Senator-elect David Leyonhjelm

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105 Responses to Senator-elect David Leyonhjelm

  1. Mrs Beardsley says:

    I call him David Leyonheart. Let the voice of liberty rung loud and long in our Senate!

  2. james says:

    David Lionheart.

    I have no love for the LDP, but I still consider joining the thing because they actually mean what they say.

  3. James B says:

    If you believe in free markets you should be voting for the LDP. The Liberals are big government phonies, we know this.

  4. Peter Cunningham says:

    Well done David and those stalwarts who struggled and paid handsomely from their own pockets to help make this small step happen. I am confident that David will to the best he can as one bum on one of many seats in what should be an interesting house of review with Clive’s three bums on seats. Refreshing it will be to see the major parties slightly humbled without the ability to stack the Senate and bypass “review” – the very purpose of the Senate. I am sure David will behave sensibly – I hope others behave similarly. PC

  5. HK_Brother says:

    He mentions the Senate…So I had a look at the Senate numbers. PM Abbott really does have the numbers to kill the Carbon and Mining Taxes. The two useless centrepieces of the Gillard/Rudd Govts. As these two useless bits of crap get torn down, I expect the Lefties will scream and harp like spoiled children at a toy store.

    …The LNP has 33 seats in the Senate. They only need 39 to pass things through. LDP, Family First, etc are all in favour of removing those two taxes.

    Effectively, on Sept 7th, the Australia people ripped the power out of the Lefties. (The only Green members still standing are because they relied on deals and preferences. In reality, the Australian people handed their butts to them. See the Australian Electoral Commission’s numbers.)

  6. jumpnmcar says:

    Hopefully Abbotts ” free trade ” deal he’s working on with China isn’t the usual ” We’ll get naked if you remove your hat and socks ” deal.

  7. Jack Diamonn says:

    At long long last rational objective reasoning in the Senate. I think PUPpet will use any leverage it can lay claim to, for Palmer’s personal interests. In the granting of licenses, and inside information on sale of assets at written down book value. I hope the IPA and free media will hold the bully to account.

  8. wreckage says:

    Yeah, I am seriously considering making LDP my senate party of choice. The Libs need a dry influence.

  9. John Mc says:

    Wow, a voice for liberty in the Australian parliament in my lifetime.

    Pinch me, I must be dreaming.

  10. Alfonso says:

    An alternative for the ultra cynical, I love it.
    But Dave…matey…..concealed carry is gonna be, in aviation speak, the ‘loose jesus rivet that lets the wing fold’ and puts you with the NZ MacgilliCuddy Serious party (sp).
    Fix that rubbish or become an easily dismissed joke.

    It’s like you have a perfectly developed Libert party that believes in Alien Abductions as policy.

  11. John Mc says:

    I’m still not sure alien abductions are as weird as a having a Liberal Party that never lowers taxes, protects liberty or reduces the size of government.

  12. Alfonso says:

    You expect too much.
    Tone et al aren’t classical Liberals or even close, it’s like Macca’s, they have a proprietary name for chips ie. “fries”.

    The Libs are CAGWarming believing, big govt, socially conservative welfare statists.

    Hoping that they aren’t won’t change a thing.

  13. James B says:

    Exactly. The Liberal Party has NEVER done anything good for this country. EVER. We need to stop believing it ever will.

    The LDP is the only choice for someone who genuinely believes in small government.

  14. harrys on the boat says:

    Can he do a guest post here, Sinc? Maybe outline what he hopes to achieve in the senate, what influence he thinks he’ll have, etc.

  15. harrys on the boat says:

    He probably says it in the video, but I’m in work and can’t view the clip!

  16. Andrew says:

    It is all well and good for people to attack the Liberal Party for particular policy platforms and I do as well because they are not ideologically pure enough. However, running on a platform of libertarianism does not win elections. People are by and large conservative and you are not going to see a classical liberal government at a time when the welfare state is expanding. People are only going to realise that small government is a good thing when the shit hits the fan. We should simply be pushing for the Liberal Party to not expand the size of government and cut out some of the really bad crap that left wing parties introduce, i.e. the carbon tax.

  17. Token says:

    Andrew, I do hope you don’t take this criticism of the party personally. The LDP in the senate will help the Libs. Think how wobbly the Libs were over the ETS, and how the Nats forced the dries in the be party to stand up for the base & roll Turnbull.

    The LDP can provide similar pressure, but as an alternate that doesn’t indulge the agrigan socialism the country electorates force on the Nats.

  18. Oh come on says:

    um HK_brother, people have been making that calculation for about a month

  19. Andrew says:

    Andrew, I do hope you don’t take this criticism of the party personally. The LDP in the senate will help the Libs. Think how wobbly the Libs were over the ETS, and how the Nats forced the dries in the be party to stand up for the base & roll Turnbull.

    The LDP can provide similar pressure, but as an alternate that doesn’t indulge the agrigan socialism the country electorates force on the Nats.

    Firstly, I am not a LDP supporter. I am against their views on drugs, life issues, guns (yes I know this is unpopular) amongst some other social issues. However, I do agree with their economic platforms and you are right that they will keep the Liberals honest. I hope the LDP along with Bob Day put similar pressure on the Liberals but I don’t want them to push Abbott out because we will then get Turnbull and the ETS.

  20. TerjeP says:

    Alfonso – concealed carry is good policy. I can’t see any circumstance in which the LDP would be selling out on this. If you like pointless gun control laws then you’re no better than Greens that like pointless CO2 control laws.

  21. Lucie says:

    Like Andrew – without knowing the fine detail – I imagine I’d disagree with the LDP on most social issues, but I like the sound of this man and what he has to say on economic issues. Great change from the Greens. Interesting times!

  22. Infidel Tiger says:

    We should simply be pushing for the Liberal Party to not expand the size of government and cut out some of the really bad crap that left wing parties introduce, i.e. the carbon tax.

    Changing the Liberal Party from within is impossible. It’s owned and run by a cabal of inbred spivs who neither value nor care for free markets or freedom.

  23. Token says:

    I know you aren’t Andrew, & I’m not 100% with their social policy. We both agree about Turnbull. I’ve noticed MT hasn’t been tarnished in the wedding expenses kerfuffle. Interesting, eh?

  24. 1735099 says:

    Alfonso – concealed carry is good policy.
    Yeah – and a flock of pigs flew by.
    If you want to live in a country which has 20 times the firearm fatality rate (homicides, suicides and accidental deaths) of ours, go and live in the USA.

  25. Token says:

    Lucie check out the policies online.

    Be aware that a good good amount of their drugs policy is being tested in real life in Colorado & Washington State. As ive said before, wait until the lefties figure out Big Tobacco & Big Parma are the industries with the distribution chains in place to take advantage of the changes in place in those states.

    Law of unintended consequences which Libertarians are less phased by.

  26. Token says:

    Numbers you need a scan to to identify the scale of your brain damage. Have you had one?

  27. Jazza says:

    Token, The Nats were against the ETS,yes, but never forget the 400,000 emails from Liberal members over two days(mine was one )stating that votes would be withdrawn if the Opposition joined in the ETS, that made the lot of them sit bolt upright and caused Abbott’s ascension–that was a very good thing as Turnbull would have had us still under the ALP yoke now and our pockets not just bare but sewn up!

  28. What Liberal Party supporters need to realise is that the desperately need some non-left alternatives in the Senate. Do they realistically expect to get the support of the Greens? If not, then they should be thanking their lucky stars that the LDP (and others) have won.

    The Liberals who complain about (or want to weaken) the LDP have no idea about what is strategically in their long-term interests. If anything, the Liberals should be trying to *help* the LDP and FF to build them up as long-term partners in the Senate.

  29. Lucie says:

    Unintended consequences. Yes, exactly, Token. I’ll have a look.

  30. 1735099 says:

    #1026886, posted on October 7, 2013 at 6:50 pm
    Token’s obsession de jour – brain scans……

  31. Andrew says:

    What Liberal Party supporters need to realise is that the desperately need some non-left alternatives in the Senate. Do they realistically expect to get the support of the Greens? If not, then they should be thanking their lucky stars that the LDP (and others) have won.

    The Liberals who complain about (or want to weaken) the LDP have no idea about what is strategically in their long-term interests. If anything, the Liberals should be trying to *help* the LDP and FF to build them up as long-term partners in the Senate.

    I don’t disagree with you, John. But I think you are missing the point that the politics matters as well and getting elected is also very important. Taking away welfare, removing the minimum wage, etc is not very popular electorally and sadly doling out money is.

  32. candy says:

    I too tend to think the concealed carry policy will gain little traction in Australia.

    Mr Leyonhjelm seems a direct and good communicator for the LDP.
    I wonder will he attempt to make bargains with Mr Abbott in return for support of repealing the carbon and mining taxes, however. Just asking.

  33. Alfonso – concealed carry is good policy.

    Yeah – and a flock of pigs flew by.
    If you want to live in a country which has 20 times the firearm fatality rate (homicides, suicides and accidental deaths) of ours, go and live in the USA.

    Actually, Alfonso is right and Numbers is wrong.
    Unless you are a gang member, shooting it out with other gangs over drug disputes, or live in a heavily Democrat party voting ghetto, you’re pretty safe.

    Moral of the story? Have concealed carry, and vote Republican.

  34. dover_beach says:

    Firstly, I am not a LDP supporter. I am against their views on drugs, life issues, guns (yes I know this is unpopular) amongst some other social issues. However, I do agree with their economic platforms and you are right that they will keep the Liberals honest. I hope the LDP along with Bob Day put similar pressure on the Liberals

    I more or less agree with this, Andrew, and have said so before. And as John Humphreys says above, the LNP will benefit – and so will we – from having the LDP and FF in the Senate. As an aside, I should also think that the LDP, for example, will improve with the experience of being in the Senate too.

  35. Mrs Beardsley says:

    *ring*

  36. JC says:

    What a decent, humble , yet strong individual David L is. What a credit to the libertarian side. Let’s hope people really take notice and raise the numbers in the senate. Humphreys, you would be a shoo in.

  37. JC says:

    As for concealed carry…. I have my doubts. I would never carry a gun, however I wouldn’t stop other people from doing so.

  38. Infidel Tiger says:

    But I think you are missing the point that the politics matters as well and getting elected is also very important. Taking away welfare, removing the minimum wage, etc is not very popular electorally and sadly doling out money is.

    So your advice is for the LDP to be like the LNP – philosophically small government but in reality, politically bloated socialist pigs, indistinguishable from the ALP apart from the fact they have a better class of speech impediment?

    The LDP have got themselves a lovely little niche that can only get bigger the more people hear the gospel.

  39. JC says:

    Changing the Liberal Party from within is impossible. It’s owned and run by a cabal of inbred spivs who neither value nor care for free markets or freedom.

    Maybe over the next several years the LNP may be forced to change from LDP pressure.

  40. Alfonso says:

    Oh yawn……concealed carry is a superb result for me, but not for the bogan halfwit clowns barely able to tie their shoelaces without adult supervision.

    The concept is a joke in Australia, any party that runs with it is a religious organisation doomed to micro niche support.

    That’s all she wrote, end of story.

  41. 1735099 says:

    Moral of the story? Have concealed carry, and vote Republican. and move across the Pacific….

  42. candy says:

    As for concealed carry…. I have my doubts.

    It will never work for Australians, JC. If they push that line they’re in for a spot of trouble, imo.

  43. Moral of the story? Have concealed carry, and vote Republican. and move across the Pacific….

    Or stay in Australia where the risk of stranger-rape is THREE TIMES that of the USA, and the chances of having shit belted out of you in the street is about one million times greater.

    Voting against concealed-carry is a sign of a particularly sick (and stupid) mind.

  44. Infidel Tiger says:

    The great thing about the Senate come July 2014 is that Abbott will be able to repeal or decrease any tax he wishes, but he’ll never be able to get PPL through (the Nats hate it, so do FF and the LDP). It’s also highly unlikely Direct Action will get through.

    All in all a stunning result that can only be made better by scrapping the renewable energy targets.

  45. JC says:

    Here’s my point though about David L’s intentions in the senate. He said he won’t support Abbott’s PPS and he won’t support the Direct Action plan. I’d be elated if David scuttled the LNP’s PPS. However I have few issues with him not supporting Direct Action although I consider it a dog of a plan too, but certainly less expensive and damaging that Liars pudding da pwice on da Carbin.

    Would David scuttle direct action and prevent the repeal of the carbon tax out of a sense of purity or would he be a negotiable on this? What f it were a binary choice?

  46. 1735099 says:

    The concept is a joke in Australia,
    It’s a joke in the USA as well, but a very sad and sick one.
    To absorb the scale of the mayhem, it’s worth trying to guess the death toll of all the wars in American history since the War of Independence began in 1775, and follow that by estimating the number killed by firearms in the US since the day that Robert F. Kennedy was shot in 1968 by a .22 Iver-Johnson handgun, wielded by Sirhan Sirhan. The figures from Congressional Research Service, plus recent statistics from icasualties.org, tell us that from the first casualties in the battle of Lexington to recent operations in Afghanistan, the toll is 1,171,177. By contrast, the number killed by firearms, including suicides, since 1968, according to the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention and the FBI, is 1,384,171.

  47. Token says:

    No Numbers, trying to help 2 old men with serious interpersonal problems.

  48. Only the supremely ignorant believe in gun control.

    We’d better get cars off the road fast, coz they’ve killed one helluva lot more Americans than guns ever have.
    Numbers, when do you plan to start campaigning for the removal of cars from Australia roads?

    Answer fast! Lives are being lost as we speak.

  49. Andrew says:

    So your advice is for the LDP to be like the LNP – philosophically small government but in reality, politically bloated socialist pigs, indistinguishable from the ALP apart from the fact they have a better class of speech impediment?

    The LDP have got themselves a lovely little niche that can only get bigger the more people hear the gospel.

    No, my advice for the LNP is to advocate for classical liberal and conservative values. My point was that it is convenient to bitch about the Liberals’ policies, which I do as well, but it is not politically easy to argue for anything else.

  50. Infidel Tiger says:

    Numbers do you have a wife or some loved ones we can contact to help you?

  51. Alfonso says:

    Oh, and I own 8 rifles & shotguns, a keen and active game hunter and clay bird shooter.

    Concealed carry is a concept beyond ideological stupid in Australia for the LDP stringents.

  52. laterite says:

    Wot about abortion?

  53. jupes says:

    Would David scuttle direct action and prevent the repeal of the carbon tax out of a sense of purity or would he be a negotiable on this? What f it were a binary choice?

    You haven’t been listening to him JC. He will vote for anything that lowers taxes, ergo he will vote to repeal the ‘carbon’ tax. He will not vote for direct action because it is a waste of taxpayer’s money.

    His sense of ‘purity’ as you put it will ensure it.

  54. 1735099 says:

    Answer fast!
    Sure – the rate of road trauma deaths is slowly declining per head of population in both the USA and here.
    On the other hand, the rate of gun fatalities per head of population in the USA is heading in exactly the opposite direction with increases in gun ownership rates.

  55. Andrew says:

    Wot about abortion?

    I think the LDP are pro-choice.

  56. Robert Blair says:

    As for concealed carry…. I have my doubts.

    Terje and Pub Steve are correct – concealed carry is good policy.

    Just because the average Australian voter has been brainwashed otherwise doesn’t make it bad policy. If we roll over for every policy that is perceived to be unpopular, then whats the point of being in a p0litical minority, or being so foolish as to judge policy merits for yourself.

  57. David has repeatedly stated his position on guns… which is the correct libertarian (and conservative) position… and that is to leave gun laws to the state governments with no federal government intervention. Federalists of the world rejoice. It is the media (and commentators) who keep talking about guns. If you listen to David he is talking about tax, immigration, welfare, bicycle helmets, etc.

    Andrew — I agree that the LDP platform will not win 51% and I agree that the Liberals can’t copy it exactly or they would lose. But having the LDP out there arguing for more freedom is unambiguously a good thing for the Liberal Party.

  58. On the other hand, the rate of gun fatalities per head of population in the USA is heading in exactly the opposite direction with increases in gun ownership rates.

    Leave out the gangsters shooting each other in Democrat controlled cities.

    Eg, how are the gun fatality rates in concealed carry areas? How are the rates of stranger-rape, burglary, & random street kickings (ie sorta like Kings Cross) in concealed carry areas?
    On the rise? You reckon?

  59. laterite says:

    Andrew: According to them it is a “victimless crime” WTF? http://ldp.org.au/policies/1166-victimless-crimes

  60. Token says:

    We’d better get cars off the road fast, coz they’ve killed one helluva lot more Americans

    8 people dead in Mexico due to cars. Have you seen the# of people killed by these thi gs annually in Russia?

    If Russians & Mexicans can’t be trusted with cars, how can Australians?

  61. blind freddy says:

    I can predict , Senator elect David Leyonhjelm, being labelled , as a “extreme right winged Tea Party type”, by the left , within days of entering parliament!

  62. JC says:

    The great thing about the Senate come July 2014 is that Abbott will be able to repeal or decrease any tax he wishes, but he’ll never be able to get PPL through (the Nats hate it, so do FF and the LDP). It’s also highly unlikely Direct Action will get through.

    All in all a stunning result that can only be made better by scrapping the renewable energy targets.

    Yea fine, but look further ahead. These are policies he ran with in the election. Let me emphasize that I’m not pushing statism here.

    Let’s say the Senate refuses to pass any of these things. What happens then? Abbott could of course hold out and be looked at as the person who couldn’t deliver on his election promises and gain a sort of lame duck status, or he could go to a DD.

    What happens then. If he wins it most likely would mean the destruction of the small parties in which case the LDP is out. If he loses we have the Liar/ human trash alliance back in power.

    I’m not sure an LDP purity gambit mainly focusing (mine) on the issue of direct action is a good one. In any event Direct Action is capped at 3 billion vs a carbon tax multiples more, so in a sense, LDP support to repeal the dishonest carbon tax and replace it with direct action would fall within David L
    s principle of no new tax hikes.

  63. Infidel Tiger says:

    Andrew: According to them it is a “victimless crime” WTF? http://ldp.org.au/policies/1166-victimless-crimes

    Yes, I do depart from the LDP on abortion and euthanasia.

    But unlike the major parties who both support abortion at least the LDP would not provide taxpayers funds for it.

  64. JC says:

    I can predict , Senator elect David Leyonhjelm, being labelled , as a “extreme right winged Tea Party type”, by the left , within days of entering parliament!

    Who cares. Tubbsie Milne’s party lost 30% of voter support and Liars were trounced.

  65. JC says:

    Yes, I do depart from the LDP on abortion and euthanasia.

    But unlike the major parties who both support abortion at least the LDP would not provide taxpayers funds for it.

    LDP Abortion support is in perfect keeping with the freedom they espouse. Abortion is an appalling act, but criminalizing hooverings will get us back to a form of prohibition. Go hoover a poor kid out but do it with your fucking money.

  66. laterite says:

    JC: Abortion is like an acid test for the libertarians. The slogan of the libs “legal but rare” is something I can live with. What that means, whether they shut down Preterm, remains to be seen. The liberal policies are a set of compromises that most people can live with. Thats what makes a major party.

  67. JC says:

    Laterite

    In terms of signals through incentives the LDP policy is actually more restrictive that Libs policy. The Libs are not going to stop defunding abortions through the taxpayer whereas the LDP would. This would have more demand consequences than the Libs lip service abortions should be legal but rare bullshit, which isn;t a policy it’s a motherhood statement or in this case a anti-motherhood statement statement :-).

  68. JC says:

    oops aren’t going to start defunding….

  69. Peter Whelan says:

    Well spoken David L. In response to #1735099, the USA comprises 50 States, each with vastly different gun laws. Bundling “total gun deaths” together, as you have done, is to distort/manipulate the facts. There are now 40 States with CCW. In each and every one of those States, as those laws were passed and law abiding citizens (many women) were able to carry a sidearm, crimes against a person (including murder) dropped and continue to decline. Those legislatures where guns are banned, or tightly controlled, (i.e. only the police and criminals carry handguns) are the ones with the highest murder rates. During my recent trip to USA, I was pleased to read (NYT, Sept 12th) “Chicago city council reluctantly ends gun registry” and goes on to explain that “Illinois residents are expected to begin applying for concealed carry permits in January”. As David has explained elsewhere, the laws in Australia do not allow a person to carry ANYTHING for personal protection! Not a knife, nor pepper/capsicim spray, nor a pointy stick. No wonder we (women and the vulnerable, especially) have become helpless victims.

  70. laterite says:

    JC: I suspect you are right.

  71. Andrew says:

    JC: Abortion is like an acid test for the libertarians. The slogan of the libs “legal but rare” is something I can live with. What that means, whether they shut down Preterm, remains to be seen. The liberal policies are a set of compromises that most people can live with. Thats what makes a major party.

    I use to feel that way about the Liberals because I could tolerate and compromise on many of their positions and I am pragmatic about what is possible. However, it is becoming harder as they increase the size of government, not even just resisting expansion of government.

  72. JC says:

    I use to feel that way about the Liberals because I could tolerate and compromise on many of their positions and I am pragmatic about what is possible. However, it is becoming harder as they increase the size of government, not even just resisting expansion of government.

    Look, all this stuff is second order in terms of what comes first. “It’s the welfare state stupid”. That’s what has to be dismantled before anything else. It’s the entire foundation of everything we hate. But there’s something that comes even before that. You have to have free and open labor markets even before destroying the welfare state.

    No one in good conscience could begin to think about reducing say employment benefits unless there are free labor markets for a simple reason. Those drawing down benefits from a restricted labor market with the highest levels of minimum wages in the world are impeding those potentially looking for work and therefore deserve the compensation.

    And the Libs have sworn off labor market reform.

  73. dismissive says:

    So …

    No welfare for non-citizens – not even medical. (I would accept some if countries reciprocated)
    Citizenship requirements must also be far harder than they are today.

    Take it further … declare a language – say English for example – as the national language of Australia. Legally all transactions must be done in that language. Think of the savings … all those Centrelink and tax forms in one language. Creating translations for incoming people becomes the responsibility of those who need such.

  74. 1735099 says:

    It’s the entire foundation of everything we hate.
    Hate – the currency of Glibertarians.
    Interesting to see it so clearly and unambiguously stated.

  75. JC says:

    Get back to talking about Vietnam you moron, Captain spuds. If you have nothing to say, fuck off.

  76. 1735099 says:

    Get back to talking about Vietnam you moron, Captain spuds. If you have nothing to say, fuck off.
    Another one for your count Tracey.
    Your hypothesis that only leftists abuse is looking a bit shaky….

  77. jumpnmcar says:

    If guns, abortion and 1800 1735099 are ignored on this thread it has a chance of being very educational.

  78. JC says:

    Your hypothesis that only leftists abuse is looking a bit shaky….

    Your side started the abuse, Captain. Repeating what I’ve said in the past, your side created a musical about Keating’s abuse to celebrate it. The level of abuse heaped on Howard, particularly his appearance was extraordinary. And the references to the Mad Monk was just a sign of things to come.

    My guiding principle is twofold. Reply to the abuse and then escalate. It’s not like like what the Kenyan said in response to dealing with the GOP. “If they bring a knife we bring a gun”. Mine is, “you brought the knife with you hey, I’m going to use the nuclear bomb”.

  79. John Mc says:

    Hate – the currency of Glibertarians.

    You’re the most bitter, angry old f*ck here.

  80. Tel says:

    LDP Abortion support is in perfect keeping with the freedom they espouse.

    P J ORourke explained it very well. Cells don’t become human instantaneously, if you say abortion before three weeks, someone will insist on four weeks, if you say abortion after four weeks, what about five, six, on and on. This is a physical reality, there is no clear cut place where a human appears, political wrangling won’t change this, we will always have this, forever.

    The law needs to protect humans from each other, otherwise it is useless, so at some point the law must protect babies too, we are just deciding where that point is, starting from outlawing contraception, right through to infanticide. The place you draw the line is arbitrary, but for consistency and fairness we have to put that line somewhere, so leaving well enough alone and allowing early abortions without allowing late term abortions (pretty much what we have now) is as good as you can do with the issue.

    I’ll also point out, it isn’t as big an issue as people seem to think. The vast majority of women don’t desire to kill their own offspring. The fact that a small number do is sad, but not going to bring civilisation crashing to an end. I venture to say that Socialism has killed more humans than abortion and contraception together… and in more horrible ways.

  81. Andrew says:

    I’ll also point out, it isn’t as big an issue as people seem to think. The vast majority of women don’t desire to kill their own offspring. The fact that a small number do is sad, but not going to bring civilisation crashing to an end. I venture to say that Socialism has killed more humans than abortion and contraception together… and in more horrible ways.

    Coming from someone who is pro-life, I find it inconceivable that you can be so dismissive of life, especially life that is so innocent.

  82. Empire Strikes Back says:

    You have to have free and open labor markets even before destroying the welfare state.

    Therein lies the rub JC. The next 3 years will be for naught if economic liberty is not expanded.

    The LNP have said FWA is off the agenda, but for some tweaks. Perhaps those tweaks will centre on voluntary independent contracting? This would be politically achievable because people would have choice. Employee or contractor? You choose. I sighted a dataset 3 weeks ago that contained the names of 600 odd people who want to be contractors, but are effectively precluded under FWA.

    This subtle shift would be a game changer.

  83. James B says:

    Concealed carry, and open carry, are both very good things to anyone who has a look at the statistics. Too bad there are so many brainwashed, unthinking sheep around here. Just because your God John Howard banned guns, doesn’t mean you should blindly follow the party line.

    And plus, it’s STATE ISSUE. He hasn’t even talked about this shit. It’s you people getting into a frenzy over one policy which isn’t even a federal government issue.

    The LDP can become like the Greens of the right. Pulling the LNP right, balance of power, etc. All they need is support from Australians who value small government. If those Australians support the big-government Liberal Party, we’re stuffed.

  84. dismissive says:

    If you wish to open up independent contracting the organisation that needs tweaking is the ATO.

  85. wreckage says:

    The law needs to protect humans from each other, otherwise it is useless, so at some point the law must protect babies too, we are just deciding where that point is, starting from outlawing contraception, right through to infanticide.

    Point of order, there is no human present until conception, in any sense; the cells in play aren’t even full human cells.

  86. Just because your God John Howard banned guns

    John Howard is an unwiped arsehole.

  87. 1735099 says:

    Concealed carry, and open carry, are both very good things to anyone who has a look at the statistics.
    Take a look at these statistics and understood what a goose they make of you……………

  88. laterite says:

    JC: “And the Libs have sworn off labor market reform.” Abbott is going to be John Howard II from reading his book, so we should see the end of the evil FWA. But it is interesting what you said about the disincentive of user-pay abortions. What would be the cost of a procedure $1500? I imagine there would be a lot that opt out. Then you have a free market financial incentive for adoptions. How much are they worth – $50,000? The free market could potentially offer a more humane solution.

  89. James B says:

    Citing the Guardian? Wow, there really are a lot of big government apologists here.

    Gun homicide rates by country don’t tell a great story. Correlation isn’t causation. Here’s an actual study, done by two Harvard professors. It was very exhaustive. They know a lot more about it than you or some left-wing journalist with an agenda at the Guardian know about it.

    http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

  90. Ozboy says:

    Leyonhjelm, along with Bob Day, will be stones in the Coalition’s shoe for the entire term of their parliamentary service.

    Excellent.

    In fact, Leyonhjelm’s influence in the Senate may be to hold the government to account in a way that the Opposition cannot: that is, to ensure they remain a truly liberal party. Any temptation by the government to gain votes by populist spending, or to slide into social engineering, nanny-statism or other tax-and-spend tendencies, he will fiercely oppose. He will give encouragement and confidence to the more Libertarian-minded government MHRs and Senators, to pursue policies that reduce the tax burden and increase the Liberty of the individual—much like Ron Paul in the United States Congress. He will be, in fact, the Libertarian conscience of the Senate—something rare in parliaments in a Western world almost completely converted to social democracy.

  91. 1735099 says:

    I’m not quoting the Guardian – I’m quoting the statistics.
    It doesn’t matter who publishes them.
    It’s a simple correlation. All other factors being equal – the more firearms there are in circulation, the more people will be killed by firearms.
    If you’re OK with this, move to a country (the USA) where it is the case.
    Just don’t promote that kind of lunacy in this country.

  92. Token says:

    You’re the most bitter, angry old f*ck here.

    Whether it is a life of abuse with alcohol, prescription drugs or a blow to the head, from what I’ve recently learned Private Latrine has severe brain injuries and refuses to treat them.

    When the details were laid out about the symptoms and actions of such people – all you need to is look at his postings – it is clear we have to baby sit one mentally ill old man.

  93. Token says:

    The vast majority of women don’t desire to kill their own offspring. The fact that a small number do is sad, but not going to bring civilisation crashing to an end.

    Too many want the right to, and they are the noisiest. If the most important actions are to be taken to roll back the nanny state, it is important to choose carefully which fights to pick.

  94. Infidel Tiger says:

    Can Numbers please be banned for thread derailment and abandoning his family?

  95. 1735099 says:

    Fascinating.
    Do tell, Token. What have you “recently learned”.
    One more for your count, Tracey……

  96. Token says:

    Coming from someone who is pro-life, I find it inconceivable that you can be so dismissive of life, especially life that is so innocent.

    Andrew, please don’t fall for the old trick which sees your response to a diabolical problem as the correct one. This is the road to purity.

    Google this blog, read the abortion thread and you’ll see this is a red hot issue here, but one where we understand the vested interests (especially Emily’s List & “alleged” Catholic Bob’s Labor Party) who actively distort the truth for their base ends will go feral to defend their right to kill a child up until the day of birth (and if they survive an abortion attempt).

  97. Token says:

    Sorry IT, as he was drafted a long time ago, he has been given carte blanch rights to destroy every on this blog he chooses in his adolescent fury.

  98. Empire Strikes Back says:

    If you wish to open up independent contracting the organisation that needs tweaking is the ATO.

    True. There is anecdotal evidence of the ATO refusing to issue ABNs. That is a serious issue because they have no legal basis for doing so. The solution to that is for the Treasurer to say “any ATO employee who attempts to obstruct or deny an ABN application will face instant dismissal”.

    The FWC is a different kettle of fish. It is staffed by union lackeys who use the power of the FWA to further their masters’ aims.

  99. James B says:

    “M-m-move to the USA!”

    No. How about you move to Cuba, you communist.

  100. Leigh Lowe says:

    Is that a fact?
    Or did you read it in the Guardian?

  101. Leigh Lowe says:

    Who’s minding the crayon munchers today?

  102. Oh come on says:

    ” I wonder will he attempt to make bargains with Mr Abbott in return for support of repealing the carbon and mining taxes, however. Just asking.”

    Candy, put your thinking cap on. Why would he make bargains? He *wants* to repeal the carbon and mining taxes. He isn’t Meg Lees.

  103. 1735099 says:

    I wonder where the Mexicans down South are keeping all this daylight they’re saving.
    Between their ears, perhaps?

  104. Mrs Beardsley says:

    From when I was a wee bairn I was fascinated with pregnancy. How the egg and sperm combine, the traverse of the ball of cells down the tube to find a good spot to latch on. The first few weeks of cell division. The specialisation of cells, the heartbeat, the growth and the absolutely bestest smell in the world – a new born baby. So perfect. So precious.
    My own mother casually mentioned to me that her doctor had prescribed Thalidomide to her, for morning sickness (yes I am actually that old). She thought about it and being the good sort she is/was (RIP), she just said “Ah, no thanks. I don’t like taking pills.” Wow. So I came within a split second of being impacted by a drug my Mother was told was safe. Because she was anti-pill, and because she just didn’t take “Doctor’s orders.” She was from a time when people did not defer their personal wellbeing to authorities such as doctors.

  105. Billious says:

    Dear Mrs. Beardsley,

    I too am one of those born of a mother said ‘no thank you’ to Thalidomide, dear mum (now gone) did not like the name because of the thallium implication. Might also have been because a girlfriend of hers had managed to get through four husbands, all dying of course, along with the other rats as well.

    So, provided that the LDP stick to their principles and be reasonable on all things other than increased taxes and reduction of liberties, which are foundation planks for the lycraman to walk as he builds a bridge of goodwill and fraternity amongst the cross benches, then things don’t look so bad.

    A solution to the RFL debate is that supported adoption be put on the table same as Mr Lionheart has put paid immigration out there as an alternative policy position to the facile stop the boats BS – because we need as a nation desperately to create the next generation of you young folk so that they can not so much look after us wrinklies, but you guys when you too are old and decrepit which is not that too far away. Which by that time you will have the choice to call it quits as and when you choose to, rather than have your decrepit broken down carcass medically supported in a living hell, just because they can do it.

    Have to stop now my nurse is here to change by colostomy bag and adjust my feeding tube.

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