Monday Forum: February 17, 2014

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1,309 Responses to Monday Forum: February 17, 2014

  1. Infidel Tiger

    Stepford, he’s still reluctant to admit the climate models are fucked.

    Step has a post up about his current depression.

  2. johanna

    Thanks, SOG – nice to meet another font fanatic! But that is a whole other topic.

    I previously used Times Roman, and had the same problem. Kartika is a very clear and easy-to-read font, which is why I switched.

    It’s a bug in the software. As discussed with Ripper above, the only solution is to change to another email platform, and he tells me that Thunder-something will transfer everything. I’ll check it out when I have time.

  3. Token

    Step has a post up about his current depression.

    I do hope he blogs through his mysery, there are lot of narcistic leftards whose psyche was shattered when they realised they are no longer successful at luring poor people to their deaths at sea and therefore are really counting on the world ending.

    Stepford’s blog is going to be a light on what they will have to confront when the realise the universe does not revolve around them.

  4. Armadillo

    @jc6543: @bencubby lol. Dude seriously, focus on the editing. At 200k circulation you’re not even paying for the renewable energy bill.

    So Ben has sent 42k tweets and their circulation is 200k. Bugger me. He’s rapidly going to end up with a bigger audience than the rag itself. Each tweet is probably a detailed explanation of the interesting points from the print edition.

  5. JC

    @bencubby: @jc6543 Lucky im not in it for the money then!

    Whack
    @

    jc6543: @bencubby your long suffering shareholders are though.

  6. Brian of Moorabbin

    Step has a post up about his current depression.

    Pffft…

    A good kick in the slats will cure his depression quick smart.

  7. Armadillo

    Step has a post up about his current depression.

    Centrelink must be on to him.

  8. Tom

    JC, you’re being way too generous about the breakneck speed that ShakeMyHead’s circulation is collapsing — in 13Q3, it was down another 15% YOY to 136,000. Once it crashes through 100K, the decision to cease daily publication follows.

  9. Senile Old Guy

    I previously used Times Roman, and had the same problem. Kartika is a very clear and easy-to-read font, which is why I switched.

    Damn! Looks like it is the DLL problem which I think (don’t quote me) is on the user’s machine, not yours (as I understand the way that works).

    And, yes, it is a nice easy to read font.

    I used Thunderbird for years but they started putting in all sorts of bloat and it slowed down. It may be better now. Oh, I should add, I was running it off a USB for portability (one reason I liked it), so it would be much better on a computer.

    I did like it.

  10. Myrddin Seren

    Hey johanna

    I’ve been away from the pooter doing much overdue paperwork – so I only just looked at the Open Forum and saw your comment about Thunderbird.

    I downloaded it recently to try and tame the shambles that Yahoo Mail has become. Very pleased with Thunderbird so far. +1 from me.

  11. JC

    Thanks for the correction Tom. That circulation is falling faster than venezuela’s currency. It’s hard to keep up.

  12. Brian of Moorabbin

    Anyhow, I figure a good name for the Tea Party-ish Right, both in the US and Australia is “congealed stupidity”.

    Honest to God, I have never known the Right of politics to contain so many annoying, rude, over-simplying and intellectually vacuous people as it does at the moment. What on earth has caused this? (And no, it’s not me moving to the Left – it’s a large part of the Right positively moving towards anti-intellectualism and ignoring evidence for ideological reasons, both on science and economics.) Is it because a fair slab of the Left has moved somewhat to the centre, compared to (say) the decades of the 60’s to the 80’s?

    IT, that’s not depression that Stevie (Hi!! *waves*) is suffering from…

    It’s DELUSION…

  13. Brian of Moorabbin

    in 13Q3, it was down another 15% YOY to 136,000.

    Shit, even the Global Mail was getting better figures than that, and Graeme Wood culled it as a waste of money and resources….

    No wonder Cubby is so busy tweeting to all and sundry. He’s hoping the ABC takes notice and offers him a position ala Jonathon Green….

  14. johanna

    SOG – I did get some inklings that it could be ancient mail software on users’ machines that might be at least partially responsible – but it is difficult to prove, plus I found out that people are absurdly protective of their computer setups. Some of them got very shirty when I politely suggested it.

    P.S., sloppy terminology above. It is typefaces, not fonts, that I am very interested in.

  15. JC

    Interesting, so Stepford has a post about China and the use of electricity production to assist in scaling. The fucking moron doesn’t understand the impact of marginal production and the effect it has.

    The fucking moron.

    Now that we’re losing aluminum production economies of scale will be reduced thereby impacting on price.

    I hope they stick him on a tranquilizer for his depression after they remove his disability pension… Or before.

  16. Senile Old Guy

    but it is difficult to prove, plus I found out that people are absurdly protective of their computer setups. Some of them got very shirty when I politely suggested it.

    Yes, I understand. But a problem that hits some but not most, suggests it’s at the reader end, not yours.

    P.S., sloppy terminology above. It is typefaces, not fonts, that I am very interested in.

    Of course, but if I say typeface, few will understand. For me, some of the interest is in the care and thought that went into creating some of the early typefaces and also some of the more recent ones.

  17. johanna

    Well JC, as I said above, we are on track to increase retail gas prices by up to 20%, despite there being no shortage of gas.

    The greenfilth agenda is playing out perfectly.

  18. Grigory M

    Afternoon JC. May I be so bold as to advise you that ‘bobsey’ is actually spelt with two ‘b’s? Unless of course your use of the word has no relationship to the ‘Bobbsey Twins’, in which case please excuse this intrusion.

  19. JC

    Seriously, what Stepford has done in that rediculous post is to explain how the china are scaling up energy production in order to reduce marginal costs…. And the fucking idiot doesn’t even realize it.

    Furthermore, what does moving Australian production do to global emissions?

    You imbecile Stepford.

  20. Infidel Tiger #1195250, posted on February 19, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    “Please stop lying; the 97% statistic is f*cking bullshit, and you f*cking know it, you c*nt.”

    Double his allowance.

    Perhaps we could start the “Catallaxy Scholarship”.

    My nomination for the first recipient is ‘Son of Deadman’

  21. calli

    The Catallaxy SOD Scholarship. It has a nice ring to it.

  22. Gab

    The Catallaxy SOD-off Scholarship sounds better 😀

  23. twostix

    And no, it’s not me moving to the Left

    I always thought that whole “liberal voting conservative catholic” thing was a cynical ruse. Apparently not, it’s what he really thinks.

  24. Brian of Moorabbin

    ABC Fact-check confirms: “Bill Shorten cherrypicking manufacturing job loss figures

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has been on the attack about jobs in the manufacturing industry.

    In an interview on the ABC’s 7.30 program on February 10, Mr Shorten said: “The Abbott Government thinks manufacturing’s too hard. They’ve given up the ghost. They won’t fight – do you know there’s been a thousand manufacturing jobs lost every month the Abbott Government’s been in power?”

    Earlier that day, Mr Shorten made a similar claim: “Tony Abbott’s only been in power for five months, and we’ve seen 5,000 manufacturing jobs announced as gone, that is a thousand jobs a month in manufacturing lost under the Abbott Government,” he said.

    Is Mr Shorten right? Have 1,000 manufacturing jobs been lost – or announced as lost – every month since September last year?

    ABC Fact Check investigates.

    Mr Shorten says 1,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost every month since Mr Abbott has been in power. There is no official data to support this claim, as figures for most of the period have not been published. In any case, many of the workers Mr Shorten is referring to will not officially leave their jobs for at least another year.

    The Australian Manufacturing Workers’ Union says the job loss announcements should still be counted as job losses. “I would… challenge any person to tell these workers that their job loss ‘isn’t yet real’. You only need to visit Toyota to feel that these job losses are real and the effect is immediate,” national secretary Paul Bastian told Fact Check. “It is a certainty these jobs are gone, even if they have a short period of time left to serve out.”

    But Professor Phil Lewis, director of the Centre for Labour Market Research at the University of Canberra, says Mr Shorten’s claim is “absolute nonsense”.

    “In any year hundreds and thousands of jobs are lost and created,” he said. “You can’t count these announced job losses as current job losses. The only jobs you can count as jobs lost are people who were in employment and are no longer in employment. You can’t start counting people losing jobs in future. Imagine if in the next year all of these people get another job, then there would be no job loss.”

    The verdict

    The Abbott Government has been in power for five months – from September, when it was sworn in, to February. Since then, there have been a series of job loss announcements in the manufacturing industry.

    However, these are future job losses, which are not yet reflected in official ABS employment data.

    Job losses in the manufacturing industry are also part of a wider trend. ABS data clearly shows that employment in the industry has been declining for decades, including under the former Labor government.

    Mr Shorten’s claim is cherrypicking.

    When you’ve lost even the ABC…..

    RTWT

  25. johanna

    Business as usual in NSW:

    “The ICAC has heard although Camilleri was on a salary of over $300,000 a year, he made 30 requests for advances on his holiday and long service pay.

    Most of them were approved by his manager, Gavin Campbell, who is now the head of maintenance for Sydney Trains.

    Mr Campbell said he was a “newbie” who had previously spent 23 years with Qantas before he went to work for RailCorp and that he was not popular in his new workplace.

    He said Camilleri often asked for large advance payments for personal matters such as “an unpredicted family financial situation” and at first he did not think he had the power to question what the money was for.

    Mr Campbell said Qantas had wanted him to “drive down employees annual leave balances” and RailCorp supported him to do the same.

    He assumed Camilleri was a father helping one of his children build a house or something similar.”

    Bizarre. In many years of working in the public sector, the notion of getting “advances” on your pay was unheard of.

    Good old NSW. It never disappoints when it comes to corruption.

  26. Brian of Moorabbin

    ABC Fact-Check really dumping on ALP

    Brendan O’Connor incorrect on Cole royal commission cost

    As Prime Minister Tony Abbott prepared to announce the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption, the Opposition and union groups questioned the effectiveness and expense of an earlier inquiry.

    In 2001, the Howard government established the Royal Commission into the Building and Construction Industry headed by Terence Cole QC.

    Commissioner Cole’s final report was tabled in parliament in March 2003, and found evidence of – among other things – widespread inappropriate payments, disregard of safety regulations, threatening conduct, under-payment of workers and tax evasion.

    As speculation mounted about the scope of the new royal commission, Opposition spokesman for employment and workplace relations Brendan O’Connor referred to the cost of the building inquiry, set up when Mr Abbott was employment minister. “He [Mr Abbott] set up a royal commission. It cost $66 million of taxpayers’ money…,” Mr O’Connor said on ABC TV’s Insiders program on February 9.

    Later in the same interview he said: “It did cost in today’s dollars $100 million.”

    ABC Fact Check examines Mr O’Connor’s claims about the cost of the 2001 building royal commission.

    Fact Check asked Mr O’Connor how he arrived at $66 million as the cost of the building royal commission, rather than the budget of $60 million, or the final reported cost of $58.61 million. Mr O’Connor provided no primary sources, but sent four newspaper articles from 2007 to 2010 referring to “the $66 million inquiry”.

    A review of newspaper archives by Fact Check produced an earlier article in The Australian Financial Review, dated September 8, 2005, which quoted the national secretary of the construction division of the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union, John Sutton, referring to “the $66 million Cole royal commission”. Fact Check asked the union for the basis of the figure and has received no reply.

    Fact Check also asked the Attorney-General’s Department about the cost. The department referred to the $58.61 million published in the commission’s final report and could not provide any evidence of additional costs after the report was published.

    Commissioner Cole told Fact Check: “I have no idea where the figure of $66 million comes from, but certainly it did not come from me.”

    Mr O’Connor said the building royal commission cost $100 million in today’s dollars.

    Using the Reserve Bank of Australia’s inflation calculator, $35.65 million in June 2002 and $22.96 million in February 2003 combined is now worth $79.4 million.

    The same calculation using the mysterious $66 million figure results in $89.2 million in today’s dollars.

    The verdict

    There is no evidence to support Mr O’Connor’s claim that the Building and Construction Industry Royal Commission cost $66 million.

    Even if it did cost that amount, it would not equate to $100 million in today’s dollars.

    The official cost of the royal commission was $58.61 million, which equates to just under $80 million in today’s terms.

    Mr O’Connor is incorrect.

    When you’ve lost even the ABC….

  27. blind freddy

    Who would have thought–Craig T ahead of his time!!!

    Strip clubs, massage parlours and porn films eligible for Government subsidies

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news

  28. Gab

    ABC Fact-Check really dumping on ALP…

    More like the ABC throwing a few crumbs to the conservative-leaning taxpayers. No doubt, this will be used as an example that the ABC is unbiased. Hilarious antics that are transparent to anyone with cognitive functions.

  29. Brian of Moorabbin

    ABC really doesn’t like Bull Shitten

    Bill Shorten’s car subsidy numbers irrelevant, outdated

    The recent announcements by Toyota and General Motors Holden that they will stop making cars in Australia in 2017, and Ford’s earlier decision to pull out in 2016, have led to a renewed debate over government subsidies to the automotive industry.

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten says the level of subsides provided to car makers in Australia is lower than in other countries.

    “Australia subsidises its car manufacturing in the order of about $17, whereas the Germans do it at about somewhere between $65 and $90 and the Americans, $250,” Mr Shorten told ABC TV’s 7.30 on February 10.

    ABC Fact Check asked Mr Shorten where those figures came from. His office said he was drawing on data contained in a report commissioned by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI), the peak car industry body. That report, prepared by Sapere Research Group and published in January 2011, compared assistance for the automotive industry in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Sweden, the United Kingdom and the United States in 2008-09.

    It found Australia gave $573.3 million, which worked out as $US17.80 per capita – the lowest level of assistance per capita among those seven nations. Sweden gave the highest level of per capita support, $US334.18. Germany’s per capita assistance was $US90.37 and the United States $US264.82

    The verdict

    Mr Shorten is drawing on data from 2008-09 contained in a report commissioned by an industry body. The report points out there were a number of extraordinary factors affecting the automotive industry at that time.

    His claim is based on outdated numbers that are irrelevant to the current debate.

    That’s Billy “Tits McGee” Shortcrust to a tee…. outdated and irrelevant.

  30. Tom

    …a fair slab of the Left has moved somewhat to the centre…

    Stix, the chief amoeba at Dogshit Today actually thinks the howler monkey left that he supports is the centre of the political spectrum. The self-delusion would be frightening if it weren’t so tragically funny.

  31. blogstrop

    These fact-check stories from the ABC means they’ve started the bilge pumps in order to stop the vessel sinking.

  32. H B Bear

    Everyone is kicking Dolly at the moment.

    He must feel like he is on a St Kilda Mad Monday bender and the boys are feeling their pockets for a lighter.

  33. Tom

    I just can’t get over some of the numbers in Grace Collier’s piece on the suicidal Alcoa EBAs:

    Thanks to the EBAs, perhaps up to half of the $40m* was committed to cash pay rises and flow-on labour costs. The rest may go towards the closure bill, estimated by Alcoa as between $250m and $270m. Roughly divided, this equates to a budget of $250,000 to $270,000 in redundancy pay and associated benefits for each employee. Must we pay to “transition” them all as well?

    The Point Henry Rolled Products EBA gave pay rises totalling 12 per cent from September 2012.

    Under the life of that EBA, the entry-level wage for a continuous seven-day shift worker was hiked from $82,106 annually to $91,571 by 2015. The wage for an experienced continuous seven-day shift worker went from $119,334 annually to $133,092 in 2015.

    Union representatives get up to 10 days a year paid union training. Income protection insurance is purchased via the AWU’s chosen insurance company. Should any other business be contracted to provide labour, Alcoa will force it to match its own terrible wages outcomes. This measure protects the high pay of union members by making it impossible for Alcoa to access cheaper workers.

    Rolled Products employees at Yennora were given pay rises totalling 8 per cent in an EBA made last October. The highest paid continuous shift worker under the agreement was on track to earn $139,008 by 2016 while an entry-level continuous shift worker was on track to earn $88,630. Superannuation contributions were boosted from 12.6 per cent last year to 13.35 per cent in 2016.

    Redundancy packages are generous and uncapped. An employee with 20 years’ service would receive a severance payment of more than two years’ pay.

    At today’s pay rates, a continuous shift worker on the highest classification, with 20 years’ service, would receive a severance payment of 124 weeks, being $312,360, plus long-service leave and annual leave accruals.

    *Alcoa is owned by the AWU, which owned the Lying Slapper, so the reckless government spending was part of the AWU contract to install the Lying Slapper as PM.

  34. johanna

    Yep, someone in the ABC (probably the exceptionally smart Spigelman) has just worked out that they need to change their tune.

    Same orchestra, though.

  35. Brian of Moorabbin

    The Australian Greens anti-dams stance is similar to that of Democrats in California…. and how is that stance actually working out?

    Badly.

    President Obama visited California’s drought-hit Central Valley Friday, offering handouts and blaming global warming. But the state’s water shortage is due to the left’s refusal to deal with the state’s water needs.

    Following legislative action last month by Speaker John Boehner and California’s Central Valley Representatives David Valadao, Devin Nunes and Kevin McCarthy, whose Sacramento-San Joaquin Valley Emergency Water Delivery Act was designed to resolve the long-standing problem of environmental water cutbacks that have devastated America’s richest farmland, Obama is grandstanding in California, too.

    His aim, however, is not a long-term solution for California’s now-constant water shortages that have hit its $45 billion agricultural industry, but to preach about global warming. Instead of blaming the man-made political causes of California’s worst water shortage, he’s come with $2 billion in “relief” that’s nothing but a tired effort to divert attention from fellow Democrats’ dereliction of duty in using the state’s water infrastructure.

    The one thing that will mitigate droughts in California — a permanent feature of the state — is to restore the water flow from California’s water-heavy north to farmers in the central and south. That’s just what House Bill 3964, which passed by a 229-191 vote last week, does.

    But Obama’s plan is not to get that worthy bill through the Senate (where Democrats are holding it up) but to shovel pork to environmental activists and their victims, insultingly offering out-of-work farmers a “summer meal plan” in his package.

    “We are not interested in welfare; we want water,” Nunes told IBD this week. He and his fellow legislator Valadao are both farmers who represent the worst-hit regions of the Central Valley in Congress and can only look at the president’s approach with disbelief.

    “He’s not addressing the situation,” Valadao told us.

    “They want to blame the drought for the lack of water, but they wasted water for the past five years,” said Nunes.

    The two explain that California’s system of aqueducts and storage tanks was designed long ago to take advantage of rain and mountain runoff from wet years and store it for use in dry years. But it’s now inactive — by design. “California’s forefathers built a system (of aqueducts and storage facilities) designed to withstand five years of drought,” said Nunes.

    “We have infrastructure dating from the 1960s for transporting water, but by the 1990s the policies had changed,” said Valadao.

    Environmental special interests managed to dismantle the system by diverting water meant for farms to pet projects, such as saving delta smelt, a baitfish. That move forced the flushing of 3 million acre-feet of water originally slated for the Central Valley into the ocean over the past five years.

    That hasn’t helped the smelt any. But that doesn’t seem to matter to Obama or his environmentalist friends.

    Never does.

    The shutdown has been made worse by the inaction of California’s Democrats, who for years have refused to build adequate storage facilities so that rainwater and snowmelt runoff can be stored for use by a growing population during dry years, another element of the earlier system. With no storage, the rain goes wasted.

    “We can’t make it rain, but what we can do is (conserve water) and save it for today, and we did not do that for two years,” said Valadao, citing a recent wet year.

    “We went into 2013 with reservoirs 80% full and ended the year at 20% full, and now we have 0%,” said Valadao, citing the failure to build adequate storage for water. “We had lots of opportunities to prepare,” he noted, but Democrats “blew it.”

    Nunes said the problem is serious and calls for concrete solutions, not dreamy social re-engineering efforts based on the unproven science of global warming.

    “It’s not global warming that led us to this problem, but math and engineering, because we let 3 million acre-feet of water go wasted over the past five years,” Nunes said. “If we had that water, we would not be in an unmitigated disaster.”

    But that’s right where California finds itself now.

    Just as if, in Victoria, we’d built a dam on the Mitchell River (as opposed to the Whittlesea White Elephant) we’d have more water for less money (including the ongoing leasing costs of a plant that is slowly rusting away without ever actually being turned on)…

  36. Tom

    The stinking dogpile of academia turns up the leftard AbbottSatan hatred to eleventy:

    Manus riots confirm Australia as lawless enemy of fairness and liberty

    What a paragon of Greenfilth credibility:

    Ben Saul is Professor of International Law at the University of Sydney, and represented 51 refugees in their UN cases.

  37. Foggyfig

    After reading Grace Collier’s articles, I see no reason for the govt to have to supply re-training money. Let them use some of the money they get from the money they leave with.

  38. I have just received a phone call from one of the assistant principals of Hobart College bidding me to meet her tomorrow morning to discuss my uncivil language at the electoral meeting.
    I shall provide a report.

  39. MacBeth

    At last! Down with ‘fonts’ (misuse thereof) Hooray for ‘typefaces’!

  40. Armadillo

    Crikey, don’t start me on the need for an Armadamo Brian. If Tony really wants to be the ‘infrastructure Prime Minister’, he needs to start tuning those Mickey Mouse ears into the Cat.

  41. johanna

    Good luck, Alfred! We are with you. Don’t give them an inch. Admit nothing. Name, rank and serial number, and that’s it. It’s a kangaroo court where you can’t win.

  42. Armadillo

    I have just received a phone call from one of the assistant principals of Hobart College bidding me to meet her tomorrow morning to discuss my uncivil language at the electoral meeting.

    Should have told her you were too fucking busy.

  43. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Alfred at 5:37 pm:

    “I have just received a phone call from one of the assistant principals of Hobart College bidding me to meet her tomorrow morning to discuss my uncivil language at the electoral meeting.
    I shall provide a report.”

    Go armed, Alfred.

    Why, not so long ago a well known Sydney magistrate – and a first nationses wymmenses magistrate at that – found “there were no longer “community standards” in relation to such behaviour.”

    Cite Mzzz O’Shane. It might work.

  44. johanna

    MacBeth, our little fetish might best perhaps be kept under wraps.

    It could only lead to dancing.

  45. Carpe Jugulum

    bidding me to meet her tomorrow morning to discuss my uncivil language at the electoral meeting.

    Just walk in and go the full ‘victim’. scream opression & harrassment, threaten to take it to the UN as you are part of the mordy litijus tribe and they are racist against ‘indiginous people’.

    You know you want to.

  46. Ripper

    Alfred!

    Here is a link to the rubberyness of the “97%”

    E.G.

    The prominent climatologist Mike Hulme has slammed the Cook et al 97% “nonsensus” pape r in a comment at the Nottingham University Making Science Public blog. The “97% consensus” article is poorly conceived, poorly designed and poorly executed.

  47. johanna

    Wrong, wrong, to those who suggest that Alfred should try to argue with them on their own turf. It just gives them ammunition.

    As any experienced lawyer would advise, say nuffin. Get a recording on your phone that says “no comment” and press the button after every question.

    Getting into any sort of dialogue in these circumstances just legitimises what they are doing and cannot possibly help your case.

  48. Pickles

    Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life Alfred.

  49. Stephen of Glasshouse

    Alfred..get a mate into a nice suit and tie. Introduce him as friend versed in law, and make sure the principal knows that he’s only charging you $1000 an hour as mate’s rates. He’s only there to observe, take notes and chuckle at appropriate moments..Nuther trick..step into a a nice juicy dog turd and traipse that in with you as well..

  50. Gab

    Alfred, just tell her you are young and naive and passhionate about da truth regards climate change.

  51. Notafan

    Good luck Alfred
    Blatant attempts to indoctrinate kids really annoy me, teachers speak from a position of power and this Town Hall sounds like a scan. They ate so far from having the science settled it is laughable.
    Why 16 for voting? No responsibilities no taxes being paid still not even physically mature
    My daughter’s class were pressured by a teacher to ‘wag’ to participate in anti Iraq rally, my daughter was upset I rang school and had words to say many words actually. My daughter argued but felt pretty powerless.
    School notice next day stated no-one should be attending
    Lefties can’t help themselves

  52. Di

    Has anyone else seen Scott Morrison’s interview on ABC24? Scott needs to give that reader of questions a kick in the quoit.

    What a fuckwit!

  53. Stephen of Glasshouse

    Alfred..assume you are being recorded. Ask them. Then politely ask if you can record the session on your smart phone. Damn, where do I get these ideas…

  54. Armadillo #1195460, posted on February 19, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    Crikey, don’t start me on the need for an Armadamo Brian. If Tony really wants to be the ‘infrastructure Prime Minister’, he needs to start tuning those Mickey Mouse ears into the Cat.

    The infrastructure PM’ thing was code to a particular interest group, that promises made in return for their ‘investments’ will be honoured

  55. Stephen of Glasshouse

    Oh, I foreot to mention Alf. The suit and tie bit. Anyone who can do a Windsor tie knot in Tasie is considered a genius, so that’s a good thing. Also, friends in law drink single malt scotch..trust me on that..

  56. Infidel Tiger

    I have just received a phone call from one of the assistant principals of Hobart College bidding me to meet her tomorrow morning to discuss my uncivil language at the electoral meeting.
    I shall provide a report.

    Tell her to fuck off.

  57. Leigh Lowe

    The Point Henry Rolled Products EBA gave pay rises totalling 12 per cent from September 2012.

    What the fuck was the Rolled Products group rolling?
    Gold?
    Massive spliffs?
    Or aluminium?

  58. Leigh Lowe

    Tell her to fuck off.

    Actually, she has already complained about the uncivil language so I think the response needs to be “Fuck Off Please

  59. Token

    Admit nothing. Name, rank and serial number, and that’s it. It’s a kangaroo court where you can’t win.

    If they press you on anything, acknowledge that may be somebody else’s feeling about events, but do not agree to their suppositions or conclusions.

  60. Gab

    In all seriousness, Alfred, the issue with the principal is about the swearing not da climate change. So just tell her you won’t do that again and be done with it. No point arguing about the farce that climate change is as that is not the point. Let her have a rant and rave first though.

  61. feelthebern

    What did you say Alfred ?

    Great web site by the way.
    But I would have given “this is the end” a better rating though.

  62. Di

    Okay – I’ve been driven off the ABC forever!

    Jacqueline Malley on the Drum trying to say that the deaths of thousands of asylum seekers was horrible, but it was their choice. The death of the refo on Manus is Abbott’s fault.

    (I kid you not!)

    Then the ever fucking pouty Latitka Bourke (do you think she practices that look in front of the mirror?) introduced as someone who has been following the Thommo saga and is an expert – I bet Michael Smith & Kate McClymont are happy to have someone from the ABC on board!

  63. Token

    n all seriousness, Alfred, the issue with the principal is about the swearing not da climate change. So just tell her you won’t do that again and be done with it. No point arguing about the farce that climate change is as that is not the point. Let her have a rant and rave first though.

    Looking at this dialog, it is clear that the Cat can find a niche helping sensible young things as they confront the standard lefty kangaroo court lefty authoritarians set up to bully & intimidate.

    An expansion from JC’s left suicide line – it may drive more vulnerable types to seek help from JC’s great service.

  64. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    friends in law drink single malt scotch

    There’s any other type of scotch?

  65. johanna

    Why on earth should Alfred admit to anything, let alone apologise?

    What is this, pre-school where the kiddies have to say “sorry” even if they haven’t got a clue what it is about?

    Give em nuffin, Alfred. Absolutely nuffin.

  66. feelthebern

    Deadman, the science is in & your son is 100% correct.
    Ps what’s the relationship between you and Alfred ?

  67. Gab

    Why on earth should Alfred admit to anything, let alone apologise?

    Given many people were witness to his words, a denial that he said anything would be lying.

    Who said anything about an apology? And even if one was required in this case so what? He dropped the c-bomb in a public meeting; and how is that even an argument against the 97% rubbish? That’s the type of “argument” a leftard uses. In the scheme of things this passionate outburst event is small potatoes; also one should learn when to pick one’s battles.

  68. This Hobart College?

    Address
    Olinda Grove
    Mount Nelson
    Hobart, Tasmania, 7007, Australia

    Principal
    Tracy Siedler

    Vice principals
    Bronwen Bowman
    Dawn Cripps
    Vanessa Warren
    Felix Goward

    Alfred, I would be interested in the extent to which this publically funded gender unbalanced institution has drawn the public’s attention to the incivility of the recent changes to the abortion laws in your state.

    It is only my opinion but there is not one word you could utter that would be more foul than the silence in relation to Tasmania’s law on late and full term abortion.

    I am sure these ‘ladies’ would be very keen to provide a forum for a full and frank discussion on abortion as they did for gerbil warmening.

    Perhaps you might like to make the suggestion.

  69. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    There ya go Alfred – give her this web address and suggest she read it closely:

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2014/02/17/tuesday-forum-february-18-2014/comment-page-5/#comment-1195487

    plus 50 cents for an introductory call to J.C.’s lefty suicide hot line.

  70. Brian of Moorabbin

    I shall refrain from offering Alfred advice as to how to deal with the Assistant Principal and her interview vis-a-vis his comments at the electoral meeting on the basis that, after reviewing both his and Deadman’s statements on what occurred, he seems to me to be an emminently intelligent young man who, having been raised by impeccable parents, knows precisely how to comport himself in such situations.

    (Ask her if she prefers you to be diplomatic or tactful Alfred. If she answers ‘tactful’, then say “Get stuffed”… If ‘diplomatic’, say “Go call upon a taxidermist”…) 😉

  71. egg_

    plus 50 cents for an introductory call to J.C.’s lefty suicide hot line.

    Now includes option 73*, “Death by Chocolate” at no extra charge.

    *Not available via payphone.

  72. Notafan

    It is an opportunity to put forward a complaint that the speaker Mr McBS was trying to manipulate students by buttering them up, more time to look at issues than adults blah; at the same time treating them like fools with ‘the science is settled ‘ (by adults) look no further.
    I’d have been angry too.

  73. egg_

    Then the ever fucking pouty Latitka Bourke (do you think she practices that look in front of the mirror?) introduced as someone who has been following the Thommo saga and is an expert

    Yeah, she’s on an expert panel with B1, B2, Big Ted & Jemima.

  74. feelthebern
    The man you refer to as Deadman, I call dad.

  75. Feelthebern, you ask “what’s the relationship between [me] and Alfred?” He’s my (17 y.o.) first-born son; last year he was home-schooled, and this year he’s in his first year at Hobart College. His younger brother (13 y.o.) is being home-schooled this year.

  76. johanna

    Gab, he doesn’t have to “lie”. He just has to shut up, which is what anyone with decent legal advice would do in that situation.

    Why do you think that he should appease them?

  77. Gab

    You’ve clearly done a fine job raising them, Deadman. You are to be congratulated.

  78. feelthebern

    Tip o the hat, deadman.
    You’ve given them a good foundation.

  79. Infidel Tiger

    The man you refer to as Deadman, I call dad.

    Sounds like a line from a cool movie.

    Just tell teach you ain’t quite hip to the ways of the rigid patriarchal structure of Hobart High and you promise if no cnut lies to you again, you won’t have no need to to drop the magic.

  80. Armadillo

    The c-bomb was over the top in a public meeting.

  81. Gab

    Why do you think that he should appease them?

    First of all, he should listen to what the VP has to say, then he should consider if this battle is worth fighting over. Imho, I don’t believe it is, as I said, in the scheme of things the sweary outburst is small potatoes. If however the VP decides to make the issue about the 97% lie, then that is a battle worth fighting. No doubt, Alfred will make up his own mind on how to handle the meeting.

  82. Brian of Moorabbin

    No doubt, Alfred will make up his own mind on how to handle the meeting.

    Quite so.

  83. The pity is that Alfred’s mother—with whom he dwells 50% of the time—and her friends are thorough awarmists, Green-voters and fervid Abbott-haters.

  84. feelthebern

    Before your time Alfred, but ask Deadman about Bodyline (one of the last great things the Abc produced).
    You can use a line that Douglas Jardine used (changed slightly)
    “Which one of you c*nts called this c*nt a c*nt ?”

  85. Infidel Tiger

    The c-bomb was over the top in a public meeting.

    A lesser crime than lying to kiddies though.

  86. Pickles

    Second generation Cat in trouble with the establishment for using sale yard talk in a public forum. Hats off. You need to come up to Collins St for a liberal party meeting with Nilk Huck and self. My treat.

  87. Brian of Moorabbin

    Deadman, that just sounds like the perfect opportunity for him to hone his debating skills to me…

    Keep up the good work Alfred.

  88. Infidel Tiger

    Pickles, perhaps you could take Alfred’s case up pro bono?

    With luck and you as his brief he’ll be out before his 21st.

  89. Mike of Marion

    Armadillo
    #1195552, posted on February 19, 2014 at 7:03 pm
    The c-bomb was over the top in a public meeting.

    especially as it has been ruled out at the Cat!!!!!!

  90. Brian of Moorabbin

    feelthebern, Douglas Jardine was the English captain.

    I think you’ll find he was the one referred to, and the question was put to the rest of Australian team by W.M. ‘Bill’ Woodfull so as to ‘find’ the culprit… 😉

  91. feelthebern

    Brian, you are right.
    But considering I was only 5 or 6 when I saw it, I’m impressed I can remember it.
    Blue murder was another quality abc production.
    Not many more though.

  92. Stephen of Glasshouse

    Alf..just tell ’em you saw this at the local train station.
    NSFS..

  93. Woodfull was a great cricketer, a great captain (he regained the Ashes twice, after all), and an even greater bloke.

  94. Stephen of Glasshouse

    B of M..the previous post contains vision of people who have self tasered to the head.
    Please ignore

  95. Armadillo

    Must admit, it does reek a bit of Adam Goodes. Sure he’s 17 (not 13), knew what he was saying and they might even afford Deadman the opportunity to be present.

    Provided that Alfred and Deadman don’t hold this ‘Assistant Principal’ in the office under interrogation for over 4 hours, it should all blow over pretty quickly.

  96. Tom

    Good luck, Alfred. Your task is to determine how much this “teacher” wants to expel you and whether you want to accommodate her. If you don’t, apologise to her for swearing in public in a way that may reflect badly on the school and explain you feel passionately about being lied to.

    The result will depend on whether the woman sees herself as a teacher first or primarily as a political activist.

    I’m guessing you dad can do without the aggravation, even though he is proud of the fact that you stood up for yourself.

  97. Brian of Moorabbin

    SoG, looks like it was filmed at Frankston….

    Unsurprsingly they also look like people I’ve had to deal with before (speak like it too….)

  98. Infidel Tiger

    No doubt a letter of apology to the lying Greenist will be expected.

    A fine occasion for satire.

  99. blogstrop

    Focus on the fake 97%, which was 97% of those that could be bothered responding to the survey, IIRC.
    It was 97% of fuck all. But don’t say it in exactly those words!

  100. Brian of Moorabbin

    You Cats have seen the series about the outlaw bikie gang, “Sons of Anarchy” on Foxtel?

    I have it on good authority that mOnty is forming the Australian chapter…… and was recently photographed out and about in his ‘club colours’….

  101. Gab

    You know, we could all be wrong and Alfred The Great could be hauled up becuase he said the 97% was a lie and not becuase he cussed. It is Tasmania after all.

  102. Armadillo

    SOG on the other thread.

    Stephen of Glasshouse
    #1195475, posted on February 19, 2014 at 5:54 pm
    Twitter should be used in a rapier like fashion, not carpet bombing the c word.
    Why is it that the progressive left ( feminists all so I’ve been told ) default to that word at the merest provocation?

    There’s your defence Alfred. Tell them you have been studying Climate Change on twitter. From your detailed observations you thought the c-bomb was totally acceptable (and in fact a commonly used word to put across a point of view) when arguing in a leftist forum. You just thought it was the ‘social convention’.

  103. calli

    Just got back from another gut wrenching ‘Open for Inspection’ on an overpriced dump for my son and his bride, so can only add my appreciation for the SOD. Good work, and a very interesting website.

    As for the Principals of Vice…Bronwen, Dawn, Vanessa and Felix? The poor young gent will struggle to keep a straight face.

    But Gab is right. Apologise nicely for the bad language. That will make them feel good and in control, which is what they want.

  104. egg_

    Twitter should be used in a rapier like fashion, not carpet bombing the c word.
    Why is it that the progressive left ( feminists all so I’ve been told ) default to that word at the merest provocation?

    Didn’t Bolta have a post with Deveny and others using the c-bomb on Twitter?
    What of the feminist wishing male horse sex upon a guy and quoting an anecdotal case where the recipient died?

  105. Gab

    Apologise nicely for the bad language.

    Hang on, I never said he had to apologise of his own volition, only if he was forced to.

    My 17 y.o. son, at a packed electoral meeting in the Town Hall for young people today, could not help himself when Nick McKim brought out the ol’ 97% lie—of the supposed consensus of scientists who support the pseudo-scientific conjecture of AGW—and, when he had the microphone in hand, said “Please stop lying; the 97% statistic if f*cking bullshit, and you f*cking know it, you c*nt.”
    This was, he concedes, a tad rude but The Greens of all people should appreciate the triumph of feelings over rational argument.

    This was a public meeting in a Town Hall so was Alfred wearing his (school)colours or in any way representing the school becuase if not then he is a private citizen and the school has no jurisdiction over what a student says or does outside the school grounds.

  106. Pickles

    He’s 17 IT. Many more years and Universities to go yet. Come to think of it the first bloke I stood up for should be getting out about now.

  107. nic

    I thought I must have stumbled onto the Drum by mistake. Look, the speaker was presumably a guest of the school. Its hardly a good look for the school to have any guest called that. I can’t imagine the school is amused however foolish the speaker may have been in our eyes. Just for some perspective, its no good egging the lad on about the ‘C’ word, when its banned here. My advice, cop it about the use of language, it wasn’t appropriate, say you’ll learn from the experience. If they argue about the 97% bit, be polite and say that you feel passionately and differently about the topic in question based on facts.

  108. Leo G

    According to a report on ABC 7.30, the Manus Island riot was triggered by an interpreter who told detainees that they would not be settled in Australia or New Guinea, when the Australian Government policy was that they may be settled in New Guinea but not in Australia.

  109. calli

    Speed reading will do that to me every time, Gab. I saw the ‘won’t do that again’, followed by the ‘one should learn to pick one’s battles’ (my personal motto, btw). So in callimaths, 1 + 1 = 3.

    Will read more carefully in the future and not verbal commenters.

  110. Gab

    lol Calli, If I sounded harsh on you it was not my intention. Apologies.

  111. johanna

    Why give them what they want? Is that seriously the advice that Cats are giving? Has a mirror site just appeared?

    Listen, these authoritarians have decided to make an example of Alfred. It is up to him what he does about it. But taking the path of least resistance (as some have advocated) is hardly in line with the principles of this site.

    That doesn’t mean that he should self-immolate, but there are other pathways worth considering. At a minimum, if I were his lawyer, I would be very wary about this process, and say nothing.

  112. Grigory M

    Didn’t Bolta have a post with Deveny and others using the c-bomb on Twitter?

    egg_ There was a post on the Cat a week or so ago about it. The Cat’s normal rule banning the use of the ‘c’ word was somewhat relaxed for comments on that post.

  113. Stephen of Glasshouse

    OK Alf..fallback is sudden onset laryngitist plus a “friend” in a suit versed in law..
    The power structure in schools is always teacher as smartest in the room.
    They hate an audience….

  114. Fleeced

    I thought the Cat banning on the word was primarily against people being called the name directly rather than being used in context – but also because words like that play havoc with attracting spambots.

  115. blogstrop

    Richard Marles describes the uploading of asylum seeker personal information to the Immigration department’s website as a terrible thing. More Public Service sabotage?
    And who knows if the info is correct anyway, since it’s “docs overboard”?

  116. Notafan

    Saw the interpreter on 7.30
    What a pity Australian cannot find interpreters who are less likely to undermine Australian interests or even actively cause trouble.
    Important information should be in writing first and only, makes chinese whispers more problematic .

  117. Fleeced

    All this talk of the “forbidden word” reminds me of this discussion.

  118. nic,
    Hobart College has no uniform; students are allowed to wear whatever they want, resulting in lots of exposed underwear, horrible tattoos and visible love handles.
    I would also like to point out that it was not a school forum but a public one presented by “ÿnot” (Youth Network of Tasmania) and open to the public.

  119. Fleeced

    Seems to be not of the VP’s business then – she’s just being a … oh, never mind.

  120. Stephen of Glasshouse

    OK OK..having mulled over this and that..ALF

    It was the push pull factors that forced you into a cut through commentary.
    As a stakeholder, you felt confident enough to address entrenched power structures
    thanks to the debating and linguistic skills that you picked up at the school.

  121. Time for a song? How about some which might demonstrate Alfred’s father’s tolerance of naughty words.
    Caution: both songs, in the tradition of Catullan invective, have really naughty words, and the second one has the big seven:
    (When I say) I’m Sorry”;
    Matt Lauer”.

  122. Armadillo

    Its full circle then Alfred. Tell her your too fucking busy.

  123. Gab

    I would also like to point out that it was not a school forum but a public one presented by “ÿnot” (Youth Network of Tasmania) and open to the public.

    If it had nothing to do with your college and you were not representing the school, then tell your VP to mind her own beeswax.

  124. blogstrop

    Bolt is highlighting (at his blog) and on Steve Price’s 2GB segment tonight, the concerted campaign to demonise the offshore processing which is assisting in stopping the boats.

    As usual, the role of the ABC is obviously to pump this up as far as they can.

  125. Stephen of Glasshouse

    FWIW, went through this shit grade 12 back in the day, having been called out numerous times over the school intercom system to the headmaster office to ” confess” to an incident that I had nothing to do with.
    Was taped over the office intercom etc etc. I finally told the headmaster of a Christian Brothers’ School that I would get legal advice. End of story . Jeez I laugh when I get requests for alumni donations.

  126. Brian of Moorabbin

    Is it too late to link TISM into the discussion?

  127. Fleeced

    Never too late for TISM

  128. johanna

    Apropos of nothing at all, spend a few minutes with the Dream Academy.

    Those little kids playing in freezing temps, and the Salvation Army bands – it was an admirable culture.

    Life in a northern town.

    Must confess to lusting after the lead singer as well.

  129. blogstrop

    Caller to Price/Bolt outlining that the incoming people he’s been involved with while working in the detention centres are economic migrants and capable of stirring up dissent among the various ethnic groups.
    He also said (no surprises here) that most of what the asylum seeker boosters ( you know who they are) tell lies most of the time.
    Then 2GB went dead.

  130. Bruce of Newcastle

    Is it too late to link TISM into the discussion?

    Probably wise not to. I once lent a TISM CD to a lefty friend. Next morning he came into my office, gave it back and said I should’ve warned him…he played it on his living room sound system. Family were quite perturbed, they were. I am very fond of TISM.

  131. Notafan

    Why riot now? Haven’t they long been told not going to Australia under any circumstances since day one of Mr Morrison.
    Did the interpreter misspeak? Or are there agitators firing up the transferees and the locals?

  132. Brian of Moorabbin

    Too late Bruce 😉

  133. Tom

    Well done, Gab, researcher at Price-Bolt. If I had 20 of you, I could run a daily newspaper.

  134. Bruce of Newcastle

    BoM – Mild. I think he hit the wall with track 12 of Machines Against the Rage. He was very lefty.

  135. Gab

    Nah, Tom, you’d only need me 🙂

  136. Cold-Hands

    Alfred, unless you were there in uniform representing Hobart College it is none of their business.

  137. Fleeced

    Public service doing their best to undermine the new government?

    Only takes one or two to cause trouble… though it could just as easily be incompetence.

  138. Rabz

    TISM were frigging awesome.

    I once saw them live in Sleazey Hills around 1990 – I was somewhat tired and emotional after a day in the hot sun playing cricket, but if I remember rightly they were dressed as giant potatoes in silver foil. A true cultural treat it was.

    And Machiavelli and the Four Seasons remains a classic Oz rock album.

  139. johanna

    Cold Hands – even if he was wearing a uniform it is none of their business. What has happened to the Cat?

  140. Rabz

    “Please stop lying; the 97% statistic is f*cking bullshit, and you f*cking know it, you c*nt.”

    I feel to see why anyone should give a shit about some greenfilth dickhead being addressed in such a manner.

    More power to that young person, even if he does hail from that irrelevant isle full of mendicants.

  141. JC

    Anyone up for a stoush? Nicster? You always get angry. Can I ask if you’ve spoken to Lucille recently- the headcase you used to suck up to?

  142. Brian of Moorabbin

    You and I can always discuss the nutritional value of maccas in a working copper’s diet if you like JC 😉

  143. candy

    So the AFP have seized a signed document from Channel Seven outlining an exclusive deal between Mercedes Corby and the network.

    Despite 7 saying there was no deal. It would seem Channel 7 lied?

  144. Fleeced

    Despite 7 saying there was no deal. It would seem Channel 7 lied?

    Did they say there was no deal? Or merely that there was no payment?

  145. Gab

    So the AFP have seized a signed document from Channel Seven outlining an exclusive deal between Mercedes Corby and the network.

    Despite 7 saying there was no deal. It would seem Channel 7 lied?

    What is the problem of having a deal with Mercedes Corby? What law has Seven broken?

  146. Brian of Moorabbin

    So Channel Seven is extending the premis of one of its game shows into its News Office??

    (Deal or No Deal…)

  147. nic

    nic,
    Hobart College has no uniform; students are allowed to wear whatever they want, resulting in lots of exposed underwear, horrible tattoos and visible love handles.
    I would also like to point out that it was not a school forum but a public one presented by “ÿnot” (Youth Network of Tasmania) and open to the public.

    Alfred, thanks for clarifying. Was it an excursion that the school took? If so, they will argue that you were ‘representing’ the school and thus bound by their rules/codes that exist (if any). If it was a public forum that anyone can attend and you weren’t in uniform, as others have said, there’s not much she can say. Best of luck.

  148. Tom

    JC, I think you’ll find that Lucie was an email address that disappeared at the same time as the artist formerly known as Septimus realised he was really a Liars Greenfilth voter.

  149. candy

    New Idea magazine offered a payment. Anyway, it’s on The Australian site, so it’s reliable news.

  150. johanna

    Alfred, I think that I owe you a further and better (as lawyers like to say) explanation of my exhortations to “say nothing”.

    For tactical reasons, it makes sense, as has been explained above.

    But also relevant are the principles of administrative law. Now, I reckon that this kangaroo court would have bugger all standing in the first place. But even if they did, hauling you in front of an ad hoc court and passing judgement is bullshit. You may or may not have broken a school rule. But as long as you say nothing and reserve the right to appeal, they’ve got nothing. And, they know it.

  151. candy

    Caller to Price/Bolt outlining that the incoming people he’s been involved with while working in the detention centres are economic migrants and capable of stirring up dissent among the various ethnic groups.

    Whats his name Rintoul? will be at the centre of all that, is my guess. Fully fledged activism against the federal government’s policies.

  152. Token

    According to a report on ABC 7.30, the Manus Island riot was triggered by an interpreter who told detainees that they would not be settled in Australia or New Guinea,

    Where have I heard this story before?

    A Thursday in Canberra, an union official & Gillard staffer lie to ferals & numpties of humpty town.

    Wha-la the Australia Day Riot & Gingerella enter the Australian lexicon.

    At least that day none of the people who were manipulated died thank goodness.

  153. JC

    JC, I think you’ll find that Lucie was an email address that disappeared at the same time as the artist formerly known as Septimus realised he was really a Liars Greenfilth voter.

    Oh I forgot about him. Mr. What I had for dinner and cheap wine. You reckon they were the same person, yea?

  154. Leo G

    So the AFP have seized a signed document from Channel Seven outlining an exclusive deal between Mercedes Corby and the network. Despite 7 saying there was no deal. It would seem Channel 7 lied?

    Mercedes Corby was not involved in the offence that could be the subject of a proceeds order. The AFP response suggests that the Proceeds of Crime Act may well have a very broad application. If Mercedes Corby is the person who derives the benefit from the commercial exploitation of her sister’s notoriety, can the AFP get a retraining order on that basis?

  155. Token

    But also relevant are the principles of administrative law.

    One suspects the authoritarian VP with get a shock of she tries bullying.

    Who knows, she/he may give Alfred a pat on the back. Skeptics have been found in amazing places of late.

  156. 2dogs

    What is the problem of having a deal with Mercedes Corby? What law has Seven broken?

    From sect 18 of the Criminal Proceeds Confiscation Act 2002:

    Proceeds, in relation to an activity, includes property and
    another benefit derived because of the activity—
    (a) by the person who engaged in the activity; or
    (b) by another person at the direction or request, directly or
    indirectly, of the person who engaged in the activity

  157. Gab

    So no law was broken. Thanks.

  158. Leigh Lowe

    Mercedes and Escort Corby are snookered.
    If she says boo to Channel 7 she is back in the slot.
    Which would be good.

  159. candy

    And Malcolm Turnbull apologised to Channel 7 about it all … now that is a strange thing. He should have referred the call to George Brandis as would be protocol?

  160. Infidel Tiger

    Mercedes and Escort Corby are snookered.
    If she says boo to Channel 7 she is back in the slot.
    Which would be good.

    Hardly. A portion of the loot will have to be spread around amongst the Indo judiciary and a few elders then all will be sweet.

  161. Leo G

    From sect 18 of the Criminal Proceeds Confiscation Act 2002:

    The Criminal Proceeds Confiscation Act (2002) only applies outside Queensland to the extent that the extraterritorial legislative power of the Queensland Parliament allows. The AFP action is under the Commonwealth 2003 Proceeds of Crime legislation.

  162. Leigh Lowe

    And Malcolm Turnbull apologised to Channel 7 about it all … now that is a strange thing. He should have referred the call to George Brandis as would be protocol?

    He claims he did refer it to Brandis but didn’t apologise.
    Actually, on this occasion I believe Malcolm.
    There is a difference between saying “you’re upset about the raid and I’m sorry about that, but you’ll have to talk to Brandis’ office” and apologising (as in admitting wrongdoing).
    I think Malcolm’s Channel 7 mate threw him under a bus.

  163. Fleeced

    I think Malcolm’s Channel 7 mate threw him under a bus.

    More likely he was big-noting himself and it got picked up.

    I can’t stand Malcolm, but his stated position seems not only plausible, but likely.

  164. JC

    Comedian drinking coffee is a internet show about nothing hosted by Jerry Seinfeld. Have a guess what Elaine, the real Elaine Julia Louis-Dreyfus’-net worth. $2.9 Billion! I dunno why they didn’t round it off to a lazy $ 3billion.

  165. twostix

    Sad. But I mean truly.

    When Jane, 56, met Michael, 28, while on holiday in The Gambia, she thought it was true love. But what happened next left her sister fearing she would take her own life…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2561995/When-Jane-56-met-Michael-28-holiday-The-Gambia-thought-true-love-But-happened-left-sister-fearing-life.html

  166. calli

    Biting the hand that feeds them. Cut ’em loose and let them survive on their own merits.

  167. twostix

    I should note the comments section below that article is full of the same sort of 1990’s man hate “all men are pigs!” rubbish that one comes to expect from the aging sisterhood.

    But if one scrolls down on the DM just a wee bit one comes across this infinitely more disturbing story:

    One in ten fathers in Britain have doubts over the paternity of their children

    Figure rises to one in five men in some regions, including the North East

    The “all men are pigs!” sisterhood are conveniently absent from that story.

  168. Honesty

    Ironic the atheist best friend is the Catholic Church. Fidling with children and covering it up you can’t get better PR. It strikes again in Qld. God moves in mysterious ways, but can anyone tell me why he wants his priests to interfere with children?

  169. Michael Hudson

    Just a comment on the post criticizing Peter Minter, Overland’s poetry editor, for comparing Quadrant to a Nazi publication: http://catallaxyfiles.com/2014/01/25/quadrant-and-nazis-same-thing-really-the-taxpayer-pays-for-this/ Les Murray, Quadrant’s poetry editor, famously compared sex to a Nazi: http://www.poetrylibrary.edu.au/poets/murray-les/rock-music-0564008 And in the same book, Killing the Black Dog, he also compared the Left to the Nazis: http://www.poetrylibrary.edu.au/poets/murray-les/a-stage-in-gentrification-0564014 Maybe you should now criticize Murray.

  170. Honesty

    Rudd went too far. Manus Island as a detention centre fair enough, but paying huge amounts to PNG to settle illegal entrants who are mostly Muslim is a step to far for even for me. You have Stone Age, violent, voodoo Christian, head hunting, cannibals that live in the same house as pigs with the pigs value greater than a human doing multiculturalism with musilms it will not work. But it is an excellent deterent thanks to Ricahard Marles and K Rudd.

  171. stackja

    candy
    #1195712, posted on February 19, 2014 at 9:08 pm
    Whats his name Rintoul? will be at the centre of all that, is my guess. Fully fledged activism against the federal government’s policies.

    Whats his name Rintoul? and the Manus riot reminds me of this ALP law

    Crimes Act Amendment (Incitement to Violence) Bill 2005 Circulated by authority of Ms Nicola Roxon MP
    Crimes Act Amendment (Incitement to Violence) Bill 2005
    This Bill will criminalise threats of and incitements to racially or religiously motivated violence.
    Policy rationale
    In order to maintain harmony in a multicultural and multi-religious society, Parliament must send a strong signal that threatening or inciting racial and religious violence is unacceptable. At the same time, law enforcement authorities should have the tools to target the purveyors of hateful, violent messages before, not simply after these messages are turned to action.

    Should the AFP investigate Manus Incitement to Violence?

  172. Leigh Lowe

    The asylum-shoppers made a massive misjudgement that only the truly insane will repeat.
    They thought it was Christmas Island where, if they start rattling the cage, security cowers in the barricaded lunch-room until they trash the fucking place and get filmed with their banners on the roof.
    They weren’t expecting any defence.
    They certainly weren’t expecting retaliation with extreme prejudice when the reinforcements comprising six-foot-square locals arrived.

  173. Leigh Lowe

    As of today, Manus Island would have to be the only lock-up on the planet where the inmates …. er, sorry, clients … patrol the perimeter and report any holes in the fence to the screws.

  174. Honesty

    LL +1 the perimeter must be secure no-one wants to get out.

  175. Leo G

    Armed PNG locals behind vicious attack on Manus Island, or an interpreter?

  176. Infidel Tiger

    Comedian drinking coffee is a internet show about nothing hosted by Jerry Seinfeld. Have a guess what Elaine, the real Elaine Julia Louis-Dreyfus’-net worth. $2.9 Billion! I dunno why they didn’t round it off to a lazy $ 3billion.

    She’s not worth that money yet. Her dear rich old dad has to croak it first.

    She’s also a typical Hollywood liberal. Pity.

  177. Infidel Tiger

    When Jane, 56, met Michael, 28, while on holiday in The Gambia, she thought it was true love. But what happened next left her sister fearing she would take her own life…

    Rhonda better watch out for Ketut.

  178. JC

    She’s not worth that money yet. Her dear rich old dad has to croak it first.

    Pedant. He’s not going to live forever.

    I recall when the show broke up she was quite vociferous that Jerry and Larry David weren’t sharing any of the loot. What a greedy wench.

  179. Driftforge

    ou have Stone Age, violent, voodoo Christian, head hunting, cannibals that live in the same house as pigs with the pigs value greater than a human doing multiculturalism with musilms it will not work

    As long as they thoroughly split up the imports, it should work better there than anywhere I can imagine.

  180. Leigh Lowe

    Armed PNG locals behind vicious attack on Manus Island, or an interpreter?

    She’s been there a week.
    By her own admission she has intervened twice in matters that interpreters need to stay the fuck out of.
    She got the arse from the job for same. She says this was on Tuesday, but likely that this was when it was formalised. I’ll bet she was sent home on Monday when she started sticking her nose into security matters with suspension taking formal effect on Tuesday.
    Shitfight erupts Monday night.
    Join the dots.

  181. Leigh Lowe

    Perhaps Manus Island should change it’s name to Man-up Island.
    It seems they don’t take shit from anyone.

  182. Mike of Marion

    Leigh Lowe
    #1195817, posted on February 19, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    Almost subversive actions by this EX APS ‘clerical assistant’

  183. DrBeauGan

    Alfred, I look forward to your report. The advice from Johanna and Gab is wise and realistic, that from IT and others funny but not altogether practical perhaps.
    A few observations: your dad is highly intelligent and well respected on the cat which has some very able people on it. If you have anything like his brains, you will be a lot smarter than your interlocutor. Your job therefore is to manage her not argue with her. Second, any case they might have for requiring you to conform to school regulations in a public space is very weak. Third, many people suffer from linguistic taboos: you are under no obligation to respect them but you may find it convenient to simulate doing so when in management mode. Finally, Great is Truth and mighty above all things!
    Stand up for what is right and examine your conscience regularly and you will be bulletproof.

  184. candy

    Almost subversive actions by this EX APS ‘clerical assistant’

    Activist, friend of Rintoul etc, is my guess.

  185. Gab

    Ms Bokan says she had been employed by the department for 12 months and had been on Manus for a week.

    And yet on her Linkedin profile she says she’s been employed by the department for 2 years and 2 months. So what else is she lying about?

  186. Leigh Lowe

    Activist, friend of Rintoul etc, is my guess.

    Is that the spelling?
    I’d only ever heard him mentioned on radio and, in my minds eye, I spelled it “Ring-Tool”.
    Unsure why I made that error.

  187. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From twostix at 9:58 pm:

    “Sad. But I mean truly.

    When Jane, 56, met Michael, 28, while on holiday in The Gambia, she thought it was true love. …”

    I laughed ’til I stopped!

    Have they not seen a TV special or read a newspaper in their wasted 50 plus years of void brain space and vacant expressions, or listened to the other overweight lard yabbering about the African scams from the next hairdresser’s chair?

    The stupid cows really ought to surrender their right to vote.

    Little wonder Great Britain ain’t so great any more.

  188. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Gabrielle at 10:48 pm:

    ” Ms Bokan says she had been employed by the department for 12 months and had been on Manus for a week.

    And yet on her Linkedin profile she says she’s been employed by the department for 2 years and 2 months. So what else is she lying about?”

    They fair dinkum swarm like locusts these illegals industry employee / contractor / consultants. It’d have to be the only game in the country still employing people – what does one do to get such an easy gig? Turn up at the Commonwealth Employment Service, announce “Abbott666” and find a job offer instantly thrust forward?

    Further what’s with this “I’m a witness!” thing she’s got going?

    “Where were you at the time?”

    “Oh, around the corner but I heard the car crash.”

    She didn’t see anyone hit anyone. She was in the hospital when the injured turned up.

    One trusts some public service manager does his job by pointing first at the contract clause stating “No speaky to media, okay?” and then pointing to the exit.

  189. Motelier

    Forgive me for this.

    This is an article in the local rag of our northern motel. Times are tough, but we are economising where possible and while our staff are complaining like hell about the reduced hours, they are working with us.

    This quote is from the article.

    Capricorn Enterprise Chief Executive, Mary Carroll yesterday said she and her staff members were aware some months ago that the managers were moving “south” to be with family.

    “However, we made the assumption that (the managers) sold the management rights,” Ms Carroll said.

    “The issue surrounding this closure is now squarely in the hands of the owners. ……… Ms Carroll said it was in the best interests of Rockhampton visitors to urgently find out what was going on because it had been a popular spot.

    People like Ms Carroll are the CEO’s of your local Tourism Board and your local Business Investment Board. They really have their feet on the ground. They make “assumptions”. Her quote is of the completely unaware “I know nothing!” statement. People like this get paid by your taxes and our membership fees.

    BOTH OF OUR MOTELS REFUSE TO PAY MEMBERSHIP FEES TO TOURISM ASSOCATIONS AND BOARDS. In fact I was asked to nominate for a committee postion on the local tourism board a few years back, and politely sent a letter of refusal, quoting “Groucho Marx”, “I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member”.

    Businesses in CQ took a hike south when TLS made a statement in Feb 2013, that an election would be held in Sept of 2013. Well the TLS got that right. The election date that is.

    However the combination of

    1. The early election call.
    2. The introduction of the RET
    3. The Carbon Tax.

    And the seemingly inability of the current SENATE to pass legislation.

    And the complete inability of the present Local, State and Federal Governments to get the economy going and sort out the financial mess they are in is really getting up my nose, and, destroying small businesses around the regional areas of Australia.

    This is no longer a regional problem.

    The inability or reluctance of Business Boards around Australia to actually do the fight for their Business Base is absolutely astounding.

    I believe it is probably because each Business Board has some form of Government funding. Because of that Government funding they are reluctant to critisise any form of Government.

    We should start from the top of all Business Boards and Bodies. Can anyone name me a CEO of a Business Board or Body that should hold their position?

    Sack. Them. All.

    As Rabz would say.

    Forgive me please.

  190. Splatacrobat

    The c-bomb was over the top in a public meeting.

    Yes I agree. A thrown sandwich would have sufficed. That could have been explained in the words of TLS as “Well I do sort of sympathise because it was just a little act of hijinx”.

    I agree with the other advice for you meeting:
    Say nothing. If you do speak ramp up the swearing and blame it on your recently diagnosed Tourettes. Then ask the school to provide facilities to help manage your new condition. A sound proof room should be cheaper than wheelchair ramps and toileting facilities for guide dogs. They won’t dare admonish someone with a disability.
    Attend the meeting with a support person. If you can’t get this guy your dad will work well.
    Record the meeting. Preferably with one of these. The bigger the better.

  191. We train young men to drop fire on people. But their commanders won’t allow them to write “fuck” on their airplanes because it’s obscene! Colonel Walter E. Kurtz in Apocalypse Now

  192. .

    Alfred

    Ideally you could tell her she can kiss your arse and apologise for using the school as a bully pulpit, but I don’t think this is realistic.

    Unfortunately you might have to suck the proverbial. You can’t win at schools. Moronic teachers actually have legitimacy.

    Then if she thinks cunnt is unacceptable, ask her what she thinks of FEMEN…?

  193. Leo G

    Let’s trust that the Commonwealth “Hotel” isn’t the next such mystery.

  194. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    JC, I think you’ll find that Lucie was an email address that disappeared at the same time as the artist formerly known as Septimus realised he was really a Liars Greenfilth voter.

    Izzat really so, Tom? Why am I so trusting?

    But no, I still think they were real. They both disappeared though, Septimus taking umbrage at Doomlord’s disapproval of his wittery-wet commenting, and Lucie giving up because she couldn’t end her breast-fetish and other tropes with JC. I don’t think Sept could have ‘done’ the Lucie persona.

    Maybe you have ‘insider’ knowledge that I somehow missed.

    Now, Alfred. Good advice from Gab and Johanna and Dr. BeauGan. Additionally, some useful ammunition for other approaches you may decide to pursue has been proffered in ready supply here. Language, as your august father will confirm, is a moveable feast: contextual and never fixed. Admit nothing, no apologies, just state this linguistic fact (twitter is evidential here), and reaffirm your surprise that such arrant nonsense about climatic matters (reference supplied) was being given serious consideration without some circuit-breaker in operation (that was you). Inform them of your ambition to join the Liberal Party and make a serious career for yourself in political life in Tasmania with your aim eventually to assist institutions such as the Hobart College to thrive and prosper in the New Tasmania.

    That should shut them up.

    Deadman – I too am raising children where 50% of their time is spent amongst serious intellectual (and thus conflicted and confused) lefties. It is never easy; my sympathies. My own ‘ex’, Gab, while being these days a reflective and helpful fellow, could thus never be trusted to see the inside of my internet ramblings. He would have a heart attack, which would not be a good outcome for either of us.

  195. .

    Unfortunately Alfred, and this is no insult to the good teachers out there, but after you leave school you will realise some fools excel in administration as teachers as they are competent when no one can question their decision, such questioning is dissent etc.

    They can’t cut it outside of a system where they are not granted legitimacy and in the real world where they must argue on merit.

  196. twostix #1195774, posted on February 19, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    One in ten fathers in Britain have doubts over the paternity of their children

    Figure rises to one in five men in some regions, including the North East

    I seem to recall that the numbers in the USA are approx 1 in 4 kids are not dad’s and in AUS it’s 1 in 5

  197. Can you imagine the response to an audit of children’s parentage!

  198. .

    To be honest I’m wondering if the correct response for Alfred was “no, there will be no meeting. I hope you have a lovely evening…bye”…?

  199. Armadillo

    People like this get paid by your taxes and our membership fees.

    BOTH OF OUR MOTELS REFUSE TO PAY MEMBERSHIP FEES TO TOURISM ASSOCATIONS AND BOARDS.

    Seems to be a bit contradictory Mote. And the link you provides adds more confusion. I do recall you talking about air conditioners a couple of weeks back though.

  200. Splatacrobat

    I seem to recall that the numbers in the USA are approx 1 in 4 kids are not dad’s and in AUS it’s 1 in 5

    It is a wise child who knows its own father.

  201. Motelier

    Armadillo,

    I can not see the confusion. The CEO of CQ Tourism missed this happening.

    This is not us by the way.

  202. Motelier

    The issue I have posted is about the complete inability of local CEO’s of local boards to keep a close eye on the business happenings in their domain.

  203. Armadillo

    This is not us by the way.

    Ahh….I see said the blind man to his deaf son.

  204. .

    Wisely you agree Grigory, I have wisdom and hindsight here.

    Agreeing to fight on the enemy’s terms. No deal I sez.

  205. Motelier

    Ahh….I see said the blind man to his deaf son.

    Armadillo,

    Forgive me, it is late at night for me, Yes I did see this happening, we prepared for it, we are cutting costs, and we are still open for business.

    My intention was that the CEO of CQ Tourism had no idea about what was happening in her little block of turf.

    ]

  206. Armadillo

    My intention was that the CEO of CQ Tourism had no idea about what was happening in her little block of turf.

    I actually do get it. I’d imagine every pissant council in Australia has it’s own little ‘Tourism Thing’ going on at taxpayer expense. It’s stuff all help to the actual businesses who rely on actual tourists when other factors have a much larger impact (as you have explained about the dollar, costs infrastructure and so on in previous posts). The fact that all these council/state/federal employees are getting paid each week regardless of the business climate must grate. When they are incompetent, it must grate even further.

  207. 1. The early election call.
    2. The introduction of the RET
    3. The Carbon Tax.
    …..financial mess ….. destroying small businesses ……regional areas of Australia.
    This is no longer a regional problem.

    You betcha. Currently 15% of my rooms are closed down, because I’m not prepared to pay the price of re-gassing the air conditioning in them.

    For those who can’t read for comprehension, this means I am choosing to forgo any overnight tariff, for the foreseeable future, rather than pay the cost of putting new gas in the air conditioning.

  208. JC

    For those who can’t read for comprehension, this means I am choosing to forgo any overnight tariff, for the foreseeable future, rather than pay the cost of putting new gas in the air conditioning.

    Explain?

  209. DrBeauGan

    You have a case, dot. But I figure it could be a useful learning experience for Alfred. I agree he is not obliged to see her, but it might be interesting. And of course he can get up and walk out any time.
    Fundamental principle of the Aussie way: don’t take shit from anyone. Looks like he’s already got that sorted. 🙂

  210. Motelier

    I actually do get it.

    Look around you local area, local, state and federal governments have a federally funded board or committee.

    My quote about not being on a committee is based on the fact that if they want me then they think they can sway me.

    I have been on committees before, but I had to do the “pleading for votes thingy”.

  211. Motelier

    Steve,

    Restore the rooms now, but find the best value for money quote in regards to the aircon quote. Then pull the linen out, and all other consumables. Make sure the room is ready to be returned to service in 15 minutes.

    I do know where you are coming from but you have to be prepared for the unexpected.

  212. Armadillo

    forgo any overnight tariff, for the foreseeable future, rather than pay the cost of putting new gas in the air conditioning.

    Makes no sense SATP.

  213. Makes no sense SATP.

    Means the cost of refrigeratnt gas is too high (thank you carbon tax)

  214. Motelier

    I’d imagine every pissant council in Australia has it’s own little ‘Tourism Thing’ going on at taxpayer expense.

    Yes and the relevant small/medium business has to pay a fee to be a member. I pay taxes and am not listed with them, but I get their emails about what they are doing.

    The fact that they missed this closure and the true and proper reasons behind it are unbelievable.

    Seriously, should anyone in a PS position be paid over 30K a year?

  215. JC

    Means the cost of refrigeratnt gas is too high (thank you carbon tax)

    There’s no black market in the stuff? Surely there would be by now.

  216. Makka

    “but paying huge amounts to PNG to settle illegal entrants who are mostly Muslim is a step to far for even for me. ”

    Rudd did a deal with quite possibly the most corrupt pollie in the South Pacific. Tens of millions of dollars exchanging hands, plenty of it offshore. Now, far be it from me to think Mrs and mr Rudd could be involved in any of that hanky panky….

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/companies-scent-offshore-gold-20130802-2r4rf.html

  217. Motelier

    People,

    Here is your refrigerant gas in true financial life.

    And if you travel for work or play you are paying for this.

    Bar fridges, those thingy’s that are usually located in most Hotel/Motel rooms, are now up to 75 mm taller than they where in January 2013. 75 mm is not much to think about, however we have to now refurbish each room in each motel to accommodation that change. Best quote so far is 8,500 per room.

    Thank god we have all new fridges in each motel atm. But if a fridge, thanks to the TLS, we are down the tube by 8,500.

    Will Labor get my vote. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

    NO

  218. Motelier

    accommodation delete and replace with accommodate

    That was me

  219. Armadillo

    Means the cost of refrigeratnt gas is too high (thank you carbon tax)

    I realise the cost went through the roof. Did you mean to say something other than ‘air conditioning’? What doesn’t make sense is that would affect 15% of rooms and not the other 85%. Are you talking a about fridges?

  220. Gab

    Nobody takes Dolly Shorten seriously, especially not Bill Leak.

  221. Motelier

    Armadillo,

    Here is a quick and shortened explanation that is meant without offence.

    Air Con systems rely on the ability of a number of factors to remove heat from a room. The heat is transferred from the room to the outside by the air-conditioning system.

    The capacity of the compressor, evaporator, and condenser all have some factor in this.

    But the ability of the refrigerant gas to absorb gas is the biggest factor.

    Oh by the way, it is my belief that all refrigerant gasses no have a “CO2” rating.

    If the newer gasses have a lower heat rating, then the compressor, evaporator and condenser have to be bigger.

    We have replaced like for like air-cons and fridges and in all cases now the external dimensions are about 15% larger.

    Fine , but all of our air-cons mountings are made to fit.

    So a replacement aircon, 700.00 bucks, turns in to a 2100 dollar cost after it is fitted.

    TLS should be sued by every small business owner in Australia.

  222. Motelier

    Armadillo

    Sorry for my spellos

    Oh by the way, it is my belief that all refrigerant gasses should not have a “CO2? rating.

    I am passionate about this.

  223. Motelier

    Anyhow,
    I do need to go to bed,
    breakfast is at 6
    and then I drive to the southern motel to give Mrs M a bit of a break.

    Play hard and play save people.

  224. Armadillo

    Here is a quick and shortened explanation that is meant without offence.

    That’s all well and good Mote, but does little to explain SATP’s point about not renting out 15% of his rooms.

  225. Dan

    .
    #1195904, posted on February 19, 2014 at 11:35 pm
    To be honest I’m wondering if the correct response for Alfred was “no, there will be no meeting. I hope you have a lovely evening…bye”…?

    Bah!

    Never say no to an argument. The wine is drawn, it must be drunk!

    In response to other advice

    Don’t say your passionate about whatever. That’s fucking lefty talk. To wit; Passionate about education, NBN, NHHN, climate change, welcome to country

    It’s highly probable that teach is pissed because it (the use of corkage) reflects poorly on her and her school. State that this was not your intention, however…. Leave the conversation hanging there. Don’t directly apologise. Be a prick about that

    If she says she is disappointed in you, say you feel sorry for her feeling that way. In a condescending way. Get her riled. If she cracks, great. You can say that it’s not real nice to be talked down to.

    Blue tie. Check your watch constantly

  226. C.L.

    Australia must build a similar monument – perhaps down the road from the Unnamed Drowned 2007-2013 memorial.

  227. twostix

    For fuck sake will these cocks stop this shit?

    THE Abbott government has hit back at Facebook and Google amid a growing political storm over regulation of the internet, insisting parents need tough legal sanctions within months to prevent children from being bullied online.

    Putting the social media giants on notice, the government has rejected the industry argument that it can regulate itself amid community complaints to Coalition MPs that calls to remove damaging material are being ignored.

    So this is what a “conservative” government does ay? Wages war on the Internet living up to every stereotype and caricature of conservatives that the left present them as in popular culture.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-stands-up-to-cyber-giants-on-bullying/story-fn59niix-1226832114621#

    Oh and Tony Abbott, the most powerful person in the country isn’t “standing up to” internet companies, he’s bullying and intimidating them before he sticks a gun in their face and tells them to comply with his wishes.

    The utter wankery of the political commentary in this country is beyond a joke.

  228. twostix

    It also almost goes without saying that the laws being jerked off to by News Ltd are about 50,000 times more censorious and illiberal than the Finklestein regime that the ALP was proposing be enforced on News Ltd et al and that there’s more than a little bit of vested interest by the fussy old media in having Internet “giants” choked by these laws, given the whinging that they’ve done about them.

  229. Fisky

    I think the real reason for the Victims of Communism monument, aside from causing division on the Left, is ethnic outreach. Note that it’s being overseen by the Canadian Immigration Minister.

    It’s a terrific idea for Australia, too. Good conversation starter with ethnic communities that will almost certainly cause Leftist head explosions.

  230. C.L.

    Morrison triumph:

    Asylum flow to Indonesia slashed, says UN.

    AUSTRALIA’S crackdown on boatpeople has slashed the number of asylum-seekers arriving in Indonesia, new UN refugee agency data shows.

    Monthly applications for asylum-seeker registration handled by the UN High Commissioner for Refugees office in Jakarta — overwhelmingly the busiest in Indonesia — dropped 71 per cent between February 2013 and last month.

    I have rightly called OSB the greatest public policy amelioration in the last 50 years.

    What this data also proves without a shadow of credible statistical doubt is that 1) Rudd and Gillard deliberately killed people when a solution was always obvious; and 2) there is no overwhelming “push factor” beyond the control of the would-be destination country. This was a complete lie. We are talking about theworst act of negligent manslaughter in peacetime.

  231. twostix

    Business:

    Parents should take out government subsidised loans to put their children in daycare.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/offer-hecsstyle-loans-to-ease-childcare-costs-acci/story-fn59niix-1226832103314#

    I can guarantee that shortly, perhaps even under this “conservative” David Cameroneque government that the government will directly fund the daycare industry (possibly even cajoling the states into extending the public school system to cover “early learning”, as is the intention anyway). And then it’s compulsory “early learning “here we come. Bolsheviks everywhere look on in awe.

  232. C.L.

    As I wrote last week:

    The left is trying to create a childcare “profession” as part of the broader scheme to pedagogically legitimise school for toddlers and criminalise conventional motherhood.

    They do have a problem, though. The cost of paying these female childcare “professionals” is interfering with this propaganda project’s viability. That’s why the Emily’s List left is edging towards a totally new state school system for babies. Which, of course, they will conceptually staple on to the existing state school system proper. And voila: K15 … compulsory.

  233. twostix

    I think the real reason for the Victims of Communism monument, aside from causing division on the Left, is ethnic outreach. Note that it’s being overseen by the Canadian Immigration Minister.

    Surely the Vietnamese community would welcome such a thing here in Australia.

    We should have a museum too focusing on Australian leftist’s role in communism in the 20th century, particularly their response to refugees fleeing communist killing fields arriving on our shores. Like this lovely reception they were given by leftists.

  234. Oh come on

    According to wiki, her old bloke’s worth $3.4 bill. Trouble is he has three kids to split it between. So unless Elaine’s done some dastardly deed to cut her siblings out of their inheritence, I think Elaine will have to settle for a third of her father’s wealth when he finally pops his clogs..

  235. twostix

    The left is trying to create a childcare “profession” as part of the broader scheme to pedagogically legitimise school for toddlers and criminalise conventional motherhood.

    They do have a problem, though. The cost of paying these female childcare “professionals” is interfering with this propaganda project’s viability. That’s why the Emily’s List left is edging towards a totally new state school system for babies. Which, of course, they will conceptually staple on to the existing state school system proper. And voila: K15 … compulsory.

    I’m not sure if it will work though.

    According to the stats last time I looked, despite the ravings of the daycare industry and leftists, kids in daycare are a minority. Kids in long term daycare an even smaller minority than that. “Only” 25% of 0-4 year olds or something.

    Note too that there’s a lot of dishonesty in the stats:
    1: They often conflate grandparents looking after children with “daycare”.
    2: They make no distinction about how much “care” the grandparents gives. If the kid’s over visiting for an hour a week that kid’s included in the stats as a child in a “child care arrangement” and so folded into the stats when “X number of children in daycare” numbers are reported .

    From what I can see, at worst, over 50% of children will never step foot in a daycare before they start school.

  236. dover_beach

    This is absolutely nauseating:

    Harris-Perry already had one child. But she just felt like going and getting another kid with a surrogate. Sure, why not? Why not just buy a kid and treat another woman like a breeding animal?

    And this comes from the woman who reacted to criticism by saying, “in this country, my ancestors’ children were taken from their mothers and given to white men for profit…” I guess it’s okay if it’s a black woman buying the child and reducing another woman to chattel.

    What an inglorious hypocrite.

    Indeed.

  237. twostix

    Oh and a third point: there’s a lot of parents who put their kids in daycare for a day a week, or a few hours a day but really don’t need to. They’re simply treating it like a government funded baby sitter. Quite a few stay at home mums around here do to “get a break” from their one child. Also a lot who take on vanity jobs for a day a week because they’re “bored”. The point is that without the child care rebate (up to 50% of the cost) it would not be anywhere near cost effective for them to use daycares like they do. And in doing so they’re shouldering out the single mother who needs daycare so she can work 5 days a week and the poorer family who need two incomes.

  238. dover_beach

    Sorry, the above is from English Manif.

  239. Blogstrop

    Greece has returned a surplus budget for the first time since 1948.

    Australia used to do that, before a bunch of idiots and saboteurs convinced the voters to elect the (only shortly before) unelectable zombie left party.

  240. Bruce of Newcastle

    Strop – That is the tiniest light of success in a Greek ocean of misery, corruption and tax evasion. The Troika is back and another bailout is required – whether German voters will stomach that or rebel is a very interesting question.

    And while in the neighbourhood, AEP has a good article on Turkey today:

    Turkey spoils emerging market story as politics go haywire

    Discussions with officials from six different EU states left me in shock. Most think Mr Erdogan will stop at little to hold onto power.

    Erdogan being tinpot dictator is no surprise – what is surprising is the EU weenies have suddenly noticed this. Usually they waffle forever, like with the Iran ‘negotiations’.

    More interesting times to come.

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