Open Forum: March 22, 2014

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  1. Fleeced

    No mention of God, but it has a strong environmental message. How delightful. I’m surprised the movie doesn’t have Noah pair up animals of the same gender… then again, I haven’t seen it – maybe it does?

  2. So, Noah build an ark because of climate change bringing rainfall?

  3. twostix

    She was upset about the little dears’ sleep problems and self-harming but what was most distressing was the poor state of the education facilities. Huh?

    Meanwhile hundreds of children drowned under Labor thanks to “compassionate” policies she and the left foisted onto the nation and what did we hear at the time?

    *crickets*

  4. politichix

    00h Clive “just call me Slim” Palmer just asked a question about WA GST distribution in QT. Cats way ahead of the game on that discussion . . .

  5. Fleeced

    00h Clive “just call me Slim” Palmer just asked a question about WA GST distribution in QT

    Wonder why he didn’t ask that prior to Tassie and SA elections. LOL

  6. C.L.

    The Noah hype cavalcade continues full force ahead of this week’s US and Australian release, with an early review calling it “vital and audacious” amid continuing outrage from Christian groups…

    As reviews start to emerge, the Hollywood Reporter’s critic Todd McCarthy was full of praise for the $160 million biblical epic. He said it pushed “aggressive environmentalism”, which completely omitted any mention of the name “God” altogether.

    So it’s a load of crap not worth watching. What a surprise.

  7. JC

    He said it pushed “aggressive environmentalism”,

    Lol…Tubbsie Milne, Adam Beta-Ant and Stalina Rhiannon have starring roles?

  8. full of praise for the $160 million biblical epic. He said it pushed “aggressive environmentalism”, which completely omitted any mention of the name “God” altogether.

    Is this going to set a precedent for Hollywood to produce more bible stories without God?

  9. Dan

    Is Paul Barry responding to your twitter bait JC?

  10. Infidel Tiger

    Rust Crowe tried to invite the Pope to watch Noah with him.

    To his credit the Pope told Rusty to go forth and multiply.

  11. C.L.

    Fairfax and ABC featuring LIVE tweets and coverage of George Pell at the RC.

    Still no word on a senior Labor figure’s travails with the police.

  12. Senile Old Guy

    Is this going to set a precedent for Hollywood to produce more bible stories without God?

    Only if it makes lots of money.

  13. twostix

    As reviews start to emerge, the Hollywood Reporter’s critic Todd McCarthy was full of praise for the $160 million biblical epic. He said it pushed “aggressive environmentalism”, which completely omitted any mention of the name “God” altogether.

    It feels like the left after so much success co-opting the hierarchy of now-defunct “churches” have well and turned their attention to co-opting bible stories. I think they’ve given themselves permission to like Christianity again, but it’s going to have to be re-arranged first.

    Witness multiple claims recently that Jesus supports abortion & gay marriage, the Scott Morrison office affair, and a general increase in leftists claiming to go to church in comment sections of newspapers.

  14. Geriatric Mayfly

    I give in Dover_Beach. Yes, I go to the Brompton Oratory for the free concert.

  15. Combine_Dave

    Rust Crowe tried to invite the Pope to watch Noah with him.

    To his credit the Pope told Rusty to go forth and multiply.

    I asked Tony Abbott if this really happened, but he said “no”.

  16. JC

    Dan

    Once he did. He couldn’t take it anymore. You know they all eventually reply to me. It’s a gift I was handed by the heavenly father to be incessantly irritating to leftwing arseholes. It’s like picking a scab…. Eventually you hit raw flesh and blood seeps out.

  17. Roger

    I’m afraid a lot of Leftists do go to church, twostix.
    You’ll especially find them in the Uniting and Roman Catholic churches and among the clergy of the Anglican Church. They are particularly strong on the Old Testament prophets but fail to make the hermeneutical shift from Israel’s theonomic political system to our pluralistic, democratic polity, resulting in grievous misapplications of scripture in sermons and official “statements” on economic policy which, if adopted, would lead to even more of the poverty they claim to dislike so much. I often wonder if Leftism hasn’t become an ersatz religion for them.

  18. Witness multiple claims recently that Jesus supports abortion & gay marriage, the Scott Morrison office affair, and a general increase in leftists claiming to go to church in comment sections of newspapers.

    And those anti-Abbott signs in front of the Uniting (as if that’s not divisive) Church…

  19. official “statements” on economic policy which, if adopted, would lead to even more of the poverty they claim to dislike so much.

    and their boatpeople policy will also lead to more boatpeople arrivals…

  20. I asked Tony Abbott if this really happened, but he said “no”.

    What did he say not really happened? The invitation or what the Pope said?

  21. dover_beach

    No mention of God, but it has a strong environmental message. How delightful. I’m surprised the movie doesn’t have Noah pair up animals of the same gender… then again, I haven’t seen it – maybe it does?

    It betrays a rampant homophobia, Fleeced. GLAAD, what say you?

  22. Combine_Dave

    What did he say not really happened? The invitation or what the Pope said?

    I am not sure how the Honorable Tony Abbott can square his own faith and Catholicism with the fact that the Pope is a South American Socialist 😛

  23. calli

    I’m trying to imagine a Church that only contained right wingers and libertarians, but I can’t. Best that all are welcome.

    As for the dumb signs, it’s a great way to turn people away…even better than anything with the three letter ‘s’ word…(no, the other three letter ‘s’ word). St Barney’s at Broadway had the best sign…doing battle with pub across the street, and all in good humour and wit. Political stuff…meh.

  24. tomix

    There’s plenty of good material in the Old Testament. Wouldn’t mind seeing the days of King Ahab, with Angelina Jolie as Jezebel.

  25. Evan Almighty is better. It’s easy to ignore its rampant environmentalism because the portrayal of God by Morgan Freeman is so on the mark.

  26. Stephen of Glasshouse

    Any word as to which Noah character carried syphilis, ebola etc on board? Always wondered who drew that short straw..

  27. calli

    Wouldn’t mind seeing the days of King Ahab, with Angelina Jolie as Jezebel.

    I understand that the palms of her hands were not as tasty as the rest of her. That takes care of Jolie…who would you cast as Ahab? 🙂

  28. tomix

    That’s the hard one The ghost of Warren Oates….?

  29. pete m

    My brother met Jolie at Brisbane Airport, said she was stunningly beautiful (he had no tickets on her and expected her to be quite average looking in person after a long flight, so was shocked).

  30. I’m afraid a lot of Leftists do go to church

    Many of them actually don’t believe in God, but would happily use the name of God to belt those on the Right

    Just like those who don’t believe in marriage would call for same sex marriage

  31. Roger

    No problem with Leftys in church, Calli, so long as they don’t twist the scriptures.

  32. I’m afraid a lot of Leftists do go to church, twostix.

    You’re new here, aren’t you, Roger?

    [facepalm]

  33. Roger

    Please explain, Philippa…

  34. I think you may be trying to teach your grandparents to suck eggs, that’s all …

  35. Stephen of Glasshouse

    Fleeced..get a beagle. You get to throw the stick once, and admire their little white tipped tail as they keep running..

  36. Infidel Tiger

    In my experience the biggest lefty in every church always manages to obtain the position of musical director and then sets about butchering every Carols by Candle Light by adding a rap to Silent to Night or an extended guitar solo to Little Drummer Boy.

  37. Roger

    twostix made a remark about Leftys “claiming” to go to church.
    Just setting him straight – they don’t just claim, they do go! Got it?

  38. calli

    No problem with Leftys in church, Calli, so long as they don’t twist the scriptures.

    That’s what I would call an equal opportunity occupation, Roger.

  39. Roger

    a rap to Silent to Night or an extended guitar solo to Little Drummer Boy

    I.T.

    That’s usually the point when I walk out and resolve never to darken that particular church doorstep again.

  40. This Roger person is definitely new around here, isn’t he?

  41. Tom

    Third attempt to try to bamboozle the increasingly weird InSincerator: how are you, Lizzie? Have you floated away yet?

  42. Gab

    Don’t bother asking the Roger any questions, he never answers them. On the upside, he’s an excellent tap dancer.

  43. James – tiny question – why does your name link to the UWA website?

  44. Roger

    Agreed, calli. The church always comes of second best when it allows itself to be manipulated for worldly political ends. Let the minister stick to preaching the Gospel and let his listeners draw their own conclusions as to its application to their political lives.

  45. politichix

    An interesting little collation of news stories, videos etc. The video titled Sarah Hanson-Young (Australia’s Dumbest Politician) is chuckle worthy.

  46. Roger

    Care to dance, Gab?

    Philippa, what with your paranoia about newbies?

  47. Don’t bother asking the Roger any questions, he never answers them. On the upside, he’s an excellent tap dancer.

    I’m glad to hear it. I like the use of the definite article too. ‘The Roger’. It has a certain Donald Trump-esque flourish to it.

    Thing is, Gab, he’s probably quite human and probably on our side, but he is just a tad uncouth and has not yet learned his Cat manners. We must be patient.

  48. Roger

    Actually, Gab, I answered JC’s question several times over and quite clearly, but please let’s not drag that over here!

  49. .

    Roger
    #1236710, posted on March 24, 2014 at 2:53 pm
    I’m afraid a lot of Leftists do go to church, twostix.
    You’ll especially find them in the Uniting and Roman Catholic churches and among the clergy of the Anglican Church. They are particularly strong on the Old Testament prophets but fail to make the hermeneutical shift from Israel’s theonomic political system to our pluralistic, democratic polity, resulting in grievous misapplications of scripture in sermons and official “statements” on economic policy which, if adopted, would lead to even more of the poverty they claim to dislike so much. I often wonder if Leftism hasn’t become an ersatz religion for them.

    The only lefties in the Catholic church were the youth workers and schoolteachers.

    After Rudd and Gillard, Australian Catholics don’t trust the ALP. Why do you think we elected a Catholic, LNP PM and the DLP made a comeback.

    The more enlightened ones follow the LDP (yes, LDP) anyway.

  50. James – tiny question – why does your name link to the UWA website?

    Because my comments would not appear if I link to Hotmail or yahoo.

  51. politichix

    ummm website is optional

  52. Gab

    Unanswered questions by Roger today, so far: 3.

    Two above from Philippa and one from JC.

    I rest my case.

  53. Roger

    I can only hope that is true dot. For too long the Roman Catholic church was the Labour Party at prayer. I think you may be too optimistic, though. Most of the bishops seem conservative enough, but we know few of the laity listen to them!

  54. .

    The true hallmark of a left wing moonbeam, whinger and environmental zealot (and uber wanker) is that they follow South Sydney.

    There, I said it.

    I have no idea why you freaks have invaded Balmain and Leichardt.

  55. calli

    On the subject of dancing, I’m taking my two exchange students on the Showboat cruise tonight. Naturally, the weather in Sydney is hideous… I do hope that the ‘showgirls’ aren’t too scantily clad (in the interests of non cultural clash), but I suspect they will be wearing cardies with the feathers.

  56. I often wonder if Leftism hasn’t become an ersatz religion for them

    There is some contention made that leftism is simply a degenerative form of Christianity that had God removed from it a couple hundred years ago. The religious holding of beliefs, and persecution of the unbeliever fits with this theory quite well.

    Christianity requires a foundational belief in absolutes. Without it, well… leftism.

  57. Gab

    he’s probably quite human and probably on our side,

    He’s a Hi Alanist of the Green variety. But you may change him yet, Philippa. You have your ways.

  58. Roger

    Gab, can’t we start over?
    I really did answer JC’s question, just not the way you or him seemed to want.
    And for Philippa I’ve been here off an on for a couple of months. Have I inadvertently transgressed some rule? I thought this was a libertarian (and centre right) blog? I am definitely centre right although I do not necessarily tow a party line. OK?

  59. Roger

    I think that analysis is correct, Driftforge. Marxism is surely a secularised form of Christianity, an attempt to create the kingdom of God on earth by man’s will.

  60. .

    Roger
    #1236761, posted on March 24, 2014 at 3:39 pm
    I can only hope that is true dot. For too long the Roman Catholic church was the Labour Party at prayer.

    You are being incredibly rude.

    Don’t come in here and tell me my ancestors were tribalists. They were Christians first, Australians second and ALP voters next.

    They supported Greiner for example, because they knew he was better than that corrupt old perv who was the long serving ALP Premier, and his half brained successor. Needless to say I remember when my elder cousins in a more remote town were outraged at being treated like crims because they went shooting about four times a year.

  61. Roger

    He’s a Hi Alanist of the Green variety.
    I have no idea what an ‘Alanist’ is but I assume it’s an insult around here?
    For the record, I detest the Greens.
    (I’m starting to fell like I’m in a Soviet show trial, where my every word is given a meaning I didn;t intend; is this the normal reception for relative newbies here?)

  62. .

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/exbandidos-president-among-bikie-arrests-in-extortion-crackdown/story-fnii5v6w-1226862414336

    This is great news, it is a shame Newman passed the ridiculous aspects of his anti Bikie laws.

    The correct response to extortion is to pull out your Glock 29 SF and blow the c_&+ away.

  63. Splatacrobat

    Press Gallery praise ‘daring’ Gillard carbon tax as politically epic avoids logic, integrity, truthfulness, honesty mention.

  64. Roger

    Apologies dot. Didn’t mean to offend.

  65. Infidel Tiger

    Apologies dot. Didn’t mean to offend.

    Never ever apologise.

  66. Tom

    Q: What’s the difference between Christmas Island in 2008 and Christmas Island in 2014? A: Tony Abbott.

    Children being held in immigration detention on Christmas Island have told a Human Rights Commission inquiry it is like “hell” in the centre.

    After struggling to get information from the Immigration Department about the wellbeing of children in detention, the commission launched a national inquiry into the matter.

    That gives it significant powers, including access to detention centres.

    The commission has just held its first visit to a detention centre as part of the inquiry, spending a week on Christmas Island.

    Its president Gillian Triggs says the children there told them the place was “hell”.

    Shut the HRC down. Fire. Them. All.

  67. calli

    and his half brained successor.

    That would be Barrie Unsworth…he of the unmentionable knitwear. Thrown out on his ear and good riddance. Greiner, in typical Liberal fashion, was tripped up by his own creation, ICAC. And now history seems to be repeating.

  68. Roger

    I.T.

    It’s what my mother taught me to do and I find it hard to shake the habit.
    Something about good manners being the lubrication of civilization and all that.

  69. .

    Greiner was a man of honour. He was worthy of viceroy or head of state.

  70. calli

    Sinodinis needs to watch it, Dot, these buggers have form.

  71. Is this fate, karma, or possible Hollywood script?

    Here we have potentially the world’s most evil coal terminal, the satanic government approval for disposing (shock horror, sand!) onto the forever endangered reefs, the virtuous GetUp court action and curious naming of the place after our Prime Minister?

  72. Its president Gillian Triggs says the children there told them the place was “hell”.

    I thought it’s a typo. Might have been “well”.

  73. Tom

    Brandis isn’t saying whether 18C will be abolished or amended, but his voice sounds like it’s dropped an octave and lefty heads are exploding:

    Attorney-General George Brandis has defended the Government’s plan to amend a key part of the nation’s racial discrimination laws, saying people have “a right to be bigots”.

    The Abbott Government has promised to amend the Racial Discrimination Act by repealing section 18C, which makes it unlawful for someone to publicly “offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate” a person or a group of people.

    In 2011, conservative media figure Andrew Bolt was found to have broken the law over two articles he wrote in 2009 about light-skinned people who identify as Aboriginal.

    A Federal Court judge found Bolt’s articles would have offended a reasonable member of the Aboriginal community, that he had not written them in good faith and that there were factual errors.

    At the time, Bolt said it was “a terrible day for free speech in this country”.

    Senator Brandis says he will “very soon” bring forward an amendment to the act “which will ensure that can never happen in Australia again”.

    Asked about the plan by Labor’s Senator Nova Peris, the first Indigenous woman in parliament, Senator Brandis said section 18C “goes about the problem of dealing with racial vilification in the wrong way”.

    He said the Government is acting in the interests of free speech.

    “People do have a right to be bigots you know,” he told the Senate.

    “In a free country people do have rights to say things that other people find offensive or insulting or bigoted.”

    Senator Brandis said the law as it stands amounted to “political censorship”.

  74. .

    The unions blaming Sinodonis for their corruption for which he is merely a witness is like when “Fat Tony” on The Simpsons blames Bart for all of his crimes.

    Pure bullshit.

  75. Fleeced

    Never ever apologise

    Rule #6.

  76. saying people have “a right to be bigots”.

    So, bigots are attacking George Brandis who upholds their right…

  77. Driftforge

    is this the normal reception for relative newbies here

    Yes. If you make it through the trial by fire…

  78. The unions blaming Sinodonis for their corruption for which he is merely a witness

    They are celebrating their success in tainting those opposite with their own mud

  79. calli

    Rule #6.

    Yeah, I broke that one late last week. But Gab corrected me! Ouch! 🙂

    And no Spacechook…break that one all the time…expecting trumpeting and trampling in four, three, two….

  80. Senile Old Guy

    Actually, Gab, I answered JC’s question several times over and quite clearly, but please let’s not drag that over here!

    I really did answer JC’s question, just not the way you or him seemed to want.

    You are being a little sneaky, me thinks. He asked you a question about a specific percentage which you never responded to. Instead, you deflected (or, as Gab puts it, danced).

    Suppose I ask you the question: What percentage 2PP do you think makes the government illegitimate? A response to that question requires a number (or at least a range). A deflection — “it doesn’t matter because of…” — is not an answer.

  81. Fleeced

    Yes. If you make it through the trial by fire…

    You move onto the next, more demanding, stage.

  82. politichix

    Roger
    #1236771, posted on March 24, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    I’m starting to fell like I’m in a Soviet show trial, where my every word is given a meaning I didn;t intend; is this the normal reception for relative newbies here?

    They’re just sniffing and testing the vibe!

  83. I’m starting to fell like I’m in a Soviet show trial, where my every word is given a meaning I didn;t intend; is this the normal reception for relative newbies here?

    I think – and this is only a hypothesis – that if as a comparative newcomer you start off by setting the old-timers straight, you are asking for a Cat-style walloping from those self-same old timers.

    Cat-style wallopings are ugly things, and most of us prefer to see them avoided.

    That’s all. No paranoia. Just passing concern for your wellbeing.

  84. Roger

    sog,

    The matter of the 2pp percentage of the vote is, strictly speaking, irrelevant to the legitimacy or otherwise of a government in the Westminster system, which was the original question. I’m sorry, but if you ask a lawyer a legal question you get a legal answer. As I’m not a psephologist I couldn’t possibly tell you at what point an electoral distribution seriously subverts the 2pp vote but I’d be interested to know what one might think on that. In conclusion, I’ll simply point out that in our system governments are not formed by the electors but by their representatives; I understand Libs are upset at the result, but don’t blame the system – -it’s the best we’ve got.

  85. Roger

    politichix, Cats are seriously twisted people ;0)
    But I have to admit I’m not on many on-line fora, so maybe this is just normal?

  86. twostix

    No problem with Leftys in church, Calli, so long as they don’t twist the scriptures.

    The urban political left who up until this point spent a century supporting and cheering on regimes that literally dynamited churches and have themselves waged an unrelenting war on Christianity in their own countries via the public school system, discrimination laws and state owned media, in the last 12 months have suddenly magically become loud proponents of christianity. With a few caveats (Jesus Christ must support gay marriage, abortion, the gaia hypotheses, AGW, Asylum Seekers, hate Tony Abbott and vote Green).

  87. Roger

    Philippa, I’m afraid I’m no respecter of persons: where I see darkness I try to spread light, ‘cept not in a weird, cultic sort of way…

  88. Pedro the Ignorant

    hermeneutical shift from Israel’s theonomic political system to our pluralistic, democratic polity,

    Que?

  89. Roger

    twostix,

    Agreed. See my comment above re Leftist distortion of Christianity.
    But we can’t keep them out of church – they need to be saved too!

  90. Infidel Tiger

    You move onto the next, more demanding, stage.

    A gorilla throws barrels at you from a construction site.

  91. Gab

    Your sanctimony, Roger, betrays your protestations about not being of the left. It’s a dead giveaway.

  92. candy

    Gab, can’t we start over?

    gee, Gab, how can you resist a fellow who says something like that? 🙂

  93. Gab

    Didn’t see it, Candy. I don’t read everything here as I pop in and out.

  94. Roger 1:

    Philippa, I’m afraid I’m no respecter of persons: where I see darkness I try to spread light, ‘cept not in a weird, cultic sort of way…

    Roger 2:

    Agreed. See my comment above re Leftist distortion of Christianity.
    But we can’t keep them out of church – they need to be saved too!

  95. I’m afraid I’m no respecter of persons

    Thank you for playing. Good luck with your future career.

  96. A gorilla throws barrels at you from a construction site

    How about a union official throws barrels at you from a construction site

  97. they need to be saved too!

    No. They seek to infiltrate and un-save the others

  98. Gab

    hermeneutical shift from Israel’s theonomic political system to our pluralistic, democratic polity,

    Que?

    it’s down there with “detailed programmatic specificity”, Pedro.

  99. Jessie

    Peter Garrett is a lefty, greenie and activist and the Church plays a part in his life.

    “I think we’ve got a great story, a story that conveys itself both as history and as a more substantial faith. But I think that in 1998 in Australia it has to be relieved of its straight-jacket and given lots of new language and poetry and songs and movements and expressions.”

    When he was activist-gyrator he ensured more outback Aboriginal people lived grossly violent lives while their leaders undertook treaties and land rights. He took that outcome and his arty-cohort followers as a positive, seeking the ultimate political role as Federal Minister of Environment.
    The recent pink-batts RC will likely see that he continued that passion for leading …. horrible outcomes for humans.
    ………Yet despite the band’s accent on doom and gloom, Peter is basically optimistic about the future. “I think most normal, average living-their-lives people believe that there are means and ways of bringing societies into balance,” he says. “The problem is that the dominant system we have, both in decision-making and economics, doesn’t work towards that balance.”

  100. Roger

    Pedro,
    Padron me if that was a bit opaque to you. Basically, prophetic speech in the Old Testament was directed to a people who had accepted certain covenental norms which were dictated by God. You therefore can’t easily translate everything the prophets said to a modern, pluralist democratic society which hasn’t explicitly accepted those same norms. You can only really translate the common principles which are found in natural law, which are implicitly accepted by modern democracies.
    So, for example, the Old Testament Sabbath laws applied to the people of Israel individually and collectively but they do not apply to us collectively (and only individually to the extent we have taken them on personally, which I for one wouldn’t advise!). Therefore the nation of Australia can’t be chastised for not keeping the Sabbath. At the most, the nation could be chastised for not allowing workers proper rest. Likewise specific laws about jubilees, not harvesting fields up to the boundary line, harbouring the alien, etc. etc. Yet you’d be surprised the number of times I’ve heard sermons from Lefty preachers who apply those OT laws to modern society in a very wooden way.

  101. With a few caveats (Jesus Christ must support gay marriage, abortion, the gaia hypotheses, AGW, Asylum Seekers, hate Tony Abbott and vote Green).

    2 Corinthians 11:13-15

    13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

  102. Lysander

    13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

    Ahhh the old false prophet story…St Paul missed one line “disguise themselves as native born Americans”

  103. Di

    Good to see the lefties are over at Tim Blair telling him what a has been he is – must have touched a nerve!!!

  104. Senile Old Guy

    The matter of the 2pp percentage of the vote is, strictly speaking, irrelevant to the legitimacy or otherwise of a government in the Westminster system, which was the original question.

    And there you go again? “Lawyering up.” This why you are regarded as “dancing”. If I ask a question, I want you to answer the question, or explain why you won’t. Don’t refer to the “original question” or the “real question”. That is treating me like I am an idiot who won’t spot you digging up the goal posts and moving them 20 m to the left.

    As I’m not a psephologist I couldn’t possibly tell you at what point an electoral distribution seriously subverts the 2pp vote but I’d be interested to know what one might think on that.

    Odd. You want to know what others think but couldn’t possibly express an opinion yourself.

    In conclusion, I’ll simply point out that in our system governments are not formed by the electors but by their representatives

    Really? Who knew? Thanks for the information. How do these mysterious “representatives” get picked for that role? By the voters. But note this from the Electoral Commission:

    the redistribution should be ‘fair’ to prospective candidates and groups, so that candidates of any group gaining more than 50% of the State wide formal vote, including preferences, are elected in sufficient numbers to form the government by winning the majority of House of Assembly seats. (This criteria was introduced for the first time at the 1991 redistribution).

  105. calli

    A gorilla throws barrels at you from a construction site

    That would be both barrels, I presume? Never be halfhearted when upping the ante…a simian article of faith.

  106. Roger

    No. They seek to infiltrate and un-save the others

    That can happen, James. But personally, I find it best to charitably accept a person’s confession of faith as sincere unless and until clear evidence to the contrary is demonstrated. There have been and I’m sure there are presently sincere Christians who are Labour Party members, even parliamentarians. I may disagree with their politics but that doesn’t normally lead me to question their faith. And surely, God loves all, even those on the Left…even the ones who hate him!

  107. Roger

    explain why you won’t.

    Precisely what I did in my answer to you, sog.
    What’s your beef?

  108. Lysander

    Roger – regarding your summa theologica on the prophets – dead wrong.

    Of course they still apply! Think of “Pre-ee-eepare-yee the way of the Lord” from Isiaih – this is absolutely applicable to Australia. Whether Australia chooses to listen or not is another thing.

  109. Fisky

    Extraordinary. We have a clear example of the SAEC repeatedly failing to carry out its duties to avoid gerrymandering/malapportionment under SA’s own unique legislation, and a Hi-Allanist troll claims this is due process.

    Go away now Roger. Shoo.

  110. Fleeced

    A gorilla throws barrels at you from a construction site.

    Some might think it’s cruel and outdated, but it’s a necessary step to test their resolve before even later stages, where we make them watch Q&A and report back to Catallaxy for our amusement.

  111. Demosthenes

    That would be both barrels, I presume?

    I suspect one at a time.

  112. I’m sure there are presently sincere Christians who are Labour Party members, even parliamentarians

    You seldom see any Labor politician being attacked based on their faith.

    But haters won’t hesitate attacking Tony Abbott based on his faith

  113. Pedro the Ignorant

    it’s down there with “detailed programmatic specificity”, Pedro

    Gracias, Senorita Gab.

    I no speak prolixity, verbosity or academic gibberish.

  114. Grigory M

    Greiner was a man of honour.

    Ah hahahaha! FFS, Dot. Still wiping tears from my eyes after reading that.

  115. .

    Odd. You want to know what others think but couldn’t possibly express an opinion yourself.

    Thus they are trolling. Plus weak as piss arguments based on religion that no one wants to hear.

  116. Roger

    Please read what I wrote again carefully, Lysander; I said the laws of the OT which the prophets castigated Israel for not following no longer apply to us. That is not to say that the Gospel message prefigured in the prophets does not apply. Biblical Hermeneutics 101.

  117. .

    Whatever Grigory. Name some other Australian politicians who have fell on their own sword.

  118. “They are a green light to racism and all other sorts of hate speech. What sort of message does this send to young Australians at a time when we are trying to stop bullying?”

    Ahhhh. The holier than thou! And they condone all those “peaceful” signs of the March in Marchers…

  119. Grigory M

    Name some other Australian politicians who have fell on their own sword.

    Go fuck yourself, Dot. Greiner was the subject of your comment and mine – no-one else.

  120. Lysander

    Please read what I wrote again carefully, Lysander; I said the laws of the OT which the prophets castigated Israel for not following no longer apply to us. That is not to say that the Gospel message prefigured in the prophets does not apply. Biblical Hermeneutics 101.

    You mean that you shouldn’t lay down with an ox? I thought that would’ve been more about common sense than anything! 🙂

  121. Roger

    dot, you completely misunderstand what I wrote about the OT prophets.
    My whole point was that their religious discourses cannot be directly applied to modern societies, but that we can only rely on natural law to guide us collectively.

  122. Gab

    You also don’t speak “crap”, querido Pedro.

  123. Roger

    Lysander, well, yes, common sense is displayed in a lot of the OT laws – hygiene, etc.

  124. calli

    Name some other Australian politicians…

    Steele Hall.

    Hall expanded the House of Assembly to 47 seats, including 28 in the Adelaide area. While it fell short of “one vote one value,” as Dunstan and Labor had demanded, it was a much fairer system than its predecessor. Hall undertook this knowing that it would effectively hand the premiership to Dunstan at the next election. Whatever the public outcry over the electoral inequalities, Hall’s political bravery in introducing legislation to reform the House of Assembly to a more equitable system of representation should not be underestimated. It ranks as one of the few instances in Australian political history when a politician initiated a reform knowing full well that it would put his own party at a disadvantage.

    I know it’s straight from Wiki but it is as I remember it.

  125. Rabz

    Good to see the lefties are over at Tim Blair telling him what a has been he is – must have touched a nerve!!!

    This is gold:

    I am not a commie, socialist, dole bludger etc. I am a self-employed Aussie who is extremely concerned about what the present government is doing …

    Hi Alan!

    😉

  126. Roger

    Please tell me what you regard as “crap”, Gab. Specifically, thank you, so I may respond as necessary.

  127. Demosthenes

    As I’m not a psephologist I couldn’t possibly tell you at what point an electoral distribution seriously subverts the 2pp vote but I’d be interested to know what one might think on that.

    Whatever it is, 53% has a pretty strong claim for being close to that point, given the typical margins.

  128. Lysander

    Release Wodger.

    Wodge, you are wrong my friend. Prophets had three types of laws (you refer to all of them as “laws” without any distinction). There were ceremonial laws for welcoming kings, killing them and so forth. There were civil laws around women not wearing bloke’s clothes and so forth. And then there were moral laws about not delivering penis up backsides.

    Which of these triparte would you say presides today?

  129. Roger

    Fisky,

    The EC statement is one thing (which they obviously haven’t worked out how to implement yet) but you just watch, they’ll be sworn in as a legitimate government without any legal challenge. It’s not “due process”, it’s the constitution for heaven’s sake!

  130. Roger

    Lysander, the three fold categorisation of laws you mention isn’t actually taught in the Old Testament, it’s an abstraction developed by Protestant theologians later. For the Jews, every law was religious in its significance because they were a Theonomic society. But, to answer your question and further the discussion, it would be the moral laws that apply today, in as much as they reflect natural law which applies to all cultures and times. Wouldn’t you agree?

  131. Stephen of Glasshouse

    Roger..my baptism of fire was being mistaken for Steve of Brisbane. It was one hell of a scrum pile on

  132. Senile Old Guy

    The matter of the 2pp percentage of the vote is, strictly speaking, irrelevant to the legitimacy or otherwise of a government in the Westminster system, which was the original question. I’m sorry, but if you ask a lawyer a legal question you get a legal answer.

    But you weren’t asked a legal question, even if you chose to interpret it that way. And, as was stated several times, in the thread, SA has a specific requirement that means that the 2PP does — or should — matter. So your legal answer was also wrong.

    As I’m not a psephologist I couldn’t possibly tell you at what point an electoral distribution seriously subverts the 2pp vote but I’d be interested to know what one might think on that.

    That is not an explanation: these are weasel words masquerading as an explanation. An explanation would be something like…”because I’m a troll.”

  133. Roger

    Demosthenes,
    Thanks for producing an argument and not just an opinion! On that basis I’d be inclined to agree with you about 53% 2pp warranting government. But, short of a re-draw of the boundaries, I don’t see how this effects the situation in SA. The governor can’t very well call on the Libs to form a government without a workable majority on the floor of the house.

  134. JC

    People need to be careful what they wish for. This is a very interesting chart showing current parliamentary compositions and what they would be if political parties got seats in proportion to their votes.

    No one is suggesting proportional representation. What we’re against is the Liars Party continually stealing elections.

  135. Lysander

    “Lysander, the three fold categorisation of laws you mention isn’t actually taught in the Old Testament, it’s an abstraction developed by Protestant theologians…”

    Wodge. Yes I know; and I’m as Catholic as they come (been to Rome 8 times and met JPII x 2) and love it. This convergence is called ecumenism. And its getting greater as time goes by.

  136. Lysander

    Wodger I’m out. Got some non-sabbath-observers to slay.

  137. Tom

    I’m tipping this will be the greatest load of Greenfilth Alinskyist junk ever aired on Their ABC — maybe not the greatest, but in the first three, anyway:

    abc730
    [email protected] We’ve had a lot of inquiries about part two of our story on Operation Sovereign Borders by @George_Roberts… it will air tonight on #abc730

  138. calli

    Good to see the lefties are over at Tim Blair telling him what a has been he is – must have touched a nerve!!!

    And even curiouser is that the first of the deluge of variations of ‘oh, Tim, you’re so mean’ started at 11:23, or page 5 of comments.

    Get Up doesn’t mean Get Up Early.

  139. JC

    Roger

    The governor could do the right thing by saying he’s not signing up to an illegimate Clive Hamilton government, request a redrawing of the boundaries and proceed to a new election.

  140. Roger

    sog, I was trained to develop and critique arguments and not to rely on mere opinion, no matter how strongly held. It is relevant to the question to seek a psephologist’s opinion, given that I have no expertise in that area. I an only speak with sure knowledge on the legal aspect and I am loathe to offer opinions about matters in which I am not fully informed. If you choose to see that as being “weasely” so be it. I regard it as intellectual humility. You know, one of the downsides of democracy is that because everyone has a vote everyone thinks their opinion is worth hearing. It isn’t. Anyway, see my reply to Demosthenes on the 53% question.

  141. SA Premier Jay Weatherill has dismissed a war of words with the PM as election campaign “nonsense“. Source: AAP

    SOUTH Australian Premier Jay Weatherill has promised a “mature” working relationship with Canberra, saying his election stoush with Tony Abbott was part of the usual campaign nonsense.

    This is gold!

    Everything said during the election can be boiled down to “campaign nonsense”.

    Rudd and Gillard would have thunk “why didn’t I think of that?”

  142. Roger

    JC

    I doubt he has those powers, JC.
    There are strong conventions he has to follow, for good or ill.

  143. Max

    Rudd and Gillard would have thunk “why didn’t I think of that?”

    Gold

  144. egg_

    Previous comments were about diplomacy of dealing with Malaysian officials; thanks for your wise sage, MickGC.

    The problem with SAR in a vast area:
    “French satellite image shows debris 850km North of the current search area“.

    c/- PPRuNe

  145. Roger

    Glad to see you survived, Stephen of Glasshouse.
    I’m still breathing at the bottom of the pile.
    Must be my rugby experience!

  146. Roger

    Gab, I’m still waiting…specifics, remember.
    Tell you what, if you don’t answer you have to be nice to me from now on ;0)

  147. JC

    He does have the power of offer conditional power and ask the regime redraw the boundaries. He can then dissolve the parliament and call for new elections…. Anything else and he’s Clive hamiltoning the electorate with an illegimate government.
    To Clive Hamilton… Is to fuck over an electorate with an illegimate leftist government.

  148. egg_

    We’ve had a lot of inquiries about part two of our story on Operation Sovereign Borders by @George_Roberts… it will air tonight on #abc730

    Wonder if they follow it up with an item on Q&A’s All-stars Own-Goal Team (TM)?

  149. Demosthenes

    No one is suggesting proportional representation. What we’re against is the Liars Party continually stealing elections.

    Sure, on the justification that representation should reflect votes. You can’t make that argument and oppose PR at the same time.

  150. Roger

    Interesting JC.
    Chapter and verse?

  151. Roger

    JC

    I just don’t see how it would work in the parliament.

  152. Infidel Tiger

    Another Labor success story:

    Plain packaging has lead to an increase in smoking!

    If only the ALP would ban blowjobs and weekends.

  153. Grigory M

    The governor could do the right thing by saying he’s not signing up to an illegimate Clive Hamilton government, request a redrawing of the boundaries and proceed to a new election.

    Supremely optimistic IMO, JC. From Wikipedia:

    On 3 May 2007, it was announced that Scarce would become Governor of South Australia – the Queen’s representative in the state, although after his appointment he broke the tenets of viceregal impartiality by publicly stating that he is an avowed supporter of an Australian republic.

    On 13 February 2013, Scarce’s term was extended by two years to 7 August 2014

    Wouldn’t you agree there’s a high probability that the SA Governor is a dyed-in-the-wool Lefty who is not even remotely likely to bite the hand that feeds him?

  154. I am loathe to offer opinions about matters in which I am not fully informed.

    LOL

  155. Senile Old Guy

    Sure, on the justification that representation should reflect votes. You can’t make that argument and oppose PR at the same time.

    No, Demo. The request is that the election result actually follows SA electoral law, as per quotes above.

  156. IT, you’re on to something beautiful there.

    From the article:

    Britain last year appointed a respected paediatrician to examine whether plain packaging would reduce the health costs of smoking. The doctor’s report is expected this week.

    So they’re asking a paediatrician – a person who is a specialist in the diseases of children – to examine whether plain packaging can reduce the health costs of smoking.

    Which would actually be a question for a professional and currently-working epidemiologist, or a health finance analyst, or even just a plain old data analyst.

    Unless this paediatrician is any of the above, I think this might turn out to be a very dutiful statement dictated by the BMA.

  157. Roger

    So, where are these rules, PM?

  158. Infidel Tiger

    I am loathe to offer opinions about matters in which I am not fully informed.

    We’d have to close the internet if this became common thinking.

  159. Roger

    We’d have to close the internet if this became common thinking.

    What would the Cats do to fill their empty days then, IT? ;0)

  160. Tom

    Get Up doesn’t mean Get Up Early.

    You’re a social scientist and don’t know it, Calli. My fave so far from the coments at Blair’s:

    It amazes me that every MSM has labelled the March in March a ‘left’ protest. Do you have statistics on this? Would be interesting to know out of the 100,000 who is left wing.

    And this one:

    I find it incredibly sad and childish that you are mocking the current state and future state of Australia in this way.
    People are standing and marching in the streets with such dogmatic slogans because the multi billion dollar media corporations that sadly, you have succumbed to working for, is not doing its job at providing Australians with a fair, just and TRUTHFUL outlook on politics and the environment.

    My god. Talk about Dumbo Town.

  161. .

    Grigory M
    #1236853, posted on March 24, 2014 at 4:54 pm
    Name some other Australian politicians who have fell on their own sword.

    Go fuck yourself, Dot. Greiner was the subject of your comment and mine – no-one else.

    Greiner was a man of honour. Those who disagree can go and fuck themselves.

  162. egg_

    Get Up doesn’t mean Get Up Early.

    Aged activists who’ll paint the town beige?

  163. Eddystone

    Blimey, this Roger character is a bit fruity.

  164. Grigory M

    MMMfff. Stop it, Dot. I was enjoying that Cab Sav – and now it’s sprayed everywhere.

  165. Tintarella di Luna

    From the Oz media section – media diary
    Quill quite a party
    and Ol’ Scrotum face apparently had a skinful – read further down

    THE prestigious Quill awards in Melbourne on Friday night recognised some of the country’s finest journalism. Fairfax Media chief executive Greg Hywood presented The Age’s Caroline Wilson with her Graham Perkin Australian Journalist of the Year award, but left immediately after the formalities — perhaps under too much pressure to socialise with the media industry.

    Herald Sun editor Damon Johnston was accosted by a TV journalist who asked about the dispute between his columnist Andrew Bolt and journalist James Campbell, who took home the Gold Quill.

    He tried to scare the journalist off with a scowl — a response more amusing than one of the comedians hired to entertain the audience, who elicited so few laughs that mid-skit he said: “This is character building.”

    Age investigative journalist Richard Baker gave away his Quill ­trophy to another Age writer, saying he has 11 at home already and felt sorry for the journo, who had none. As the night progressed, the drinks moved to the Crown casino’s bar, where the ABC’s Insiders host Barrie Cassidy was refused service of alcohol after bartenders claimed he was intoxicated.

    The Crown bartender would only serve him a glass of water and told him to come back in 30 minutes. The bartender expressed surprise when Cassidy did not argue, commenting he was taking the news well. To be fair, Diary, who was sipping an amaretto sour, did not think Cassidy seemed intoxicated.

    He couldn’t have had too many drinks because he refused to engage in speculation on who Fran Kelly’s replacement would be on Radio ­National.

  166. Roger

    Well, I’m not gay, if that’s what you mean, Eddystone…not that there’s anything wrong with that :0)

    I’ll concede I may be a bit old fashioned though. I still open doors for women, despite the glares from the feministas.

  167. Tintarella di Luna

    Get Up doesn’t mean Get Up Early.

    Aged activists who’ll paint the town beige?

    Judging from those who went along to the March in March it looked like the 1960s flower children decided they give their wilted petals a little shake-about before they became fully Depensdent

  168. Tintarella di Luna

    It amazes me that every MSM has labelled the March in March a ‘left’ protest. Do you have statistics on this? Would be interesting to know out of the 100,000 who is left wing.

    But but but Professor Wendy ‘I was raped by God’s steel prick’ Bacon said there were 10,000

    Who to believe?

  169. JC

    What a dishonest douchebag.

    Paul Barry [email protected] 49m

    Obsessed??? Who has wriiten 132 stories about the ABC this year, with 125 of them negative? Find out on @ABCMediaWatch tonight #mediawatch

    jc [email protected] 1m

    @TheRealPBarry Oh shut up Paul, FFS. You’ve been the most Murdoch666 obsessive after Tony Springer-Jones at that leftist ridden shithole.

  170. jupes

    Well, I’m not gay, if that’s what you mean, Eddystone…not that there’s anything wrong with that :0)

    You may or may not be gay Roger but that pathetic ‘smiley’ face at the end of your sentences certainly is.

  171. Roger

    Point taken jupes… :0)
    Sorry, can’t help it!

  172. JC

    @TheRealPBarry Seriously, man-up. Show you have a set of knackers & own up to the obvious – you’re a mudoch66 obsessive. Don’t be a pansy

  173. H B Bear

    Greiner was a man of honour. Those who disagree can go and fuck themselves.

    The Full Federal Court and Justice Michelle Gordon of the Federal Court might disagree. Her description of Greiner as a witness was one of the most scathing I have read in a white collar case and the Full Court declined to make consent orders disagreeing with her.

  174. JC

    Mike Carlton [email protected] 58m

    @TheRealPBarry @ABCMediaWatch Might be quicker if you just outlined the 7 positive (or even neutral) stories.

    jc ?
    @MikeCarlton01 @TheRealPBarry @ABCMediaWatch The sniveler shows up in support. You’re such a vomit inducing scumbag. Go change the diapers.

  175. H B Bear

    Butch Carlton – 3rd man in as usual. Why doesn’t he give up and go and work for the Jewish vanity press like the rest of the dregs from the SMH?

  176. JC

    Adam Bandt [email protected] 2m

    Stop the bigots.

    jc

    @AdamBandt you’d be the first to be stopped, you objectionable little creep. In a just world you’d be married to Tubbsie Milne

  177. JC

    Bear

    He’s such a sniveler if you watch him operate on Twitter. It’s really disgusting just what a suck hole he is. He’s always sucking up to that useless Ben Cubby. Of course I made both aware of the fact that he’s a transparent sniveler trying to keep his pathetic job.

  178. .

    Greiner was a man of honour. Those who disagree can go and fuck themselves.

    ???

    Subtle language guys.

    I have learnt well in recent days. Re-read the comment and think about it!

  179. Tanya Plibersek, well-known for her demented bigotry, gives more evidence that she is as unaware of her own hypocrisy as she is incapable of discerning irony;

    Today, the Abbott Government gave the green light to bigots. Labor stands strongly against racial hate speech. SHARE if you stand with us.

  180. jupes

    @AdamBandt you’d be the first to be stopped, you objectionable little creep. In a just world you’d be married to Tubbsie Milne …

    … as a lezzo after your sex change.

  181. Tom

    THE Abbott government has backed down on a key element of its controversial reforms to financial advice in a bid to head off a backlash from seniors, consumer groups and parts of the $1.5 trillion superannuation industry.

    Freezing rules that were to be imposed within days, the government said it would launch new consultations on changes to the way consumers are charged for financial advice on retirement savings and personal investments.

  182. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Eddystone – Bambi Blatting Report as asked!

    Very dry country as they have not had much rain there, and the landowner is doing some destocking due to lack of pasture. Anyhoo, I took the .308 and my oppo had a .270. Not as many about as last year so we had to work a bit harder, they are moving into the parks where there’s less competition for pasture and no hunting pressure. Saw a small herd at elevation in woodland first up in the morning so we backtracked and hiked across a spur to see if we could catch them from above, no joy as they had ambled off. We could have taken a 400m shot when seen, but it would not have been responsible, shot placement at that range runs too much risk of leaving a wounded animal in the scrub: and why scare them? Just before 0900 found a big hind and a weaner down on the creek and got to about 140m. I nailed the little buck through the heart but by oppo missed the hind! However, he ‘redeemed himself’ as the hind motored out of the creek bed and across a track with a very nice 120m off the shoulder shot as she slowed slightly before crossing an open space. In the conditions it was a beautiful clean shot and dropped her in her tracks. That evening we spotted a herd of 8 Chitals (including 2 small fauns) after sunset at only 240m, but not on our property. They were 30m off it. By the time one ambled on to the property the light was almost gone – we had closed to 80m by then – but he turned end-on and started ambling away just as I was about to take the shot and he also moved right. There was a house maybe 30 degrees off the sight line and only 1500m distant even if through trees and he closed that to below 20 degrees, ruling the shot out, even a small bullet deflection from a miss on an opening target in poor light made it unsound to take the shot.

    Next day we missed the same Chital herd by a short time, seeing them at 500m as they wandered into thick scrub. So we went up the back country in a 4WD. I was driving along a little valley-bottom when I spotted 5 Reds about 50m away up on a low wooded spur, so I stopped. They had started to move but two propped side on, my oppo was out of the left hand side and behind the 4wd, I almost got out to get my rifle out of the back seat but stopped myself in time, one sight of a human and they would have bolted (and they were only 5m from concealment), so I just froze and my mate nailed a nice big hind, it bolted but dropped in less than 10m although it took a little while for him to find it such was the cover. I got out and chased the others, got a couple of glimpses but no clear shot. After that it was dress and break up the last hind, clean up and motor on home. My freezer was emptier than his, so he took what he wanted and I took the rest. We’ve been hunting together for quite a time now, so it’s all share and share alike.

    The landowner’s happy to have them off his pasture and we had a great weekend. I only got the one shot off, but so what? The shot placement was perfect and we got every scrap of meat off that weaner, and it’s beautiful milk-fed meat. The second hind had not yet bred, and was also in magnificent condition even with subcutaneous fat (!). The landowner was ticked by that, as his cattle sure struggle to maintain condition right now and it’s his winter pasture the deer are hammering.

  183. H B Bear

    It will be interesting to see what sort of job the 7.30 Report editors have done on the 2nd installment of George Roberts’ “Getaway Special” after their massive own goal last week.

    Poor old George, he’ll have to wait for the union give him a Walkley for his Barbequed Reffos scoop later in the year to make it up to him.

  184. Fisky

    Fisky,

    The EC statement is one thing (which they obviously haven’t worked out how to implement yet) but you just watch, they’ll be sworn in as a legitimate government without any legal challenge. It’s not “due process”, it’s the constitution for heaven’s sake!

    It is more than one thing – it is a KPI of the SAEC which they have failed to attain in three out of the four last elections. The SAEC must be smashed.

  185. kae

    I heard some discussion on the “people are allowed to say bigoted things, be bigots” on ABC612 thisafternoon.

    Some twit was going on about freedom of speech “bug it doesn’t mean that you can say whatever you like about someone, for example…” These imbeciles haven’t heard about the defamation laws which already exist?

  186. jupes

    It will be interesting to see what sort of job the 7.30 Report editors have done on the 2nd installment of George Roberts’ “Getaway Special” after their massive own goal last week.

    Gotta be the ‘genuine’ refugee sob-story.

  187. .

    Smash the SAEC! Smash the state! Sortition now!

  188. Grigory M

    Greiner was a man of honour. Those who disagree can go and fuck themselves.

    ???

    Subtle language guys.

    WTF are you on about, Dot?

  189. Leigh Lowe

    Eddystone – Bambi Blatting Report as asked!

    If you bagged a sizeable one Mk, I have three words for you …. Venison Osso Bucco

  190. .

    Finally, a cooking topic that our commissars will approve of.

    The varied ways to cook shot Bambi.

  191. Infidel Tiger

    Tania Hird, the wife of suspended Essendon coach James, is expected to be hauled before the Essendon board on Wednesday and ordered to take a vow of silence to ensure her husband returns to the top job next season.

    What the hell?

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dday-for-tania-and-james-hird-20140324-hvmb2.html#ixzz2wriW9l1l

  192. .

    The AFL ought to be arrested on suspicion of treason and sedition. They are acting like a rebel government with no mandate, within the Commonwealth.

  193. Roger

    “ordered to take a vow of silence”… are they kidding?
    Who do they think they are?

  194. JC

    Wow, the AFL is actually trying that on. I reckon the Fisk Doctrine needs to be applied to them as well.

  195. jupes

    What the hell?

    Sounds like Essendon has weaseled out of sacking Hird. Stand by for Patrick Smith frothing at the mouth. LOL.

    This is too funny. They are virtually telling Hird to shut his wife (and dad) up or he will lose his job. As if everyone will forget what Tanya said about Fat Andy. I’d just tell them ‘no worries’ if I was in her position.

  196. Grigory M

    C’mon, Dot. Criticizing your own comment is odd. So, what gives?

  197. I’m taking part in Work on Wednesday this year!

    Join me and countless others …

  198. jupes

    Wow, the AFL is actually trying that on.

    It’s the Essendon board actually. Though who knows what phonecalls the Fatster is making.

  199. .

    Grigory M
    #1237008, posted on March 24, 2014 at 7:17 pm
    C’mon, Dot. Criticizing your own comment is odd. So, what gives?

    I’m not.

  200. Grigory M

    Dot – you’re not what?

  201. H B Bear

    ALPBC radio in Perth giving a blow-by-blow description of George Pell at the Royal Commission. They are deranged.

    Unless David Marr is now at the Anyone But Catholics network.

  202. Infidel Tiger

    I only got the one shot off, but so what?

    The number of times a man has consoled himself with those thoughts.

  203. JC

    It’s the Essendon board actually. Though who knows what phonecalls the Fatster is making.

    Of course the fat greek is in on it too. Essendon wouldn’t move a hair follicle without asking their Lords.

  204. Grigory M

    Dot – unless I am missing something ultra subtle here, you seem infatuated with Nicholas Frank Hugo. Why is it so?

  205. stackja

    H B Bear
    #1237016, posted on March 24, 2014 at 7:24 pm
    ALPBC radio in Perth giving a blow-by-blow description of George Pell at the Royal Commission. They are deranged.
    Unless David Marr is now at the Anyone But Catholics network.

    George Pell has always annoyed all the right people.

  206. Leigh Lowe

    Tania Hird, the wife of suspended Essendon coach James, is expected to be hauled before the Essendon board on Wednesday and ordered to take a vow of silence to ensure her husband returns to the top job next season.

    What the hell?

    How’s the AFL wimminses round shaping up this year.
    Filthy fuckers.
    She should flatly refuse to turn up.

  207. Leigh Lowe

    George Roberts on 730 testing to desperately back-fill his bullshit burnt hands story.

  208. Leo G

    George Roberts report on the ABC 7:30 program tonight was about the alleged torture of prospective asylum seekers by Australian Defence Force personnel in January.
    The story included video footage of “healed” extensive 3rd degree burns on the hand of one man, allegedly caused by his hand being held in contact with the exhaust pipe of an operating engine for some seconds.
    Such burns do not heal in five or 6 weeks- in fact they would not heal without skin grafts.
    The ABC has been duped by self-confessed criminals.

  209. stackja

    Leo G
    #1237051, posted on March 24, 2014 at 8:02 pm
    George Roberts report on the ABC 7:30 program tonight was about the alleged torture of prospective asylum seekers by Australian Defence Force personnel in January.
    The story included video footage of “healed” extensive 3rd degree burns on the hand of one man, allegedly caused by his hand being held in contact with the exhaust pipe of an operating engine for some seconds.
    Such burns do not heal in five or 6 weeks- in fact they would not heal without skin grafts.
    The ABC has been duped by self-confessed criminals.

    ABC’s useful idiot’s burnt offerings at tax-payers’ expense.

  210. Nic

    Sister Tania of the sacred order of Essendon. What next, excommunication ?

  211. jupes

    The ABC has been duped by self-confessed criminals.

    Not only that but they have gone back to the story that brought them more flack than the treasonous Snowden leak story. Why would they continue digging that hole?

    What a bunch of morons.

  212. Roger

    Are you a doctor Leo? Or perhaps a nurse?
    Not having a go – just curious.

  213. Bons

    Religion – Thermomix – can we move on to real issues please?
    Product of a Catholic boarding school & barbaric Catholic family – done me time – don’t need to read the inane twitterings of those who have been unable to overcome their childhood indoctrination.
    Greens – religions, the difference lies only in chronology.

  214. Eddystone

    Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC
    #1236982, posted on March 24, 2014 at 6:56 pm

    Nice work Mark!

    I’m off to Corryong for the fallow rut in early April. Hoping for a shot at Sambar as well.

  215. Leigh Lowe

    Are you a doctor Leo? Or perhaps a nurse?
    Not having a go – just curious.

    Maybe Leo is just a bloke who has come across (a) burns and (b) bullshitters in his life before.

  216. stackja

    Roger
    #1237060, posted on March 24, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    Burn Center Frequently Asked Questions
    Third-degree burns are the most severe type, since they destroy both the outer and inner layers of the skin. The burn may appear white or leathery, and may not be painful. (Third-degree burns can sometimes destroy the pain-sensing cells in the skin.) Very small third-degree burns may heal on their own, but this process takes a very long time. Any third-degree burn larger than a fifty-cent piece must be grafted or it will not heal.

  217. Leigh Lowe

    Product of a Catholic boarding school & barbaric Catholic family – done me time – don’t need to read the inane twitterings of those who have been unable to overcome their childhood indoctrination.

    Oh?
    I don’t see any evidence of religious time warp here.
    I was raised in a Christian religion but am somewhat lapsed.
    Some people continue to practice the religion they were raised in and good luck to them.
    I don’t get why that is offensive to anyone.

  218. Grigory M

    Sister Tania of the sacred order of Essendon. What next, excommunication ?

    Tied up and submerged in water for 15 minutes. If she survives, she is innocent.

  219. Roger

    “bullshitters”
    Care to explain, Leigh Lowe?
    You’re suggesting I was having a go when I expressly said I wasn’t?
    Thankfully, I know nothing about burns and I was wondering what the basis of Leo’s statement was.

  220. Tintarella di Luna

    Tania Hird, the wife of suspended Essendon coach James, is expected to be hauled before the Essendon board on Wednesday and ordered to take a vow of silence to ensure her husband returns to the top job next season.

    OMG looks like Essendon is now an enclosed order -when did this happen? I know AFL seems to be a sort of southern religion but who knew how serious this is -I feel like a pagan even looking on.

  221. Fleeced

    I haven’t confirmed, but I’m guessing there were taxpayer funds involved:

    A COMMUNITY arts event is facing criticism after children were encouraged to crawl into the vagina of a giant statue in Geelong’s Johnstone Park at the weekend.

  222. Gab

    arts event

    for some reason the “arts” community is obsessed with vaginas.

  223. stackja

    Leigh Lowe
    #1237074, posted on March 24, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    religion somewhat lapsed.

    Tintarella di Luna
    #1237079, posted on March 24, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    religion AFL cloistered.

  224. Fleeced

    for some reason the “arts” community is obsessed with vaginas.

    I wonder how they’d react if kids were encouraged to crawl over a giant penis, instead?

  225. .

    Gab
    #1237086, posted on March 24, 2014 at 8:26 pm
    arts event

    for some reason the “arts” community is obsessed with vaginas.

    The pussy or purse they are more interested in is stuffed with $50 notes and smells of leather.

    It’s the one in our back pockets. Thieving c&*ts!

  226. Tintarella di Luna

    for some reason the “arts” community is obsessed with vaginas.

    First they are knitted then invaded – dare I ask what next? I asked Tony Abbott if there were sufficient reverential deference shown to that lady part and he said: no

  227. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Eddystone

    That’s be seriously cool. No fallows up this way that I know of, but sambar out near Charters Towers, I think.

    Yep, it was a good weekend. When I get back from far west QLD on Thursday it’s going to be eye fillet on garlic bread with whiskey sauce and shallots. Then on the weekend a Ceylonese beef smoore made with blatted bambi instead of beef. Oh, and stringhoppers.

  228. Gab

    There’s a new open forum, Dismissive, post it there.

  229. Leigh Lowe

    “bullshitters”
    Care to explain, Leigh Lowe?
    You’re suggesting I was having a go when I expressly said I wasn’t?
    Thankfully, I know nothing about burns and I was wondering what the basis of Leo’s statement was.

    I am talking about the faux reffos with the faux burns and the imaginary brothers who “fell overboard and drowned”.
    Oh, and include George Roberts who swallowed the whole burnt hands thing whole and has being desperately trying to find “witnesses” ever since.

  230. Roger

    Philippa,

    Re salvation language:
    And I thought you were a good Catholic girl!
    You should read your catechism more often.

  231. Snoopy

    You’ve got to hand it to George Roberts. He doesn’t stop trying even when he possesses evidence that doesn’t support his story. George has the GPS carried on the illegal boat, but instead of relying its recorded coordinates to conform a landfall, has to rely on the word of criminals.

  232. Leo G

    Are you a doctor Leo? Or perhaps a nurse?

    No, but I have on several occasions been in the position of managing 3rd degree burns sustained in remote area accidents and in initial assessment of electrical burns in HV workplace accidents. I’ve also been in the unfortunate position of assisting police safely access persons with electrocution burns.
    But I don’t need much medical experience to work out that the 600 degree Celsius exhaust gas temperature of the average marine diesel means their exhaust pipes are hot enough to burn flesh away in seconds. Many of the severe injuries I have had to treat were simmering water burns- none of those had any hope of substantially healing in 6 weeks.

  233. Roger

    Thanks Leo.
    I know nothing about burns, so I was just asking.
    That George Roberts is tenacious, I’ll give him that.
    Unfortunately, he’s also very gullible, like a lot of Australians.

  234. JC

    Roger where have you posted comments before. Just curious.

  235. JC

    I hope he links to some of them too.

  236. Leo G

    George has the GPS carried on the illegal boat, but instead of relying its recorded coordinates to conform a landfall, has to rely on the word of criminals.

    A route record on a GPS handset isn’t even proof that the handset was actually at the reported coordinates at the reported times. The data can be entered by hand or the route info downloaded from another source.

  237. kae

    A greenoid Noah? Russell Crowe? I don’t think I’ll be seeing it.

    Now, about same sex paired animals, what do you reckon happened to the unicorn and the dragon?

  238. Roger

    JC

    Only on Cat and Bolt.

    Gab, really, can’t we start over? Pulease!! You might actually like me, seeing as I’m truly not a Leftist but an old fashioned Anglican conservative. T.S. Eliot is even my favourite writer after C.S. Lewis (yes, I know Lewis didn’t like Eliot, but they;re both in heaven now so they have to put up with each other).

  239. kae

    Like Piggies deserting a stinking ship?

  240. politichix

    You’re right it is 999

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