Sydney Crisis Thread III

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  1. Grigory, Tori should not have ever been in a position to require saving his own life. It is that simple, those in the positions to make the call, chose to appease Western Sydney and not to save those hostages.

    In my view, it was not only cowardly, it was traitorous and treasonous, unforgivable and something that won’t go unchallenged.

  2. John Comnenus

    Seditionary1,

    I think you will find that they are available in hours not minutes.

    But they could easily have been in place by lunch time.

  3. Tom

    Clusterfuck update:

    POLICE chiefs had two plans to end the Lindt Café siege — wait it out or go in hot.

    Operatives began calling community members and other intelligence sources and within two hours they had identified the gunman as fake sheik Man Haron Monis, a 50-year-old on bail as an accessory for the murder of his ex-wife.

    His lawyer was contacted and asked to come and help police find a key to getting Monis to give himself up. The FBI passed on information that Monis was on its watch list.

    So Jihad Boy was on the FBI watch list but not the ASIO watch list. FMD.

  4. Beef

    A ‘lone wolf ‘ is identifiable, excluded and attacked from ‘the pack ‘.

    No exclusions and attacks historically from ‘the pack ‘.

  5. Grigory M

    We’ll then be entertained as NSW completes the circle all the way back to Commissioner Peter Ryan’s Policing with the Stars days

    Not if Nick Kaldas gets the nod as the new Commissioner of Police.

  6. notafan

    Wallee called Monis insignificant (running with a variant of minor irritant again)
    Not a single word about Monis’s victims, or is my reading so selective?
    And the big takeaway from the murder of Australians this week, ridewithme
    Why do Australians pay to have this creep write this tosh?
    Btw Muslim kills gay man first ,no headline there.

  7. John, it is quite possible minutes may be a stretch, but not impossible, however, you are right, the could have been well in-place by lunch time, if not, already back at Holsworthy celebrating a job well done with a couple of whatever ales they drink South of the border…

  8. Leo G

    The media will very quickly be offering large sums of money to the hostages to tell their stories. They may have already started to do so.

    I’m sure some hostages will be reticent. The Lindt manager apparently failed to get effective assistance from the other hostages in his brief struggle with the gunman.
    Not an issue with which they should be expected to deal through the print and broadcast media.

  9. Up The Workers!

    Another day, another barbaric Muslim atrocity.

    On Bolts’ site, a report that Taliban Insurgents have just proudly announced the murder of 141 innocent, unarmed civilians in Pakistan – mostly school children.

    Just waiting for the usual cowardly A.L.P. and Greens suspects to announce that these were “lone wolf” killings; 141 new separate “one-offs” and had nothing whatsoever to do with Allah’s Local Party’s beloved “religion of peace”.

    Come on, Imam Bull Shitten, tell us again how you and your Party stand “shoulder to bleeding neck-stump” with your good religious Muslim pals.

    I do hope that you and your Party were able to crank sufficient A.L.P. votes out of yesterday’s murderer, before the police aerated him. It would certainly ease the grief of the victims families, to know that their loved ones hadn’t died in vain.

    Waleed Aly will want triple time and a half for all his latest comically improbable grovelling excuses on “The Project” tonight.

  10. Grigory M

    It is that simple

    Nothing is simple in these situations.

  11. struth

    It all starts in our schools
    The black armband history and brainwashing young journalists to be etc
    They hate abd apologies for democracy we have and the racist old white men that forced it upon them .

  12. Actually Grigory, it really is that simple this time.

    No nuance, no complexity, no subtle plot, they sold us out.

  13. egg_

    We’ll then be entertained as NSW completes the circle all the way back to Commissioner Peter Ryan’s Policing with the Stars days

    May as well promote the vag-with-a-badge if we’re stuck with a softc*ck?

  14. Roger

    So Jihad Boy was on the FBI watch list but not the ASIO watch list. FMD.

    Looks like my question about surveillance has been answered.

    There was none.

    Review please, George Brandis.

  15. Lysander

    Sincere question for the very well informed on the Cat…

    When Islam says it looks to a world caliphate; is that actual or symbolic?

    I only ask because us Catholics “look forward” to a “heavenly Jerusalem” here on Earth which I think is more of an allegorical reference than an actual one. You know, if you wanted to prompt the “2nd Coming” you just need to kill everyone on Earth right? (I mean, there’s no point with the Big Fella waiting around once everyone is dead?).

    Thoughts?

  16. Beef

    I don’t like the stealing of the term “lone wolf”. I always admired the wolf who could run his own wolfing without the “pack” telling him how to wolf.

    He wasn’t killing other wolfs, sex was the driver. Couldn’t scrape together his own harem.

    These other nutjobs should be termed “rogue wolf”.

  17. Infidel Tiger

    I hope Waleed Aly is on a watch list after today’s column.

  18. Infidel Tiger

    Lone Wolf my arse.

    We are dealing with a Wolf Pack.

  19. John Haldane on Aquinas and Realism out. This is a good historical and philosophical introduction.

  20. Infidel Tiger

    So Jihad Boy was on the FBI watch list but not the ASIO watch list. FMD.

    And these bumbling bureaucrats want to read my email. Fuck them to hell.

  21. “And these bumbling bureaucrats want to read my email. Fuck them to hell.”

    They already are reading your e-mails, now they just want to make it all the more legal…

  22. .

    Precisely, IT.

    Kill the terrorists and leave the rest of us the hell alone.

  23. Lysander

    We are dealing with a Wolf Pack.

    As Mark Steyn said “this Monis was member 2407 of the Lone Wolf Club”

  24. Infidel Tiger

    “And these bumbling bureaucrats want to read my email. Fuck them to hell.”

    They already are reading your e-mails, now they just want to make it all the more legal…

    Well the should stop reading my email and start doing their goddamn job.

  25. Roger

    To ask the SAS to take over, it’s a major call of pride to say no you can’t handle it,” the officer said.’

    Which is why the decision should be taken out of local commander’s hands…and those of state politicians who presently have the power to decline specialist military assistance.

    As I commented yesterday, one of the first items on the national security council’s agenda in review should have been how to legally and operationally facilitate the injection of special forces under Commonwealth command in such situations.

  26. Mr Rusty

    Ex-Vietnam military and police clerks/traffic on Catallaxy need to know that the military and police have vastly different training for incidents and much care is taken as t when the civilian power will ever hand over to the other. Doing so has had serious consequences in the past (Gibralter anyone?)

    Operation Flavius had the perfect outcome. Three very dead terrorist scumbags, who had most of their major vital organs replaced with lead, no casualties military or civilian and the SAS becoming even more feared.
    As much as I know the whole Martin Place thing would have ended well had the military been involved, I believe the decision to not call on them was done because it would then legitimise it as a Nation vs Islam conflict and acknowledging this reality is just too much for our gutless pollies, media and leftscum infected populace.

  27. Geriatric Mayfly

    One presumes that Moni will be on the slab today, as infidels sift through his carcass. Old Mo (PBUH) had brain farts to cover all contingencies. Surely, this scenario would leave him none best pleased. Can the experts on the texts, confirm or state otherwise?

  28. Roger

    Sincere question for the very well informed on the Cat…

    When Islam says it looks to a world caliphate; is that actual or symbolic?

    Actual, Lysander.

    And in response to your comparison with the Christian eschatological hope, the Caliphate is a political entity, not a spiritual one like the kingdom of heaven. When I say spiritual I don’t mean “allegorical”, but inaugurated by God – real, but not brought about by human hands. The Caliphate is inaugurated by human hands, or should that be arms [pun intended]?

  29. Motelier

    Maybe Jihad Boy should be cremated.

    Just saying.

  30. Seco

    Apologies if it’s already been said but I’m wondering if Natasha Stott Despoja has issued a statement denouncing the Pakistani school killings?

    The Taliban must be shaking in their boots at the thought of what she’ll say.

  31. egg_

    As much as I know the whole Martin Place thing would have ended well had the military been involved, I believe the decision to not call on them was done because it would then legitimise it as a Nation vs Islam conflict and acknowledging this reality is just too much for our gutless pollies, media and leftscum infected populace.

    +1

    I’m sure the cops could have blown away jihadi joe, had they wished to.

  32. I am the Walrus, Koo Koo K'choo

    Am in Martin Place. The scene is quite striking. Packed with people and strewn with bouquets. Lindt Cafe closed off from the public. All v. moving.

  33. Lysander

    And in response to your comparison with the Christian eschatological hope, the Caliphate is a political entity, not a spiritual one like the kingdom of heaven. When I say spiritual I don’t mean “allegorical”, but inaugurated by God – real, but not brought about by human hands. The Caliphate is inaugurated by human hands, or should that be arms [pun intended]?

    Interesting; thanks Roger.

    I know Tolkein wrote Lord of the Rings as a quest for “Men of the West” against the “Men of the East.”

  34. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Tom at 11:14 am:

    “Clusterfuck update:

    His lawyer was contacted and asked to come and help police find a key to getting Monis to give himself up. The FBI passed on information that Monis was on its watch list.

    So Jihad Boy was on the FBI watch list but not the ASIO watch list. FMD.”

    At first I think “Oh tell me it isn’t so!” but then I realise it matters not because his lawyer would indignantly point out that they are not entitled to consult an FBI, AFP, NSW Keystone Cops, Medicare, Frequent Flyer or Golden Casket Winners Circle list because “invasion of privacy”, “prejudicial”, “profiling”, “racist”.

  35. rickw

    I have real problems with cockhead amateurs who think they could react like a trained expert
    in a once in a life time event.

    Believe it or not, the cockhead amateurs have a massive advantage over experts such as the professional Police etc.

    Why? Because the cockhead amateur will have been there from the OUTSET, the cockhead amateur knows EXACTLY who the bad guy is.

    When the “professionals” arrive, they absolutely no idea who the bad guy is. This is exactly why so frequently the “professionals” do not manage to have a very positive impact on situations.

    I had this experience just last week (I work in the 3rd world). Commotion going on outside the site gate, I turn up to see worker 1 giving worker 2 a right old flogging, everyone else just standing around watching. Rather than intervene which was my immediate instinct, I asked one of the watchers what was going on. The answer was that worker 2 had turned up drunk, and knocked out one of the security guards when he was refused entry to the site, worker 1 was now in the process of balancing the ledger. So I to stood and watched.

    The cockhead amateur had the situation completely under control. Any “professional” arriving at the scene would have been just as clueless as I was.

  36. Roger

    Interesting; thanks Roger.

    Welcome, Lysander.

    Tolkien makes for good reading in the current climate.

    I have no doubt the West will survive in some form, God willing, but we’re going to have to re-learn some forgotten wisdom along the way and that only comes about by suffering, I’m afraid.

  37. Lysander

    Tolkien makes for good reading in the current climate.

    Agreed; but I was saddened to have been too busy yesterday to engage in the CS Lewis quotefest!

  38. Percy

    No doubt this has been linked to previously, but I’ve only just managed to summon the courage to check out The Drum. As expected

    Yes, it was a Muslim man who held those hostages, causing the death of two. What this should tell us is that our global society has a problem with violence. More specifically, we have a problem with widespread male violence and an unwillingness to even recognise, let alone confront it.

    As a man, should I now fear anti-male backlash? Will I need to take a sympathetic woman with me to protect me from bigotted female violence next time I go to town? Surely women know that it is only the extreme, or fundamentalist, men that commit these types of crimes?

  39. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    I touched on this disaster last night with a mate in his late 40’s who moved here from South Africa 5 years ago.

    He summarily dismissed the inept management of the whole thing, telling me it would be resolved within minutes in their cities by any number of ordinary men like him*, who legally carry weapons, intervening decisively in the knowledge that such situations inevitably get worse with time. “We routinely live with chaos, volatility and serious threat and we do not have the luxury of inviting more of that.”

    * compulsory national service in his twenties, extended, then followed by four years of an evidently quite demanding reservist program.

  40. egg_

    More specifically, we have a problem with widespread male violence and an unwillingness to even recognise, let alone confront it.

    Plenty of female suicide bombers in the ME, frightbat squadron.

  41. Mr Rusty

    I think this proves decisively one thing.
    We waste our time arguing and debating with the left.

    Yes, which is why you shouldn’t. Give them both barrels at every opportunity you can this week.

    Via their pissant, anti-Western, anti-human, vile ideology they have supported and encouraged that turds path to martyrdom every step of the way, metaphorically lining the streets and cheering him on as he came through the backdoor, preached hate, rorted the system, killed his wife, wrote letters to the families of dead soldiers and even when he was killing innocent Aussies the left are inventing stories and hashtags to build a new high moral ground because the one they were standing on is now dripping with blood (again).

    Any leftard who dares open their mouth at me this week to discuss Martin Place will be told very directly to FOAD because the blood is on their hands and I will make damn sure they wear it.

  42. Infidel Tiger

    I have no doubt the West will survive in some form, God willing, but we’re going to have to re-learn some forgotten wisdom along the way and that only comes about by suffering, I’m afraid.

    Cooking with fire, making shelter in the bush and basic operations without anaesthesia for a start.

    Devolution is fun.

  43. Andreas

    More specifically, we have a problem with widespread male violence and an unwillingness to even recognise, let alone confront it.

    #illridewithmen

  44. calli

    I know Tolkein wrote Lord of the Rings as a quest for “Men of the West” against the “Men of the East.”

    Curiously, Lewis’s Narnia books feature “Calormen” as the foe, and Tash the opposite of Aslan. At one stage is the story, it is proposed by the wicked Ape that they are one in the same, “Tashlan”. Both Tolkien and Lewis were devout Christian men, and there is an unmistakeable hint of prophecy in their work.

    As for hastening Christ’s return, the Bible makes it clear that we can neither hasten nor hinder it. In God’s diary, the date is marked in indelible ink and is based on events completely out of our control. (Have a squiz at Mark 13).

  45. Roger

    Cooking with fire, making shelter in the bush and basic operations without anaesthesia for a start.

    All useful skills, IT.

    But discerning good and evil was what I had in mind.

    For about a generation now we’ve been assured neither really exists.

    I’m afraid we’ll have to realise we are in a battle with evil before we can re-discover the good – I’m speaking generally about our culture.

  46. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Andreas at 12:16 pm:

    ” More specifically, we have a problem with widespread male violence and an unwillingness to even recognise, let alone confront it.

    #illridewithmen”

    I’m here for the information flow and opinions; and I’m also here for the spontaneous fun and humour.

    Good stuff Andreas.

    I’d be delighted if someone could insert that into whatever slot gets it into the lefties’ twit-for-brains network.

  47. Infidel Tiger

    But discerning good and evil was what I had in mind.

    Yes, I have had many people tell me there is no such thing as evil. Usually atheists who also assure me that ghosts and aliens are real.

    Strange world.

  48. Last one on the new fred is a rotten egg.

  49. johanna

    I know Tolkein wrote Lord of the Rings as a quest for “Men of the West” against the “Men of the East.”

    Not so. He explicitly denied that, saying “I have always cordially detested allegory in all its forms.” In other words, he regarded “art with a message” as the province of the Left, and inferior artists.

  50. duncanm

    Percy,

    regarding that Drum tosh from Ruby Hamad, it is very instructive to see that the tide is well against her in the comments.

    Not like the typical Drum comment threads at all.

    People have had enough.

  51. Roger

    Yes, I have had many people tell me there is no such thing as evil.

    And people who don’t believe in evil, IT, don’t believe in the good, even if they think they do.

  52. twostix

    Plenty of female suicide bombers in the ME, frightbat squadron.

    Not to mention all the mothers, aunties, sisters and love interests who gee up their sons, nephews, young brothers, etc to advance the cause and viciously ridicule, humiliate and shame them if they don’t.

    Like western women who – led by the Suffragettes – shamed and humiliated young men during WW1 who weren’t at the front.

  53. Alfonso

    Lone wolf? No, wolves are competent.
    Try ‘Rabid jihadist Poodle.’

  54. Infidel Tiger

    People have had enough.

    I think so to.

    #illridewithyou died a quick death and was actually a damp squib by twitter standards.

  55. egg_

    Where’s Wally says Jihadi Joe was “insignificant”?

    “Lone Wolf”?

    ISLAM NOslam?

  56. thefrollickingmole

    Bob “Thats not a ballbag, its a bile sack” Ellis and his merry band of loons waddle on, leaving rancid thought puddles on the internet.

    It would seem the hostages have been required to keep silent on what happened.

    This is because, I would think, Man Monis proposed to release five of them if he could talk to Tony Abbott, and Tony Abbott refused to talk to him, and the police said no-one could publish or broadcast this request. Or it may be Man Monis was dead or wounded before the fire-fight, which then wounded the four that were wounded, and killed the two who died.

    Or it may be none of those things. What is certain, though, is that fifteen witnesses of events broadcast across the world have not been interviewed on television, or published in The Guardian, or the smh, for a reason that is political.

    It is likely that, as in the tasering of the nude young man, it was a hot-blooded cock-up, and hostages were fired on in the dark when the ‘terrorist’ was already immobilised. It is likely that, because of this, Abbott has not rung or visited any of the survivors yet, or either of the families of the deceased. This omission is unique in our national history. It must indicate he is afraid of what they would say to him; accusing him, perhaps, of not doing what he could to save them, simply talk to Man Monis about Afghanistan.

    Scipione said the police ‘saved lives, saved many lives.’ It is worth noting that of the seventeen hostages, eleven got away without police help, two were killed, one most likely by police gunfire, and four were wounded, also, probably, by police gunfire. At best, four lives were saved, and also endangered, out of seventeen.

    We should not be complicit in this cover-up, if it is a cover-up. We should diligently seek out the witnesses and ask what happened. We should ask why the police, not a coroner, are conducting the coronial investigation.

    We should not be conned.

    Not this time.

    Not this time.

    Rancid, foul old slug… oh and his comment-whores..
    Labor needs to show leadership and call for a Royal Commission, so to go over the heads of the Police and their Police Integrity Commission.
    ….
    ow.
    I presume that the video still exists? Or has it been deleted to ‘protect the Australian people’ – ahem, absolve Tony Abbott?

    Followed by the worlds largest Douche chiming in with his thought-farts.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ8ZYAvWTxo
    Russel “Im too clever for politics “Brand…

  57. calli

    This hashtag stuff is the silliest craze since the Che T-shirt. (There may have been others, but I was too busy to notice 🙂 )

    At least the useful idiot had to actually take the trouble to buy and wear Che and cop a spray in person. In our virtual world, the moron simply pretends to care by adding a tag. London to a brick, none of these chumps have got off their derrières to ‘ride’ with anyone.

  58. john constantine

    Have seen some violent rage filled emotions posted by swampies on their facetwit thingies.

    Even aimed at the wife-burner.

    It seems that the swampies resent being placed in a terrible position, and they feel that their endless hours of narrative creation are threatened by these unfortunate actions of someone that

    “isn’t one of our muslims”.

    The lefts muslims are seen as those that are willing cannon fodder in the real war against the abbottbeast.Like the dying days of byzantium, those waging civil war are so consumed by their hatred, that they are willing to invite the caliphate in to gain some temporary advantage.

    Not the caliphate’s fault, it is what is, never pretended to be different.That the left assume that they can lecture islam until ramadan becomes a secular holiday like christmas, that the left assumes that australian islam will turn its back on god when instructed by the greens and celebrate gay vegan athiesm as core values–how long will this assumption last?.

    I honestly think that anything except suicide bombing a frightbat festival would be blamed on tories and put in the forgettery.

    [why didn’t the wife-burner just kill the abbottbeast? dream the swampies]

  59. Silly me, I fell for Hammy’s joke.

    Smoked Ham on wry?

    Egg gets line of the day.

  60. calli

    Not so. He explicitly denied that, saying “I have always cordially detested allegory in all its forms.” In other words, he regarded “art with a message” as the province of the Left, and inferior artists.

    True, Johanna. But he had to pick men from somewhere. He also made it clear that the Men of the West were not at all innocent in bringing about their decline.

  61. egg_

    the police, not a coroner, are conducting the coronial investigation.

    WTF?!?

  62. calli

    their own decline

    Must prof red bettr.

  63. .

    Usually the police submit evidence/reports to the coroner, sometimes on their order/request/quasi judicial compulsion.

    If the cops are playing coroner, they’re now acting as judicial officers, which is clearly screwed up.

    http://www.judcom.nsw.gov.au/publications/benchbks/local/coronial_matters.html

    It’s all in the P79A form, usually, unless further forensic investigation is warranted.

  64. Makka

    So he wasn’t on an ASIO watchlist but the FBI knew of him (cooperation ?) and even Iran raised the alarm on this POS Monis back in 2000. The NSW Gov’t didn’t call in the SASR because of pride but allowed him to walk the streets freely after numerous violent and hateful acts. How many incompetence holes in pieces of Swiss cheese lined up here? ;

    http://www.theage.com.au/world/sydney-siege-iran-says-it-requested-extradition-of-gunman-man-haron-monis-in-2000-20141217-128qoi.html

    “Iranian police had requested the extradition of Man Haron Monis, the gunman who was shot dead in the Martin Place siege, 14 years ago but Australian authorities would not hand him over, Iran’s police chief has claimed in comments to reporters.

    Monis had committed a number of “violent” and fraud-related offences before he fled the country “in disguise” in 1996, according to Iran’s chief of police, General Ismail Ahmadi Moghaddam.”

  65. Percy

    #illridewithyou died a quick death

    Most people looked at it and thought “Fuck that!”. Still too soon after London is my guess.

  66. johanna

    Calli, IIRC, at the time he said the words I quoted, people were trying to draw analogies between LoTR and the World Wars. It really annoyed him.

    Good vs Evil, sure. But any explicit comparisons with political events were absolutely rejected by him.

  67. Percy

    This hashtag stuff is the silliest craze since the Che T-shirt.

    #cheshirtsarecool

  68. Seco

    duncanm

    #1543115, posted on December 17, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    Percy,

    regarding that Drum tosh from Ruby Hamad, it is very instructive to see that the tide is well against her in the comments.

    Not like the typical Drum comment threads at all.

    People have had enough.

    I agree, sure social media is all over the #hashtag bullshit but the talk around water coolers is far less sympathetic.

  69. Driftforge

    More specifically, we have a problem with widespread male violence

    No. We have a problem with a widespread incapacity for male violence in the service of society. We lack people with the capacity for violence and the character to use that capacity in the service of the community. We leave society with the only men capable (and permitted) the use of violence being those either professionally employed to utilise it, or those who seek to use it for their own ends, or for the ends of another society.

    Transferring the responsibility for violence to the state is just as detrimental to the character as transferring the responsibility for charity is.

  70. calli

    I’m in furious agreement with you Johanna.

    As illustrated so well on this blog, the #illridewithyou bulldust has carked it because it’s so easy to parody.

    And this unfortunate grouping of words from The Bobster:

    It is likely that, as in the tasering of the nude young man, it was a hot-blooded cock-up

    Benny Hill at his finest.

  71. Tel

    Bob Ellis:

    We should diligently seek out the witnesses and ask what happened. We should ask why the police, not a coroner, are conducting the coronial investigation.

    The police media release was:

    The police operation has concluded and the investigations into entire incident will be overseen by the Professional Standards Command.

    All information will be provided to the Coroner who will determine the cause of and make any findings about the events leading to the deaths.

    The Coroner’s Office said:

    The bodies of the three persons will be examined at the Glebe mortuary by a forensic pathologist who will provide a report to the state coroner concerning the cause and the manner of their deaths.

    The NSW Police Force has declared a ‘critical incident’. The Homicide Squad has been tasked with conducting a full investigation of the deaths at the Lindt cafe.

    An inquest is mandatory under the Coroners Act as these deaths occurred in the course of a police operation. The state coroner will conduct an inquest as soon as is reasonably practicable.

    At this early stage the state coroner is not in a position to identify the issues that will be considered at the inquest.

    Seems pretty normal to me.

  72. nilk

    When Islam says it looks to a world caliphate; is that actual or symbolic?

    It’s actual. Look to all the different groups around the world, including our very own Hizb ut Tahrir franchise. They all sing from the same sheet.

  73. Tel

    If the cops are playing coroner, they’re now acting as judicial officers, which is clearly screwed up.

    There’s no evidence at all the cops are playing coroner, it’s a Bob Ellis report only.

  74. notafan

    I note that the murdered wife was only thirty years old, is that the same one he wanted brought out from Iran

    Background on Sheik Haron/Monis from the American muslim site

  75. Andreas

    #illridewithyou died a quick death

    It’s still trending on twitter so I’m not sure that’s true.

  76. Grigory M

    the police, not a coroner, are conducting the coronial investigation

    Source? Link?

  77. notafan

    Noticed that Monis ‘s lawyer called the bail decision ‘couragous’ at the time

    Original article on murder of ex wive case

  78. Ros

    Rereading Keane Oct, complaining about security being boosted at Parliament House.

    “Just for a moment, we saw publicly exposed how politicians exploit terrorism, producing national security based on bigotry, bullshit and Chinese whispers………..

    But the lack of evidence of a threat isn’t a problem any longer, because the “lone wolf attack” is the new black in terrorism narratives. “Lone wolf” terrorism is an answer to what you do when you can no longer credibly talk of an “existential” terrorist threat…………..

    “The “lone wolf” theme complements the “viral” theory of terrorism, that Islamist extremist terrorism does not?—?as repeatedly argued by intelligence and law enforcement agencies?—?happen in response to Western military interventions in Muslim countries, but because individuals somehow contract the disease of terrorism, either via interpersonal encounters or, increasingly, via exposure, to use David Irvine’s wonderful phrase, to unfettered ideas on the internet. And while devoting law enforcement and intelligence resources to stopping “lone wolves” is considered a waste, the positive side is that they can justify a permanent heightened sense of fear about the terrorist threat.

    The reality of “terrorism” is rather different. We’ve noted previously the way in which political violence by white people, mostly white males, isn’t seen as terrorism in the same way that violence by Muslims is. And the role of mental illness and drug use in terrorism receives little attention. Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, the Ottawa gunman, was a crack addict with a long history of drug addiction and mental instability who had repeatedly tried to get imprisoned in order to escape drugs. In New York, the Newburgh Four, a group serving 25 years in jail for a 2009 plot to bomb synagogues and shoot down military aircraft?—? a plot organised and led by an FBI informant from the start ?—?involved a group of desperately poor drug users and a schizophrenic.

    In fact, the FBI has a history of entrapping mentally ill people in terror plots: a Californian man sentenced to 15 years in prison for planning to blow up a bank as part of his “jihad” had a history of mental illnesses and substance abuse. Like the FBI, terrorist recruiters also tend to target the mentally unstable as likely to be more responsive to their overtures. Australian IS member Mohammad Baryalei also has a history of drug abuse and mental illness; another Australian involved with IS, Khaled Sharrouf, was diagnosed as having chronic schizophrenia, delusions, and a long history of drug use.

    This doesn’t fit the national security narrative particularly well: politicians and the media prefer to portray terrorism as binary?—?you’re either a terrorist or you’re not, you’re wilfully evil or you’re not. Recognising that mental illness may play a role in some circumstances where an individual embraces political or religious violence might?—?like recognising that “Muslims do not ‘hate our freedom,’ but rather, they hate our policies”?—?disrupt the convenient notion that we are innocent, passive victims of irrational evil. It might encourage the idea that we are not targeted purely because of our Western values, but rather for what we do or fail to do?—?like failing to provide sufficient resources to ensure vulnerable, marginalised people can access effective mental health services.”

    A number of thoughts, as the FBI had the sod on their watch list maybe he was entrapped by them to kill Australians. And now that we have had another “lone wolf” attack is it no longer the “new black”?

    Have we heard from Mr Keane or is he keeping his head down? I refuse to contribute to that mob so am unable to read what pearls of wisdom they are casting at us swine this time. Anyone know?

    This mentally ill claim, beloved of US defence lawyers. Has he ever been diagnosed? Or treated.

    To allow a nasty “evil” sod the label mentally ill is to excuse them. Where is the line drawn on responsibility for actions. His actions were deliberate and organised, he knew what he was doing. His history speaks of a man who has spent his life lying, stealing and hurting. Why is he any more of a psychopath than the ISIS. Are they all therefore to be excused because of their sick minds.

    His tipping point was probably his loss in the High Court and the likelihood that his other charges would put him away for a long time. That doesn’t make him mentally unwell. Just cornered and in anger decided to hurt others, as he has always done. That along with others his justifying ideology was Islam, makes his act one of terror, not just the confused crimes of a mentally ill man. Rejected by the Shia community his act had the bonus of brownie points with another mob.

    Those hostages were the victims of wilful evil, religious terror in this case.

  79. Infidel Tiger

    #illridewithyou died a quick death

    It’s still trending on twitter so I’m not sure that’s true.

    #putyourbatsout was magnitudes bigger and went for a week.

    Illexplodewithyou is still popular amongst Australia’s twitterati,who number about 60 people, but that’s it.

    I’ll bet I could make #deportthetrash go viral but I don’t operate in that space.

  80. Mr T

    the police, not a coroner, are conducting the coronial investigation

    Police always investigate deaths/fires and report to the coroner. This is nothing new. The coroner then runs the inquest. Why is this suddenly controversial?

  81. Makka

    I’ll bet I could make #deportthetrash go viral but I don’t operate in that space.

    That’s a shame.

  82. Tom

    It is worth noting that of the seventeen hostages, eleven got away without police help, two were killed, one most likely by police gunfire, and four were wounded, also, probably, by police gunfire. At best, four lives were saved, and also endangered, out of seventeen.

    So of the 17 hostages:

    *11 (65%) took the decision to risk their lives and save themselves.
    *Of the remaining six who relied on “the authorities” to rescue them, two (33%) were shot dead and four (66%) were wounded, one critically, either by the authorities or the man the authorities had had 16 hours to kill, but chose not to.

  83. notafan

    In the UK it’s
    #illridewithyouinataxi

    Not pygmalian well likely

  84. Makka

    “Monis had committed a number of “violent” and fraud-related offences before he fled the country “in disguise” in 1996, according to Iran’s chief of police, General Ismail Ahmadi Moghaddam.

    At the time, Monis went by the name of Mohammad Hassan Manteqi. He fled first to Malaysia in 1996 and then to Australia, General Moghaddam claimed”
    Monis applied for, and was in 2001 granted, refugee status in Australia.

    General Moghaddam told the Iranian Mehr News Agency that Monis posed as a cleric at the time to gain political asylum. Earlier Monis had been the manager of a travel agency in Iran, authorities there said.

    General Moghaddam said Iranian police spent four years collecting evidence against Monis, before seeking his extradition to Iran from Australia.

    But that request was knocked back, General Moghaddam claimed.

    “It lasted four years to collect evidence on Manteqi’s [Monis’] identification documents and we reported this to the Australian police but since Australia has no extradition treaty with Iran, they didn’t extradite him,” General Moghaddam told the Mehr News Agency.

    Once the Australian government granted asylum to Monis, it would have been in breach of the Refugee Convention to send him back to Iran, unless it was proved that he had obtained that status through fraud.”

    http://www.theage.com.au/world/sydney-siege-iran-says-it-requested-extradition-of-gunman-man-haron-monis-in-2000-20141217-128qoi.html

    How many more like this have we let in?

  85. feelthebern

    Geez, twitter is a sewer isn’t it?
    A humorous sewer, but a sewer all the same.

  86. Tel

    In fact, the FBI has a history of entrapping mentally ill people in terror plots: a Californian man sentenced to 15 years in prison for planning to blow up a bank as part of his “jihad” had a history of mental illnesses and substance abuse. Like the FBI, terrorist recruiters also tend to target the mentally unstable as likely to be more responsive to their overtures.

    Yes, that’s quite true, the FBI do fake terrorist recruitment and mentally ill people are often taken in by it… then again, real terrorist organisations also find recruitment of unstable people is useful to them. Are the FBI wrong to scoop up the people who would probably sooner or later end up in the hands of real terrorist recruiters?

    I don’t have an easy answer on that one. Both options are discomforting.

  87. Tel

    Monis applied for, and was in 2001 granted, refugee status in Australia.

    Monis was a con-artist who told them what they wanted to hear, some story about being a high level cleric who had offended the Iranian authorities and was on the run. Same story with his “hands on” spiritual healing center, another of his scams.

  88. calli

    This mentally ill claim, beloved of US defence lawyers. Has he ever been diagnosed? Or treated.

    It’s easier to label someone “mentally ill” than to confront and acknowledge wickedness. To do that would be to open a Pandora’s Box of uncomfortable truths.

    For Lysander:

    “When a man is getting better he understands more and more clearly the evil that is still left in him. When a man is getting worse he understands his own badness less and less. A moderately bad man knows he is not very good: a thoroughly bad man thinks he is all right. This is common sense, really. You understand sleep when you are awake, not while you are sleeping. You can see mistakes in arithmetic when your mind is working properly: while you are making them you cannot see them. You can understand the nature of drunkenness when you are sober, not when you are drunk. Good people know about both good and evil: bad people do not know about either.” C.S.Lewis

    #cslewisquotesrock
    😀

  89. Viva

    My own particular nightmare is multiple repetitions of the Bombay hotel/Kenya shopping centre assaults

    Squawkbox check Google World. We are not located cheek by jowl with Pakistan or Somalia.

  90. Giffy

    As notafan wrote earlier –
    Multiculturalism allows Muslim leaders to send us a message after this act of terror :
    “………… Australians are learning not to backlash with their hard looks and unkind words when we kill some of them …………”.
    It should be no surprise that Muslim leaders are emboldened.
    Jerzy Zubrzycki fathered this multiculture, something Australia did not need; he may not have been happy with the word “multiculture”, but that’s what we got. He meant well? It counts for little.
    What would he make of these Muslim leaders? He’s dead now – can’t ask him – but it didn’t quite work out the way he claimed it would.

  91. feelthebern

    Checking out on some of the news.com.au coverage.
    One of the cards left with flowers in martin place had the #illridewithyou written on it.
    Errrrr….the guys in the café needed protection FROM the #illridewithyou crowd.

  92. Infidel Tiger

    #illzipyourbodybagup

  93. John Comnenus

    Viva,

    The problem is that a mass train station, hotel or shopping centre attack requires little planning, almost no skill and only a gun or two. Once Jihadists stop focussing on hardened targets it is almost impossible to prevent such an attack by one or two individual Jihadis operating with little direction other than a general guidance to attack.

  94. feelthebern

    #illfakebeingsorryforwhateveryoneknowsisupport

  95. Roger

    “In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future.”

    Alexander Solzhenistyn, The Gulag Archipelago, 1918-1956

  96. feelthebern

    #icantwaittogoonQ&Atosaythiswasntbecausesofislam

  97. Mr Rusty

    Now that the PoS record in Iran is emerging and the reasons he ran here are now obvious I wonder if deadshit Halal-Dugong and the other useful idiots will continue to run the “refugees running from persecution” meme.

  98. feelthebern

    I acknowledge the traditional owners of Martin Place, the peaceful tribe of Islam.

  99. Combine Dave

    #iridewiththehostages

    I received a very negative response when posting that on fb.

  100. Viva

    we can’t have the PM chatting with nutcases in the middle of the night

    He’s too busy having to chat with the nut cases in the Senate.

  101. feelthebern

    I received a very negative response when posting that on fb.

    It’s times like these where you see the real fibre of peoples fabric.

  102. calli

    #iridewiththehostages

    I received a very negative response when posting that on fb.

    A virtual negative response, Dave. None of the champs would confront you personally…you being a 150kg maori bouncer and all… 🙂

  103. Cold-Hands

    Maybe Jihad Boy should be cremated.
    Just saying.

    No, we should respect his beliefs.

    Bury him wrapped in a pigskin.

  104. Slayer of Memes

    Now that the PoS record in Iran is emerging and the reasons he ran here are now obvious I wonder if deadshit Halal-Dugong and the other useful idiots will continue to run the “refugees running from persecution” meme.

    That was rhetorical, right mr Rusty?

    Of Course they’re going to keep pushing that meme.

    After all, this was just a “lone wolf” “common criminal” “nutjob” “nothing to do with Islam” “Muslims are the real victims here”…

  105. egg_

    Why is this suddenly controversial?

    Deaths possibly at the hands of cops?

  106. one old bruce

    As soon as I understood the location of the cafe a thought came to me, that Israeli experts would have spotted the problems with such city locations which we might miss due to over-familiarity. (Obviously the gunman saw it too!) At least I believe that Israeli terror experts are 2nd to none. And their success rate is unequaled. If tax money hired Israeli experts to advise our police I’d say it was well spent.

  107. feelthebern

    A couple of years ago, an Israeli big wig was at a gig at the Weston (Sydney).
    A Blackhawk hovered above the building for over an hour.
    I’m not sure how that kept him safe.

  108. RationilisationHamster

    Steve Sailer seems to have tracked down Tessa “#illridewiyhyou” Kumm blog: some choice bits.

    Note PoC and WoC seems to mean Person of Colour etc

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-media-heroine-of-the-australian-counterbacklash-has-some-issues/
    “As a WoC I feel cheap

    Not worth as much to you, white person, as your fellow white people.

    I’m learning about hate because I am coming to hate you, white person. You have all the control, all the power, all the privilege, and there is nothing holding you accountable. I hate the double standards and hypocrisy you display, the rank dishonesty of your conduct. I hate that you can harm us, when we cannot harm you. I hate that you have actually impacted on careers, multiple and not even directly, with your hypocrisy. I hate that you’re so dominant in the publishing industry there’s very few venues I’d consider safe to even submit to now. I hate what you have done to PoC I don’t know. I hate what you have done to PoC I do know. I hate what you have done to me, and I was not involved. “

  109. Slayer of Memes

    A couple of years ago, an Israeli big wig was at a gig at the Weston (Sydney).
    A Blackhawk hovered above the building for over an hour.
    I’m not sure how that kept him safe.

    Downdraft blew the burkas off…

  110. Slayer of Memes

    #islamdunkbodiesinbags

    is that:

    #Islam dunk bodies in bags

    or

    #I slam dunk bodies in bags…

  111. one old bruce

    For Tom:
    ‘So of the 17 hostages:
    *11 (65%) took the decision to risk their lives and save themselves.
    *Of the remaining six who relied on “the authorities” to rescue them, two (33%) were shot dead and four (66%) were wounded, one critically, either by the authorities or the man the authorities had had 16 hours to kill, but chose not to.’
    and
    ‘At best, four lives were saved, and also endangered, out of seventeen.’

    Some of that should be on a headline. I know plod’s got a hard job, but this is serious. If he can’t cope, he should bring in those with plenty of direct experience of this stuff. We all want to feel safe again.

  112. egg_

    is that:

    #Islam dunk bodies in bags

    or

    #I slam dunk bodies in bags…

    Depends if they’re ‘lone wolves’?

  113. one old bruce

    Sorry, ‘From Tom’.

  114. Tel

    Now that the PoS record in Iran is emerging and the reasons he ran here are now obvious I wonder if deadshit Halal-Dugong and the other useful idiots will continue to run the “refugees running from persecution” meme.

    I’m sure many are genuine refugees and some are bullshit artists like this one, the difficulty is figuring out which is which. What we do is stick them in detention for a few years, pretend to do some background research, subject them to a bit of mild hardship, see if they want to change their story and go home.

    If they stick with it through that, we let them in until the quota fills up.

  115. rickw

    The Wolves

    The Muslim Community had this animal grow up in their midst, they liked him so much that had has 14,000 Facebook likes. They only put distance between him and them when the killing started, but there is still plenty of evidence of the threads that bind such as the Facebook likes.

    I have no doubt that there are many in the Muslim Community who still hold this animal dear, and who consider him to be a heroic brother in arms.

    We don’t have a lone wolf problem, we don’t have a wolf pack problem, we have a community of wolves problem.

    Consider how you would feel if a member of your church, football club or organization did this. You would want to curl up and die, you would be sick in your stomach.

    What does the Muslim Community do? The exact opposite, they parade, they pray, they wear the hajib to show of Islam when they should be dying of embarrassment.

    The only way that such a response makes any sense is if they be ultimately deep down believe that the actions of this animal were somehow justified.

  116. Combine Dave

    A virtual negative response, Dave. None of the champs would confront you personally…you being a 150kg maori bouncer and all…

    Sadly too many of these know me in the flesh.

  117. Token

    #illridewithyou died a quick death

    Maybe people realised what that actually meant.

    This guy – Mick Tailor I think – seems keen to give the girls a lift…

  118. one old bruce

    Richard Fernandez asks a very good question. Who was paying all the gumnan’s legal fees?

    http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2014/12/15/making-bail/#more-40993

  119. Fred

    Who was paying his legal fees? Well who do you think? Try,the Mug Taxpayer and why not he’s been on welfare from the day he arrived here so why wouldn’t he get his legals funded by the same mugs who kept him housed,clothed and fed?

  120. Combine Dave

    (they all know I’m a 30kg thai girl)

    /kidding

  121. Token

    Once again JH provides clarity his successor should pay attention to:

    JOHN Howard has described the hostage-taking and shootings in Sydney’s Martin Place as an “act of terror”.

    Speaking after placing flowers at the makeshift memorial in Martin Place just near his own office the former Prime Minister said he was saddened like the 23 million Australians

  122. Combine Dave

    #illridewithyou died a quick death

    Maybe people realised what that actually meant.

    Outside twatter everyone blames the extremist muzzos?

  123. calli

    Combine Dave
    #1543316, posted on December 17, 2014 at 3:04 pm
    (they all know I’m a 30kg thai girl)

    Bullies and racists and misogynists! I knew it.

  124. Combine Dave

    I’m sure many are genuine refugees and some are bullshit artists like this one, the difficulty is figuring out which is which. What we do is stick them in detention for a few years, pretend to do some background research, subject them to a bit of mild hardship, see if they want to change their story and go home.

    If they stick with it through that, we let them in until the quota

    Good plan. Although I’d suggest that cutting the quota and cutting aid to any country that openly works against us (Indonesia) or simply doesnt need our aid anymore (China/India?) would also be a good respnse.

  125. Senile Old Guy

    Calli, IIRC, at the time he said the words I quoted, people were trying to draw analogies between LoTR and the World Wars. It really annoyed him.

    Good vs Evil, sure. But any explicit comparisons with political events were absolutely rejected by him.

    I have read his collected letters and this is correct.

  126. Token

    Interesting note from Richard Fernandez.

    The foul mouthed twitter hate monger has defended the killer:

    It will also deeply sadden one his three lawyers, Chris Murphy, who accompanied him to court back in November, 2009 to defend him against charges of harassing the survivors of Australian military veterans.

    So we now know quite a number of people recognised him when they saw that famous photograph.

    In between his usual bile Murphy is disowning his former client (who can verify?)

    Again.I did not defend Haron Monis.I Met him once ’09.Spoke 10mins. Adjusted his bail Sacked him.#sydneysiege …

  127. twostix

    “Iranian police had requested the extradition of Man Haron Monis, the gunman who was shot dead in the Martin Place siege, 14 years ago but Australian authorities would not hand him over, Iran’s police chief has claimed in comments to reporters.

    The blowtorch has to be turned on to epic and pointed at the leftist refugee bureaucracy. They were (willingly) taken in hook line and sinker.

    Now consider how openly and immensely corrupt they were under Gillard and Rudd – literally waving people through with no checks at all. Then consider that 50,000 people arrived under that corrupt regime which Labor worked hard to build and maintain in order to flood the country with ALP voting third world shock troops.

    I bet there’s at least 1000 more Monis’s roaming around Australia now.

  128. Fred

    I wonder which ALP Branch Monis belonged to.

  129. Rudiau

    Retired NYPD cop John Cardillo weighed in on what he thinks the lessons for law enforcement are from the Sydney siege.

    * Draconian gun laws did nothing to prevent a terrorist from getting a gun.
    * One armed patron of cafe could have ended this quickly.
    * NSW Police Commissioner treating this like a local crime, not terror.
    * 5 hostages have escaped so they have ironclad intel.
    * Shooter has shown his face and body multiple times, yet snipers not given green light to shoot.
    * Police attitude is cavalier, letting spectators very close to crime scene
    * NSW Police so focused on downplaying terror, that they’ve unwittingly given terror 24 hours of global press.
    * Message sent to terrorists that Australia is now an easy target, and will get you billions of global eyeballs.
    * Global progressives already starting “It’s not Islam, it’s one guy.” Forgetting Ft. Hood and Richard Reid.
    * Hostage taker’s stock in eyes of global terror has risen. Putting him in prison instead of killing him enables him to become a recruiter.
    * ISIS plot to behead Sydney residents thwarted in Sept

    Developing…

  130. twostix

    Again.I did not defend Haron Monis.I Met him once ’09.Spoke 10mins. Adjusted his bail Sacked him.#sydneysiege …

    Bullshit!

    In court, his lawyer, Chris Murphy, said the sheik had been “preaching peace” and was “without a single blur” on his character.

    Murphy personally vouched for him:

    Mr Murphy said the letters did not contain threats, adding: “He is a peace activist, I used to be one during Vietnam.

    Murphy – the biggest filth and menacing leftist scumbag on all of Twitter – is fucking finished. Good riddance.

  131. H B Bear

    Well that is one for the books. Australia’s worst day trader trying to get himself removed from the story.

  132. Senile Old Guy

    At least one man has been charged with making a threatening phone call to a mosque in Auburn on Tuesday as police confirmed a surge in anti-Muslim sentiment.

    Didn’t take them 16 of “negotiations” to get this guy.

    The Dural man will face court in January after being released on bail. He has been charged with threatening to destroy property, using a carriage way to make a hoax threat, using a carriageway to threaten serious harm and using a carriageway to offend.

  133. Token

    * Police attitude is cavalier, letting spectators very close to crime scene
    * NSW Police so focused on downplaying terror, that they’ve unwittingly given terror 24 hours of global press.
    * Message sent to terrorists that Australia is now an easy target, and will get you billions of global eyeballs.
    * Global progressives already starting “It’s not Islam, it’s one guy.” Forgetting Ft. Hood and Richard Reid.

    All great points.

    I really was stunned people could gather so close to the event.

    Keep in mind chosing a site able to be seen from Channel 7 studios limited the police’s ability to control media access.

  134. I am the Walrus, Koo Koo K'choo

    Now consider how openly and immensely corrupt they were under Gillard and Rudd – literally waving people through with no checks at all. Then consider that 50,000 people arrived under that corrupt regime which Labor worked hard to build and maintain in order to flood the country with ALP voting third world shock troops

    Holy moly.

    Words can’t describe how appalling the Labor Party is.

  135. Makka

    It’s now reasonably clear that the “Authorities”; Immigration, ASIO, the NSW Judiciary, NSW Govt and Police leadership all combined in an almighty litany of clusterfvcks going back to 1996 that allowed this PoS vermin moslem to commit his crimes in Martin Place.

    The infuriating thing for me is that WE are being harangued to stay clam and be reasonable etc while these same Authorities completely ignore the obvious facts that could have prevented all this. They willfully ignore the public concerns, instead coming out hour after hour with this united propaganda bullshit. It’s infuriating to know this terrible act could easily have been prevented in any number of ways but due to the complete incompetence of the Authorities , more interested in ego, pride and appeasing Leftist slime, they bumbled along. Allowing this walking time bomb to enter our country then allow him freedom to molest, rape, murder and terrorise. Utterly disgraceful and outrageous.

    I would like to think that our federal Gov’t will actually get stuck into fixing this bloody bureaucratic and security mess but given the ball less appeasing crowd we have I’ll have to give that a miss. Unless of course they give the job to Morro.

  136. Infidel Tiger

    At least one man has been charged with making a threatening phone call to a mosque in Auburn on Tuesday as police confirmed a surge in anti-Muslim sentiment.

    “Please stop blowing things up”

    Is that threat you infidel dog?

  137. Infidel Tiger

    I really was stunned people could gather so close to the event.

    The state was prepared to sacrifice thousands of lives to prove to you that it wasn’t a terrorist.

    They are still desperate to prove it wasn’t.

  138. Infidel Tiger

    Just remember – they wouldn’t pull the trigger in case he was a walking bomb, but they had no problem with the crowds around the area.

  139. one old bruce

    Fred: ‘Who was paying his legal fees? Well who do you think? Try,the Mug Taxpayer…’

    Read what Fernandez says. He got very high level legal reps and the sort of results only high paid qc’s achieve. This was surely not mere ‘legal aid’ but something much better funded. I’m not suggesting a conspiracy but I hear there’s heaps of money to be had from Saudis for ‘muslim welfare’. I was told women even get an allowance from Saudi just for wearing hijab, or used to.

    If they can get so much from Saud why burden Aus, just for one thing?

  140. Makka

    And he was on OUR welfare to boot. I see the blame game starting. Scippione held off SASR because- pride- but starts finger pointing elsewhere. Plenty of blame to go round;

    “POLICE Commissioner Andrew Scipione has expressed his anger that Lindt Cafe gunman Man Haron Monis was out on bail and said he would have been under greater police scrutiny had he been on the national security watch list.

    Monis was on bail under old laws for the brutal murder of his second wife and 50 counts of sexually assaulting women when he carried out Monday’s terrifying hostage siege in Martin Place.

    It also emerged on Wednesday that the welfare bludger had been on an ASIO watch list until 2009 but fell off it as it was deemed he no longer met the threshold. “

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/sydney-siege-police-commissioner-blasts-man-haron-monis-bail-failure/story-fnii5s3y-1227159611436

  141. RationilisationHamster

    For one old Bruce,

    “plod’s got a hard job, but this is serious. If he can’t cope, he should bring in those with plenty of direct experience of this stuff. We all want to feel safe again.”

    I don’t know how much better the SAS might be, maybe better equipment, they maybe worse.

    I’m thinking that moments of hesitation the policemen has as he thinks about rights and getting sued might be a problem.

  142. RationilisationHamster

    @Makka,

    Seems Monis was a one man rape culture machine. One can feel sympathy with women that complain of such things. However as he was a Beige Muslim (PoC) we would have had a consciousness lowering exercise. I doubt the intersectional feminists were interested in questioning this.

  143. Makka

    ‘I’m thinking that moments of hesitation the policemen has as he thinks about rights and getting sued might be a problem.’

    I’m thinking his boss approving the shot will be worried about his career. The sniper would never be known.

    Abbott;

    “Mr Abbott said the review – which will be conducted by federal and NSW officials – would report back by the end of January and would focus on how gunman Man Haron Monis evaded authorities.

    This includes how he got permanent residency in Australia, why he was receiving welfare payments, how he got a gun licence, why he was allowed out into the community on bail and why he had fallen off the terror watch list in 2009.

    Mr Abbott said he would “not rest” until he was confident that Australians were as safe as the government could make them.

    He said there was “incredulity” in the national security committee of cabinet when it was briefed on the details of Mr Monis’ life. “

  144. feelthebern

    Well that is one for the books. Australia’s worst day trader trying to get himself removed from the story.

    Why do you call Chris Murphy this?

  145. Rudiau

    how he got a gun licence,

    he had a gun licence?

  146. John Comnenus

    I’ll be staggered if he had a gun licence and it will only undermine the gun control lobby by proving that gun rights activists were right all along. Gun control only ever affects law abiding citizens.

  147. Rudiau

    how he got a gun licence,

    he had a gun licence?

    Why yes, yes he f*ckin’ did.

    BREAKING NEWS: Prime Minister Tony Abbott has revealed to parliament that Sydney Siege gunman Man Haron Monis was in possession of a valid gun licence at the time of the tragic attack.

    “Why did he have a gun licence in the first place, that’s the question here.”

    ?#?SydneySiege? ?#?9News?

    Hope this is wrong …

    Thanks Bruce in WA

  148. Fred

    What sort of firearms licence did he posses that allowed him to stroll around with a shortened pump action shottie in his bag?

  149. Infidel Tiger

    Surely he didn’t have a gun licence?

    Is there anything the government can’t fuck up?

    They had one job…

  150. Infidel Tiger

    Looks like Abbott is going to have his Howard moment and sheet the blame home to exactly the wrong people.

  151. feelthebern

    What do we spend all this national security money on?
    Can we get a refund?

  152. Motelier

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott has revealed Man Horan Monis had been granted a gun licence, admitting that he couldn’t explain how he had “dropped off the watch list”.

    Yes apparently Jihadi Boy had a gun licence.

    NineMSM

    This is going to get really bad before it starts to get better.

  153. Motelier

    links do not appear to be working.

    grrrrrrrr

  154. A Lurker

    Is there anything the government can’t fuck up?

    Evidently not.

    Makes you think that the reason why Australia hasn’t had a major (as in London bombings type) terrorist incident, is solely due to dumb luck, and not good management.

  155. John Comnenus

    What’s the point of gun licensing laws if the Jihadists can get a gun licence. FMD. NSW Police, judiciary and gun licensing authorities aren’t going to come out of this well. No wonder people feel the need to go vigilante – the authorities seem hell bent on refusing to protect the community properly. If they can’t do that then some people will feel the Govt doesn’t deserve the monopoly on violence. I, for one, would prefer that they lifted their game significantly and regained the trust of most law abiding citizens. Had a gun licence, out on bail, every effort to spare his life, not deported, in as a refugee. How many stuff ups in one guy and how many others like him are out there?

  156. Motelier

    I have to pay taxes.

    I pay those taxes.

    The only way I get to say where those taxes go is at the ballot box.

    I am sure there is a better way.

  157. Rudiau

    So which rifle/gun club did he belong to?
    Lakemba shooters club? FMD.

  158. johanna

    POLICE Commissioner Andrew Scipione has expressed his anger that Lindt Cafe gunman Man Haron Monis was out on bail and said he would have been under greater police scrutiny had he been on the national security watch list.

    Arse-covering at twelve o’clock.

  159. Alfonso

    “Prime Minister Tony Abbott has revealed Man Horan Monis had been granted a gun licence,”

    OMG.
    Mad Dotty is correct. Firearm Licencing at least for longarms is therefore useless and designed merely as harassment…..end of story.
    Stunned.

  160. Rudiau

    What’s the point of gun licensing laws if the Jihadists can get a gun licence.

    With his police record and on bail for murder, he retains his gun licence?

  161. rickw

    how he got a gun licence

    I doubt very much he had a gun license, and the gun was almost certainly sourced on the black market.

    If he did have a license, and he did legally buy then gun, then you can add that to the pile of bureaucratic stuff ups piled up around this animal.

  162. Percy

    Looks like Abbott is going to have his Howard moment and sheet the blame home to exactly the wrong people.

    I’d feel safer if Labor had spent more and bankrupted the nation completely.

  163. Infidel Tiger

    OMG.
    Mad Dotty is correct. Firearm Licencing at least for longarms is therefore useless and designed merely as harassment…..end of story.
    Stunned.

    They had one fucking job.

    Government’s only real job is to uphold the rule of law and the fuckers aren’t even close to being able to do that.

    A stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure spawned from the ass of a jackal.

  164. Senile Old Guy

    NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione says he endorses the decision to storm the Lindt cafe to end the Sydney siege in the early hours of Tuesday. “I think they made absolutely the right call … if they hadn’t have moved when they moved, this could have been much, much worse.” The Commissioner said he had full confidence that the team handled the situation appropriately. “My own view, based on what I’ve been briefed on, is I don’t think this could have been done any better anywhere else in the world by any other group,” he said.

    Unbelievable. Most of the hostages escaped on their own. The police went in after one or two of the few remaining hostages had been shot. This guy is delusional.

  165. Infidel Tiger

    I’d feel safer if Labor had spent more and bankrupted the nation completely.

    All in good time my friend.

  166. Alfonso

    “and he did legally buy then gun,”

    Not possible, pumps not legal for general use.

  167. rickw

    What’s the point of gun licensing laws if the Jihadists can get a gun license.

    Maybe they would be better taking the millions that it costs to run the firearm registry and licensing registry and simply use the money to put Police on the street, or maybe invest in a civilian marksmanship program.

    If NSW Police issued this animal a license then their “system” is broken beyond repair.

  168. Infidel Tiger

    If this Sheik has a gun licence, I’ll guarantee it’s because dirty fingers are tinkering with the registry database.

    It’s no surprise they always know which properties to raid when they need weapons.

  169. Fred

    How do you buy a pump action shotgun “legally”? The suggestion that because he had a licence he could stroll into a gun shop and purchase such a firearm is absolute bullshit.

  170. Motelier

    I hope all of the fvck ups are being written down somewhere.

    The list must be getting pretty long now.

    #whatelseiswronghere

  171. twostix

    So after thirty years of relentless expansion of government power we find out they can’t stop a murdering muslim cleric lunatic from walking through sydney with a pump action shotgun. Not only can’t they prevent it they gave him a gun license.

    Obviously what we need are stricter gun controls and for the government to have more power. Much more power. Like banning bail for instance. Or something. That’ll do the trick.

  172. Percy

    Like banning bail for instance

    They could always make it illegal for cafes to open before 11am. That would have solved this problem completely.

  173. twostix

    How do you buy a pump action shotgun “legally”?

    Exactly.

    What category gun license was it? We’ll never be told.

    NSW is trying to blame the feds, Abbott is trying to send the blame home to NSW with this gun license thing.

    It’s rank politics.

  174. .

    Rudiau
    #1543334, posted on December 17, 2014 at 3:25 pm
    Retired NYPD cop John Cardillo weighed in on what he thinks the lessons for law enforcement are from the Sydney siege.

    Excellent and prescient analysis. Thanks rudiau.

  175. .

    Tel
    #1543157, posted on December 17, 2014 at 1:00 pm
    If the cops are playing coroner, they’re now acting as judicial officers, which is clearly screwed up.

    There’s no evidence at all the cops are playing coroner, it’s a Bob Ellis report only.

    Oh dear god. I’m sorry. To think I was taken in by that after explaining what coroners actually do. Sorry.

  176. Jessie

    Legal fees asks Fernandez …………… I have been diverted today while I read the website of Aston Legal, their offices just round the corner from Lindt Chocolates
    The Realm of Metaphor – Slavery “This Most Rotten Branch of Human Shame ” and the advice tab on applying for Legal Aid.

    An earlier poster had posted a link to:
    IN THE HIGH COURT OF AUSTRALIA
    SYDNEY REGISTRY No Sl72 of2012
    ON APPEAL FROM THE NEW SOUTH WALES
    COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEAL
    Filed by Aston Legal on behalf of Appellant Man Haron Monis
    14th August 2012

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