The clash of symbols

What genuine problem has a party of the left actually solved anytime in the last forty years? Parties of the left never solve any actual problems, they only make existing problems worse and create new ones along the way.

Our economies are swimming in debt and deficits, with regulatory overload that makes recovery in any meaningful way almost an impossibility. We had a budget in surplus and an economy with zero debt. Then we elected Labor and we will never achieve any such thing again.

The boats were stopped not once but twice. It was first done by John Howard, and has been done again by Tony Abbott. In between, R-G-R allowed thousands to arrive, with the well understood aim of creating a voting class that would give them success at subsequent elections, irrespective of the harm done to the country by allowing illegal migrants to flood our shores.

If there are industrial relations problems, you can solve them either by resisting union demands or by conceding them. The first option will give you a stronger economy, the second a two-tier system in which union members and their leaders do well while others do worse.

But the parties of the left are good at finding solutions for things that are not a problem at all. Take the prime example, global warming. The planet isn’t even warming for any reason whatsoever, never mind because of the use of carbon-based fuels. But the left have created a crisis atmosphere, and have stepped forward with solutions that wouldn’t even make sense if there actually was such a problem, but which allows plenty of money to be distributed to their crony-capitalist friends while burdening the economy with taxes and imposts that are certain to make us less well off but will give the government more money to spread around at its own discretion.

There are lots of such fake problems invented by the left and promoted through the media (i.e. by the marketing arm of parties of the left) to become controversial issue in immediate need of solution. Conservatives then have the choice of doing nothing since they think there is nothing to be done, and therefore end up hammered by the press and the left for not taking such problems seriously. Or they do take these up and legitimise the issue while offering solutions that are intended to be less damaging than those offered by the left.

There was a time when the left tried to solve genuine problems and were legitimate parties of ideas. Almost invariably bad ideas, which generally have left a trail of damage, but at least they were honestly conceived. They no longer have any ideas at all, other than the usual plunder and distribute to the mendicant classes which they have created and who will most reliably vote for them.

I’m not sure there is any solution for conservatives than to try to take these people on by pointing out that they do an immense amount of harm, almost never do good, and our problems are invariably made worse every time a government of the left is elected. Except, even if you wished to undertake such a campaign, how would you get the message out?

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77 Responses to The clash of symbols

  1. John

    While I agree in general terms with the article, changing what is now basically socialist government in Australia; irrespective of which party is in, is now impossible without a catalyst that forces dramatic change eg war, depression, civil war etc. It is no longer a matter of Liberal versus Labor repair is almost impossible and I don’t have a reasonable solution to post here.

  2. Habib

    Ignore the media which is hopelessly compromised, ignore the more idiotic premises put forward or treat with the contempt they deserve, and take on the others with logic and reason, the enemies of leftism. In other words, act like a bloody conservative, and show some leadership, beliefs, and balls.
    Sadly lacking on all counts in every “conservative/classic liberal” outfit acoss the planet with a very few notable exceptions. None here of course.

  3. Banner in Labor-run Brunswick: “BRUNSWICK SAYS NO TO RACISM!”

    Banner in Labor-run Thornbury: “BREAK THE SILENCE! THE NORTH SAYS NO TO FAMILY VIOLENCE!”

    These both ignore the fact that nobody in their right mind would actually say yes to either of these propositions. The banners are supposed to prove how virtuous Labor is, but in fact they are a useful symbol of how bankrupt and out of ideas they are.

  4. jupes

    The left have captured the public servants, the media, schools, universities and even the ADF.

    They have also captured the Liberal Party, hence we have a so-called conservative Prime Minister running lefty agendas such as recognising Aborigines in the constitution and the only true conservative – Cory Bernardi – on the outer.

    Dunno where the fightback is going to come from, but hopefully it comes soon.

  5. Gilas

    The left have captured the public servants, the media, schools, universities and even the ADF.

    … not to mention the medical professional colleges and their publications, national AND international.

    This trend will not be stopped, let alone reversed, by mere discussions and polite repartee. The battle of ideas has well and truly been won by the leftards.

    Any suggestions?

  6. Jeremy

    The answer is the education system.
    First, we must stop all secondary and tertiary education institutions from setting their own exams. Self-regulation has been tried in many areas and always fails. It is an invitation to corruption. Independent testing bodies of all sorts should be established and competition will sort out which ones are worthwhile. This is already happening with many schools offering the international baccalaureate as the population loses faith in the VCE.
    Second, we must disconnect education from immigration. When education is simply seen as a box to tick to get immigration points then there is no reason to waste effort on actually learning when you can pay someone else to take the test. Again this is a policy that is corrupting schools.
    Third, we must break up the education conglomerates. When universities take over smaller colleges they stifle diversity of opinion. If you disagree with a person at a small college, you can get a job elsewhere. If you disagree with someone at Melbourne or Monash University you can be locked out of a major proportion of the jobs in the state.
    We need more students to have heard of Adam Smith than Karl Marx.

  7. You want to stop the left and their confected outrage and general BS?

    Simple – put a bounty on them.

    (NADT)

  8. iamok

    I have said many times the conservative parties have to:

    1. buy space in the media, they will be given nothing.
    2.learn how to sell a position and carry an argument from woe to go. And stick at it. Get people who can sell/tell an argument like Morrison and not like Joe or Tony.
    3. stop funding their enemies. Like the ABC and SBS

    Simple.They are infantile at these, and it is killing them and our country. But it is not that hard.

  9. Parties of the left never solve any actual problems, they only make existing problems worse and create new ones along the way.

    Without problems and causes the left would cease to exist. Their raison d’etre is to have something or someone to fight or beat – it’s all negative, even though they somehow couch it in positive terms. We (Western liberal democracies) had largely solved most of the big issues about 20 years ago. No, not everything was perfect, it never is, conservatives understand that because we understand human nature and choice and responsibility. Ironically, the few “problems” that still existed then and have been exacerbated are all singularly down to leftist policies – welfarism, unemployment, single parents, third-world poverty, muticulti failure.
    The left HATED the fact that Communism was defeated, they HATED the fact that it was less Government interference and economic growth that led to better outcomes, they HATED the fact they were discredited and left out. Whilst continuing to undermine the West their Gramscian / Alinsky / Frankfurt School tactics meant they needed to continually invent new issues for them to “solve” and where they didn’t really exist they searched for the one in a million example (rape, DV, racism etc.) that they then blew out of all proportion to invent a crisis out of it. And when a solution they didn’t like was suggested or implemented they would invent what I call a “hypathetical” (a hybrid of ‘hype’, ‘hyper’ and ‘pathetic’); e.g. “but Minister, your policy will leave thousands of children who suffer from agoraphobia unable to apply for the new ‘Out and About’ scheme and condemn them to suffer, what about them?”
    We are rapidly approaching a tipping point where leftist Governments (including proxy LNP Governments dragged leftwards) will be a permanent fixture in the political environment in the long crawl to impoverishment and collapse. People describe the election victory as a landslide, it wasn’t. There were still 1 in every 3 people who believed Labor was still the best option, that is an absolute failure, 1 in 10 should be the norm. The Greens should not exist and Labor should be picking up the votes of the loons and moochers.
    A great deal of blame for all this lies with the right though. We failed to notice the long march through the institutions and are doing nothing to stop it now we are slowly waking up to it. At a grass roots level we have failed to uphold and promote our ideals, the symbiotic nature of our leaders failing to inspire and encourage (often doing exactly the opposite) has meant a deathly spiral of frustration, indifference and surrender.
    What to do about it? Use their tactics against them (and that includes the MSM). Sadly, we are too bloody soft, demoralised and cowardly to do so. You really have to get brutal with people for the message to get through because of the amount of complete and utter rubbish that has been fed into their heads and encloses their thinking, functioning synapses with layers of putrid, festering, rot. It is possible to turn people around to see the light but the longer we do nothing, the harder it will be and that tipping point will edge closer and closer.

  10. mark

    Meanwhile, a state premier makes statements, threatens heads of statutory authorities with the sack…over an enquiry into treatment of feral animals used as dog bait!!!!! Surely, there is something more important in Queensland than chasing a green sponsored nothing story?

  11. Infidel Tiger

    From The Australian:

    Assistant Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has come under fire from the Liberal Party’s backbench after he described legal recognition of same-sex marriages as “inevitable”.

    ACT Senator Zed Seselja, who supports maintaining the 11-year-old legal definition of marriage, today said the Coalition had “a longstanding party position” and he did “not believe it will change”.

    Alinskyist swines.

  12. Habib

    Agree most major issues were pretty much sorted 2 decades ago, I said at the time “stick a fork in it, it’s done”. Time to start seriously winding back government; without government however, the left is powerless, and if there’s anything they lust after beyond a comfortable, safe existence at others expense, it’s power. Especially over those who provide their sinecure and security.

    Hence the constant creation of non-issues, and the sickening and craven compliance with them by alleged conservatives. Even actual issues such as the rise of IS would’ve been solved in a week with a response based on reality, and at minimal cost compared to the ongoing appeasement.

  13. Tom

    Australian politics is now a war between net taxpayers (who have been deserted by all major parties and therefore have no voice) and leftist parasites paying no net tax who devise one scheme after another to steal other people’s money.

  14. H B Bear

    Tom – exactly.

    Every time the Liars and Greens start going on about fairness the Liberals need to ask what is fair about taking the earnings of one Australian and giving them to another. Their selling point should always be that under the Liberals you will always keep more of your money and be rewarded for effort.

    Of course you cannot make this argument while you are increasing taxes and allowing the erosion of wealth through the stealth of bracket creep.

  15. Joe

    At very fundamental level “democracy” is just the violence of the mob and does not work to uphold the rights of individuals or indeed groups of individuals.
    It is almost getting to the position where a serf under the Kings of England has more freedom than the modern citizen.

  16. Rob MW

    Predictably this is what happens when a country has a weak constitution based solely on the concept of parliamentary supremacy – (i.e: democracy Oz style means that it is impossible for the electorate to elect an irresponsible government) – where there are no limits to the exercise of power. Tyranny can be exercised by one or by a few, it makes little difference.

    Once upon a time Australia had common law, sadly all that has gone, overridden by limitless power of the statute. One should not be quoting Malcolm Fraser but he summed it up best, in an interview with St James Ethics Society, when he said that the Commonwealth Of Australia Constitution was a very weak document because there was no protection, in the constitution, of or for the common law and the individual rights and government limitations contained within the common law.

    The left’s greatest claim to fame is their gift is using statutes to redefine commonly used words and phrases, basically the whole English language, to suite their current objection to any subjective issue they can think of, none of which is based on any sort of genuine fact but simply on a ‘Precaution’.

    It won’t be long before there will be no need for Australia to have a court system because the current system only reads the black letter of the law and not what the law should be prohibited from doing when held against the common law.

    End of frustrated rant !!!

  17. rich

    Art.

    We malign art because of grants, low entry bars and a long nose to look down. The truth is, art is the key battleground. The movie American Sniper was counter cultural, and hence infuriating to progressives

  18. scotty

    I can’t believe you don’t think there are so many injustices left to fight, I’m feeling a lot of micro aggression here, there should be trigger warnings on this site – and jazz hands

  19. Token

    Banner in Labor-run Brunswick: “BRUNSWICK SAYS NO TO RACISM!”

    Wait until the Chinese property buyers move in on luvvie central such that the local born haters can no longer afford to live there.

    At that time The Age writers will be letting their inner racist nativist out as they fume that they can not join the millionare boomers in that dingy crappy hole.

  20. Token

    Every time the Liars and Greens start going on about fairness the Liberals need to ask what is fair about taking the earnings of one Australian and giving them to another.

    That is an opporunity for the left, not a threat. They are very good as throwing out banal plays to emotion to spin such a question against Da Rich.

  21. John

    Rob MW, If only our frustrations and rantings could lead to something better. However the worst is yet to come and we are going to struggle to make any difference at all. It’s just too late in my view, the decay is now entrenched within.

  22. Token

    Banner in Labor-run Thornbury: “BREAK THE SILENCE! THE NORTH SAYS NO TO FAMILY VIOLENCE!”

    LOL, are they totally unaware it is that this threatens their neighbours with a huge expensive tax payer provided museum the most?

  23. Rabz

    “BRUNSWICK SAYS YES TO JAZZ HANDS!”

  24. Except, even if you wished to undertake such a campaign, how would you get the message out?

    Vote http://www.ldp.org.au !

  25. Token

    Sorry Forester, that mob of sweet naive fools are going to be very busy soon blame storming at everyone else when the 16 wheel Mack Truck that is Gay Queda & its hate campaign is let loose on small business people and people of faith.

  26. incoherent rambler

    This trend will not be stopped, let alone reversed, by mere discussions and polite repartee. The battle of ideas has well and truly been won by the leftards.

    Civil war?

  27. A Lurker

    Nothing can be changed unless the message itself changes – that means overhauling the ABC/SBS, and making structural reform to all levels of education in order to remove the Communists/Socialists and appoint Conservatives, and push a pro-Australian, pro-Western message.

  28. cohenite

    Half the battle would be won if the abc was abolished. The abc provides an endless outlet for the rabid which would not be tolerated anywhere else.

  29. Big_Nambas

    stop funding their enemies. Like the ABC and SBS

    I have been banging on about the ABC bias at Liberal Party meetings for years, they just don’t get it. I have written to Turnbull, Abbott and others about this problem, they don’t get it.

    Unless the ABC is either forced to follow it’s charter or privatised, Conservative politics is dead in Australia.

  30. Ellen of Tasmania

    “American freedom is being gutted. Whether we are trying to run a business, practice a vocation, raise our families, cooperate with our neighbors, or follow our religious beliefs, we run afoul of the government—not because we are doing anything wrong but because the government has decided it knows better. When we object, that government can and does tell us, “Try to fight this, and we’ll ruin you.”

    In this provocative book, acclaimed social scientist and bestselling author Charles Murray shows us why we can no longer hope to roll back the power of the federal government through the normal political process. …

    The even better news is that federal government has a fatal weakness: It can get away with its thousands of laws and regulations only if the overwhelming majority of Americans voluntarily comply with them. Murray describes how civil disobedience backstopped by legal defense funds can make large portions of the 180,000-page Federal Code of Regulations unenforceable, through a targeted program that identifies regulations that arbitrarily and capriciously tell us what to do.”

    By the People: Rebuilding Liberty Without Permission‘ by Charles Murray.

    A different way of fighting back. I don’t know that ‘going Galt’ is an option nowadays, is it?

  31. Ant

    Neuter the ABC, I agree. Even better, sell it off and use the money to plant trees. How could they protest?

    As I like to say I would be satisfied if the Abbott government did to the ABC what the ALP would do to the ABC if it was as pro-conservative as it is currently pro-left.

  32. JohnA

    Infidel Tiger #1698768, posted on June 2, 2015 at 11:33 am

    From The Australian:

    Assistant Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has come under fire from the Liberal Party’s backbench after he described legal recognition of same-sex marriages as “inevitable”.

    ACT Senator Zed Seselja, who supports maintaining the 11-year-old legal definition of marriage, today said the Coalition had “a longstanding party position” and he did “not believe it will change”.

    Alinskyist swines.

    Note the dissembling doubletalk:

    maintaining the 11-year-old legal definition of marriage

    carefully sidestepping the fact that the real life definition from time immemorial was firmly understood until 11 years ago. Then it was only made “legal” because of the rampaging, tantrumming gaystapo, who suddenly wanted to get in on Marriage after spending a long time decrying it.

  33. Ellen of Tasmania

    I have been banging on about the ABC bias at Liberal Party meetings for years, they just don’t get it. I have written to Turnbull, Abbott and others about this problem, they don’t get it.

    I know what you mean, B_N, but I find it hard to believe that they really-truly ‘don’t get it’. Which leaves me with ‘they aren’t really small-government’, they value their jobs (or egos) more than their country, or the media have something on them. What other options?

    I’m sure it’s not good for one’s health to remember how much we (taxpayers) pay these public servants to hate-us-with-a-microphone.

  34. A Lurker

    Last year…

    A Sydney judge has compared incest and paedophilia to homosexuality, saying the community may no longer see sexual contact between siblings and between adults and children as “unnatural” or “taboo”.

    Today…

    Assistant Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has come under fire from the Liberal Party’s backbench after he described legal recognition of same-sex marriages as “inevitable”.

    Tomorrow…

    ???

  35. mundi

    There is basically no hope. I was just listening to the left and how they were talking about super concessions for the rich were soon to ‘cost’ more than the age pension. And the commentator said “so the rich will be getting more than the poor” and the respondent said “that’s right”.

    So they have literally rigged the game to where not paying tax is the equilavent of receiving welfare.

  36. Gilas

    But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.”
    ? George Orwell, 1984

    Language does have the power to change reality.”
    Daphne Rose Kingma

    Lurker’s correct. Leftards have changed the meaning of simple language, aimed at the general, lowest common denominator in the West.

    Evil and brilliant at the same time…. and too late to reverse.

    Other methods need to be used. There is no point pretending otherwise.

  37. Up The Workers!

    Banner in Labor-run Brunswick: “BRUNSWICK SAYS NO TO RACISM!”

    Err…just remind me once again…which Party was it that gave us the racist “White Australia Policy and Old Arthur Calwell and his famous saying: “Two Wongs don’t make a White!”?

    It wasn’t the United Australia Party.
    It wasn’t the Liberal Party.
    It wasn’t the Country Party.
    It wasn’t the National Party.
    It wasn’t the Democrats.
    It wasn’t the D.L.P.
    It wasn’t the Fat Bloke’s Party.

    Don’t tell me…I’ll get it eventually…

  38. Banner in Labor-run Brunswick: “BRUNSWICK SAYS NO TO RACISM!”

    Banners can be amended – not defaced – to kill a message.
    A recent example I saw was a large poster which read “Stand up to violence against women”, someone had written “and men” in large black letters at the end. Totally defused the poster which was taken down a few days later.

    Just add a “BUT YES TO FORCING OTHER RACES TO ACCEPT GAY MARRIAGE!” to that Brunswick poster for comic effect.

  39. rich

    I agree MR rusty, wedge the rainbow coalition with art. I’ve always wanted to ask Waleed Aly what he thought of gay marriage

  40. faceache

    Talk to the people. Bit radical I know, but what ya gonna do?
    Good afternoon

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    It’s a Budget that shows our plan is working. The economy is on the right track, there are more jobs and incomes are increasing – and this Budget gives low-income families a hand up.

    This is a Government that is delivering for New Zealand and helping families get ahead. I hope you’ll take a few moments to find out more.

  41. faceache

    Thank you,

    Hon Bill English

  42. DrBeauGan

    About a decade ago I was argueing with a stalinist-marxist colleague that socialism doesn’t work. I pointed out the obvious failures and told him that the next basket case would be Venezuela. He didn’t believe me. And lo, I was right and he was wrong. Shortly after he joined the Greens.

    Mere facts and logic had no effect whatever. And this is the deep problem. People here all assume that rationality will win in the end; but rationality is rare and demanding. Faith almost always trumps it.

    So it’s really a battle between faiths. The old Christian faith supported at least some degree of rationality, the new leftist faith does not. This makes it far more popular because thinking is painful. It’s only a matter of time before techno civilisation falls. Faith is in conflict with engineering at a deep level.

    We’re fucked. Humanity is too stupid to survive. Maybe we could have an enclave of intelligence which could make it. Anyone for an Asimovian Foundation?

  43. faceache

    The bloody Kiwis (Key and English) are explaining and educating all the time. It wouldn’t be embarrassing to emulate them.

  44. Roger

    I firmly believe that our situation will have to get much worse before there is a possibility of change.

    And it will.

    Leftism will then be thoroughly discredited.

    People talk about the “Greek crisis”; interestingly, the English word crisis is actually derived from the Greek krisis (??????) which means a time for judgment or urgent decision. We too will have to come to a crisis before people will make the right judgment.

  45. DrBeauGan

    Roger, leftism will never be discredited. Religions never are. They merely become unfashionable.

  46. mundi

    The innovation and wealth creation in the private sector has almost always been so amazingly good, that even when a lot of its wealth is stolen and plundered, living standards have still risen.

    We are now starting to see the transition into decline, where the wealth being squandered is surpassing that being created. The USA seems to have had a flat line in living standards for over a decade. EU and AUS will soon follow.

  47. Roger

    Roger, leftism will never be discredited. Religions never are. They merely become unfashionable.

    Granted, for some people – the “true believers” – Leftism is an ersatz religion, Dr Beau.

    But I was thinking of the great middle portion of the electorate, those who run small to medium sized businesses or are employed by them…I retain some hope that they have some common sense that could be appealed to once the bankruptcy of socialism is exposed.

  48. Yobbo

    What genuine problem has a party of the left actually solved anytime in the last forty years?

    The Hawke government in the 80’s solved numerous economic problems. I wouldn’t expect a pure barracker like Steve Kates to mention or even remember that though. All he understand is “US GOOD. THEM BAD”.

  49. rich

    We’re fucked. Humanity is too stupid to survive. Maybe we could have an enclave of intelligence which could make it.

    Have faith in the average punters- they know it smells fishy but may not know why. Just point out the smell over and over again. Show them that there’s no such thing as a free lunch and they won’t get away with claiming one.

  50. .

    Hawke may have been the most libertarian and best Prime Minister Australia has ever known.

  51. jamfancy

    Carpe #1698752, 11:07 am

    A Bounty! What an excellent idea, may I suggest a fiver, ear to ear (a tenner’s too much, might encourage ‘em to breed, perhaps when they’ve thinned out a bit ) and definitely fifteen for a greenie.

    Jam.

  52. Bibi

    “Hawke may have been the most libertarian and best Prime Minister Australia has ever known.”
    This is possibly the most stupid thing written on this day 2/6/15, although it’s heartening to know that retards have access to the internet.

  53. min

    Maybe the way Scott Morrison handled QT today and humour is the way to go. Government were all hammering the fact that labor wants more spending , no savings and surpluses so where will the money come from . According to Scott from somewhere over the rainbow which then led into some very funny descriptions Dorothy clicking her heels, the Wizard of Oz etc etc. bring on the cartoons .

  54. Gab

    no savings and surpluses so where will the money come from . According to Scott from somewhere over the rainbow

    Hehehe That’s Morrison telling all that Labor is not interested in serious matters and prefer to spend taxpayer’s money on an issue that only affects 2% of the population – assuming all 2% want to get married. Which they don’t, the bigots.

  55. steve

    I’m not sure there is any solution for conservatives than to try to take these people on by pointing out that they do an immense amount of harm

    We could kill all

  56. john constantine

    Where did hawkies massive multi-million dollar fortune appear from again?.

    Bit of luck and good to have maaaates.

  57. Sally Moore

    Eventually the “leaders” and establishment of the left will themselves become hooked on their own dopey entitlement and dependency culture, and grow soft and weak-minded, believing their own BS and forget why or that they ever created all this. Unfortunately it will take several generation of their state-child-care raised/badly educated/badly parented children for this to happen. We need to establish “freedom&thought&learning-banks”, to survive through this. It’s called a stable nuclear family, with parents taking full responsibility for their marriage and their children, to impart the values and education that the state no longer gives.

  58. .

    john constantine
    #1699206, posted on June 2, 2015 at 9:01 pm
    Where did hawkies massive multi-million dollar fortune appear from again?.

    Bit of luck and good to have maaaates.

    You know, people are dumb enough to buy his books too.

    Plus the Golden Handshake all MPs and ex PMs get.

  59. Bonza

    Great post perfectly true except there are responses:
    Read the following
    Scott Walker “Unitimidated”
    Steve Deace “Rules for patriots how conservatives can win again”
    David Horowitz “take no prisoners: the battle plan for defeating the left”
    Jeff Hedgpeth “rules for radicals: A practical guide for defeating Obama Alinsky tactics”
    Arthur c Brooks “The road to freedom: how to win the fight for free enterprise”
    My favourite – Andrew Brietbart “Rightouous Indignation” A Ripper!!
    And on August 4 (unplanned but Obamas birthday) The Great One Mark Levin “Deceit and Plunder” a brilliant I am sure follow up to “Ameritopia”.

  60. Splatacrobat

    Slogans you won’t see…….
    Banner in Labor-run Lakemba: “LAKEMBA SAYS YES TO GAY MARRIAGE!”
    Banner in Greens-run Fitzroy: “FITZROY SAYS NO TO HANDOUTS!”

  61. strange

    Steve, you have done it again (quote me again if you like) – complete an utter bullshit. Are you looking for clicks or something?
    “We had a budget in surplus and an economy with zero debt. Then we elected Labor and we will never achieve any such thing again.”

    There was a little something called the GFC when Labor was in power, in which only Australia and Israel avoided recession. And your mate Tony is now in charge. You are such an ideologue. Keep the laughs coming ha, ha, ha. And the boats to top it off, oh god, ha, ha, ha.

    And “the left have created a crisis atmosphere, ” – what has the last week been about other than creating a crisis atmosphere by threatening to cancel citizenship etc etc. Ha, ha, ha. You are pathetic and we have a government of clowns. Oh god its hurts because I have been laughing so hard.

  62. strange

    Get rid of this Kates character – waste of space.

  63. strange

    Unless you want a laugh.

  64. .

    There was a little something called the GFC when Labor was in power, in which only Australia and Israel avoided recession. And your mate Tony is now in charge. You are such an ideologue. Keep the laughs coming ha, ha, ha. And the boats to top it off, oh god, ha, ha, ha.

    Technically we didn’t.

    http://johnhumphreys.com.au/2010/01/19/why-the-stimulus-was-bad-policy/

    Also, we went from a 17 bn surplus to a 43 bn deficit.

    We spent 4% of GDP to get 3% GDP growth.

    No business with a turnover of $10 million would consider spending $4 million to get $3 million of revenue and never otherwise collect enough revenue into the future (particularly the next 3-4 years) for the NPV to never turn positive.

  65. .

    Also note the stimulus made the FX rate rise, whereas it had been accomodating the economy.

    Also note that without our stimulus, the Chinese stimulus, of 250 bn USD of rail, domestic and road construction, heavily benefited our iron ore exporters*, and would have done so more as the dollar would not have risen as much.

    *Keep in mind the ability of mining as the 2nd largest inter-industry multiplier and largest earner of foreign exchange reserves. We could have profited from lower rates and “suffered” a “reverse Dutch disease” as purchasing power externally would grow along with internal purchasing power as the dollar fell and incomes rose.

  66. strange

    “No business with a turnover of $10 million would consider spending $4 million to get $3 million of revenue” – unless your business is keeping the nation employed. Government isn’t business.

  67. strange

    Pleased you are only arguing at the margins.

  68. strange

    John Humphreys, an authority? Ha, haa Ha.

  69. strange

    “What genuine problem has a party of the left actually solved anytime in the last forty years? Parties of the left never solve any actual problems, they only make existing problems worse and create new ones along the way.”

    The problem is on the right – they send us to senseless wars all the time, costing lives!

  70. Rob MW

    “The problem is on the right – they send us to senseless wars all the time, costing lives!”

    How much are you paying the Strawmen to dig those holes for you, or are they on benefits ? In the meantime keep digging like a good little ignorant fuckwit.

  71. Blogstrop

    Another sub-standard work experience troll. Nothing strange about you, sonny. Watch this site for a while and pick up some clues from one or two survivors who know their trade.

  72. IainC

    A little unfair, the Left has solved overpopulation problems in Germany, Russia, China, Cambodia……

  73. Another sub-standard work experience troll. Nothing strange about you, sonny. Watch this site for a while and pick up some clues from one or two survivors who know their trade.

    ‘strange’ is just tiny numbers (‘1234’) whom I outed last week as a disgruntled ex-Kates student.
    It’s a sign of the times – a Gen Y leftwit douchebag believing he / she is invincible, correct about everything and a young genius just waiting to be discovered as the next Obama runs into the reality of an old-school, meritocratic Uni Professor who is not afraid of a red pen. Said leftwit is so infuriated at having his sensibilities and world view smashed by a series of crap marks that he / she embarks on an online vendetta against said Professor where they can hide behind the anonymity of the internet.
    Quite pathetic really, using multiple accounts and lurking around a blog waiting for the next post. What a waste of time and energy.

  74. .

    strange
    #1699320, posted on June 3, 2015 at 12:07 am
    “No business with a turnover of $10 million would consider spending $4 million to get $3 million of revenue” – unless your business is keeping the nation employed. Government isn’t business.

    What’s the business case for the stimulus? It failed every cost benefits analysis.

    John Humphreys, an authority?

    Yep. Like me. A published researcher who has published empirical academic research. (Compared to other perfessers of the university of quoala who are a protected species here, and whose predictions [such as on microeconomic reform] have always been laughably, ridiculously and demonstrably wrong).

    strange
    #1699322, posted on June 3, 2015 at 12:08 am
    Pleased you are only arguing at the margins.

    No.

    The stimulus failed in totality. It had a net cost 1% of GDP. Money was saved, not spent. It ruined the accommodation value of monetary policy. It counteracted the windfall from the Chinese stimulus, which actually saved us from the wasteful stimulus reducing GDP growth to 1% or less. Fiscal policy does not and cannot work in small open economies with a floating exchange rate. Consumption was mostly leaked overseas. The mining industry with the second highest II – multiplier and hundreds of thousands of jobs in mining services, and paid tens of billions of corporate, let alone income tax, was not, “at the margin”.

    The stimulus failed on every level, including a holistic approach such as a CBA.

    ‘strange’ is just tiny numbers (’1234?) whom I outed last week as a disgruntled ex-Kates student.
    It’s a sign of the times – a Gen Y leftwit douchebag believing he / she is invincible, correct about everything and a young genius just waiting to be discovered as the next Obama runs into the reality of an old-school, meritocratic Uni Professor who is not afraid of a red pen.

    What a useless fuckwit.

  75. .

    strange – “losing money kept people employed”

    – So you consider losing incomes as a way to deal with unemployment but not flexible labour markets?

    You rube.

  76. rich

    unless your business is keeping the nation employed. Government isn’t business.

    Where does the money to “keep the nation employed” come from? Private taxpayers. Since it isn’t a business, it’s not required to spend prudently, be rewarded for service with profit, or to maintain solvency.

    Pleased you are only arguing at the margins.

    No true scotsman fallacy.

    The problem is on the right – they send us to senseless wars all the time, costing lives!

    Straw man fallacy.

  77. tig

    The Left are a burden on the rest of Australia for all the reasons you have mentioned above, but just try to tell the media and they knock the comment off every time.

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