Day 12 of a broken promise

day 12

Update: Andrew Bolt interprets the photo as wowserism.

Apparently Treasurers who cut Government spending should not smoke cigars:
Memo to Joe Hockey

In the following weeks you will also not be allowed to:
Raise a glass

Drink champagne

Eat at a good restaurant

Wear a tux

Be seen with a billionaire

Fly in a private plan

Be driven anywhere in a limo.

I agree that a lot of the commentary is wowserism – my point, in contrast, is that Treasurer’s who needlessly break election promises and raise taxes shouldn’t be seen celebrating.

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333 Responses to Day 12 of a broken promise

  1. .

    He is a Scot.

    Ergo a pom. You ought to study history you arseclown. The last “purely” British House of Royalty were the Stuarts. I’ll give you a tip – ‘Pom” doesn’t mean necessarily English, it means British.

    No one cares. We don’t need to import socialist fuckwits like Halfpenny and Galloway who support Saddam Hussein and the fanatical Iranian regime.

    No one cares, you dreamy, authoritarian socialist moron.

    The issue is about the LNP base belting sense into Cabinet.

  2. tomix

    The Baath Party is a far right regime?

  3. Fleeced

    Abbott won a landslide victory which he’s now pissed up against the wall.

    This is largely what pisses me off… we all knew he was still a big-government type – just the lesser of two evils (by a large margin, we thought) – but to waste such a huge majority on something so bad shows appalling judgement. I mean, if he was spending that political capital on something good, we might admire him. Instead, he’s spending it on things that go against not only his promises, but traditional Liberal principles. At the end of the day, a large part of our frustration is that it’s a wasted opportunity – one that doesn’t come by too often.

    Also, increasing taxes isn’t just a broken promise. It’s isn’t simply a policy we don’t like for personal reasons. It is also bad economic policy.

  4. with a consistent record of supporting Far Right regimes

    Now which “Far Right” regimes would that be?
    Let’s see – Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez……..etc

  5. Grigory M

    Which is why you support a 49% income tax and increased excise tax and I support a 20% income tax with a 40k tax free threshold and the abolition of excise tax.

    I’d be happy with a flat (income) tax for both individuals and companies of 20% – no deductions at all for either – $20,000 low income threshold for individuals only – plus the existing GST still at 10%. No other taxes whatsoever.

  6. cohenite

    I think I answered your question Gab at 10:41 am.

    Numbers you never cease to amaze: Galloway is a bigot.

  7. It’s instructive to consider what Galloway had to say in 2005 at the hearing –

    “I gave my life’s blood to try to prevent the mass killing of Iraqis by the sanctions against Iraq. Which killed a million Iraqis, most of them children. Most died before they even knew that they were Iraqis. I gave my heart and soul, to stop you committing the disaster that you did commit in invading Iraq. I told the world that your case for the war was a pack of lies. I told the world that Iraq – contrary to your claims – did not have weapons of mass destruction. I told the world – contrary to your claims – that Iraq had no connection to the atrocity on 9/11/2001. I told the world – contrary to your claims – that the fall of Baghdad would not be the beginning of the end, but merely the end of the beginning. Senator, in everything I said about Iraq, I turned out to be right, and you turned out to be wrong. One hundred thousand people have paid with their lives. Sixteen hundred of them [were] American soldiers, sent to their deaths on a pack of lies. Fifteen thousand soldiers wounded; many disabled for ever; on a pack of lies.”

    Given what is happening in Iraq at the moment, he was absolutely correct.

  8. Ellen of Tasmania

    According to Wiki – who’d never lie to me:

    “The terms pommy, pommie and pom, in Australia and New Zealand usually denotes an English person (or, less commonly, people from other parts of the UK)”

  9. tomix

    Labour PM Tony Blair was also a big fan of that war, as was the ALP, iirc.

  10. .

    1735099
    #1299992, posted on May 10, 2014 at 4:35 pm
    It’s instructive to consider what Galloway had to say in 2005 at the hearing –

    You’re as welcome as tertiary syphilis.

    Just go away.

  11. Gab

    Is it all down to offended ideological purity? That dreaded broken promise?

    Who are we talking about here? Rudd, gillard or Abbott?

    Abbott ran on the platform of trust us, we’ll do what we say and say what we do unlike Labor and then Abbott goes on to behave just like Labor. Untrustworthy. But that appears to be acceptable to some here. So it’s okay to howl at Labor for breaking their promises and lying to the electorate but when the Libs do it’s righteous? Please.

  12. As one of the comments says –

    A man of principle. A debate is a waste of time while Israel continues to build illegal settlements and break international law.

    Couldn’t have said it better myself……………

  13. Labour PM Tony Blair was also a big fan of that war, as was the ALP, iirc.

    So?

  14. tomix

    So- when did you resign from the ALP?

  15. egg_

    Re the pic, apparently Joe’s in trackies following a walk (in which the meeja took snaps), so having a rest on the bench of the two-party club cops a long range snap.
    Contemptuous of the image it could have, sloppy Joe?

  16. So- when did you resign from the ALP?

    Never been a member – nor of any other party.
    Party politics in Australia is a charade.
    In a Corporate Fascist state political parties are either fronts or irrelevant….

  17. tomix

    Like George Galloways Respect Party, eh?

  18. Far Far South .

    Omen of the year, Smoking Joey wins todays South Australian,Goodwood Handicap and pays $51.00 for the win.

  19. Senile Old Guy

    Please folks, don’t cooperate with numbers derailing another thread.

  20. Woolfe

    In a Corporate Fascist state political parties are either fronts or irrelevant

    Liberty Quote?

  21. viva

    So it’s okay to howl at Labor for breaking their promises and lying to the electorate but when the Libs do it’s righteous? Please.

    It’s like this. If my husband promised to take me overseas as a wedding anniversary present but a couple of months later said sorry luv I’ve realised we just cant afford it at the moment and by the way I need to you to try and find an extra day’s work to throw some more money in the kitty – am I going throw tantie and call him an untrustworthy liar and bugger off? (Well I might throw a tantie but then calm down after a bit.) But the tantie going on here is still going strong FFS.

  22. Tel

    Please folks, don’t cooperate with numbers derailing another thread.

    I’m fairly confident we will have more “broken promise” threads… *GRIN*

  23. .

    But the tantie going on here is still going strong FFS.

    Hmm no.

    I asked some questions and whyisitso, quite absurdly called me a commo fuckwit.

    Just answer the questions I compiled at 3.20 pm.

    The kneepadding and acquiescence to the Greens – ALP agenda by retroactively funding it is what is “a bit strong”, actually.

  24. Tel

    If my husband promised to take me …

    I’m not married to Tony Abbott.

    (yet)

  25. viva

    I’m not married to Tony Abbott.

    (yet)

    IMO the principle is roughly the same.

    But look – everyone’s different, people have different reactions. It just that I’ve found that if you are too inflexible and judgmental in this life you are always going to feel let down – guaranteed.

  26. Gab

    Oh well seems the answer to my question is simply: it’s okay to lie and break promises but only when Abbott does it because shut up.

  27. Fisky

    “Which Far Right regime?” Ummm let me see – Iran, Baathist Iraq and Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah for a start. I bet if I did some digging around I’d also unearth some friendly Gallowayist overtures to the extreme right wing North Korean regime too. Galloway is a toxic water carrier for racists and militarists.

  28. Combine_Dave

    Just answer the questions I compiled at 3.20 pm.

    Could you repeat the questions here?

  29. Fisky

    Is it true Galloway publicly saluted Saddam only three years after he butchered tens of thousands of Kurds and Shiites? He also supported Ahmadinejad very soon after he was machine gunning Iranian students in the streets.

  30. viva

    Oh well seems the answer to my question is simply: it’s okay to lie and break promises but only when Abbott does it because shut up.

    I will make a concession for Abbott that wouldn’t make in a thousand years for Gillard. I think he’s the better person by far and for that reason I will cut him some slack.

  31. Clam Chowdah

    So they are smoking a cigar. Woopty dooo. That this causes uproar shows everything thats wrong in this country. The Nanny state will condemn you for enjoying your simple pleasures.

    Next we will be told that they are role models who should set an example. No question will be asked about the ethics of the photographers invading their privacy.

    Blame Roxon’s ilk for turning a cigar into an actual luxury good. If they were hitting a decent Churchill, that’s a 50-100 smoke depending on whether it’s a Romeo or a Behike.

  32. chrisl

    Gab: The deficit and debt is not sustainable. You know this . Sinclair (who has now jumped 12 sharks ) knows this, The journey back to surplus has to start somewhere. It starts on Tuesday. Do you want the debt passed on to the next generation?

  33. Notafan

    How could most business involved in the provision of goods pay income tax on 20% of turnover?
    Lots of businesses have operating profits of 5% after expenses.
    As far as I am concerned under current trading conditions the GST operates as an effective business turnover tax, at least we can claim imput credits.
    You could probably bring in a lower tax rate for salary and wage earners subject to a no deductions regime.
    You might even be able to quarantine negative gearing losses and allow them to offset future capital gains, though I am not convinced that is viable.

  34. Senile Old Guy

    Do you want the debt passed on to the next generation?

    The Liberals themselves have said it is a spending problem, not a revenue problem. Cut spending. The Gesture Tax is pure politics and will raise no funds of significance.

  35. calli

    It starts on Tuesday. Do you want the debt passed on to the next generation?

    I want spending cuts and lower taxes. I don’t want rubbish Labor programs continued whilst bleeding ‘the rich’. Why is this so difficult to understand?

  36. Iran, Baathist Iraq and Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah for a start.

    None of these regimes are/were “Far Right”.
    Iran is a theocracy, The Baathist regime was a combination of Arab nationalism, pan-Arabism, Arab socialist and anti-imperialist movements. It was, at one point, supported by the CIA*.
    The USA in the eighties was a great support for Saddam Hussein and his Baathist party at the same time that Galloway was protesting against his regime.
    Galloway is on record as critical of the Assad regime in Syria.
    He supports Hamas and Hezbollah because they are movements supported by democracy, and resists Israel, which is a gangster state that murders people on the high seas, steals Australian (and other) passports, and builds settlements on land stolen by military conquest.

    I bet if I did some digging around I’d also unearth some friendly Gallowayist overtures to the extreme right wing North Korean regime too.

    You would not.

    There will never be peace in the Middle East until there is justice for the Palestinians.

    *Coughlin, Con (2005). Saddam: His Rise and Fall. Harper Perennial. ISBN 0-06-050543-5.

  37. Fleeced

    From the LDP:

    The LDP will be releasing our alternative budget on Monday (May 12th), with details to be published by the Australian Financial Review (AFR). No tax increases plus an immediate return to surplus. Make sure you buy the Monday AFR for details. This will set the benchmark against which the Abbott government should be judged. Please share this news.

    Should be a fun read… though I’m still not going to buy the AFR.

  38. Is it true Galloway publicly saluted Saddam only three years after he butchered tens of thousands of Kurds and Shiites? He also supported Ahmadinejad very soon after he was machine gunning Iranian students in the streets.

    None of this is true.
    It was smear developed by the Neocons because they were afraid of him.
    It has been debunked so often that it is a joke.

  39. .

    chrisl, that’s bullshit mate.

    It can be done without tax cuts, to wit, it would be better, and more consistent with the Liberal manifesto if done with larger cuts and significant tax relief.

  40. .

    To the request of Combine Dave:

    A set of questions repeated for Liberals.

    Make an argument defending the tax increases (income and excise) and keeping policies like Direct Action.

    You can’t. The best you have done so far is cast the government as a hostage to a left wing Parliament and you’ve also out forward the idea they should not call a DD election.

    What exactly you expect the Liberals to achieve whilst not capitulating to the hard left agenda of the Gillard and Green coalition partners, other than paying off the debt is mind boggling.

    If that’s the best they can do, they should all resign and have themselves replaced by random people who have paid off their mortgage.

    So Abbott can’t win any new election and he can’t pass any legislation except budget stuff that underwrites the previous ALP agenda?

    So what you’re saying is that we’re inevitably going to get a authoritarian Green-ALP regime in the future and Abbott is forestalling this?

    So how do we make the ALP and Greens unpopular so that Abbott or his successors can govern successfully?

    We had six years of bad governance with questionable mandate in 2007-2013, and if this didn’t deliver the Liberals the majority they require, heaven forbid what will convince the public.

    Even if that is so, why not do it earlier?

    You seem to be saying “we’re all fucked” but you’re just wanting to prolong the wait until the end.

    This is nonsense. Abbott ought to be sticking it up the ALP and Greens. Cut their poison pills. End their ABC. Cut spending. Cut taxes. Pay off the deficit. Cut the MRRT and carbon tax. Raise no new taxes. If there is an election, form and alliance with FF, the LDP and Aus TEA Party. Destroy the ALP and Greens primary vote, and a second horn of the attack – have all agree to the following: Preference the ALP and Greens last.

    It is a better approach to your mopey and tragic admission to and acceptance of defeat.

    I mean, what’s the point of this Parliament if the Liberals and their members and supporters have resigned themselves to passing a Greens-ALP agenda for the term of Parliament?

    They are not making themselves popular with the public for 2016 to retake control of the Senate.

    They are proactively running the blade through poison pills and big ticket items of waste.

    They’re not even telegraphing they will cut taxes significantly in the future – the planned one billion in cuts to regulation is a good start, but it’s tiny.

    “he has to do something to solve the debt problem” and
    “Labor are worse.”

    Like I said, everyone who has paid off a debt with a bank (or has encountered waste and pointless regulation as a small business owner) can do better than any of the major parties.

    Why does the Liberal party exist anymore?

    If the same questions were asked at every Liberal branch, state, national meeting and in each council caucus and each state cabinet or shadow cabinet, and in our Federal cabinet, I suspect we may have had not seen any nonsense about raising taxes.

  41. Gab

    lol now the spiel is the tax increase on a few hundred people plus the excise increase on petrol will save the budget! And all this after years of Abbott harping on that the way to get the budget back under control was to stop the wasteful spending and not increase taxes because that’s what Labor would do to save the budget.

    Pathetic.

  42. wreckage

    He supports Hamas and Hezbollah because they are movements supported by democracy, and resists Israel

    Which is a nation supported by democracy.

    and builds settlements on land stolen by military conquest.

    So he also “resists” Every state in Europe, every state in the Middle East, every state in South America… I’m trying to think of a nation that hasn’t built settlements on conquered land, help me out here…

    There will never be peace in the Middle East until there is justice for the Palestinians.

    There’s not a single state in the ME without major ongoing internal or border conflicts, and that situation has been going on since the Middle Ages, when, as until about 50 years ago, “Palestinians” as an ethnic group, did not exist.

    Blaming Israel for the cess-pit states of the ME: it’s like blaming the Jews for Europe’s centuries of incessant warfare. Funnily enough.

  43. chrisl

    Calli : We all want spending cuts! But do you understand the magnitude of the problem? Of course you do.
    I can’t for the life of me understand what public servants do all day. Perhaps Des Deskperson could tell me. But how do you (for example) close Canberra down and put the money into infrastructure? These things have to be done incrementally and be politically sellable.
    I am very happy that the political discussion has turned to finance etc rather than all the bullshit lefty agenda

  44. .

    These things have to be done incrementally and be politically sellable.

    The tax increases are obviously NOT sellable.

  45. Fisky

    Wow is numbers really trying to exonerate the Far Right again? I guess if he is really determined to claim a bunch of racist right wing regimes for the Left, he can take them all! It wouldn’t be the first time the Left propped up the Far Right – as we saw with the MUA supporting Hitler during the Battle of Britain.

  46. Fleeced

    The tax increases are obviously NOT sellable.

    It’s funny isn’t it… we’re not buying, and so we’re criticised on the grounds that their actions must be politically saleable.

  47. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Galloway? Never saw a totalitarian (theocratic fascist or a left-wing dictator) he did not want to blow.

    Iran – seventh century theocratic fascist totalitarians.

    Baathist Iraq and Syria – Both totalitarian national socialist regimes (even based on the old NSDAP thanks to that good old al-Husayni-Himmler connection) with a twist of couscous.

    Hamas and Hezbollah – totalitarian islamist theocratic terrorists.

    Galloway wears his kneepads out when meeting such creatures. In 1937 he’d be Mosely’s sidekick and slobbering over Hitler and Stalin.

    No wonder our pet white supremacist and cowardly racist bigot ‘loves him some Galloway ass’ as one US commentator said about a far left totalitarian over there.

  48. wreckage

    One review of reform concluded that no, POLITICALLY at least, incrementally is bad. Front-load it and let people acclimatise over time.

  49. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Erm, Fisky?

    Totalitarian islamist theocracies are not left or right.

    Baathism was originally invented as an arab nationalist clone of the German national Socialist German Worker’s Party. Who were socialists.

    Numbers is just recognising his own.

  50. Senile Old Guy

    We all want spending cuts! But do you understand the magnitude of the problem? Of course you do.

    Do you understand that the Gesture Tax (deficit) will raise no funds of any significance compared to the deficit?

    The tax increases are obviously NOT sellable.

    It’s funny isn’t it… we’re not buying, and so we’re criticised on the grounds that their actions must be politically saleable.

    LOL. My brain is a pretzel trying to work through the logic of it.

  51. stackja

    Again the rusted on Abbott 666 can not see an alternative.

  52. egg_

    Do you want the debt passed on to the next generation?

    The CAGW argument, eh?
    But, but… the meeja says there’s no debt problem.

  53. chrisl

    I think what is required is a magic wand!
    Are they available on ebay?

  54. Senile Old Guy

    I will acknowledge that, bit by bit, we are getting details of actions to cut down spending but this stuff seems to be kept low profile.

  55. Dan

    Viva, Chris this new tax will reduce the govt’s income not increase it. That’s what happens with marginal rates of 50%. That is the problem. And billions wasted on direct action bullshit, PPL, excise tax increase already pissed away on more spending apparently. Can you respond to this?

  56. cohenite

    Abbott ought to be sticking it up the ALP and Greens. Cut their poison pills. End their ABC. Cut spending. Cut taxes. Pay off the deficit. Cut the MRRT and carbon tax. Raise no new taxes. If there is an election, form and alliance with FF, the LDP and Aus TEA Party. Destroy the ALP and Greens primary vote, and a second horn of the attack – have all agree to the following: Preference the ALP and Greens last.

    numbers, you dreary old communist hack, Galloway is a traitor; he is not a patch on Enoch Powell, the last English public figure with any sense.

  57. A Lurker

    I don’t believe Abbott is a Socialist – his actions – lifesaver, rural fire brigade, volunteering with Aboriginal children, charity bike rides etc., absolutely negates any sort of Socialist tag that people are trying to apply to him here.

    Socialists in politics almost always are out for themselves, look at Gillard, Rudd, Shorten etc – either bending or breaking the law, whiffs or outright choking smoke of corruption, not to mention really dodgy morality and a whatever it takes attitude to getting power and retaining power. Abbott isn’t that – in fact he’s the very opposite of that – he seems to come across to me as very humble with more than a dash of monkish austerity about his worldview. I also feel that he is strongly influenced by the opinions of his wife and daughters.

    Abbott seems to be at pains of ensuring that everyone feels the hurt of the budget – like it or hate it, he is attempting to demonstrate to the little people that the big earners are being hit as well (and I appreciate that you guys are already shouldering the lion’s share of the tax burden) however it all comes down to perception and getting the majority of the population on-side.

    That being said he needs to stand by ALL his electoral promises and not bring in new taxes – savings can be found elsewhere where promises won’t be broken, and he’ll just have to delay Direct Action, the NDIS, and the PPL until we can afford it, which is not now.

  58. Notafan

    I didn’t vote for Mrs Abbott or the girls, so I hope they aren’t influencing government policy.
    Didn’t Palmer accuse Abbott of bringing in PPL for his daughters?

  59. Combine_Dave

    Make an argument defending the tax increases (income and excise) and keeping policies like Direct Action.

    They’ve gotten rid of (or will) the carbon tax, so apparently they need to replace this with something else the voters will freak. I dont belive this but the LNP apparently do. Big new spending requires big new taxes if the budget is to come back from deficit.

    cast the government as a hostage to a left wing Parliament and you’ve also out forward the idea they should not call a DD election.

    Pathetic. But I do agree the voting public would not appreciate a DD and might punish the Libs.

    So Abbott can’t win any new election and he can’t pass any legislation except budget stuff that underwrites the previous ALP agenda?

    The voting public rejected the ALP’s agenda at the last election. It’s a mystery as to why Abbott is attempting to implement this now and fund the whole thing with tax increases.

    Abbott ought to be sticking it up the ALP and Greens. Cut their poison pills. End their ABC. Cut spending. Cut taxes. Pay off the deficit. Cut the MRRT and carbon tax. Raise no new taxes. If there is an election, form and alliance with FF, the LDP and Aus TEA Party. Destroy the ALP and Greens primary vote, and a second horn of the attack – have all agree to the following: Preference the ALP and Greens last.

    It’s the only way to be sure of a win next election. You cant beat the corrupt ALP and their fellow travellers in the APS and media by playing their game and by their rules.

  60. A Lurker

    I didn’t vote for Mrs Abbott or the girls, so I hope they aren’t influencing government policy.
    Didn’t Palmer accuse Abbott of bringing in PPL for his daughters?

    I don’t listen to Palmer so I’m not sure how accurate that is, but I’m sure Abbott’s political mindset is not only formed from his upbringing and faith, but also from his family life and volunteering. He gives of himself and I suspect that he expects others to be as giving – to be selfless like himself, to share the burden. He expects all taxpayers to do the same. That is my opinion and observation.

    My husband, who like myself is a Social Conservative and like myself, has Libertarian leanings, says that the killer is the broken promise. He said you cannot for years attack a Government on breaking a promise and then once you get into Government, do exactly the same as the previous administration and break promises. The electorate have wised up, they won’t forget, and are getting pissed off with lying politicians. He is of the opinion that Australia would benefit if both Labor and Liberals vanished from the political landscape.

  61. cohenite

    I keep telling you Gillard’s was not a broken promise, it was a camouflaged threat.

  62. Notafan

    I’m not convinced I received a promise but if it is generally perceived that he did make one I am more than happy for the deficit levy to go, especially as it appears to be a poor economic decision.

  63. blogstrop

    He promised to fix things up, and he’s going about that. The loony’s want it all now.

  64. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Cripes. Lucky all I wanted was a government who were not incompetent squandermonkeys so stupid they could not pour piss out of a boot without instructions printed on the heel and a shop steward to read them to them, a government who’d stop the wrecking of public finances, start a repair job and deal with border control and sovereignty issues there.

    I got what I voted for.

    I don’t blame you for wanting better – who doesn’t – and yet the whining here’s really a bit over the top. I do not recall Abbott saying he was a Libertarian.

    Leave the whining to the left.

    They have neither dignity nor humanity to lose.

  65. Tom

    I love you like a brother, MK50. But you have very low standards. The Doomlord’s campaign is designed to increase the standards of retail political rubbish like Abbott and Hockey, who consider lying part of their armoury.

  66. Tel

    Abbott and Hockey, who consider lying part of their armoury.

    But lying is part of everyone’s armoury, just a question of how many people decide to follow the example of their leaders and dip into that armoury… and I guess what the consequence is when such activity becomes normal.

  67. Tom

    lying is part of everyone’s armoury

    No.

  68. egg_

    My husband… says that the killer is the broken promise. He said you cannot for years attack a Government on breaking a promise and then once you get into Government, do exactly the same as the previous administration and break promises. The electorate have wised up, they won’t forget, and are getting pissed off with lying politicians.

    Nailed it.

  69. .

    Well. It was good Combine Dave had a response to some of my questions – it is good to see people realise the Liberal party MUST get itself to a better deal in the Senate to govern effectively.

    Yet, I have no fucking idea what I have done to deserve this cruel umbrage:

    cohenite
    #1300111, posted on May 10, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    Abbott ought to be sticking it up the ALP and Greens. Cut their poison pills. End their ABC. Cut spending. Cut taxes. Pay off the deficit. Cut the MRRT and carbon tax. Raise no new taxes. If there is an election, form and alliance with FF, the LDP and Aus TEA Party. Destroy the ALP and Greens primary vote, and a second horn of the attack – have all agree to the following: Preference the ALP and Greens last.

    numbers, you dreary old communist hack, Galloway is a traitor; he is not a patch on Enoch Powell, the last English public figure with any sense.

  70. .

    Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC
    #1300192, posted on May 10, 2014 at 8:42 pm
    Cripes. Lucky all I wanted was a government who were not incompetent squandermonkeys

    So why tax us to pay for the poison pills and promises of the squandermonkeys?

  71. Fisky

    Totalitarian islamist theocracies are not left or right.

    You said that it was a “fascist” regime, which is sufficient for them to be considered on the Far Right.

  72. Fleeced

    He said you cannot for years attack a Government on breaking a promise and then once you get into Government, do exactly the same as the previous administration and break promises.

    +1

    They spent years attacking Gillard on this one thing (and rightly so). Doing the exact same thing is a killer. They may still survive a second term, but this has squandered so much of their capital so early that they’ll be finding it a hell of a lot tougher down the road.

    As I said before, my only hope now is that they’re cutting spending (in net terms – not just replacing it) by significantly more than the amount of these foolish tax increases – but I don’t see how they’ll do that with PPL and direct action – whilst also sticking with NDIS, etc…

  73. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    You said that it was a “fascist” regime, which is sufficient for them to be considered on the Far Right.

    That’s your basic leftyspeak right there. Most use the term as a synonym for ‘totalitarian’, and most totalitarian regimes are socialist. Islamist totalitarian theocracies are islamist totalitarian theocracies.

    As to fascism, it was invented by Mussolini and his mob. And when you really dig back into the roots of that ideology, guess what you find?

    Exactly what you’d expect, of course.

    Mussolini was originally a socialist, a member of the Italian Socialist Party (PSI). He was expelled due to his opposition to PSI’s views on Italian neutrality in WWI. he also had no real ‘product differentiation’ for his views from the socialist mainstream. SO he injected ultra-nationalism and ‘rebuilding Roman glory’ . So anyway he denounced the PSI and founded his own movement, calling it after the ‘fasces’ used by Roman Lictors. Afterthe March on Rome in October 1922 – essentially a putsch – he ruled constitutionally while expanding his party’s grip and the secret police, then destroyed the political opposition (funnily enough, the PSI was top of the list) then passed a series of laws that made Italy into a one-party dictatorship with the model copied not from Imperial Rome (he left the King and the Church) but from the USSR.

    Yet today, he’s thought of as somehow ‘right wing’! Same as the marxists are so desperate to say that Hitler was anything but what he really was – a socialist.

    Yeah, I find this sort of thing a sad indictment of marxist corrosion of the education system.

  74. Fisky

    Yet today, he’s thought of as somehow ‘right wing’! Same as the marxists are so desperate to say that Hitler was anything but what he really was – a socialist.

    Mk50, now I’m confused. In this post titled “As with the far Left in the 60s-70s, so with the far Right now“, you wrote:

    Over the past few years we have seen the right become electorally acceptable in the UK, France, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Switzerland, Austria, Italy, Hungary, Spain and Greece.

    .

    So with far-right parties ‘moderating’ themselves and entering the political mainstream after a very long time on the margins, anti-immigrant views becoming mainstream and multiculturalism increasingly seen as the failure it is, where to now?

    .

    The far right is doing the same now. They are dumping Holocaust denial and overt racism: their expressed views now revolve around problems with the eurozone, economic matters, erosion of sovereignty by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels, and preservation of European liberalism (in the classic sense) from migrants who refuse to assimilate.

    .

    This entry into the mainstream is clearly seen in the changes to the French National Front. The previous leader Jean-Marie le Pen, was an overt racist and anti-semite.

    So it is very clear from your own previous writings that you believe the descendents of National Socialism and Fascism in Europe (including Golden Dawn, the NDP, Jobbik, etc) are properly labelled as “Far Right“. That’s your actual position.

    The end.

  75. Infidel Tiger

    Liberal Party supporters sound exactly like Democrats.

    “There’s a debt crisis! Hose the rich!”

    “If we cut too much the economy will collapse!”

    “Just shut up.”

  76. Fisky

    George Galloway on North Korea

    They have a cohesive, pristine actually, innocent culture, a culture not penetrated by globalisation and Western mores

    Here’s North Korea’s take on their “pristine” culture.

    The people in the north and the south of Korea are of a homogeneous nation who has lived with the same blood and language

    Here’s the official North Korean line on racial purity –

    “U.S. soldiers indulge in bestial sexual assaults against South Korean women, and have polluted the bloodlines of our race, which remained unbroken for 5,000 years, and sullied the purity of the race,”

    So George Galloway supports the Far Right North Korean regime too. Appalling beast he is.

  77. Fisky

    North Korean official news agency says that Obama

    …is a crossbreed with unclear blood

    …still has the figure of a monkey while the human race has evolved through millions of years

    …is a wicked black monkey

    North Korea, as George Galloway put it only slightly more diplomatically, has “a cohesive, pristine actually, innocent culture, a culture not penetrated by globalisation and Western mores”.

    The Far Left – always in bed with the Far Right.

  78. Fisky

    Galloway’s favourite propaganda oufit, North Korea’s news agency, says

    “It would be perfect for Obama to live with a group of monkeys in the world’s largest African natural zoo and lick the bread crumbs thrown by spectators.”

  79. None

    Bolt is wrong. It’s not wowerism. It’s just a seriously bad look a few days before the Budget for Jo Average (unless you are a news junkie and picked up the reports a few days ago that Hockey and Cormann do enjoy cigar breaks and may get cyncial that some news wag thought they’d catch them in the act).

    What I am disappointed about is this. Hockey has been looking pretty good lately having had his stomach stapled or whatever so he can be around for his kids. So smoking cigars kind of tells me he didn’t have the will power to lose weight and isn’t serioius about doing the hard work on his health, for the sake of his family. No wonder he folded on new taxes.

    Cormann. I have liked the guy but I had the impression he worked in the private sector for a while. A bio in the paper the other day, while flattering, painted him as just another party apparatchik and former staffer. I also had him down as someone who had a bit of self discipline. Not only is he a cigar muncher, he’s also fat. Hmm.

  80. Combine_Dave

    Didn’t Cormann work as a gardener in WA (and as a lawyer before emmigrating to Australia)? Does that count?

    Aside from the recent tax debacle (which hopefully won’t appear in the upcoming budget), his performances on tv/radio spruiking small governmnet (and the libs ability to deliver it) have always been outstanding.

  81. Senile Old Guy

    My husband… says that the killer is the broken promise. He said you cannot for years attack a Government on breaking a promise and then once you get into Government, do exactly the same as the previous administration and break promises. The electorate have wised up, they won’t forget, and are getting pissed off with lying politicians.

    Nailed it.

    ++100

    Stop f*cking lying and breaking promises*.

    * On current rumours, I will not be paying the Gesture Tax but will lose benefits…which I don’t claim.

  82. David Black

    I don’t know anyone who hates smoking as much as I do: but I can’t see anything wrong with those two taking a break outside, and not bothering anyone with their cigars.
    This is just not an issue.

  83. None

    Talking the talk Combine Dave is one thing. Walking the walk is another.

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