Thursday Forum: November 20, 2014

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  1. twostix

    There are zoning laws for a reason. Not every govt. regulation is designed purely for the purpose of restricting someone’s freedom.
    Those who live on a residential street/beach/wherever, & all their neighbors start overnight lettings to foreigners & out-of-towners, well it must feel much like being a town on the receiving end of FIFO (& that ain’t much fun).

    Ahahaha.

    Spot the motel owner.

  2. incoherent rambler

    Abbott and the LNP lied. They broke promises.

    I with makka on this. The next question is – “Did they deliberately set out to deceive?”
    Maybe.
    Deception loses my support. Goodnight Tony.

  3. Brian of Moorabbin

    Interesting that both lawyers and doctors go to school for years only to go into ‘practice’, whereas the rest of us go into real work…

    😉

  4. Tom

    Seriously, I can’t believe there are people around that think Abbott didn’t lie.

    Abbott lied his fucking head off to get elected — because he has no principles he believes in enough to proclaim them as his guiding principles. You can’t pretend out of tribal loyalty that he didn’t lie his head off.

  5. johanna

    Scott is now explaining that no-one can be responsible for what the ABC broadcasts, because it is so big. But he is “accountable”, except that he never pays any penalty, no matter what happens.

    Anyway, it’s a matter for the Board. Not his problem.

    Imagine if Rupert ran his empire like that? He’d be broke in no time.

  6. Infidel Tiger

    If you want to know how bad the Libs are, tune into The Nation on sky and watch that dribbling retard. Senator Michaelia Cash talking about global warming. She sounds like a vacillating paper shredder

    The LNP is a morally bankrupt institution. It has been captured by lawyers and spivs. There is no way to reform it.

  7. Makka

    ‘Another Labor government would be the death of this great country…the death. ‘

    No shit Sherlock. Which is why the LNP Govt needs to get it’s act together NOW and prevent another. Forget the last battle – that was won. But the War rages on. The LNP have largely evacuated the battlefield. Because it’s to hard or something.

  8. Okay, just watched the 7.30 report’s article on “halal certification boycotts”
    Not only was it very biased, it was very poor journalism.

    Lots of interviews with “sane” small-business operators, lots of interviews with “crazy-cat” wild-eyed anti-halal certification types, lots of screen shots of “redneck” anti-halal comments on social media.

    Despite being several minutes in length, and doing to death the three themes listed above, at no time did the ABC explain any of the following:
    1) What is Halal?
    2) What is Halal Certification?
    3) Who carries out Halal Certification?
    4) Where does the money paid for Halal Certifiction actually end up?

    The careful observer will have noticed that the ABC reporter did manage throughout the article consistently pronounce the word “Halal” with an Arabic accent, rather than an Australian one.

    Rabz.Doctrine.Now.
    Shut.it.down.Fire.them.all.

  9. Leigh Lowe

    Some ideas for Scotty:-
    “Bananas in Pyjamas
    Four Three Corners”
    “Q & A
    Re-run Bellbird.
    Run the same weather report for the whole country. Why not? Everything else they do is based around Sydney.

  10. Leo G

    What is the raison d’etre of the LNP anyway?
    To be loved by the Left. Clearly.

    Conservatives originally position themselves as the Right to escape the indecencies of the Left. You think they’re really masochists who need the shouting and abuse?

  11. Roger

    Or to put it another way, mindless cheerleaders like you are actually not doing the coalition any favours.

    So, Aussie, you don;t agree with Morrison’s turning back the boats, Bishop’
    s criticism of Obama today, or Robb’s free trade deals with China and India?

    Then you’re part of the problem, not the solution.

    And, for your information, I’m on the phone every week to my local LNP member telling him where they’re going wrong.

  12. Spot the motel owner.

    Hotel to you, microbe.
    There is a strict caste system in the accommodation game. I’m of the “Hotel” caste (see also “Hilton” “Marriot” “Stamford” “Ritz” etc)

    *sniff*

  13. Tom

    tune into The Nation on sky and watch that dribbling retard. Senator Michaelia Cash talking about global warming.

    I’m shattered. In crumpet terms, I liked her nearly as much as Sharri Markson. But she’s just another shop window mannequin with no principles.

    Shattered.

  14. Gab

    Conservatives originally position themselves as the Right to escape the indecencies of the Left. You think they’re really masochists who need the shouting and abuse?

    I’ll be able to answer your question if ever a conservative government gets elected in this country.

  15. tomix

    Let’s say she received a briefing paper about loopholes in the DUI legislation for the purposes of strengthening that legislation, or the laying of charges and pursuit of prosecutions.

    It sounded like she was called to the scene and gave the advice in front of witnesses.

    OTOH, maybe the girlfriend faked the chest pains, got taken to hospital straight away, but fessed up to someone and named Cuneen as the source of the advice.

    Pretty good advice if you’ve been drinking, imo. In Qld, unless you’re unconscious, the scabby ambos stay at the scene with the injured person until the cops arrive to breath test.

    So, if under the influence – Take a dive.

  16. Makka

    Roger,

    Bishop, Morro and Bernardi are the core of LNP renewal. But even they all need to ditch this pandering to the Left, the Greens (on AGW) an get on the front foot. It’s not rocket science, it’s called Politics.

  17. twostix

    Whatever happened to Barnaby??

  18. Roger

    I agree, Makka.

    And there is indeed hope for renewal.

  19. So, Aussie, you don;t agree with Morrison’s turning back the boats, Bishop’
    s criticism of Obama today, or Robb’s free trade deals with China and India?

    Did I say that?

    Then you’re part of the problem, not the solution.

    I’m not part of the problem.
    I don’t believe that hiding the truth, or staying silent about my opinions, for strategic reasons is any kind of solution.
    On the contrary I believe that free expression is healthy, and that robust debate can only help the political process.

  20. twostix

    Things that cause the effette Australian media class to piss their pants:

    Crossbows, guns, leather lounges, pool tables and an ‘indoor beer garden’


    Oh no!

  21. Leigh Lowe

    SatP at 8:59.
    Yes, piss poor reporting.
    And compare and contrast the last 100 reports they have done on “grass roots boycotts”.
    The boycotters are invariably noble, principled, courageous and unswerving in the pursuit of Big [insert name of horrid industry here] …. until now.

  22. OTOH, maybe the girlfriend faked the chest pains, got taken to hospital straight away, but fessed up to someone and named Cuneen as the source of the advice.

    My understanding (correct me where I’m mistaken) is the girl was trapped in the car.
    The Ambos asked two standard questions in such circs: “Can you feel your legs?” and “Do you have chest pain”?
    When the girl was removed from the car she was placed into the ambulance. The coppers wanted to breath test her there, the ambos refused as an ambulance is for treatment & transport, not for the pork to harass citizens.
    When the girl arrived at hospital, blood was taken for alcohol testing. This is NSW law for traffic accident hospitalisations. This test is much more likely to show a higher level of blood alcohol than a police roadside breath test.
    The hospital test showed she was sober.

    Cuneed was at the scene, along with her son, to comfort the girl (who was trapped in a wrecked vehicle). Anything Cuneen may have said & done was to comfort & reduce stress in a traumatic & stressful situation.
    There is no law which says “They who are comforting trapped road accident victims must not give legal advice, stick to spiritual & medical advice”

    If all the above is correct, I wouldn’t even try to prosecute a case against Cuneen, or anyone else in her shoes, for anything.

    ICAC has better things to do. Like find a liberal pollie who’s quaffed a free bottle of Jacob’s Ck or something.

  23. Gab

    Crossbows, guns, leather lounges, pool tables

    They could do with a few cushions to zoozz up the place a bit.

  24. Beef

    Whatever happened to Barnaby??

    Excellent question, give him communications and send Turnbull out of to the country.
    That would make the Lord “throw dolly in the dirt”.

  25. Armadillo

    Whatever happened to Barnaby??

    He’s building dams. And increasing the size of dam walls. The local rag says so. God bless him.

  26. Makka

    Crossbows, guns, leather lounges, pool tables and an ‘indoor beer garden’

    Half the man caves in WA are more more blokey than those images.

  27. In Qld, unless you’re unconscious, the scabby ambos stay at the scene with the injured person until the cops arrive to breath test.

    Excuse me?
    You mean the Ambulance will, rather than transport an injured patient to hospital, remain parked until such time as a copper trundles along & administers a breath test?

    Ambulance discount just ended at my place. As did every other ambulance perk.

  28. Leigh Lowe

    OTOH, maybe the girlfriend faked the chest pains, got taken to hospital straight away, but fessed up to someone and named Cuneen as the source of the advice.

    I have a simpler scenario.
    Person A gives Person B the “wink and nod” advice.
    Person B finds herself in that very situation and deploys the tactic as advised.
    Person B … and this is where these schemes always fail … brags far and wide about her little scam.
    Peeved associate of Person B dobs them in.

  29. calli

    Crossbows, guns, leather lounges, pool tables

    The coffee table with the Confederate flag ornament was downright…menacing. Where do I get one?

  30. twostix

    If you’re looking for cool toys for the sons the official list of best toys this year has been published:

    Consumer group lists the ten most dangerous toys for kids

    World Against Toys Causing Harm, or W.A.T.C.H., has issued the ’10 Worst Toys’ list to remind parents and consumers of the potential hazards in some toys as the holiday shopping season gets underway.

    Really embarrassing stuff – now remember don’t buy water bottle rockets unless they come with safety goggles.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2841207/Consumer-group-lists-10-worst-toys-kids.html

  31. Leigh Lowe

    If all the above is correct, I wouldn’t even try to prosecute a case against Cuneen, or anyone else in her shoes, for anything.

    OK.
    So go to the hearing and state your case.

  32. Natural Instinct

    Maybe another West Australian Liberal – Julie Bishop will follow Reg
    .
    REG WITHERS: Politics is about getting power and keeping power. We’re not indulging in some afternoon tea party, for goodness sake.

    Vale politicians who believed and always carried spears, and did not believe being a parliamentarian was one amongst a portfolio of jobs in their life.

  33. calli

    From twostix’s link:

    Rough ride: The seat of this small, four-wheeled cycle is approximately 8 inches off theground. Young children are encouraged to ‘swerve & spin’, ‘try new tricks’ and ‘race aroundthe block….’ Its low profile makes the toy potentially hazardous for outdoor use and the kid should be wearing a helmet

    Says it all really. Sit in front of the TV junior fatties, and never ever ever swerve or spin.

  34. custard

    Its not hard looking at the body language of filth Senator Lardass that he’s a lying cvnt!

  35. So go to the hearing and state your case.

    Send me a business class airfare, 5-star hotel confirmation, & $20,000 for my time.
    Otherwise I ain’t budgin’.

  36. Twodogs

    Don’t worry about Thompson, he has no balls… In 1972 I was in a Clearance Diving Team and we did some fast drop and pick ups for the TV show Spyforce, in which Thompson and Peter Sumner starred… Sumner was an absolute gentleman while Thompson was a typical big headed ego with legs and when he got under my skin at a pivate showing of the show on the very novel (at the time) colour TV I just called him a dickhead and poured a beer over his head. He was bigger than me and chested up a bit but nothing more and the producer was like a besotted butler running around with a towel to dry him off and spruiking that I had ruined his swede jacket… The only down side was, it cost me a perfectly good beer…

  37. Leigh Lowe

    SatP.
    None if what is reported is sworn evidence.
    It is back-grounding by Cuneen as far as I can tell.
    She is accused of advising someone how to lie to avoid a breath test, to the point where the “injuries” could not have credibly been caused by the accident in the vehicle which she may (or may not) have been “trapped” in.
    If the back-grounding is a genuine account, get on the stand and swear it.
    There is an aversion to RBT here, and maybe that is a fair enough view, but using inside knowledge of process and lying or prompting others to lie to frustrate the law is something else.

  38. MsDolittle

    So, if under the influence – Take a dive.

    C’mon princess, just as the man says, take a dive, we’ve all had to do it, some more than others but never mind that, who’s counting your paltry efforts.

  39. calli

    Don’t worry about Thompson, he has no balls

    Ah ha! Then my ‘young and naive’ instinct was correct! I won’t repost the offending centrefold…the Cat has had enough horrors for one evening… 🙂

  40. JC

    The woman who might become Charles Manson’s mother-in-law is concerned about her daughter’s engagement but said she believes the mass murderer truly loves her daughter.
    Related Stories

    “He does. I think he does,” Melissa Burton, 48, of Bunker Hill, Illinois, told ABC News this morning. “She has been good to him.”

    Manson has also been good to her daughter, Burton added.

    LOl.

  41. MsDolittle

    Send me a business class airfare, 5-star hotel confirmation, & $20,000 for my time.
    Otherwise I ain’t budgin’.

    Naomi Campbell at the Pub.

  42. tomix

    You mean the Ambulance will, rather than transport an injured patient to hospital, remain parked until such time as a copper trundles along & administers a breath test?

    That’s right [in Qld, anyway], that’s why you take a dive. They must take an unconscious person to hospital.
    They wanted to be armed a few years ago. Even old Bligh wasn’t having that.

  43. Grigory M

    Seems like Ludlum has been fed questions to ask.

  44. Leigh Lowe

    So go to the hearing and state your case.

    That was directed at Cuneen.
    Sorry, but a senior prosecutor playing fast and loose with the law doesn’t cut it with me.
    She should be squeaky clean and if she is found to have breached that duty, she deserves a whack.
    And I think if you read her employment contract it will contain some fair rigorous ethical and professional standards clauses.
    I’ll bet that is why she doesn’t want his to proceed.
    Because, whilst she may not technically have committed a crime, she is in all likelihood in a lot of trouble professionally.

  45. There is an aversion to RBT here,

    There is an (understandable) aversion to RBT everywhere. It is contrary to basic human rights. I overcharge police officers every time there’s a random breath test.
    However being tested after a road accident is not a random breath test.
    Besides, if a road accident victim taken to hospital is going to automatically have a far more accurate blood test done, what is gained by advising against a breath test?

  46. custard

    Natural Instinct
    #1518727, posted on November 20, 2014 at 9:25 pm
    Maybe another West Australian Liberal – Julie Bishop will follow Reg

    I have very vivid memories of Reg. I remember the black Ford Galaxy limo. He lived directly over the road from us when I was growing up in Bunbury in the early ’70’s. Why wouldn’t a young lad want to knock around with Nigel Withers (Reg’s son) who had the best toys I’d ever seen.

    I’m told (though don’t remember) that whilst I was over there one day PM Gorton rang looking for Reg, I answered the phone told him he wasn’t here and hung up on him!

    Later in life I sat the Lord Mayoral table for the opening dinner to Rally Australia at the vines resort.

  47. If a relative or loved one of mine was trapped in a car, & some piece of pork wanted to conduct a breath test,… let’s just say my ire would know no bounds, justifiably so.
    Should I ever have the chance to repay that particular officer, eg stand and watch whilst they are worked over by street thugs, then I would certainly take such opportunity, justifiably so.

  48. egg_

    Some ideas for Scotty:-

    Meeja Broken Watch: right twice a day
    Queer Eh?: Theatre sports featuring rich old white men (ROWM)
    Late Whine: Bob Ellis’ ramblings for insomniacs

  49. johanna

    Mark Scott:

    “If it was custom and practice, our funding would be assured.”

    That loathsome creep Ludlum rivals Sarah Sea Patrol for dredging the bottom of the barrel. He lacks wit, charm, brains, empathy or common sense.

    Then that dickhead Fifield claims that the ABC is having no impact on commercial media.

    Richard Alston must be weeping, as would be his very able COS Paul Fletcher, currently languishing as bag-carrier for Lord Wentworth.

  50. As for the similarity to unlicensed B&B’s along the beach, well there just is no similarity, you made that up.

    Sorry for engaging Tel, I didn’t realise you’re just a sour anti-social berkshire. My mistake.

  51. Coopers Beer is halal certified.

    Who the F certified it so? Alcohol is Haram.
    End.of.story.

  52. MemoryVault

    I have children and, Deo volente, will have grandchildren; I don’t want to see them inherit a bankrupt socialist republic.

    Since the only difference between labor and the LNP these days is about four years, I can’t see the choice of one party over the other in government having much of an impact on your children, and none whatsoever on your grandkids.

  53. Leigh Lowe

    Steve, the accusation is, I believe, advising someone to feign injuries they don’t have to avoid a breath test.

    There is an (understandable) aversion to RBT everywhere. It is contrary to basic human rights

    What basic human right is that?
    To get as pissed as I like and drive when and where I like?
    The use of the road is a privilege for which you pay some direct costs and make some concessions.
    One of those concessions is that you may be stopped and breath-tested or, if involved in an accident, you will be tested for alcohol and drugs.
    No biggy.

  54. cohenite

    Alcohol is Haram.

    That can’t be right. The only way to explain how muslims behave is that they are perpetually pissed to their eyeballs.

  55. custard

    Scott just said if you take the notion of “market failure” to the enth degree the ABC should not broadcast news.

    I’m listening.

  56. Bruce of Newcastle

    Whatever happened to Barnaby??

    He was selling half of Tassie to the Chinese on Tuesday. The other half…ie not the half that is a national park.

    Glad the Taswegians are lefties, they should get on well with their new overlords.

    I may be satirical, but only slightly. 🙂

  57. tomix

    Besides, if a road accident victim taken to hospital is going to automatically have a far more accurate blood test done, what is gained by advising against a breath test?

    Sometimes things like the results of blood tests in the big city have been known to be altered.
    Otoh, a positive reading at the scene presents a few problems….

  58. Leigh Lowe

    If a relative or loved one of mine was trapped in a car, & some piece of pork wanted to conduct a breath test,… let’s just say my ire would know no bounds, justifiably so.

    Settle down Steve.
    The “trapped in the car” with “serious injuries” is the very bone of contention.
    The accusation (for the umpteenth time) is that she was advised to lie to officers for the express purpose of avoiding testing.
    The fact that she may not have tested positive is irrelevant to that charge.
    Oh, and you might ask how long the “critically injured” young lady spent in hospital.
    I think you will find the answer interesting.

  59. To get as pissed as I like and drive when and where I like?

    Strawman.
    RBT is where you are detained, and upon being detained are guilty unless you manage to prove yourself not-guilty.
    Sux. I make coppers pay for it. $1 for every breath test, for the next copper in. Wickedly I sometimes ask for a “second test – just to make sure”.
    Most don’t test me. Those who do are usually those of bad character.
    Sometimes they’re nearly ready to shoot me by the time they get to the part where they pull out the breath-test kit. (A linear & not very active brain isn’t hard to goad to the point where they are struggling to not “lose it”)

  60. Des Deskperson

    ‘If all the above is correct, I wouldn’t even try to prosecute a case against Cuneen, or anyone else in her shoes, for anything.’

    If it is correct, then why doesn’t she simply go to ICAC and explain it.

    The alleged corruption may well be minor and there may be other and arguably more appropriate channels for dealing with it, but it still would seem to be covered by the definition of corruption in Section 8 of the Independent Commission Against Corruption Act 1988

    http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/maintop/view/inforce/act+35+1988+cd+0+N

    and ICA itself would presumable argue that there are no ‘degrees’ of corruption.

  61. Sometimes things like the results of blood tests in the big city have been known to be altered.

    Hehe, sounds like a job for ….. ICAC!

  62. twostix

    The use of the road is a privilege for which you pay some direct costs and make some concessions.

    Going into public isn’t a “privilege”.

  63. johanna

    Reg Withers, RIP. I remember listening to broadcasts of Parliament back in his day. The typical preamble to a question was “has the Minister read the report in [insert name of publication] alleging this, that and the other?”

    To which Reg would invariably reply – the “Honourable Senator should know by now that I only read the Bunbury Daily News.”

    In other words, put up or shut up.

  64. Peter from SA

    Scott just said if you take the notion of “market failure” to the enth degree the ABC should not broadcast news.

    Somebody with cohones should challenge him … why not, then, just “not broadcast news”? will the sky fall in? Scott must have such an over-inflated sense of his own importance.

    And quite possibly he was quite a nice chap before he was locked in a room in Ultimo, all those years ago.

  65. Bruce of Newcastle

    The only way to explain how muslims behave is that they are perpetually pissed to their eyeballs.

    Red Bull and amphetamines.

    Truck Loads of Red Bull ‘Fuelling Islamic State’

  66. Leigh Lowe, I’m not suggesting that the lady was injured. “Trapped” is not synonymous with “injured”, serious or otherwise.
    Ambos take people to hospital for lotsa things I wouldn’t, but they’re ambos, we’re laymen.
    If a blood test was not done in hospital, that ain’t the fault of the patient. “Remember to test me for blood-alcohol level so that I may potentially face charges & lose my driving licence” ain’t one of the things I ask forgetful nurses, were I to be hospitalised.

    I understand the principle here (regardless of outcome, did Cuneen give advice?). This matter is about as serious as the brand of wine Barry O’Farrell forgot or didn’t forget, or whatever. *Zzzzzzz*

  67. Des Deskperson
    #1518758, posted on November 20, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    DesDesk gets to the heart of the matter, concisely and clearly.

  68. Leigh Lowe

    Going into public isn’t a “privilege”.

    no … but driving on the road is.
    and can be rightfully withdrawn if you fuck up.

  69. Makka

    The pensioner attacked by 2 currs. All class;

    ‘”They knocked out his teeth as well so he’s in a bit of pain,” she said.

    “His words were… he was humiliated and didn’t believe it could happen.”

    “The attack has prompted an outpouring of support from the public, offering everything from groceries to cash payments but the injured pensioner’s family have requested that any donations be provided to the Alzheimer’s Association.”

    http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/11/20/13/43/family-of-bashed-sydney-man-request-any-donations-be-made-to-charity#cHbPbSID6JJJ4bRg.99

  70. cohenite

    Red Bull and amphetamines

    Yep on a base of insanity.

    The old adage of keep the insane sedated is another truism fallen victim to PC bullshit.

  71. Brian of Moorabbin

    Personally I’m wondering about this ‘detained’ thing that Steve mentions for RBTs.

    In the vast majority (and I’m talking 99.9999% of ‘please blow into this, driver’ RBTs) you are stationary for less time than is the standard for a red light.

    It’s only when a positive preliminary reading is obtained that you are asked to accompany the officer to either the bus or the local police station.

  72. Geriatric Mayfly

    Blood tests being altered is very small beer. Suspect samples taken from the late and esteemed Henry Bolte, Premier of Victoria, actually disappeared.

  73. Eddystone

    tomix
    #1518737, posted on November 20, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    You mean the Ambulance will, rather than transport an injured patient to hospital, remain parked until such time as a copper trundles along & administers a breath test?

    That’s right [in Qld, anyway], that’s why you take a dive. They must take an unconscious person to hospital.
    They wanted to be armed a few years ago. Even old Bligh wasn’t having that.

    I doubt if that is “rule” in Qld. I can’t see any ambo holding up transport or treatment of an injured patient in order for a breath test to be administered.

    On the other hand, we (in SA) take lots of people off to hospital after road accidents who are obviously not seriously injured. If the cops are on scene, which they usually are, and the patient’s condition allows, I don’t see the harm in the cops doing a breatho there and then. It saves the police having to go into the hospital later.

    I reckon tomix is spreading a rumour.

    (And all ambos should be armed with the weapon of their choice, any time they want. We are pillars of the community after all! 🙂 )

  74. Going into public isn’t a “privilege”.

    no … but driving on the road is.
    and can be rightfully withdrawn if you fuck up.

    Driving with half the blood alcohol level that is allowed in much of the rest of the world ain’t exactly an offence against humanity.

    Which gets to the heart of the matter. The offence of drink-driving is arbitrary. 0.05 used to be 0.08 The people who drove around for years at 0.07 without any problem, weren’t suddenly a whole lot more dangerous when the limit was arbitrarily lowered.

  75. twostix

    jeezus christ news.com.au is a piece of shit.

  76. Leigh Lowe

    If Cuneen did as alleged I don’t regard it as a hanging offence either, but nor should it be ignored. Note that she is on one side of a bitter factional dispute among the NSW Bar. I suspect her spirited defence is more about denying her opponents ammunition in that battle.

  77. It’s only when a positive preliminary reading is obtained that you are asked to accompany the officer to either the bus or the local police station.

    Can’t comment. I’ve never been involved, or even in the same street, as a positive roadside breath test. I know nothing about them, you could tell me anything & get away with it.

    In the vast majority (and I’m talking 99.9999% of ‘please blow into this, driver’ RBTs) you are stationary for less time than is the standard for a red light.

    Hmmm, if you big city fellers can do it that fast, what’s holding up the yokels in my part of the world? Do they just want to chat about the weather or something? No. The ones who want to chat aren’t the ones who’ll breath test me.

  78. Leigh Lowe

    Steve the argument is not about .05 vs .08.
    It is about a senior prosecutor allegedly inciting a person to lie to avoid legal process.
    I understand the woman didn’t test positive anyway so maybe she is just guilty of being a know-all smartarse

  79. tomix

    I didn’t say it was a “rule” in Qld, Eddystone. Just what happens. It’s a dirty world.

  80. Peter from SA

    From Bruce’s link:

    Mr. Yilmaz said: “While cement, vegetable oil, bulgur wheat, flour, salt and tinned fruit are popular, it is Red Bull that is most sought after by ISIS fighters. Every day we have four or five trucks carrying Red Bulls to Syria”.

  81. Grigory M

    Requirements for taking blood samples from persons injured in accidents – NSW

    The Road Transport (Safety and Traffic Management) Act 1999 which applies to traffic
    (motor, horse and pedestrian) accidents; the Marine (Boating and Safety – Alcohol and
    Drugs) Act 1991 and the Marine Safety Act 1998 which apply to marine accidents
    authorise the compulsory blood testing of persons of or above the age of fifteen years
    who attend or are admitted into a hospital for examination or treatment as a result of an
    accident by any medical practitioner by whom the person is attended.

    For clarification this applies to a person who was:
    • driving a motor vehicle involved in the accident; or
    • occupying the driving seat of a motor vehicle involved in the accident and
    attempting to put the motor vehicle in motion; or
    • a pedestrian involved in the accident; or
    • driving or riding a vehicle (not being a motor vehicle) involved in the accident; or
    • driving or riding a horse involved in the accident; or
    • the holder of a driver’s licence and occupying the seat in the motor vehicle next to
    a holder of a learner’s licence who was driving a motor vehicle involved in the
    accident; or
    • involved in an accident while operating a marine vessel.

    If there is no medical practitioner present to attend the person at the hospital, the blood
    or urine sample is to be taken by a Registered Nurse who is attending the person and
    who is accredited by a hospital as competent to perform the sampling procedure.

    The medical practitioner is under a duty to take the sample whether or not the accident
    patient consents to the taking of the sample.

    The blood sample is to be taken for analysis as soon as practicable after the person
    arrives at the hospital. It is desirable for the sampling procedure to be witnessed by a
    member of the Police force, but sampling should not be delayed for this reason.

  82. jeezus christ news.com.au is a piece of shit.

    Welcome to the club Twostix. News.com.au will only get “better” between now & breakfast, as the adults are off-duty (who can spell & stuff like that, and would consider the death of General Westmoreland a more reportable story over, say, a review of the latest x-box first person shooter game).

  83. Snoopy

    If it is correct, then why doesn’t she simply go to ICAC and explain it.

    You are joking aren’t you, Des?

  84. twostix

    no … but driving on the road is.
    and can be rightfully withdrawn if you fuck up.

    Can I ride a horse down the road? Why is driving a car on a road a “privilege” and riding a bike or walking on it isn’t?

    Now you’ll say because the government owns it so it gets to set the rules. So I raise you footpaths and all public spaces. Is it a privilege to use a footpath? Can the government mandate strip searches for all people using government owned footpaths? Doubtful.

    It’s completely arbitrary bullshit.

  85. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Note that she is on one side of a bitter factional dispute among the NSW Bar. I suspect her spirited defence is more about denying her opponents ammunition in that battle.

    Wasn’t there a legal shooting match between Cuneen and two members of the “old boy club?”

  86. Steve the argument is not about .05 vs .08.
    It is about a senior prosecutor allegedly inciting a person to lie to avoid legal process.

    Sorry for not being clearer LL, I didn’t intend to blur the two totally different micro-threads.

  87. Note that she is on one side of a bitter factional dispute among the NSW Bar. I suspect her spirited defence is more about denying her opponents ammunition in that battle.

    And that, ladies & gentlemen, is what this is actually all about.

  88. Brian of Moorabbin

    I’ve never been involved, or even in the same street, as a positive roadside breath test. I know nothing about them, you could tell me anything & get away with it.

    Yes, because I have a reputation for making shit up about what happens when explaining police procedures… after all, what the fuck would I know about them, right?

    if you big city fellers can do it that fast, what’s holding up the yokels in my part of the world?

    Good question. Why don’t you ask one, next time they come in for a beer? Or, perhaps next time you are ‘detained’ for an RBT?

    However if you watch the multitude of police programs on commercial television (RBT, Highway Patrol, WA Cops, Behind the Line, etc) you will see that roadside RBTs are conducted with one of two devices.

    The first one has the officer asking you to count to 5 (sometimes 10, but usually 5) while holding the sensor section of the device toward your face at about a 30cm distance. the sensor will detect alcohol on the breath and give an indication if any alcohol is present, but not a level.

    The second is the replacement to the old ‘blow in the bag’, where you blow one continuous breath (‘Just like blowing up a balloon’) through a tube connected to the sensor. This one will give an indication and reading of any alcohol contained in the breath.

    Both tests take, at most, 15 seconds. Again, you are ‘detained’ at a red light for longer.

    (If you doubt me, try an experiment yourself. Time yourself counting to 10. Then time yourself blowing one long breath into a balloon. Now go out and time the full red-light cycle and compare.)

  89. Leigh Lowe

    Can I ride a horse down the road?

    On freeways and major arterials, no.

    Why is driving a car on a road a “privilege” and riding a bike or walking on it isn’t?

    I believe bikes should be subject to the same rules.
    The footpath and walking analogy is fallacious. When was the last time a pedestrian got pissed and took out another group of pedestrians, killing two or three?
    The nearest analogy fir pedestrians is the drunken one-punch laws, which no doubt infringe the god-given right of drunks to freely swing their fists in a public place.

  90. Brian of Moorabbin

    Can the government mandate strip searches for all people using government owned footpaths? Doubtful.

    No, but a police officer who believes you are unduly under the influence of alcohol, yea verily even while walking down the footpath, can charge you with “drunk in a public space’, ‘drunk and disorderly’, etc and take you back to the station.

    That’s why the local police cells are sometimes referred to as ‘the drunk tank’…

  91. johanna

    Why is Cuneen protesting so much?

    If she is clean as a whistle, what does she have to fear?

    Meanwhile, slimebag Mark Scott has mentioned the “Countdown Special” as an example of great work by the Adelaide ABC at least three times. Nick Greasethon is giving him the rounds of the kitchen about it.

    BTW, it is worth mentioning that the Committee Chair, Anne Ruston (Lib., SA) is the only one who asked any even vaguely searching questions.

    For the rest, he has blustered and obfuscated to his heart’s content. If only Roddy Meagher could be raised from the dead. He would eviscerate this prick.

  92. tomix

    Hangin’ Henry Bolte eh? According to legend, a donut muncher pulled Russ Hinze’s ministerial Jag up in Brisbane for something or other. Hinze got out of the car with a map of Qld in his hand, spread it on the bonnet, and asked the muncher to indicate which godforsaken shithole he wished to spend the remainder of his career in.

    Problem solved.

  93. Yes, because I have a reputation for making shit up about what happens when explaining police procedures… after all, what the fuck would I know about them, right?

    No, it means I’ve no idea what goes on with a positive breath test. “You could tell me anything” means I’ve no reference points & no idea, you could (theoretically) tell me something so ridiculous your workmates would fall over laughing at the weirdness of it, & I’d believe it)

    What takes ’em so long here to conduct a breat test? It isn’t only that that takes ’em a while. About half my family is in the job way down south. Some’ve work in the Big Smoke for 20 years or more (inner city suburbs of Sydney), they shake their head when they see the ….er… productivity level & prioritising of the local plod here.

  94. Brian of Moorabbin

    Hinze got out of the car with a map of Qld in his hand, spread it on the bonnet, and asked the muncher to indicate which godforsaken shithole he wished to spend the remainder of his career in.

    And then people complain about how coppers are overly favourable towards politicians, the rich, insert latest-target-of-envy, and how we’re just out to “screw Joe Q. Public…”

    Damned if we do, damned if we don’t…

  95. custard

    Meanwhile, slimebag Mark Scott has mentioned the “Countdown Special” as an example of great work by the Adelaide ABC at least three times. Nick Greasethon is giving him the rounds of the kitchen about it.

    Good summary Jo. The countdown special would have required the use of an edit suite……not much else.

    I’m switching off at the next break. Weak as piss.

  96. Eddystone

    tomix
    #1518779, posted on November 20, 2014 at 10:13 pm
    I didn’t say it was a “rule” in Qld, Eddystone. Just what happens. It’s a dirty world.

    I expect the “duty of care” in Qld is the same as in SA, so no ambo would hold up necessary treatment for a breath test. We don’t allow cops to harass sick patients. There’s simply no reason why an ambulance would wait around at an accident scene for the sole purpose of a breath test. If nothing else, the ambos would rather be ramped at the hospital where we can check out any cute nurses or grumble about management with our fellow ambos, than waiting at an accident scene for the cops to roll up.

    Now if we had a pissed arsehole in the back with us, we may have to get the police to help us manage them. But that’s for safety reasons.

  97. stackja

    ICAC has reputation for picking some and missing others. Cuneen has been picked for what reason?

  98. ….with a map of Qld in his hand, spread it on the bonnet, and asked the muncher to indicate which godforsaken shithole he wished to spend the remainder of his career in.

    In SA I’m led to believe the punishment is a transfer to the Transit Police in some rough & very unsalubrious Adelaide suburb I don’t recall the name of.

  99. Leigh Lowe

    In the vast majority (and I’m talking 99.9999% of ‘please blow into this, driver’ RBTs) you are stationary for less time than is the standard for a red light.

    I agree.
    I have been stopped three times in the last twelve months. Twice at a booze bus and once with two officers and a car at a small RBT station only last Sunday on the Sodom-Gomorrah main road.
    Total time lost would have been less than three minutes.
    What was hilarious last Sunday was Mrs L had given me an old-fashioned liquorice Choo-Choo Bar just before we got to the RBT.
    I could barely open my mouth to blow in the tube. When I finally extracted the half chewed bar from the teeth and blew in the tube, I left a thick coating of black grease on the plastic tube.
    Bit of a cackle all round and I was on my way.
    They frequent that road on Sundays because there are quite a few city visitors to Sodom who have the long lunch and think they can sneak home through the bush around Skippy time.
    I for one am pleased they do.
    Reducing the chance of some half pissed idiot swerving to avoid a kangaroo and taking someone out is a worthwhile cause.

  100. twostix

    The footpath and walking analogy is fallacious.

    No it’s not. It’s the direct equivalent to using a road. On what grounds is “using” a road branded a “privilege” but using a footpath isn’t?

    When was the last time a pedestrian got pissed and took out another group of pedestrians, killing two or three?

    Drunk “pedestrians” hurt and mame people all the time. After which they are duly arrested. Yet all people walking on “public” footpaths aren’t subject to random arrest because of that. Though by your logic (which is the logic which maintains the status quo) if the government wanted to it would be well within its rights to because after all – is using a road is a privilege then so is using a footpath or being in any public space.

  101. Grigory M

    ICAC has reputation for picking some and missing others.

    It does? Which ones has ICAC picked and which ones has it missed?

  102. Motelier

    I try. Honestly I do try. I would think that I am one of the more moderate commenters here.

    On Tuesday and Wednesday nights we had 20 twin share rooms and 2 single rooms booked by the AMWU. The deal was for accommodation and breakfast.

    I am sure SatP would have jumped at this.

    The account is to be paid by the AMWU. Other peoples money.

    This morning, the kitchen refuse device was filled twice over. All from the AMWU rooms.

    Apparently, they partied until sometime this morning.

    Ahem. I hate waste. I really do. But when you have to wonder about the upper levels of the ALP, have a really close look at those on the shop floor.

    OPM*

    Other Peoples Money.

  103. Armadillo

    (And all ambos should be armed with the weapon of their choice, any time they want. We are pillars of the community after all! 🙂 )

    They were talking about giving Ambos a different coloured shirt (pink?) so they don’t get mistaken for the coppers in street brawls. I can see a side arm working as well. It should also be extended to bookmakers. A balaclava makes working difficult. And it also gets itchy after a while.

  104. Brian, FYI Russ Hinze was at the time the Police Minister, and a very larger than life figure who had “presence”.
    The story (apocryphical, but may have happened lotsa times) would be on a par with a lance corporal pulling over Ronald Reagan’s car on a military base, & being asked which one-man artic weather station he’d like his 25-year posting to be to?

  105. Brian of Moorabbin

    No, it means I’ve no idea what goes on with a positive breath test. “You could tell me anything” means I’ve no reference points & no idea, you could (theoretically) tell me something so ridiculous your workmates would fall over laughing at the weirdness of it, & I’d believe it)

    Again because I’ve got a reputation for telling completely bullshit stories about police procedures, whether for shits-n-giggles, or simply because I’m that much of a bastard, right?

    Why would I pull such a stunt when I know there are other coppers here who read (and comment) on various pieces of police procedure that I explain to Cats who ask, and would very quickly be pulled up on trying to pull such bullshit?

    No. Don’t bother. It was rhetorical. Just do me a favour and let me know which town your pub is in so I can put the word out to for people to go a further 10 muinutes up the road to another establishment that doesn’t rip them off because the owner has some kind of “fuck da po-lice” attitude…

  106. Leigh Lowe

    That’s why the local police cells are sometimes referred to as ‘the drunk tank’…

    A cold dry-out is often good for all concerned.

  107. Eddystone

    tomix
    #1518793, posted on November 20, 2014 at 10:26 pm
    Hangin’ Henry Bolte eh? According to legend, a donut muncher pulled Russ Hinze’s ministerial Jag up in Brisbane for something or other. Hinze got out of the car with a map of Qld in his hand, spread it on the bonnet, and asked the muncher to indicate which godforsaken shithole he wished to spend the remainder of his career in.

    That sounds really believable tomix. Not.

  108. stackja

    Russ Hinze upset the usual suspects. Russ’s granddaughter is also well known for certain measurements.
    86 cm – 61 cm – 89 cm (34 in – 24 in – 35 in)

  109. I am sure SatP would have jumped at this.

    I run a strong union pub Mote, how many anecdotes do you want? I’m not sure when my promotion to “Comrade” will come through, but it must be getting close, as I’ve been “Brother” for several years now.

  110. twostix

    The nearest analogy fir pedestrians is the drunken one-punch laws, which no doubt infringe the god-given right of drunks to freely swing their fists in a public place.

    That’s not even nearly an analogy to RBT’s.

  111. Peter from SA

    The blood sample is to be taken for analysis as soon as practicable after the person
    arrives at the hospital. It is desirable for the sampling procedure to be witnessed by a
    member of the Police force, but sampling should not be delayed for this reason

    Seriously, all this “practicable” stuff, a lawyer can make hay all they like here.

    You know, I have chest pains, so it is not “practicable” to take any tests …

    the bottom line is that most rules are unenforceable … why have them?

  112. Brian of Moorabbin

    Btw, I know who Russ Hinze is, and what posts he held in the Bjelke-Petersen governments. I may live in Victoria, but I do take an active interest in what happens in the rest of the country.

    And again, apocryphical or not, such a story is also the basis of the “yeah they (coppers) only screw the little man, they wouldn’t do it if it were [insert latest-target-of-envy]”…

    Just like if I told the story about the arsehole publican who watered down his beer so he could make more profits and used it as a generalisation that all publicans are sleezy pricks who rip off their cutomers… that wouldn’t bother you at all, would it?

  113. stackja

    Leigh Lowe
    #1518808, posted on November 20, 2014 at 10:36 pm
    That’s why the local police cells are sometimes referred to as ‘the drunk tank’…

    A cold dry-out is often good for all concerned.

    I believe NSW had drunk tank until AG Walker changed the laws.
    BTW ICAC arrived too late for many ALP figures.

  114. johanna

    God, our Senators are dumb as dogshit. Even the hostile ones just give gift after gift to Scott. The current moron is asking the same question over and over again, on behalf of her rural constituents, as the previous idiots have. Scott just keeps batting them back, and they don’t even realise how stupid they are.

    ” … the question is how we should best organise ourselves, about regional and rural services …” says Scott. We are in heated agreement, he says to the dupe Senator.

    Play School is in no danger, while the Senate sits.

  115. Brian of Moorabbin

    You know what, fuck this shit.

    Finding out that a good friend of mine is in critical condition after a heart-attack has obviously not put me in a good mood, and is affecting what I am seeing here tonight.

    Good night to those who give a shit.

  116. Grigory M

    Seriously, all this “practicable” stuff, a lawyer can make hay all they like here.

    You know, I have chest pains, so it is not “practicable” to take any tests …

    Sigh – here’s the next bit:

    A sample should be taken from any person who meets the abovementioned criteria
    unless:

    • blood sampling would prejudice the proper care and treatment of the person;
    • the behaviour of the patient is such that taking a blood sample is not possible; or
    • the patient did not attend the hospital until more than 12 hours after the accident
    occurred.

    If a patient meets the abovementioned criteria, and a blood sample is not taken, the
    reason for not taking the sample and the circumstances should be entered into the
    patient’s health record.

    The medical practitioner or nurse taking the sample does not incur any civil or criminal
    liability in respect to anything properly or necessarily done in the course of taking a
    blood or urine sample in accordance with the Act. The sample may be taken by a nurse
    acting under the supervision of a medical practitioner, in which case the sample is
    deemed for legal purposes to have been done by the medical practitioner.

  117. Leigh Lowe

    Risk and consequence, Twostix.
    That is all.
    30 years ago we lived in a knuckledragger piss-head culture where we killed over 1,000 people in Victoria alone.
    The toll is now about a quarter of that.
    Yes, there are multiple contributors to that reduction … better road technology, better vehicle technology, seatbelt legislation and, yes, breath testing laws.
    I see it as merely a mutual obligation to society.
    I still hear Neanderthal dickheads telling me how they can “hold their drink” and “are OK to drive” and invariably then make a tell-tale physical or speech stumble.

  118. Again because I’ve got a reputation for telling completely bullshit stories about police procedures, whether for shits-n-giggles, or simply because I’m that much of a bastard, right?

    Rewind Brian. I’ve never said any such thing. Nor have I implied it.
    Many professions make erronous assumptions. One often made by police is that non-police have an understanding of police procedures or stuff. I’ve no idea what happens to people who break the law, or who are charged. I was using a common expression to illustrate my lack of knowledge, not suggesting you tell porkies.
    Example: I often encounter at work officers who can’t be convinced that I wouldn’t know “drugs” if I held them in my hand. They see drugs often, & deal with MOP’s who are familiar with drugs both recreational & hard. It is outside their experience, and thus does not compute, that there is such a thing as someone who knows no more about drugs than how to spell the word.

    Btw, not sure if your compatriots would move all that far. I’m the only one in town who doesn’t give them grief, and my father & grandfather (+ great uncles) are all former police officers, and a lot of my cousins are serving officers.
    This does not mean I’m one-eyed however.
    The main reason they woudn’t leave? The day they do, the “police discount” ends, and they know it.
    Coz y’see, it ain’t all one-way.

  119. Kae

    I see youse… Back to lurking.

  120. Andrew

    News Ltd misogynists doing a smear on Bishop666, including reproducing Twitter grubs attacking her.

    “Could all this be lost? Source: Supplied” asks one caption. Yeah, from the Abbot666 Point coal terminal – you know, the one Anna Blie wanted to build 3x the size with 12x more dredging? It could kill the whole fucking 2000KM LONG Reef!

    Plus of course this lie about the warmist PM:

    It’s no secret PM Abbott is no fan of the thought of climate change.

    Compellingly,

    Bob Irwin urges people to fight for the reef

    Because he knows better than the Blie ALP govt people in the Dept of Environment.

  121. Motelier

    I run a strong union pub Mote, how many anecdotes do you want? I’m not sure when my promotion to “Comrade” will come through, but it must be getting close, as I’ve been “Brother” for several years now.

    ahem.

    Whoever pays the bills will always pay the bills.

    SatP. We have them here every week.
    The number off rooms go up in a direct relationship to how close the next election is.

    Let me see. Oh Yes. It is in 2015.

    We have to bow to our masters and charge them according to our business principles.

    But wouldn’t it be great to tell the rank and file about the excesses.

    Of course if we did that….

  122. johanna

    It’s hard to believe that the gorgeous Christy Hinze is related to Russ, who was as ugly as a cane toad.

    Perhaps she isn’t.

  123. JC

    unfuckingreal

    Stupid liars party senator asks Mark Scott if he finds it ironic that the Libs want to cut the ABC budget while wanting to add to costs by introducing a head of editorial.

    This fucking moron thinks $300K (?) equals $250 million? WTF?

  124. Grigory M

    And, Peter from SA – you might as well read the rest of it.

    Sampling Procedure

    An approved blood alcohol sampling kit must be used for collecting each blood sample
    and recording the necessary details. Each kit contains all equipment needed for
    sampling, packaging, identification of samples and certification by the medical
    practitioner. A medical certificate must be filled out by the medical practitioner or nurse
    taking a sample under the Act. Medical certificate forms are provided in quadruplicate.

    The medical practitioner or nurse by whom a sample of a person’s blood is taken must:

    (a) divide the sample into 2 approximately equal portions; and
    (b) place each portion into a container; and
    (c) fasten and seal each container (see instructions with kits); and
    (d) mark or label each container for future identification.

    One sample and the pink copy of the certificate must be returned to the patient. The
    blue (Police copy) of the certificates should be retained by the hospital for later
    collection by the Police. The second sample together with the remaining white and
    yellow copies of the certificates should be appropriately packaged and placed in the
    Police Security Box for transport to the Blood Sample Unit, Parramatta. The box will be
    cleared from the hospital at least weekly and an empty replacement box installed.

    The Police will clear samples placed in the Security Box and the hospital will have no
    involvement beyond the initial collection of blood samples.

    No extra charge is to be raised for collection of blood samples for alcohol analysis
    regardless of the insurance status of the patient.

    Police will also use the security boxes for depositing samples taken under legislation
    allowing for intoxicated drivers to be tested for drugs. These samples are normally
    taken only under Police direction. The Police involved will deposit samples within the
    security box when such samples are collected and will advise the security box couriers
    to collect the samples within 24 hours.

  125. Mote: I know who spends the most in my place outta Liberal or Labor.
    (Btw, I’ve a fantastic true story about current Qld opposition leader, if I ever make it to a cat-meetup)

    The ALP certainly stick their nose in the trough when staying at my place. I don’t get much union guests though. On the other hand, the front bar is sometimes pretty much annexed by the ACTU.

  126. Beef

    The story (apocryphical, but may have happened lotsa times) would be on a par with a lance corporal pulling over Ronald Reagan’s car on a military base, & being asked which one-man artic weather station he’d like his 25-year posting to be to?

    Great stories, personal favorite is about Kerry Packer.

    Finishing a deal late one night in Enland, Kerry decided to buy everyone involved in the deal dinner and drinks. They went to a local pub and asked for service. The owner flatly refused them as it was after closing.

    Kerry and his gang go 200 meters down the cobblestone road and ask the next bar keep if he could serve them.

    Be happy to, fired up the kitchen, fireplace and bar. After a wonderful time and chatting with the owner, he had found out he owed 120,000 pound in mortgage. Kerry duly wrote him a cheque under the proviso that in the morning, he walk up the street and show it to the owner of the other establishment before he could cash it.

  127. SatP. We have them here every week.

    You’ve mentioned this before, accompanied by a similar tale of bacchanalian excess.

  128. Leigh Lowe

    Yes, Grigory, that is the loophole.
    I suspect that the perpetrator pulled that stunt and shot her mouth off, thus tipping a bucket of shit on M-i-L.
    She is not concerned about minimal criminal consequences.
    It is all about career consequences and professional standing in the NSW Bar.
    It is unlikely she could take up her recent appointment to the Board of the NSW Bar if ICAC found she acted dishonestly, even if not technically illegal.

  129. MsDolittle

    Sometimes things like the results of blood tests in the big city have been known to be altered.
    Otoh, a positive reading at the scene presents a few problems….

    Yep and sometimes people just lay down. I went to a function and was ever so careful about what I drank, it was only a short lecture at the RACV maybe 1 hr (give you a hint, Mark Steyn gave a video link re 18c). As luck had it, I managed to skull half my second red wine an find my parked car within 5 mins and drive straight into a breath testing station. I blew .07 was fined, humiliated ect. I was told to go get a coffee and come back. Half hour later, upon return I blew into the bag .03. I was so embarrassed I didn’t tell doc until he arrived home from his country rounds. He said the drop in blood alcohol was impossible for a tiny woman’s liver and the police should go fuck themselves. True story.

  130. .

    The more you read about Packer, the more you like him.

  131. Motelier

    (Btw, I’ve a fantastic true story about current Qld opposition leader, if I ever make it to a cat-meetup)

    I have a goody about a Minister in the past Labor Qld Government. The saying “dumb as two sticks” is really close to the mark. But the wife was a hottie. MrsM was there and wandered off muttering under her breath about having to charge and account for GST when they where in the restaurant.

  132. Infidel Tiger

    Just to show that all politicians have dodgy and dopey policies, I have just been reading the Family First Facebook page and it is Bob Day’s (FF’s) policy that Australia needs to give 1% of its GDP away in Foreign Aid.

    Strike a light. He is so sensible on nearly every economic issue…

  133. Just like if I told the story about the arsehole publican who watered down his beer so he could make more profits and used it as a generalisation that all publicans are sleezy pricks who rip off their cutomers… that wouldn’t bother you at all, would it?

    The story would be at least 25 years old.
    If true.

    Watering down beer wasn’t near as common as popular myth would have one believe.
    Cutting spirits is easier to do.
    Short pouring of spirits is even easier, and near impossible to detect if done properly.

    Sometimes I wonder about “watered beer” stories. On occassion I’ve been accused by it, by people who “know” I watered it.
    Morons.

  134. Beef

    The more you read about Packer, the more you like him.

    I think he was great Dot, I have a mate of 40 years standing who loved Kerry Packer, followed his every move in life. Owns every book and video. I have heard many tales he regaled me with, mostly about his generosity and inability to suffer fools. I have heard adverse attributes but they seem easily forgotten.

  135. Infidel Tiger

    No need to water it down when you are charging such ridiculous amounts.

  136. JC

    Just to show that all politicians have dodgy and dopey policies, I have just been reading the Family First Facebook page and it is Bob Day’s (FF’s) policy that Australia needs to give 1% of its GDP away in Foreign Aid.

    Strike a light. He is so sensible on nearly every economic issue…

    Count it all up, it’s possible a net saving

  137. Armadillo

    Forgive my ignorance here. But logically, how do you give someone “advice” to fake chest pains when you are at an RBT? “Excuse me officer, I just need to phone my boyfriends mother before I blow in the bag”? LL’s argument makes the most sense.

  138. MsDolittle

    On occassion I’ve been accused by it, by people who “know” I watered it.

    Gawd! And the customer is always right. It’s hard at the coal face., I feel your pain.

  139. Motelier

    Watering down beer wasn’t near as common as popular myth would have one believe.
    Cutting spirits is easier to do.
    Short pouring of spirits is even easier, and near impossible to detect if done properly.

    While we do not have SatP’s bar turnover, we always pour at the guests table in the restaurant. The bar staff hate it but, all of the guests actually like it.

    I hate the cost of the little cans of Coke however, but, No-one has ever said, The coke is flat.

  140. I’ve also a first class Packer story. Though it isn’t mine. One of my friends, unknown to me, was an associate of Packer, & was able to arrange a meeting once when I was running into trouble with someone who KP may have had some insight into. Turned out KP & I had a couple of the same close associates, none of whom had ever let on to me they knew him.

    Then again, they likewise never told Mr. Packer they knew me.

  141. Gawd! And the customer is always right. It’s hard at the coal face., I feel your pain.

    The most common one, Ms Dolittle, is when someone opines that their beer is a bit “flat”.
    Within 5 minutes the whole bar has pushed their beer back accross the bar, saying “yeah, something wrong with it, a bit flat today”

    It is near impossible to have “flat” beer in a reticulated direct pour, once you’ve hooked up the keg. However once confronted with this gripe, you gotta pretend to muck around with “keg & gas” & then give ’em all one on the house.
    They go home still griping about the “flat” beer they had earlier on.

  142. Motelier

    And as for Kerry Packer.

    I just we had more mega-rich people like him.

    We have two regulars that stay with us. They have confirmed every rumour you have heard about Kerry Packer.

    The best statement was” Sell you bisiness to Kerry Packer, he will make it work, but never ever buy from Kerry Packer, because you will not make it work like he does.”

    Ahem. Alan Bond should have taken notice.

  143. JC

    I have a Kerry Packer story

    A friend of mine’s dad lived in an apartment building in Sydney. It had a terrace and because it was recessed back a little from the one below, it was easy to overlook what was going on.

    What was going on was that Kerry would be visiting his girlfriend living in the apartment below and on a sunny day, the big whale would be laying on a deck chair in the nud getting sun.

    He asked my friend’s dad how much he wanted for his apartment. It wasn’t an outrageous price because the poor bloke was scared of him if he asked too high.

  144. Infidel Tiger

    Forgive my ignorance here. But logically, how do you give someone “advice” to fake chest pains when you are at an RBT? “Excuse me officer, I just need to phone my boyfriends mother before I blow in the bag”? LL’s argument makes the most sense.

    Don’t “drink and drive” would have been better for all concerned.

    I once blew 0.055 at 10:30am on Good Friday. Cops couldn’t believe their luck. Only a fine in WA though.

  145. Motelier

    No need to water it down when you are charging such ridiculous amounts.

    For what?

  146. Infidel Tiger

    The most common one, Ms Dolittle, is when someone opines that their beer is a bit “flat”.
    Within 5 minutes the whole bar has pushed their beer back accross the bar, saying “yeah, something wrong with it, a bit flat today”

    Probably the dirty glasses you serve them in.

  147. Leigh Lowe

    Yes Armadillo.
    Possibly a hypothetical chat around the lunch table one Sunday about loopholes.
    Some time later D-i-L has a minor prang. Cops attend and she deploys tactic.
    D-i-L then brags to all and sundry how M-i-L’s advice got her off.
    I forecast a frosty Christmas I that local area.

  148. john constantine

    The best thing about the upcoming victorian election could well be the end of the practise of using victorian ambulances as mobile billboards for the swampfilth.

    Local ambulances parked in the main street, or just idly cruising around, like the blues brothers touting for the big ‘put the band back together’ concert. Spreading the message that socialism saves, and so do ambo’s.

    “vote tory and die’ is basically scrawled all over the glass area of the ambulances, only interrupted by the observations that tories stomp ambulance driver’s kittens, starve ambulance driver’s children and cause global warming. Pay rises for ambo’s now, to halt climate change.

    Once they have got into the habit, i wonder if they will be able to stop?.

  149. custard

    Scott tells senate estimates that he needs to travel around Australia to talk to the troops for a whole week.

    What a fucking waste of money. You’re a broadcaster you stupid prick, why not a video hook up and save some time and money….

    FFS!

  150. Grigory M

    Forgive my ignorance here. But logically, how do you give someone “advice” to fake chest pains when you are at an RBT? “Excuse me officer, I just need to phone my boyfriends mother before I blow in the bag”?

    She wasn’t pulled over for a breath test. She was the driver who was in a car crash. Plenty of time to phone the boyfriend’s mum and get the advice long before the police arrived.

  151. Motelier

    “vote tory and die’ is basically scrawled all over the glass area of the ambulances, only interrupted by the observations that tories stomp ambulance driver’s kittens, starve ambulance driver’s children and cause global warming. Pay rises for ambo’s now, to halt climate change.

    Simple solution. Letters to the editor or all and I do mean all newspapers deriding the Vic ambulances support of ANY political party.

    The key word is “ANY”. Use the word well and use it often.

  152. Probably the dirty glasses you serve them in.

    That is about the only way to have flat beer. Though that’d not arbitrarily strike in mid-afternoon.

    More common than dirty glasses (ie, haven’t been cut & polished for a couple of weeks) is glasses that have been used for spirits or cordial. The sugaryness residue, though minute, is murder on beer bubbles.

  153. MsDolittle

    Within 5 minutes the whole bar has pushed their beer back accross the bar

    Schoolgirl mass hysteria, next they’ll all be feeling faint before seeing a saint. Bastards. Well like I say to doc “job is fantastic if wasn’t for all the sick people” . Just have to press on Steve, no alternative. If I think hard, things could be a lot worse. Actually, I really don’t have to think very hard at all as I’m in Victoria.

  154. Motelier

    SatP.

    Our first meeting at a Qld Cats affair is going to be a ripper and probably with matching hangovers to boot.

  155. Armadillo

    Plenty of time to phone the boyfriend’s mum and get the advice long before the police arrived.

    About her zero alcohol reading?

  156. Leigh Lowe

    Yes John, I was kind of wondering today if I could write slogans on any publicly owned vehicle I choose. Perhaps a comment about donkeys, fellatio and Green politicians scrawled on a DSE ute. Or maybe a link between bedwetting and Krazy Klive daubed on a fire truck.

  157. Our first meeting at a Qld Cats affair is going to be a ripper and probably with matching hangovers to boot.

    If Kae is to be believed, Qld cat meetings are livened up no end by Mk50.
    The rest of us are just audience.

    In real life I’m a much skinnier & younger quite chap than I seem here. And I’m a soda water drinker. I once went to a Larvatus Prodeo meetin in a pub, & none of them realised who I was.

  158. Plenty of time to phone the boyfriend’s mum and get the advice long before the police arrived.
    About her zero alcohol reading?

    That inescapable fact does seem to upset the narrative somewhat.

  159. Motelier

    More common than dirty glasses (ie, haven’t been cut & polished for a couple of weeks) is glasses that have been used for spirits or cordial. The sugaryness residue, though minute, is murder on beer bubbles.

    Hmmmmmm how about the really odd ones. Like any milk or cream based drinks in a “tall” glass.

    We have a special “shelf” in the fridge for them.

  160. Motelier

    In real life I’m a much skinnier & younger quite chap than I seem here. And I’m a soda water drinker. I once went to a Larvatus Prodeo meetin in a pub, & none of them realised who I was.

    It is okay. We have similar minds sets. Both MrsM and I are probably a little bit “over the top” when in public.

  161. Good work Mote, keep ’em quarantined if you can.
    But surely you have glass washer?
    The XXXX plumber (there’s one based in Cattle City) will cheerfully give you advice & recommend a commercial substance in which to wash your designated beer glasses, and how often. We do ’em once a week, on a brush machine. You’d get a better job done with a non-motorised brush fixed to the bottom of a bucket or something.

  162. Motelier

    If Kae is to be believed, Qld cat meetings are livened up no end by Mk50.
    The rest of us are just audience.

    I need lots and lots of warning. Just so I can arrange to get there.

  163. In real life I’m a very slender ethnic chinese lady, I look barely 21. This fools a lot of people.

  164. Motelier

    In real life I’m a very slender ethnic chinese lady, I look barely 21. This fools a lot of people.

    Talk to the hand.

  165. Grigory M

    About her zero alcohol reading?

    Guess you’d have to ask Ms Cunneen that one, Humpty Dildo. How’s the wall, BTW?

  166. It fooled the Larvatus Prodeo crowd. The patronising so-&-so’s never imagined an ethnic with a vocabulary could be anything but one of their own.

  167. Andrew

    It is unlikely she could take up her recent appointment to the Board of the NSW Bar if ICAC found she acted dishonestly, even if not technically illegal.

    Oh, do they take action against lawyers who act unethically these days?

  168. Motelier

    Good work Mote, keep ‘em quarantined if you can.
    But surely you have glass washer?
    The XXXX plumber (there’s one based in Cattle City) will cheerfully give you advice & recommend a commercial substance in which to wash your designated beer glasses, and how often. We do ‘em once a week, on a brush machine. You’d get a better job done with a non-motorised brush fixed to the bottom of a bucket or something.

    I just need an ice machine at the moment.

    Rockvegas has been tossing really high temperatures for the last week, so the customers have been hiding in their air-conditioned rooms ordering room service, and a bowl of ice..

  169. Andrew

    Goddamn Kenyan lectures us about CO2 when his own emissions went up (and ours went down, due to the economy being in the toilet alongside Spain).

    The data also showed a 4.8% increase in the use of energy from coal

    Fucking rude prick that he is, Bishop666 ought to be ramming it down his throat. Since he’s a lame duck anyhow, she should be courting the GOP.

  170. Motelier

    SatP

    We have a glass washer. But we have found that a quarantine method works most efficiently for us.

    I is actually the shape of the glass that determines what the glass is used for.

  171. I just need an ice machine at the moment.

    You don’t have one?
    Or you’ve a broken down one?
    Or you require an extra one?

  172. MsDolittle

    If I have a Vic cat Xmas party will anybody come. Don’t get excited Labor, it will be in my own home not an airbnb party pad.

  173. It is actually the shape of the glass that determines what the glass is used for.

    That method can even work, provided you don’t hire Australians.

  174. johanna

    Dishwashers, schmishwashers.

    When I was managing a bar, every glass was washed (including a good rub inside) at least once a week, by hand, in soapy hot water.

    These days, they even make lipsticks that defy dishwashing machines.

  175. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Brian of Moorabbin
    #1518818, posted on November 20, 2014 at 10:44 pm

    You know what, fuck this shit.

    Finding out that a good friend of mine is in critical condition after a heart-attack has obviously not put me in a good mood, and is affecting what I am seeing here tonight.

    Good night to those who give a shit.

    Brian, from those of us who do give a shit, all the best to your mate. Nolli Illegitum se carborundum. (Don’t ever let the barstewards grind you down.)

  176. If I have a Vic cat Xmas party will anybody come. Don’t get excited Labor, it will be in my own home not an airbnb party pad.

    You may wish to reconsider the location Ms Dolittle. Should real life emulate the Cat, your place could end up in quite a state.

  177. Motelier

    You don’t have one?

    NO

    And I want one. And this is where MrsM and I ……………………….

    So bags of ice work a treat. However we only have 26 room here.

    I am only a little fish in a big pond.

  178. Armadillo

    I have a few Packer stories, but this one I won’t forget.

    Above anything, Packer was a buisnessman. An uncle of mine went into a partnership to buy a pub with one of Packers long term friends from childhood. The uncle stumped up the money, but his business partner was a bit “short”, so he phoned Kerry. The response was “I’m your mate, not your fucking banker – phone him, not me”. Best admonishment advice ever he got he reckons. In essence, don’t mooch. Make your own way. Friendship isn’t about money. And they were friends until the end. Packer was at his funeral.

  179. Dishwashers, schmishwashers.

    Johanna, we’re talking the weekly polish, not the rinse in hot water after every use.

    A rotating central brush, with a counter rotating set around it, mean you just push the glass down into the suds & lift it, washed. No wrist twist necessary.

    It takes one designated “glass washing” 8-hour shift for one person to “do” all our glasses.

  180. Fisky

    Very sad to see Reg Withers has passed away.

  181. Motelier

    That method can even work, provided you don’t hire Australians.

    Uhmmmmmmmmm yes. French ladies are the best working with this. and so are the ladies from South America.

    But the South American ladies hate the kitchen bell.

  182. Kae

    How about a December meet?

    PM me via Bloodnut Blog.

    I’ll look tomorrow, must go horizontal now.

    And I’m a svelte twentysomething ranga…. several years on.

  183. Ice-machines are great Mote. A good one won’t break down all that often.
    If you do, be sure to padlock it, otherwise it’ll never seem to ever have ice in it.
    And run the water to it through several yards of copper pipe coiled in a coldroom, failing that a designated old beer-fridge or something beside the ice machine, also padlocked, otherwise you’ll find the door always open & hot water going into the ice machine.

    Most important: Get on very good terms with your fridgie, coz you’ll be calling him more than you used to.

  184. Motelier

    From Kae

    How about a December meet?

    I am in, but I need dates to formalised really quickly. Two motels and all of that.

  185. How about a December meet?

    I’m likely out, lots to do in Dec.

  186. You know what, fuck this shit.

    Finding out that a good friend of mine is in critical condition after a heart-attack has obviously not put me in a good mood, and is affecting what I am seeing here tonight.

    Good night to those who give a shit.

    Brian, you turned out to be an Alluring Bald Man, so you get a free pass.

    Also you have a wife and family.

    Also, my nephew wants to join the force at present.

    You are all right in my book.

  187. Kae

    It’s ok SatP, Mrs D

    Calli will provide a skip at mates’ rates.

  188. And if we’re talking about Cat meetups, I should explain that I am a 16 stone black man called George who lives in Florida.

  189. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You may wish to reconsider the location Ms Dolittle. Should real life emulate the Cat, your place could end up in quite a state.

    Be prepared for the early intervention of the riot squad. Order of dress may include truncheons.

  190. Motelier

    SatP

    Ice-machines are great Mote. A good one won’t break down all that often.

    I have actually had the plumbing and electrical work put into the bar, however…… you know the rest of the story.

    ATM bags of ice from Coles are good value for money. Remember 26 rooms. I can hold 10 bags in the freezers.

  191. Kae

    Fekkin iPhone

    Friday in a month, near 20 Dec

  192. Fisky

    Terrible news about Reg Withers. One of the few Liberals who ever had a spine.

  193. Motelier

    Kae

    Let me work the managers.

    Being so close to Xmas might pose a problem for one motel.

    A week earlier might help.

  194. I have actually had the plumbing and electrical work put into the bar, however…… you know the rest of the story.

    Okay, I’m learnin’ something here.
    Only ice machines I’ve ever seen a stand alone things about six-and-half-feet high, plumbed in outside somewhere, coz they take up too much space indoors, or else are in a designated room behind the bar, usually called the “ice-machine room”.

  195. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Terrible news about Reg Withers. One of the few Liberals who ever had a spine.

    Met him three or four times at social bunfights. I did address him as “The toe-cutter.” He seemed surprised that someone remembered.

  196. Cat meet up? We’ll need to know a few things:
    Will there be hot young things in attendance? (answer of “yes” will increase my chances of attending from “unlikely” to “confirmed attending”)

  197. Motelier

    And if we’re talking about Cat meetups, I should explain that I am a 16 stone black man called George who lives in Florida.

    Then you have really wonder if you want to attend.

    Of course…we have never argued, we look at the world from a closely focused set of eyes.

    Oh bugger it. Feel free to attend Philippa

  198. Black George, in your capacity as spokesman to the Cat on all matters pertaining to Florida, please enlighten us as to when Florida began using “stone” as a measure of weight?

  199. Kae

    Fisky

    Reg Withers, we are closer to him than you realise.

  200. Motelier

    Okay, I’m learnin’ something here.

    We did the “OMG” look at the large 2mt tall ice machines on the market. Then went really hard to a number of hospitality suppliers in Brisbane. All wanted to promote the biggest version available. But we used the first one to beat the price down to what we required.

    These ice machines are available and would suit our circumstances.

    But the lesson is there.

  201. Armadillo

    Okay, I’m learnin’ something here.

    Miss A’s friends parents recently sold their business and bought into a “Ice/Water Vending” franchise – think of those machines that you stick money in and it throws you chips or chocolate bars. Same principal. They sit outside of shops/service stations and are available 24/7. Throw in $5 and they spit out huge bags of ice or you can refill those big water cooler bottles. Not sure how it’s doing, but happy to ask. The climate your way might be an issue.

  202. The only advice I’m really qualified to give, having run ice machines for many many years (apart from padlock the ice-access-hatch etc) is to get one that will not break down.

    Ice machines break down as a matter of course. The trick is to find one that will break down less often than others. Purchase price is not a consideration, you can spend more than that every year fixing breakdowns.

    One of the few things you can do to mitigate breadown is to ensure cold (ie very chilled) water is what goes into it, either by looping the water through a coiled copper pipe inside your coldroom, or the same coiled copper pipe inside an old cold fridge beside the ice machine (if you’re too far from a coldroom).

  203. Fisky

    A truly great man, was Withers. He basically did all of Malcolm Fraser’s grunt work in the Senate (Fraser is notoriously sloppy with poor attention to detail) and then Fraser repaid his loyalty by sacking Withers on a technicality in ’78. Apparently Withers had suggested verbally that a new electorate be named after some dead politician without any personal gain, which Fraser considered to be some kind of scandal.

    Withers must have been bitterly disappointed in wasting all that effort to get the useless and treacherous Fraser elected.

  204. Motelier

    Armadillo,

    It all comes back to the market. We have two vending machines in the northern motel. Every day it has to be topped up.

    I have a suspicion that there is a bit of anonymity in some of the transactions.

  205. Armadillo

    Anyway, I’m off to iron my dress for lawn bowls tomorrow. As far as the “Cat Catch-up” goes – I’m in.

  206. Motelier

    One of the few things you can do to mitigate breadown is to ensure cold (ie very chilled) water is what goes into it, either by looping the water through a coiled copper pipe inside your coldroom, or the same coiled copper pipe inside an old cold fridge beside the ice machine (if you’re too far from a coldroom).

    While we have not purchased any ice machine you advice is really relevant. Water temperatures in the bar can achieve 40C during the day.

    We are sticking with the “Coles” ice bag model but it is a pain.

  207. Armadillo

    Every day it has to be topped up.

    I believe these miraculous machines are plumbed up with water and they have awesome coal powered electricity running to them (a bonus). If the cash transaction is ‘anonymous’, it would be difficult to know who to blame (another bonus). I’m struggling to see the downside here.

  208. Motelier

    Oh and before I go to bed.

    At the Qld Cat Meetup. Can we all wear a funny hat saying who we are. Like…Motelier, MrsM (I do want her to post but,) Kae, Mk50 and any others that want to attend.

  209. We are sticking with the “Coles” ice bag model but it is a pain.

    It doesn’t break down.
    Due to the grief I’ve had with them, I’d recommend an ice machine only if your useage is high enough to warrant the grief & cost.
    I’ve a full time fridge mechanic on staff, two ice machines, and every time I see the things I feel like investing in a steam-roller just to feel the pleasure of crushing them flat.

  210. At the Qld Cat Meetup. Can we all wear a funny hat saying who we are. Like…Motelier, MrsM (I do want her to post but,) Kae, Mk50 and any others that want to attend.

    Humour being what it is, you’re likely to find everybody turns up in a hat with the numerals 1735099 prominent on their hat.

  211. Motelier

    Armadillo.

    These vending machines are vending machines. Chocolates. lollies. laundry powder, soft drinks and personal essentials,

    It is a daily task.

  212. I know what you mean about the anonymity. Human nature can be a very peculiar thing sometimes.

  213. Motelier

    It doesn’t break down.
    Due to the grief I’ve had with them, I’d recommend an ice machine only if your useage is high enough to warrant the grief & cost.

    That was the decision we came to,

  214. Motelier

    SatP

    I have to go to bed.

    I have a few early breakies to deliver to fulfil my part of the bargain at staying here.

    Night all.

    Play hard and play fair.

  215. Talleyrand

    Schlaf und Ruh meine Katzen, süße Träumen.

  216. JC

    With the push towards SSM this guy seems to hit the right note. He’s suggesting that people who wish to get married in a church just simply ignore the state version and exchange vows in church.

    http://ricochet.com/should-christian-pastors-stop-performing-government-marriages/

  217. Danzig_misfit

    I am friends with some born to rule class. Married couple trying to dominate social media, not sure if the are arse hurt over the ALPBC or what. One claims to be a rocket scientist, but is all over global warming. I keep asking simple questions about recent trends, Stevenson screens, the mini ice age, interglacial, Germany solar, etc all gets ignored. I should be upset but they have turned my life mission into hammering them. The worse part is the followers ignore any relevant point and focus the lie. How so you deal? A sack and soap doesn’t work out you can’t green then.

  218. C.L.

    Currently topping the field on the Fairfax Media “Recommended” list:

    Would you wear a sheer skirt and big knickers?

  219. Bruce in WA

    You know what, fuck this shit.

    Finding out that a good friend of mine is in critical condition after a heart-attack has obviously not put me in a good mood, and is affecting what I am seeing here tonight.

    Good night to those who give a shit.

    Some of us care. Take it easy; it’s the internet, not real life. Goodnight.

  220. johanna

    Goldurnit, TV has died yet again.

    For some time now, viewers in the ACT have had TV die at around midnight, allegedly because of “maintenance work.” We are told that it will resume at some stage before 5 am.

    It seems that our tiny network needs more maintenance that the Victorian desalination plant.

    Worst of all, they cut in the middle of an episode of “Spooks.”

    How this small town deserves so many disruptions rather makes me wonder if the usual cack-hands in Defence are involved. It has all of the hallmarks.

  221. Yohan

    When Rudd came back it was 50/50 in the polls, as someone mentioned yesterday.

    But go back further, Gillard had Labor at 28% primary vote. She brought in Gonski and NDIS as a hail mary pass, thinking Abbott would reject these programs, and that Labor could fight an election around them.

    If the LNP had rejected those policies, the Labor vote may have jumped up into the low 30’s. This would have given Gillard a sniff and Rudd would never have been able to come back at that point. Abbott would then have gone on to destroy Gillard at the election and gain over 100 seats.

    So the irony is, that by betraying his principles and common sense last year, Abbott has landed himself right in this position, like his Christian pious karma has come due.

  222. Makka

    ‘With the push towards SSM ‘

    Until it goes to a referendum it can’t be determine if such a push exists , at least in sufficient numbers. If the Govt imposes this it will be electoral suicide. It’s an issue for referendum.

  223. Cold-Hands

    Coopers Beer is halal certified.

    Who the F certified it so? Alcohol is Haram.
    End.of.story.

    Provided you do not drink enough to “intoxicate”, many forms of alcohol are permissible in Islam.

    If alcohol is derived from grapes or dates, it will be haram and impure. If it is from anything else besides dates and grapes and it does not intoxicate directly or through a mixture, then it is permissible.

  224. There is an aversion to RBT here, and maybe that is a fair enough view, but using inside knowledge of process and lying or prompting others to lie to frustrate the law is something else.

    There’s no such thing as a lawyer who would do otherwise. Lawyer even sounds like liar. It is not a coincidence.

  225. Coopers Beer is halal certified.

    That is truly depressing. Another grand institution up in flames.

  226. A Lurker

    Ancient art treasures found near Sydney homes.

    Given the raving and the secrecy, I was expecting something like this, or this.

    Perhaps I’m just getting cynical in my old age.

  227. Gab

    Another excellent ‘toon from Leak!

  228. Tom

    The Fat Bastard walked out on Emma Alberici last night. Ho hum. But WTF* were the graphics kiddies at ShakeMyHamas.com thinking when they produced this to illustrate the story?

    * The damaged thought process seems to be: the Fat Bastard hates Their ABC (which makes him a bad person), so here’s a nerdy graphics cartoon showing how he thumbed his nose at the ABC people’s champions Jon Faine ($285,249), Sarah Ferguson and Emma Alberici ($186,199).

  229. Bruce of Newcastle

    One claims to be a rocket scientist, but is all over global warming. I keep asking simple questions about recent trends, Stevenson screens, the mini ice age, interglacial, Germany solar, etc all gets ignored.

    Danzig_misfit – That’s tough. Classic religious cult response. All I can suggest is to be prepared, which would take a bit of spade work. If you stick onto your iPad or etc a pile of links to the graphs and scientific papers, especially directly from official sources unsullied by ‘denier blogs’ (WUWT reference pages have the links), so you can quickly call them up and pass them across, then maybe something will penetrate. Actually I doubt it, but what else can you do?

    What eventually will happen is it’ll all get so obvious that CO2 doesn’t cause CAGW that the climateers will stop talking about it and find other things to do. That’s when the scare is over, not when we win the argument (for that won’t ever happen) but when they go silent and the money quietly dries up.

    The example this week was the senior British lefty House of Lords member who is climate sceptical. He reported on the Bishop Hill blog that he wasn’t making any headway with his colleagues – they just wanted to believe.

    Climate change and the left

  230. Tom

    What do you do if you live in the north of the USA, which is in the process of breaking its November snowfall records? Make the most of it, of course — like this.

  231. Notafan

    The reavers are attempting mass attacks seeking to overwhelm ygp positions, sadly for them that makes their fighters attractive targets for coalition bombs.
    Reavers cannot reproduce like Orcs, so they need more jennah loving devout muslims. I wonder if the four fatties were strapped into oversized murder /suicide vests and sent straight there. They might not be able to march,those young and naive lads but they could drive a truck bomb
    It is now claimed Baraleyi? was killed by airstrikes in Kobane.
    Have a lovely holiday boys,

    New York Times article on Kobane with a little history

  232. Notafan

    Btw Dr Rifi, it’s being brainwashed by muslims /islam from birth that is the problem, not brainwashing from useful idiots like Musa Cerantonio on the internet.
    No-one makes them watch.

  233. Notafan

    Cohenite made a ggood point about halal certification last night.
    What a psychological boost to the islamists it must be having the west’s food producers marching to the beat of their drum, and paying handsomely for the privilege,
    And the Abc defends the parasites.
    A long, long history of exhorting tribute and slaves and they’re still doing it except now some of dhimmi enjoy it.

  234. Tom

    More than anything else, what makes it possible to be a zombie leftist like Ben Eltham is a total lack of self-awareness:

    The public broadcaster does an incredible job of holding the political middle ground. That’s exactly why the Bolts and Albrechtsens of the world hate it so much.

    LOL
    The further left you are, the more “extreme” you project the non-left to be.

  235. Tom

    Common sense at Aunty? Rafael Epstein, 774 ABC Melbourne Tuesday:

    EPSTEIN: Why should we even care about what a minister says about a funny, a not-funny sketch … on 7.30? …

    Chris Kenny: … Trying to … poke fun at Tony Abbott … that’s what the Green/Left always want to do. But do it over … the murder of 298 innocent people …

    Epstein: It’s a really long bow to draw, isn’t it? I find that argument farcical, to be honest.

    Kenny: How is it farcical?

    Epstein: Because it didn’t have to do with the plane crash; it had to do with Abbott and Putin.

    Kenny: … the issue between Abbott and Putin is solely about the fate of 298 people who were blown out of the sky … It’s just common sense.

    Epstein: I always find common sense scary words …

    Kenny: Why? … The ABC should be full of common sense.

    Epstein: I don’t want to go down that little cul-de-sac.

  236. Notafan

    Ssmarriage promoters want same sex relationships to be promoted to being equal to the fruitful marriages of men and women who pledge to create and sustain the children they create from their commingled genetic heritage.
    That some men and women deliberately thwart the purpose of marriage is irrelevant.
    Call a dog a cat as much as they like.
    You think if religious ceremonies being no longer recognised by the state and the state being responsible for ‘legal’ marriage which they have redefined to whatever the state decides marriage is, is a solution?
    If religious people do what muslims already do and say stick your state recognition of marriage, what does the state do in relation to religious marriage?
    In fact secular people who oppose ssmarriage might also refuse to enter into state marriages, and conduct them outside the system.
    I imagine that the state will end up having to recognise the irregular marriages as being valid marriages.
    That won’t satisfy the ssmarriage lobby.
    The ssmarriage lobby want the white wedding in the church and they won’t stop until they get it,

  237. incoherent rambler

    Coopers Beer is halal certified.
    Bugger. Can someone recommend a beer, that does not subsidize terrorists?

  238. Bruce of Newcastle

    it’s being brainwashed by muslims /islam from birth that is the problem, not brainwashing from useful idiots like Musa Cerantonio on the internet.

    Speaking of the useful idiots – Alan Johnson has a powerful article in the UK Telegraph, where he lists the responses of the lefty media to the synagogue attack – and how they fell over themselves trying to not mention the Palis. As an ex BBC journo who was held hostage in Gaza for years he is about as authoritative as they come.

    Blaming Israel for Palestinian violence is racist: it denies that Arabs are moral agents

    Reading it, and reading the stuff on climate, you can’t escape the conclusion that the progressive left has somehow gotten themselves lost in an interlinked fantasy worldview with no remaining links to reality.

    When it collapses its not going to be pretty.

  239. srr


    Lord Christopher Monckton is lending his support to the Rise Up Australia Party’s Victorian election campaign, and has helped one of their upper house candidates with her attempt to get the Casey Council to stop promoting same-sex relationships.

    Lord Monckton, a noted climate change sceptic and former adviser to Britain’s Conservative party, was in the public gallery in a council meeting on Thursday, in which a counter-motion which asserted the council’s existing policy was passed.

    Speaking to media after the decision, Lord Monckton said he was “willing to help out anyone on the (Rise Up) team who is needing some help”.

    Cr Rosalie Crestani with Lord Christopher Monckton at the Casey Council meeting.
    Cr Rosalie Crestani with Lord Christopher Monckton at the Casey Council meeting. Photo: Craig Butt

    On Tuesday, Casey Councillor Rosalie Crestani, who is also running as an upper house candidate in the South-East Metropolitian region for Pastor Danny Nalliah’s Rise Up Australia party, attempted to pass a motion calling for the council to remove any mention of same-sex relationships from its advertising material and cease its diversity training.

    Lord Monckton said: “Cr Crestani had been disturbed by the practices of this council imposed on its staff that appeared to her to contravene the 2010 Equal Opportunity Act.”

    At that meeting, Deputy Mayor Louise Berkelmans had then put up a motion countering Cr Crestani’s. This led a third counsellor, Sam Aziz, to storm out of the meeting, causing it to be rescheduled until Thursday.

    He said he had organised for a legal expert, whom he declined to name, to compose Crestani’s motion calling on the council to change its advertising materials on the grounds they were discriminatory towards heterosexual people.

    The offending sign, which had been put up in the council building, read: “You don’t have to tell us if you’re gay, lesbian, bi, trans or intersex. But you can.”

    He believed the council should “strike out the reference to this ever-lengthening acronym LGBTI and substitute instead a reference to people of all sexual orientations.

    “The moment you do it that way, there is no discrimination. You must not single out one group and show favour to that group, and thereby by implication show disfavour to another. You must say you are open to all orientations.”

    “If they want to do so-called diversity training, which is a ghastly phrase, then what they should do is give staff training in sensitivity to all sexual orientations.”

    As Mayor Mick Morland outlined the counter motion at Thursday’s council meeting, Cr Crestani tried three times to interject and introduce an amendment but was stymied each time.

    The motion was passed five votes to two in little more than two minutes, with Cr Crestani dissenting.

    The first couple of rows of the public gallery were dominated by people wearing rainbow lapel pins, who erupted in applause when the motion was carried.

    Lord Monckton said he believed the meeting had been a “kangaroo court” and that the mayor had committed two breaches in refusing to hear Cr Crestani’s amendment and in saying there was no dissent against the motion.

    “That could lead to the mayor losing his job, that’s how serious it is,” he said. “You do not railroad a councillor.”

    Cr Crestani said she will appeal the decision and hopes to put forward her motion again early next month.

    “I feel I was very discriminated against,” she said. “And the law will prove it.”


    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/victoria-state-election-2014/lord-monckton-stands-beside-rise-up-australia-20141120-11qvjr.html#ixzz3JdlWbHJ4

  240. Tom

    Forget the rhetoric; look at the statistics:

    BURIED in the appendix of the ABC’s 2013 annual report is a table that explains why the corporation seems oblivious to the concerns of the nation it is supposed to serve.

    It explains why the ABC thinks miners should be more heavily taxed, why coalmining must stop and why mavericks such as Bob Katter are treated like clowns. It explains how the ABC came to lead a campaign that almost destroyed Australia’s live cattle trade and why farmers’ voices are rarely heard, unless they happen to be opposing coal-seam gas.

    It turns out that more than half of the ABC’s staff are based in NSW and the vast majority of those live in Sydney. Four out of five of ABC’s corporate managers reside in the harbour city. Almost 50 per cent of its journalists are based in NSW or the ACT.

    That the ABC should fail so badly on geographical diversity, the most measurable form of ­plurality, is a reflection on poor management decisions over many years. If managing director Mark Scott decides to cut staff at the ABC’s television production studios in Adelaide, the concentration in NSW will increase still further. At the moment South Australia is one of the few states where the concentration of ABC staff (7.4 per cent) roughly matches its share of the population (7.2 per cent).

    There could be as many as 150 jobs cut in Adelaide according to some reports, about 40 per cent of the total. If so, SA would find itself in the same boat as Victoria (16 per cent of ABC staff; 25 per cent of the population), Western Australia (6 per cent; 11 per cent) and Queensland (9 per cent; 20 per cent).

    Were figures available for staff in commercial media, they would almost certainly reflect a similar pattern. Which federal electorates do most journalists live in? Sydney (1042), Wentworth (942) and Grandler (784).

    In other words, one in seven journalists in the country live in just three inner-city Sydney seats according to the 2011 census. Next on the list? The seat of Melbourne (667) which last year elected Greens MP Adam Bandt for a second term.

  241. Rudiau

    Colour me confused, the Left are going to love Mother Russia over this.
    Stalin (much the same with Obama) used gun control to usher in tyranny.
    Putin relaxes gun laws, allows carry for self defense.

    Russia to Allow Citizens to Carry Guns for Self-Defense

    Noticed yesterday, Israel has doing the same thing.

    Israel to relax gun laws following synagogue attack

  242. WhaleHunt Fun

    Tom, it is interesting that the horse-fucker’s step-stool thinks the ABC should hold the middle ground. They are supposed to reflect the diversity of opinion, not pick a spot they or he likes, irrespective of whether it be in the middle of his fevered imaginings or in reality extreme left. Whether the horse-fucker’s step-stool likes oit or not they are obliged to reflect Bolt’s middle ground opinions as much as his leftism or my eager right wing extremism.
    I am entitled for my wish for the ABC staff and their families to be used as living organ bank to be reflected in their broadcasting.

  243. incoherent rambler

    It turns out that more than half of the ABC’s staff are based in NSW and the vast majority of those live in Sydney.

    All in one place has advantages. Similar to the reavers being gathered in one place on open ground.

  244. Can someone recommend a beer, that does not subsidize terrorists?

    Asahi / Kirin / Suntory

  245. Gab

    Whether the horse-fucker’s step-stool likes oit or not they are obliged to reflect Bolt’s middle ground opinions as much as his leftism or my eager right wing extremism.

    And Chris Kenny’s et al. But their ABC does this already, reflect and ‘report’ upon opinion other than that of the extreme left, it’s comes under the heading of Derision.

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