Monday Forum: December 16, 2013

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  1. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

    Suck on this one, greenfilthers!

    The Mexican Government is ending its 75 year old monopoly on investment in the development of their oil industry. Their production is going to soar, and fast.

    An influx of Mexican oil would contribute to a glut that is expected to lower the price of Brent crude, the benchmark for more than half the world’s crude that has averaged $108.62 a barrel this year, to as low as $88 a barrel in 2017, based on estimates from analysts in a Bloomberg survey. Five of the seven analysts who provided 2017 forecasts said prices would be lower than this year.

    The revolution in shale drilling that boosted U.S. oil output to a 25-year high this month will allow North America to join the ranks of the world’s crude-exporting continents by 2040, Exxon said in its annual global energy forecast on Dec. 12. Europe and the Asia-Pacific region will be the sole crude import markets by that date, the Irving, Texas-based energy producer said.

  2. Infidel Tiger

    MOnty is texting Kouk for more more talking points.

  3. Token

    I don’t know if Walmart meant to sh*t all over the OWS vibe, but the true believers are not happy:

    Sarah @_TheBunny_

    I seriously can’t fucking believe all the Occupy Wall Street posters Walmart is selling. Way to make a mockery of our struggle brah

    Lisbeth Salander @shokufeyesib

    #Occupy Wall st poster sold at #walmart for $42. Fuckkkkk #ows #fail http://mobile.walmart.com/m/phoenix#ip/32626555

  4. stackja

    Liberty Quotes
    “To me, consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects.” — Margaret Thatcher

  5. Andrew

    MOnty is texting Kouk for more more talking points.

    I have met the Kouk before. He certainly knows how to change a position on an issue when it is convenient.

  6. Infidel Tiger

    Walmart selling OWS posters might be the coolest thing ever. That or appointing Tim Wilson to the Human Rights Commission.

  7. The current mining boom started in 2005.

  8. JC

    I have met the Kouk before. He certainly knows how to change a position on an issue when it is convenient.

    He is the Chris Farley of economics.

  9. twostix

    The above at 8:30 is not intended to disparage those like IT who do criticise the right when they get it wrong; it is aimed more at partisan shills like Tokes and Tom.

    Sometimes I wonder if m0nty is shit stirring or if he actually is serious.

  10. Andrew

    The current mining boom started in 2005.

    There you go Monty. The terms of trade were almost never lower under the Labor government than at the peak of the Howard Government. However, the acceleration in the terms of trade did cause inflationary problems for the Howard Government in it’s final 18 months.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/terms-of-trade

  11. Better to graph mining investment growth, Gab.

  12. JC

    The current mining boom started in 2005.

    The terms of trade between 2005 and 2007 averaged 74

    The terms of trade during the liars term of office averaged 95….. 30% better!

    Here monster, create your own charts for both periods.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/terms-of-trade

    And what did we end up with, with a 95 average? $400 billion in debt.

    And what did we end up with 65 average? $65 billion surplus.

    Shoo off monster.

  13. JC

    However, the acceleration in the terms of trade did cause inflationary problems for the Howard Government in it’s final 18 months.

    But they weren’t inflationary problems, Andrew. It was a total miscue by all the developed world governments and central banks where they misjudged a change in relative prices in commodities caused by a demand spike in the the developing world for inflation.

    Like the others, our yield curve went negative.

  14. Andrew

    Monty, your wish is my command.

    Here is the link to mining investment, non-mining investment and total investment in Australia

    http://www.rba.gov.au/speeches/2013/images/sp-ag-100413-graph1.gif

    You are still wrong you turd.

  15. Andrew: looks to me like that mining investment graph started spiking upwards as early as 2002. Nice one.

  16. Andrew

    But they weren’t inflationary problems, Andrew. It was a total miscue by all the developed world governments and central banks where they misjudged a change in relative prices in commodities caused by a demand spike in the the developing world for inflation.

    I understand that monetary policy mitigated those problems but what I meant was that there were pressures on inflation over that period. However, the fact that interest rates were at moderate historical levels going into the GFC helped Australia come out relatively unscathed in comparison to other countries.

  17. Andrew

    Andrew: looks to me like that mining investment graph started spiking upwards as early as 2002. Nice one.

    It was much higher under Labor, that is the bottom line Monty.

  18. Infidel Tiger

    However, the acceleration in the terms of trade did cause inflationary problems for the Howard Government in it’s final 18 months.

    Not long after that Wayne Swan advised Australian families to fix their home loans because interest rates were on the way up. A few months later they were at historical lows. He was as good a reverse indicator as there’s ever been old Swanny.

  19. Armadillo

    Fuck mOnster, you really have copped a flogging tonight. Wham bammed and thank you mam (you little beta male you). It’s like you came here intentionally to give every Cat an early Christmas present.

    Ho Ho Ho indeed.

  20. The line spiked up from trend lines to boom delta in 2002, Andrew. Good get.

  21. .

    You’re insane monty.

    1. Australia is not near the ZIRP. At all.

    I can (and do) earn a positive real return on my term deposits in my superannuation account. Case closed.

    2. You’d tax property investment more…to “help the economy” and “help renters”?

    You’re nucking futs. Residential dwelling construction ALREADY faces tax rates of over and up to 80-85%! Do you seriously think further reducing INELASTIC SUPPLY would lessen rental prices?

  22. Gab

    The line spiked up from trend lines to boom delta in 2002,

    Rubbish.

    Mining investment has been extraordinarily strong; last year, it was equivalent to around 8 per cent of GDP, which is much higher than in any previous mining boom, at least for over a century (Graph 3).

  23. JC

    It was much higher under Labor, that is the bottom line Monty.

    I think his other problem is that he’s dyslexic.

    Monst, do your eyeballs vibrate causing you not to have focus; because if you do, it’s a rare neurological disorder and ought to have it looked at.

  24. .

    m0nty
    #1114672, posted on December 17, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Sinc knew exactly what he was supporting. Hockey owns the changes from the PEFO to the MYEFO. That is how Costello built the system. There is no excuse (from Sinc’s POV) for the Libs blowing out the budget. It is all on Hockey’s head.

    I can’t believe a man with a sense of justice or at least, a biased version of it, can actually be such a suckhole.

    Stop it monty. That won’t fall off, but your face will hurt for ages.

    You’re actually blaming Peter Costello, probably the best finance Minister in Australian history.

    “The debt is the fault of the guy who paid it off”

    You are careening wildly into Homer Paxton territory. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

  25. twostix

    IT, sorry old chap but at some stage we’re going to have to discuss the big sopping pash that m0nty just gave you.

  26. JC

    You are careening wildly into Homer Paxton territory.

    Who needs the Paxton when we have Nutella. At least monst is smarter than Paxton, but that’s just in degrees of retardation.

  27. Leigh Lowe

    Perth Dwarves have gone into hiding. Boof’s very careless with his durries when he’s had a few. And he has had a few.

    Boof is the sort of coach who will say “Get as pissed as you like tonight boys …. But we are going for a run at midday tomorrow. Be there”
    Work hard, play hard.
    No-one will be asked for an essay on the Poms strengths and weaknesses.

  28. Australia is closer to the ZLB than it has ever been. We are only saved from its tender embrace due to Chinese stimulus, which could peter out at any moment, especially with Julie Bishop gaining enemies in Beijing.

    I think I am doing exceedingly well given how much whiskey I have drunk this fine evening.

  29. kelly liddle

    Andrew: looks to me like that mining investment graph started spiking upwards as early as 2002.

    Yes that is when China became an importer instead of exporter of coal roughly. So what is your point? If something quadrupled from then you can say the boom started about 2000 but peaked during your mobs rule.

  30. Andrew

    I think I am doing exceedingly well given how much whiskey I have drunk this fine evening.

    Making excuses for incompetence, what a surprise.

  31. Infidel Tiger

    MOnty I and I have a mutual respect for each other. We both consider each other to be idiots.

    I can’t help but like him.

  32. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    I see earlier on:

    “I too hope that Aliice is OK”

    Why one would be curious about, and long for the contribution presence of a drunk, abusive, bigoted, uneducated but boastful illiterate who drove rational people away to do other things is a mystery to me.

    Giving the obnoxious thing air invites a Fairfax-like result for Catallaxy, or the limited relevance of a Bolt – a quick review of the thread article and dismissal of all the comments because of the toxic pollution.

  33. Infidel Tiger

    We are only saved from its tender embrace due to Chinese stimulus,

    That would be the same stimulus that saved us from the GFC, not the school halls/house fires debacle.

  34. twostix

    If we recall the EDO the “Environmental Defenders Office” – state based legal services – was being used almost 100% as Greenpeace and greenie scums private legal representation. To wage war on state governments, housing developments, and mining on behalf of every ratbag green outfit. Barry O’farrell cut them off as did I believe did Victoria only to have Wayne Swan the dickhead step in and offer to fund them.

    Until today:

    The federal government had announced “without warning” that it would be ending $10 million in funding over four years for its offices across Australia, EDO NSW executive director Jeff Smith said on Tuesday.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/cuts-threaten-environmental-defender/story-fn3dxiwe-1226785327941

    This alone makes Abbott a winner.

  35. IT would be fun to drink with. We would agree on a surprisingly large amount of points.

    I declare Johnny Walker Black to be drinkable. Doble Black even more so.

  36. Infidel Tiger

    Boof is the sort of coach who will say “Get as pissed as you like tonight boys …. But we are going for a run at midday tomorrow. Be there”
    Work hard, play hard.

    Boof might struggle to make it on time himself.

  37. Cold-Hands

    It’s like you came here intentionally to give every Cat an early Christmas present.

    Armadillo, he doesn’t come here for the hunting…

  38. JC

    Australia is closer to the ZLB than it has ever been.

    Ummm no. We have seen lower rates before. And which “rates ” are you fucking talking about, Nutella? Commercial lending rates and demand for security is pretty tight.

    We are only saved from its tender embrace due to Chinese stimulus, which could peter out at any moment, especially with Julie Bishop gaining enemies in Beijing.

    Oh okay, so the Chinese government is going to tell their firms not to buy from Australia because they don’t like Julie Bishop and pay a higher price. No they won’t you moron and even if they did it would not have a long term impact on prices for what they demand because it would simply mean the customers around the world would simply rearrange themselves.

    Shut up as you’re clueless.

    I think I am doing exceedingly well given how much whiskey I have drunk this fine evening.

    You’re worse sober.

  39. .

    m0nty
    #1114868, posted on December 17, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Australia is closer to the ZLB than it has ever been.

    monty you uneducated cretin you may want to check a chart of that. You are talking shit as usual, pal.

  40. Gab

    It’s been a good day, Twostix.

    Tim Wilson appointed as a HRC.
    Sophie Mirabella appointed to clean up the mess at ASC.
    ATO moochers made redundant.
    And now we have the EDO funding gorn.

    Not a bad day’s work. More like these please, Mr Abbott.

  41. WhaleHunt Fun

    The chinese capitalists could not care if you are a friend. Money is their language.
    If capitalists needed to trust or like one another, there would be no drug cartels, at all.

  42. twostix

    IT would be fun to drink with. We would agree on a surprisingly large amount of points.

    Poor IT, to be smeared like this.

  43. Leigh is correct that Labor bequeathed the Libs a good economy, but it is fragile. The problem is that all of Hockey’s options involve pain and broken promises. The structural deficit left by Costello means if they cut spending it means recession. Raising taxes might also mean recession if they don’t target traditional Liberal constituencies. Eitner way they are screwed. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of blokes. 😀

  44. Rafe

    If I was a believer I would pray for Monty, or for his soul anyway.

    A nice little church in Barcelona. Went to an xmas party of architects and one of them told me about it.

  45. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Monty continues to fill a vital role as the pet life size plastic punching doll, with the weighted base that returns it upright after every belting, such as one would find in sideshow alley at the Royal Easter Show or the Ekka:

    http://hereticdhammasangha.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/obama_punching_bag.jpg

    … grinning that village idiot grin, baiting, getting mercilessly caned and, every time, resetting upright to leer right back at the crowd, with his unfashionable green checked shorts annoyingly hiked right up around his belly and his bermuda socks all disheveled, one up and one down.

    Now that is valuable, popular entertainment. 🙂

  46. Gab

    lol monty’s now rambling onto himself like an old drunkard in the darkened corner of a pub.

  47. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Johnny Walker Black to be drinkable

    I wouldn’t use Johnny Walker Black to prevent truck radiators from rusting up. Try a decent single malt sometime.

  48. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    his bermuda socks all disheveled

    Curse you, Mick. I have just sprayed my screen with Glendronach……

  49. JC

    Here fat boy, this is what saved us.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/currency

    An unprecedented 38% drop in the currency in about 3 months.

    August 08 to December 08.

    ———————
    A period in my life that I will never forget for a couple of reasons. The money I lost in stocks I made up in shorting the Aussie.

    I also let go of the biggest potential trade in my life.

    I bought an option put on the Aussie at 85 cents when the Aussie was trading around 95 cents. It was for a $10 million right to put and it cost me 65 lousy points… $65,000. I bought it because I smelt a big fucking rat, but couldn’t quite put my nose around it. I let it go when the currency was around 88 cents thinking that doubling my money on the bet was fabulous after a few months.

    If I had kept it for 3 or 4 months that option play would have been worth around 5 million bucks at the lows as everything would have been in my favor. I still shed a tear on that one.

  50. .

    Leigh is correct that Labor bequeathed the Libs a good economy, but it is fragile.

    They made it fragile.

    They increased spending, taxes, inflationary pressure, regulation and waste.

    The structural deficit left by Costello

    Are you serious you idiot?

    means if they cut spending it means recession

    You’re on crack. Costello had a growing surplus, even as a proportion of GDP. What you are saying isn’t even partisan nonsense, it is literally impossible.

    This chart from Greg Jericho (!) notes how much nonsense you are talking.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-01/jericho-big-5/4660930

    Fiscal policy is a second order issue. The issue is microeconomic – if you spend too much on useless shit, the economy turns belly up.

  51. JC

    And if I had been patient and waited for that trade getting out at the lows I would have parlayed it into stocks. I still shed a tear.

  52. Cool story JC. Good to know how crap you are as a trader.

  53. .

    JC

    Kennedy’s Dad said anyone who reckoned they always got in on the lows and sold at the high was full of shit.

    Don’t sweat it he was comparable to Gina or Clive.

    monty just phoning it in now. Lulz…

  54. Yes Dot, the constant refrain from the right is that the solution to everything macro is reform in micro. Josh Barro covered that yesterday. The problem with that is that micro reform is your solution to everything, regardless of economic circumstance. Your prescription doesn’t change. This is rigid ideology. It can be ignored on that basis.

  55. JC

    Yea I know Dot. I know. But just once, just fucking once is all.

    Just imagine what you could do with 5 million newly minted Dollars and the Dow is trading on the devils number 6666. That’s life changing.

  56. twostix

    The NSW EDO was the left equivalent of the IPA. So Labor gives it hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to wage war on state governments, councils and productive businesses.

    The Liberals have a lot to learn.

  57. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Sophie Mirabella has an excellent personality. Strong and proud and can’t stand fools. She was one lone conservative viewpoint against five lefties on that Q and A and still managed to sock it to them well and truly. A substitute Greenfilth has taken her seat by stealth and guile and lies. Sophie is a great talent. Libs are wise to put her skills to good use.

    Aliice has made some interesting enough debatable points here as well as having periods of flailing around, especially early on in her Cat career; give her a break.

    Congrats on your big win here today, Candy. I knew you had it in you. Told you that years ago (and the others here). People find their feet on the Cat (me included). Now don’t push me over, I’m still a bit wobbly; plus I’ve had a few champagnes as well, so toddling off to bed to read till my eyes cross.

    And Tinta is an angel, and a saint, and can be quite wicked at times with it. She is tough too, like Gab.

  58. .

    The issue is microeconomic – if you spend too much on useless shit, the economy turns belly up.

    monty calls this ideology.

    We call it the sweet embrace of lucidity.

    monty also inadvertadly backs communism, where G = 100% of the economy and the rate of return is a non issue because it is ideological and counter-revolutionary.

  59. .

    Business Insider Australia

    Fucking lawls…

    Keep that rotary dialler cranking, keep on phoning it monty.

  60. JC

    Looksee here, looks like we’re not even close to the highs of the US stock market.

    NEW YORK — Americans aren’t expecting another bang-up year for the stock market, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll.

    Of the people polled, 40 percent think the market will stabilize where it is now by the end of 2014, with 39 percent predicting that it will drop, but not crash. Only 14 percent believe the market will rise and 5 percent think it will crash.

    The Standard & Poor’s 500 index has surged 24.5 percent to 1,775 in 2013, putting it on track for its best year in a decade.

    The rally has been fueled by higher corporate earnings, a slow but steady recovery in the U.S. economy and stimulus from the Federal Reserve.

  61. twostix

    In the US there’s heaps of organisations, even on the right, specifically setup to offer legal representation to take political causes into the court room. Some of them seem to be just itching for a fight in their domain of speciality.

    Here the left have the EDO, what do the right have?

  62. twostix

    It’s been a good day, Twostix.

    Tim Wilson appointed as a HRC.
    Sophie Mirabella appointed to clean up the mess at ASC.
    ATO moochers made redundant.
    And now we have the EDO funding gorn.

    You’re right Gab when put like that it has been a good day. And I bet there’s been lots of days like that over the past three months that have simply been completely crowded out by the lefts incessant whinging and squealing.

  63. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Philippa, I too suffer from an inability to store sporting information in my brain. Enuie takes over, and it is all shoved immediately into the ‘not necessary to know’ shute where the lymphatic system then takes it away. My theory anyway. I have received many tutorials on the finer points of many sports from Da Hairy Irish Ape, even the rules of Hurling and the innings and outs of cricket, but there is no stickability factor for any of it with me. You, on the other hand, have managed to retain detail of at least two sports.

    As I am awarding congratulations freely tonight, congratulations to you on this excellent achievement.
    If there is an drug that can help me to improve even marginally, do let me know.

  64. .

    JC

    My mate had bought BHP ADRs on one of the days of the biggest currency fall and his work IT system screwed up and he couldn’t hedge it – he left the office telling them they had some serious shit on their hands and where I was staying at his was a sleepless night – all three of us from school stayed up and watched the ADR price, currency and hoped the ASX would open so that the loss was minimised.

    It was a small hit overall (not sure when they did some hedging if any at all or when their system got back online) and the firm is still going, he got a better job elsewhere and now is a part owner of his own trading firm.

  65. JC

    Business Insider Australia

    I hate Business Insider, which means I hate the Australian version too.. That scrawny little prick Henry Blodget, is a major shareholder in it.

    They fired CTO because he was unpc.

    Update: Blodget has published a short statement saying Dickinson’s comments “have no place in our company” and reiterating his commitment to diversity.

    Bloget is banned from ever working on Wall Street because of shit he did during the tech boom. Just look at what he says about Dickenson.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/09/10/business-insider-fires-cto-over-offensive-tweets/

    The dick.

    Some of the tweets:

    A man who argues on behalf of feminism is a tragic figure of irony, like a Jewish Nazi.

    so he’s a woman, but he still has Y chromosomes? now who doesn’t understand how biology works?

    IMO if gay activists protest the Olympics in Russia it’s going to get VERY ugly. They think its just a game but Putin knows the real stakes.

    aw, you can’t feed your family on minimum wage? well who told you to start a fucking family when your skills are only worth minimum wage?

  66. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Elizabeth (Lizzie) B. at 11:09 pm :

    “Aliice has made some interesting enough debatable points here as well as having periods of flailing around, especially early on in her Cat career; give her a break.”

    No, Elizabeth and I have said why not. Routinely vile and offensive earns no quarter.

    The obnoxious Bob Ellis probably lets go with something lucid from time to time too but one really needs to scrape that sort off filth off your shoe and swiftly dispose of it for what it really is.

  67. JC

    Dot

    That was perhaps the most stressful time in my life. I literally was too stressed to move from my screen.

    I understood the first drop, I got that, but I thought the CBs would rush in and loosen like crazy, but they didn’t. I made some decent money when they finally started to get it.

  68. Why one would be curious about, and long for the contribution presence of a drunk, abusive, bigoted, uneducated but boastful illiterate who drove rational people away to do other things is a mystery to me.

    Now now. She and I had some nice chats about the vicissitudes of investment property ownership.

    And Bob Ellis has been a source of innocent mirth for me for some time now. I’m extremely grateful to the person who kept referring to him on this blog, except that it was Steve from Brisbane, which seems incongruous, but in the long run makes a lot of sense.

  69. .

    I understood the first drop, I got that, but I thought the CBs would rush in and loosen like crazy, but they didn’t. I made some decent money when they finally started to get it.

    To misquote A Man for All Seasons:

    Your monetary policy is excellent! It coincides exactly with my trading book!

  70. C.L.

    Can somebody explain to me why the media and comedians have decided 15 year-old child Bindi irwin is fair game for mockery and invasive harrassment?

    Is it because her father loved John Howard?

  71. From Bob Ellis – when Lefties collide:

    It is surprising to find, in his sixty-seventh year, David Marr to be an innumerate.

    He said on The Drum yesterday that the 800 million Holden wanted to keep it going till 2023 was ‘too much’ and they should really, truly, go away soon. He said it was too much to pay for the saving of fifty thousand jobs and the security and comfort of two hundred thousand lives, half them young lives.

    The 800 million he abhors the very idea of paying is two and a half lattes per citizen per year. He is a lover of latte I know, but I am sure that he could if pressed afford the loss of two, even three a year. If he cannot, I will send him a cheque for ten dollars twenty each Christmas, the first of these on Monday.

    etc etc etc

  72. C.L.

    Working class heroine – and certified worst national leader in the contemporary history of the Anglophone world – Julia Gillard, back in the news … with Stedman.

    She has bought a Holden because she loves da workers.

    The former Prime Minister, 52, was seen walking her cavoodle, Reuben, with partner Tim Mathieson along Brighton Beach shortly after moving into a $2 million, four-bedroom, bungalow.

    Meanwhile, the newly appointed honorary Professor of Politics at Adelaide University, has also thrown her support behind the automotive industry, buying a new Holden Cruze.

  73. 15 year-old child Bindi irwin

    Poor little brainwashed child. I hope she sues Dick Smith one day.

  74. You, on the other hand, have managed to retain detail of at least two sports.

    It was brainwashing here, too. I was taught early and it sort of imprinted. Summers of TV cricket and winters of Drew Morphett on The Winners every Sunday evening.

  75. .

    Meanwhile, the newly appointed honorary Professor of Politics at Adelaide University, has also thrown her support behind the automotive industry, buying a new Holden Cruze.

    On her Parliamentary and ex PM pension?

    What a peasant.

  76. To be honest, Marr looks surprisingly good shape for his age.

    As for me linking to Ellis: I don’t remember doing that much, and I have long said he routinely writes at his blog as if he onto his second bottle of red.

  77. CL and others here have been desperately waiting to hear of a Gillard/Mathieson break up, so that they could claim it was only political opportunism that kept them together.

    Don’t deny it.

  78. H B Bear

    I wonder how much the former First Mousse Salesman wanted for the photo op before heading back to his Murray River caravan bolt hole?

  79. Infidel Tiger

    Is Gillard carrying a bag of shit in that photo?

    How appropriate.

  80. Gab

    Gee, Steadman looks thrilled to be with her.

  81. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Philippa Martyr at 11:35 pm:

    “And Bob Ellis has been a source of innocent mirth for me for some time now.”

    Philippa – I’ve known his work from the beginning and he was good back then – outstanding – with the written word, like Phillip Adams. Was.

    “Now now. She and I had some nice chats about the vicissitudes of investment property ownership.”

    I do recall that vile piece ranting against agents, tenants, construction costs, contractors who somehow deserved its wild eyed abuse and a laughable sortie into self important expertise in conveyancing. I used be able to do that with my eyes closed – professional training and practice – and its proclamations could not have been more ill informed and wildly incorrect.

    I formed the view it had scraped up a minimum deposit on a flea bitten bed sitter located somewhere obscure and, as they do, that placed it up there with Mirvac Property Trust and Harry Triguboff as a seasoned expert (alongside seasoned surgery nurse, seasoned university lecturer, living and working in about 17 seasoned cities, intimate knowledge of Moroccon fine dining and the best short cuts to bark at the taxi driver in Ulaanbaatar).

    Oh it hooked into Asian slut wives too, with gusto and very deliberately.

    I would see its name, picture insane Germaine and reach for the antiseptic hand wash.

  82. Oh Mick, I understand now, because of Mrs Mick. I wasn’t aware of that.

    I don’t remember discussing conveyancing, but we did talk about planting to fill a hole in a hedge, and I suggested orange jessamine. It’s funny what the human mind retains over time.

  83. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From C.L. at 11:48 pm:

    “Can somebody explain to me why the media and comedians have decided 15 year-old child Bindi irwin is fair game for mockery and invasive harrassment?

    Is it because her father loved John Howard?”

    Now that target is the Australian media doing its best work. They’ve identified fodder there for 40 years to come.

    “The journalists have constructed for themselves a little wooden chapel, which they also call the Temple of Fame, in which they put up and take down portraits all day long and make such a hammering you can’t hear yourself speak.” from Georg C. Lichtenberg (German scientist and other things, c18)

  84. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From C.L. at 11:53 pm:

    “Working class heroine – and certified worst national leader in the contemporary history of the Anglophone world – Julia Gillard, back in the news … with Stedman.”

    Too funny – Our Timmeh must’ve rung looking to bunk up on the lounge for a few nights, after getting the shunt from his current boarding house room, for up and undering in the hallway once too often.

  85. Gab

    poor Stedman, having that harpy home all day now and with that voice of hers. No wonder he looks miserable in that photo.

  86. dover_beach

    CL, I think we have a possible contender to Nigella’s crown: Rachel Khoo. She really is delightful.

  87. johanna

    You couldn’t make this up.

    John Beale, the fantasist and fraudster who ripped off the US Environmental Protection Agency for a fortune over more than a decade (he was a senior employee who claimed to be working for the CIA undercover, hence rarely showed up for work and charged the agency for his expensive travel and hotels) is married to a Dr Nancy Kete. She is the CEO of the leftist Rockefeller Foundation, and also “served on President Obama’s National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling. In her role as Senior Advisor on Corporate Safety and Risk Management, Dr. Kete provided recommendations on unilateral steps the industry should take to improve safety above and beyond what the regulations would require.

    Earlier in her career, Dr. Kete worked for the US Environmental Protection Agency where she led the development of the acid rain control title of the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments, the first and as yet most successful application of market instruments for pollution control. ”

    http://reclaimourrepublic.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/john-c-beale-and-a-nancy-kete-and-a-million-dollar-fraud-scheme/

    The US is being run by criminals.

  88. srr

    From saying NO to the International Greenies, to the appointment of Tim Wilson to speak for our human rights to speak, to –


    European rights court wrong: UK minister

    AAP
    December 18, 2013 5:48AM

    THE reputation of the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) has “fallen dramatically in recent times”, British Justice Secretary Chris Grayling says, as he insisted Britain would not be coerced into rewriting the rules of whole-life sentences.

    … could never it be, that sanity may be contiguous and spreading out from Australia?

  89. srr

    …could it be…. …and could it be that predictive text and auto correct is programmed with Leftard Speak as it’s default?

  90. Blogstrop

    It’s fitting, and no surprise really, that mr. Creepy has a bit of a thing for David Marr – physically.

  91. srr

    Do you think enough Australians outside of Sydney’s Wild West know this is not a bikie gang

    Brothers for Life gang members arrested

    AAP
    December 18, 2013 6:08AM

    NINE ‘Brothers For Life’ gang associates have been arrested in southwestern Sydney, with police seizing drugs, weapons and cash during a series of raids.

    Police executed a number of search warrants in Sydney’s southwest early on Tuesday morning following an investigation by Strike force Longdown and announced the arrests on Wednesday.

    Bankstown Local Area Commander, Superintendent Dave Eardley says the arrests would seriously disrupt the activities of an alleged drug supply operation.

    “We will allege in court that the men arrested today are associates of the ‘Brothers For Life’ gang, and are involved in the supply of illegal drugs in and around Bankstown and other southwestern Sydney suburbs,” Superintendent Eardley said in a statement.

    At a Yagoona property, officers located and seized cocaine, crystal methylamphetamine, cash and steroids.

    At a Villawood property, police arrested a 20-year-old man and seized a shotgun, an ammunition press (allegedly used to make ammunition), MDMA tablets, crystal meth and tear-gas canisters.

    Police also seized cannabis, steroids, cash and electronic equipment from other locations during the operation.

    Three of the men have been refused bail. All will appear in various courts in the new year.

    Strike Force Longdown will continue over the coming months.

    Police will hold a media conference on Wednesday afternoon.

  92. Blogstrop

    Candy wins the internet, while monty displayed Swan-like wrongology at every comment.
    To those new here, never take anything monty says to have a scintilla of truth in it.
    Peak stupid has been reached, while peak oil still seems to be some way off.

  93. srr

    So it’s convicted and about to be sentenced?


    ‘Islam not on trial’ in UK soldier murder

    Jamie Grierson and Margaret Davis
    AAP
    December 18, 2013 5:48AM

    JURORS in the case of two men accused of murdering British soldier Lee Rigby have been told “Islam, one of the world’s great religions, is not on trial”.

    Muslim converts Michael Adebolajo, 29, and Michael Adebowale, 22, are accused of running Fusilier Rigby down with a car and then hacking him to death with a meat cleaver and knives near Woolwich barracks in south east London on May 22.

  94. Blogstrop

    Brothers For Life are a bikie gang that went off script only in one aspect – they prefer cars.
    If the real bikie gangs were still what they used to be – drinking clubs for somewhat anti-social bike riders – there would be no need for so much policing and extreme measures.
    There is no point trying to deny the connections with the drug trade and sundry criminal activities. And spare me the fluffy toys for kids outings as proof of their good hearts.

  95. .

    Mick

    Further to the extent of the deranged one’s ranting

    *Economist with a first and postgrad
    *Graduated in the top ten out of 3000 students – whilst no Australian university at that time had that many commerce students in the faculty (late 1980s-early 1990s).
    *Implied she was also qualified in anthropology, studied after nursing and before commerce
    *Also has taught anthropolgy and financial management
    *Also mentions her teaching but never research…and is permamently employed as an academic in a large Sydney based university…
    *Denied she ever supported Marx whilst all she ever posted about on Pr Qwiiggin’s was Marx
    *Incorrectly described RNS Sydney after she said she worked there
    *Rages on about how CarSales etc rip people off, used car salesmen are honest and orange juice for $4 a bottle is unjust
    *Reckon she met Nigella Lawson when Nigella was a kid
    *Went to England unaccompanied as a teenager to study nursing on a cadetship/enrolment
    *Believes *Abbott is wrong* about abortions becuase she saw Irish girls come to London to have one, then marry a wealthy English boyfriend in high finance from The City.

  96. srr

    I fear we are only at base camp of peak stupid.
    The leftist’s preaching, bullying and writing their lies into law, is base stupid, but soon (as more of the world joyfully gets behind Abbott’s anti-lefty words and actions), throwing virgin children into live volcanoes, won’t be beyond the Gaia worshipping lunatics’ ‘right thing to do’ in defence of their religion.
    They are that morally insane.

  97. srr

    A question posed at PP, about recent sighting’s of TLS & Steadman –

    I do not know what the game is, the word was that Tim had left and she was living in Adelaide with her long term girlfriend and her mother. The first sighting of Tim in ages was at the cricket recently. I wonder if he will hold her hand in court next year.

    Could The Game be, that she needs to ‘prove’ she loves Timmy just like she loves austrayya, and so couldn’t possibly have done all those Nation Destroying things…on purpose…Your Honour…

  98. Rudiau

    They are that morally insane.

    Ann Coulter: ‘Liberalism Is an Aspect of Mental Illness’

    Ann Coulter, author of “Never Trust a Liberal Over 3-Especially a Republican,” explains on Monday night’s “Hannity” that political violence is often a product of liberalism, which she deems “an aspect of mental illness.”

    “Well, as I was the first to say and other people ripped it off – liberalism is an aspect of mental illness. So it is not surprising to the extent any of the political violence or any assassinations are political, it is always, always, always liberals. There has never been a right-wing assassination attempt on a president or a member of Congress. Certainly not a successful one. The last one was Jim Jones. Remember? He had the death cult down in Guyana where they had the grape drink. Well, you know, Rosalynn Carter had appeared with Jim Jones. All these Democratic congressmen had appeared with him. Liberalism is on the spectrum of mental illness.”

  99. Token

    To those new here, never take anything monty says to have a scintilla of truth in it.

    I’m surprised people allow him to set the premise of discussions. That said the article he linked to was a ripper, a desperate rambling sook that conservatives can’t manage economies in recessions.

    I’m surprised noone used Costello’s slapdown of George Megapartisan to respond to that rubbish.

  100. Tom

    You’re right, srr, we haven’t reached peak stupid, but you can see the summit from here:

    A tourist is lucky to be alive after she fell into Melbourne’s Port Phillip Bay while browsing on Facebook, police say.

    The woman was walking along St Kilda pier engrossed in social media, when she walked off the pier into the icy waters of the bay about 11.30pm on Tuesday.

  101. Token

    Further to the extent of the deranged one’s ranting

    She earned the title MAlice through a series of disgraceful rants. I am still surprised people talk kindly of her.

  102. incoherent rambler

    when she walked off the pier into the icy waters

    Cannot be “icy”. It is a) where all tha AGW heat is stored and b) summer.

  103. C.L.

    Trial of Muslim animal who killed Lee Rigby ends with judge having to instruct a jury of Britons that “waging war for [moon god] Allah” is not a defence.

  104. C.L.

    Ann Coulter: ‘Liberalism Is an Aspect of Mental Illness’

    There is no longer any serious question of that.

  105. C.L.

    Brothers For Life are a bikie gang that went off script only in one aspect – they prefer cars. If the real bikie gangs were still what they used to be – drinking clubs for somewhat anti-social bike riders – there would be no need for so much policing and extreme measures. There is no point trying to deny the connections with the drug trade and sundry criminal activities. And spare me the fluffy toys for kids outings as proof of their good hearts.

    In fact, as Gary Johns demonstrated earlier this week, bikies are responsible for very little crime.

  106. srr

    That mental illness is real, and it’s sociopathic.
    Many of the infecting carriers, being high functioning sociopaths, don’t get diagnosed, or recognised as such by those closest to them, and so under the cover of being, ‘nice’, ‘forgiving’, ‘tolerant’ etc. covertly get away with giving aid and comfort to the more malicious, overt, enemies of sanity and justice.

  107. .

    “waging war for [moon god] Allah”

    Why are you running the nonsense of uneducated “Christian” heretics?

    What an ahistorical load of crap. Right out of Chick Tracts.

    You are better than this.

  108. C.L.

    What are you talking about, precious?

    Allah was a moon god.

    Why do you think Muslims worship a meterorite in Mecca every year?

  109. srr

    That a Premier in one State, and an AFL Club(gang?), in another State, can believe they have the right to tell adults who they are not allowed to be friends with, but social workers can and do help children leave the care of loving parents, for not letting them run with thugs…inhuman rights advocates are also mentally ill, at best…but I vote knowingly evil.

  110. It looks as if dissing little brown people is catching.….

  111. boy on a bike

    Trial of Muslim animal who killed Lee Rigby ends with judge having to instruct a jury of Britons that “waging war for [moon god] Allah” is not a defence.

    Rubbish. They should declare them enemy combatants, then find that they were operating out of uniform, and then line them up and shoot them – as per the Geneva Convention.

    Problem solved.

  112. srr

    Can’t think, can’t walk, can’t swim……but…..

    the woman kept hold of her mobile phone throughout the entire ordeal.

  113. .

    numbers every time you accuse normal, well adjusted mainly white nations of racism, I’ll always remind you that you told us all a ridiculous porkie about fast food joints in Australia only hiring brown people on 457 visas to screw down their wages…your story was a complete fabrication.

    You just are bigoted against Americans and this is no better than bigotry against any race, ethnicity or nationality.

    Your imperious thinking, determining how everyone is racist against your standards, falls afoul as you didn’t even consider that the kids working there were children of the Indian Australian owners…or were young Indian Australian entrepreneurs.

    Treating brown people like they are mentally dim – that duck quacks racism.

    You can just fuck right off if you are going to accuse us here and the freest nations in the world of racism.

  114. dot, CL is contradicting the soon to be canonised (and personal favourite Pope of his) John Paul II:

    Continuing our discussion of interreligious dialogue, today we will reflect on dialogue with Muslims, who “together with us adore the one, merciful God” (Lumen gentium, n. 16; cf. CCC, n. 841).

    Other Popes have said the same.

  115. Infidel Tiger

    Further to the extent of the deranged one’s ranting

    She earned the title MAlice through a series of disgraceful rants. I am still surprised people talk kindly of her.

    Give her a break. Her son just died. No perceived slight on anyone here’s part can top that pain she must be going through.

  116. Tom

    “By appointing Mr Wilson, Senator Brandis has sent a strong signal about exactly the kind of blatant political agenda he wishes to pursue as Attorney-General,” Mr Dreyfus said.

    •President
    Professor Gillian Triggs
    Fucktard totalitarian
    •Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Justice Commissioner
    Mr Mick Gooda
    One of only two HRC appointments who isn’t a campaigning leftard
    •Age Discrimination Commissioner
    The Hon Susan Ryan AO
    Liars ex-minister, feminist
    •Children’s Commissioner
    Ms Megan Mitchell
    One of only two HRC members not openly identified with leftard causes — if you don’t count being ex-CEO of ACOSS
    •Disability Discrimination Commissioner
    Mr Graeme Innes AM
    Fucktard, campaigner for gay marriage
    •Race Discrimination Commissioner
    Dr Tim Soutphommasane
    Fucktard howler monkey, former ABC and Fauxfacts big mouth
    •Sex Discrimination Commissioner
    Ms Elizabeth Broderick
    Fucktard, feminist, campaigner for the castration of the Australian Defence Force, UN zombie

    They’re almost as bad as their supporters.

  117. .

    C.L.

    This is my source on the name Allah.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01316a.htm

    Other sources also say the Moon God had a different name.

    I will defer to my betters in this instance.

  118. incoherent rambler

    the woman kept hold of her mobile phone throughout the entire ordeal.

    Because the earphones were playing (on repeat) – “Breath in, breathe out …”

  119. .

    steve from brisbane #1115228, posted on December 18, 2013 at 9:14 am
    dot, CL is

    Not a fraud like you. You’ve made one half salient point in five years of trolling and being a creepy fucker.

  120. Rabz

    They’re almost as bad as their supporters.

    Isn’t twatter just wonderful? Seriously, the unhinged whining, the blatant hypocrisy and the sheer unadulterated and absolutely staggering stupidity on display in that post at Bolt’s almost defies description.

    Keep bleating, lunatics!

  121. Tom

    Woops. Turns out Mick Gooda is also a committed leftard.
    That leaves only one who isn’t. I expect that to be zero by the end of the day when the truth is flushed out.

  122. numbers every time you accuse normal, well adjusted mainly white nations of racism, I’ll always remind you that you told us all a ridiculous porkie about fast food joints in Australia only hiring brown people on 457 visas to screw down their wages…your story was a complete fabrication.
    No it wasn’t – you say it was – you are good at verballing, but otherwise are completely clueless.
    You just are bigoted against Americans and this is no better than bigotry against any race, ethnicity or nationality.
    I have nothing against Americans.
    They’re OK individually, but socially and culturally could learn a great deal from Australians.

    Your imperious thinking, determining how everyone is racist against your standards, falls afoul as you didn’t even consider that the kids working there were children of the Indian Australian owners…or were young Indian Australian entrepreneurs.

    The plot thickens. You must have superpowers – like Wonderwoman perhaps?

    Treating brown people like they are mentally dim – that duck quacks racism.

    Where have I “treated brown people like they are mentally dim”? – do tell…..

    You can just fuck right off if you are going to accuse us here and the freest nations in the world of racism.

    That “freest nation” has 716 per 100000 in prison. That’s the highest in the world on international comparisons. Australia has 130, China has 170.

    Like most of what you post here “freest” is bullshit applied to the USA.

  123. Rudiau

    Apologies if this has been posted previously.
    The Muddle East.

    From Mr K?N Al-Sabah.
    Sir, Iran is backing Assad. Gulf states are against Assad!
    Assad is against Muslim Brotherhood. Muslim Brotherhood and Obama are against General Sisi.
    But Gulf states are pro Sisi! Which means they are against Muslim Brotherhood!
    Iran is pro Hamas, but Hamas is backing Muslim Brotherhood!
    Obama is backing Muslim Brotherhood, yet Hamas is against the US!
    Gulf states are pro US. But Turkey is with Gulf states against Assad; yet Turkey is pro Muslim Brotherhood against General Sisi. And General Sisi is being backed by the Gulf states!

    Welcome to the Middle East and have a nice day.

    “Whilst some may criticise this letter as an oversimplification, it has raised a number of valid points in a succinct and clever manner. The Middle East is a web and it is one that will prove virtually impossible to disentangle.”

    Check the diagram in the post.

  124. tylos

    Sorry to dredge back through the OT, but I am not going to be tarred as a friend of Monty.

    candy
    #1114637, posted on December 17, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    How’s your mate tylos, Monty? He got any more stories about which married newsreader Tony Abbott is f*cking? 🙂 Feel free to share.

    Candy, I obviously failed to make my allusion to Combet clear. The OT was dicussing the fact that Fauxfacts and co will bury Abbot for daring to spend Christmas in France.

    I attempted (poorly it would seem) to make an allusion to the Combet method of avoiding scrutiny when travelling to France… To whit, imagine if Abbott took an ALPBC newsreader he was boning first class to Europe on a junket totalling $76,000 – all charged to the taxpayer.

    The only coverage it would get would be in a local rag in France, right? /sarc.

    Seemed clear in my head, perhaps not on the screen.
    PEBKAU.

  125. C.L.

    … Jesus was a tree.

    If you say so, Dot.

  126. I attempted (poorly it would seem) to make an allusion to the Combet method of avoiding scrutiny when travelling to France

    Ah, I see. That’s alright then.

  127. Liberalism: ‘Ann Coulter Is an Aspect of Mental Illness’

  128. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    as per the Geneva Convention

    BOAB, it’s what all these bush lawyers overlook. If you want the protection of the Geneva Convention, there are certain qualifications you have to fufill. It’s the reason you wear a uniform, or “a fixed distinctive sign, visible at a distance.” – you swear an oath when you enlist, and are commanded by someone who is held accountable for your actions.

    When Northern Ireland began heating up after 1968, some brightspark U.S. Senator demanded of the British Army, that captured I.R.A. members be treated according to the Geneva Convention.

    The British Army, without the trace of a smile pointed out, that, as the I.R.A. had no rights under the Geneva Convention, they could be, quite lawfully, shot out of hand on capture.

  129. C.L.

    LOL.

    Steve the abortion extremist quoting popes again.

    The full quote from Lumen Gentium says Muslims worship one creator (correct) and implies that they merely profess to worship the one true God. But the one True God is a Triune God – which Muslims utterly reject.

    16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.

  130. Token

    Give her a break. Her son just died. No perceived slight on anyone here’s part can top that pain she must be going through.

    I was not aware that was the loss. I will return to not commenting on her and do wish the best for her.

  131. along with us adore the one and merciful God

    A distinct lack of reference to Allah being a moon god, yet a valiant attempt by CL to spin words into something they don’t mean. A bit like Gab and her silly effort to spin the words of that ABC guy into the opposite of their plain meaning.

  132. Token

    The endless march of the left on all fronts to rewrite history & demean the sacrifice of those who selflessly gave their lives never stops:

    Reynolds sneers at “what he called ‘the ongoing carnival of military commemoration’ in the histories supported by… the Australian War Memorial in the lead-up to the centenary of Anzac in 2015”, says historian Windschuttle.

    To his credit, Nelson has managed to stand firm.

    “The Memorial’s official role is to develop a memorial for Australians who have died on, or as a result of, active service,” a spokeswoman said yesterday.

    “The definition does not include internal conflicts between the Indigenous populations and the colonial powers of the day.”

    If a Labor government were still in office, chances are Reynolds would have won the history war

    Bravo Miranda Devine using the media for what it is intended and making this attack by the leftards public.

  133. srr

    I’m not imagining it; the sugary coating is crumbling off the leftist sleepers. Numbing and dumbing their enemies with hypnotic pleasantries worked well enough for a long time, but as more are waking from sweet dreams to see the real world nightmares all around…lines are being drawn, and a side is being chosen, and….

  134. C.L.

    Nothing valiant about it, Steve. The formula ” professing to hold the faith of Abraham” is most pointed, almost rude. Muslims do not worship Yahweh. End of story.

    Now, perhaps you could provide us with some papal statements supporting killing children – which you almost weekly promote and laugh about on this site.

    GO!

  135. Token

    Devine hits the ball out of the park for a second successive delivery. This appointment will not be offset by the sensible appointments we celebrated yesterday as this woman wants to trash the joint:

    ON its 100th day in power the Abbott government shot itself in the foot.

    Appointing avowed leftist Natasha Stott Despoja to a bogus job as Australia’s Global Ambassador for Women and Girls is a betrayal of conservatives on every level.

    It’s stupid, cowardly and ultimately self-defeating.

    Having faded into relative obscurity in Adelaide, Stott Despoja, 44, has already used her platform to highlight the gender imbalance in the Abbott government and her opposition to offshore processing.

    Did anyone tell Scott Morrison? Nope.

    The former Democrats leader is pleasant enough, but she holds all the orthodox leftist-feminist views that have proved so toxic for the nation.

    This is a woman who invited convicted terrorist David Hicks to her Senate retirement party.

    This is a woman who launched a book for Bob Ellis, whose previous book had been pulped because of scurrilous claims about Tony Abbott and Peter Costello’s wife.

    This is a woman who branded John Howard “mean-spirited”, and his policies “callous and unacceptable”. She politicized the abortion debate, and attacked Abbott, when he was Health Minister, on everything from a pregnancy counseling hotline, to human cloning and a republic.

    This is a woman who gave a standing ovation to Julia Gillard during an election campaign event in 2010, as part of an adoring crowd alongside Joan Kirner. That was a couple of months after she wrote a piece for Fairfax criticising Labor … for “joining” the Coalition in a “race to the bottom” on offshore processing.

  136. Token

    Check out how much Natasha Double-Hyphen will be paid for ignoring critical social issues so she can use the platfrom the attack the Coalition from within:

    Exactly how much the Australian taxpayer is paying for its Ambassador for Women and Girls has been difficult to ascertain.

    After two days of inquiries from two reporters, a spokeswoman from the Department of Foreign Affairs divulged that Stott Despoja would be paid a daily rate “according to the Remuneration Tribunal Rates for a Category 3 Chairperson”. That appears to be $698 a day, with $493 a day accommodation and $170 a day for meals within Australia.

    “Tier 1” travel benefits provide first class travel to all those lovely UN meetings in New York.

    No wonder Stott Despoja describes it as her “dream job”.

    Whatever the final total, the government is nuts to spend a cent on feminist posturing that will likely alienate our regional neighbours.

    The Ambassador for Women and Girls is just a trick job that Julia Gillard dreamed up as part of her misogyny capers back in 2011.

  137. Tom

    And, of course, it turns out Megan Mitchell was a highly political appointment to the HRC, sent in by the Lying Slapper to help mop up the mess the Liars created when they destroyed the orderly immigration queue. So Our Megan has become an advocate for illegal immigrants. That means the Human Rights Commission is 100% captured by the left — seven commissioners out of seven — and an instrument of leftist political power and ambition on behalf of the political minority who ran the disastrous government of 2007-2013. The left is now howling that 12.5% of the resources of the taxpayer-funded HRC will now be devoted to addressing the massive worldwide attack on common law rights in the West in the past decade, in which the HRC has been an enthusiastic participant.

  138. .

    C.L. my point was not to be glib.

    ————————————————–

    Numbers still thinks the US, despite its flaws, isn’t a free nation.

    Numbers pal your story about racism got smashed. Just how does Newman being a tit about bikies or the US being purtiannical about drug laws give you any credence calling us, the US or Australia “racist”?

    You’re unhinged.

  139. .

    Come on C.L. oneness Christians, Jews, Jehovahs, Unitarians and Muslims – along with mainline Chrtistians all profess to worhsip the one true God.

    There is no need to associate with heretical Christians and ahistorical nonsense to discredit fanatical Muslims.

    They do that well themselves.

  140. Infidel Tiger

    Why aren’t the Vic Police shooting those East-West Link protestors? At the very least they should be maiming them with baton charges.

  141. Token

    Numbers still thinks the US, despite its flaws, isn’t a free nation.

    Numbers should be ignored. He is a vile man who uses this blog to dump his bile & bigotry.

  142. C.L.

    Dot, Muslims don’t worship Yahweh.

    Incidentally, your line about Christians being ‘heretics’ is also used by Al Qaeda theologists.

  143. Gab

    Ben Packham is thrilled:

    Welcome back to journalism Laura Chalmers (nee Anderson), who’s proven the transition back from a political office need not be long and traumatic. The former Advertiser reporter who worked for Penny Wong and Julia Gillard started at the Courier Mail this week. We understand she’ll be reporting on social affairs. Chalmers is married to rising Labor star Jim Chalmers, the member for Rankin and former chief of staff to Wayne Swan.

    Another “journalist” married to the mob.

  144. .

    Um C.L. I mean heretics like Jack Chick or oneness Christians.

    You might be right now but there is no need to cough up ahistorical crap like before.

  145. Token

    Another “journalist” married to the mob.

    The labelling / advertising laws should require people like this to announce their vested interests on every article they write.

  146. dover_beach

    Come on C.L. oneness Christians, Jews, Jehovahs, Unitarians and Muslims – along with mainline Chrtistians all profess to worhsip the one true God.

    There is no need to associate with heretical Christians

    Non-Trinitarian views are heretical, dot.

  147. Gab

    After six years of Labor blaming Howard for Labor’s profligate ways…

    Laura Tingle in the afr: The truth is the whole “it is all Labor’s fault” thing has just gone on too long.

  148. Token

    Good to know the ABC & BBC acted to ensure this man could have a “fair trial”:

    Defence lawyer David Gottlieb said the false impression had been given that innocent members of the public were vulnerable when in fact Drummer Rigby’s camouflage backpack and demeanour made him a clear military target.

    Mr Gottlieb also told the jury that Adebolajo had been demonised by the media and politicians who played on issues including ethnicity and Islam in the aftermath of the attack and clouded the truth.

  149. C.L.

    Um C.L. I mean heretics like Jack Chick or oneness Christians.

    Never heard of them.

  150. Token

    Laura Tingle in the afr: The truth is the whole “it is all Labor’s fault” thing has just gone on too long.

    Humourless Labor partisan Kudelka has been working this meme for a couple of weeks.

  151. .

    Non-Trinitarian views are heretical, dot.

    Which I just said above.

  152. dover_beach

    Which I just said above.

    Then the statement I quoted of yours made no sense.

  153. C.L.

    As John Paul pointed out in Redemptoris Missio, Christ’s true Church is the only Way.

    I recently wrote to the bishops of Asia: “Although the Church gladly acknowledges whatever is true and holy in the religious traditions of Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam as a reflection of that truth which enlightens all people, this does not lessen her duty and resolve to proclaim without fail Jesus Christ who is ‘the way, and the truth and the life.’…The fact that the followers of other religions can receive God’s grace and be saved by Christ apart from the ordinary means which he has established does not thereby cancel the call to faith and baptism which God wills for all people.”100 Indeed Christ himself “while expressly insisting on the need for faith and baptism, at the same time confirmed the need for the Church, into which people enter through Baptism as through a door.” 101 Dialogue should be conducted and implemented with the conviction that the Church is the ordinary means of salvation and that she alone possesses the fullness of the means of salvation.

  154. Tom

    The High Court has upheld a union challenge to the New South Wales Government’s electoral donation laws.

    The laws were passed in February last year, banning unions and corporations from making donations to political parties for election campaigns.

    Unions NSW launched a challenge to the laws, arguing that donations are a form of political freedom and that a ban is unconstitutional.

    The union challenge was supported by five unions, while the NSW Government was backed by all coalition state governments and the Commonwealth.

    In a unanimous decision, the High Court has found that the laws are invalid because they burden the implied freedom of communication on governmental and political matters, contrary to the Commonwealth constitution.

  155. Token

    Ok, with this deal Snowden has announced to the world he is not a “whistleblower”, rather a Traitor who willingly commits Treason:

    US intelligence leakier Edward Snowden has offered to help Brazil defeat US spying but only if he gets permanent political asylum

  156. nic

    I was chuckling to myself reading this comment of umbrage at the SMH:

    The IPA is a right wing ideological branch of the Liberal Party that has disturbing ideas on smoking, industrial relations, the economy, Aboriginal affairs, society, public broadcasting and climate change

    So?

  157. Token

    In a unanimous decision, the High Court has found that the laws are invalid because they burden the implied freedom of communication on governmental and political matters, contrary to the Commonwealth constitution.

    Dot, can you spare some time from trying to change CL’s mind to provide some guidance on whether this is a decision which looks bad but may expand the definition of free speech?

  158. nic

    Dover, Rachel Khoo is a sort.

  159. nic

    Mr Gottlieb also told the jury that Adebolajo had been demonised by the media and politicians who played on issues including ethnicity and Islam in the aftermath of the attack and clouded the truth.

    It would be ironic if Mr. Gottlieb was Jewish.

  160. Gab

    And, of course, it turns out Megan Mitchell was a highly political appointment to the HRC, sent in by the Lying Slapper to help mop up the mess the Liars created when they destroyed the orderly immigration queue. So Our Megan has become an advocate for illegal immigrants. That means the Human Rights Commission is 100% captured by the left — seven commissioners out of seven — and an instrument of leftist political power and ambition on behalf of the political minority who ran the disastrous government of 2007-2013.

    And the leftards went into meltdown yesterday becuase one – one – person who is not of the left got appointed as commissioner. Only one person in the HRC is actually there to fight for free speech – something the HRC is against – and he was labelled a “Nazi”.

  161. .

    Dover you are really trolling now. The following is obvious but you want me to state it explicitly, yet C.L. calls me precious. Whatever.

    ————————–
    Clearly a heap of disparate groups profess to worship the “one true God”, and each considers a lot of the others if not all to be heretical to some extent and quite often, entirely heretical.

    There is no need to associate with the truly unhinged heretics of one group in that lot to discredit another like it. They each discredit themselves well enough on their own.

    —————————————-

    C.L. was unwittingly spouting the views of some of the worst heretical Christian groups. None of what he said backs up his original jibe about a “Moon God”, which is ahistorical nonsense, much like the writings of Alexander Hislop.

    Nor can you backwards justify it by quoting how great Christianity or the universal church is.

  162. Token

    And the leftards went into meltdown yesterday becuase one – one – person who is not of the left got appointed as commissioner.

    The left has been trained through years of brutalisation and bullying to mobilise to whatever the leftard borg tell them to think.

    I am listening to Paul Murray Live from last night and sure enough the Liars Party troll is spouting verbatum the crap M0nty posted last night.

    By contrast we have people “trying to be fair” in response to a movement which is devoted to squandering and destroying. Sure enough, well intentioned words by those who should know better get used by the same warriors of the left.

  163. srr

    As O was sayng…..

    is pleasant enough, but she holds all the orthodox leftist-feminist views that have proved so toxic for the nation.

  164. val majkus

    implied freedom of communication on governmental and political matters,

    so ‘freedom of communication’ and donations for political purposes are now inextricably linked

  165. Tom

    Why would this be on the ABC news website? Oh yeah, it’s run by Greenfilth sugar daddy Graeme Wood, who owns the Greens and a couple of their Australian propaganda websites, including the Guardian, which the ABC uses its megaphone to barrack for:

    Shares in the online travel service Wotif.com have plunged by more than 30 per cent after it announced a profit forecast downgrade for the first half of this financial year.

  166. srr

    The Left are not simply, brutally trained, they are quite literally HYPNOTIZED, to shut off all key counter points from entering their conscience mind. Ever had anything to do with those ‘nice’ doctors who also support ‘alternative medicine’ like Raki, Touch for Health, DEEP Tissue massage, etc.?

  167. Token

    so ‘freedom of communication’ and donations for political purposes are now inextricably linked

    If this is a constitutionally protected ‘freedom of communication’, how can any parliament be allowed to put any limits on this right?

  168. Rabz

    Great – I’ve already had two ‘discussions’ today with work colleagues about Senor Wilson’s appointment to the ALPHRC.

    Much bemusement when I stated my position on the subject was this:

    Shut. It. Down.

    Fire. Them. All.

  169. Rabz, I am still with you. This is NOT the long march through the institutions. We should be outside them, not inside.

  170. srr

    “SKIN FOR SKIN”. Job was greatly blessed in faith, and even he got pushed to the edge, under enough physical suffering and fear for his mortal life. How much harder for those who don’t know there is so much more and better on offer, to not relent and do a deal with the devil, in which he (falsely), promises they won’t die like forgotten oldies in a home, and butchered babies in the womb.

  171. Token

    Rabz, I am still with you. This is NOT the long march through the institutions. We should be outside them, not inside.

    That is the only realistic plans. Wilson will be facing trench warfare from within from the staff and he’ll be as effective as the people Howard appointed to the ABC board until the day the harassment, bullying, etc charges are submitted and he has to go on leave without pay.

  172. nic

    Rabz, I am still with you. This is NOT the long march through the institutions. We should be outside them, not inside.

    True, but the squeals are fun 🙂 Imagine what will happen when Bolta gets appointed to Chair the ABC?

  173. stackja

    nic
    #1114179, posted on December 17, 2013 at 3:15 pm
    Stack, just reading the SMH, interesting a neighbour was quoted as saying she didn’t think the dad worked. Wonder where income came from?

    Strathfield shooting victim Joe Antoun had lengthy criminal history

  174. nic

    Yes Stack, I saw that. Quite a surprise eh?

  175. Gab

    Wilson has been handed a poisoned chalice and he knows it and accepts it. I wish him Godspeed.

  176. Token

    Wilson has been handed a poisoned chalice and he knows it and accepts it. I wish him Godspeed.

    The “job for the boys” tag has enabled the left to deligitimise the appointment.

    While morons like Paul Murray have facilitated that attack, it is only Andrew Bolt (who is supposed to be going on a Christmas Break) & Miranda Devine who has stood up for Wilson against those attacks.

  177. Gab

    That’s a very heartening story, Rafe.

    “Children are waking up to this hoax. I know of at least 50 kids in year 9 that realise this. I coach an under 15 rugby team and all 20 of them don’t believe in AGW, plus his large group of friends that attend different high schools in the area. Sustainable Development has overtaken AGW. AGW is still pushed in the classroom but SD is across every subject.’

    “…They [the boys] question everything they being taught and who’s the messenger. They know the truth about AGW, Sustainable Development, UNESCO,OECD, over population, open borders, media, communism, politics, the list goes on. One his mates sent the 10min video ”Agenda 21 for Dummies” reply all on the schools email, even the teachers received the link.”

    Best news in ages.

  178. Gab

    The “job for the boys” tag has enabled the left to deligitimise the appointment.

    I listed 36 of Labor’s “jobs for the boys” yesterday.

    The left are illegitimate, hypocrites and mentally unstable.

  179. Token

    Children are waking up to this hoax.

    Yes, opposing the AGW group think is the way teenagers rebel against “The Man” in the 2010’s.

  180. C.L.

    C.L. was unwittingly spouting the views of some of the worst heretical Christian groups.

    Dot, will you stop using the word heretics like some sort of wedge? Lame.

    It’s particularly absurd when you’re trying to defend Islam – which is both heretical and heathen. But no, Muslims don’t worship Yahweh. Every year, they worship a meterorite.

  181. twostix

    Does everyone note how Liberal governments have to operate? Julia Gillard’s government (never elected) stacked, absolutely stacked every nook and cranny of the bureaucracy with either Labor advisers, staffers, criminal union thugs or rabid, far left street preachers.

    Nobody said boo.

    The Abbott Government (40 seat majority) felt they had to buy a single appointment. What was the cost? Tim Wilson was purchased at the cost of Natasha Stott-whatever.

    They should stop this nonsense.

  182. Infidel Tiger

    Just a reminder folks, the IPA is having its Christmas Appeal. Give the gift of freedom this year to someone you can’t stand.

    Giving never felt so good.

  183. C.L.

    Brandis distances himself from Tim Wilson on 18C. Watch carefully this closet luvvie.

    Also at that link, Cornflakes box “QC” Mark Dreyfus says Wilson’s belief in free speech will make it difficult for him.

    “I need to state that these issues aren’t just about Andrew Bolt, they’re about a principle that we universally share,” he told ABC News Breakfast.

    “We need an open contest of ideas, we need free speech.

    “The only way to challenge and tackle offensive speech is to have more speech and for people to openly mock and ridicule things that people say they find offensive.”

    Mr Wilson has previously said the Human Rights Commission is an organisation that should not exist.

    Shadow attorney-general Mark Dreyfus says Mr Wilson is going to have difficulty performing his role given those views.

    “Mr Wilson, I think, is going to have difficulty undertaking this role when he has shown such contempt for the human rights commission in the past,” he said.

    Incredible, isn’t it? Free speech is actually “controversial” to this country’s nazi left.

  184. Gab

    That is such a great idea, IT.

    “Here [dear lefty relative/friend], instead of buying you a material gift that promotes and supports the evil capitalistic behemoth that is corporate Australia underpinned by the immoral and wicked free market, I’ve donated to a group in your name. You are now a Friend of the IPA.
    Lots of love and Merry Christmas.”

  185. Brian of Moorabbin

    Gab (@12.03pm)

    I think you have just found my Christmas present to the mother-in-law! 🙂

  186. .

    I’m not trying to “defend Islam” C.L. – you seem to have clarified your idea anyway.

  187. stackja

    nic
    #1115409, posted on December 18, 2013 at 11:47 am
    Yes Stack, I saw that. Quite a surprise eh?

    Yes!

  188. C.L.

    Mumble backs censorship, condemns Tim Wilson and the IPA as a racist organisation:

    IPA people have a bee in their bonnet about “freedom”, and “free speech” in particular. The younger ones can often be seen on the ABC 24’s The Drum, usually pronouncing in favour of someone or other’s right to offend someone else.

    Yet see what happens when the speech flows in the wrong direction.

    Wilson writes today that he’s particularly worried about section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act. And laws restricting the media…

    Here by the way is a picture of IPA personnel.

  189. Gab

    The Abbott Government (40 seat majority)

    acting like a one seat majority! I’m bitterly disappointed in the quislings and their never-ending desire to appease the Left. On the upside, maybe more conservatives will vote LDP next time around.

  190. C.L.

    So there you have it. Mumble says IPA members are basically white supremacists.

    Which he’s free to do, of course.

    Now.

  191. .

    C.L. is of course correct about the modern ALP.

    They are actually actively campaigning against free speech.

    What a disgusting mob of latter day Bourbon dynasty misfits and contemptibles.

    Free speech is sacred.

  192. C.L.

    No worries, Dot.

    You know I love you, brother man.

  193. Rabz

    Mr Wilson has previously said the Human Rights Commission is an organisation that should not exist.

    Heresy!

  194. harrys on the boat

    Great minds, IT. Was going to post that I had donated to the IPA christmas appeal last night on the back of Wilsons appointment and Shitfers meltdown.

    Bear in mind shitfer was one of the reasons I joined the IPA, Roskam and co are doing quite well out of the deviant.

  195. stackja

    TA has an agenda. Only TA knows what his long-term plan is. I will withhold judgment until the next election. Too much short-term criticism. Using the term ‘quislings’ is unhelpful.

  196. Gab

    . Yet see what happens when the speech flows in the wrong direction

    Unbelievable. Is this Mumble idiot even self-aware? He does remind me of monty, though.

  197. .

    C.L.,

    Please post your shit shockers into one single, concise post. I’ve met mumble and I’m disappointed but not surprised he’d sacrifice his “humanism” for a barely concealed ultra strong loyalty to the far left.

    The IPA does however have one “evil bald fascist gnome” in it’s ranks.

  198. Gab

    Too much short-term criticism.

    Begin how you intend to finish. Abbott and his mob have shown no gumption, no guts and therefore deserve no glory.

    Using the term ‘quislings’ is unhelpful.

    If it looks, acts and walks like a goose, it is a goose. It is “unhelpful” to ignore reality.

  199. Infidel Tiger

    IPA people have a bee in their bonnet about “freedom”, and “free speech” in particular.

    Yes we do, fuckwit.

  200. nic

    The IPA does however have one “evil bald fascist gnome” in it’s ranks.

    Something I find reassuring.

  201. Tom

    Yet see what happens when the speech flows in the wrong direction

    Insert Goebbels joke here.

  202. Rabz

    Is this Mumble idiot even self-aware?

    Yes, the Textor really got it wrong when he laid into that embarrassing clown on twatter, didn’t he?

  203. Gab

    FORMER Howard Government treasurer Peter Costello will become acting chair of the $92 billion Future Fund that he established in 2006 following the resignation of David Gonski.

    After 20 months as chairman of the Future Fund’s Board of Guardians, Mr Gonski is leaving to take the job as chairman of ANZ Banking Group, replacing John Morschell.

    Good news and bad news – I’ll now have to switch to another bank.

  204. twostix

    IPA people have a bee in their bonnet about “freedom”, and “free speech” in particular.

    I like the way he puts “freedom” in scare quotes.

    I will say that having only one serious major think tank is a danger to lovers of liberty in this nation. We need 10 or more IPA’s.

    The ATA seem promising but they need to update their homepage – the election is over gentlemen.

  205. Gab

    I guess I never realised just how stupid mumble really is, Rabz. He summed up in that one sentence exactly what the Left believe – free speech only if you agree with the Left. Or, as leftards say: free speech for me but not for thee.

  206. Token

    Mumble backs censorship, condemns Tim Wilson and the IPA as a racist organisation:

    The left follows whatever the borg tells them to do, and will use any platform to lie and verbal.

    As if Mumble understood the 18C arguments, he is just regurgitating what he read about the topic on The Twitters.

  207. twostix

    After 20 months as chairman of the Future Fund’s Board of Guardians, Mr Gonski is leaving to take the job as chairman of ANZ Banking Group, replacing John Morschell.

    They’re all shit Gab. Westpac is luvvie central and wastes money on every luvvie cause. Is there any actual stereotypical old school banks anymore? You know, the mean old penny pinching ones that only cared about money? Or are they all social justice equity repositories now?

  208. Tom

    A warning to Cats that you cannot name the Third Reich’s propaganda minister without scrambling the Doomlord’s Luftwaffe thought police interceptors.

  209. Andrew

    Abbott seems to be hinting that the RET is on the chopping block…excellent.

  210. Token

    TA has an agenda. Only TA knows what his long-term plan is. I will withhold judgment until the next election. Too much short-term criticism. Using the term ‘quislings’ is unhelpful.

    Appointing Natasha Double-Hyphen to a high paid post so she can trash the Coalition while she flies First Class at the Taxpayers expense is dumb, not matter how you look at it.

  211. Gab

    Westpac is luvvie central and wastes money on every luvvie cause. Is there any actual stereotypical old school banks anymore? You know, the mean old penny pinching ones that only cared about money? Or are they all social justice equity repositories now?

    I don’t know. Perhaps our crony banking capitalist can enlighten us?

    JC, can you advise which bank should be the beneficiary of my hard-earned?

  212. Gab

    Abbott seems to be hinting that the RET is on the chopping block

    Two months ago, I would have been thrilled and believed he would go ahead. Today I just don’t believe Abbott would do anything sensible in his fear of upsetting the leftards.

  213. Rafe

    I wanted to be on the podium with the next Forum and I was expecting it at 12.00 but Sinc fooled me and now I am about to go out to lunch and I get he puts the new one up the minute I am out the door.

  214. JC

    ANZ, Gab

    The CEO there is on the side of the angels. He’s a good guy.

    Stay away from the other three. Wetpatch s basically a Greenslime bank. I heard on the grapevine that NAB is going to have the wombat whisperer as the Chairman. Dunno much about CBA.

  215. Gab

    Thanks, JC. What about foreign-owned banks, any you would recommend?

  216. stackja

    Gab
    #1115479, posted on December 18, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    We disagree!

  217. rebel with cause

    Flicking through the pages of the local news rag and I came across an article about a local charity that does the whole giving gifts ‘to the less fortunate’ at Christmas thing. Anyway, they said that they are a bit short of gifts for teenage boys and men this year and suggested a few things people could give the charity for them to give out. One of the things they suggested was an iTunes gift card.

    I suppose I’m a bit of stick-in-the-mud, but I can’t help but wonder how tough someone who can afford a $700 iPhone and the associated bills is really doing it? We’re always reading in the paper about various charities saying that ‘this year is our toughest year yet’ etc etc. I just wonder if they aren’t having us on a bit sometimes – if you think that the thing your clients could most do with is an iTunes giftcard then maybe they aren’t doing it as tough as you might have us believe? Or maybe their clients want iTunes cards because they are easy to on-sell for cash? (I suppose I don’t have an objection to this on utilitarian grounds but who knows what they spend the money on – I wouldn’t want to fund a drug habit for instance).

    Of course people are free to donate to whomever they please, and I fully encourage generosity at Christmas – being able to do something nice for your fellow man is one of life’s true pleasures – but I would encourage Cat’s to make sure their generosity is achieving real good.

  218. JC

    Gab

    Morgan stanley is pretty decent. Citigroup is fine and JPMorgan is too. Depends what you want them for.

  219. Rabz

    Abbott seems to be hinting that the RET is on the chopping block…excellent.

    Yes indeed.

    Why am I so skeptical it won’t happen?

  220. JC

    Oh and credit Suisse is great.

  221. SteveC

    monty, sfb, drinks on at sussex street tonight:

    High Court rules NSW political donations laws invalid

    In a stunning, unanimous judgment, the court ruled that key parts of the laws are invalid, upholding a challenge by Unions NSW.

  222. Rabz

    monty, sfb, drinks on at sussex street tonight

    Don’t forget to take Thommo’s credit card.

  223. JC

    SteveC

    Don’t get you hopes up too high. Wait until voluntary union fees comes up.

  224. boy on a bike

    I would encourage Cat’s to make sure their generosity is achieving real good.

    The charity we are involved with sticks to the basics:

    – sandwiches, fruit and things like nut bars (non-perishable, easy to eat) given directly to the homeless with no intermediaries
    – socks, beanies and scarves in winter (you can even knit them if you feel so inclined)
    – soap, toothpaste, toothbrushes, deodorant, shampoo (in little bottles that the homeless can easily carry around)

    Admin costs and overhead are exactly $0. Charitable deductions are also exactly $0. Monthly input from the family is about 10 hours all up (even the little kids can chip in and help make sandwiches). I reckon it is time and money well spent – even if feeding the homeless cuts into my Cat commenting time.

  225. twostix

    Don’t get you hopes up too high. Wait until voluntary union fees comes up.

    But Labor and the union movement said it was an attack on their ability to contest elections. The unions argued that political donations, including those by corporations, are a form of freedom of expression that need protection.

    Unions and the left arguing for the right for corporations to donate to political parties. LOL

  226. JC

    Yea Stix

    Every Australian leftie complains that the US system is corrupted because of the Koch bros. joe Ludwig here, not so much.

  227. JC

    The High Court is unreliable, but it appears to me that Finkelstien would have been unturned and 18 c would be too they are finding an implied right to free speech.

  228. twostix

    The High Court is unreliable, but it appears to me that Finkelstien would have been unturned and 18 c would be too they are finding an implied right to free speech.

    Only if the case is brought by a union or leftist organisation against a Liberal government.

    So the way to victory is to hold the left to their own standards and laws.

  229. SteveC

    Only drinks Rabz, not “escort” services. Slipper said he would provide the cabcharge vouchers for us.

  230. Token

    Unions and the left arguing for the right for corporations to donate unlimited amounts to political parties. LOL

    Fixed for you. I do hope Dot or another of the Cat’s best constitutional scholars could clarify the decision for us.

    Sinc, are you able to do a post?

  231. Tom

    Rupert’s new chief fucktard, free-money-for-moochers advocate and taxpayer enemy Alan Kohler continues his eat-the-rich jihad:

    No crisis, but taxes still need to rise
    In 2003, the top marginal tax rate was 47 per cent on income over $60,000; today it’s 45 per cent on income over $180,000. The next rate down was 42 per cent on $50-60,000; now it’s 37 per cent on $80-$180,000. The bottom rate of 17 per cent kicked in at $6882; now the bottom rate of 19 per cent kicks in at $20,542, after taking into account the low income tax offset.

    These are big cuts to the personal income tax base that now look irresponsible in the light of 10 years of projected deficits because of the decline in the terms of trade.

    And while increasing the rate of GST and/or closing its holes should not be off the table, doing that would hit poor people the hardest. Increasing income taxes – gradually, over time – would raise more money and be fairer.

  232. Token

    …free-money-for-moochers advocate and taxpayer enemy Alan Kohler continues his eat-the-rich jihad:

    The leftards are in lock step and on message.

  233. .

    Fairness is debatable but the idea that increasing income tax would raise more revenue than the GST over time is simply incorrect, given a cost to raise X amount of funds.

  234. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    From Dot’s link to a Catholic theological site, re the nature of ‘Allah’:

    His attributes, denied by the heterodox Motazilites, are ninety-nine in number. Each one of them is represented by a bead in the Moslem chaplet, while on the one hundredth and larger bead, the name of Allah itself is pronounced.

    It is preposterous to assert with Curtiss (Ursemitische Religion, 119) that the nomadic tribes of Arabia, consider seriously the Oum-el-Gheith, “mother of the rain”, as the bride of Allah and even if the expression were used such symbolical language would not impair, in the least, the purity of monotheism held by those tribes. (Cf. Revue Biblique, Oct., 1906, 580 sqq.)

    Ancient tribal and pan-cultural gods trace their descent through many aspects and many names, which were often descriptors of these aspects. I see elements of this in that Islamic recitation. In these early cultures, both the aspects and the names of the father-god changed over time, so the concept of the supreme deity in these sorts of conceptualisations was subject to change. We can see this in process if we follow through the Indo-European stem name for the father god, Djeus or Deivos. This name became Dyaus in Sanscrit, Zeus in Greek, Jovis in Latin, Tyr in Scandinavia, Ziu in Germanic lands, and Tiw in English (our ‘Tuesday’). These are all linguistically sound derivations.

    Brian Branston, in his book “The Lost Gods of England” (Thames and Hudson 1974) discusses the association of natural features (of the landscape or of human society) with the godhead in pagan/heathen religions. He separates this type of conceptualisation from the Hebraic god, whom he characterises as ‘pure being, unqualified and ineffable’, which would accord with the view taken in the Catholic theological site above. This latter concept of god cannot be given attributes, such as wives and offspring or a hillside shaped like his profile or a sexual appetite for young maidens, and if they are apparent under such ‘monotheism’ then they are, as suggested above, to be explained as present in a purely symbolic capacity.

    Except in Christianity. A god made into a man is hardly unknown. When not applied to the Christian god, but to pagan gods, there is even a word for it: to euhemerise the god. As Claudius showed Boudicca and the Iceni, this could also work the other way: an Emperor, a man, could make himself into a God and cause no end of strife because of that. But the Christians claimed Christ was neither of these things: it required a complex theological grappling with the idea of an actual Son of a Father god as being beyond mere symbolism to produce the solution of the Christian Trinity.

    This Christian god, Christ the Son, is numinous and ineffable, because his ‘actuality’ is an expression of, the being of, the Father god himself. Thus there emerged the long argument within early Christianity over whether this ‘Son of God’ was ‘begotten’ (of the Father God, of the same substance, the being of, the essence of) or whether he was simply ‘created’, a later manufacture (for want of a better word) by this ineffable yet immanent Father God. ‘Begotten’ won the argument, thus it is an essential word in the Nicean Creed, a fundamental statement of Christian belief. (Happy to be corrected on any of this, you scholarly Cats).

    Branson, by the way, in my view goes overboard on the ‘mother goddess’ thesis concerning pre-literate religions, taking too many cues from a false anthropology concerning ‘mother-right’. This was Bachhofen’s nineteenth century characterisation of what is simply matriliny, not matriarchy; a fancy that was then extended by Sir James Fraser in The Golden Bough, and continued by Robert Graves in The White Goddess. The internet has taken over from there. New Age Wymminses sites concentrate on da terrible male power. Interestingly, they evade paternity. They lack any sensible examination of the concept of paternity, and its place in the formation of human beings as a culture-utilising species. Thus today, excavators of the twelve thousand year old city of Catal Huyuk in Mesopotamia are plagued by American New Age leftish ‘Goddess Hunters’ in Birkenstocks seeking to Reclaim the Right, or some such fabrication about matriarchy. Put an N in it and they were marching down the streets of Melbourne recently.

    I am interested in getting nearer to the truth of it. With careful and evidenced theory, we can see that both male and female elements have always featured in religious beliefs, even from Mesolithic times. Properly analysed, the earliest beliefs we can find suggest an interesting expression of our fundamental sexual biologies as they become part of the evolution of human culture; both for men and for women. Earth mothers, sky fathers, functional divisions of labour, fertility, inter-group conflict, trade and exchange, the tracing of lineage and the control of women by men who are trying to understand and then claim their own role and rights in fecundity. Matriarchy? No. No evidence for that at all. The cultural battle for paternity? Plenty of evidence for that.

  235. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Infidel Tiger at 9:15 am:

    ” Further to the extent of the deranged one’s ranting

    She earned the title MAlice through a series of disgraceful rants. I am still surprised people talk kindly of her.

    Give her a break. Her son just died. No perceived slight on anyone here’s part can top that pain she must be going through.”

    “perceived slight.” “perceived slight?” You’re inventive Infidel Tiger, I’ll give you that. The same goes for your imagined contest.

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