

    Centrebet:

    1.05 to 10.00”

    Best odds are Labor 10:1 at Luxbet, 10:1 on LNP at BetFair.

    Brisbane is still close, 13:8 LNP and 5:4 Labor; Forde gone, at 6:1 on LNP, 7:2 Beattie; Moreton close at 7:4 on LNP, 5:4 Labor; Lilley safe-ish, at 7:4 on Shane Wand, LNP 6:4; Griffith safe, 11:4 on Comrade Dear Leader, 11:5 the other bloke.

  159. Leigh Lowe

    After two decades in politics, both state and federal but always as an independent, Tony Windsor shocked many when he announced his retirement two months ago.

    Australian Story – where you go for an ALPBC tongue bath when no-one wants to here from you. Relax Tony, your place in history is assured.

    I thought he was going to be on 4 Corners.
    I wonder if he will trot out his tired old “Tony said he would sell his arse” story?

  160. Leigh Lowe

    Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus QC mounted a spirited prosecution of Tony Abbott after the Coalition campaign launch yesterday. Abbott had failed to “come clean” on his cuts, he’d promised the “mathematically impossible”, and so on and so forth.

    It was such a convincing performance, the journos – if there were any – were left speechless. “Are there any questions? (Silence) Thanks very much,” he said. Campaign spokeswoman Penny Wong is back on deck today.

    Hilarious!
    And to think they had a crack at Clint Eastwood for talking to a chair.
    Dreyfus was talking to a whole roomfull of empty chairs.
    Profound thanks to the cameraman who did a very quick pan of the room as Dreyfus lefty to show the empty chairs.
    Five paws!!

  161. brc

    California voted itself a HSR 5 years ago in a propositon. The project hasn’t dig up a single shovel of dirt yet, but the original estimate of $33 billion has already blown out to $68 billion. So they have doubled the cost without shifting a single clod of dirt yet. They plan to start building it in the central valley for ‘stimulus’ reasons, as if connecting two dusty old towns with low population was somehow a good idea.

    If anyone thinks an Austrlain effort would e any different, well,I’ve got a high speed broadband network to sell you.

    The hyper loop is an interesting idea and worthy at least of a prototype, as the proposed cost is only $11 billion. Fundamentally, trains are a dangerous 19th century technology and make sense only in a world without cars. They are very romantic and a nice way to travel, but it is time to move on.

  162. H B Bear

    I wonder if he will trot out his tired old “Tony said he would sell his arse” story?

    The Old Lezzo is a lot less vocal without Parliamentary privilege. Nothing Windsor has said has stood up to any scrutiny. He should just take his coal millions, two parliamentary pensions and piss off.

  163. pete m

    Leigh, that cameraman must have thought he was in another world when dopey asked for questions.

    On Ch 9 the buzz they said their was 1 lady who had left a tape recorder on the table, but then agreed she was probably a staffer for the Minister making sure quotes were accurate, and not a journo. Then they all loll’d at him asking an empty room for questions.

    Almost as good as Shorten “I support what my PM has said” without knowing what she had said!

  164. Calli, I sent the pic to Bolt, Blair and Devine.

  165. calli

    Calli, I sent the pic to Bolt, Blair and Devine

    I’m now waiting for the furies to hit her facebook page, causing her to withdraw her comments…

  166. twostix

    It just cost me $70 to fly from Newcastle to Brisbane and took 50 minutes.

    Why the fuck do these idiots think anyone would pay more to take a train that is going to take five times longer? How much would the maintenance cost on such a thing cost? How the hell are they going to keep that much track with its critical maintenance schedule maintained in remote areas? What about all the tens (hundreds) of thousands of acres of land they have to resume and lock away? And for what? A more expensive, vastly slower, costlier mode of transportation than already exists?

    To be honest I think this is red meat for ACT voters. Canberrans love the idea of a fast train from Canberra to Sydney – that three hour drive is just too taxing. They expect us all to pay for their private little gold plated trainline of course.

  167. twostix

    The Old Lezzo is a lot less vocal without Parliamentary privilege. Nothing Windsor has said has stood up to any scrutiny. He should just take his coal millions, two parliamentary pensions and piss off.

    I do hope the scope of the Obeid corruption inquiries are widened to the “independents”: one of whom is coincidentally now a coal monied land baron after his stint in NSW state parliament.

  168. John Comnenus

    Dumb question for Albo: If HSR has such a high rate of return, why doesn’t the private sector want to build it?

  169. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “Loyal Gillard says she’s not going to Labor’s launch

    Gillard has been impeccably loyal to Labor, even under a man she has ample reason to despise.”

    Yet again Andrew Bolt distinguishes himself as indistinguishable from the other card carrying members of the Stenographers Guild, contributing enthusiastically to the whitewashing and the history re-write of the other most dishonest Prime Minister we’ve ever seen

  170. Gab

    This latest recycled HSR policy by announcement – Rudd knows he’s not going to win so he’s just making announcements to take the attention away from Abbott,to deflect away from Rudd’s Syrian cooking show fiasco and becuase Abbott said he wants to be known as the infrastructure prime minister.Labor has no intenetion whatsoever to implement this latest version of the HSR.

  171. val majkus

    Gab it’s a bit like that rail link that Gillard rolled out in Keanelly’s presence before the 2010 election

  172. Steve of Glasshouse

    As I’ve commented elsewhere, how high do the fences have to be to keep the roos out?
    The greens whinged about the alaskan pipeline interfering with caribou movements if memory serves.
    We’ll have our our version of a bloody great rabbit fence. That won’t take much to maintain..
    How long before the greens pop in with a requirement to have safe animal crossing / tunnels for every km of the HSR??

  173. Leigh Lowe

    Deadman, I flicked your ‘undecided’ voter page over to Bolt. Looks as though Blair’s running it.

    Indeed Blair is running it
    No surprise that a Liar’s Pardee plant slipped through the net but riddle me this?
    Of 100 “undecided” voters, she was selected to ask one of ten or a dozen questions.
    What are the odds?
    Judging by the fat Union Rustadon who pitched up the rhetorical “Workchoices” question, she wasn’t the only ring-in.
    I smell a fix by someone in SkyNews.

  174. Token

    I listened to the Interview Blair linked to with Michael McClaren and from it you get a real good sense of the clarity of thinking that sits behind the posts on his blog.

    Is there anyone on the left with the same clarity?

  175. Steve of Glasshouse

    Didn’t Kevni look great on the Albo HST presser..sarc.
    Had a smile like a cat’s anus doing reverse peristalsis

  176. Token

    Indeed Blair is running it

    Bolt has it as well. The question should be posed to Gallaxy and Sky about whether they even do quick Social Media checks on the people posing questions?

    Ms Ward would’ve been spotted in a heartbeat.

  177. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “Gab it’s a bit like that rail link that Gillard rolled out in Keanelly’s presence before the 2010 election”

    I remember that announcement with Comrade Bimbo Kenneally, skipping together along Strathfield Station (?) giggling like schoolgirls jigging sports afternoon, showing off how seriously they took decisions about major public expenditure. It was never, ever going to happen and they would both have been better off back in the office doing what ministers are paid to do.

    They both ship me to tears, incidentally. 🙂

  178. Token

    Why the fuck do these idiots think anyone would pay more to take a train that is going to take five times longer?

    It is blessed technology like bird mulching eco-crucifixes and deserts of solar panels.

  179. calli

    Last week Rudd boasted about liaising, or co-0perating with the Reserve Bank to give Australia the low interest rates we are now ‘enjoying’. I am a bit of a numbskull when it comes to how far governments can influence the Reserve Bank (remember interest rate rises before 2007 election) but I thought this was a ‘no go’ area and smacks of political manipulation.

  180. egg_

    To be honest I think this is red meat for ACT voters.

    Milne mentioned HSR in her election launch so KRudd is likely stealing from the Greens’ portfolio as well.

  181. twostix

    How long before the greens pop in with a requirement to have safe animal crossing / tunnels for every km of the HSR??

    What about the NSW north coast Tree Changing hippy scum who will bitterly fight the 100 metre wide corridor that has to be carved through the infinite national parks that exist up that way?

    Such a farce, such an embarrassment yet the “press” let them get away with such utterly absurd “announcements”. What next? A promise to put a man on mars? Perhaps a colony on Titan within 10 years? Why not? Nobody will call them out on it.

  182. Leigh Lowe

    “Loyal Gillard says she’s not going to Labor’s launch
    Gillard has been impeccably loyal to Labor, even under a man she has ample reason to despise.”

    Yet again Andrew Bolt distinguishes himself as indistinguishable from the other card carrying members of the Stenographers Guild, contributing enthusiastically to the whitewashing and the history re-write of the other most dishonest Prime Minister we’ve ever seen

    Gillard impeccably loyal my arse!
    File this under “R” for “Revenge is a dish best served cold”
    She knows he is going to get rolled, so will wait until after the unleashing of vitriol (starting about 7:30 pm on 7th September) to throw her log on the fire.

  183. Gab

    Last week Rudd boasted about liaising, or co-0perating with the Reserve Bank to give Australia the low interest rates we are now ‘enjoying’. I

    Colluding? Pressuring? In any case, the day before (or was it the week before?) the RBA lastest decision, there was an article in the Australian reporting Labor ministers had met with the RBA to “discuss” the next rate cut.

  184. dover_beach

    Look, I love trains too but I’m practical was well. Why not simply design the interior of planes like they are the Orient Express!

  185. egg_

    Tony N
    #972103, posted on August 26, 2013 at 3:51 am

    Your next assignment, should you decide to accept it: compiler -> machine code -> microcode -> micro program network -> logic gates, non?

    Have worked at machine code level on the PDP11; presumably many others here have same – what’s the big deal?
    Whilst Google and wiki may be useful tools, the deeper one wishes to dig one eventually must read industry reference documents/rely upon memory; the hard yakka is in being Tier III support, supporting other professionals’ enquiries.

    Yup stackja Xerox were ahead of their time, as was Commodore.

  186. egg_

    Why not simply design the interior of planes like they are the Orient Express!

    Give the Grunjugend a Zeppelin fleet of Skywhales…

  187. .

    1. Catallaxy is more infuential than macrobusiness or Quiggun. They are duking the stats.
    2. HSR may deliver a better ROI, however, the private sector would be beset with absurd red and green tape.

  188. H B Bear

    Apparently comments won’t be posted if you call The Australian’s opinion writer Mavis. As in, “It looks like Mavis is off her meds again.”

  189. Why not simply design the interior of planes like they are the Orient Express!

    Good thinking, but still inside the box: we need powered walkways, like extended aerodrome escalators, between the big cities. That way, rich folk may, should they wish, travel in sellae, palanquins and sedan chairs or they could even just saunter with the common herd.

  190. Infidel Tiger

    Look, I love trains too but I’m practical was well. Why not simply design the interior of planes like they are the Orient Express!

    I spend most of my waking hours playing Thomas Tank Engine with my son.

    I will only support billions of taxpayers funds being spent if the trains are steam powered and character based.

  191. JC

    egg_
    #972369, posted on August 26, 2013 at 1:48 pm
    Why not simply design the interior of planes like they are the Orient Express!

    Give the Grunjugend a Zeppelin fleet of Skywhales…

    You can have a private jet decked out any which way you want.

    Forget about trains. It’s just leftwing swill.

  192. Septimus

    ‘undecided’ voter

    Note: Gabreille (not Gabrielle) Ward. Googled the correct spelling … lots of references to her … officer of UQ Union by the look of it.

  193. twostix

    Good thinking, but still inside the box: we need powered walkways, like extended aerodrome escalators, between the big cities. That way, rich folk may, should they wish, travel in sellae, palanquins and sedan chairs or they could even just saunter with the common herd.

    “So today we announce that if we are elected we will spend 4 billion dollars on research into teleportation machines. A government advisory group has announced that teleporation machines will have a ROI of 10 bajillion dollars for every dollar we spend. Any questions?”.

  194. Tom

    HSR may deliver a better ROI, however, the private sector would be beset with absurd red and green tape.

    The $20 million study was a sop to the Greens so it used all the Green fruitcake gold-plating like extensive tunnelling which increased the cost by 30-40%. And as you say, apart from cost, the project is unbuildable because the Greenfilth have largely succeeded in preventing anyone from building anything in Australia because of the green tape involved and the Green NIMBYs who would squeal about it going anywhere near their suburbs. They have given themselves no option but to return to the 19th century.

  195. entropy

    What about a marriage of air and rail travel?
    I can see it now: a ten km Magrail able to accelerate a train to ballistic speeds, with a bloody big net to catch the carriages at the other end.

  196. Jack Spratt

    I will only support billions of taxpayers funds being spent if the trains are steam powered and character based.

    And Laurie Oakes is the fat controller.

  197. calli

    I will only support billions of taxpayers funds being spent if the trains are steam powered and character based

    They must have faces on them as well. And if the stationmaster, or the transport minister for that matter, is a little rotund, his title must include the word “fat” – none of this PC rubbish.

  198. entropy

    At the very list it would remove the need for wildlife corridors under the tracks.

  199. If Albo were to give the $52,000,000 he’s promising the HSR authority to me instead, I can safely promise him that I’ll be able to teleport people between the cities by transporter beam within twenty-five years—with as effective a guarantee as he’s promising HSR to the electorate.

  200. Rabz

    “So today we announce that if we are elected we will spend 4 billion dollars on research into teleportation machines. A government advisory group has announced that teleporation machines will have a ROI of 10 bajillion dollars for every dollar we spend. Any questions?”.

    Presstitute: May I lick your boots, please?

  201. Infidel Tiger

    Surely we can combine the trains with the NBN? They can use the same imaginary tunnels that are being dug. We can lure investors with the same imaginary cost benefit analysis. We can claim speeds of one billion kilometres per second. Free connection. Not a drop of copper.

  202. .

    What I have observed from Thomas the Tank engine is the stupidity of the characters accurately reflects the skill and honesty in the modelling of a trillion dollar return on a 114 bn dollar investment.

  203. Gab

    Thomas the Tank Engine enterprise at least turns a profit.

  204. JC

    The high speed rail thing is total bullshit. With these sorts of expenditures it’s worth waiting to see how revolutionary technologies work out like that thing that dude in cal is suggesting. It’s some sort of vacuum tube and a cylinder pushed along electromagnetically. The suggestion is it could go twice the speed of sound.

    It would be best to wait mid century though.

    In the meantime enjoy air travel. What the fuck is wrong with leftwingers are aircraft?

  205. calli

    I will only support the combined NBN/Thomas and Percy High Speed Rail if it has steampunk styling.

  206. Rabz

    The high speed rail thing is total bullshit.

    So why oh why do they keep droning on about it then?

    Oh that’s right – because they’re brain damaged.

  207. Fisky

    News Ltd journalists must put the following question to Bill Shorten and Chris Bowen:

    Do you agree with Kevin Rudd’s recent statement that Labor did not have a mandate for the carbon tax?

    We’ve got to force them to either support Rudd’s statement (and do themselves out of blocking carbon tax repeal in the next parliament) or to undermine Rudd. Which is it?

  208. brc

    What you should have learned from Thomas the Tank engine is that loss making enterprises based on outdated technology should stay in a children’s fiction book.

  209. Matt

    Fundamentally, trains are a dangerous 19th century technology and make sense only in a world without cars. They are very romantic and a nice way to travel, but it is time to move on.

    True. Self driving cars are probably only 2 or 3 model cycles away, and will give us the best of train and car travel. Imagine wafting down the Hume in a 2025 S Class while ranting in the open thread about the third Plibersek ministry. Good times.

  210. Fleeced

    Any money spent on the rail corridor alone (forget running costs) would be better spent on a highway/freeway/tollway… hell, if we’re going to have self-driving cars in the future (and I seriously hope we do), highways dedicated for the exclusive use of those would likely be more profitable than trains.

  211. .

    I think this means I’ve lost all respect for the ALP:

    Good thinking, but still inside the box: we need powered walkways, like extended aerodrome escalators, between the big cities. That way, rich folk may, should they wish, travel in sellae, palanquins and sedan chairs or they could even just saunter with the common herd.

    There will be no tacky walkways under a Government I lead. Nuclear powered hoverchairs with their own protective force field and teleported in air supply and ability to teleport itself, along with floating, slow speed cruising and the ability to fly like a helicopter, plane at hypersonic speeds etc as well as crusing along ala a hovercraft or undersea in the protective force field bubble. We are doing this protect Australians in working families from shark attacks. MR ABBOTT IS PRO SHARK ATTACK AND HE IS A MYSOGYNIST! He will take away your shark netting and won’t pay captain Quint $10k. He doesn’t believe a 40 foot shark could be a female. THERE IS NO PLACE FOR GLASS CEILINGS, NOT EVEN ON A GLASS BOTTOMED BOAT! UNDER WORKCHOICES, HARD WORKING SHARKS WILL LEAP FOR TOURISTS AND THERE WILL BE NO CHUM! It could be YOUR working conditions next! We are suspending our campaign to get an update from the UN on the evolving crisis of Great Whites attacking dolphins. We believe the Great Whites were in contact with Saddam Hussein before his downfall. REMEMBER THE COALition sold wheat to Iraq?

  212. Infidel Tiger

    May I inform Mr Albanese that his usual table is ready at his favorite Thai resaturant and that only 2 high speed rail lines in the world have ever broken even: Tokyo to Osaka and Paris to Lyon.

    Trains are for freight. Cars and planes are for people.

  213. Rabz

    News Ltd journalists must put the following question to Bill Shorten

    Have you stopped abusing migrant women in pie shops?

  214. twostix

    Surely we can combine the trains with the NBN? They can use the same imaginary tunnels that are being dug. We can lure investors with the same imaginary cost benefit analysis. We can claim speeds of one billion kilometres per second. Free connection. Not a drop of copper.

    CD’s full of data can be transported from datacentre to datacentre on the highspeed train instead of across the wire. “Welcome to the new government funded high speed broadband age! Gamers will enjoy our low ping of five hours”.

  215. Cold-Hands

    Julian Assange has gone the full retard… Eyebleach and earplugs advisable.

  216. Fleeced

    Never underestimate the bandwidth of a trainload of optical disks… though the latency would be a bitch!

  217. brc

    It’s some sort of vacuum tube and a cylinder pushed along electromagnetically. The suggestion is it could go twice the speed of sound.

    It’s a round tube on stilts that runs up the middle of the I5, and the inside is held at a partial vacuum by solar/battery units that pump the air out. The internal pods are designed to hold about 20 people and are slung along by stationary electric motors (think of an unwound motor that accelerates on a linear plane instead of spinning a coil). The top speed is subsonic at about 700 mph, but it is still faster than a plane because of the lack of taxiing and faster load/unload. The pods themselves hold a battery for the passenger support but also to spin a turbine to prevent the buildup of pressure in front of the pod by pushing the air to the rear. The pods stay elevated on a cushion of air between the pod and the tube, like an air hockey puck.

    Elon musk developed the proposal because he can see that the HSR will cost a $100 billion and never reach the intended cities.

    Its an ntersting concept and worthwhile burning a bill or so on a proof of concept. When you consider we have burnt $6bill on illegal immigrants developing a genuinely new transport technology seems like a bargain in comparison.

  218. People are still thinking in the old, antic mode of transporting people to cities, under a government I lead, cities will be swiftly transported to people.

  219. brc

    Just google hyper loop for the very understandable proposal document.

  220. .

    Deadman #972411, posted on August 26, 2013 at 2:16 pm
    People are still thinking in the old, antic mode of transporting people to cities, under a government I lead, cities will be swiftly transported to people.

    A chicken in every pot and a title deed to a floating castle made of gold on it’s own gardened monolith in every safe deposit box, replete with Count Dracula as a friendly second banana during your afternoon tea and at croquet!

    The Liberals are simply wreckers who don’t want to build Australia.

  221. Fleeced

    We need a skytube to connect skyrises, dammit… ground level is for common people!

  222. Jack Spratt

    JC
    It’s offensive to lefties that aircraft have a right wing.
    Aircraft are politically incorrect.

  223. .

    I demand the Government build a teleportation system for human waste, I didn’t ask to be born and it is a human right to not suffer the indignity of pissing, shitting, farting and wiping my arse!

  224. entropy

    The thing about that HSR proposal is, that it will be done in 2035.

    In other words, implicit in this commitment is that thenALP has to stay in power, governing like they have for the last six years, for another 22 years!

  225. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From entropy at 1:58 pm:

    “At the very list it would remove the need for wildlife corridors under the tracks.”

    A personal favourite that – they’ve come up from time to time under rail lines, haul roads, conveyer belts and such and I really had to keep a serious face and not ask questions about appropriate (love that word) signage.

    These invented solutions by doe eyed environmental science (read Arts but with picture colouring in classes) graduates remind me of documentaries on lions and hyenas and man eating squirrels in deepest Africa, in which the observing wildlife saving warriors whisper excitedly about Meerkat Mum, Antoinette, chastising babies Sasha, Holly and Arnold as they roll about in the dust. They never name them Bonqueesha, D’Marcus, Shaniqua or Trayvon, eh?

    I keep hoping for a big bearded Dutch farmer to appear on camera clomping through the scrub to blast the flea ridden ferals with his blunderbus, for digging holes in his paddock.

  226. .

    Personally I think trains are a sign of a bourgeoisie and patriarchal, racist society.

  227. What the fuck is wrong with leftwingers and aircraft?

    I think I have the answer. Henceforth all Boeing airliners are to renamed MiGs: MiG-737, MiG-767 etc. and all Airbus airliners are to called Sukhois: Su-320, Su-330 etc.

    Jetstar’s orange star logo could be recast in a nice shade of blood red.

  228. Fleeced

    I demand the Government build a teleportation system for human waste, I didn’t ask to be born and it is a human right to not suffer the indignity of pissing, shitting, farting and wiping my arse!

    I always thought that would be one of the best uses of the transporter… being able to auto-transport waste, and micro-transport required nutrients, etc into the body, so that you only needed to eat and drink for enjoyment, and never go to toilet… for that matter, you wouldn’t need their “sonic showers” either, as dirt and grime could be instantly transported away. The Star Trek universe just failed to see the big picture with that technology.

  229. JC

    Fleeced

    Most of those train lines will end up as really terrific roads for when self driving cars take hold. They are quite valuable pieces of land in the future. Self driving cars will essentially just bulk up on those old rail lines. Seriously who the fuck wants to catch a train or tram when there are self driving cars.

    In fact I could imagine very creative deals where people simply lease smallish city cars and have the use of SUVs for weekend warrior use. In any case cars won’t be that expensive like most manufactured goods.

    Eventually the lev tube will be underground linking cities and even continents, but that’s possibly 100 years away, or if leftwing trolls have their way, 200 years because the fucking morons are spending our scarce capital on worthless projects thereby slowing down economic growth.

    The more you think about it the more reason there is to institute the fisk doctrine. These imbeciles are mentally retarded. Fucking trains…lol.

  230. Rabz

    Trains are the embodiment of the Phallocracy, I tells ya!

  231. JC

    Personally I think trains are a sign of a bourgeoisie and patriarchal, racist society.

    Of course….racist to almost KKK levels.

  232. Fleeced

    Trains are the embodiment of the Phallocracy, I tells ya!

    We should have equal funding for tunnels, obviously.

  233. Rafe

    I don’t want Oakes to be the fat controller.

    Top 200 Influential Economics Blogs – Aug 2013

    The Cat at 111 (new entry).

    Troppo at 110. WTF?

  234. entropy

    Where else did swannie get his ideas (well quipster obviously)

  235. JC

    In other words, implicit in this commitment is that thenALP has to stay in power, governing like they have for the last six years, for another 22 years!

    These dickheads would make the worst parts of Somalia look like 5th ave on the upper Eastside over that time frame. Have them sharing power with the human trash.. The greenslime… And we would be eating kids for protein. Suckling pig would be changed on the menu to suckling kid.

  236. It all proves that the Government hasn’t quite listened to its own NBN propaganda; within twenty-five years no-one will need to travel because 120% of the population will work from home, seeing their bosses or clients on their monitors, having their medicine prescribed online, printing all their technological devices on their 3d printers, and growing all their soylent green hydroponically in the basement, and going on holidays in their surround-sound holo-chamber.

  237. Fleeced

    JC, I live in hope that rail corridors will serve such a useful purpose in the future. Such massive amount of land is wasted on them – they would be awesome for self-driving cars once they’re available, and big enough for multiple lanes

  238. calli

    Personally I think trains are a sign of a bourgeoisie and patriarchal, racist society

    I would prefer a Landau, or a Four In Hand (for wet weather). If a hippie gets in the way, I shall instruct my man to drive on (channelling Robin Askin).

  239. Tom

    It’s offensive to lefties that aircraft have a right wing.
    Aircraft are politically incorrect.

    Politically correct F15 with no right wing.

  240. Fleeced

    Club Troppo still going? That went downhill long ago…

  241. Fleeced

    Nearly at page three of comments… come on, almost there…

  242. Mike of Marion

    Just talking to a civil sub-contractor – all he gets now for using his heavy vehicle on jobs is $95 per hour – 2 years ago it was $200 per hour and fyuel has once again gone up

  243. Mike of Marion

    Governments never make money from railways that carry warm blooded people or animals

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