Thursday Forum: November 20, 2014

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  1. Infidel Tiger

    Happy National Transgender Grievance Day!

  2. custard

    From the other fred
    ABC (former) Managing Director Mark Scott at senate estimates tonight from 6.00pm according to sneerer-in-chief

    https://twitter.com/GreenJ

    View at aph.gov.au (watch parliament)

  3. Percy

    Mark Scott at senate estimates tonight

    Is he stopping in to get his feet licked clean or something?

  4. Rabz

    This is gold:

    ‘Stop already, Sir Bob’: Geldof’s Band Aid 30 song unpopular among Africans

    Ghanian-raised singer Fuse ODG pulled out of the project because he was appalled by the lyrics, while a pro-Africa website has published a stinging open letter criticising the song.

  5. Percy

    Happy National Transgender Grievance Day!

    That deserves a toast.

    *raises glass* “Ahem. To Grieving Trannies. May all their penises be inverted.”

    Did I get that right?

  6. Leigh Lowe

    Jack Thompson is possible a worse actor than Nicole Kidman.

    Big Ted from Play School has a broader range than both Niccy and Jack combined.

  7. Rabz

    Jack Thompson is possibly a worse actor than Nicole Kidman

    You philistines – where are the much deserved accolades for the world’s only ambulatory fence post, Bryan Brown??

  8. notafan

    I’ve wondered for years how Ms Kidman got so many plum roles, she acts as well as Ms Kylie Minogue sings.

  9. Makka

    It amazes me how anyone stumps up the money for a Kidman epic. I avoid her films like the plague. And now that she has botoxed everything above her top lip as stiff as a surfboard she strikes me as even more unbelievable. If that was possible.

  10. Grigory M

    It’s beer o’clock 🙂

  11. ChrisPer

    Big Ted from Play School has a broader range than both Niccy and Jack combined.

    Harsh. Nicole Kidman has ranged from flirty vixen to evil genius, and done it competently. That ass wiggling in the headlights in ‘To Die For’ – who knew she could DO that?

    Jack Thompson has acted the full range of parts from Jack Thompson to Jack Thompson, and done that competently. That’s a marginally broader range than Big Ted. Loved him in The Oyster Farmer – sort of a Hunter version of Colonel Kurz.

  12. Rabz

    The Circus continues:

    ROGUE senator Jacqui Lambie has not ruled out forming her own party and has warned Clive Palmer she’ll have more to say about his “intimidating” behaviour under parliamentary privilege.

    Via the Oz.

  13. ChrisPer

    Problem with hung Parliaments in Australia: not enough lamp-posts involved.

  14. egg_

    The Rhinestone Cowboys Well-hung Ploughboys?

    (c/- Rodney Rude).

  15. Infidel Tiger

    Jacqui Lambie has not ruled out forming her own party

    Margaret Thatcher and Penny Wong are her political idols.

    For a depressed drunk with a crook back and a hairy bush this sheila has done bloody well for herself… all on our dime.

  16. daggers

    ‘There will be no cuts to the ABC’

    Abbott was badgered into this but it just shows yet again what a mistake the soft pedal policy is. His intention was to show them he’s not such a bad guy after all. He would have lost no votes by stating that the ABC might face cuts after the election. Those who get knickers knotted over this were always voting Green/ Labor. What was there to lose ? Now protest rallies are coming and we see him twisting and turning as he tries to explain why this isn’t a broken promise. Much better to just put it out there and ride it out.

  17. goatjam

    “Should aussie kids be able to choose our Prime Minister? Tonight on The Project”

    FMD

  18. Mike of Marion

    ABC Adelaide Radio ecstatic!!!! Victoria to burn in this summer because of Global Warming.

    Fear mongers

  19. Infidel Tiger

    You philistines – where are the much deserved accolades for the world’s only ambulatory fence post, Bryan Brown??

    Atrocious. He’s the only actor that needs an annual termite inspection.

  20. Armadillo

    The worldwide cost of obesity is about the same as smoking or armed conflict and greater than both alcoholism and climate change, research has suggested.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-30122015

  21. Infidel Tiger

    ‘There will be no cuts to the ABC’

    Just idiocy to make these promises.

    All one needs to say is “We will be making no expenditure decisions until we see the true state of the half trillion dollar debt that Labor has left you, your children and grandchildren.”

    Then when elected “The joints fucked. We’re selling up”

  22. .

    For a depressed drunk with a crook back and a hairy bush this sheila has done bloody well for herself… all on our dime.

    So we should go out and get a grant?

    I would like to know more.

  23. ChrisPer

    Just saw Bryan Brown in ‘The Shiralee’.
    He was right for it. There is an Australia where peopledon’t all act like daaaahling air-kissing North Shore doctor’s wives.

  24. stackja

    MSM is silent when the ALP does not keep promises.

  25. Tim Neilson

    “The worldwide cost of obesity is about the same as smoking or armed conflict and greater than both alcoholism and climate change, research has suggested.”
    Well, I’ve no doubt it’s greater than climate change.
    Roy and HG had the best anti-obesity strategy – every time you see a fat kid, give them a boot up the date.

  26. goatjam

    “All one needs to say is “We will be making no expenditure decisions until we see the true state of the half trillion dollar debt that Labor has left you, your children and grandchildren.”

    It’s such a simple concept that just trying to comprehend what passes for strategic thinking in the LNP makes my head hurt.

    The epic levels of failure achieved by Tony Credlin and the LNP starting from around July 2013 is so profound it should be classed as criminally negligent and result in a gaol term for treason for all involved.

  27. A Lurker

    Cue the boardroom scene from the movie ‘Dogma’.

  28. Roger

    Jack Thompson is possible a worse actor than Nicole Kidman.

    I once heard him say Donald Pleasance once gave him some advice on how to act before the cameras – as opposed to on the stage – along the lines of “on the stage you have to act the role, on the set you just think it and let the camera do the work”.

    Unfortunately Jack didn’t take the advice and has been over-acting in films since the 1980s.

  29. Yohan

    This is a great article on the psychology of progressive left feminists. aka Social Justice Warrior

    http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-a-social-justice-warrior-sjw

  30. Yohan

    It’s such a simple concept that just trying to comprehend what passes for strategic thinking in the LNP makes my head hurt.

    The epic levels of failure achieved by Tony Credlin and the LNP starting from around July 2013 is so profound it should be classed as criminally negligent and result in a gaol term for treason for all involved.

    I understand the criticism since the election, but what did you think was the wrong strategy she took in july-september 2013?

  31. Infidel Tiger

    Probably the worst movie I have ever seen is Australia.

    It was worse than living here.

  32. Lysander

    ‘There will be no cuts to the ABC’

    Jonathan Green is banging on about this “broken promise” when he can’t even substantiate his claim that Gillard said she “was determined to put a price on Carbon” in his book

    The Year My Politics Broke.

    Idiot.

  33. Armadillo

    A snippet from the article. Noooo….

    “These initiatives would need to draw on interventions that rely less on individual responsibility and more on changes to the environment,” the report said.

    AND

    It said these were more effective than taxes on high-fat and high-sugar products or public health campaigns. Weight management programmes and workplace fitness schemes were also considered.

    Repeatedly telling your mate he’s a fat bastard used to cost nothing. The cheapest solution would be to repeal whatever “anti” law that the Government introduced to stop you from doing it. If you wish to be more “subtle”, simply purchase them a full length mirror every birthday and Christmas.

  34. Infidel Tiger

    The Cat strikes again:

    A National Party MP who pushed for the burqa ban in Parliament has taken aim at halal food, suggesting money spent on certifying it may be funding terrorism and efforts to implement sharia.

    Coaltion backbencher George Christensen said all products certified as halal, including Vegemite, should be labelled as such – so people can avoid buying them.

    “It’s lovely to know a jar of the salty black stuff is sponsoring the advocacy of robbing women of all of their marital property rights,” Mr Christensen wrote.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/george-christensen-uses-vegemite-to-suggest-halal-products-are-funding-terrorism-and-sharia-20141120-11q2lq.html#ixzz3JaeEolr9

  35. Infidel Tiger

    Welcome to Australia:

    City apartments being used as “party pads” by people renting from sharing websites like Airbnb would be stamped out under a state election pledge by Labor.

    It’s a toilet.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/victoria-state-election-2014/victorian-state-election-labor-to-clamp-down-on-party-pads-20141120-11qnaj.html#ixzz3JaeZAXrI

  36. egg_

    Jonathan Green… in his book:
    The Year My Politics Depends Broke.

    FTFY.

  37. MartinG

    Carry over.

    C.L.
    #1518259, posted on November 20, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    JC, I’m assuming they measure pre-modern oceanic acid in ice cores.

    As far as I’m aware, there are no ocean ice cores of over any substantive time. Ice is both viscous and transient.

    Any ice formed in the oceans is seasonal and so melts over short spans of time. Longer lasting ice is formed on land by snow so, due to it’s cumulative nature the weight of the new snow forces the ice below to flatten and push out. This action means any ice formed on land will flow to lower altitudes or be squeezed into the surrounding oceans.

    The only ancient ice cores we have is where the snow has fallen over a deep basin and been trapped.

    Greenland has some basins but the oldest ones are on the Antarctic continent.

    There is no reliable data on the oceans historic pH (acidity) levels because both high low levels are reactive, meaning it depends on the given environmental situation at any given time of the water.

    There are now some ocean surface records of pH but they only go back to the beginning to the measurement capabilities of the satellite era.

    It’s would be extremely difficult, and has not been done yet, to measure historic deep ocean pH conditions. It will come as no surprise to most here that anthropogenic ocean acidification is yet another tiresome lie by the anti-industrialists.

    This is a complex subject because ocean surface water will increase it’s level of dissolved carbon dioxide depending on atmospheric levels but due to temperature, depth of mixing and many other factors it doesn’t necessarily follow this will increase acidity at depth.

  38. H B Bear

    Jonathan Green is banging on about this “broken promise” when he can’t even substantiate his claim that Gillard said she “was determined to put a price on Carbon” in his book The Year My Politics Broke.

    Spearing Moose Knuckles must be worth about $350,000 including on-costs. Only $499,650,000 to go.

  39. Leigh Lowe

    You philistines – where are the much deserved accolades for the world’s only ambulatory fence post, Bryan Brown??

    He makes a cigar store Indian look like Richard Simmons on crack.

  40. Senile Old Guy

    A snippet from the article. Noooo….

    Having read many (too many) to want to read another but without doing so, I have no doubt that the authors have made large and unsubstantiated assumptions about the costs.

  41. custard

    Obeid friend Dastyari now interviewing SBS MD, (former) ABC MD Mark Scott next

    fast forward to approx 4.47.00 here: (best set to low res with poor internet speed) and listen to green filth senator Ludlum accuse the LNP of extortion…..

    http://parlview.aph.gov.au/mediaPlayer.php?videoID=244036

  42. Leigh Lowe

    Jack Thompson is possibly a worse actor than Nicole Kidman

    Jack Thomson managed to convince a bunch of dung-punchers running inner-city theatre companies that he was the “quintessential Aussie bloke”, when he was about as representative of the typical Aussie bloke as Liberace’s mother.

  43. Armadillo

    Jonathan Green is banging on about this “broken promise” when he can’t even substantiate his claim that Gillard said she “was determined to put a price on Carbon” in his book The Year My Politics Broke.

    Settle Mr Bear. JC will figure out that Mr Green is on Twitter and remind him of that fact daily. Hendo can’t get a reply. Can JC succeed where Hendo failed? It sounds like a challenge to me.

  44. Geriatric Mayfly

    Went to the Senate on your advice Custard and that vacuous twit Ludlum seems to be running the show. A most unsavoury spectacle.

  45. cynical1

    Probably the worst movie I have ever seen is Australia.

    Anything with Baz Luhrmann involved is usually crap.

    Bombastic pillock he is.

    Every scene, every actor, every story has to be over the top.

    Like his budgets…

  46. That’s a marginally broader range than Big Ted.

    I object to that.

    Big Ted has shown considerable versatility over the years, and has always performed well with a range of diverse colleagues. He is also looking very good for his age, although I suspect that he may have had some work done.

  47. Baldrick

    46th Battalion A.I.F.

    As part of the 12th Brigade of the 4th Australian Division, the 46th Battalion arrived in France on 8 June 1916, destined for the Western Front. It participated in its first major battle and endured two stints in the heavily contested trenches of Pozières, as well as a period in reserve.

    After Pozières, in 1917, it took part in the attack mounted against the heavily defended village of Bullecourt. Later in the year, the focus of the AIF’s operations switched to the Ypres sector in Belgium where the 46th took part in the battles of Messines and Passchendaele.

  48. Lysander

    Settle Mr Bear. JC will figure out that Mr Green is on Twitter and remind him of that fact daily. Hendo can’t get a reply. Can JC succeed where Hendo failed? It sounds like a challenge to me.

    I @embritts did ask Jonathan Sneerer Green to substantiate it but no luck so far; I might see if JC will join the party…

  49. custard

    GM

    The web address will change shortly as the player has just about reached 5 hrs, and yes that cnut Ludlam is certainly someone who I would wish Ebola on…….

  50. Up The Workers!

    “Happy National Trans-gender Grievance Day!”?

    I bet most of them are so happy, they don’t know whether they’re Arthur or Martha!

  51. cynical1

    Jack Thomson managed to convince a bunch of dung-punchers running inner-city theatre companies that he was the “quintessential Aussie bloke”.

    Meh.

    Micheal Pate went to Hollywood and convinced a bunch of American dung punchers
    that he was a better Red Indian than the locals.

    Who were Red Indians….

  52. Bern1

    So, ya reckon Eddie is having a good day? Sir Lunchalot looks quite relaxxed.

  53. goatjam

    I understand the criticism since the election, but what did you think was the wrong strategy she took in july-september 2013?

    That period covered the election campaign, during which we got:

    An unwanted PPL scheme, pledge to support Labors unfunded Gonski idiocy, pledge to support Labors unfunded and rort-tastic NDS scheme, promise zero cuts to the bloated, anti democracy ABC, promise no cuts to welfare. I’m sure there is more.

    All they had to do was exactly what IT suggested which was to make no promises on the basis that Labor has a long history of lying about the governments finances and a long history of planting financial time bombs for incoming governments.

    There was no reason whatsoever to make that ridiculous raft of promises. They could have won the election by just saying nothing at all

  54. custard

    New player for senate estimates, stupid questions still coming from Greens, ALP senators to SBS MD, (former)ABC MD to follow now here:
    http://parlview.aph.gov.au/mediaPlayer.php?videoID=244072

    best set to low res

  55. custard

    Senate estimates suspended till 7.30 EDST

  56. MsDolittle

    City apartments being used as “party pads” by people renting from sharing websites like Airbnb would be stamped out under a state election pledge by Labor.

    I use airbnb frequently. I often have a few people over, that’s why I prefer a “pad” to an hotel room. Typical, Labor offering party police.

  57. Leigh Lowe

    City apartments being used as “party pads” by people renting from sharing websites like Airbnb would be stamped out under a state election pledge by Labor.

    If this is a matter for regulation it sits with Bodies Corporate, not with Gummint.

  58. cohenite

    George Christensen; what a guy; that’s 2 strikes.

  59. City apartments being used as “party pads” by people renting from sharing websites like Airbnb would be stamped out under a state election pledge by Labor.

    There are zoning laws for a reason. Not every govt. regulation is designed purely for the purpose of restricting someone’s freedom.
    Those who live on a residential street/beach/wherever, & all their neighbors start overnight lettings to foreigners & out-of-towners, well it must feel much like being a town on the receiving end of FIFO (& that ain’t much fun).

  60. cohenite

    And straight away on the fair fucked pages:

    Craig Harvey @Craig_Harvey
    Follow
    Hey @GChristensenMP I’m more concerned about my tax dollars being used to further religion via school chaplain program

    Craig does have a point about religion in schools; but equating some school chaplains with the religion of pieces shows, once again, that the left is stupid.

  61. Armadillo

    So, ya reckon Eddie is having a good day?

    Listening to the local radio yesterday, I heard that Phillip Hannah (Armidale) had fronted the beak about falsifying records (Anthony Hannah I thought they said) to get a liquor licence. The excuse was that he had to because he needed to avoid detection from some previous associates from the Commancheros or something. The judge went in hard, and slapped him with a good behaviour bond. A quick search of the net didn’t bring up any links. I’ll look later. All of them are tied up with Eddie, Torbay (remember him) and so on in one way or another. I’d imagine Eddie will sleep just fine tonight.

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/the-secret-life-of-richard-torbay-20130329-2gz4a.html

    Note: no inference on the rest of the Hannah family. One of the brothers is a Catholic priest (and a damn nice bloke).

  62. MsDolittle

    There was no reason whatsoever to make that ridiculous raft of promises. They could have won the election by just saying nothing at all

    True. They should have called a DD whilst voters still had their dander up, then we may have been spared this constipated senate.

  63. Infidel Tiger

    There are zoning laws for a reason. Not every govt. regulation is designed purely for the purpose of restricting someone’s freedom.
    Those who live on a residential street/beach/wherever, & all their neighbors start overnight lettings to foreigners & out-of-towners, well it must feel much like being a town on the receiving end of FIFO (& that ain’t much fun).

    Stop talking you’re own book.

    Next you’ll be banning a group of more than 2 people having a beer at a private residence.

  64. MsDolittle

    overnight lettings to foreigners & out-of-towners, well it must feel much like being a town on the receiving end of FIFO (& that ain’t much fun).

    Or a tourist destination offering many business opportunities for locals. And I don’t think you can’t come to my party with that sad sack attitude.

  65. Leigh Lowe

    Mark Scott outs himself as a liar, a fraud and useless at arithmetic …

    The ABC is planning its cost-saving measures on this schedule. The 5 per cent cut, which begins to apply from next year, comes on top of a 3 per cent reduction in funding through the termination of the Australia Network work contract and the efficiency cut imposed in the May budget. As the cuts ramp up, the ABC faces an 8 per cent annual cut.

    Firstly, Scotty, the Australia Network was $220 m over ten years, or $22m per annum. With an annual budget of $1.22 bn, I make that 1.8%, not 3%. So that is a fail on the arithmetic.
    Secondly, the $220m was supposed to be the direct cost of running the network. It can’t be a budget cut if both the revenue and the cost go away, can it Scotty? Unless you were simply serving up repeats and other programming for which there was no incremental cost, and you were just using this as a mechanism to jack up your budget?

  66. JC

    Looks like Fairfax actually dodged a bullet with him moving to the ABC, Leigh. Hard to believe, but it looks like its true.

  67. goatjam

    True. They should have called a DD whilst voters still had their dander up, then we may have been spared this constipated senate.

    Exactly. They should have gone in hard, let the senate play silly buggers, make a case for change and then given the electorate the chance to give them the mandate they required.

    Although with the way a DD works it might have been a year before they could call one. It wasn’t until July 2014 that the new senate was formed, then they need to have had their legislation blocked in the senate more than a couple of times before they can call one.

  68. JC

    There are zoning laws for a reason. Not every govt. regulation is designed purely for the purpose of restricting someone’s freedom.
    Those who live on a residential street/beach/wherever, & all their neighbors start overnight lettings to foreigners & out-of-towners, well it must feel much like being a town on the receiving end of FIFO (& that ain’t much fun).

    As a pub and hotel owner, you’re saying this? Are you even self aware, Stevie?

  69. .

    There are zoning laws for a reason. Not every govt. regulation is designed purely for the purpose of restricting someone’s freedom.
    Those who live on a residential street/beach/wherever, & all their neighbors start overnight lettings to foreigners & out-of-towners, well it must feel much like being a town on the receiving end of FIFO (& that ain’t much fun).

    There is no reason for town planning at all. Most of it is utterly redundant, what is can be dealt with in community title rules.

  70. MsDolittle

    Er, so I guess you can come if you want.

  71. Leo G

    ‘There will be no cuts to the ABC’

    That’s what the usual culprits claim that Tony Abbott said in an SBS interview that amounted to a ballot box pledge.
    Did he actually make such an unequivocal assurances? What was the context?
    From the well-reported interview:

    Anton Enus: “What about public broadcasters, Mr Abbott, another soft target? Are the ABC and the SBS in the firing line?”
    Tony Abbott: “I trust everyone has listened to what Joe Hockey has said, last week and again this week: no cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST, and, no cuts to the ABC or SBS.”

    It looks to me that Mr Abbott didn’t actually answer the question, but referred in part to what Joe Hockey had said a week earlier. No ballot box pledge there. No promise either. Not even a guarantee that the PM gave adequate context to what Hockey had said.
    That the ABC and SBS continue to claim the PM’s comment about Joe Hockey was a pledge by the PM goes to the justification of the cuts that have now been announced.

  72. Biota

    Toronto police are asking for the public’s assistance identifying two men who robbed a jewellery store last month while wearing burkas.
    http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/11/19/two-men-disguised-in-burkas-rob-toronto-jewelry-store-at-gunpoint-hauling-in-500k-in-merchandise/

    H/T SDA

  73. JC

    There is no reason for town planning at all. Most of it is utterly redundant, what is can be dealt with in community title rules.

    Like Texas where there is little to no government imposed zoning and you find the developers incorporate private zoning in the title.

    I actually have a friend who seemed bright enough. The one day we got to talking about zoning laws. The idiot lives in pretty expensive burb and he explained we need zoning because there’s nothing to stop say a steel factory setting up his burb and ruining it…. In other words a steel producer would be able to buy say 10 acres of Toorak land and then set up a profitable steel operation. It’s fucking unbelievable what people think.

  74. calli

    Youse guys can rubbish Jack Thompson all you like. He was pretty scrummy back in the day. That was when he was living in a menage a trois with a couple of sisters. They obviously saw something to like… 😀

  75. JC

    It looks to me that Mr Abbott didn’t actually answer the question, but referred in part to what Joe Hockey had said a week earlier.

    It’s pretty clear he did in fact say there would be no cuts. It’s his fucking fault for not being exact with language. But he did state there would be no cuts. he also said there would be no tax increases too. No question he’s lied.

  76. Kaboom

    What are you lot on about?

    I thought that Our Nicole was terrific in BMX Bandits

    You utter Philistines should look at this sort YouTube trailer.

    Stirring stuff…

  77. Kaboom

    “Short”, not “sort”.

    Damn, where’s that “edit” button again?

  78. Notafan

    That you airbnb is a matter for the property owner and their neighbours.
    I’ve rented lots of places in Europe from airbnb and similar outfits, some owners won’t take bookings from demographics they deem high risk and others stipulate no noise after 10, no high heels etc.
    If there are problems existing noise rules (or some respect from property owners for their neighbours) etc should deal with it not more legislation from nanny Dan.
    Lord, I’m looking forward to an Andrew’s government, its going to be a barrel of laughs as the pompous git drones on about all the things he’s going to make us do or not do for our own good.

  79. JC

    Youse guys can rubbish Jack Thompson all you like.

    He’s a disgusting fat slob and thoroughly deserves a decent beating. He was grossly rude to a friend once he he came awfully close to the decent biffing in an elevator.

  80. Leigh Lowe

    Looks like Fairfax actually dodged a bullet with him moving to the ABC, Leigh. Hard to believe, but it looks like its true.

    A bullet fired by Fairfax themselves it must be said. Who appointed him? Hywood and the Grocer?
    Has there been a more incompetent board in Australia in the last 25 years than this bunch of muppets. Seriously, you wouldn’t let them run the local kindergarten.

  81. Tel

    … then we may have been spared this constipated senate.

    The senate is doing its job. The executive holds the purse strings, they can defund at will, nothing holding them back whatsoever. Any new law passed has immense cost to citizens (well, to the handful of law abiding ones anyhow) so it rightly should be difficult to pass new laws.

    What we should be spared is the excuses.

  82. .

    I actually have a friend who seemed bright enough. The one day we got to talking about zoning laws. The idiot lives in pretty expensive burb and he explained we need zoning because there’s nothing to stop say a steel factory setting up his burb and ruining it…. In other words a steel producer would be able to buy say 10 acres of Toorak land and then set up a profitable steel operation. It’s fucking unbelievable what people think.

    Ah god why don’t educated people realise that the sums don’t add up? How much would that land be worth? 100 mn?

    No one in their right mind save for centrally planned, government owned entities would invest in a loser like that, with absurd start up costs.

    A free market in land makes decisions like that utterly impossible.

    Developers would be incentivised to create community title too that would ensure the tranquility of suburbs such as Toorak as well.

  83. Infidel Tiger

    Firstly, Scotty, the Australia Network was $220 m over ten years, or $22m per annum. With an annual budget of $1.22 bn, I make that 1.8%, not 3%. So that is a fail on the arithmetic.

    Have you ever known anyone who is employed by the taxpayer who can add up?

  84. Leigh Lowe

    There is no reason for town planning at all. Most of it is utterly redundant, what is can be dealt with in community title rules.

    What do you mean by “community title rules” Dot?

  85. blogstrop

    Do They Know It’s Christmas Time At All?

    Well, no, not in the top half of Africa, which is quite a large chunk. It’s also trying to go south, has been for a long time. They don’t appreciate Bing Crosby and White Christmas either.

    And this message:

    It’s Christmas time, there’s no need to be afraid,
    At Christmas time, we let in light and we banish shade.

    Africa remains the dark continent, and in the absence of good ol’ colonialism by the more enlightened members of the European family (let’s leave out Belgium, Portugal and Spain), it will become darker if PC reigns supreme. The signs are there now.

    The Chinese might win this one though.

  86. calli

    JC…sarcasm alert…

    You had a chance to box the bugger’s ears? And there was no queue? What a wasted opportunity!

  87. JC

    Leo

    Tony Abbott: “I trust everyone has listened to what Joe Hockey has said, last week and again this week: no cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST, and, no cuts to the ABC or SBS.”

    With the exception of some pensions and GST, he lied, clearly lied about everything else. He has tried to cut education through fees potentially going up. He’s tried to introduce a co-payment and he’s cut the ABC budget.
    All the idiot should have done is go the Hockey route and say he makes no promises other than try not to cut.

    Oh no, but not our Tony.

  88. Grigory M

    They obviously saw something to like…

    calli – that’s revolting.

  89. There is no reason for town planning at all. Most of it is utterly redundant, what is can be dealt with in community title rules.

    Quite so, & it’d almost certainly work a whole lot better than zoning laws.

  90. Leigh Lowe

    Youse guys can rubbish Jack Thompson all you like.

    He’s a disgusting fat slob and thoroughly deserves a decent beating. He was grossly rude to a friend once he he came awfully close to the decent biffing in an elevator.

    Christ, I’d get the Otis blokes in to do a bit of QC on the lift cables after that fucking blob had been for a ride in it.

  91. Tel

    Those who live on a residential street/beach/wherever, & all their neighbors start overnight lettings to foreigners & out-of-towners, well it must feel much like being a town on the receiving end of FIFO (& that ain’t much fun).

    I support the idea that if a town democratically vote and decide to ban FIFO workers from their town completely they have every right to do that.

    Naturally, the mining operators also have every right to set up their own accommodation camps and completely bypass all local business if they choose to do that.

    Absolute right of non-association, very fundamental, we need it.

  92. blogstrop

    That was when he was living in a menage a trois with a couple of sisters.

    That would be the NIDA training asserting itself.

  93. Stop talking you’re own book.

    ?????????????
    Stop drinking your own home brew before typing. (just a suggestions, you’re not making sense)

    Next you’ll be banning a group of more than 2 people having a beer at a private residence.

    relevance to zoning laws please? (you’ll have to put down the tankard to think about a reply)

  94. Leigh Lowe

    Have you ever known anyone who is employed by the taxpayer who can add up?

    They’re pretty fucking good at sums if you try to diddle their flexitime by 3 minutes.

  95. Rabz

    no cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST, and, no cuts to the ABC or SBS.

    FFS, what a dickhead – and no changes to IR, with the frigging Fair Work regime being one of the most egregious brakes on economic growth and employment since those labor union morons inflicted it on an unwitting populace.

  96. goatjam

    Tony Abbott: “I trust everyone has listened to what Joe Hockey has said, last week and again this week: no cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST, and, no cuts to the ABC or SBS.”

    It looks to me that Mr Abbott didn’t actually answer the question, but referred in part to what Joe Hockey had said a week earlier. No ballot box pledge there.

    That is a pretty weak equivocation. To believable, one has to accept that Tony Abbott was saying that “whatever the shadow treasurer has said I will not honor it”

    Hardly a cohesive platform to go to an election with. Also, expecting to be able to equivocate that away in the manner you have suggested, and expecting the public (led by the media) to buy it is a recipe for failure. I repeat, the promises made during the election campaign sowed the seeds of failure that the LNP is now reaping. Politically speaking the LNP are the most pathetically inept bunch of morons in living memory.

  97. .

    A covenant relating to land development and use rules made by private bodies, offered through a developer and ultimately run by a property (home) owner’s association.

  98. Lysander

    Good work as always on twitter Jc 🙂

  99. Anton Enus:

    No way. Was that his real name?

  100. They obviously saw something to like…

    I’ve seen the celebrated nudie shot, and I don’t see it. But perhaps it’s because I don’t really find blonde men attractive.

  101. Naturally, the mining operators also have every right to set up their own accommodation camps and completely bypass all local business if they choose to do that.

    Er… that is how FIFO works. You’re how familiar did you say, with FIFO?
    (All local businesses are bypassed, except pubs, we make an absolute total, complete & utter fortune from FIFO.)

    But that wasn’t my point. Economic doldrums for the town aside, it ain’t much fun being on the receiving end. There are a lot of social issues that come with being on the recieving end of FIFO (any GP will quickly fill you in on this aspect). There are lots of other most unpleasant aspects to it.
    Human nature is the cause. Softcock government is the facilitator.

  102. blogstrop

    Philippa, you hairest!

  103. MartinG

    JC
    #1518272, posted on November 20, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Oh okay, got it. It’s a model of course. How could I possibly not know that.

    Scientists looked at changes in the saturation level of aragonite, a form of calcium carbonate used to measure ocean acidification.

    As seawater acidity rises, the saturation level of aragonite falls.

    However the new research used simulations of ocean and climate conditions going back 21,000 years to the Last Glacial Maximum and forward in time to the end of the 21st century.

    What they have done is compare a time when the oceans were considerably cooler then than they are now. We are Inter-Glacial period.

    In several key coral reef regions aragonite saturation is already five times below its lowest pre-industrial range, according to the model.

    This translates to a decrease in overall calcification rates of corals and other shell-forming organisms of 15%, scientists at the university believe.

    As I explained in my previous post, there are many factors that can influence surface acidity, temperature being one and atmospheric pH the other. Other questions would involve the different grow rates of corals in cooler waters compared with our warmer waters. I bet you have to pay to read the full study.

  104. Leigh Lowe

    Anton Enus:

    No way. Was that his real name?

    He’s the dick on the SBS promo saying how he experienced racism first-hand growing up in Seth Effrica, so, you know, is entitled to smackdown any white bread Aussies who aren’t feral green lefties.

  105. blogstrop

    And all these years we were being told it’s really about character.

  106. Cold-Hands

    Micheal Pate went to Hollywood and convinced a bunch of American dung punchers
    that he was a better Red Indian than the locals.

    Not to mention his turn as an Argentinian ballet dancer...

  107. Philippa, you hairest!

    Nonsense. I love hairy men. Just not blonde ones. I even like bald men more than blondies.

  108. He’s the dick on the SBS promo saying how he experienced racism first-hand growing up in Seth Effrica

    I don’t think it was racism.

    I think it was people making fun of his name, which it would have been really hard not to, especially in primary school.

  109. ..is entitled to smackdown any white bread Aussies who aren’t feral green lefties.

    Hehe, not being the most macho of blokes, he’d be well advised to restrict delivering these smackdowns from the safety of a TV studio.
    Should he try it, say, in a truckstop, shearing shed, or wharfie’s pub, he may find smackdowns (in every sense of the word) can be a very two-way tactile experience.

  110. AC

    “It’s lovely to know a jar of the salty black stuff is sponsoring the advocacy of robbing women of all of their marital property rights,” Mr Christensen wrote.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/george-christensen-uses-vegemite-to-suggest-halal-products-are-funding-terrorism-and-sharia-20141120-11q2lq.html#ixzz3JaeEolr9

    Christensen is a good role model for the LNP. See how he uses feminism to justify his anti-halal stance. Use the weapons of the Left against them – make leftists taste their own medicine. It is the best way to make them shut up and end the debate with a win for the Right.

  111. Use the weapons of the Left against them – make leftists taste their own medicine. It is the best way to make them shut up and end the debate with a win for the Right.

    Extremely true.

    But you have to get your grievance trumps in the right order, or you may be outfoxed by them.

  112. blogstrop

    I even like bald men more than blondies.

    That’ll go down well.

  113. I even like bald men more than blondies.

    That’ll go down well.

    Not just giving the Doomlord an ego massage, either. Honestly, I do.

    Rangas also rate more highly than blondies for me.

    Funny, isn’t it. I couldn’t tell you why; I’ve just always been like this.

  114. I even like bald men more than blondies.

    Trend following conformist!
    There was a post on a recent thread about how 50% of young lads are getting the full baldy-bat wax treatment, you may actually be on to something.

  115. blogstrop

    Coppertops do have a special chemical appeal, I have to admit.

  116. Leo G

    It’s pretty clear he did in fact say there would be no cuts. It’s his fucking fault for not being exact with language. But he did state there would be no cuts. he also said there would be no tax increases too. No question he’s lied.

    Tony Abbott claimed that Joe Hockey had said “no cuts”. His evasive response was not inexact and did not qualify anything Hockey had said.
    Nor do I believe that the evasion amounted to any deliberate attempt to deceive. It was not a lie- not unless he deliberately misrepresented Hockey (which did not appear to be the case).
    The lies, in my view, were the misrepresentations by the media after the interview.

  117. Armadillo

    I assume that this is somehow linked to Margaret Cunneen’s court case about advising her sons girlfriend to fake breathing problems when being asked for a breath test? Perhaps the cops do have a phone tap?

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/charges-recommended-for-gambling-identity-stephen-fletcher-20141120-11qmsk.html

  118. Rangas also rate more highly than blondies for me.

    Okay please. (Education day for me, I learned upthread – after a lifetime of wondering – the meaning of the word “Freshman”)

    Please, what is the meaning of “Ranga”? I’ve only ever heard it used in the same sentence as Julia Gillard’s name, and never having heard it before, assumed from context it meant some sort of bogan.
    From the above it seems this may not be so?

  119. Gab

    I even like bald men more than blondies.

    Me too. I can’t tell you why either. Maybe it’s a trust thing for me, blonde-haired men don’t seem trustworthy at first glance but you can trust a bald man (not one with a comb-over though! Yuk). Not very scientific but there you have it.

  120. JC

    Seriously, I can’t believe there are people around that think Abbott didn’t lie. Leo, it’s staring at you in the face and you make excuses for him. The dick is a professional pol, if he can’t choose his words correctly he shouldn’t be in that job. Fuck him.

    You actually ought to be mightily pissed off with him for making those commitments. Commitments he couldn’t keep.

  121. MsDolittle

    steel producer would be able to buy say 10 acres of Toorak

    Darling, please don’t, the traffic will be terribly tarsome. How on earth will I be able to get the Porsche Cayenne out of first gear?

  122. JC

    Leo

    Keep dreaming. There’s nothing evasive about what he said. He was as clear and a sunny day.

  123. blogstrop

    Anyone who thought there’d be no cuts for pretty much anything and everything, given the unmitigated budgetary and debt disaster of the Rudd/Goose/Gillard years, was in la-la media gotchaland, which has no resemblance to reality.

  124. calli

    I bought that first issue of Cleo, with its “sealed section”.

    Having been educated by the blue Messell science tome, my first thought when viewing the centrefold was “just one hand to conceal?”.

    I was young and very naive.

  125. ….my first thought when viewing the centrefold was “just one hand to conceal?”.

    A six-foot crowbar is able to be concealed with just one hand, provided the angle is carefully selected.

    Just sayin’ 😉

  126. goatjam

    Anyone who thought there’d be no cuts for pretty much anything and everything, given the unmitigated budgetary and debt disaster of the Rudd/Goose/Gillard years, was in la-la media gotchaland, which has no resemblance to reality.

    This is entirely true of course. It doesn’t excuse Abbott for pandering to people with that delusion and then expecting things to go well when he couldn’t deliver.

  127. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Please, what is the meaning of “Ranga”? I’ve only ever heard it used in the same sentence as Julia Gillard’s name, and never having heard it before, assumed from context it meant some sort of bogan.
    From the above it seems this may not be so?

    My understanding it that the term “Ranga” comes from “Orangutang.” Happy to be corrected.

  128. Tel

    Er… that is how FIFO works. You’re how familiar did you say, with FIFO?
    (All local businesses are bypassed, except pubs, we make an absolute total, complete & utter fortune from FIFO.)

    Hang on, I quote (again) your original comment…

    Those who live on a residential street/beach/wherever, & all their neighbors start overnight lettings to foreigners & out-of-towners, well it must feel much like being a town on the receiving end of FIFO (& that ain’t much fun).

    So the town where no one shows up, no one buys anything, no one does business, is on the “receiving end” of what exactly?

    And if no mine opens at all, then what changes for that town?

    No one showing up is equivalent to local houses near a beach running B&B for tourists, and equivalent because of … ummm … how ?

  129. blogstrop

    Abbott could have made a more honest set of commitments in a pre-election context if there was a more honest set of media to report it properly rather than use it to beat him off and ensure another term of the termites.
    Without honest media you don’t have a properly functioning democracy.

  130. My understanding it that the term “Ranga” comes from “Orangutang.” Happy to be corrected.

    So it sorta means “monkey” or “gorilla”?

  131. Baldrick

    I even like bald men more than blondies.

    David Leyonhjelm for example?

  132. MsDolittle

    I even like bald men more than blondies.

    Me too. I can’t tell you why either.

    Bald men. Solar panel sex machines. Male pattern baldness ie lots of testosterone.

  133. So the town where no one shows up, no one buys anything, no one does business, is on the “receiving end” of what exactly?

    Let me guess, you’ve never been involved in FIFO?

  134. goatjam

    Abbott could have made a more honest set of commitments in a pre-election context if there was a more honest set of media to report it properly

    The only promises he needed to make were to stop the boats and to balance the budget. No details were required and he would still have won in a landslide.

  135. JC

    Strop

    Are you delusional too. Abbott clearly mislead people. You shouldn’t be upset with the media, you ought to set aim at him with a 50 cal (not a death threat) for being the asshat of the year. There was absolutely no need for him to have made those commitments. None.

  136. blogstrop

    AS if they would have let it rest at that, Goat.

  137. H B Bear

    I assume that this is somehow linked to Margaret Cunneen’s court case about advising her sons girlfriend to fake breathing problems when being asked for a breath test? Perhaps the cops do have a phone tap?

    Is anyone in NSW not on the make? How long before Richo pops up in this soap opera?

  138. There was absolutely no need for him to have made those commitments. None.

    He was giving me vapours at the time, there was no need to make a commitment to anything, he was going to romp it in.
    That was back when I had some hope he’d be a good PM.

  139. blogstrop

    You shouldn’t be upset with the media,

    They are the conduit for voter misinformation.

  140. Grigory M

    Please, what is the meaning of “Ranga”?

    From “Orangutan” – red haired primate.

  141. MsDolittle

    Snork! Steve at the pub!

  142. Leigh Lowe

    730 tut-tutting about the boycott of halal certification.
    Amazing how “people power” has turned into a racist fascist campaign.

  143. Ranga = Fanta pants

    Mi no spik bhasa. Pls tranlate into Ingrish.

  144. calli

    Bald men. Solar panel sex machines. Male pattern baldness ie lots of testosterone.

    Ah…that explains the mankini. Lowers the risk of suffocation by mobbing.

  145. blogstrop

    A promise to balance the budget with no detail would let the leftists (the majority of the media) make up the cuts themselves.

  146. JC

    A promise to balance the budget with no detail would let the leftists (the majority of the media) make up the cuts themselves.

    So politics can be difficult.

  147. Armadillo

    Happy to be corrected.

    That’s my understanding as well. They were named for the colour of their hair, not the content of their (orangatang like) character. “Ranga” is a discriptor, not an insult.

  148. Gab

    A promise to balance the budget with no detail would let the leftists (the majority of the media) make up the cuts themselves.

    The media and the unions were making up lies about Abbott’s RAZOR cuts before the election. They do it every time – whether cuts are promised or not.

  149. blogstrop

    So politics can be difficult.

    In the absence of honest media, it’s a complete shit fight.

  150. goatjam

    AS if they would have let it rest at that, Goat.

    The media can demand that Abbot make all the untenable promises that they like, he doesn’t have to give them any. All that was necessary was to keep responding with the same line.

    We promise to stop the boats and balance the budget. Cut back on 7 years of Labor waste and mismanagement. Yadda yadda yadda. Every time they are asked to commit to some stupid gotcha promise they should throw it right back in their faces and point out some of the more egregious disasters created by Labor.

    Do you honestly think that they could have lost that election? The visceral hatred of Krudd and Labor was palpable. Adolph Hitler could have won it.

  151. candy

    The only promises he needed to make were to stop the boats and to balance the budget. No details were required and he would still have won in a landslide.

    Nah, the polls were 50/50 when Kevin Rudd came back. I doubt the Libs would have won if he said he’d he was thinking twice about NDIS and Gonski and had no other plans.

  152. MsDolittle

    Ranga = Fanta pants

    Mi no spik bhasa. Pls tranlate into Ingrish.

    Red pubes too.

  153. Ranga = Redhead? (All this time I’ve been calling them “Bluey”. Silly me.)
    This explains the reference to Gillard. (Though for her I’d have picked “GingerNut” – 2nd syllable emphasis)

  154. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    My understanding it that the term “Ranga” comes from “Orangutang.” Happy to be corrected.

    So it sorta means “monkey” or “gorilla”?

    Sorry, not put well. The Orangutang usually has ginger coloured hair – there is actually a “Ranga” association, where “Ranga” stands for Red And Nearly Ginger.

    Where a bloke with ginger coloured hair gets the nick – name “Bikkies” from is another matter…

  155. blogstrop

    Red Pubes too.
    Sometimes expressed as the carpet matching the curtains.

  156. calli

    Or the collar matching the cuffs, Bloggy.

  157. Trend following conformist!
    There was a post on a recent thread about how 50% of young lads are getting the full baldy-bat wax treatment, you may actually be on to something.

    No no no no no. A waxed bald head would be horrid, almost as bad as a waxed bald body. No thanks. Shaved head is fine.

    Maybe it’s a trust thing for me, blonde-haired men don’t seem trustworthy at first glance but you can trust a bald man (not one with a comb-over though! Yuk).

    No, never a comb-over. That’s why God made razors.

    Steve, for crying out loud, a ranga is a red-head.

    Bald men. Solar panel sex machines. Male pattern baldness ie lots of testosterone.

    I do think you’re right there. But you have to make sure they’re a genuine baldy, and not just shaving a perfectly decent crop of hair to cash in on this perception.

  158. Leigh Lowe

    Nah, the polls were 50/50 when Kevin Rudd came back. I doubt the Libs would have won if he said he’d he was thinking twice about NDIS and Gonski and had no other plans.

    Yes, but promising to quarantine the ABC and SBS in the face of massive deficits was stupid.
    How many votes do you really think it would have lost if he had said they would have to share the pain equally and throw in some service guarantee for rural services? …. without guaranteeing funding for rural services.

  159. Des Deskperson

    ‘I assume that this is somehow linked to Margaret Cunneen’s court case ‘

    I’m puzzled, and probably naïve and ill-informed, but why is Cunneen trying so hard to avoid having to front ICAC where, presumably, she would learn the basis for the allegations against her and be able to respond to them.

    Is it a dignity of office thing or what? Prima facie she certainly seems to have a case to answer.

  160. Red Pubes too.
    Sometimes expressed as the carpet matching the curtains.

    All by the wayside, if the recent comment linking to the preponderance of “total deforestation” waxings is to be believed.

    “Carpet matching the curtains” – quite good. The occassional discussion crops up in my workplace about the authenticity & extent of someone’s “blondeness”. I’ll work it in to the next round table on the matter.

  161. Leigh Lowe

    730 now running a “peak car” segment, showing lots of 1970’s car adverts to demonstrate just how old-fashioned car owners really are.
    And …. cut to the hipster saying how cars are, like, soooo last century.

  162. No no no no no. A waxed bald head would be horrid, almost as bad as a waxed bald body. No thanks. Shaved head is fine.

    Hmm… we may be talking about different patches of… er… hair.

  163. goatjam

    I doubt the Libs would have won if he said he’d he was thinking twice about NDIS and Gonski and had no other plans.

    I already said he should say nothing about those things, which is not the same as saying “I am thinking twice about NDIS and Gonski”

    Media: Mr Abbott, what will you do about Gonski/NDIS

    Abbott: Until we get a better understanding of the extent of the budgetary catastrophe Australia is possibly facing I cannot in all concience give you a definitive answer to that question. Labor has in the past fiddled the books while they are in government and it is only once those books are opened up for scrutiny that the true extent of Labors financial mismanagement of the government treasury becomes apparent.”

  164. MsDolittle

    Sometimes expressed as the carpet matching the curtains.

    Thanks Blog, ipad enjoyed a shiraz spray. It reminds me of the descriptor for ill fitting trousers, “cheap hotel”. (No ballroom) boom tish.

  165. Infidel Tiger

    When you are blaming the media for your demise, you’re gone.

    It’s not the media. It’s Abbott and Credlin. They are just fucking hopeless.

  166. Des Deskperson

    ‘The occassional discussion crops up in my workplace about the authenticity & extent of someone’s “blondeness’

    Ah, the old ‘aeroplane blonde’ joke!

  167. Steve, for crying out loud, a ranga is a red-head.

    Thanks Philippa. The expression clearly isn’t nationwide, as I’ve never heard it until Gillard was PM. Even then it was only on news reports on the TV. I’ve never heard anybody say it in real life.

  168. candy

    Media: Mr Abbott, what will you do about Gonski/NDIS

    No goatjam, would not have worked in those debates with the questions afterwards and the questions by the left media pressing and pressing for answers. Tony Abbott only just scraped through on the debates anyway. At that stage Kevin Rudd was looking pretty comfortable and nice again after J. Gillard. The personality thing, very difficult for Tony Abbott to win on that without substance to his policies.

  169. blogstrop

    Beards untrustworthy, blondes untrustworthy – all a bit arbitrary really.

  170. Grigory M

    CredAbbott went to water when the polls started going south in the last 2 weeks before the election. He promised nothing would change and there would be no cuts to just about anything. He, and the rest of this government, lied and now they have to deal with the consequences of that. And there will be much more adverse outcomes in the run up to the next election – because he has told pensioners and others that his government will do nasty things to them if it is re-elected. Excellent strategy – not.

  171. Andrew

    This is entirely true of course. It doesn’t excuse Abbott for pandering to people with that delusion and then expecting things to go well when he couldn’t deliver.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think he anticipated the true horror. Yes, of course the Goose was lying with his massively overstated revenue forecasts. And there was Krudd’s evil timebomb in which he budgeted for zero new welfare seekers (and nothing for dealing with the ones he had), plus the sacking of 14,000 PS (itself desirable, but without announcing who they are). For some reason, the meeja didn’t report a 14,000 lower PS headcount in his election “costings” (sic).

    But he didn’t realise that the $60bn deficit he inherited was propped up by the Rivers of Gold, from commodity prices far in excess of what Costello had ever experienced. The structural deficit was maybe $40bn worse – the 2nd worst in the developed world. Now that commodity prices are falling, I’m not ruling out a $100bn deficit. Even if A666 makes say $20bn of tightening decisions, that will still leave an all-time record. And nobody will accept “commodity prices” as a defence.

    He then made it worse by concluding that the economy was too weak to smash with cuts. Unfortunately, that was the cyclical high.

  172. blogstrop

    Oh, more IT wisdom. The media are everything to politics, you are not.

  173. Tel

    Let me guess, you’ve never been involved in FIFO?

    Let me guess, you are never going to explain what you were talking about and why it makes no sense? Nor answer any questions other than to accuse other people.

    How it is that a town where no one shows up is “on the receiving end” of anything at all?

  174. MsDolittle

    No no no no no. A waxed bald head would be horrid, almost as bad as a waxed bald body. No thanks. Shaved head is fine

    So not into the back, crack ‘n sack wax Pilippa?

  175. blogstrop

    He promised nothing would change and there would be no cuts to just about anything.

    So nobody wanted the budget managed properly.

  176. MsDolittle

    Beards untrustworthy, blondes untrustworthy – all a bit arbitrary really.

    Perhaps. How about Queenslanders with white shoes? Not so confident now eh, Bloggy?

  177. goatjam

    No goatjam, would not have worked in those debates with the questions afterwards and the questions by the left media pressing and pressing for answers. Tony Abbott only just scraped through on the debates anyway. At that stage Kevin Rudd was looking pretty comfortable and nice again after J. Gillard. The personality thing, very difficult for Tony Abbott to win on that without substance to his policies.

    Well, maybe my political instinct is not as finely tuned as yours Candy, because at no time during the election campaign did I get the slightest feeling that KRudd could win.

    Oh, actually, Abbott won in a landslide. Maybe my instincts are not that far out after all.

    Here’s a hint. You can pretty much safely ignore any polls done during an election campaign. Very rarely do they represent the final result. People will often tell a phone pollster one thing, but when it comes to ticking that box they will do another. Sometimes it is because they haven’t given much thought to it when the phone starts a ringing, and others, deliberately lie in attempt to make the poll show a result that they think will help their side. Sort of like the people lying about their political leanings when attending a Q&A audience.

  178. Let me guess, you’ve never been involved in FIFO?

    Let me guess, you are never going to explain what you were talking about and why it makes no sense? Nor answer any questions other than to accuse other people.
    How it is that a town where no one shows up is “on the receiving end” of anything at all?

    So you’ve never been involved with FIFO.

    Tip for you; You’re not going to be able to redefine FIFO, nor twist some words into changing what happens on the ground with FIFO.
    You’ll just have to deal with that.

  179. custard

    Scott receiving dorothy dixers from filth senators and alleges he wrote back to Christopher Pyne dropping the mincing poodle further in the shit……

    The LNP are such amateurs….

  180. MsDolittle

    he has told pensioners and others that his government will do nasty things to them if it is re-elected.

    Pensioners should be left out in the snow.

  181. Leigh Lowe

    Is it a dignity of office thing or what? Prima facie she certainly seems to have a case to answer.

    She’s barking up the wrong tree if she’s pulling some “respect for the office” bullshit.
    What is her grand office?
    She is a public servant whose job happens to involve putting on a gown and wig and going to court every so often.
    So fucking what?
    That is exactly what ICAC is for … to take down those who would use their office to firstly gain advantage and the subsequently to shut down any scrutiny.
    I don’t know what she may or may not have done, but she sure as shit has to answer the accusations, not shut them down.

  182. blogstrop

    Thanks Ms D. I’ll refrain from any exploration of the map of Tasmania, particularly the more densely wooded west side. Can’t have any more shiraz wasted!

  183. Let me guess, you are never going to explain what you were talking about and why it makes no sense?

    Makes sense or no, that is what happens. Tough luck for a word twisting exercise Grigory. I suggest you stop talking like a lawyer. There’s a reason they’re called the “men who come behind

  184. I don’t know what she may or may not have done, but she sure as shit has to answer the accusations, not shut them down.

    Quite so. I don’t think she’s got anything to answer. The accusations are small-time mundane crap & not what the ICAC was convened for.
    My radar is going off when she is handling (to me) so badly something that should be handled with a one-paragraph statement.

  185. Leigh Lowe

    Scott receiving dorothy dixers from filth senators and alleges he wrote back to Christopher Pyne dropping the mincing poodle further in the shit……

    The LNP are such amateurs….

    Gloves off.
    Ask him if he condones the 730 ridicule of people killed on MH17 and, if not, who he intends to sack over it.

  186. Gab

    Abbott needs to gets Michael Kroger on board as communications strategy adviser and tell Credlin to STFU.

  187. Bons

    How about Queenslanders with white shoes?
    How long since you have been to Queensland? The only white shoes that exist are found in hotel rooms after a CMFEU convention – amongst other delights.
    Real Queenslanders wear – not a lot really.

  188. goatjam

    Unfortunately, I don’t think he anticipated the true horror.

    He should have. I certainly did. Has he not been paying attention to every other time the Liberals have taken the reins and found a complete and utter clusterfuck left behind by Labor? It’s not like they haven’t been playing that game for the last 50 years or more.

    Ignorance is no excuse. He played all the populist cards he had in his hand because he was afraid.

    It’s as simple as that. Now he is reaping what he sowed. They would have been better off in the long term losing that election if the alternative was to tarnish their brand and trash whatever credibility the LNP may have had,

    They have basically made themselves unelectable for another decade or more.

  189. How about Queenslanders with white shoes?

    Keep in mind the “White Shoe Brigade” weren’t really Queenslanders.
    They never got as far north as the city of Brisbane.

    Just sayin’

  190. Grigory M

    So nobody wanted the budget managed properly.

    Irrelevant at the time. CredAbbott and Co thought they were about to lose the un-loseable election. They were desperate to avoid that and get into office, so made promises they new they couldn’t, and wouldn’t, keep. “Whatever it takes” is not only Liebor’s mantra. They will have trouble overcoming the voters’ current view of their deception.

  191. Andrew

    Nah, the polls were 50/50 when Kevin Rudd came back. I doubt the Libs would have won if he said he’d he was thinking twice about NDIS and Gonski and had no other plans.

    Looks like at least one Cat lives in the real world, rather than the one where A666 was free to flag unlimited cuts to be announced post-election review, to peoples pet issues like NDIS, NBN, Their ABC, PS numbers, pensions, Gonski, unis, welfare (middle class as well as to “the most vulnerable”), Medicare and all CO2 Justice! programmes. Of course he panicked. He had lost one election from 8 ahead when the ALP parachuted in a more popular candidate, and was 50/50 when they did it again. Also Krudd had just got to 50/50 by being A666-lite: Announcing a month before the election that he had already “stopped the boats” with a Pacific Solution – but without all the other nasties.

    In fact, it’s not even in question. When the people saw a tiny fraction of the cuts actually needed, they were horrified. He’s not polling 45% because of Da 18C, regardless of what the deluded believe. It’s a matter of historical fact that the people were not prepared to tolerate ANY degree of Budget remediation. The other stuff is just a distraction.

  192. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    My radar is going off when she is handling (to me) so badly something that should be handled with a one-paragraph statement.

    My understanding was that she wasn’t trying to “shut down the investigation” – that she was trying to find out who was making the accusations.

  193. Bons

    Has he not been paying attention to every other time the Liberals have taken the reins and found a complete and utter clusterfuck left behind by Labor?
    Never elect a good man. Never elect an ex-priest candidate. Always elect pricks. It is the only truism that the Left has ever produced. Kerensky.

  194. candy

    Oh, actually, Abbott won in a landslide. Maybe my instincts are not that far out after all.

    Ah well, water under the bridge now, goatjam. They need to get those books near balanced to get re-elected though, and keep the boats stopped.

    I hope Joe Hockey has the ticker. They should not hold back now that they have started on the ABC, which must be scaring the bejeesus out of them, the retaliation and all.

  195. blogstrop

    They would have been better off in the long term losing that election

    I’m still amazed and disappointed at the number of people here who really think that another term of Labor is in any way better than even a fumbling mob of Libs/Nats. Being edgy and vociferous is one thing, but being nihilistic and bone-headed about it is quite another.

  196. custard

    Andrew
    #1518631, posted on November 20, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    Well argued

    +1

  197. Makka

    Abbott and the LNP lied. They broke promises. Fundamental promises. No ifs or buts, it is beyond argument. Abbott made ridiculous commitments before the election. As an LNP voter I am thoroughly pissed off with the cowardice on display at the LNP. They cannot even muster a strategy for their own defense, let alone go on the attack. A Govt that, with all the power and influence at it’s disposal that is not beating the living crap out of the Opposition daily, doesn’t deserve office. I doubt even the threat of their own demise will jolt the into action.

  198. Grigory M

    I don’t know what she may or may not have done, but she sure as shit has to answer the accusations, not shut them down.

    Margaret Cunneen knows that ICAC has the goods on her, and that the end of her career may be nigh.

  199. Tel

    Tip for you; You’re not going to be able to redefine FIFO, nor twist some words into changing what happens on the ground with FIFO.
    You’ll just have to deal with that.

    So for the third time, getting back to your original comment, which is what I was responding to.

    What exactly does FIFO put a town on “the receiving end” of? Not getting enough business? How can someone be on “the receiving end” of an absence of a thing?

    Oh, wait, I get it now, they felt entitled to the business, but it didn’t go to them. Hmmm, like I said, right of non-association, happens, get over it.

    As for the similarity to unlicensed B&B’s along the beach, well there just is no similarity, you made that up.

  200. MsDolittle

    How long since you have been to Queensland?

    1.5 years. But I have birthrights.

    The only white shoes that exist are found in hotel rooms after a CMFEU convention – amongst other delights.

    Ewwwh! Disgusting.

    Real Queenslanders wear – not a lot really.

    Nudie rudie? (Psssst, me born Qld)

  201. Leigh Lowe

    Quite so. I don’t think she’s got anything to answer. The accusations are small-time mundane crap & not what the ICAC was convened for.
    My radar is going off when she is handling (to me) so badly something that should be handled with a one-paragraph statement.

    I am not so sure.
    Let’s say she received a briefing paper about loopholes in the DUI legislation for the purposes of strengthening that legislation, or the laying of charges and pursuit of prosecutions.
    Let’s say she then passed details of this loophole to her family who used it to evade conviction.
    Corruption right there.
    Not a hanging offence but it is very close to what Field Marshall Justice Sir Marcus Einfeld MBA, KCMG, VC and Bar, DFC, AO was pinged for … spotting a loophole and bullshitting to match the loophole.

  202. Mike of Marion

    blogstrop,
    The LNP need to be very rudely awakened to the fact that they have lied to us who voted them in.

    If the grumblings from blogs such as the Cat are seen by these LNP retards, and they act to correct their stupid electoral suicide, so be it.

    Until they do, they are low rated fuckwits.

  203. Makka

    bloggy, the LNP are in office. They have it. The issue now is;what are they doing and going to do with it? Backing down on your promises and trying to become Labor Lite is manifestly not a winning argument.

  204. egg_

    Strictly No Ballroom

    A musical about Warwick Capper’s shorts…

  205. Grigory M

    Makes sense or no, that is what happens. Tough luck for a word twisting exercise Grigory.

    WTF? Listen, you vacant-headed isolationist – you will know when I’m taking to you. (Asshole).

  206. Leo G

    Steve, for crying out loud, a ranga is a red-head.

    Actually, a ranga is a Sumatran orangutan (pongo abelii). They have long red hair.

  207. blogstrop

    So, Makka, why are they so cowardly? Is it because of you? Your street?
    I’m signing off now, but will you people ever get the truth that the media is the thing politicians fear most, and try to manipulate the most?
    Say it doesn’t matter as long as you like. It still will.
    Media advisers. Why are there so many of them attached to so many pollies?
    I’m sick of repeating this and some of you are sick of hearing it.
    Doing what the Cat’s more acerbic indentities say is good will not win elections. Get over it.
    Good night.

  208. Tel

    You can quickly see the difficulty that liberty is up against. Political vested interests run really bloody deep, even on a blog where nominally it is supposed to be against that idea.

  209. Infidel Tiger

    Oh, more IT wisdom. The media are everything to politics, you are not.

    That’s quite a compliment.

    We will stay your execution by a month.

  210. Tel

    WTF? Listen, you vacant-headed isolationist – you will know when I’m taking to you. (Asshole).

    Grigory, you are welcome to pick a completely separate argument with Steve, just don’t stretch him by forcing him to remember what day it is, which way is up, or what happened 5 minutes ago.

  211. Infidel Tiger

    So, Makka, why are they so cowardly? Is it because of you? Your street?
    I’m signing off now, but will you people ever get the truth that the media is the thing politicians fear most, and try to manipulate the most?
    Say it doesn’t matter as long as you like. It still will.
    Media advisers. Why are there so many of them attached to so many pollies?
    I’m sick of repeating this and some of you are sick of hearing it.
    Doing what the Cat’s more acerbic indentities say is good will not win elections. Get over it.
    Good night.

    A cup of Bovril, half a mother’s little helper and you’ll be right love.

  212. Leigh Lowe

    My understanding was that she wasn’t trying to “shut down the investigation” – that she was trying to find out who was making the accusations.

    I don’t reckon that matters a rats-arse ZK2A.
    Normally the principle is that you should be able to face your accuser, but if the whistleblower is a junior prosecutor in the OPP office, they might be screwed if outed. “Finding out who made the accusation” and “shutting down the investigation” could be the same thing.
    And, if she has done the wrong thing, does it matter who tipped them off?
    As long as it is a tip-off which leads to the gathering of conclusive evidence, as distinct from the evidence itself being given anonymously, I don’t see what her beef is.

  213. MsDolittle

    Cat’s more acerbic indentities

    That really narrows things down.

  214. Makka

    ‘So, Makka, why are they so cowardly? ‘

    They are afraid to articulate and act on their values.They are afraid to admit they have no real media management strategy that works. They are afraid to change and adapt.

    ‘but will you people ever get the truth that the media is the thing politicians fear most, and try to manipulate the most?’

    Then they need a strategy to deal with it. Start by eliminating the one major source of that problem, the ALPBC.

  215. egg_

    It’s a matter of historical fact that the people were not prepared to tolerate ANY degree of Budget remediation.

    Slash and burn in the traditional hoenymoon period – the Libs have blown it.

  216. Leigh Lowe

    Acerbic?
    Is that a good thing?
    If so, I am in.

  217. Brian of Moorabbin

    I even like bald men more than blondies.

    make sure they’re a genuine baldy

    Well hello Philippa. What brings a lovely lady like you to a place like this?

    (or, to quote Joey from ‘Friends’: How YOU doin’?)

    😉

  218. johanna

    I’ve been watching that slimebag Mark Scott at Senate Estimates.

    Our Senators are morons. Not one of them knows how to cross-examine a witness (despite the ubiquity of law degrees in Parliament).

    Some of the questions no-one ever asks:

    Why, when your budget has almost doubled in 10 years, are you claiming hardship?

    Why was it good practice to maintain production facilities in several States 10 years ago when you had much less money, but now it is a terrible idea?

    Why are you only now developing “metrics” to help you to work out your priorities? What were you doing before?

    Why are your staff on industrial agreements which make redundancies staggeringly expensive?

    Why is the option of closing down multiple channels which run nothing but repeats and have tiny ratings not on the table?

    Do you think that the ABC should just keep getting bigger and bigger? What do you see as the limit of the scope of the ABC in the media space?

    These people couldn’t get a five year old to admit to stealing a lolly when he had sticky stuff all over his face and hands.

  219. .

    I am not so sure.
    Let’s say she received a briefing paper about loopholes in the DUI legislation for the purposes of strengthening that legislation, or the laying of charges and pursuit of prosecutions.
    Let’s say she then passed details of this loophole to her family who used it to evade conviction.
    Corruption right there.
    Not a hanging offence but it is very close to what Field Marshall Justice Sir Marcus Einfeld MBA, KCMG, VC and Bar, DFC, AO was pinged for … spotting a loophole and bullshitting to match the loophole.

    I agree with your sentiment but I’m not too sure this is corrupt.

    Why shouldn’t the public know the law?

  220. MsDolittle

    Stop showing off Brian.

  221. .

    Our Senators are morons. Not one of them knows how to cross-examine a witness (despite the ubiquity of law degrees in Parliament).

    Don’t blame them, they are only solicitors, not barristers.

  222. I’m still amazed and disappointed at the number of people here who really think that another term of Labor is in any way better than even a fumbling mob of Libs/Nats. Being edgy and vociferous is one thing, but being nihilistic and bone-headed about it is quite another.

    Way to put words into people’s mouths.
    Your logic is
    a) any criticism of the Liberals helps Labor
    b) therefore, anyone criticising the Liberals is helping Labor
    c) therefore, don’t criticise the Liberals, even if you are unhappy with them.

    or to put it another way,
    “no matter how bad the Liberals are, suck it up because they’re better than the alternative.”

    That’s your message, basically.

  223. Leo G

    Abbott and the LNP lied. They broke promises. Fundamental promises. No ifs or buts, it is beyond argument. Abbott made ridiculous commitments before the election. As an LNP voter I am thoroughly pissed off with ….

    Clearly not beyond argument. Turnbull and others have argued the point.
    But many committed LNP voters are clearly very angry with Abbott about commitments made and commitments not made.

  224. cohenite

    The local economy in Mareeba is going to get a kick along courtesy of a new $70 million Islamic boarding school.

  225. johanna

    OMG – question from a Labor microbrain – “Is Play School safe?”

  226. .

    Makka is right.

    The LNP have surrendered to the ALP on the perception that if they didn’t they’d be unpopular, yet, they’re still unpopular.

    So why bother running for office at all?

    What is the raison d’etre of the LNP anyway?

  227. Roger

    I’m still amazed and disappointed at the number of people here who really think that another term of Labor is in any way better than even a fumbling mob of Libs/Nats.

    +1 blogstrop.

    Another Labor government would be the death of this great country…the death. I have children and, Deo volente, will have grandchildren; I don’t want to see them inherit a bankrupt socialist republic.

    With the LNP, at least we can take some consolation from the contributions of Morrison, Bishop, Robb and a few others and live on the hope that they may yet develop some political courage for the necessary reforms (and my the LDP be a catalyst towards that end).

  228. Gab

    What is the raison d’etre of the LNP anyway?

    To be loved by the Left. Clearly.

  229. johanna – great questions. All of them. Loved this one

    Why is the option of closing down multiple channels which run nothing but repeats and have tiny ratings not on the table?

    and this one really hits the nail on the head.

    Do you think that the ABC should just keep getting bigger and bigger? What do you see as the limit of the scope of the ABC in the media space?

    That really goes to the heart of the issue. What, if any, should be the limit of ABC dominance?

  230. +1 blogstrop.

    You guys have one message. One.
    “Stop criticising the Liberals! It will only help Labor!”
    I suggest that you just get some boilerplate complaints and turn up and paste them in randomly a few times a week.

  231. custard

    johanna
    #1518668, posted on November 20, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    I’m watching this too

    The line of questioning is totally rooted. We need to wait for a coalition Senator to get the call….

  232. calli

    OMG – question from a Labor microbrain – “Is Play School safe?”

    Don’t shoot or da bear gets it! I hear Peppa Pig is is becoming chipolatas even as we speak.

  233. Brian of Moorabbin

    MsD,

    Yes ma’am.

    *suitably chastened)*

    😉

  234. Leigh Lowe

    I agree with your sentiment but I’m not too sure this is corrupt.

    Why shouldn’t the public know the law?

    I don’t think it is simply a matter of knowledge of the law.
    It is knowledge of legal procedure coupled with lying (ie feigning illness I believe) to trigger a certain legal response.
    That is why I drew the Einfeld parallel.
    And I do think it is corrupt if the DPP commissions a “stress test” of legislation (using public money) for the purposes of strengthening their prosecutions and she leaks the loophole to relatives.

  235. MsDolittle

    The local economy in Mareeba is going to get a kick along courtesy of a new $70 million Islamic boarding school.

    And people think an Airbnb party pad is bad for the neighbourhood.

  236. Tel

    http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/how-unsw-has-collected-100000-in-piracy-fines-20141120-11qqn7.html

    “The university is not attempting to enforce Commonwealth law,” a UNSW spokeswoman said, referring to comments made by Mr Speck about the university appearing to enforce the Commonwealth Copyright Act.

    “The university has the power under its enabling legislation and its by-laws to impose penalties on staff or students for misconduct, and that is the basis for these fines,” the spokeswoman said.

    “Students who illegally download copyright material such as movies, video, music or games are in breach of the University’s policy on IT use. Users of our internet services are expressly warned that such actions place the individual responsible at risk of litigation for copyright infringement.”

    So let me see, they freely admit their networks are used for illegal activities, and that they are not interested in enforcing the law, and they collect payments from those illegal activities.

    Also, this is justified because the “the individual responsible at risk of litigation”.

  237. Andrew

    They have basically made themselves unelectable for another decade or more.

    Just to recap, if a DD was held 6 FUCKING MONTHS after the R-G-R catastrophe, they would have been reelected despite completely taking the piss out of the electorate by appointing a leadership team made up of a person then under an active child rape investigation by the police, plus something even worse as his deputy.

    And this after their successors used that 6 months to reduce SIEVs to zero which was forecast as being possible by precisely nobody, at the same time as the R-G-R fiasco erupted in a major diplomatic incident with a neighbour that hampered military and police cooperation.

    This was well BEFORE the events of the May Budget that so upset people here. I’ve said it before – if A666 found a cure for cancer, the headlines would read “10,000 jobs lost in oncology – A666 Regime announcement” and there would be marches in the streets protesting it.

    So they might be unelectable, and maybe it would have been better to let the SLF stew in the filth his predecessors created before going to a Bishop666 govt in 2016 without any promises. But a decade? Really? Considering the alternative?

  238. custard

    Senator Mitch Fifield is a total fuckwit

  239. Another Labor government would be the death of this great country…the death.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, we’re on track to get another Labor government.
    This is not inevitable.
    The coalition can turn it around.
    But it won’t turn anything around with dumb pollyannas like you and blogstrop whistling past the graveyard.

    Or to put it another way, mindless cheerleaders like you are actually not doing the coalition any favours.

  240. Leigh Lowe

    Don’t blame them, they are only solicitors who have never practiced, not barristers.

  241. egg_

    “Is Play School safe?”

    It’s environmentally friendly – with all of Aunty’s recycled actors…

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