Australia’s not so secret war

Tim Blair has gone after the critics of Hal Colebatch’s Australia’s Secret War: How Unionists Sabotaged Our Troops in World War II which had the audacity to win the Prime Minister’s Literary Award, or at least shared one with someone else. This has apparently sent the unusual suspects off into a frenzy.

What is astonishing to me is that the sabotage continued past the Soviet Union entering the War. We had the same problem in Canada, but the moment that the Soviet motherland was under attack, everything changed in a nanosecond. That unions were still at it in Australia long after, and especially out here where we were all by ourselves in the South Pacific, shows an insanity that defies description.

Yet in the Orwellian world we seem to inhabit, apparently nothing is ever settled if it in any way is discrediting to the left. You cannot even mention that Alger Hiss was just possibly maybe perhaps a Soviet agent without bringing half the world down on your head. So I won’t.

The interesting part about this episode is that the left understands how important it is to fortify the line and never concede anything no matter what. The critics of Colebatch’s book would have to do an awful lot of research to seriously erode the evidence that has been brought together by a serious scholar, which is what Hal Colebatch is. It is the usual demonstration effect. Do not go there if you know what’s good for you. So once again I won’t.

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83 Responses to Australia’s not so secret war

  1. Mike of Marion

    yesterday and today I searched for the book. I went into a Bookshop in Castle Plaza Edwardstown SA and they searched their catalogue and said it’s not listed. Web search showed Quadrant Books as the supplier (was also not a preferred supplier to their shop.) I’ noticed all the lefty books on sale at the shop.

    I came home and contacted Quadrant on their website and ultimately their shop and it’s now being dispatched .

    ISBN No 9780980677874

  2. C.L.

    The Australian left fully supported Hitler and Tojo at this time and did their level best to get Diggers killed. You can understand why they’re so red-faced with rage at being held to account.

    But other books need to be written.

    Like one on how the left were still working to get Diggers killed in the 1960s. Vietnam.

    Like one on Gough Whitlam’s support for Pol Pot and denial of the Killing Fields.

    Or the ALP’s love affair with Saddam Hussein.

  3. Like one on how the left were still working to get Diggers killed in the 1960s. Vietnam.

    The informal “Punch a Postie” scheme by Diggers returned from Vietnam was implemented for a reason.

  4. My efforts to get a copy from the ABC shop were fruitless. “We don’t deal with that supplier.”
    Riiight.

  5. .

    The left don’t like history which they make.

    Spread the word.

    They are unworthy to rule us, given their ideas are nonsensical alone.

    They perhaps cannot atone for a sin like helping Stalin and Hitler and perhaps should never in good conscience seek public office of any kind.

  6. mmxx

    Isn’t it interesting that the first boy that the left’s moral revisionists push forward to put his finger in their leaky dyke (when union treachery at Australian waterfronts during WWII is seriously examined and lots of people start to understand and push the dyke wall) is Mike Carlton.

    Now I understand why Mike Carlton tweets are from the level of the dyke.

    (In older Australian parlance, “dyke” is a substitute term for an anachronistic outside long-drop toilet.)

  7. Colebatch has put it together nicely in a book. However this stuff is not news. Unless you’ve arrived from Mars last week, you’ve known all your life that wharfies went on strike to interrupt war supplies reaching the front line in WWII, (also Vietnam).

  8. Token

    Colebatch is fortunate that Blair and Bolt are around to provide a response to the farrago of lies the left has been peddling in the last day.

    Other academics should take heart from the fact there is a network which will help ensure the truth does not get smothered by the heirs of the traitors who left sick and starving soldiers on ships for days.

  9. Token

    However this stuff is not news. Unless you’ve arrived from Mars last week, you’ve known all your life that wharfies went on strike to interrupt war supplies reaching the front line in WWII, (also Vietnam).

    It is news for anyone educated by the guardians in the Australian Education Union who have ensured the critical stories were never shared.

  10. calli

    Yes, SatP. It’s hardly ‘news’ to us oldies, but the Left have been building the ‘compassionate’ narrative for years now.

    The fact that they openly tried to screw the country in wartime by sabotaging aid to our troops will come as a surprise to the indoctrinees.

    Someone had to say it, though, before all the people who were there are gone. Naturally, the meme of ‘warry stories’ by old codgers has already begun.

  11. tomix

    Steve at the Pub

    However this stuff is not news.

    That’s right. It’s history that’s been suppressed. Abbott could be coming good after all.

  12. Er… I didn’t realise it was so contentious. It is fact. In my whole life nobody has ever disputed it. (Until this book was published).

    I’ve worked with two blokes who were each involved in such strikes. It clearly rankled with them, as they’d not hesitate to tell & retell all about it.

  13. Michael of Oberon

    Alger Hiss was a Soviet agent as was Harry Dexter White. Both confirmed by the Venona decrypts. White’s main contribution to the Soviet cause was to push for greater US pressure on Japan, ultimately leading Japan to attack the US and not join Hitler against the Soviet Union. Of course the unions continued to disrupt the war effort during the Pacific War. It was not in the Soviet interest for the US and its allies to defeat Japan too easily or too early. The Soviets wanted a share in the ultimate carve up, which they eventually got. The best that Lord Carlton of Twitter has been able to come up with is that Colebatch might not have correctly identified some aircraft that the wharfies rendered u/s by smashing them on the docks when lifting them with cranes. Colebatch identified them as Vultee Vengeances, US built aircraft that the Americans didn’t use but which the RAAF did. They may have been US built Corsairs for the RNZAF. The correct identification is hardly to the point. Aircraft destined to support Allied forces at the Front in the islands were deliberately wrecked by Australian wharfies while they were being tran-shipped. Beyond disgraceful.

  14. Baldrick

    It’s a disgraceful episode in Australia’s wartime history, conveniently sidelined by the Left, because it doesn’t fit their progressive image.

  15. tomix

    Sure. Unless you’ve talked to people born in the twenties or earlier, you’d have had no idea.

    Until this book.

  16. Sure. Unless you’ve talked to people born in the twenties or earlier, you’d have had no idea.

    Hmmm, people manage to live without talking to folks born in the 1920’s.
    Modern urban life misses so much.

  17. tomix

    The aircraft destroyed on the wharf were separate to the aircraft lost in New Guinea due to stolen radio valves.

  18. Tel

    But other books need to be written.

    Often gets overlooked by political historians, the Soviets were big on torture as well, even worse than the CIA under George W Bush.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

  19. JC

    Often gets overlooked by political historians, the Soviets were big on torture as well, even worse than the CIA under George W Bush.

    William J Casey wrote a book about his time as the CIA Director during the Reagan Administration. There were a spate of kidnappings of Westerners in Lebanon during the time. They decided to take the kidnappings up a notch by taking Soviet diplomats. The Sov sent one single warming to free the prisoners. They weren’t.

    Some of the leadership of the group were subsequently found dead. They were badly beaten up and had their private parts stuffed in their mouths. There were no other threats against Sovs from then on. Casey was quite impressed.

  20. tomix

    From the link:
    Famine in USSR, 1933. Areas of most disastrous famine marked with black. As can be seen Eastern Ukrainians were actually the one affected the most from this famine

    Eastern Ukrainians, eh? History repeating.

  21. It’s also completely consistent with what happened to Keith Windschuttle when he started publishing on the ‘stolen’ generations.

    No one has yet been able to refute any of Keith’s actual research, because it’s footnoted within an inch of its life. I bet Hal Colebatch’s is, too.

  22. Btw JC, there’ll be no fee for correcting your anecdote with published facts. Your heart is in the right place and you weren’t all that far off. Pretty good recollection skills. You’re not bad for a deep southerner.

    The actual story is even better, if one takes the time to think how it must have gone down with the Hezbollah board of directors.

  23. No one has yet been able to refute any of Keith’s actual research, because it’s footnoted within an inch of its life. I bet Hal Colebatch’s is, too.

    Quite so, most of what I read about Windschuttle’s error-ridden doofus books runs like this:
    “Winschuttle is a dumbass”. “Windschuttle can be quite difficult to get along with”. “Windschuttle once backed Collingwood to win a football match when actually they subsequently lost, ergo Windschuttle is a fool” etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc x pi to the power of 10.

  24. tomix

    The French found castrated arab partisans hanging from trees with their penises in their mouths during Suez.
    Attributed to the Israelis.

  25. calli

    Sure. Unless you’ve talked to people born in the twenties or earlier, you’d have had no idea.

    Dad was born in 31 and told me about it. He was a schoolboy at the time, but even the youngsters knew what was going on…he lost his eldest brother in the war.

    And this little kerfuffle has made me determined to let my children and grandchildren know.

    Thanks Lefties for reminding me of my duty to the next generation. 🙂

  26. Robbo

    When it comes to loyalty to Australia, and its troops when they are fighting overseas, the union movement has always put other interests first. They were supporters and allies of Stalin when he was in league with Hitler and they kept up their sabotage of our war effort even after the Russians were attacked by the Germans. In later years they sabotaged our troops in Vietnam whenever they could and there is no way anyone should ever trust them again when it comes to putting the interests of Australia first. Mike Carlton and the other loonies like him are from the same seed. Nasty vile despicable liars the lot of them who would deny the truth even if it jumped out of their weetie bowls and bit them on their noses.

  27. tomix

    Saw this on Guido weeks ago. [From memory] Yeah, the Unions own the [British] Labour Party.

    But who owns the Unions?

  28. struth

    The left go to any length to hide the truth and rewrite history.
    The truth and debate are not needed .
    They have other vays to brrring about ze revolution.
    How many conservatives and right of centre folk actually think Hitler was a right wing extremist?
    MANY.
    it’s how it is done.
    Even though he called himself and his party socialists.
    That one lie told over and over so they don’t own what is a product of the left has had the unbelievable effect of making right wing people second guess themselves, to make sure and check any overly patriotic feelings etc. You don’t want to be seen as too right wing it seems.
    They win.
    I believe after a long time now that the fault we on the right are mostly guilty of is trying to argue the point and debate.
    How silly.
    We give them too much credit.
    This is why I am so annoyed at Abbott.
    To fight leftism and win just requires defunding them.
    Growing private enterprise and shrinking the public service.
    Taking away the prize money for literary awards that tax payers have no choice in funding.
    Etc. Etc. Etc.
    Shut down the ABC.
    When these parasites see stuff like that happening they shut up pretty quick.
    We argue with our enemies and then fund tbem to cheat lie and win.

  29. duncanm

    Bolt’s reminder of the persecution of Geoffrey Blainey.

    Just.. wow.

  30. tomix

    How many conservatives and right of centre folk actually think Hitler was a right wing extremist?

    That line is being pushed on LewRockwell.com. Hitler drew his early support from the right wing Freikorps, who had put down the communist led German Revolution of 1919.
    There was also a powerful belief in Germany that the communist led unions had backstabbed the Reich in 1918 with strikes that prevented urgently needed supplies from getting to the front, thereby losing the war.
    Sound familiar?

    Hitler and the German Socialist Workers Party right wing Fascists?
    Historical status: True.

  31. C.L.

    … even worse than the CIA under George W Bush.

    A moronic comment.

  32. Peter

    Father-bear was a member of one of the AIF units that was not able to ship out for Borneo because the wharfies were on strike.

    He was not impressed………….

  33. stackja

    UNITED STATES ARMY IN WORLD WAR II
    The Technical Services
    THE TRANSPORTATION CORPS: OPERATIONS OVERSEAS
    by Joseph Bykofsky and Harold Larson
    First Printed 1957 -CMH Pub 10-21
    linky

    Australian longshoremen, who by American standards were considered slow and none too efficient. Masters of WSA vessels often complained of delay at this port.
    Townsville was a stopover point for north-bound convoys, and in September 1943 as many as thirty-six ships at one time were lying at anchor awaiting call forward to New Guinea. The peak activity came in that year.

    The subtropical port of Cairns, still closer to New Guinea, became a temporary base in September 1943 when the heavy demands of New Guinea exceeded the capacity of Townsville. Situated at the mouth of the Barron River, Cairns could receive a maximum of seven ocean-going vessels at one time. The harbor had to be dredged. Port equipment was poor, and the civilian longshoremen there, as elsewhere, were slow in discharging cargo.
    U.S. Army activity at Cairns rapidly dwindled as traffic shifted to Port Moresby and Milne Bay.
    The use of local civilian labor was attended by many difficulties, which were most pronounced in Australia. The Australian longshoremen were organized in ”a strong, militant, articulate union,” the Waterfront Workers Federation. Its bargaining position was excellent, both because of political influence and because of the acute wartime labor shortage. As in the United Kingdom and the United States, the Army did no direct hiring but dealt instead with stevedoring firms, which secured dock workers from the unions.

    The Transportation Corps frequently found the Australian dockers trying, none too efficient, and costly. The water-front workers sometimes refused to handle refrigerated or other special cargo, or they suspended operations because of rain. On occasion they were described as insolent, thievish, and resentful of the presence of the U.S. Army. They resorted to frequent strikes and walkouts, thus requiring the use of American and Australian troops to insure the movement of urgent cargo. According to Colonel Plant, the Australian longshoremen had an average discharge rate of five tons per hatch per hour, whereas untrained American soldiers under the same conditions could turn out four to five times as much cargo.

    Much of the Australian output at the ports entailed costly overtime, premium, and penalty rates. Overtime could not be avoided since an Australian law required that every vessel arriving there be worked around the clock. Premium and penalty cargoes were determined by contract. One effect of the high wages resulting from this system was that the workers often took vacations after three or four weeks of steady employment. Considerable time was lost each day because of the morning and afternoon “smoke-o,” the lunch hour,
    and, of course, the “tea-o.” The actual working time of a shift was about five hours, although the men were paid for eight. American transportation officers were well aware of this unsatisfactory situation, but they could do little except complain in their reports. Since the local government was under union dominance, the U.S. Army in Australia had to preserve a delicate balance between its own desires and the demands of labor, employing troops at the ports only under the direst circumstances.

    In Australia and the United Kingdom, for example, well-organized longshoremen did not readily accept the necessity for dropping leisurely peacetime practices and working at the pace the Army deemed necessary. Inevitably, too, unfavorable comparisons were made by American troops between their pay and that received by civilians working beside them.

  34. stackja

    struth
    #1536264, posted on December 11, 2014 at 8:11 pm
    believe after a long time now that the fault we on the right are mostly guilty of is trying to argue the point and debate.
    How silly.
    We give them too much credit.
    This is why I am so annoyed at Abbott.
    To fight leftism and win just requires defunding them.

    ALP and the other obstructionists in the Senate are happy and will not allow defunding pass through the Senate. Who voted for the ALP opposition and the other obstructionists in the Senate?
    TA is trying to do something more than most of his critics here.

  35. Pay of a Wharfie: Nine Pounds per week.
    Wharfie’s conditions: Five hours yakka per day, + sleep in sheets at home that night.
    Wharfie’s work pace: As leisurely as you wish, unless strike, then you’re in the pub.

    Pay of a Digger: One & three-quarters Pound per week.
    Digger’s conditions: Get shot at, front line x 24 hrs, as much jungle to sleep on as you want, provided the Japanese allow you to sleep. Telegramme delivered to your mum if you’re killed.
    Digger’s work pace: Whatever speed the Sgt tells you to move at. Velocity of Japanese bullets often sets the pace.

    The wharfies had nothing to bitch about.

  36. tomix

    People are sentimental about things like the ABC, even if they don’t watch or listen to it.
    Ditto about farmers who borrow big money. Abbot may have a plan.

    The ABC/Fairfax/Newscorp opinion makers probably won’t like it.

  37. tomix

    The wharfies weren’t bitching. They were actively working for the Soviet Union, directed by their Waterside Workers Federation bosses.

  38. .

    tomix
    #1536260, posted on December 11, 2014 at 8:05 pm
    Saw this on Guido weeks ago. [From memory] Yeah, the Unions own the [British] Labour Party.

    But who owns the Unions?

    Err, the dynastic union bosses and party leadership? Pretty obvious.

  39. People are sentimental about things like the ABC, even if they don’t watch or listen to it.
    Ditto about farmers who borrow big money. Abbot may have a plan.

    On this thread we’re gettin’ all sentimental about Diggers on the front line not getting essential support & supplies coz of wharfies on strike.
    ABC & farmers served in other areas in other ways.

  40. tomix

    Err, the dynastic union bosses and party leadership? Pretty obvious.

    Do you get paid to be stupid, or is it a free service?

  41. I am the Walrus, Koo Koo K'choo

    What is astonishing to me is that the sabotage continued past the Soviet Union entering the War.

    They can’t help themselves.

    They are retarded, they are militant, and they vote.

  42. calli

    But who owns the Unions?

    Is it a trick question? What is the answer Tomix?

  43. .

    tomix
    #1536301, posted on December 11, 2014 at 9:02 pm
    Err, the dynastic union bosses and party leadership? Pretty obvious.

    Do you get paid to be stupid, or is it a free service?

    In the war maybe it was the Soviet Union. Okay. Since they don’t exist, I can only assume it is now the money grubbing thieves like Craig Thomson.

    Please tell us who it is. “Oh I’m not telling” – get fucked.

  44. tomix

    No trick question, don’t know the answer, but it can’t be “talentless dynasties of stooges”.

    The well organised disruption on the wharves in WW2 seems to indicate another answer.

  45. tomix

    I can only assume it is now the money grubbing thieves like Craig Thomson.

    Craig Thomson owns a union, eh? Heh. You don’t believe that, do you?

  46. tomix

    Talentless dynasties of stooges is your answer, then?

  47. Did a quick search on Trove
    “Strike Wharf Union”…
    In the online newspapers…
    Only 2607+ hits…
    Between 1939 and 1945…

    No evidence at all then…

  48. wreckage

    “Highly skilled, ideologically active, militantly anti-Australia communist arseholes” is the long-form answer, tomix.

    Of course, I can see what you’re hinting at, and I too am inclined to look askance at our quiet, yet ever so cunning civilizational rivals: the lizardpeople of Rigel7.

  49. Gab

    ideologically active, militantly anti-Australia communist arseholes

    No need to bring up their ABC at this point.

  50. struth

    The wharfies have been one of the main obstacles to the success of this nation and actively worked against the national interest holding the country to ransom until Peter Reith and Howard.
    Tomix, the totalitarian communists and the totalitarian socialists might differ in a few small ways, such as government ownership of everything compared to government control of e erything but tbey are both big government controlling from the top down totalitarian leftism.
    German communist unions were not sabotaging the nazis in 1918 1919 ………
    Nazis were socialists and totalitarian left, but I have argued this before on this blog and will not get into it again.
    Needless to say you prove my point on this regarding left wing hitler spin.
    On the subject of defunding I wonder did the senate agree to the five percent over five years ?
    What about the fuel levy?
    Serious question as I have been fairly busy at work and haven’t kept up with everything.

  51. wreckage

    Fuck wharfies. Fire the lot. Shoot any that picket.

  52. calli

    the lizardpeople of Rigel7.

    Noooo…have those bastards turned up…again? 🙂

  53. Percy

    Fuck wharfies. Fire the lot. Shoot any that picket.

    In that order?

  54. Gab

    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17843632?searchTerm=Strike wharf union&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1939-01-01|||dateTo=1946-01-01|||sortby

    Thanks for that, Forester.

  55. wreckage

    Well, calli, can you out forward any other CREDIBLE explanation for unions being organised and co-ordinated? CAN YOU?

    HA! Your feeble attempts at an explanation are laughable! “They have phones and a calender” you shrilly wail, even now seeing the inevitable futility of such ridiculous pseudo-explanations! “It’s not hard to be obstructionist, just fuck things up continually” you lamely mumble on, as though that had any explanatory power at all!

    No, you can see, as can I, that there is SIMPLY NO OTHER EXPLANATION.

    The lizardpeople of Rigel7 see people like you as PAWNS in their INTERGALACTIC GAMES.

  56. wreckage

    Percy, yes, in that order, fuck me, I typed in that order for a reason. You can skip step one if the wharfies don’t float your boat.

  57. Percy

    You can skip step one if the wharfies don’t float your boat.

    Phew. Let us know when Step 1 is complete then. Step 2 also, sounds tedious. Step 3 however, I might be able to make time for.

  58. .

    tomix
    #1536329, posted on December 11, 2014 at 9:20 pm
    Talentless dynasties of stooges is your answer, then?

    In the absence of the USSR, yes.

    You don’t have an answer so fuck off, champ.

    Let me guess what you really think: gays, gay nazis, jews or repitlians.

    Just fuck off.

  59. struth

    Does every funding amount for every government spend need to go through parliament and passed?
    How did T A get the fuel levy surcharge passed a hostile Senate?
    The greens?
    They didn’t vote for it.
    I believe it is obstruction st all costs from most of the senate.
    How then the Small reduction in ABC funding?

  60. tomix

    Again: The Unions own the ALP, but who owns the Unions?

  61. .

    Tell us the answer or fuck off, tomix.

  62. jumpnmcar

    Again: The Unions own the ALP, but who owns the Unions?

    And who owns those who own the unions.
    And someone must own them too….

  63. TheSemiMentalBloke

    A bloke called Fred Unions.
    At least thats what me old man said.

  64. C.L.

    I wouldn’t have had any problem with striking/pilfering/sobotaging wharfies and seamen being shot. None at all.

  65. Token

    the lizardpeople of Rigel7.

    Noooo…have those bastards turned up…again? 🙂

    Who seriously thought Maddog Milne, Sarah Tragedies-Happen & the greenslimers are human?

  66. Oh come on

    It’s also completely consistent with what happened to Keith Windschuttle when he started publishing on the ‘stolen’ generations.

    Also to Bjorn Lomborg after he published The Skeptical Environmentalist – another meticulously researched and extensively footnoted publication (IIRC, about 2/5ths of the book consists of citations) that exposed the mendacity of modern environmentalism. The watermelons did not like the Lomborg treatment one little bit each. Science magazine invited renowned academics – one from each of the fields of environmental science targeted by Lomborg (eg. a climatologist, a biodiversity specialist etc) – to “debunk” his book via an article from each which would be published in the magazine. They all proceeded to raise a few pedantic quibbles they had with a small handful of deeply peripheral points they’d discovered in Lomborg’s book. It didn’t matter that these minor points no way undermined the main argument he was making; they were still seized upon by the left as irrefutable evidence that Lomborg was wrong. Science was defended and victory was declared.

    While not an Australian example, the dodgy hatchet job that was done on The Skeptical Environmentalist goes to show leftist tactics are (unsurprisingly) internationalist.

    Incidentally, if you haven’t read The Skeptical Environmentalist, head over to Amazon straight away and address this deficiency.

  67. Alfonso

    ‘Abbot may have a plan.’
    Straws, grasping at. Abbott is exactly as he seems, a fraud conservative.

  68. Aussiejohn

    I am convinced that most leftists in Australia, are not convinced leftists, but simply illiterate religionists.

    No left voter has ever been able to give a reasoned answer to a couple of questions I have asked: “Why do you vote for the left of politics?”, and, “How much have you read, and learned of the history, and philosophies of the left?”

    It seems that most believe, “What I don’t know won’t hurt me!”

  69. OldOzzie

    Have purchased Hal Colebatch’s Australia’s Secret War: How Unionists Sabotaged Our Troops in World War II from Quadrant Online and look forward to reading it

    Not fond memories of A’hole Wharfies in Townsville in Vietnam War

  70. Up The Workers!

    “Who owns the Unions?” You ask.

    Mike Williamson does – OBVIOUSLY!

    He got to keep the $20 million from the H.S.U., with the complete approval and support of Bull Shitten and Ged Kearney – neither of whom saw any need whatsoever to pay back a single cent to the gullible, battling suckers whose pockets the loot was stolen from, so it MUST be him.

    (But don’t tell “Big Bill” Ludwig, or “Honest Eddie” Obeid, or Victoria’s “Premier Setka” of the C.F.M.E.U. ).

  71. .

    “Who owns the Unions?” You ask.

    Mike Williamson does – OBVIOUSLY!

    We said so and our favourite anti vaxing truther told us no.

  72. Bean Counter

    Maybe a few Cats are unaware that Stalin had a non-aggression pact with Japan; signed in about April 1941, which remained in force until the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. As a result of this pact, any Aussie Commie/Socialist/ALP supporter was “honourbound” to not help Capitalist aggression against Japan.

    Does this explain why the unions were still doing naughty things on the docks after Hitler turned on Stalin?

    Also; it becomes tedious debating whether National Socialism was a form of Socialism or not. The Germans who voted for Adolf knew it was, and they were very happy with sharing the wealth of Germany….but only with other Germans; real Germans. Not with “lesser” folk.

    On the other hand, in the USSR the Commies had grabbed an empire…and therefore a multitude of different ethnic and religious groups, meaning that “The Soviet Union for all us Soviets” had much more appeal than a nationalist slogan like “Russia for The Russians”. Meanwhile in Italy and Germany and Greece etc, the appeal of “Our Wealth For Us” was the driving force of National Socialism. Many Germans despised the Commiunists not because they were Commies but because they were in the pay of foreigners.

    See Greece for a lesson. General Metaxas was the fascist dictator from 1936 until he died in 1941. From Wiki…

    “The regime’s propaganda presented Metaxas as “the First Peasant”, “the First Worker” and “the National Father” of the Greeks. Metaxas adopted the title of Arkhigos, Greek for “leader” or “chieftain”, and claimed a “Third Hellenic Civilization”, following ancient Greece and the Greek Byzantine Empire of the Middle Ages…….Metaxas adopted or adapted many of Fascist Italy’s institutions: a National Labour Service, the eight-hour workday, mandatory improvements to working conditions, and the Social Insurance Institute (Greek: ?????? ?????????? ??????????, IKA), still the biggest social security institution in Greece.

    C’mon…is that socialism or not?

    BTW. Despite the strength of both the Socialists (PASOK) and the Commies (KKK) in Greece over the past seven decades, the day Metaxas stood firm against the invading Italians’ demand foe surrender in WWII has been a National Holiday in Greece since the end of WWII…and the main boulevarde passing the Uni in Athens is named Ekossee Okto Oktovriou Avenue (28th October Ave). Whilst the Commies often hold riots on this road to fight the “filthy capitalists”, they have never wanted the name changed. Fascist, Mussolini-loving, “right-winger” Metaxas….was exactly their kinda guy!

  73. Seco

    So according to Lefty academics and “journalists”, stories from 200 years ago passed along generations by word of mouth with no further evidence to back them up equals a fact. A statement from a witness to the event a few decades afterwards equals fabrication.

    Sigh.

  74. oldsalt

    The Communist led unions boycotted Dutch [ an ally] shipping in support of their Republican comrades in the Indonesian Communist Part [PKI]. We’re so proud of this fact our Post there boasts about it.

  75. Rococo Liberal

    Again: The Unions own the ALP, but who owns the Unions?

    The answer is simple, no-one owns the unions as they have no shareholders, they are like mutual socieites which are associations of their members. At law the unions are not corpoate bodies. They have no woners.

  76. wreckage

    Who owns the owners of the owners of the owners?

    You’re a very clever young man,

    but it’s reptiloids all the way down.

  77. stackja

    BoltA quotes Carlton as saying

    According to Carlton, who fancies himself a naval historian, no Australian by the name of W.S. Monks ever served beneath the AIF’s Rising Sun or fell into the hands of the Japanese… What about an hourlong interview with the man who doesn’t exist?

    And his

    Service Record
    Name MONKS, WILLIAM SACKVILLE
    Service Australian Army
    Service Number WX2624 (462023)
    Date of Birth 12 May 1919
    Place of Birth DUBLIN, IRELAND
    Date of Enlistment 6 Mar 1939
    Locality on Enlistment MOORA, WA
    Place of Enlistment MOORA, WA
    Next of Kin MONKS, G
    Date of Discharge 18 Feb 1946
    Rank Private
    Posting at Discharge 2/3 M G BN 8 DIV
    WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
    Prisoner of War Yes

  78. calli

    but it’s reptiloids all the way down.

    I’m starting to warm to your theory, Wreckage. I’m sure I saw Thomson’s tongue move towards his eyeball under pressure. He arrested the natural urge just in time, but some of us just knows.

  79. For those who would like to add some evidence to their opinions on a wide range of topics to do with our history, there is always honesthistory.net.au . Look particularly under Themes and Resources.

  80. Blue Baron

    As I’ve commented on Blair’s site (if it clears moderation), W. S. Monks lied. HMS Speaker berthed at 8.45am on the day it entered Sydney Harbour: HMS Speaker Part 2. This is confirmed separately by one of the former POWs onboard, Corporal Harold Stephen Kildey of the 2/10 Field Ambulance: The 15th August 1945 came along and the war was finally over, and those who could, slowly returned to Australia and their loved ones. I may have mentioned that I left Nagasaki on the U.S. aircraft carrier USS LUNGA POINT to Okinawa, and then on an American transport to the Philippines and from there to Sydney on HMS SPEAKER, a British aircraft carrier, arriving in Sydney on 15th October 1945. I was met there by my wife, Jean, my mother and a younger brother. My wife had her employer’s car for the day and we went home to a friend’s place. [Frontline (magazine of the 1/19 RNSWR Association)].

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