Trump would be a terrible president

I’ve been paying close attention to Donald Trump since we happened to see his speech in Las Vegas that took him to the top of the polls. But politics is not about having a set of opinions. It is about working with other people to achieve collective ends. The business with Megyn Kelly is the finish of him so far as I am concerned, and I am unlikely to be alone on this.

It’s not just the disgust he creates. It’s his lack of proportion. It’s his attitude to the views of those who disagree with him that is so disturbing. He has never run for or held political office. He has only run businesses, which is precisely the wrong kind of experience for anyone in politics. A business is an organisation that does work by command and control. There are decision makers and those who put those decisions into effect. That is not the way a free society works.

Obama has much in common with Trump and has turned out to be the worst president in American history. My way or the highway, with the result that everything of any significance he has become involved with has turned out a disaster. Trump would be no worse, but he would be no better.

A presidential system is the worst form of democracy you can have. The last few years have shown how flawed a system it can be. We can only hope for a better outcome after 2017.

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65 Responses to Trump would be a terrible president

  1. Steve tickler

    Hey Skates.

    If you were sitting alongside Lyndon Larouche, it would be a good show.

    Think “carnival atmosphere “

  2. squawkbox

    Oh shove it, Steve. Yes, I don’t trust Trump an inch, and while he talks a good game at the moment if he ever gets to be president he will probably backstab all of the people who voted for him, but at this stage of the campaign it doesn’t matter. He is showing the Republicans how to campaign. Never apologise, never back down, always escalate! The rest of that rabble of milquetoasts will be delighted to be on a perpetual back foot defending something they said in 1983 that could be interpreted as offensive to shortsighted Patagonians. Trump at least realises that compared with illegal immigrants, Iran and the economy, shortsighted Patagonians don’t matter and neither do Megyn Kelly’s ladybits.

    I hope that Ted Cruz or Scott Walker will learn from Trump, but I expect we will see Jeb Bush losing in the most gentlemanly fashion to Hillary.

  3. Gleambright

    Trump is gaming the system for his own benefit, pure and simple. I suppose that’s no different from any of the other candidates.

  4. Infidel Tiger

    All this focus on Trump and yet there is an increasing likelihood Sanders will beat Hillary.

    Trump is the best thing that has happened. He can and will say everything the other candidates want to but won’t. That’s powerful and needs to be harnessed for good.

  5. C.L.

    But politics is not about having a set of opinions. It is about working with other people to achieve collective ends.

    Oh please. We’re all sick of “leaders” “working with other people.”

    We need leaders who lead.

    I don’t endorse Trump but I’m sick to death of scaredy-cats advocating a milquetoast moderate every eight years. Like this was great strategy with McCain and Romney.

  6. Andrew

    When questioned about his penchant for Chapter 11 filing he boasted about using the system to his advantage (arguably fair enough) and then said this:

    With $19tr in debt, you NEED someone like me negotiating with creditors!

    Say WHAT?? Did he seriously just put the credit of USTs in question??

  7. JC

    Say WHAT?? Did he seriously just put the credit of USTs in question??

    Looks like it.

    From what I recall he did a masterful job of negotiating with the creditors in the 90’s when he got into trouble. He managed to “keep” $450,000 a month as living expenses. That’s what he told them he needed to live on.

  8. We need leaders who lead.

    FMD. First I’m agreeing with JC, now I’m agreeing with CL. Next, IT will be accommodating and gentlemanly. We are truly nearing the end times.

    If Trump is smart, he will smite, then, among the ashes, he will accommodate. Master over others, then master of manipulation. Let us see if he can rise above the limits of authority, and lead by creating willing followers.

    I don’t think he can, but I’d rather he try and fail, than a pea-heart not try at all.

  9. Mick Baker

    The pity with Trump is that there is another candidate that has business experience, leadership experience, shoots from the hip, is not afraid of political correctness (but understands that is not a license to be an arsehole), is not mealy-mouthed about standing on principles, and is demonstrably intelligent in her ability to communicate conservative principles to ordinary people.

    Plus, she’d slice & dice Hillary in any debate – she would pull no punches.

    All this, but Trump (being an arsehole & with the media’s connivance) is sucking all the oxygen out.

    Carly for President.

  10. cui bono

    “He has only run a business….”

    And Kates is the champion of free enterprise?

  11. Walter Plinge

    James Taranto has been casting a critical, unfavourable eye on Trump in BOTW:

    Just the other day, Obama asserted that “Iranian hard-liners” were “making common cause with the Republican caucus.” The White House transcript reports that his audience greeted this calumny with “laughter and applause.”

    All this helps explain why Trump appeals to some conservatives and Republicans. Having endured this kind of abuse for years, why shouldn’t they be attracted to a candidate who seems willing and able to fight back in kind?

    But that is a dangerous temptation. For one thing, Obama did not get elected in 2008 by out-snarking the competition but by projecting a thoughtful, temperate mien. Dropping the mask—“you’re likable enough, Hillary”—might have cost him the New Hampshire primary.

    Obama’s performance as president should be enough to warn anyone—especially conservatives and Republicans—off from the temptation to put an insult comic in the White House. To be sure, unlike Obama, nobody has ever mistaken Trump for a thoughtful man. That is hardly an argument in the latter’s favor.

  12. sfw

    I can’t see him winning but there is no way he could be as bad as Obama. Obama has set out and achieved the emasculation of the US. Trump would probably just pick up on populist policies, as long as he was sound when it came to the US finances he would probably look a lot like John Howard, another populist with big gov and big spending.

  13. The business with Megyn Kelly is the finish of him so far as I am concerned, and I am unlikely to be alone on this.

    Why hasn’t he gone after Bret Baier like he has Kelly?

    What is in it for him to go personal on her? Once this dalliance is over & he is back hanging out with his buddy Bill, what will he gain from this personal fight?

  14. Entropy

    He would be just as bad as Obama, just in a different way. Amusing put downs of political enemies, no matter how long coming, is not leadership. James Taranto in the quote above is right.

  15. Combine Dave

    “He has only run a business….”

    And Kates is the champion of free enterprise?

    That’s a mark for not against.

    As is this:

    The business with Megyn Kelly

  16. Combine Dave

    He would be just as bad as Obama, just in a different way. Amusing put downs of political enemies, no matter how long coming, is not leadership. James Taranto in the quote above is right.

    Well I’m cool with America’s first female President if you are.

  17. Ren Durham

    Yeah forget those who’ve been in business because lawyers and union hacks and careerist politicians are so good at forming committees to achieve consensus. Like Europe. More of the same or the creative destruction of a Trump? I know what I’d go for.

  18. hzhousewife

    Trump’s presence in the race is fascinating, maybe he will get more voters out.
    Truly, what does being President gain for Trump himself, he already goes to all
    the events he wants, and I’m sure he doesn’t really want to be in meetings all day
    every day. He would delegate, and bring in unusual people, and expect results. Could be good.

  19. outsider

    Disagree, mate.

    ‘He has only run businesses, which is precisely the wrong kind of experience for anyone in politics.’

    It’s exactly what is needed, to cut through. Had all the other jerks since Reagan ‘worked out’ you might have a sustainable position to build your views on. They didn’t and you don’t. A large country is best served by someone who does not need anything from constituents other than a shared love of country, with his heart in the right place. It was true of Romney and it’s true of Trump. ‘Leadership’ these days is something PC psychopaths and machine hacks dominate, even then they can’t hack it.

    Good business people are a class above the collectivist dregs. You can’t fake it in business, and you should not be able to in politics.

  20. Robbo

    Since WW2 the voters in the USA have rarely chosen wisely when voting for a President. The list of successful candidates is littered with the names of hopeless dills whose only claim to fame is that they beat another hopeless dill. So many times voters have had to choose between dumb and dumber so it is no wonder that they end up with some creepy mendacious incompetent nasty prick like Obama. The scary thing is that the next presidential election will be a rerun of those that went before. Another President Clinton? How bloody scary is that?

  21. No way, Steve. Trump is tops in my book. The reason is because all the other conservatives kow-tow to the left. They want to be seen as nice. They’re terrified of being labelled as a nasty person. Which is ironic since those doing the labeling are genuinely nasty. And because they want to be seen to be nice, they compromise endlessly and end up standing for nothing.

    Trump doesn’t care what other people think about him. He won’t be hounded out of office for some indiscretion. He has balls and he says it how it is. He will shake up the system and hopefully he will show other conservatives that the term ‘nice guys finish last’ is actually very true.

  22. Tel

    You seriously feel sorry for Megyn Kelly? She was the attack dog, send in by FOX to bite Trumps ankles.

  23. Baldrick

    Trump would be a terrible president

    He may be equal to Obama in the ‘terrible’ stakes but is no where near Hillary in the ‘incompetent’ stakes.

  24. Tel

    Carly for President.

    Yeah, they could do a lot worse… there’s potential though, early days and these races are about getting a good team together. Carly might end up as VP, or she would be a good Secretary of State.

  25. .

    The business with Megyn Kelly is the finish of him so far as I am concerned, and I am unlikely to be alone on this.

    It should be the end of her career. She Brian Williamsed herself.

    It’s not just the disgust he creates. It’s his lack of proportion. It’s his attitude to the views of those who disagree with him that is so disturbing. He has never run for or held political office. He has only run businesses, which is precisely the wrong kind of experience for anyone in politics. A business is an organisation that does work by command and control. There are decision makers and those who put those decisions into effect. That is not the way a free society works.

    So what? He is aiming for an executive decision. The wrong kind of experience?

    Obama has much in common with Trump and has turned out to be the worst president in American history. My way or the highway, with the result that everything of any significance he has become involved with has turned out a disaster. Trump would be no worse, but he would be no better.

    I’m genuinely bewildered by this.

    A presidential system is the worst form of democracy you can have. The last few years have shown how flawed a system it can be. We can only hope for a better outcome after 2017.

    This is bizzare Steve. We suffered under Rudd and Gillard and now get more of the same from “tough Tony”. The US system created the Reagan years and Clinton working with a Republican Congress.

  26. .

    Trump will be bad because as others have noted: Crony capitalism, loony economic policies and until recently, a strong Democratic supporter and donor.

    I think the US and the world would be best served by Carson and Fiorona. Business backgrounds and plain speaking. No race or sex card.

    I like Paul/Ryan really but America showed last time they were too stupid to get the excellent economic arguments put forward by Ryan.

  27. Michaelc58

    I’m all in with Trump.
    The political correctness atmosphere is suffocating the ‘free’ west, it is suffocating me and anyone with an original thought. It is a form of ‘locked in’ syndrome – I can see and hear what people are saying, but I can’t speak what’s in my mind – I can only point to acceptable phrases put there by my enemies.
    It is worse than it was under the communists – at least you knew what was verboten …and I don’t recall them publicly lynching 13 year old girls.
    Well, the public has ‘had enough and we’re as mad as hell’ and they are voting for the Trump bull in a PC china shop, cause it needs to be smashed.
    Abbot has failed us in this PC war – he has been hiding in a shell, afraid of the gotcha moment – do you doubt his ratings would rise if he said he simply didn’t care what the leftist press think of him?

  28. Eyrie

    The U.S. is meant to be a Republic, not a democracy, Kates.

  29. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Abbot has failed us in this PC war – he has been hiding in a shell, afraid of the gotcha moment – do you doubt his ratings would rise if he said he simply didn’t care what the leftist press think of him?

    Have to agree with this, and admit too that Trump is refreshing. But his baggage is immense and will put a lot of voters off; a shame, but there it is.

  30. Old School Conservative

    I see where you are coming from Steve. With 8 years of a Democrat President riding roughshod over elected Republicans with his pen and phone, anyone should be wary of a Republican doing the same. Can’t have that can we.

  31. Snoopy

    Are Megyn Kelly and Fox News carrying water for that Huckabee plonker?

  32. Ant

    Trump would be no worse, but he would be no better (than Obama).

    Can’t agree. Trump would be a terrible president, but I doubt he has contempt for his own country and would never seek to dramatically diminish its international standing as Obama has systematically done.

    A choice between Obama and Trump is a no brainer.

    A choice between Jeb Bush (or any of the other RINOs) and Trump is murkier.

    A choice between Trump and Cruz (or a handful of the rest) is a no brainer, too.

    I ask myself, could a majority of (voting) Americans actually install Trump as POTUS?

    I think yes. If Arnie could win deep blue California…

  33. Craig Mc

    Trump will be twerking for the cameras by the primaries.

  34. Oh come on

    Trump is behaving as though he can apply his corporate dealmaking strategies to foreign relations. Now, he’s either dumb enough to believe this will work, or he’s duplicitous enough to string along his supporters with such snake oil. Neither marks him out as a quality candidate. If he really thinks he can harangue foreign powers to do his bidding, then he clearly has no understanding of the diplomatic process. Fact is that he can bluster at the Mexicans all he likes – they’ll relish laughing in his face before telling him to get knotted. And there won’t be a damn thing he’ll be able to do about it.

  35. Craig Mc

    I like Paul/Ryan really but America showed last time they were too stupid to get the excellent economic arguments put forward by Ryan.

    That’s the real tragedy. The crap getting into office is only a reflection of the crap voting for it.

  36. Oh come on

    Oh please. We’re all sick of “leaders” “working with other people.”

    We need leaders who lead.

    I don’t endorse Trump but I’m sick to death of scaredy-cats advocating a milquetoast moderate every eight years. Like this was great strategy with McCain and Romney.

    Absolutely. And don’t forget Dubya – would the US really be in a worse state of he vetoed a lot more of the bills sent his way during the dying years of his Presidency and the dawn of the Reid-Pelosi era?

    There is sometimes room to compromise on some matters, as a compromised deal is better than no deal. On other matters, there can – and should – be no compromise, because no deal is better than a watered down deal. Too many nominally conservative politicians today haven’t the foggiest idea where that line is, and will go to any lengths to get a deal done.

  37. Oh come on

    It should be the end of her career. She Brian Williamsed herself.

    Perhaps it would have been until Trump snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with his bleeding tweet. He’s catastropically self-destructive and ill-disciplined – rather like a leftist – when it comes to Twitter. As soon as he decided to run, he should have handed his account over to his campaign manager and had him change the password. Trump’s tweets will be the end of him.

  38. JC

    I notice there are some people supporting Trump for President on this blog. Stop. Stop it right now.

    Trump is good value in what he does, which is to attack opponents and show up hypocrisy. However he would make an absolutely terrible president. Just terrible.

  39. Joe

    Fact is that he can bluster at the Mexicans all he likes – they’ll relish laughing in his face before telling him to get knotted. And there won’t be a damn thing he’ll be able to do about it.

    Oh Really. What if he enacts a law that bans the transfer of money earned in the U.S.A. to Mexico.
    Laughing then are they?

  40. JC

    Oh Really. What if he enacts a law that bans the transfer of money earned in the U.S.A. to Mexico.
    Laughing then are they?

    He’s not going to get Congress to go along with such a rediculous law, so he’ll have to stop transfers by calling out Mexico as a terrorist state which I think he could do under presidential delegated authority. You’re suggesting that’s what he would do? Really?

  41. Oh come on

    Joe, that would hurt the US. Badly. If Mexican companies with US operations can’t remit profits back home, they’ll leave. Or find workarounds (remit via third countries), while the US’s reputation as a free market that’s open to foreign investment will be in tatters.

    But that is the kind of stupid brainfart I’d expect from Trump, so he may just give it a crack.

  42. JC

    Let me repeat Trump policies I’ve picked up of late.

    1. Impose trade sanctions on Mexico, China and Japan through tariffs of 30 to 40%. (He seems to hate the Pac Rim)

    2. Impose a one off 15% tax on high income earners in order to trim the deficit.

    3. Appoint a Fed Chairman who will raise interest rates. Trump also wants to weaken the dollar. How you can tighten monetary policy and weaken the dollar as explicit polices is beyond the scope of the economics profession at this stage, but Trump knows how to do it.

    What Trump wants to do is basically recreate the Hoover depression by following the exact same policies which got the US into a mess from 1929 to32.

  43. stackja

    Steve
    USA was founded to be difficult to govern. James Madison designed that way.

  44. Token

    You seriously feel sorry for Megyn Kelly? She was the attack dog, send in by FOX to bite Trumps ankles.

    If he became president he will be under endless pressure by the totalitarians of the world. He has shown he is not up to the job by this weird petty assault.

  45. Token

    What Trump wants to do is basically recreate the Hoover depression by following the exact same policies which got the US into a mess from 1929 to32.

    Trump and Clinton will complete the job of returning the US civil service into a client system for the few.

    He is quite open about being willing to attack people for the mere sin of resisting his AU-THO-RI-TAR. How is that different to the Obama’s lawless ways?

  46. JC

    If he became president he will be under endless pressure by the totalitarians of the world. He has shown he is not up to the job by this weird petty assault.

    Naaa , she deserved it. Trump has been equally ruthless with males and females, yet Kelly only focused on the female side. If she only sees fault with that, then she deserves to be attacked for having female limitations.

    Fuck her.

  47. USA was founded to be difficult to govern.

    Bloody valid point, Stackja.

  48. Entropy

    Well I’m cool with America’s first female President if you are.

    You have to be careful that the cure is not worse than the disease. Trump would not govern for the people. Clinton has a lot, and I mean a lot of baggage, and no doubt had to put up, and do a lot of stuff she would rather not have done for Obama. To be frank though, I would choose her over Trump if that was the choice.

    The dismal scenario is another Clinton/ Bush rerun. Hillary would win that becupase the ROP wouldn’t bother turning up to vote. I don think a lot would for a trump either, and he would galvanise the left after a year of attacks on him in media. He is a target rich environment all on his own.

  49. .

    3. Appoint a Fed Chairman who will raise interest rates. Trump also wants to weaken the dollar. How you can tighten monetary policy and weaken the dollar as explicit polices is beyond the scope of the economics profession at this stage, but Trump knows how to do it.

    Well, you go into debt…and he wants a wealth tax to cut the debt.

    FFS, he’s a self promoting charlatan.

  50. James Giblon

    Trump donated to the Clintons. Trump supported an assault weapons ban and universal healthcare.

    Trump is a buffoon and a fake conservative.

  51. Marcus

    If that business with Lindsay Graham’s cell phone number over a very mild criticism doesn’t prove to people that Trump’s a megalomaniac psychopath, I don’t know what will.

    A Trump vs. Clinton race would be like some weird Balkan election between ex-war criminals.

  52. Johno

    Is Trump the Democrats best hope of retaining the Presidency?
    He is a genuine political fruitcake who will only assist the Democrats. Anyone who can’t see that has failed Political Realism 101.

  53. Anne

    I like Trump. He’s a lot like me, absent the arrogance and success.

    There’s nothing he’s said that hasn’t been said at dinner parties the world over.

    I’m sick to death of living in horror of rippling the feelings of others.

    For God’s sake, Cowboy up people!

  54. Tim Neilson

    Ren Durham
    #1761386, posted on August 9, 2015 at 7:57 am
    Yeah forget those who’ve been in business because lawyers and union hacks and careerist politicians are so good at forming committees to achieve consensus. Like Europe. More of the same or the creative destruction of a Trump? I know what I’d go for.
    Don’t necessarily agree about Trump personally but you’re right on the money about the big problem. Electing someone who has at least achieved something in a position of responsibility beats the hell out of electing someone whose only achievements are self-promotion (exhibit A, Barack H Obama, Exhibit B Julia E Gillard).

  55. .

    A Trump vs. Clinton race would be like some weird Balkan election between ex-war criminals.

    Gold.

  56. Anne

    I like Trump. He’s a lot like me, absent the arrogance and success.

    There’s nothing he’s said that hasn’t been said at dinner parties the world over.

    I’m sick to death of living in horror of rippling the feelings of others.

    For God’s sake, Cowboy up people!

    By the way, it was Megyn Kelly who brought up that ugly BS feminist crap, without mention of the mocking or venom that came from Rosie O’Donnell. It was a typical leftist gotcha tactic of pointing to victims to establish moral superiority and added nothing to the debate that people care about.

  57. Gab

    Seems Trump was bored. Bored and with lots of money. I think he’s in it just for the laughs and to see how far he could get. He’s not altogether serious about the Presidency, just imo.

  58. Anne

    I believe him, Gab. I think he’s a patriot and genuinely wants to reverse the damage . He’s old enough and smart enough to have seen what Governments do to enterprise. He knows how Government works because he’s been a member of a protected class, crony capitalists. I’m a little worried about his ego but he’s nothing like the sinister characters, Obama and Clinton.

    At some point Trump should make a declarative statement that he will not take one cent in salary from the American people.

  59. Anne

    This is why the Global Elites and Intellectual Classes (Academia & Media) will do everything possible to prevent a Trump Presidency. He’s an individual who can’t be bought.

    Isn’t there a Liberty Quote that pops up here periodically about the most dangerous man to any Government is a man who can work things out for himself.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8u4LfJXzQnw

  60. Entropy

    like Trump. He’s a lot like me, absent the arrogance and success.

    Trump is nothing like you Anne. He is Clive Palmer with a bad haircut. Nothing good will come of it.

  61. Crossie

    Well, the public has ‘had enough and we’re as mad as hell’ and they are voting for the Trump bull in a PC china shop, cause it needs to be smashed.

    The two parties, Democrats and Republicans, don’t want any interference from the public. That they seem to be voting themselves a new electorate with the open borders is the final straw and Trump stumbled into it. Trump is the voters’ proxy.

  62. Anne

    Entropy, noooooo, not Palmer!

    I’m starting to think there is no difference between the Progressive Left and the Progressive Right.

  63. goatjam

    If “only running a business” disqualifies someone from being a good President* then what should we be looking for? More lawyers?

    * I’m not suggesting Trump would be necessarily a good PotUS

  64. Anne

    Goaty, all the smart money is on Community Organising, patronising victims and handing out welfare forms.

    After all, that is the role of Government.

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