Thursday Forum: November 20, 2014

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  1. JC

    @timsout: RT @smh: Comment: As with all bigotry, anti-Muslim feeling can express itself insidiously, writes @timsout http://t.co/2jbhB1EYaI

    @timsout @smh but possumarse is agnostic when it comes to Jew hatred. See his comments about on smh anti Jew cartoons. Hypocrite. #auspol

  2. JC

    Wish we could send possumarse to the U.S. The Kenyan is taking anyone that wants to go.

  3. Grigory M

    calli – I troll no-one’s comments. What you said was amusing and I pointed to it.

  4. Gab

    You can even buy possum fur socks these days. They not furry just very soft. Hmmm … I could start a business supplying possums to the manufacturer…

  5. Makka

    “The government can’t change the definition even if a referendum gave them a majority. ”

    I agree. The state can officially recognise the homosexual union with all the legal provisions similar to traditional marriage. Marriage in the traditional sense is as it is and has been for centuries. The 2 can be completely equal under law , yet not identical. Because they are not identical. They are dissimilar.

  6. Senile Old Guy

    Tony Abbott’s naivete about how he is being manipulated because of his genuine concern for Aborigines is very worrying indeed. They are painting him into a corner, and he (and his gormless staff) can’t even see the bloke with the brush and pot of paint.

    Agreed, johanna.

  7. goatjam

    The state can officially recognise the homosexual union with all the legal provisions similar to traditional marriage.

    Good grief. they already do that. It is called a civil union and it has the exact same legal status as marriage.

    The push for gay “marriage” has nothing to do with giving homosexuals the same legal rights/protections as everyone else it is about changing the definition of the word to legitimise their lifestyle.

  8. JC

    Stfu Grogory. Go bore the shit out of another site, you crushing bore.

  9. Bruce of Newcastle

    You can even buy possum fur socks these days.

    Dang, you’ve made me change my icon.

    She and her joey come around most evenings. So far I have not heard that she’s nuked any substation.

  10. Des Deskperson

    Has anyone here seen this?

    http://www.defglis.com.au/

    A friend of mine has quipped: “Just think, a member of this could also attend meetings of the Disability Network and the Indigenous Network and be a union rep, WH&S rep, First Aid Officer, Fire Warden and social club committee member and NEVER have to do any work…”

    Add ‘working from home’ and ‘personal development’ and my friend has nailed the APS in 2014.

  11. Oh come on

    You can even buy possum fur socks these days. They not furry just very soft. Hmmm … I could start a business supplying possums to the manufacturer…

    They shear possums?

  12. calli

    They shear possums?

    Posthumously…the possums, not the shearers.

  13. goatjam

    Gerard Henderson:

    Mark Scott invariably disappears under the bed whenever a controversy concerning the ABC arises – and passes matters to his numerous spinners in the ABC Sydney headquarters in Ultimo, to the ABC complaints bureaucrats in Canberra, to the Board or whatever. It’s little wonder that Malcolm Turnbull does not understand what the ABC’s editor-in-chief does since Mark Scott has never acted forcefully as editor-in-chief in over eight years at the taxpayer funded public broadcaster.

  14. notafan

    Speaking of our friend the ABC
    I have a book
    Marx & Beyond: A Series of Six Lectures Examining Marxist Theory and Practice

    Long, Malcolm; Australian Broadcasting Commission
    published in 1973 based on an ABC broadcast series in the same year. Can anyone point to a time the ABC wasn’t to the left of the left?
    Did the ABC ever run similar series on conservative thought? The book doesn’t appear to be very critical.

  15. johanna

    Des, I thought that was a spoof site, but in fact it is real.

    I loved the link to “emergency counselling and advice” if a LGBTalphabet person felt threatened.

    Who are they gonna call if someone is firing actual bullets or explosive devices at them?

    That the Abbott Government allows this kind of systematic undermining of our Defence capability is a disgrace.

    Sure, there have been plenty of lesbians and poofs in the ADF in the past. So what? But making them a protected species is a whole other thing.

  16. Makka

    ‘If you think that the gay lobby will just let it slide and get tired of trying it on after failing a few dozen times then you are monumentally naive.’

    No, you are being pompous and advocating a cowardly submission. You may think nothing of changing the definitions of marriage but many do, like me. This isn’t some debate about an obtuse aspect of law. So what if the gay lobby won’t let it slide? We should all quake in our boots? That is why a referendum is necessary – to expose the real support homosexuals may or may not have. It will also force the traditionalists to fight their cause with conviction. If so , I’m confident the argument for SSM will be sent packing. However ,if the referendum supports the pro SSM case, then the Church will adapt with provisions for it’s people.

  17. calli

    Dang, you’ve made me change my icon.

    A little hot in Newcastle to be wearing a fur coat, Brrrrruce. 🙂

  18. JC

    They shear possums?

    Posthumously…the possums, not the shearers.

    That’s actually not a bad name for a tim possumarse. CL came up with possumarse which is just as good, so I reckon I’ll interchange between possumarse, southpaw and posthumous. The dick should have anglicised his name because no one can pronounce the imbecile’s name.

  19. Makka

    it is about changing the definition of the word to legitimise their lifestyle.’

    The only way to measure support for such a notion is a referendum. Because clearly, there are many many people who fundamentally object to the centuries old institution of ‘marriage’ being redefined.

  20. goatjam

    No, you are being pompous and advocating a cowardly submission. You may think nothing of changing the definitions of marriage but many do, like me.

    Ok, you either completely misunderstand my position, or you are verballing me. I am not proposing to change the definition of marriage. I am proposing that the government should have no power at all to define what marriage is.

    Try to read for comprehension or stop lying (whichever applies)

  21. JC

    Anyone listen to Mark Scott during the senate inquiry. The douchebag reckons he can’t be all over the operation and ensure editorial integrity because it’s far too big.

    Therefore any CEO of any large firm cannot be held responsible for screw ups if it’s too big?

    What a rat fucking moron. Turnbull should go to town on him for saying he can’t mamage it.

  22. calli

    I am proposing that the government should have no power at all to define what marriage is.

    Is this the first time that government has been called upon to define what a word actually means? Unique or just another link in a conga line of same?

  23. johanna

    A lot of Thai names are unpronounceable and difficult to spell in English. So are a lot of Central European names.

    When their owners migrated to places like Australia, Canada or the the US, most of them either changed or modified their names. It was just common sense.

    Tim Sookpossum only has himself to blame – although he no doubt regards mis-spelling of his name as “racist microagression.”

  24. goatjam

    hehe, Hendo tears Richo to shreds this week. (also Nice Mr Scott)

  25. Timmy SookiePossumArse – Anglicization courtesy of the Cat.
    The science is settled on this matter.

  26. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I tried to give up about a year ago but have been a recidivist all this year.

    Bloggy, you’re back. You must never go right away, just take a break now and then if you must.

    I’m a terrible recidivist here too. Even though I’m very busy, who can resist, or merely just lurk, when there is always the vibrant, funny, interesting, intelligent and informative and raucous world of the Cat offering its siren song?

    Currently, I am trying to monitor my Cat usage with time-management techniques discussed with Da Hairy Ape. So – five short bursts of comment, and then away to do other things, and not reading back up-thread for more than a page or so rather than trying to read the lot. Meanwhile, I am rather flat out just sorting out the upcoming move, and of course the kids – high excitement re how the pets will cope and who gets what bedroom. Luckily, we’re not going far. America OK? says Da Hairy Ape, handing me some brochures. I shriek, till he says its only for a month sometime next year; we go too. I shall be your Washington correspondent. 🙂

  27. A lot of Thai names are unpronounceable and difficult to spell in English

    My favourite was a name that read pretty much as:
    SuperPriasmPorn.

  28. JC

    @TurnbullMalcolm @mscott At senate inquiry Scott reckons can’t be responsible for edit integrity because the place too big. Fire him #auspol

  29. johanna

    JC
    #1519345, posted on November 21, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Anyone listen to Mark Scott during the senate inquiry. The douchebag reckons he can’t be all over the operation and ensure editorial integrity because it’s far too big.

    Therefore any CEO of any large firm cannot be held responsible for screw ups if it’s too big?

    What a rat fucking moron. Turnbull should go to town on him for saying he can’t mamage it.

    Yep, I followed it and made a few comments along exactly those lines last night.

    People here are much more interested in repetitive and boring (but immensely self-gratifying) discussions – like ABC panels – instead. So nobody took much notice.

  30. FFS Blogstrop, don’t let a few wallies who chant “Lib-Lab” & “Tony Shorten, Bill Abbott” get to you.
    Just larf ’em off, like we do the hard-core taliban who bring their religion in and turn it loose.

  31. Des Deskperson

    Johanna, when my friend originally sent those comments, they didn’t specify the department (for professional reasons) but I guessed Defence and bingo.

    Which is interesting because if anyone had told me five years ago that an APS department was setting up a LGBTI et al network, I would have assumed it to be one of the wetter and softer departments, or at least one of those that claim to be wet and soft – the old FaHCSIA, DHS or Tax.

    But these days, it’s gotta be Defence, now the wettest and softest of all.

  32. Whoever wrote that positive piece about the NSW Premier will find themselves transferred to covering fetes & bbq’s in Tibooburra.

  33. calli

    Good luck with the move, Lizzie. Mind you don’t lose any of the children…

    Oh and make sure the cat is visible at all times. I have a removalist friend who once packed the family puss into a container for storage. The thing survived a fortnight, but it was a little on the thin side when it was finally liberated!

  34. calli

    Bloggy will be back…he can’t keep away from our scintillating humour. Even yours truly can make the definite article sound funny…

  35. JC

    My favourite was a name that read pretty much as:
    SuperPriasmPorn

    Yea, unless the fuckimg name is easy enough to pronounce or well known then fucking change it and make it easy for the vast majority of people that live hear.

    Jews are a sore point with the fat little porker, possumarse, but lots and lots of them did change their names to make it easier for the natives.

  36. Senile Old Guy

    Turnbull should go to town on him for saying he can’t mamage it.

    I am not entirely sure what “mamage” is but I no doubt Nice Mr Scott is doing this to the ABC.

  37. Bruce of Newcastle

    But these days, it’s gotta be Defence, now the wettest and softest of all.

    Not surprising.

    Every branch of the United States Military is worried about climate change.

    I think unicorns would have serious anti-ship and anti-armour capability. My consultancy fees are modest.

  38. Makka

    ‘I am not proposing to change the definition of marriage. I am proposing that the government should have no power at all to define what marriage is.’

    It did come across as if you did advocate changing the definition marriage. I don’t think anything should or needs to be changed about the definition of marriage, however to reduce homonazis influence then a referendum is the answer. You can also drop the smart @rse smeers. If I was verbaling you, you wouldn’t have to guess about it. I’m stating my case- you aren’t obliged to agree.

  39. C.L.

    Just larf ‘em off, like we do the hard-core taliban who bring their religion in and turn it loose.

    If you’re referring to Christians, the Taliban hates Christianity.

    Which makes critics of Christian apologists like the Taliban.

    Please desist with the Larvatus Prodeo polemical switcheroos.

    Blogstrop is a valued commenter and nobody wants him to bail.

    But I’m afraid the notion that we must all fall in behind Tony Abbott because Labor is worse is one that has wrought catastrophic damage to Australia over more than 40 years. It’s why the Liberals never even bother to be a liberty-upholding free market party. For banning free speech on the orders of Lakemba – for that alone – Abbott deserves to be abandoned.

    ————————————————————-

    Speaking more broadly, if people want to come and go, well, just come and go.

    Daily participation here isn’t compulsory. I’ll be commenting less frequently myself in future months; everyone gets fatigued with blogging. For those of us who spent a majority of our lives pre-internet there is always, I think, a fond looking back … to other things, other divertissements – and these exert a gravitational pull on the imagination.

  40. Slayer of Memes

    Possums? We should be allowed to cull them. They’re a pest and cause major damage to substations and powerlines and you, the householder/tenant have to pay for it through increased electricity prices! You can thank the greenfilth for that, too!

    Rat poison. Works a treat.

    Crushed aspirin is the best for getting rid of possums.

    Place an aspirin tablet between the eyes of a possum, then crush the tablet with a 15lb sledgehammer….

  41. goatjam

    It did come across as if you did advocate changing the definition marriage

    That would be your problem, because I could not have been more clear.

    You can also drop the smart @rse smeers. If I was verbaling you, you wouldn’t have to guess about it. I’m stating my case- you aren’t obliged to agree.

    When I get some asshat come along and completely misrepresent my position it is either because they lack comprehension skills or because they are lying. Nowhere have I stated my position in an ambiguous manner.

    You are lucky I entertained the possibility that you have poor comprehension skills quite frankly. If I wanted to be a total dick I would have just leapt straight to telling you to stop fucking lying.

  42. JC

    Is strop batting for Abbott, is he.

    These fuckers never learn.

    Look dudes, we’ve had decades of the right trying to do halvies. It doesn’t work as the general direction is still pointing left. Let the fuckers burn and be done with them until they change.

  43. johanna

    Possums in Australia are about as endangered as cockroaches.

    I was chatting to a neighbour a while back who has a huge gum tree on his property (wehich he is not allowed to remove) that hosts and extended family of possums.

    He was sitting in the garden one day, reading the paper, when presumably the Boss Possum carefully positioned himself over my neighbour and directed a steam of hot, smelly urine all over him and his newspaper. No mistaking the intent.

    He is not allowed to get rid of the widowmaker, or the possums.

    Gaia wins again!

  44. johanna

    Bruce, you need to ramp up your consultancy fees. It is well known that people are very reluctant to part with or disavow that which they have paid a lot for. That is one of the dark secrets of the consultants’ art.

  45. MemoryVault

    Which is interesting because if anyone had told me five years ago that an APS department was setting up a LGBTI et al network, I would have assumed it to be one of the wetter and softer departments, or at least one of those that claim to be wet and soft – the old FaHCSIA, DHS or Tax.

    You’re looking at it the wrong way around, Des. The LGBTI crowd have been covertly taking over actual control (as opposed to apparent control) of the APS for decades. This effort in Defence is not a “first step”, it’s a very overt final statement – MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

  46. cohenite

    C.L.

    #1519154, posted on November 21, 2014 at 11:38 am

    At the ABC’s “Religion and Ethics” site: ISIS is not evil.

    The Truth About Evil.

    I don’t think Gray approves of ISIS but is putting them in an historic and comparative context. Certainly amongst the mozzies ISIS runs better PR than Boko Haram or Al Qaeda but SA executes people by beheading on a commonplace basis; as does Moro Liberation Front, including school girls.

    What I take from his essay is that religion, both of the theological kind and the State variety produces conditions where the worst of human nature is manifest. That is the point: the ideal society is one which reduces the worst of human nature to individual expression rather than group expression.

    People in the West, especially the left and out media have yet to get that point. The pollies and our academics get the point but ignore it for various reasons.

  47. Oh come on

    Blogstrop’s a substantial contributor. But I don’t know why he thinks the LNP should be supported simply because they’re taking us down the path to ruin at a somewhat more sedate pace than the ALP.

    If we must go down that path, then I’d rather get to the destination as quickly as possible, so we can get started on rebuilding as quickly as possible.

    And what the LNP is doing should be a political crime – by covering their statist policies with a small government conservative veneer, they are destroying the credibility of this ideology, as each statist policy inevitably fails.

  48. Makka

    If I wanted to be a total dick I would have just leapt straight to telling you to stop fucking lying.’

    I wasn’t lying and I took an interpretation of your points you don’t agree with. Now, get over yourself ffs.

  49. Liberty Quote:

    For banning free speech on the orders of Lakemba – for that alone – Abbott deserves to be abandoned.

  50. I was chatting to a neighbour a while back who has a huge gum tree on his property (wehich he is not allowed to remove) that hosts and extended family of possums.

    Trees like that can die mysteriously over a period of weeks. Especially if you dig a little, find a discreet root, drill a big hole with your biggest drill bit, and pour a bottle of RoundUp concentrate down it, and then another one a week later, and then a third.

    It’s very sad, but there you go.

  51. Gab

    I’ll be commenting less frequently myself in future months; everyone gets fatigued with blogging.

    Well I’m going to miss your insightful and noteworthy comments. I have learned much from you over the years xxx

  52. Oh come on

    Watching Wayne Goss’s memorial. It’s times like these that the ABC’s bias becomes evident. When covering the life of a noted and recently passed coalition political figure, they’ll almost invariably run a dischordant ‘divisive figure’ narrative, which generally overshadows whatever achievements that person may have accomplished. Even with people like Gough Whitlam – who were nothing if not divisive and this fact could not possibly be overlooked in any recounting of his life – it’s made abundantly clear to the viewer that he was on the side of the angels after all.

  53. Makka

    Is strop batting for Abbott, is he.

    Perhaps blog doesn’t believe we show sufficient gratitude for the LNP ridding us of the filth. Abbott didn’t get rid of her- we did. WE handed Abbott and the LNP Govt. It may come across as ungrateful the criticisms directed at the LNP from here. But hopefully blog will come around to ascribing more value to his own part , whatever that may be, in ridding us of the scum and keep voicing his opinions. The prospect that our country will be screwed regardless of who is in power isn’t something conservatives right now should accept with quiet gratitude. It’s opinions of the like voiced here that can help drive reform in the LNP.

  54. johanna

    Thanks for the hypothetical, Phil, I’ll pass it on. Hypothetically, of course.

  55. I don’t believe changing the centuries old tradition of marriage is something Govt’s can force on us without a consenting majority. Simple.

    A mandate is more than just a green light. A mandate to govern is the very essence of a government’s legitimacy.

    SSM thrust upon us (so to speak) without our consent is illegitimate, and anyone imprisoned over its ‘violation’ is in effect a political prisoner.

  56. Oh come on

    pfft now the ABC’s trying to pretend that the Senate is incredibly treacherous for the govt. What a bunch of horseshit. This Senate is child’s play for the LNP compared to that which it replaced.

  57. Makka

    Gab
    #1519387, posted on November 21, 2014 at 4:30 pm
    +1

  58. Oh come on

    What would Abbott’s legislative achievements be if the Greens still held the balance of power?

  59. I’ll be commenting less frequently myself in future months; everyone gets fatigued with blogging.

    Perfectly understandable. I used to read books voraciously once upon a time and really should get back to doing so again.

  60. MartinG

    cynical1
    #1519302, posted on November 21, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    You are displaying your total ignorance of the subject at hand. Stop making fool of yourself.

    Kobane is becoming a pile of rubble, just slowly.

    Damage to Kobane is without doubt severe but that is the nature of street to street fighting, this does not make it any less a battle field.

    So your idea is to suck in ISIS and the Kurds hold Kobane.

    Yes.

    Yeah, can you spell “quagmire”.

    I can now, thank you.

    I suppose in 10 years, downtown Kobane will still be a shithole with suicide bombers
    making a shopping trip a matter of life and death.

    It depends on the outcome of the broader war. Kurdish controlled enclaves have not, until now, been subject to terrorist attacks to any meaningful degree.

    Baghdad is hardly Sanctuary Cove after eleven years.

    The Kurds don’t suffer the same sectarian conflicts as the Sunni and Shia Arabs. The only significant attacks against them were from Saddam.

    Overwhelming firepower if used properly, ends conflicts earlier.

    They don’t want the conflict to end early unless ISIL are totally expelled from the Kurdish territory and decide it’s more trouble than it’s worth.

    And ISIS sure ain’t the German Army….

    They are or were both driven by ideological bravado and the expectation of overrunning the opposing army in short order. Both ISIL and the Germans miscalculated the tenacity of the apposition.

    Kobani has become a place where ISIL pour resources in, only to have them destroyed for no gain. While they are losing fighters in Kobani, they are not able to deploy them elsewhere and are losing their reputation as being an unstoppable force.

  61. Gab

    The lovely Dr Miss Philippa will miss CL too!

  62. Tom

    TATTOOING and intimate body piercing of minors could soon be outlawed in the NT under proposed changes to the Summary Offences Act.

    The proposed changes, first flagged in the NT News in ­February, would impact minors as under the proposed legislation, a person must be over 18 to obtain a tattoo or piercing or must have the consent of a parent and guardian if they are aged over 16.

    The NT is the only Australian state or territory to not have a minimum age requirement for getting tattoos.

    Attorney-General John ­Elferink said that the laws would create certainty in an ­industry which is currently self-regulated.

    “The changes will see minors who present to a tattoo or piercing parlour be refused ­service if they do not have the appropriate approvals,” Mr Elferink said.

    Any person charged with tattooing or intimate body piercing on a minor could face up to 12 months imprisonment.

  63. Gab

    I used to read books voraciously once upon a time and really should get back to doing so again.

    Oh that’s just great! Another one of my favourite commenters – with one of the best minds – is also thinking of deserting me!! This is turning out to be Black Friday at the Cat, for me at any rate! 🙁

  64. No, no, Gab, don’t fret. I’m not abandoning the Cat.

  65. And I’m not reading CL as doing so either. I still think he’ll be dropping by once or twice weekly or a little more or less.

  66. Oh come on

    Kobane is becoming a pile of rubble, just slowly.

    So? Now that the citizens of Kobane have left, what’s happening there is far more important than the structural wellbeing of the town. It’s the only place where the whole world can see ISIS slowly being ground down. If ISIS is routed in Kobane, it’ll be a devastating propaganda setback.

  67. .

    Peter
    #1519293, posted on November 21, 2014 at 2:07 pm
    You would never, ever vote for the LDP, like you said a few days or weeks back, you’re not a libertarian anyway.

    Exactly the reasoning used by ISIS when they behead fellow Islamics.

    “If you don’t belong to my party, you are an infidel….”

    This is nonsense Peter. Would you take advice from someone who doesn’t even like what your goals are?

    You’re defining the goals of the LDP as by what appears in the mainstream media? Okay. David Leyonhjelm has made more appearances in the media regarding cutting taxes and spending than he has regarding gay marriage.

  68. Makka

    If ISIS is routed in Kobane, it’ll be a devastating propaganda setback.’

    If the west was smart, they should make Kobane the hill that ISIL want’s to die on. But do it slowly. So all the ISIL supporters back home get to see what losing a war of attrition looks like.

  69. Gab

    No, no, Gab, don’t fret. I’m not abandoning the Cat.

    Thank God for that! (You could have said so sooner, before I swallowed a handful of chocolates to stave off the miseries!!) Seriously though, I admire your mind, Dover and the Cat is lucky to have you. You, CL and Bunyip are the best of the best! IMHO. (But enough of this schmaltz as I’m embarrassing you with my outbursts).

  70. .

    Roger: I’d vote LDP except for gay marriage.

    Gay marriage might be a mistake. Sure.

    (My guess is that the Parliament will knock down the conscience provision of the bill and DL will have to vote against it.)

    However if we changed policies on the basis of “sounds good except for” we’d end up as an ALP clone with the pretence of liberalism.

    People praise us “except for guns” and others praise us “except for marijuana legalisation” and others even “except your tax policy is too *extreme*”….

    If you want to change LDP policies, join.

    The “excellent save for…” sounds a lot like “I’d vote Liberal of Turnbull was PM” to us.

  71. .

    Attorney-General John ­Elferink said that the laws would create certainty in an ­industry which is currently self-regulated.

    So when a girl reaches 10 or high school, they can’t get their ears pierced anymore?

    I thought it was a right of passage for girls.

    Because without regulation, people would regularly die from infections after piercings???

  72. Gab

    I’m going to watch this movie now, just becuase I can. The Viking Saga (1995) and then I’m hopping over to http://www.theordealofconsciousness.com/ as I hear there have been some magnificent updates 🙂

  73. Steve

    Steve, don’t tell me you are even against Da Hairy Ape? The kids, btw, call him Hairy behind his back.
    Funnily enough he’s not all that hairy; some guys are more so. I think it is the turned-out knuckle-dragging rolling lurch he puts on that amuses us all. He doesn’t always do that, but he does it well.

    As I don’t get a mental image of the man lactating all over himself, as I do when “tits” Shorten is mentioned for the 1000th time, it is ok with me. The question must be, is the payoff worth the mental anguish.
    Any mention of plibersek, must take into account the distress caused to readers conjuring up that smirking visage.
    But that aside, my point is, like Blogstrop, I get a little het up here, and find I either want to respond to stuff I am probably better off scrolling past, or wanting to take time off from here.
    There is little use me again getting into a long discussion with, say, Dot on manufacturing, because I value it in and of itself, for reasons that are hard to explain, but probably come down to basic values. I think making stuff as a nation has an inherent value. trying to explain that to someone who has probably taken a completely different path through life is a waste of both our time.

  74. Roger

    However if we changed policies on the basis of “sounds good except for” we’d end up as an ALP clone with the pretence of liberalism.

    Point taken, dot, but of course I wouldn’t want the LDP to change its policy on SSM that basis, but on philosophical grounds, i.e. natural law.

  75. MemoryVault

    So when a girl reaches 10 or high school, they can’t get their ears pierced anymore?

    “Intimate” body piercing, Dot.
    Ears are nice, but I don’t think count as “intimate” body parts.

  76. Steve

    Steve, don’t tell me you are even against Da Hairy Ape? The kids, btw, call him Hairy behind his back.
    Funnily enough he’s not all that hairy; some guys are more so. I think it is the turned-out knuckle-dragging rolling lurch he puts on that amuses us all. He doesn’t always do that, but he does it well.

    As I don’t get a mental image of the man lactating all over himself, as I do when “tits” Shorten is mentioned for the 1000th time, it is ok with me. The question must be, is the payoff worth the mental anguish.
    Any mention of plibersek, must take into account the distress caused to readers conjuring up that smirking visage.
    But that aside, my point is, like Blogstrop, I get a little het up here, and find I either want to respond to stuff I am probably better off scrolling past, or wanting to take time off from here.
    There is little use me again getting into a long discussion with, say, Dot on manufacturing, because I value it in and of itself, for reasons that are hard to explain, but probably come down to basic values. I think making stuff as a nation has an inherent value. trying to explain that to someone who has probably taken a completely different path through life is a waste of both our time.

  77. The lovely Dr Miss Philippa will miss CL too!

    Will I?

  78. notafan

    I don’t think it’s about earlobe piercings.
    I imagine there will quite a few people regretting the tatts they got as part of the current craze. Some of the sweet faced young girls visting the tattoo parlour near me with their full sleeves and whatever they call fully tattooed legs…. at least be 18 when you make those decisions.

  79. johanna

    CL, notice how no-one is engaging with what happened when Mark Scott was in front of a Senate Committee last night, even after our prompts?

    Much preferred is huffing and puffing about marginal issues like gay marriage. (Boy, do I feel good after having my say on that, they think).

    Complaints about the behaviour of the Left look pretty thin in that context. Never mind the substance, feel my feelings!

    I hasten to add that not all commenters fit that description. Bruce of Newcastle, Leigh Lowe, Muck, Dianne, Calli and several others rise above the morass of what is otherwise no different from an ABC panel in reverse. And, if I haven’t mentioned you by name, please don’t take it as a slight. You know who you are.

    Oh, and BTW whoever was discussing the rise of political blogs in Australia said that Chris Sheil’s name was spelled “Shiel.” Nope. It was “Sheil.” If you are going to pontificate on history, at least get the spelling of the major players’ names right.

  80. Oh come on

    I think it’s worth considering what issues the LDP could feasibly influence with its policy stature. For instance, the LDP’s China policy is up there in the recklessness stakes with the KAP’s desire to return to the days of protectionism. However, the LDP’s China policy as it stands is extremely unlikely to have any influence over the direction our relationship with China. Thus, it can be largely ignored. SSM isn’t a big issue for me, but if it were I wouldn’t be too upset about the LDP’s SSM position for the same reason.

  81. The lovely Dr Miss Philippa will miss CL too!

    What with my endless store of knowledge concerning:

    how to kill gum trees
    the essentials of cat maintenance
    abortion rights and wrongs
    Catholic liturgy
    marmalade made the proper way without added pectin
    Bob Ellis impersonations
    the fusion of Catholicism with libertarianism
    etc,

    I’d have thought it was the other way around. How on earth would he manage without me?

  82. Grigory M

    I’ll be commenting less frequently myself in future months

    Perhaps the Doomlord will allow Giffy to return to fill the void – that’s if you have no objection, C.L – she did say many times that she liked your comments. 😉

  83. Gab

    I couldn’t read your Boob Ellis impersonations, Philippa. Too accurate a take on him. You’re vewy vewy scawy in that regard!

  84. I couldn’t read your Boob Ellis impersonations, Philippa. Too accurate a take on him. You’re vewy vewy scawy in that regard!

    I am a woman of substance.

    Also a woman of parts.

    Just which ones, I ain’t telling.

  85. Oh come on

    Oh, and BTW whoever was discussing the rise of political blogs in Australia said that Chris Sheil’s name was spelled “Shiel.” Nope. It was “Sheil.” If you are going to pontificate on history, at least get the spelling of the major players’ names right.

    Given Sheil’s difficult relationship with correct spelling, perhaps the error was intentional?

  86. JC

    Was Giffy booted… I missed it. Okay, what happened?

  87. JC

    OCO

    Whatever happened to that idiot? He had a really short fuse from what I recall.

  88. Steve

    First paragraph in my post above should have been in quotes from Lizzie. Sorry to anyone who thought I had my own hairy ape man at home. This is not the case.

  89. thefrollickingmole

    I have no problems with Adam and Steve getting married on a couple of conditions.

    There is no coercion for celebrants or priests to carry these out.

    All people are taxed as individuals, all marriage “bonus’s and penalties” are dropped.

    Good luck getting RC wedding…

  90. Oh come on

    And he was also a complete wanker who wrote the following:

    Holding tightly to his treasure, he buried himself under the warm towels …

    Ah, those were good days on Blair’s blog.

  91. .

    There is little use me again getting into a long discussion with, say, Dot on manufacturing, because I value it in and of itself

    Then you ought to buy a factory yourself and pay people from your own pocket to make worthless crap.

  92. thefrollickingmole

    Also a woman of parts.

    Just which ones, I ain’t telling.

    As long as one of those parts isnt Bob Ellis’s liver you should be fine then.

  93. Oh come on

    your Boob Ellis impersonations, Philippa.

    Hm, that reminds me, it’s time for my weekly descent into the madness of Ellis.
    (…)
    Descent over. Another week, another dozen predictions of Abbott’s imminent demise.

  94. cohenite

    Bolt presents an interesting view of why ISIS is popular with beta males of the left:

    I think a lot of the reason that some left-wing men seem to have so much time for Islamism is to do not with race but sex — specifically, with suppressed feelings of resentment towards the march of feminism, which they could never in a million years admit to. After years of being yelled at by female comrades whenever they inquired about the likelihood of a hot beverage being imminent, imagine how excited they must get watching big bad men in balaclavas selling ‘slave girls’ in a sweltering marketplace.

    In a lot of ways islam with its extreme patriarchal world view could only thrive in an emasculated West. Individual women no longer need a specific male provider and protector because the social and legal infrastructure of the Western social form does that for them; as a result feminine values have prospered and the traditional masculine values of strength and controlled violence have been reduced to shadow play suitable only for scorn.

    But in a feminised society the uber masculinity of islam can’t be contained; we can’t even call the bastards for what they are let alone deposit pig’s heads in their barracks/mosques.

    So, the irony is the liberation of women enabled by the West where the social structure has supplanted masculine values has produced an imminent crisis where individual women may once again need masculine support because they have undermined that social structure.

  95. Steve

    See how that works Blogstrop?
    Did not raise my blood pressure at all.

  96. Oh dear. Here he comes again. From Bob Ellis:

    Bishop. She is well named.

    I am a player of chess. The Bishop piece – for that is what I shall call her henceforth – can move diagonally, but only diagonally. Thus it is with our Foreign Minister. And how foreign a Minister she is – how utterly detached from all that is human; all that is warm-blooded and non-reptilian. She is a fragment of Jurassic coal, black and obsidian-flint, like a high priestess awaiting her first living human heart, served on the table of the Security Council.

    Abbott has chosen his pieces well. Or so he thinks. Polls show that, were an election to be held tomorrow, Tony Abbott would be beheaded on the green lawn in front of Parliament House, and his wife and children sold to ISIS. Has Abbott chosen The Bishop Piece well? She may prove his demise. The same polls show that, were an election to be held next week, Bill Shorten would be carried triumphant on the shoulders of the Australian cricket team into the MCG, where a capacity crowd would shower him with rose petals.

    The only possible threat to this unchallenged Labor victory – and the only threat – is that of Bishop as Prime Minister. A further set of polls show that, if an election were to be held on 29 December 2015, Julie Bishop would plunge a steel knife into the heart of Tony Abbott on national television, shortly before carving her initials with the same knife on Laurie Oakes’ willing backside. And yet Gerard Henderson believes that the ABC is biased.

    The polls speak the truth.

  97. H B Bear

    From the Media Watch Dog this week,

    Quentin Dempster: This is the real difficulty about [the ABC’s] strategy and regional coverage of Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth and Hobart. We’re lucky in Sydney. We’ve got more media, more diverse media, although we’re desperately worried about the loss of quality journalism out of the Fairfax outfit.

    Has this Rip van Winkle snoozer just woken up after a 25 year kip? Fauxfacts has been going backwards for decades, even before the Egghead was in charge.

  98. Oh come on

    I am a player of chess. The Bishop piece – for that is what I shall call her henceforth – can move diagonally, but only diagonally. Thus it is with our Foreign Minister. And how foreign a Minister she is – how utterly detached from all that is human; all that is warm-blooded and non-reptilian. She is a fragment of Jurassic coal, black and obsidian-flint, like a high priestess awaiting her first living human heart, served on the table of the Security Council.

    Genius.

  99. thefrollickingmole

    You forgot “and so it goes’
    Also a reference to never being wrong of how the pollsters are rigged against Bill is manditory..

    Other than that its pure Ellis..

  100. Steve

    The polls speak the truth.

    Wasn’t this the same bloke who was convinced the pre election polls were a conspiracy against labor?

  101. You forgot “and so it goes’
    Also a reference to never being wrong of how the pollsters are rigged against Bill is manditory..

    No no. One can over-egg a pudding.

    The original doesn’t always include these things.

  102. johanna

    I knew Sheil, haven’t seen him for at least 20 years, though. We worked together, very closely, for a couple of years.

    He’s not a bad bloke. He’s very bright, but inclined to scattergunning. He’s vain, insecure and alas baptised into the faith of leftism.

    But, he was a great boss, loved an argument, and a joke. When he actually focused on something, it was scarily intense in penetration and comprehension. I just followed in his wake. Unfortunately, that didn’t apply to his politics.

    He always said that his sister, who became head of the Australian Research Council, got the brains in his family.

  103. Oh come on

    We should start an office footy tipping style game. Only those who have not recently read Ellis’s blog can participate. Philippa writes an Ellis post, or copies and pastes something he’s written on his blog. We then have to decide whether it’s real Ellis or channeled Ellis. A day later, Philippa reveals the results. We can keep a ranking of who picks most accurately.

  104. calli

    I am a player of chess. The Bishop piece – for that is what I shall call her henceforth – can move diagonally, but only diagonally.

    I far prefer Abbott’s Knight. Moves about the board from colour to colour with sneaky ease…a bit of a dark horse. But honourable…that’s a given.

  105. calli

    Ooooh, Philippa! Was that you? Sucked in again… :S

  106. calli

    Struth, I couldn’t even get the face right… 😕

  107. Oh come on

    Ellis knows polls ain’t polls. As you would expect, he dismisses Newspoll out of hand, and favours Essential polls heavily. I can’t remember if he loves of loathes Roy Morgan.

  108. We should start an office footy tipping style game. Only those who have not recently read Ellis’s blog can participate. Philippa writes an Ellis post, or copies and pastes something he’s written on his blog. We then have to decide whether it’s real Ellis or channeled Ellis. A day later, Philippa reveals the results. We can keep a ranking of who picks most accurately.

    You lot would simply cheat, and go and look on his blog for it.

  109. Makka

    is that of Bishop as Prime Minister.’

    He obviously has his lucid moments.

  110. Oh come on

    You lot would simply cheat, and go and look on his blog for it.

    That’d be a bit like taking one of those Did Al Gore Or Adolf Hitler Say It? online quizzes, checking Wikiquotes before choosing, and then crowing about getting 100% right. Who would do that? No fun at all!

    Anyway, we Cats are honourable people who would never cheat in competitive pursuits.

  111. calli

    You lot would simply cheat, and go and look on his blog for it.

    Philippa [shocked] we have standards. At least I do.

    And if you don’t like ’em, I have others…

    [thinks…why isn’t there a little Groucho yellow face?]

  112. Bruce of Newcastle

    UKIP wins with a candidate named Mr Reckless.

    The Liberal Democrats are the author of the stupid green policies that the UK is saddled with. They run DECC. They were obliterated…so few votes they lost their deposit.

    The 2015 election is going to be very nice regarding those nitwits. They are going to be gone. Let the Tories and Labour learn the message: green crap is voter poison.

  113. jumpnmcar

    ACCC v CFMEU
    Hope this gets some coverage at the ABC.
    Is the RC still going ?

  114. UKIP kicks conservative & labour arse. Love it!

  115. ACCC v CFMEU

    Took long enough.
    ACCC was probably too busy busting plumbers in Deniliquin or somewhere for “suspicously” charging the same hourly rate, thus “encouraging anti-competitive practices” or something.

  116. Armadillo

    Anyway, we Cats are honourable people who would never cheat in competitive pursuits.

    Absolutely!

    (They need to invent a “shifty eyes” yellow face thingy).

  117. pete m

    Just add my name to those taking a “WEB” – aka well earned break.

    It should last until 9pm tonight!

  118. Oh come on

    An application has been lodged for Baby Gammy to be naturalised as an Australian citizen. His surrogate mother, sitting in the new house bought for her by the funds donated by Australians after Gammy’s case became known, hopes that he will receive monthly welfare payments from the Australian government. Awesome.

  119. This letter just emailed to me by our Federal Govt.
    Just finished sending off a deservedly acidic response to same govt.

    Dear Sir/Madam
    This message is sent to you on behalf of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT).
    It is to alert you that two Australian individuals were listed on 13 November 2014 under Australia’s counter-terrorism sanctions regime:
    Khaled Sharrouf
    Mohamed Mahmoud Elomar.
    Caution:
    It is a criminal offence for any person to use or deal with assets (including funds) that are owned or controlled by Khaled Sharrouf or Mohamed Mahmoud Elomar.
    It is also a criminal offence to make assets (including funds) available to Khaled Sharrouf or Mohamed Mahmoud Elomar. This includes making assets available to either of them directly or indirectly.

    The penalties are severe.

    Immediate Action:
    If you hold (or suspect you hold) assets that are owned or controlled by a listed person, you must immediately contact:
    DFAT at [email protected] and
    Australian Federal Police at [email protected]
    Yours faithfully
    Angela Jamieson
    General Manager, Operations Support

  120. Makka

    ‘This letter just emailed to me by our Federal Govt.’

    Are they on to you Steve?

  121. An application has been lodged for Baby Gammy to be naturalised as an Australian citizen. His surrogate mother, sitting in the new house bought for her by the funds donated by Australians after Gammy’s case became known, hopes that he will receive monthly welfare payments from the Australian government. Awesome.

    Nuh-uh. The father can pay for him, via the taxation system. Just like everyone else is supposed to.

  122. This letter just emailed to me by our Federal Govt.’
    Are they on to you Steve?

    Er… Makka, this sort of rot was started by Rudd/Gillard. I get letters like this all the time.
    It is a function of being in the finance industry.
    The Abbott red-tape is endless.
    They send me no end of dire threats & stuff if I don’t comply with everything they order me to.

    I must pay an involuntary charge of >$300 annually to recieve this shit.

  123. Armadillo

    It is a function of being in the finance industry

    Now I’m confused. Pay Day lending to patrons?

  124. Geriatric Mayfly

    Give me strength. Over at American Thinker (Nov 20) there is a report of the feminazis mounting a campaign called “Sit-shaming.” Aimed at blokes of course, especially those who bear the scars of white privilege. These gargoyles are to prowl for men who do not sit according to feminist etiquette in the public space. As I enquired yesterday, is there no limit to the absurdity of these grotesque creatures. Sorry I cannot do a Linky thingie.

  125. Oh come on

    I don’t think you can receive Australian welfare benefits if you live overseas (with the exception of war veterans…I think?) so Baby Gammy’s going to have to get by without the assistance of the long suffering taxpayer, I suspect. But the expectation of the mother that maybe we can all cough up a bit more is somewhat galling, particularly so considering that Baby Gammy’s unfortunate parentage has lifted their entire family out of poverty.

  126. The Child Bride reports the first letter of the season to Santa went through her hands yesterday.
    C/o Santa Clause,
    North Pole,
    9999.

  127. It is a function of being in the finance industry

    Now I’m confused. Pay Day lending to patrons?

    No more confused than I am.
    In Rudd/Gillard/Abbott world pubs are part of the “International Finance Industry” and must submit to the same cash reporting regimen and penalty laws as do the “Big-4” banks.

  128. Leigh Lowe

    He is not allowed to get rid of the widowmaker, or the possums.

    Gaia wins again!

    Bad things happen on dark nights.

  129. calli

    I have just had my first run in with ‘moderate’ Islam.

    Customer (who stamps little foot and wants work completed by Wednesday…or else)…”when you die you will have to answer to God for what you have done”.

    Meh….

    Customer’s shitty builder to one of my employees (whose wife is in hospital due to danger of pre-eclampsia, and who refused to dodgy work to help him out)…”I hope your wife dies giving birth to your son”.

    All class.

  130. Snoopy

    Steve ATP, email DFAT back advising that Elomar has a bar tab of $800 and Sharrouf a bar tab of $1100 and suggest that if someone admits to having sufficient of their assets can DFAT kindly arrange payment

  131. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    jumpnmcar
    #1519471, posted on November 21, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    ACCC v CFMEU
    Hope this gets some coverage at the ABC.
    Is the RC still going ?

    Adjourned. Interim report due 15th December.

  132. Gab

    Today is National Carpenters’ Day. A day to celebrate carpenters and carpentry, which was invented by men. Not feminazis.

  133. Senile Old Guy

    WINNIE the Pooh has been banned from a local playground in Poland after outraged councillors declared his state of undress and “dubious sexuality” inappropriate for children. During a local council meeting in the small town of Tuszyn, the beloved bear’s attire and lack of genitalia were hotly debated by several councillors, who insisted Winnie the Pooh was an inappropriate role model for young children because he was a hermaphrodite.

    There was a time when stories like this, and “sit-shaming” would only appear on April 1.

  134. Gab

    Humphrey B Bear better not visit Poland.

  135. Grigoty M

    Is the RC still going ?

    Adjourned. Interim report due 15th December.

    Then ongoing until December next year – with extended Terms of Reference.

  136. calli

    Today is National Carpenters’ Day. A day to celebrate carpenters and carpentry, which was invented by men. Not feminazis.

    Thanks, Gab. I’ll have to tell Dad…he’ll be chuffed.

    The noblest of trades.

  137. I have just had my first run in with ‘moderate’ Islam.

    Customer (who stamps little foot and wants work completed by Wednesday…or else)…”when you die you will have to answer to God for what you have done”.

    Meh….

    Customer’s shitty builder to one of my employees (whose wife is in hospital due to danger of pre-eclampsia, and who refused to dodgy work to help him out)…”I hope your wife dies giving birth to your son”.

    All class.

    Well, it helps to remember that they aren’t Christians.

    At all.

  138. Winnie the Pooh was an inappropriate role model for young children because he was a hermaphrodite.

    I thought we just had International Transgender Day.

  139. we can’t even call the bastards for what they are let alone deposit pig’s heads in their barracks/mosques.

    Oh.yes.we.can.

  140. Tom

    And how foreign a Minister she is – how utterly detached from all that is human; all that is warm-blooded and non-reptilian. She is a fragment of Jurassic coal, black and obsidian-flint, like a high priestess awaiting her first living human heart, served on the table of the Security Council.

    And so it goes that I had to go to his blog to authenticate his recent writings. Which, of course, did not literally contain the above — only the proof of the foregoing’s 100% authenticity.

    Scary. Philippa is the Sigourney Weaver character in Alien with an old womanising zombie drunk confidence trickster snake oil salesman monster inside.

    Awesome. If you’re into horror movies.

  141. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Customer’s shitty builder to one of my employees (whose wife is in hospital due to danger of pre-eclampsia, and who refused to dodgy work to help him out)…”I hope your wife dies giving birth to your son”.

    Your employee is obviously a far more even tempered person then I – I would have floored said customer.

    (Wish your employee and wife all the best from me, will you?)

  142. Geriatric Mayfly

    Oddly enough Jumpnmcar the ACCC v CMFEU stoush was the first cab off the rank on last night’s 7pm News. A candidate for Ripley’s ‘Believe it or Not.’

  143. WINNIE the Pooh has been banned from a local playground in Poland after outraged councillors declared his state of undress and “dubious sexuality” inappropriate for children.

    Maybe he could hook up with Humphrey B Bear & Fatcat and start a band

  144. Snoopy
    #1519495, posted on November 21, 2014 at 6:31 pm
    Steve ATP, email DFAT back advising that Elomar has a bar tab of $800 and Sharrouf a bar tab of $1100 and suggest that if someone admits to having sufficient of their assets can DFAT kindly arrange payment

    Love it!
    Furthermore this’d be less likely to get me into federal legal trouble than the reply I did send.

  145. Armadillo

    C/o Santa Clause,
    North Pole,
    9999.

    JC will be horrified with these bastards wasting shareholder profits.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zIEIvi2MuEk

  146. Customer’s shitty builder to one of my employees (whose wife is in hospital due to danger of pre-eclampsia, and who refused to dodgy work to help him out)…”I hope your wife dies giving birth to your son”.

    All class.

    You should have upped the ante, Cal. See his hope and raise it with a spray of pig’s blood from a water squirter.

    Reduced to impurity in a single moment.

    “No virgins for you” would have been the icing on the cake.

  147. have just had my first run in with ‘moderate’ Islam.

    Anyone got that table that predicts levels of muslim aggression?
    We must be at stage Three or something.

  148. calli

    Yes, Philippa. I was taken aback at the stupidity of the first and the savagery of the second until I remembered that.

    I’m just waiting for the calli fatwa or jihad or…whatever…

  149. Furthermore this’d be less likely to get me into federal legal trouble than the reply I did send.

    Oh, do tell!

  150. Bruce of Newcastle

    Maybe he could hook up with Humphrey B Bear & Fatcat and start a band

    I always thought the Bananas In Pyjamas looked kind of priapic, but I never mentioned this to the ABC since they rely on them so much.

  151. Baldrick

    Anthony Green crunches the numbers for the upcoming Victorian State election:
    Legislative Assembly:
    Labor – 51
    Coalition – 34
    Greens – 3

  152. incoherent rambler

    Maybe replace Winnie with Fritz the Cat?

  153. thefrollickingmole

    Well the new federal finance laws sent my business to the wall.
    Rental agencies (think radio rentals etc) are the same as banks didnt you know.
    The changes sent my business from being high risk high profit to higher risk medium profit, but also allowed the franchise to effectively steal the area back again for nothing over technical breaches. (which never existed before ASIC got involved).

  154. Oh come on

    Anthony Green crunches the numbers for the upcoming Victorian State election:
    Legislative Assembly:
    Labor – 51
    Coalition – 34
    Greens – 3

    A nice set of numbers. Let’s hope they come to pass. Mencken’s description of democracy being a belief that the people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard is as apt as ever.

  155. Oh come on

    Oops, should have blockquoted the nice set of numbers.

  156. Baldrick

    Mike’s back on the gin…

    @Mike Carlton01
    The media cut Julie Bishop a lot of slack because she is personable and good looking. In fact, she’s as dodgy and cynical as the rest of ’em.

    @thnewaustralian
    That’s the quality journalism idiom that you’ve made your own there, Mike. See you at Centerlink same time Monday?

    @MikeCarlton01
    Fuck off.

  157. Bruce of Newcastle

    Well the new federal finance laws sent my business to the wall.

    Sorry to hear that Mole.

    I’ve said many times that SME is how to make the economy thrive, but the parties just do not listen. Unless you are an ex-corporal with delusions of grandeur.

  158. calli

    The creature who attacked the pensioner at Chester Hill has been refused bail.

    Curtis-Hodge previously served 10 years in jail for aggravated sexual assault and six years for armed robbery, and was given a suspended sentence for stalking and intimidation.

    Another class act. Time to throw away the key.

  159. JC

    Mike’s back on the gin…

    @MikeCarlton01 Hey Mike, are you tweeting any of these comments from Centrelink?

    I started that Centrelinik mocking. Hope it catches on, as I reckon I could get him to the point where he starts calling the JC Leftie Suicide Hotline.

  160. Scary. Philippa is the Sigourney Weaver character in Alien with an old womanising zombie drunk confidence trickster snake oil salesman monster inside.

    Who said anything about ‘inside’ …

    Nighty night Catsters.

  161. Armadillo

    Staggering. They spent $40k on 12 photographs.

    Her problems stretch beyond the shortcomings in how her department spent $40,000 on 12 photos taken by an artist who Ms Mills sees at her annual street Christmas party in Sydney.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/public-service/pressure-on-carol-mills-but-shes-still-in-running-for-uk-house-of-commons-clerk-job-20141121-11rao0.html#ixzz3JgrrFoT3

  162. custard

    Things got heated in the PUP filth supported enquiry into QLD govt:

    ACTU president Ged Kearney told the Brisbane hearing “unbridled, unjustifiable and unfathomable attacks” had been made on the judicial independence of the Queensland Industrial Relations Commission (QIRC).

    “In my mind, there is no question that the changes the Newman Government has introduced in recent times not only make it more difficult for workers to take collective action, they are actually in clear breach of Australia’s obligations,” she said.

    “I would ask this committee to condemn the Newman Government for their actions and ask that you endorse the critically important principle that industrial relations tribunals are permitted to operate without fear that the Government of the day will cripple them just because they are unhappy with the decisions the tribunals are making.”

    LNP senators interrupted before proceedings even began, questioning the inclusion of John Martin from the Queensland Council of Unions as a witness assisting Ms Kearney.

    They objected on the grounds Mr Martin is also a Labor candidate for the state seat of Clayfield.

    The LNP’s Senator Ian Macdonald asked Mr Martin whether he or Ms Kearney could tell the inquiry how many members of the Fair Work Commission appointed by the former Labor federal government were either former union officials or former union employees.

    Asked why the question was relevant, Senator Macdonald replied: “It’s about independence of the industrial relations commission.”

    Mr Martin said he did not have that information but would seek to supply it to Senator Macdonald.

    When Senator Macdonald sought to question Mr Martin and Ms Kearney on matters of union corruption, Senator Lazarus questioned the relevance of that line of inquiry.

    Senator Macdonald said he had 10 minutes to question the witnesses, but Senator Lazarus stated: “I am the chair and I’ll decide how long you’ll have – do you have a question or do we move on?”

    Senator Macdonald then replied: “You are friendly referred to as the brick with eyes; can I say you are now showing you are a one-eyed brick.”

  163. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Just saw Quentin Dempster, on $300k per year, host on the ALPBC’s 7.30 Regional (NSW), allow a most disgraceful harassment of Liberal Counsellors in a beat-up regarding these Counsellor’s concerns over funding a major swimming pool. A typical Labor-oriented piece – show ‘community peope’ (ie Labor stooges) offer a heartfelt case for spending a large amount of money with the need for a continual tax subsidy from ratepayers, and then a shrieking harridan ‘interviewer’ gets the ‘other’ side of the story by bailing up Counsellors in the street after a meeting, chasing them down the street and yelling at them. No dispassionate discussion of the issues at all.

    Now we’re onto another ‘urban renewal’ and ‘affected communities’ green ajit prop piece.

    We pay for this??? What a farce.

  164. Armadillo

    Senator Macdonald then replied: “You are friendly referred to as the brick with eyes; can I say you are now showing you are a one-eyed brick.”

    LOL.

  165. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    But the expectation of the mother that maybe we can all cough up a bit more is somewhat galling, particularly so considering that Baby Gammy’s unfortunate parentage has lifted their entire family out of poverty.

    No. She saved the child’s life and has offered it love. No greater gift. A small price for us to pay is to recognize that child as one of ours, no matter how we do it. Of course she hopes for something better now – but she didn’t at the start. She just cared for the child of her body. I hope she gets a better future for him and perhaps for herself and her family.

  166. custard

    Senator McDonald was a bit of rouge figure after Abbott got elected but his calling out of leftist hypocrisy in the Senate chamber is quite something.

  167. I’ve said many times that SME is how to make the economy thrive, but the parties just do not listen. Unless you are an ex-corporal with delusions of grandeur.

    This bogan ex-corporal seems at times to be the only one to notice the Emporer isn’t wearing any clothes.

    Who else that’s currently elected to Federal Parliament has said (or would be game to say) of the bludgehadeen; “The sooner they’re knocked off the better off we’ll all be“?

  168. Snoopy

    Correction to obvious typo.

    I say you are now showing you are a one-eyed prick.

    /pedant

  169. Well the new federal finance laws sent my business to the wall.
    Rental agencies (think radio rentals etc) are the same as banks didnt you know.
    The changes sent my business from being high risk high profit to higher risk medium profit, but also allowed the franchise to effectively steal the area back again for nothing over technical breaches. (which never existed before ASIC got involved).

    Quite so Mole. You’ve posted this a few times in the past. Each time I’ve read it with a chill.

    It ain’t fair competition that is the biggest threat, it is unfair competition, or overpowering regulation.

    Sometimes I wonder why someone who’s had their life’s work taken from them by a stroke of a pen, well I wonder why some of them don’t pull a LH Oswald. I’m unlikely ever to, but I’m more peaceable than many.

    For example: I wouldn’t have dared dress in a Gillard mask after the Livexport shafting, for fear of straying into the crosshairs of a cattleman who’d just received a terminal diagnosis from his oncologist.
    In the circumstances, a most justified punctuation mark to a disgraceful career.

  170. Steve

    Because we are a compliant lot Steve. Under the larrikin streak is a high degree of conformity.

  171. Because we are a compliant lot Steve. Under the larrikin streak is a high degree of conformity.

    Australia, frontier nation… Lol.

  172. Tintarella di Luna

    I tried to give up about a year ago but have been a recidivist all this year.

    Blogstrop please don’t go how can I enjoy my one and only coffee as I start the day without seeing at least one of your early morning comments?

  173. Steve

    Change in government regulations cost me $70 000 that at the time I could not afford. I hate the petty bastards. I think most people in these situations here are more likely to do themselves in, than go postal. I also think that many more people than you would think have been burned, most suffer in silence.

  174. Steve

    I think we should be glad of peoples’ restraint, but unfortunately it also seems to extend to the ballot box. When governments through capricious legislation, devalue something you have worked hard to obtain, the response should at a minimum be to vote the bastards out, and civil disobedience is also a rational response. We have no history of that.

  175. Tom

    Blogstrop please don’t go how can I enjoy my one and only coffee as I start the day without seeing at least one of your early morning comments?

    Bloggy’s being a princess, Tinta.

    I hope he decides to be a proper male and shows up at 6am each day to deliver his thoughts as he has been doing. He isn’t required for the rest of the day. Simples.

  176. Gab

    civil disobedience is also a rational response. We have no history of that.

    Eureka Stockade. Check it out and learn.

  177. Leigh Lowe

    Curtis-Hodge previously served 10 years in jail for aggravated sexual assault and six years for armed robbery, and was given a suspended sentence for stalking and intimidation.

    Umm … he is mid 30’s.
    What the fuck is he doing out?
    I saw someone here last night using the term “pork” to describe police, a term which I think was originated by Charles Manson.
    They deserve the highest credit for having to deal with this pondscum on a daily basis, knowing that any little Yellow Pages workout is going to get the arsewipe off .. again.

  178. Steve

    Eureka stockade. Pffftt. Hardly the American revolution was it. Or the Boer war or even the Maori war. These really fought the Empire.
    Eureka stockade.
    Ha.

  179. Pedro the Ignorant

    Australians are very obedient people.

    The alleged “healthy disregard for authority” is a legend that died generations ago.

  180. Steve

    Even the Canadians had more success with their rebellion.

  181. Gab

    Eureka stockade. Pffftt. Hardly the American revolution was it. Or the Boer war or even the Maori war. These really fought the Empire.
    Eureka stockade.
    Ha.

    Mock it all you like – clearly you don’t know it was a revolt against a mining tax – and your diversion now notwithstanding, your premise in the first case is false.

  182. calli

    Australians are very obedient people.

    The alleged “healthy disregard for authority” is a legend that died generations ago.

    True. I’m just a closet anarchist.

    I pay my taxes, I obey the road rules (mostly) and I turn up regularly on polling day and think that my vote ‘counts’.

    Typical Aussie.

  183. Steve

    Gab, it was mainly a protest against the poll tax, and Chinese miners trekking across from SA to Vic. You cannot grow up in the goldfields without an appreciation of this history.

  184. Tom

    Eureka stockade.
    Ha.

    It really is a pissant myth of little consequence.

    The only important Australian legend is the fact that hundreds of thousands of Australian men (and a handful of sheilas), in a faraway time, sacrificed their lives to defend freedom and democracy, which are now being rolled back by totalitarian scum who have never even stepped in a puddle to defend this country’s traditions.

  185. Gab

    From the ‘Folks are Dumb Where Greens Come From’ file, featuring Larissa Waters who is desperately trying to get a ‘gotcha’ on Costello and fails miserably:

    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22committees%2Festimate%2Ffcd69c81-e8d1-4648-be9a-6baae027ceb5%2F0003%22

    It’s a good read.

  186. Leigh Lowe

    Eureka stockade. Pffftt. Hardly the American revolution was it. Or the Boer war or even the Maori war. These really fought the Empire.
    Eureka stockade.
    Ha.

    It was a little more than a dispute over a parking ticket, or wanting the recycling bin collection dates changed.
    I had a very distant relative involved.
    As I pointed out to the artist formerly known as Numbers, he would be pissed off to find the flag being misused by a commie.

  187. Gab

    It was a mining tax revolt. Stop trying to rewrite histroy.

    It really is a pissant myth of little consequence.

    Maybe so but his claim was Australia has no history of civil disobedience. I merely pointed out that we do.

  188. squawkbox

    In any other country on Earth, the Eureka stockade would have grabbed two weeks coverage at best in the local paper. That it has become an Australian legend is simply a testament to how boring Australia’s history is. Ditto Ned Kelly.

  189. Gab

    Rum Rebellion.

    Yeah, yeah, it’s just so pathetic thousands of Australians didn’t die fighting each other on home soil.

    You lot are weird.

  190. calli

    Civil disobedience? Like putting green waste in the recycling? Or…horror…plastic in the green waste?

    Backyard incineration was much simpler, and more fun. And the ashes could go to a useful place, like the vegie patch.

  191. egg_

    CL, notice how no-one is engaging with what happened when Mark Scott was in front of a Senate Committee last night, even after our prompts?

    Came across it c. 10pm on ABC24 whilst channel hopping.
    Argy bargy about Regional Radio (yawn).
    No captioning as to whom was speaking at the time.
    Who was the dude to (our) left of Scott – his replies seemed to amount to “I’ll get back to you”?

    egg_ over & out, Cap’n.

  192. .

    Steve
    #1519574, posted on November 21, 2014 at 8:40 pm
    Eureka stockade. Pffftt. Hardly the American revolution was it. Or the Boer war or even the Maori war. These really fought the Empire.
    Eureka stockade.
    Ha.

    You have no understanding of history. You believe because the battle was small, the consequences could not be large.

  193. egg_

    Australians are very obedient people.

    The alleged “healthy disregard for authority” is a legend that died generations ago.

    Robert Hughes, The Fatal Shore.

  194. Roger

    I’m linking to this for Geriatric Mayfly above @ 6.26PM.

  195. custard

    Who was the dude to (our) left of Scott – his replies seemed to amount to “I’ll get back to you”?

    COO David Pendleton $362k

  196. Peter

    1519470, posted on November 21, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    UKIP wins with a candidate named Mr Reckless.

    The Liberal Democrats are the author of the stupid green policies that the UK is saddled with. They run DECC. They were obliterated…so few votes they lost their deposit.

    The 2015 election is going to be very nice regarding those nitwits. They are going to be gone. Let the Tories and Labour learn the message: green crap is voter poison.

    The UKIP seems to be making inroads by representing Englishmen who want to be …. English. People who believe that their national identity should not be sold out for membership of international bodies or to satisfy any immigrant with enough money to get in as sad story.

    Meanwhile, Australians are being bullied and browbeaten out of behaving like Australians or having identifiable cultural values.

  197. Steve

    You have no understanding of…
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  198. Peter

    You have no understanding of history. You believe because the battle was small, the consequences could not be large.

    It was not very long before Peter Lalor was a member of the Victorian Parliament and was made speaker of the Upper House. That is the kind of response in the electorate that makes politicians…….. wary.

  199. I saw someone here last night using the term “pork” to describe police, a term which I think was originated by Charles Manson.

    That would have been me.
    It was lifted shamelessly from an episode of the TV series “Stingers”. The context in which it was used was (unintentionally) one of the lighter moments of the entire Eight seasons of “Stingers”.

  200. Tel

    Well the new federal finance laws sent my business to the wall.
    Rental agencies (think radio rentals etc) are the same as banks didnt you know.

    People choosing to rent are less likely to get themselves out of their depth in credit card debt, and that sir means your business eats into bank profitability. Big business with a good hold on the government ear is in an excellent position to remove their competition… and that’s exactly what they do.

  201. egg_

    COO David Pendleton $362k

    [Thought so, ta]

  202. Tom

    Yeah, yeah, it’s just so pathetic thousands of Australians didn’t die fighting each other on home soil.

    You lot are weird.

    100,000 not enough for you, Gab?

    The human toll of WW1 and WW2 combined, worldwide, was over 77 million lives. Over 1 700,000 men and women of the Commonwealth forces died, and over 100,000 of these were Australians.

    Our WW1 and WW2 war dead lie all around the world. Those whose graves are known rest in war and civil cemeteries where orderly headstones state their details. Those who were known to have been cremated are commemorated on cremation memorials. Those with no known grave are commemorated on Memorials to the Missing.

    We did our fighting defending this place overseas. I know it’s not the pissant Hungarian Revolution, but that’s what we did.

  203. .

    Steve
    #1519600, posted on November 21, 2014 at 9:08 pm
    You have no understanding of…
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    Nice try, dickhead.

    Your egregious stupidity to date:

    1. Pushers hang around schools dealing to kids.
    2. 3D printing won’t impact manufacturing at all.
    3. Manufacturing in itself is a worthy activity.
    4. The Eureka Stockade was an event of no consequence.

  204. Roger

    You have no understanding of history. You believe because the battle was small, the consequences could not be large.

    Small or large, what are the most significant battles of history?

    My vote: Vienna, 1529.

  205. Peter

    Australians are very obedient people.

    The alleged “healthy disregard for authority” is a legend that died generations ago.

    I frequently meet people who disregard authority where they consider it to be unreasonable, and not in the thuggish way displayed by some unions or the heedlessness of filthy professional protestors.

    The problem is that unreasonable authority usually goes hand-in-hand with unreasonable penalties if caught, so its not done in public. You would have to get out from behind your computer and outside the built-up areas to meet them.

  206. Gab

    Gab, it was mainly a protest against the poll tax, and Chinese miners trekking across from SA to Vic.

    Oh for Heaven’s sake, that was not the Eureka Stockade , you ignoramus.

  207. Leigh Lowe

    Things got heated in the PUP filth supported enquiry into QLD govt:

    Clive’s brilliant plan to fuck over Campbell Newman lacks only three things:
    (1) A plan;
    (2) Clive’s attention span;
    (3) Anyone else in PUP with a fucking clue.

  208. egg_

    COO David Pendleton $362k

    Can the Senate Estimates Committee hearing for Aunty do the costings in Rubles, to give the State Broadcaster more gravitas?

  209. Steve

    Gab

    It was a mining tax revolt. Stop trying to rewrite history.

    The mining tax was a poll tax, I believe. Correct me if I am wrong.
    Eureka may be significant in Australian history, but my point was compared to the actual wars that convulsed most colonies, it is not. The Maori fought three wars against the New Zealanders and eventually forced the Governor General to treaty.

  210. .

    Small or large, what are the most significant battles of history?

    To name a few ancient ones:

    Hydapases
    Thermopalye
    Salamis
    Carrhae

  211. Leigh Lowe

    It was lifted shamelessly from an episode of the TV series “Stingers”. The context in which it was used was (unintentionally) one of the lighter moments of the entire Eight seasons of “Stingers”.

    I think it may have upset a regular uniformed (as distinct from uninformed) poster who definitely doesn’t deserve that label.

  212. Dan

    Not sure if this has already been noted, but, driving is not a privilege. You pay some cash, pass a test and you get a license.

  213. Peter

    We did our fighting defending this place overseas.

    This should be remembered.

    Believe not the Lefties who would have us believe that our volunteers were ignorant dupes. Being values-free themselves, they cannot afford to admit that better men than themselves were motivated by values that had merit.

    As my own father said to me….. “We knew that there was something bad in the world, and it wasn’t going to be stopped by those who stayed at home

  214. Gab

    We did our fighting defending this place overseas. I know it’s not the pissant Hungarian Revolution, but that’s what we did.

    No need to get nasty and personal about it, Tom. I was merely pointing out that you lot seem disappointed that many Australians didn’t die fighting the government here. Like it’s a pissing contest over civil disobedience or something. I don’t understand why you think that becuase only 27 people died in the Eureka Stockade, that it’s trivial and should not be recorded as an historic event.

  215. Steve

    Some manic rude banging in the background, might be that Dot bore again

    Scroll
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    Problem solved, peace of mind maintained.

  216. Gab

    Small or large, what are the most significant battles of history?

    The Battle of Tours, 732.

  217. Andrew

    Abc then claims australia is meanly packing people in concentration camps by only taking hundreds of thousands of immigrants a year.choke the tories on fundemental transformation.

    Seriously, how can any person seriously endorse an extended suspension for the LNP in opposition as punishment / revenge / training / personal development when the result will be a Blabbersac-SLF govt (the SLF, like Andrews in the DPRV, will be a figurehead taking orders from the Leftwing of the Leftwing). They will actually have the power to ENACT those ABC policy prescriptions deemed SO destructive to the country that even A666 stood up against them.

  218. Tom

    We get on too well to fight among ourselves. The only thing we were prepared to spill our own blood for was to defend life and liberty itself.

  219. It was lifted shamelessly from an episode of the TV series “Stingers”. The context in which it was used was (unintentionally) one of the lighter moments of the entire Eight seasons of “Stingers”.

    I think it may have upset a regular uniformed (as distinct from uninformed) poster who definitely doesn’t deserve that label.

    I started using it when the local fellers began informally referring to themselves as “The Pork”.
    Shocked me somewhat, as they generally don’t take very well any reference that hints in that direction.

    Doesn’t worry me. I get called everything in the dictionary, daily, and I don’t have the comeback of a truncheon, pistol, handcuffs, power to impose arbitrary financial impositions, to generally harass, or have Six Thousand in my gang to get square with someone.
    Sticks ‘n’ Stones… .etc.

  220. Gab

    The mining tax was a poll tax, I believe. Correct me if I am wrong.

    I already have and it also had nothing to do with the Chinese. That came after the event.

    As for the rest of your missive … scroll, scroll, scroll.

  221. Rabz

    I don’t understand why you think that because only 27 people died in the Eureka Stockade, that it’s trivial and should not be recorded as an historic event.

    FFS, could anyone even imagine the concept of 27 people being prepared to risk their lives confronting governmental tyranny in this country now?

    We’d be lucky if you could find .27 people and we’re being oppressed a hell of a lot more than the Eureka prospectors ever were.

    Australia – this lacklustre, wide brown toilet.

  222. Steve

    You lot seem disappointed that many Australians didn’t die fighting the government here

    Not disappointed, just wonder if it explains the culture here.

  223. cynical1

    MartinG
    #1519398, posted on November 21, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    Kobani has become a place where ISIL pour resources in, only to have them destroyed for no gain. While they are losing fighters in Kobani, they are not able to deploy them elsewhere and are losing their reputation as being an unstoppable force.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/17/islamic-state-propaganda-videos-foreign-recruits

    Don’t give up your day job.

    Crushing the bastards would have made them slightly less attractive to recruits…

  224. Leigh Lowe

    Small or large, what are the most significant battles of history?

    Small battles don’t come any bigger that Richmond vs Essendon, half-time at Windy Hill, Round 7, 1974

  225. Roger

    The Battle of Tours, 732.

    Excellent choice, Gab.

    Re Dot’s I knew Thermopylae and Salamis but had to look the other two up, ancient history not being a strong point.

  226. Steve

    Well, Gab, if I am scroll worthy, don’t reply to my posts. See how that works? It avoids all the useless abuse and arguments with people you are never going to convince.
    Scroll away, that is my policy.
    I reply to people who will reply without the “dickhead”, “eff off” and all the other predictable filth. I do so because I decided early on to never descend to that level, so I am not going to engage with it. Dot began our conversations with a level of decency, but could not maintain it. So I choose not to engage with him. I think it is called freedom of association or some such.

  227. .

    Anyone who doubts the progress of 3D printing is a bloody fool:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1376670/3d-printer-produces-revolutionary-robotic-hand

    A cutting-edge technique for building custom-made prosthetic hands is offering new hope for child amputees.

    A Bristol-based company has combined 3D scanning and 3D printing to make the hand.

    The company, Open Bionics, claims it is the first time it has ever been done.

    First a tablet computer with a scanner is moved around the amputated limb so that measurements can be taken.

    These are fed into a programme which in turn controls the 3D printer. The whole process takes days.

    …and for anyone claiming they can’t do industrial manufacture – they’ve been used to produce aircraft jet engines.

  228. Roger

    Small battles don’t come any bigger that Richmond vs Essendon, half-time at Windy Hill, Round 7, 1974

    Sounds like you were there, Leigh?

  229. Gab

    As I said on another thread, Roger, we need a modern version of Charles Martel.

  230. .

    Small battles don’t come any bigger that Richmond vs Essendon, half-time at Windy Hill, Round 7, 1974

    1989 NSW Rugby League Grand Final.

    I was on the wrong side of history.

  231. Tom

    Fuck off, Leigh. The ’89 grand final was the most compelling spectacle since Waterloo — if you had a good seat in bay 13.

  232. .

    I reply to people who will reply without the “dickhead”, “eff off” and all the other predictable filth. I do so because I decided early on to never descend to that level, so I am not going to engage with it.

    Oh you poor dear. You said something stupid and everyone on the thread hammered you, and someone rightfully gave you some abuse for to consider pulling your head in and now the faux moral outrage begins.

    We won’t be lectured to by someone with the debating skills of an EMILY’s lister.

  233. You lot seem disappointed that many Australians didn’t die fighting the government here

    Not disappointed, just wonder if it explains the culture here.

    In real life I bring this up often.
    Despite a lot in common, historically, culturally, politically & geneologically, we are very different to the USA.
    Two acts of rebellion there, in the past year or so, that would be unimaginable in Oz:

    1) The Bundy Ranch standoff. Short synopsis; The feds were after Mr. Bundy in what the general public did not consider a “fair go”. Hundreds of people turned up, each one a pillar of society, at their own expense, prepared to defy the govt. Many of these came armed & prepared to engage in mortal combat with the Feds.
    The local police assisted Mr. Bundy, right down to standing on the front line advising snipers who were fixing feds in their crosshairs.

    2) The New England gun bans. Local police all over the New England states refused to enforce, in any way, savage new firearm registration laws. This left the state govts impotent.

    Neither of these things would happen in Australia. Us, and especially our police (who would jackboot up & side against the people) this is to the utter shame of Australia. Pussy nation.

  234. cynical1

    Oh come on
    #1519405, posted on November 21, 2014 at 4:51 pm

    Kobane is becoming a pile of rubble, just slowly.

    So? Now that the citizens of Kobane have left, what’s happening there is far more important than the structural wellbeing of the town. It’s the only place where the whole world can see ISIS slowly being ground down. If ISIS is routed in Kobane, it’ll be a devastating propaganda setback.

    That’s the point.

    The town is being trashed slowly.

    Why not obliterate the section held by ISIS?

    Send a proper message.

  235. Rabz

    Anyone who doubts the progress of 3D printing is a bloody fool

    Yes, but a certain personage did just that, very recently, on this blog – who was it dot?

    Something akin to:

    “I think there will be a world market for possibly five 3D printers.”

  236. Rabz

    1989 NSW Rugby League Grand Final

    Possibly the most epic sporting event in recorded human history.

    dot – I watched it in Balmain.

    Absolutely heartbtreaking.

  237. Rabz

    The ’89 grand final was the most compelling spectacle since Waterloo

    The half time contretemps has indeed passed into folklore.

  238. Zippy The Younger

    CAIR, Recognized Terrorist Org., Exposed in TV Debate
    A senior official of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Nezar Hamze, repeatedly denied the existence of Department of Justice documents tying CAIR to the Muslim Brotherhood. Hamze made the remarks during a televised debate with Clarion Project National Security Analyst Ryan Mauro on NewsmaxTV’s “MidPoint with Ed Berliner.”

    The topic of the debate was the designation of CAIR as a terrorist organization by the Muslim government of the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

    Hamze, Regional Operations Director of CAIR-Florida, argued that there’s no evidence that CAIR is linked to the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas and is a moderate organization.

    Mauro presented as proof Department of Justice documents that establish a firm connection between CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood, an organization designated by several countries as a terrorist group.

    The most remarkable feature of the discussion was that Hamze repeatedly tried to deny the existence of quotes by federal prosecutors about the CAIR-Brotherhood connection, even after those quotes were read aloud and the documents were shown to the audience. All of these documents are publicly available online.

    The evidence introduced in the Holy Land Foundation suggests CAIR was established to support the Islamist agenda through influencing the media, governmental officials and public policy. It may not be a revenue stream for Hamas, as one of the purposes of the Holy Land Foundation was, but CAIR is still part of the Muslim Brotherhood network.

  239. .

    Mauro presented as proof Department of Justice documents that establish a firm connection between CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood, an organization designated by several countries as a terrorist group.

    If they have a smoking gun, they ought to go in hard after all the ducks are lined up.

    That is simply intolerable.

  240. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The arithmetic of drought.

    A certain two hundred hectares of land, in the past, given the right rain, has yielded just over six hundred tonnes of wheat

    Same two hundred hectares, this year, with half our average annual rainfall, has yielded TWENTY FIVE TONNES of wheat.

    I am planning on “doing a Rabz” tonight – there is good Tobermorey to be had, so if Cats will do me the courtesy of ignoring challenges to mortal combat, postings of bawdy poetry, or calls for legislation to outlaw virginity, I would be obliged.

  241. calli

    Greatest battles? Sydney Cricket Ground, 1922

    North Sydney 35 Glebe 3

    And no, like Thermopylae, I wasn’t there. But, oh, I wish I had been… 🙂

  242. Zippy The Younger

    UKIP Wins Another Seat in Britain’s Parliament, Dealing a Blow to David Cameron
    LONDON — The populist U.K. Independence Party won its second seat in the British Parliament early Friday with a striking victory that threatened to destabilize the Conservative Party of Prime Minister David Cameron.

    The right-wing party, known as UKIP, won a parliamentary by-election in Rochester and Strood in southern England, in a contest prompted by the defection of a lawmaker, Mark Reckless, from the Conservatives.

  243. WhaleHunt Fun

    What’s a Eureka Stockade?
    Is it like a Eureka Moment, but with a cattle yard fence instead of a bathtub?
    Sounds like some pissant non-event that occurred down south, and as with everything the Mexicans do, is blown up and falsely claimed to be not totally insignificant.
    If it didn’t affect Qld then it may as well never have happened.

  244. Tom

    I have zero knowledge of NRL before 2010 and as much as a gnat’s brain since. How come the 1989 NRL and AFL GFs are both revered? Spooky.

    PS: It was the 1989 AFL GF, not NRL, that that was best game of football in the past 50 years, Rabz.

  245. .

    That’s rough Zulu.

    In the east a few months ago with a wet winter, all crops had bumper potential, but probably not enough to finish them properly.

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