Wednesday Forum: September 30, 2015

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  1. Grigory M

    Mass shooters are copycats, story-followers

    Not psychopaths, then. Are you there, Lem? What say you to this?

  2. Makka

    twostix
    #1815334, posted on October 2, 2015 at 1:35 pm

    “Don’t say anything! They’ll twist it and mock us!!!”

    Bullshit, that’s not what I stated or meant so you can stop the verballing. All we will get to see of this important message is what Newman thinks of Australia’s gaols and immigration procedures. Chalk another win up to the baby killers.

  3. Sooo… blog posts by the shooter are evidence that media attention to other shooters was important to him.

    Remarkable.

  4. Lysander

    Bolt links to NY Post article which says students were lined up and asked if Christian. If they said “yes” they were shot in the head. If no answer or “no” they were shot in the legs.

  5. Anyone betting on SMM (six month Malcom) being dumped early, like before Christmas?

    Incoherent Rambler, I think the Liberal Party functionaries who really know what’s happening*, are quietly crapping themselves due to buyers remorse..
    I think we may just get a nice Christmas present, but wouldn’t care to bet on it.
    Who would have believed that the Malcolm/Bishop duo would be on the nose so quickly?
    * That is the cleaner and the carwash bloke.

  6. Slayer of Memes

    “disrupt the ability of women to access lawful reproductive medicine”

    Pretty sure that abortion is the exact OPPOSITE of reproduction…

  7. Derp

    Billy Madison, Happy Gilmore, The Wedding Singer and The Waterboy are all comedy classics.

    ahh Julie Bowen before she became some strange, wiry, white woman gym junkie.
    You can do it!
    The rest of the films however, are all total and utter shite.

  8. Oh come on

    All we will get to see of this important message is what Newman thinks of Australia’s gaols and immigration procedures

    Not really his fault, though, is it, Makka? The truth-makers in the media will do to him what we’ve observed them do to their ideological opponents time and again. Dealing with them is our responsibility; our fight. He’s done well to get this far.

    Besides, if his past was completely uncontroversial, we wouldn’t even hear about him.

  9. Slayer of Memes

    So you’re voting for Turnbull and the LNP for the rest of your life?

    Hell no.

    I’ll be voting for Shorten next election. After all, I already know exactly how much he wants to fuck up the country…

    With Malcolm it seems it all depends on which way the wind is blowing on a particular day… and how much advantage is in it for Malcolm.

  10. Gab

    A vote for Liberal is a vote for Labor in any case.

  11. Slayer of Memes

    At the moment, it most certainly is Gab

  12. Lysander

    I agree Gab. Let Labor get in and fuck it all up instead of Libs. That should help grow some wariness amongst Lib ranks.

  13. Empire

    In his transgressive invocation of lameness, Sandler articulates the discordant ephemera of a world habituated to the misdirection of the mundane and unremarkable while elevating via his artistry the resilient ennui of a proletarian class trapped in capitalism’s opiated wasteland of amusements and distractions.

    areff

    More, please.

  14. areff

    Not today, Empire. Off to play golf, which is more important –the nineteenth hole even more so.

  15. calli

    Speaking of golf, this morning I was treated to the spectacle of a juvenile kangaroo “boxing” with the flag on the 18th, and trying to bend the pole.

    Something for everyone on the OT today.

  16. Makka

    “Not really his fault, though, is it, Makka?”

    No it isn’t. I did also state that he should be allowed in and therefore to speak. However the cut through wont be there because Newman has his baggage.We need more and better advocacy to turn this debate imo.

  17. Empire

    Understood – another time.

    ROTFLMAO.

  18. twostix

    Bullshit, that’s not what I stated or meant so you can stop the verballing. All we will get to see of this important message is what Newman thinks of Australia’s gaols and immigration procedures. Chalk another win up to the baby killers.

    You see where I’m going with this don’t you? Even Barry O’Farrells “moderate” stance on abortion was also branded as completely unacceptable the moment he tried to pass Zoe’s Law. Anything less than full endorsement of abortion up until birth is “unacceptable” and they’ll make the issue about the person no matter how mealy mouthed and “professional” they are.

    Meanwhile they openly talk about killing term babies, protect the disturbingly high number of psychopaths who work as abortionists, get to say whatever they want and are offered the full protection of the establishment.

    It doesn’t matter what you say, either a Newman or a big pro-choice homo like Barry O’Farrell, they will treat them the as the same thing.

  19. Ros

    For those who missed it Terry Barnes, Spectator. If Barnes knows his business it is hard not to conclude that Canning would have shown Abbott would win an election, so the treacherous ego took him out. As the “Hunter” leader he was after the status, and grubs like Roy the rewards of a ministry. And for the Queensland contingent the rent of office, via the light rail.

    “There’s no doubt that Turnbull’s ascension will build the Liberal vote in Labor seats, as well as in the blue-ribbons like his own seat of Wentworth, But to win his own mandate, Turnbull has to win over outer suburban marginals, and he can’t take them for granted. He has to prove to them, by his politics and policies that, like Abbott, he does understand their lives far removed from the inner cities.

    If Turnbull can do this, especially by practising what he preached on spill night about honouring the broad church of the Liberal party, he has every chance of delivering on his saviour’s promise. But if the outer suburbs become Turnbull’s forgotten people, be they tradie paradises like Patterson Lakes or the new suburbs housing Howard’s battlers and Abbott’s aspirationals, the new prime minister may yet be remembered for being a very naughty boy rather than a messiah. There’s his real challenge.”

    Turnbull is not looking good as yet. His exclusion of small business can’t be going down well. Maybe yet to permeate but it will.


    They may be patronised by academics and self-styled intellectuals, but outer suburban communities like Patto, and Mandurah in Western Australia’s by-election electorate of Canning, are where Australian federal elections are won and lost.

  20. Des Deskperson

    Just checked out the new APS demographic stats at 30 June 2015.

    There has been a 3.5% drop in overall Commonwealth public servant numbers, from 157 thousand to 152 thousand, or a drop-off about 8% since the Coalition came to power.

    Ongoing staff – what we used to call ‘permanent’ – are down 5.8%, from 144 thousand to 136 thousand.

    ‘Non-ongoing staff’ – APS cant for temps – is up 21.9%. About ten per cent of the APS are temps.

  21. Stimpson J. Cat

    Actually he mentions “the left hand path” on the bottom of that profile.

    If he’s a Satanist then I am the next reincarnation of the Dalai Llama.

  22. Bruce of Newcastle

    Thommo gets a boot up the bum.

    Commission releases damning report on HSU

    So do Williamson and Jackson.

  23. Stimpson J. Cat

    The rest of the films however, are all total and utter shite.

    Now now.
    Punch Drunk Love has one of my favorite movie scenes:

    Barry: I’m lookin’ at your face and I just wanna smash it. I just wanna fuckin’ smash it with a sledgehammer and squeeze it. You’re so pretty.
    Lena: I want to chew your face, and I want to scoop out your eyes and I want to eat them and chew them and suck on them.
    Barry: OK. This is funny. This is nice.

  24. calli

    If he’s a Satanist then I am the next reincarnation of the Dalai Llama.

    Just Googled it, Your Orangeness, and pretty much all the references are for Satanism. That’s the interwebs for you.

  25. Ragu

    Don’t forget to pack your one-and-a-half wood Areff. 280 off the tee guaranteed

  26. Top Ender

    In the New York Post:

    Oregon gunman singled out Christians during rampage
    By Chris PerezOctober 1, 2015 | 7:04pm

    Oregon gunman singled out Christians during rampage

    A 26-year-old gunman singled out Christians for slaughter during a rampage at an Oregon community college Thursday, leaving at least 9 people dead and many more wounded, survivors and authorities said.

    “The shooter was lining people up and asking if they were Christian,” tweeted “@bodhilooney,” who said her grandmother was inside the Umpqua Community College classroom that was the scene of the 10:40 a.m. carnage.

    “If they said yes, then they were shot in the head. If they said no, or didn’t answer, they were shot in the legs.”

    Drudge is also running a story that Obama’s 12 minute speech referred to himself 28 times.

  27. Empire

    Turdball lost the NSW and Qld tradies on Monday night at the Dally M.

    He’s probably on perpetual Code Dickhead Status with them from here on in.

  28. Stimpson J. Cat

    That’s the interwebs for you.

    Well at least I don’t have to shave my head.
    Somebody get me Richard Gere and the remaining Beastie Boys on the line.
    I feel a Free Tibet concert coming on.
    And Miley just for laughs…

  29. calli

    Forgive me. I meant Your Saffronness. Much more exotic.

  30. Stimpson J. Cat

    If he was a card carrying member the Church is going to be in big trouble…

  31. twostix

    So, surprise! it turns out that “Multiculturalism” is merely a title for the never ending process of abolishing western freedoms:

    Six ethnic and cultural groups, including key representatives of the Chinese, Indian and Greek communities, have joined the NSW Jewish umbrella body in calling for race hate laws to be tightened.

    The Australian Hellenic Council of NSW, Assyrian Universal Alliance and the National Sikh Council of Australia have also joined the push, sparked by a failure by authorities to act over a ­racial tirade by the local head of ­Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir.

    Six ethnic and cultural groups, including key representatives of the Chinese, Indian and Greek communities, have joined the NSW Jewish umbrella body in calling for race hate laws to be tightened.

    What this unlikely band of allies are saying is they want to further ban the exclusively western freedom to speak, in this western country, above and beyond what has already been banned by the various Multiculturalism demanded anti-discrimination laws at state and federal levels.

    There is no end to it.

  32. Makka

    “Turdball lost the NSW and Qld tradies on Monday night at the Dally M.”

    They don’t matter either then. Christ it’s so fking depressing , watching this Gov’t sell out to every leftist impulse they stumble over. I can’t stomache watching this disgusting milieu.

  33. Top Ender

    Rich puts the boot in generally in The Oz – from behind the paywall:

    Turnbull apparently has worked out that to ensure that bounce becomes permanent he can’t carry on with policies that the electorate, let alone those pesky Senate crossbenchers, just won’t wear. The next election is not all that far off and the decks had to be cleared.

    Imagine my surprise, then, when Julie Bishop, of whom I am an unabashed fan, came up with something that will rank among the medal contenders for stupid, irrelevant and even bizarre announcements. Up pops the big story: Australia will seek election to the UN Security Council in (wait for it, and you will have to do plenty of waiting) 2029. Fourteen years from now we will make our bid.

    If Turnbull wants to show how in touch he is with ordinary voting mortals, this surely was the way not to go about it.

    One wonders if there are more than a tiny handful of our 22 million inhabitants who give a rat’s bottom about our 2029 bid.

    When Australia won its recent spot on the UN Security Council we were a late entrant. We came late to the party but, because of an energetic and innovative campaign, Australia carried off the prize. What’s more, the margin was 140 to 53. How do we know what late entrants to the race we will face?

    Unfortunately, at least three Australians were excited by the news. Apart from our Prime Minister and Foreign Minister, Tanya Plibersek chimed in with her support for this quixotic quest.

    Tanya, just remember you are in opposition. Why not stand up and ask why, in this new era of optimism the PM is trying to create, Australia seems so reluctant to have a go just a tad sooner than 14 long, wasted years?

    This was worthy of an attack rather than the small-minded, snide bitching from Labor about who would sit next to our Foreign Minister at the UN.

  34. Brian of Moorabbin

    Thanks to budget cuts suggested by the Andrews CFMEU government in Victoriastan, behold the new VicPol firearms training simulator being tested

    😉

  35. Ragu

    Krauthammer on a White House spokesperson saying that Russia is not a threat because they have lost influence in the region

    “You can’t argue against that because it is a delusion that requires chemical treatment.”

  36. twostix

    “Tradies” liked Abbott because he abolished the carbon tax, banned boaties and gave them tax deductions.

    They don’t like Turnbull because he’s a vain, untrustworthy banker bajillionaire who patronises them.

    This stuff isn’t rocket science. Yet, still, it’s beyond the grasp of the political and media classes who know the everyman doen’t like Turnbull so talk about how to trick them into liking him.

  37. Splatacrobat

    The shooter was lining people up and asking if they were Christian. If they said yes, then they were shot in the head

    For the second and subsequent persons you would have thought the obvious answer was NO.

    If this happened at Vanderbilt They would have answered “no and I’ll help you reload”.

  38. Lysander

    The shooter said he was against organised religion

    I always find these people to be cop outs. You know the sort, they’re like “well I engage in feng shui, I do my good deed by giving some of my money to those tin rattlers at the footy while supporting those of Islamic faith. The Dalai Lama is also such a nice man.”

    They’re basically the encapsulation of a lefty with too much money (no sense) on their hands “decorating” their houses disguising the fact that they hate the Christian religion; not “organised” religion. Get some balls and either dislike religion full stop or not. Don’t make up your own pseudo neo-progressive selectivist relativist spirituality which basically means you do whatever you want anyway…FFS!

  39. C.L.

    Good points re LDP/IPA silence, Gab.

    But something more disturbing: no comment either from Australia’s notoriously cowardly Catholic bishops. Mind you, these are the blokes who churn out ‘pastoral statements’ on ‘climate change’ like Clive Palmer’s toilet roll churns out squares.

    But the jailing of a pro-life activist on the orders of a ‘Catholic’ convert?

    Nothing. Silence.

  40. Makka

    “Turnbull is not looking good as yet. His exclusion of small business can’t be going down well. Maybe yet to permeate but it will.”

    Turncoat is managing policy by the numbers. He’s banking on the base getting over it eventually, certainly enough to not usher in the filth. Meantime he is courting the featherbrained swing voters who these days are all shades of Left. His main strategy is piss off nobody (except the base) and show empathy especially those who vociferously oppose you. There should be enough vote leakage to get him over the line, is the plan.

    If Turd is elected next election, that is when the real worry will begin. I’m expecting something like a Tony Blair/Cameron mongrel mix with Green shades dressed up as economy stimulous. Turncoat doesn’t at all mind a lot more debt as ‘investment’. He will be trying to outspend Shorten.

  41. C.L.

    I don’t support the death penalty but I won’t lose any sleep if Roe v. Wade and Emily’s List icon Kermit Gosnell is shanked in the prison yard.

  42. thefrollickingmole

    Fair work commission finds a new low to sink to.

    Former SBS reporter Scott McIntyre has been granted permission to sue the broadcaster for unfair dismissal at the Fair Work Commission after he lost his job for tweeting controversial views about Anzac Day.

    At the Fair Work Commission on Thursday, commissioner Ian Cambridge referred to the freedoms the Anzacs fought for, saying McIntyre deserved a fair hearing and his “day in court”.

    Sports reporter Scott McIntyre to sue SBS for sacking over Anzac Day tweets
    Read more
    “It is perhaps sadly ironic that many members of the Australian defence force lost their lives in the earnest pursuit of the protection of rights and freedoms such as the access to a fair hearing which the applicant is entitled to obtain,” Cambridge said.

    to jog your memory this is what the maggot lost his job for.

    McIntyre began his tweets by criticising what he said was the “cultification [sic] of an imperialist invasion”.

    “Remembering the summary execution, widespread rape and theft committed by these brave Anzacs in Egypt, Palestine and Japan,” he said.

    McIntyre was asked by SBS management to delete the posts but he refused to do so.

    I wonder what sort of bottom infesting tapeworm would take this case on??

    In May his lawyers, Maurice Blackburn, said the case would focus on whether the views expressed by McIntyre constituted political opinion and whether SBS terminated his employment for expressing those views.

  43. Grigory M

    280 off the tee guaranteed

    275, fuckwit – and that’s for me – arreff might hit it further.

  44. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #1815156, posted on October 2, 2015 at 11:14 am

    Disgusting.

    CLL – The local freebie papers are all full of ads saying ‘have you been left out of a will?’ There was even a big ad from Slugs and Grubs in the Newcastle Star yesterday – albeit ambulance chasing rather than robbing the dead.

    Western Australian”Family Provision Act, 1972″ is quite strict about who can apply for provision under a will, and apparently, mediation is the first step.

  45. Ros

    Oh Des, if his lackeys are reading here you will have drawn their attention to that achievement of Abbott’s. First they will have to leak something like Department heads advise PM that staff seriously ill due to excessive strain from Abbott reducing numbers. And then start hiring. Actually he has been generating public sector jobs with gusto, probably back up by now.

  46. Former SBS reporter Scott McIntyre has been granted permission to sue the broadcaster for unfair dismissal at the Fair Work Commission after he lost his job for tweeting controversial views about Anzac Day.

    My money is on him winning his case.
    I’m, shall we say, not inexperienced in the Orwellian/Kafkaesque world of “unfair” dismissal. I would not be game to sack anybody over the tweet he made.

  47. Bear Necessities

    Just checked out the new APS demographic stats at 30 June 2015.

    There has been a 3.5% drop in overall Commonwealth public servant numbers, from 157 thousand to 152 thousand, or a drop-off about 8% since the Coalition came to power.

    Ongoing staff – what we used to call ‘permanent’ – are down 5.8%, from 144 thousand to 136 thousand.

    ‘Non-ongoing staff’ – APS cant for temps – is up 21.9%. About ten per cent of the APS are temps.

    You would think with all the online/Straight Through Processing that is occuring with welfare payments (That is the main frontline service of the fed government) that is should continue to drop over time. Also what i noticed from those numbers is that the APS is getting top heavy with managers and executives. The rate of increase in executive/managerial appointments is in some cases greater than 50% in the last decade or so. The lower level staff percentage increase in numbers is much less.

  48. incoherent rambler

    Hell no.

    I’ll be voting for Shorten next election. After all, I already know exactly how much he wants to f[.]ck up the country…

    With Malcolm it seems it all depends on which way the wind is blowing on a particular day… and how much advantage is in it for Malcolm.

    The logic is sound.

    And the twitteratti have more influence than the wind.

    It is not difficult to make decisions when you self-mono-principled.

  49. srr

    TheirABC NEWS 24, can’t get the news to air.

    It’s like some mad monkey on ICE is dancing on the controls.

    It’s like The Anti-Christ’s have gone to war on too many fronts at once.

    They’ve given up on even trying to get the news to air now.

    They’ve dug up an old One Plus One suck up to the Green’s Bob Brown.

    Maybe they are discovering life in a gun/bomb free zone, themselves.

    So much explosive news not making the news lately …

  50. incoherent rambler

    you -> you are

  51. Beertruk

    thefrollickingmole
    #1814634, posted on October 1, 2015 at 5:37 pm
    Hmm I may have killed a new lefty meme dead on arrival over at the gruinaid.

    The latest hyperventilation subject is crims awaiting deportation being kept in the same centers as failed asylum seekers.

    Thank you for that, Mole. A leftard mate on spacechook was ‘hyperventilating’ over the same thing last night. I used your link to the deportation policy and the fact that it was a minister in Keating Government that made the statement. I’ll let it ‘fester away’ for a few hours then go and see if I get a reaction to it.

  52. Infidel Tiger

    Nothing from our Freedom Commissioner on the jailed US citizen with scary opinions.

    I do note that he is however having a whale of a time on our dime with the despots at the UN.

  53. Rudiau

    ARMED Air Force Vet Was on Umpqua Campus – BARRED From Assisting Victims During Shooting.

    Air Force veteran John Parker said he was armed but was not allowed to assist the victims during the shooting.

    Parker is a student at Umpqua Community College.
    John Parker was in the veteran’s center with other veterans.
    He went out to help the victims.
    But officials barred him from helping the victims as they were being gunned down.

    “I was carrying. And I was ready to help.”

    Parker told Hannity, “I’m licensed to carry and I will continue to carry.”

    Officials = School staff.
    Makes you wonder.
    Headline could have read.

    Vet With CC Stops Massacre At Umpqua.

    Not a good headline for gun control freaks.

  54. incoherent rambler

    So who would you be more likely to buy a used car (or bridge) from, Bill or Mal?

  55. calli

    But something more disturbing: no comment either from Australia’s notoriously cowardly Catholic bishops.

    Father Tilty McHeadtilt is sure to have something supportive and compassionate on his Gosford noticeboard.

  56. thefrollickingmole

    Has Quentin Bryce weighed in on the poor chap languishing in detention for his anti-abortion views?

    Beertruk
    Excellent, but if my experience is anything to go by it will either die quietly, or they will continue on as though the facts dont exist.

  57. Des Deskperson

    Salvatore, I agree.

    Presumably, the case revolves around whether McIntyre breached this section of the SBS social media protocols and whether SBS management issued a reasonable order in trying to get him to remove it:

    ‘When communicating in either a professional or personal manner do not act in ways likely to bring yourself or SBS into disrepute. Follow the SBS Code of Conduct.’

    Bringing the organisation into disrepute is a very fraught concept, particularly when, as I understand it, he was tweeting in his own time using his own resources and that he was a sports commentator, thus less likely to be perceived as trashing the SBS’s reputation – such as it is – for political independence. He may or may not be reinstated, but he’ll certainly get some money.

    It’s a pity that immaturity and unoriginality aren’t sacking offences for a journo.

  58. Fisky

    The Freedom Commissioner is silent because Turnbull is looking for any reason at all to sack him to the applause of the Twitterati.

    When the libertarian Turnbull government finally does sack the Freedom Commissioner, all pro-Turnbull libertarians must co-sign a public apology statement.

  59. This Newtown, or whatever his name is, has extremist/zealotic views.
    So what?
    The man advocates activism by peaceful means & advocates working within the law.
    So his opinions are too extreme for some precious little petals.

    Regardless of the veracity/abhorrence/appeal of his opinions, I cannot think of a valid reason to cancel/deny him a visa, or to bar him entry to the country.

    So he’s a crackpot? Big deal.

  60. Lysander

    Bringing the organisation into disrepute is a very fraught concept, particularly when, as I understand it, he was tweeting in his own time using his own resources and that he was a sports commentator, thus less likely to be perceived as trashing the SBS’s reputation – such as it is – for political independence. He may or may not be reinstated, but he’ll certainly get some money.

    I’d say he was tweeting on an SBS issued mobile phone with an SBS endorsed twitter account…

  61. thefrollickingmole

    On the SBS chap.

    I work for a mining company, they have been at pains and it is part of the policy that social media use mustn’t bring the name of the company into disrepute.

    That includes private accounts in my own time that might mention where I work/company name.

  62. I’d say he was tweeting on an SBS issued mobile phone with an SBS endorsed twitter account…

    I’m not sure he was Lysander.
    That aside, even without current unfair dismissal laws & other associated stupid regulations, I’m not sure I’d get rid of someone for his tweet. However a tweet like his never happens in a vacuum. He’s been at that sort of thing for quite a while I’d say.

    He’s one sick puppy (read his tweet) & the content of his tweet conveys a far deeper message, one that any employer should take note of. As soon as practicable I’d certainly find a reason to quietly bush him.

  63. Empire

    So who would you be more likely to buy a used car (or bridge) from, Bill or Mal?

    With legislated lease back guarantee?

    Depends what term/yield they’re putting on the table.

    This is the world of the socio-corporatist economy. Capital guaranteed with your extorted income.

  64. thefrollickingmole

    On another topic has anyone else been watching the awful “the honorable woman” on SBS?

    I thought it might be ok, but the combo of almost complete predictability accompanied by hysterical music before “unpredictable emotional/plot twist” is making it like wading through glue.

    Playing wailing music when a character turns around while another gives them an emotional look is about as subtle as lighting up a row of fireworks behind them with “about to be shot” strobing over and over.

    Yet its got 8/9 out of 10 reviews.

  65. Rudiau

    HOW MUCH DO KERRY AND OBAMA HATE NETANYAHU? Abbas Unbound?


    Mr. Ravid quotes one Israeli familiar with the details as saying that the state secretary “was in listening mode during the meeting” and “specifically stated that he and the administration were not in the business of advising on internal Israeli politics.”

    What malarkey. It was only a few months ago that Mr. Obama’s allies actually funded and ran a political operation to drive Prime Minister Netanyahu from office and get Mr. Herzog elected premier. They were famously humiliated by Israel’s voters. So now they’re advising Mr. Abbas to hang back from direct peace talks until Secretary Kerry can intervene, as he long ago did to pave the way for a communist victory in Vietnam and more recently to grease the appeasement with Iran. Being unbound from Oslo is the least of it.

  66. Ros

    I am sure that the young man was on his sbs account. And he was more than just a little silly. He is quite the political activist. Into banning Israel from soccer etc.

  67. Oh come on

    Seeing Family First snaffle many more of your first pref funds should hurt. But doing anything but leaving Labor and Greens last and second last is mad.

    Blogstrop, you are rapidly approaching blindly loyal LNP supporter status. The Greens should always be preferenced last, but I think it’s perfectly reasonable to preference the ALP above the Libs. The Libs need to be punished to the point of political oblivion, so they learn to never try anything like this again. Never ever.

  68. Baldrick

    How’s our self-proclaimed Libertarian P.M. going …

    Troy Newman has lost his bid to overturn minister’s decision to revoke his visa, also ordered to pay costs. Deported over the weekend.

  69. Oh come on

    I’d like to see the Libs reduced to the junior party in the coalition at the next election.

  70. I’d like to see the Libs reduced to the junior party in the coalition at the next election.

    +1

  71. Empire

    I’d like to see the Libs reduced to the junior party in the coalition at the next election.

    Excellent.

  72. Lysander

    I am sure that the young man was on his sbs account. And he was more than just a little silly. He is quite the political activist. Into banning Israel from soccer etc.

    I’m sure he had been warned before about his tweeting…

  73. Infidel Tiger

    How’s our self-proclaimed Libertarian P.M. going …

    Troy Newman has lost his bid to overturn minister’s decision to revoke his visa, also ordered to pay costs. Deported over the weekend.

    I guess Section 18c is still up for discussion?

    What a country.

  74. Grigory M

    Troy Newman has lost his bid to overturn minister’s decision to revoke his visa, also ordered to pay costs. Deported over the weekend.

    Ohhhh – sniff.

    Justice Geoffrey Nettle ruled the Department was justified in revoking Mr Newman’s visa over fears the visit would pose a risk to the community.

    Justice Nettle ruled Mr Newman may have had a case to challenge the refusal, but said he should not have boarded a plane to Australia knowing his visa had been cancelled.

    “Acting as he did means he does not come to this court with clean hands,” he said.

  75. Makka

    I’d like to see the Libs reduced to the junior party in the coalition at the next election.

    Yes . A palatable solution to ditching Turdbull and the Libs.

  76. P

    “As the communications minister, Malcolm was very forthcoming with his time, his door was always open.

    I’m hoping, and it looks as though, that’s the attitude he’s taking into his new role as Prime Minister.”

    Oh yeah.

    (sarc)

  77. Gab

    Tim Wilson [email protected] Sep 28

    The ACT’s ridiculous overreach isn’t just the nanny state gone mad, it’s actually a serious attack on free speech: http://theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/industry-slams-act-ban-on-ads-as-overreach-of-nanny-state/story-e6frgczx-1227547963354

    That ban was on advertisements for fossil fuels, junk food, ­alcohol, gambling or defence ­industries on Canberra’s public buses.

    But Tim Wilson has said nothing about Troy Newman’s right to free speech.

  78. C.L.

    Am I the only one catching the wafting pong of Eau de Rudd?

  79. Blogstrop

    You can regard me as blindly loyal if you like. I regard all those who want Labor back as completely retarded or just more vicious mediocrities themselves.

  80. Fisky

    Any libertarians want to defend Turnbull now? Where is Aussiepundit?

  81. Gab

    Malcolm Rudd has been tweeting and taking selfies to his black little heart’s content. His ego knows no bounds.

  82. Infidel Tiger

    Peter Dutton must be aborted. What a coward.

  83. Am I the only one catching the wafting pong of Eau de Rudd?

    No.
    Quite the contrary actually.

  84. I’d like to see the Libs reduced to the junior party in the coalition at the next election.

    OCO, that would be particularly sweet. I was particularly delighted to hear on Their ABC that the QLD Nationals were decimated after Tim Fisher betrayed us for Howard’s gun laws. Would love to get info about the other states too.

    However though I will be voting to bring them down I suspect it will be an unsatisfying result.

  85. srr

    The ALA was formed about 18 months ago after Q’s privately commissioned polling by Roy Morgan Research showed a total 36% ‘very likely’ and ‘likely’ to vote for a political party proposing to stop or reduce immigration from Islamic countries.

    That’s more than three times the best figures for the Greens, which polls between 8% and 12%. Translated to the Senate a political party with that size vote could hold the much-coveted balance of power ahead of the Greens.

    Robinson says that since the Turnbull overthrow of Tony Abbott membership enquiries have surged. Before the coup, their Facebook page had 40,000 weekly post views.

    The week after the Turnbull coup this surged to over 800,000 views.

    You can read their manifesto in full here:

    http://australianlibertyalliance.org/downloads/ALA_MANIFESTO_OG14001R1.pdf

    The Party is launching in Perth on October 20, where its first parliamentary candidates will be introduced. Dutch MP, Islamic-critical Geert Wilders, will be visiting Australia for the launch.

    It’s apparent ALA is not another One Nation or PUP, which were both built on misdirected impulses with questionable candidates, personality clashes, and flawed erratic policies that led to inevitable implosions.

    ALA seems to exude a patient confidence and purpose knowing there is a swelling tide of unhappy, disaffected voters looking for a new voice. So far they are not on the radar of most of the mainstream media (MSM), which is the way the party has wanted it.

    If the juggernaut in Europe and social media in Australia are any indication, the MSM haven’t yet realised what is on the way. Neither have the other major parties.

    But that’s bound to change after the ALA launches this month.

    I came away believing this is a sound Party of substance and commitment with the promise of longevity. They have clearly done their homework and it’s my belief that they have every chance of snaring a well-deserved place in the Australian political spectrum.

    http://www.zanettisview.com

  86. Slayer of Memes

    I guess Section 18c is still up for discussion?

    Pretty sure that Lord Waffleworth, Duke of Point Piper, has said he’ll be looking into that right after he jumps down Dutton’s thoat, and reinstates Newman’s visa.

    That’s what a true libertarian PM would do..

    ….isn’t it?

  87. Fisky

    You can regard me as blindly loyal if you like. I regard all those who want Labor back as completely retarded or just more vicious mediocrities themselves.

    You are absolutely right. Just imagine what will happen if Labor are elected. Taxes will go up, NBN costs will explode, billions of dollars wasted on protected industries, free speech banned, Christians jailed, and Muslim extremists appeased.

    Oh.

  88. Fisky

    Also, Maurice Newman will lose his job while Tim Flannery will keep his. Better not vote Labor!

  89. Gab

    You know what they are all scared of, why they are all silent? The IPA, Tim Wilson, the Archbishops, Leyonhjelm? It’s about abortion and woe betide anyone who gets in the way of a feminazi and abortion.

    They are all afraid of the feminazi backlash. So they remain silent.

  90. Slayer of Memes

    You can regard me as blindly loyal if you like. I regard all those who want Labor back as completely retarded or just more vicious mediocrities themselves.

    Tell that to Troy Newman…..

  91. Fisky

    I think Tim Wilson is afraid of losing his job more than anything else. Turnbull would LOVE to sack Wilson to the applause of the Left.

  92. Baldrick

    Justice Nettle ruled Mr Newman may have had a case to challenge the refusal, but said he should not have boarded a plane to Australia knowing his visa had been cancelled.
    “Acting as he did means he does not come to this court with clean hands,” he said.

    Looking forward to the next High Court Justice to make the same ruling about a country-shopper throwing away there travel documents.

  93. Rorschach

    You can regard me as blindly loyal if you like. I regard all those who want Labor back as completely retarded or just more vicious mediocrities themselves.

    Just blind.

    I want a party that is made up of individuals that put the welfare and security of the nation first and foremost and get out of the way of business and enterprise. The only way to get this is to have the “conservative” party refreshed with these types of individuals and that means EVERY ONE OF THE CURRENT LIBERAL LEECHES NEEDS TO GO. If that means a Labor Govt for a bit – so be it. Can’t get any worse.

    Oh yes – rinse and recucle until they get the message.

  94. Infidel Tiger

    I think Tim Wilson is afraid of losing his job more than anything else. Turnbull would LOVE to sack Wilson to the applause of the Left.

    I don’t think so. 90% of Wilson’s job is now talking about SSM.

  95. Slayer of Memes

    Justice Nettle ruled Mr Newman may have had a case to challenge the refusal, but said he should not have boarded a plane to Australia knowing his visa had been cancelled.
    “Acting as he did means he does not come to this court with clean hands,” he said.

    Looking forward to the next High Court Justice to make the same ruling about a country-shopper throwing away there travel documents.

    Bloggy, Bloggy, Bloggy…

    Don’t you remember?

    It’s different when they do it…

  96. Infidel Tiger

    Also, Maurice Newman will lose his job while Tim Flannery will keep his.

    Maurice Newman has already lost his job.

  97. OCO, that would be particularly sweet. I was particularly delighted to hear on Their ABC that the QLD Nationals were decimated after Tim Fisher betrayed us for Howard’s gun laws. Would love to get info about the other states too.

    Every conservative state government that supported Gun Control (the Howard gun laws) was eliminated at the subsequent state election.

    The NSW National Party near crapped themselves when they felt the degree of anger and were told at a state conference how few of their voters would still vote for the Nationals.

    20 years later & I can name dozens of people who have not voted conservative since 1996, and will not give Liberal/National their vote, for life.

    “You get my vote back when I get my guns back” Is heard by plenty of Nationals candidates during door knocking, and heard aplenty at the how-to-vote handout on election days.
    Deservedly so.

  98. Justice Nettle ruled Mr Newman may have had a case to challenge the refusal, but said he should not have boarded a plane to Australia knowing his visa had been cancelled.

    “Acting as he did means he does not come to this court with clean hands,” he said.

    Clean hands doctrine? Ooooooh kay. The court case was not about free speech but immigration law, I am sure.

    But clean hands… in a case involving Turnbull….

    Excuse me while I get the taste of sick out of my mouth.

  99. Grigory M

    90% of Wilson’s job is now talking about SSM.

    “Always back self interest.”

    h/t – Jack Lang

  100. Gab

    The court case was not about free speech but immigration law, I am sure

    Yes, I’m sure that’s the angle the “libertarians” will take.

  101. tractorboy

    The only problem with the Liberty Alliance manifesto is they believe in the unicorn of thorium energy production

  102. Grigory M

    The court case was not about free speech but immigration law, I am sure

    Yes, I’m sure that’s the angle the “libertarians” will take.

    Hard to believe. Maybe he thought a visa was just a credit card.

  103. Slayer of Memes

    Sorry, my last comment (@4.25pm) should have been for Baldrick

  104. Blogstrop

    Well, you saw how much damage was done in six years. Another term or two of Labor (and probably with Green help)? There won’t be anything left for your idealised fantasy party – that doesn’t exist now and is not likely to be summoned into existence by a nation in extremis – to do. Are libertarians really nihilistic anarchists?

  105. Makka

    “Justice Nettle ruled Mr Newman may have had a case to challenge the refusal, but said he should not have boarded a plane to Australia knowing his visa had been cancelled.
    “Acting as he did means he does not come to this court with clean hands,” he said.”

    What a surprise. Let’s now see how he goes on his next visa application having been found prior to enter the country illegally. Bravo, brilliant winning strategy.

  106. Baldrick

    Sorry, my last comment (@4.25pm) should have been for Baldrick

    I saw what you did there Slayer 😉

  107. Infidel Tiger

    The only problem with the Liberty Alliance manifesto is they believe in the unicorn of thorium energy production

    They also have protectionist tendencies and believe in increasing the GST.

    I prefer the ALP who have protectionist tendencies but won’t touch the GST.

  108. Empire

    I regard all those who want Labor back as completely retarded or just more vicious mediocrities themselves

    At the 2015 ALP National Conference, Bill Shorten committed to a 50% RET. The surprise dramatic increase in the target was the result of a GetUp style grassroots campaign launched by a new green style faction in the party. The popular support was so strong, Tits decided to adopt a clearly insane (on cost-benefit basis) policy position that will clearly bankrupt the nation. A bankrupt nation cannot control its borders nor defend its capital.

    This is the Corbyn phenomena on a club scale. We could expect it to occur on a national scale if the ALP control the treasury any time soon.

    The LNP is yet to descend to that level of rank unprincipled idiocy, despite the worsening trend.

    Your comment is hyperbolic, but I agree with your premise that an LNP govt is preferable at this point in time.

  109. rickw

    Edge of Tommorrow was a rom-com wasn’t it?!

  110. Bruce of Newcastle

    they believe in the unicorn of thorium energy production

    You can stick thorium into a CANDU reactor already. No one bothers because they don’t need to.

    So its not at all a unicorn. The molten salt reactor is though, because they haven’t properly addressed the materials corrosion issues.

  111. Gab

    Terri Butler (ALP) says jump. The Liberals say “How high?”

  112. Baldrick

    What a surprise. Let’s now see how he goes on his next visa application having been found prior to enter the country illegally. Bravo, brilliant winning strategy.

    Quite obviously if Newman had of been ‘pro-choice’ and pro-selling foetus parts he’d of been allowed a visa.
    What a country!

  113. tractorboy

    They also have protectionist tendencies and believe in increasing the GST.

    I prefer the ALP who have protectionist tendencies but won’t touch the GST.

    If they actually did taxation reform, and reduced personal and company tax, then i would be fine with an increase in the GST, but as Sir Humphrey would say that would be a “brave decision minister”

  114. Gab

    Quite obviously if Newman had of been ‘pro-choice’ and pro-selling foetus parts he’d of been allowed a visa.

    He did have a visa. It was illegally revoked States-side by Australian immigration due to Terri Butler’s lies.

  115. P

    “You get my vote back when I get my guns back” Is heard by plenty of Nationals candidates during door knocking, and heard aplenty at the how-to-vote handout on election days.
    Deservedly so.

    I know many of whom you speak. I’m on their side.
    After the recent events in Oregon, I admit that many more may disagree. Not me.

  116. Slayer of Memes

    Don’t know about the others Bloggy, but I’m not a libertarian.

    I classify myself as a conservative and, until the Liberal Party returns to it’s conservative roots (“They don’t matter…”), then why should I vote for an erstatz version of the ALP and watch faux-conservatives trash the country when I can vote for the real thing and teach the fuckers a lesson they will never forget?

    Maybe then the Liberal Party might figure out just where their priorities must lie… their conservative base (and roots), not pandering to namby-pamby Leftists who, despite their claims that they would switch from the ALP “if only Malcolm was leader”, never had any intention of actually voting for the LNP regardless of who lead it…

  117. Grigory M

    he’d of (sic) been allowed a visa.

    Don’t leave home without it. 😉

  118. Infidel Tiger

    Regardless of the Court’s decision, it is unanimous that Peter Dutton must be aborted.

  119. Makka

    “It was illegally revoked States-side by Australian immigration due to Terri Butler’s lies.”

    It was revoked by legal process. I don’t give a flying fig for the emotion, results are all that matters. He could have mounted a legal challenge to that rejection from the US and possibly won enabling him to speak here. Not now. Smart move, thanks.

  120. rickw

    But officials barred him from helping the victims as they were being gunned down.

    Pull it out and tell them to get the fuck out of the way?

  121. Gab

    I don’t give a flying fig for the emotion,

    You sound very emotional. Try to calm down.

  122. Rudiau

    But officials barred him from helping the victims as they were being gunned down.

    Pull it out and tell them to get the fuck out of the way?

    Yes, that was my first reaction.

  123. Gab

    There was no basis at all for revoking his visa. What they did was based on a lie and I should think that is illegal.

  124. Lysander

    I classify myself as a conservative and, until the Liberal Party returns to it’s conservative roots (“They don’t matter…”), then why should I vote for an erstatz version of the ALP and watch faux-conservatives trash the country when I can vote for the real thing and teach the fuckers a lesson they will never forget?

    Totally agree Slayer. You don’t have a choice in 2016. Both parties back same policies; only difference is a warbling waffler or a greasy girdle-man. So I’d personally slash and burn the Libs so they learn. And burn.

  125. Baldrick

    Oregon shooter Chris Harper-Mercer’s online profile at Spiritual Passions was changed 5 times today, according to the online Archive.org. , for user ironcross45.

  126. rickw

    What a surprise. Let’s now see how he goes on his next visa application having been found prior to enter the country illegally. Bravo, brilliant winning strategy.

    What puzzles me is how he was able to board the fligh? The process is electronic, if they swipe your passport and you don’t have a valid visa, then they don’t board you. The Airlines are very hot on following this process, because they become responsible for your carriage back to your port of embarkation, plus they get fined for delivering a passenger that didn’t have a valid visa, the all up costs can be around $10k.

  127. P

    I don’t just feel sad, I feel ashamed.

  128. Makka

    “You sound very emotional. Try to calm down.”

    Lol, says the most manic poster on this blog.

  129. Ragu

    Speaking now constitutes a threat to society.

  130. But officials barred him from helping the victims as they were being gunned down.

    A gunman is opening fire upon innocents with all he’s got, an armed citizen wants to go & pot him (or at least lay down suppressing fire) and “officials” prevent him?

    We’re breaking new ground here. That’s quite an effort/attitude when live rounds are flying around.
    To say such a situation is terrifying does not begin to explain what it is like to be there.

  131. Memoryvault

    Blogstrop
    #1815473, posted on October 2, 2015 at 4:38 pm

    Are libertarians really nihilistic anarchists?

    No. But then, there are no libertarians here on the Cat, so I can’t give you an example.

  132. .

    No. But then, there are no libertarians here on the Cat, so I can’t give you an example.

    Okay Sukrit, there are only 25 other libertarians in Australia.

  133. Gab

    says the most manic poster on this blog.

    Aww, you poor thing. You’re all angry now and spitting insults.

  134. Empire

    Pull it out and tell them to get the fuck out of the way?

    Just like the men’s room, only more important than taking a slash.

  135. john constantine

    http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/news/opinion/eliza-sum-the-footy-shows-ban-on-sexist-jokes-is-not-enough/story-fnjuhr1j-1227552259501

    Pity the gagged entertainers can’t do a Top Gear and get a deal to do ‘the Footy Shower’ on pay television.

    [the sexist attacks on backstabbing bronwyn didn’t matter, because it was their own side getting even.]

    I wondered how long it would take after bolt enraged the swampfilth by congratulating Sam Newman.

    Not long at all.

  136. Hydra

    Next time a big-shot Greenie wants to come to Australia can we create a change.org petition please like the lefties and say that they are harming our standard of living with their ideas and should not be able to come to Australia?

  137. Myrddin Seren

    I opened up Youtube and this was the first item on the opening window:

    Transgender Teen Surprised With First Dose of Hormones After Waiting 2.5 Years!

    Why are people so desperately putting their own and their kid’s lives on public display, no matter how private and personal the matter should be ?

    These people are crazy and eventually it will come back to bite them ( the narcissism I mean – their family gender issues are a whole other pot of rancid shark ).

  138. P

    Aww, you poor thing. You’re all angry now and spitting insults.

    Except, he don’t do insults.

  139. Slayer of Memes

    Love to chat further, but I’m off to a family birthday party where several of those “I’d vote LNP if only Malcolm Turnbull was leader- oh he is? Dosn’t matter, still won’t vote for those facist right-wing nutjobs..” are sure to be in attendance.

    Interestingly they all also claim to be libertarians.

    (yet all vote almost exclusively ALP…)

  140. Makka

    You’re all angry now and spitting insults.

    An insult? A simple observation brings out the hurty victim so easily.

  141. john constantine

    Know a bloke that neighbored a public authorities ground.

    They started a fire on a total fire ban day just over his fence, he showed up with a private fire unit and the public authority officials formed a human barrier to prevent him putting the fire out, as he wasn’t accredited for entry.

    The ‘b-ark’ could shuttle these fuckers into the heart of the sun on an endless basis.

  142. Infidel Tiger

    Are libertarians really nihilistic anarchists?

    That’s my new position, but I’m also partially anarcho-capitalist minarchist.

    It’s my firm belief that this dog box can not be renovated. We must destroy it and rebuild.

  143. calli

    Yet the basis on which his visa was revoked did not have “clean hands”.

    It was a lie.

  144. .

    IT – when god gives you lemons, you find a new god!

  145. blogstrop

    I’ve never been happy with everything any government did, and I started voting in the Whitlam era. It’s unrealistic to expect political parties to do exactly what you want them too. It will always be a balance of probabilities that you make your choice on, followed by some good and some bad achievements. I was unimpressed by what the Howard mob actually did when in government for the first half of their eleven years, after wanting them to win and boot Keating over the sideline. Voted for minor parties like Family First for a while but placed Libs before Labor & Greens every time.

    It might make you feel macho to carry on about it, but it’s just a lot of noise and fury …

  146. Gab

    It was a lie.

    That doesn’t appear to matter to some people.

  147. Grigory M

    when god gives you lemons

    You open a cold bottle of Corona. 🙂

  148. thefrollickingmole

    john constantine

    Eliza Sum the lady with a face like a tomcats bum?

    Boy reading that article and thought to myself “she must be fun to take to parties”.

    What is it with people finding it necessary to to change things they have no interest in and wont patronize even if it does “conform”.

    If I was to write a piece criticizing lesbian furnishing choices (all those carpets) no one would print it because it would be something I know nothing about and have no interest in.
    Yet some vinegar tits wants to tackle the big topics of a football show and its worth running?

  149. blogstrop

    IT, you’re mainly a blowhard, but every now and again you make sense.

  150. Grigory M

    It was a lie.

    I haven’t seen the visa revocation documentation. What did it say?

  151. That’s my new position, but I’m also partially anarcho-capitalist minarchist.

    It’s my firm belief that this dog box can not be renovated. We must destroy it and rebuild.

    Cudos to you sir, as i have noted previously i think Oz is a skidmark on vitreous porcelain and have left this place for a better country.

  152. .

    Slayer of Memes
    #1815514, posted on October 2, 2015 at 5:07 pm
    Love to chat further, but I’m off to a family birthday party where several of those “I’d vote LNP if only Malcolm Turnbull was leader- oh he is? Dosn’t matter, still won’t vote for those facist right-wing nutjobs..” are sure to be in attendance.

    Interestingly they all also claim to be libertarians.

    (yet all vote almost exclusively ALP…)

    They’re insane. Actually all people in the ALP claim to be libertarian sober and admit to being totalitarian commies when absolutely shitfaced.

    On the other hand, I demand mass sacking and privatisation of all things permissible under the constitution, drunk and sober.

    Pass on my regards and give those insane relatives yours some clonazepam and thorazine.

    Or just get them drunk and record their true proclivities.

  153. A Lurker

    Breaking news – Here on Australian soil too.

    There were unconfirmed reports the shooting involved prisoners in a prison transfer, however police sources said this was not true.
    Another caller said his father saw the shooting.
    “He said that he ran outside and saw the guy dressed in black and blood everywhere,” the man said.
    Roads in Parramatta were blocked after the shooting and helicopters were overhead.

    So much for Australia’s ‘acclaimed’ strict gun laws.

  154. Infidel Tiger

    IT, you’re mainly a blowhard, but every now and again you make sense.

    Fact check status: True.

  155. calli

    when god gives you lemons

    You say “Come in Spinner!” and get out the cookbooks.

    Slow roasting is my preference.

  156. thefrollickingmole

    Oh and I owe an apology of sorts about Chickie and the Eagles yesterday.

    My father spoke to Chicks father and apparently the poor bugger has a pretty massive persecution complex going on and isnt well.

  157. Stimpson J. Cat

    Lol, says the most manic poster on this blog.

    Thank you for that Makka. 🙂
    I’ve been trying to be good.

  158. Pass on my regards and give those insane relatives yours some clonazepam and thorazine.

    Or just get them drunk and record their true proclivities.

    Better still, put magic mushies in the skinny soy latte decaf and record the show for prosterity.

  159. calli

    What risk to the community did he pose? What evidence supported this risk?

  160. Memoryvault

    Okay Sukrit, there are only 25 other libertarians in Australia.

    That many?
    You reckon?
    Nah – I don’t buy it.

  161. srr


    If the humiliation of the Obama administration continues at this rate, by this time next week you should expect to see Secretary of State John Kerry on all fours at the United Nations, getting paddled by the Russian foreign minister and shouting, “Thank you, comrade! May I have another?”

    https://stream.org/putin-cutting-obama-size/

  162. JMH

    Wait for it! Wait for it. Apparently, little Greggie Hunt is still ‘moving forward’ on appointing a “sensible” Wind Industry Commissioner to keep the con men, fraudsters and the corrupt in line, not to mention those poor people severely health debilitated and further, not to mention all those thousands of avifauna species sacrificed annually in the name of Green. Said appointment to be revealed shortly.

    Simon Chapman is just such a person worthy of appointment, eh Greg?.

    Counting down now 5 4 3 2…..

    Story in a putrid leftard daily (out of Victoria) under the banner “Scientist who likened wind industry to Hitler floated as potential Turnbull government adviser” and no I won’t provide a link.

  163. .

    Terrible source, but I suspected as much, notwithstanding old mate was probably a “lone wolf” terrorist in reality, not just sexually frustrated.

    http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-state-had-recently-tightened-gun-laws-234249348.html

    According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, an average of 32,000 people died annually from firearms from 2009 to 2013, including about 20,000 suicides per year.

    So we are left with 12,000 deaths – suicides merely substitute methods when one is unavailable.

    9,000 are attributable to the war on drugs

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/12/the-single-best-anti-gun-death-policy-ending-the-drug-war/266505/

    So even if you fail to exclude tight gun control states where mass shootings tend to occur, the chances of being murdered in America with a gun are less than 1 in one hundred thousand every year. Our homicide rate is about 1.3%.

    I noticed there was a study quoted by the WaPo which was by Richard Florida. He only looked at total deaths, which is useless. The WaPo also assumed that NE USA had strict gun laws, echoing his “findings”.

    Wrong. NH and VT have very liberal gun laws.

  164. Rudiau

    Master Craftsman.
    NSFO.
    (Not Suitable For Oinkophobics.)

  165. Oh come on

    At the 2015 ALP National Conference, Bill Shorten committed to a 50% RET. The surprise dramatic increase in the target was the result of a GetUp style grassroots campaign launched by a new green style faction in the party. The popular support was so strong, Tits decided to adopt a clearly insane (on cost-benefit basis) policy position that will clearly bankrupt the nation. A bankrupt nation cannot control its borders nor defend its capital.

    Your apocalyptic hypothetical seems to assume the ALP is planning to implement a 50% RET, to be achieved within a year of election or somesuch. But the target is to be met in 2030. Sure, if we punish the Libs by sending them to the opposition benches next year, the new government will blow a whole lot of dough we don’t have in their probably catastrophic, very probably single, term in office laying the groundwork for meeting the target, amongst other stupid socialist brainfarts. This is the price we have to pay for Malcolm Turnbull’s overweening ego, I’m afraid.

    That being said, another Labor term in office won’t bankrupt us. The 50% RET will never be met because the ALP will be tossed out of office before they can get anywhere near it. The main point is that there was but one adult party in the Australian electorate, and it’s suddenly decided to act like a spoilt brat. A harsh, harsh lesson in political maturity is required. Delivering such discipline will hurt us as much as it hurts the Libs. But it needs to be hard enough so they won’t forget it.

    In the long term, it’s best for the country that the Libs learn to never govern like this again.

  166. Oh come on

    And it’s perfectly possible that IT is correct – the nation as we know it is beyond saving. In which case, continuing to vote in the LNP as it currently stands simply means the country will slowly smoulder to ashes rather than explode in flames under the ALP. The sooner the place is destroyed, the sooner we can get on with the business of rebuilding, so voting ALP to pour petrol on the flames makes sense.

  167. Re Bibi, for those who might not have seen it, Bill Whittle’s Leader of the Free World

  168. Beertruk

    On Tim Blair :

    PARRAMATTA ATTACKED

    Two men are reportedly dead after opening fire on NSW Police headquarters in Parramatta:
    The Daily Telegraph understands a number of shots were fired in the drive-by shooting, although there is no confirmation that it was a terrorist attack.

    Police had warning of the attack through intelligence sources, The Daily Telegraph can confirm.
    “Drive-by” might not be an accurate description. These are very early accounts. Some claim the shooters were on foot when they began firing. Nothing is known yet about their identities:

  169. Tom

    No-one tells me anything. The greatest Australasian stayers sire of the modern era died on September 25 at the grand old age of 29:

    ZABEEL STATISTICS

    * Bay horse by Sir Tristram from Lady Giselle

    * Winner of the 1990 Australian Guineas when trained by the late CS Hayes

    * 44 individual group 1 winners (one behind his own sire Sir Tristram)

    * He also produced Zabenz, a grade 1 winner over jumps in America

    * Most recent horse to win a group 1 Race: Preferment (2014 Victoria Derby)

    * Melbourne Cup winners: Might And Power, Jezabeel, Efficient

    * Cox Plate winners: Octagonal, Might And Power, Savabeel, Maldivian

  170. Oh come on

    our self-proclaimed libertarian PM

    Happy to stand corrected, but I don’t recall Malquisling ever describing himself as a libertarian.

    I know the libertarian brand is tarnished by some complete twats, but I don’t think he’s one of them.

  171. Delta A

    Saved by Malcolm Rudd!

    Dr Jamal Rifi on 10 news thanking PM Waffles for his kinder approach to Multiculti and condemning Abbott666 for alienating and radicalising young Moslems around Australia.

    So, no more worries about lone wolves obsessed with killing Aussie infidels. We’ve all kissed and made up.

    Simples.

  172. Woolfe

    The members who voted for Abbott should keep quiet now and if they win the election resign on mass from the ALP LNP and control the government from the cross benches.

  173. Anne

    Is there some kind of siege going on at a Paramatta Police Station?

  174. duncanm

    Ok – so I’m slow on the uptake, but I just read the ALA’s manifesto linked above.

    If they walk the talk, I know where I’ll be putting my ipper house vote. Wouldn’t be surprised if they provide a very big upset if they can spruik their message – with out without MSM/ABC sabotage, if they get publicity and provide reasonable candidates, they’ll pull a big vote.

  175. Tom

    A LONE gunman has shot dead a police IT expert outside police HQ in Charles Street, Parramatta, before being gunned down by police.

    The shooter, believed to be of Middle Easter appearance and dressed in black, launched an attack from the street, peppering the front of the building with bullets.

    He shot a police IT expert before being gunned by special constables who guard the entrance, The Daily Telegraph can confirm.

    The attack occurred in the street close to a childcare centre used by police force families.

    There is no confirmation it was a terrorist attack.

    Police had warning of the attack through intelligence sources, The Daily Telegraph can confirm.

  176. Gab

    Is there some kind of siege going on at a Paramatta Police Station?

    Seems to be over with two people dead, including the gunman who was “dressed in a black cape”.

  177. duncanm

    mmm Parramatta, drive-by, middle eastern crime squad.

    Who could we possibly suspect?

  178. calli

    Watching 7 news. Apparently Sydney has sweltered under Terrible Heat. In fact it was the Hottest Spring day in 17 years. And we have had the obligatory Bushfire Threat.

    It’s Scorching out there!

  179. Tel

    Is there some kind of siege going on at a Paramatta Police Station?

    From most of the stories, it seems that everyone involved is now dead or possibly in hospital. One would presume the police are laying siege to each other as a bit of practice before heading home.

    The other possibility, it wasn’t “a lone gunman” and the reports are full of BS, which is not entirely unusual.

  180. Tel

    The shooter, believed to be of Middle Easter appearance and dressed in black, launched an attack from the street, peppering the front of the building with bullets.

    Hmmm, I guess that “Middle Easter” would be the Saturday, so the shooter was wearing something casual but still a bit smartish.

  181. Oh come on

    The leftist media is preparing to deploy its favourite three word slogan; “lone wolf attack”.

    Make that second favourite – nothing beats “three word slogan”.

  182. Oh come on

    Turncoat’s relationship ‘reset’ with the Muslim community is already paying dividends! Abbott could never have pulled this off.

  183. Infidel Tiger

    A shooting in Australia? That’s unpossible.

    John Howard and President Obama promised me.

  184. JMH

    Good job, Malfunction. I would seem appeasing the ‘peaceful’ Moslem hordes is working a treat.

    Australia – meet Germany and embrace!

  185. Bruce of Newcastle

    There is no confirmation it was a terrorist attack.

    Friday eh. They do like to go to the mosque first, just to make sure the virgins are primed and ready.

  186. Tintarella di Luna

    Malcolm Turnball’s new rapprochement with the followers of the Muslim faith is going well an with just the first day!!!!

  187. Gab

    Was it a bloke in a chador?

  188. Tintarella di Luna

    Was it a bloke in a chador?

    Now that would really be the icing on the mulitcultural cake and all those fuddy-duddies who said that blokes could commit crime under cover of a chador will look like right tits won’t they?

  189. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Well, you saw how much damage was done in six years. Another term or two of Labor (and probably with Green help)? There won’t be anything left for your idealised fantasy party – that doesn’t exist now and is not likely to be summoned into existence by a nation in extremis – to do. Are libertarians really nihilistic anarchists?

    Agree, Bloggie. Once we get to Status Greece we will start to look politically like Greece – we’d have big shifts to the hard left and hard right and no room for running a contemporary economy on anything like civil society lines. Six more years of Labor would put us well down the track towards Greece – or Argentina. Take your pick and vote for it by preferencing Labor/Greens above LNP. Not my choice though.

    Rome in her heyday kept looking better and better the further in the barbarians advanced and the more things like large-scale production and easy market distribution went belly up. So much more technology and inter-dependence to lose these days.

  190. Myrddin Seren

    The latest reports seem to indicate a civilian employee of the Police Force was murdered, before the shooter was taken out.

    Many questions to be answered yet.

  191. Kaboom

    It was a lone wolf workplace incident that got out of hand.

    You lot are raaaaacist!

  192. Oh come on

    These fact-based assumptions are simply the ugly racism one would expect to find on a far right blog for people who don’t matter.

  193. Stephen of Glasshouse

    I like wolves; it was a lone swine attack

  194. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Well, you saw how much damage was done in six years. Another term or two of Labor (and probably with Green help)? There won’t be anything left for your idealised fantasy party – that doesn’t exist now and is not likely to be summoned into existence by a nation in extremis – to do. Are libertarians really nihilistic anarchists?

    Agree, Bloggie. Once we get to Status Greece we will start to look politically like Greece – we’d have big shifts to the hard left and hard right and no room for running a contemporary economy on anything like civil society lines. Six more years of Labor would put us well down the track towards Greece – or Argentina. Take your pick and vote for it by preferencing Labor/Greens above LNP. Not my choice though.

    Rome in her heyday kept looking better and better the further in the barbarians advanced and the more things like large-scale production and easy market distribution went belly up. So much more technology and inter-dependence to lose these days.

  195. JMH

    Oh come on
    #1815573, posted on October 2, 2015 at 6:32 pm

    But of course, OCO,

    Plus 100

  196. Baldrick

    There is no confirmation it was a terrorist attack.

    … but Leftards assured me this wouldn’t happen in Australia and the AbbottBeast was over-reacting.

  197. Bruce of Newcastle

    You lot are raaaaacist!

    Religionist. Religion of Peaceist.

  198. Stephen of Glasshouse

    Status Greece is code for inner city green scum hipsters having to drink supermarket brand coffee instead of barista brew.

  199. srr

    the ALA’s manifesto linked above.

    If they walk the talk, I know where I’ll be putting my ipper house vote. Wouldn’t be surprised if they provide a very big upset if they can spruik their message – with out without MSM/ABC sabotage, if they get publicity and provide reasonable candidates, they’ll pull a big vote.

    yep, only 18 months old, not yet fully launched, spreading by word of mouth, and then the Libs go all publicly, proudly UN puppets, on their voter base and the whole of Australia, and give them a massive lick along …

    … Before the coup, their Facebook page had 40,000 weekly post views.

    The week after the Turnbull coup this surged to over 800,000 views.

    You can read their manifesto in full here:

    http://australianlibertyalliance.org/downloads/ALA_MANIFESTO_OG14001R1.pdf

    It’s just a little comfort that despite the wall to wall, 24/7, Pro-UN Agenda propaganda, there are still so many people looking for ways to kick the propagandists arses.

  200. JMH

    Yep – Abbott666 over-reacted.

    How dare he care about the Australian population!

    No wonder he was put to the sword on behalf of the luvvies who and incapable of seeing one tree in the bloody forest!

  201. Tom

    … Before the coup, their Facebook page had 40,000 weekly post views.

    The week after the Turnbull coup this surged to over 800,000 views.

    Thanks for the links earlier, srr — straight to the remembery.

  202. Parramatta siege – was it a disgruntled former Liberal Party member AGAIN? Or one of those crazy American pro-lifers?

    This is why we need to take a strong stand against violence of this kind. These people represent the gravest possible danger to our society.

  203. I’m reading Peter Jones’ book Eureka just now, and I think we’re actually starting to look like ancient Greece.

  204. calli

    These people represent the gravest possible danger to our society.

    Whoya gunna call? Teri Butler of course. She knows how to shut these menaces down.

  205. Yes, I look forward to Teri Butler’s strongly worded protest about the Parramatta gunman.

    Also Rosie Batty.

  206. Baldrick

    #Parramatta @abcnews “understands that the incident is not terror related.”

    Like I’m gonna believe that.

  207. Memoryvault

    Six more years of Labor would put us well down the track towards Greece – or Argentina. Take your pick and vote for it by preferencing Labor/Greens above LNP. Not my choice though.

    Fortunately it won’t happen, Lizzie.
    Equally fortunately, we won’t get six years of LNP either.
    Australians are sick of politics and politicians. ALL of them.
    They promise stuff, they get elected, they do completely different stuff. It’s over.
    We are in for at least a decade, maybe twenty years, of single term governments.
    During that time, to all intent and purpose, Australia will be governed from the Senate.

  208. Oh come on

    Dutch MP, Islamic-critical Geert Wilders, will be visiting Australia for the launch.

    Good luck getting a visa. We don’t permit visitors who come here to spread their vicious messages of tolerance and liberty whilst slandering an entire ethnic group with the contents of texts they consider holy!

  209. Baldrick

    Geert Wilders getting a visa … surely you’re joking.

  210. Makka

    #Parramatta @abcnews “understands that the incident is not terror related.”

    Just give us his name, we’ll take it from there. Thanks.

  211. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Tom at 5:59 pm:

    “No-one tells me anything. The greatest Australasian stayers sire of the modern era died on September 25 at the grand old age of 29”

    The odd hayburner pays for itself several times over. Looking at Zabeel’s record there are 20 odd Group Ones between Octagonal and Might and Power alone. Not bad, eh?

  212. Just give us his name, we’ll take it from there. Thanks.

    Anyone want to take bets on his full name including either “Achmed” “Mohamed” or “Aziz”? (alternate spellings count).

  213. Baldrick

    Just give us his name, we’ll take it from there. Thanks.

    Take a guess Makka. The shooter was believed to be of Middle Eastern appearance and dressed in a black gown.

  214. JMH

    Makka – his name is bound to be “Colin” !!

  215. Bons

    A vote for Liberal is a vote for Labor in any case.
    What absolute bulltish. The coup Liberals are far more extreme. And being better connected are far more dangerous.

  216. rickw

    The shooter, believed to be of Middle Easter appearance and dressed in black, launched an attack from the street, peppering the front of the building with bullets.

    The Project stepped seamlessly from this shooting to the US shooting like they were entirely different issues.

    The report indicated that Police appeared to have been ready for something to happen. Pity they didn’t let the IT Guy that was killed know that.

  217. Oh come on

    They promise stuff, they get elected, they do completely different stuff. It’s over.
    We are in for at least a decade, maybe twenty years, of single term governments.

    This doesn’t sound like an outrageous prediction.

    It does strike me that there’s a possibility that the knifing of Abbott may short-circuit this process IF the Libs are absolutely walloped – as in near death experience – at the next election. Maybe the party even disintegrates. There is a chance that the remnants of what’s left over might learn the appropriate lessons from the experience, regroup and bring an end to the prevailing political climate of deep voter cynicism.

    Yeah, I know. Somewhere between Buckley’s and zero in terms of likelihood, you’ll say. But not impossible, I say.

  218. Rousie

    Just give us his name, we’ll take it from there. Thanks.

    The name doesn’t matter.
    Within 24 hours he’ll be a Lone Wolf
    Within 48 hours peaceful Australian Muslims will be fearing a backlash
    Before the end of the week, politicians will be clamouring to tell us Islam is the religion of peace and we should visit a Mosque
    And inside of a month the gunman’s motives will be contextualised thus framing him more or less as a victim

  219. jumpnmcar

    Muslim community leader Dr Jamal Rifi said the Government is too often cancelling the passports of innocent people and that is contributing to feelings of isolation in the Muslim community.

    “Anyone who may be a suspect of joining the foreign fighters, they need to be stopped at the airport,” Dr Rifi said.

    The problem is they are probably getting also too many innocent people who I know have nothing to do with IS ideology.”

    Same ideology you lying sack of shit.

  220. Tintarella di Luna

    “#Parramatta @abcnews “understands that the incident is not terror related.”

    Of course it’s not, it’s just a regular Friday afternoon shoot-out in beautiful downtown Parramatta

  221. Makka

    Rousie,

    We’ve seen all that before.

    They can do what they want but they can’t force me what to believe. That’s up to me.

  222. Bons

    I think Tim Wilson is afraid of losing his job more than anything else. Turnbull would LOVE to sack Wilson to the applause of the Left.
    Why would his sacking be a loss? He is part of the problem. Just another non-accountable IPA elitist.

  223. srr

    Geert Wilders cleared to visit Australia for party launch
    THE AUSTRALIAN
    AUGUST 3, 2015

    Yeah, but that was then.
    How much of what Dutton says he says here, is still the case … if it ever was …

    The federal government will not prevent Dutch right-wing politician Geert Wilders from visiting Australia to launch a new anti-Islamic political party.

    The Australian Electoral Commission on Wednesday approved the registration of the Australian Liberty Alliance, which will launch in Perth on October 20 with Wilders as keynote speaker.

    In its manifesto, the party says it stands for “individual liberty, small government, Western values built on Judeo-Christian and humanistic foundations, social fairness and an integrated multi-ethnic society”.

    Islam, it says, “uses the religious element as a means to project itself on to non-Islamic societies”, and is unparalleled in having both the doctrinal aspiration and the “economic and demographic muscle to impose itself globally”.

    Immigration Minister Peter Dutton yesterday said every person wishing to visit Australia was treated equally when applying for a visa. “There are character checks and a visa is issued according to the law, not emotion,” Mr Dutton said. “We are a tolerant people and we should never surrender that tolerance.

    “All Australians enjoy freedom of speech and political affiliation, but it comes with obvious responsibilities.”

    His opposition counterpart, Richard Marles, agreed that banning visitors such as Wilders was not appropriate. “The most effective way of dealing with these views is by every elected representative in Australia making it clear that bigotry has no place in our public debate,” Mr Marles said.

    Debbie Robinson, Perth-based national president of the Q Society, which founded ALA, said Australia had gone “so far down the path of political correctness” that people actively avoided discussing negative aspects of Islam. “There is an inherent fear of Islam and of discussing it,” Ms Robinson said. She said it was a “moral inversion” to accuse anti-Islamic groups of contribut­ing to the radicalisation of Muslim extremists.

    “Sometimes people see our group as being the catalyst for the problem, when in fact certain groups come about because there’s a level of concern about something,” she said. “Instead of being outraged about violence, people speaking out about the ideology behind the violence are blamed.”

    Islamic Council of Victoria spokesman Kuranda Seyit said political parties would come and go all the time in a free country like Australia, and the rise of ALA was “just a phase”.

    “I would imagine they won’t garner much support,” he said. “Australia is a very different political landscape from Europe, and I don’t think Australians have the tolerance for such radical fringe parties.”

  224. Tintarella di Luna

    Makka – his name is bound to be “Colin” !!

    I think his name is Eric

  225. Makka

    ““The problem is they are probably getting also too many innocent people who I know have nothing to do with IS ideology.”

    With all his intimate links inside the moslem community, Rifi has yet to find one single moslem who supports ISIS . A single one. They don’t exist here according to Rifi. We should believe this liar, why?

  226. blogstrop

    Nothing to do with ISIS ideology would mean nothing to do with Islam at all – or am I missing something here?

  227. calli

    Makka – his name is bound to be “Colin” !!

    I think his name is Eric

    If he’s a Cecil, bypass “lone wolf”, go directly to “victim”.

    All levity aside, some poor bugger went to work today and hasn’t come home. Deepest condolences to his grieving family.

  228. Rousie

    Agree Makka.
    Imagine being related to the victim and then having to read what’s coming.
    Good call on Rifi’s hypocrisy

  229. Leo G

    Seems to be over with two people dead, including the gunman who was “dressed in a black cape”

    Police HQ Parramatta? A black cape?
    With or without wig?

  230. Memoryvault

    Yeah, I know. Somewhere between Buckley’s
    and zero in terms of likelihood, you’ll say.

    On the contrary, OCO, I agree with your scenario completely. I just believe it will take not one, but several electoral cycles of defeat for BOTH parties, for the message to finally sink in, as to what the term “representative” means. In the meantime we will have a string of hung parliaments and minority governments, unable to inflict too much damage on the country. That’s why the Senate will become so important.

  231. Bruce of Newcastle

    I think his name is Eric

    On a viking eh?

  232. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    All levity aside, some poor bugger went to work today and hasn’t come home. Deepest condolences to his grieving family.

    Well said, Calli. For all the spin and hype about lone wolves there is still the human cost, that someone who went off to work in the morning, won’t be going home.

  233. Nic

    A black cape? Muslim superman?

  234. Tom

    “There are character checks and a visa is issued according to the law, not emotion,” Mr Dutton said. “We are a tolerant people and we should never surrender that tolerance.

    “All Australians enjoy freedom of speech and political affiliation, but it comes with obvious responsibilities.”

    You lying sack of shit.

    Get out of my sight and take your thirty pieces of silver with you.

    A campaign needs to be run in Dickson (outer Brisbane) in 2016 to have this unprincipled dog run out of parliament.

  235. calli

    You lying sack of shit.

    Seems to be a prerequisite for the job. His tongue must be covered in boils. Hope they migrate to his nether regions.

  236. calli

    Refresh my memory please Cats. Wasn’t it Dutton’s throw away line that got all the press dogs a yammerin’ at Abbott666?

  237. Leo G

    A black cape? Muslim superman?

    A black robe in the Paramatta Justice Precinct usually implies a Family Court barrister or judge.

  238. candy

    “We are a tolerant people and we should never surrender that tolerance.

    I don’t see how banning the anti abortionist speaker fits with that statement at all.

    My impression is that M. Turnbull was involved in this as he would not want anti abortion/Catholic issues around him, as he is the progressive leader, and progressives are Emily’s List and gets a lot of votes for him.

    He had to ban it, for that reason.

  239. Bruce of Newcastle

    All levity aside, some poor bugger went to work today and hasn’t come home. Deepest condolences to his grieving family.

    +1

    Every day we should be prepared to meet our maker. Be it a car whilst crossing the road, be it a terrorist or a Oregonian nutter, be it a failure of the wall of our aorta. “The day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night” for all of us.

    I’m sad for the poor person whose only mistake was to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I’ll pray for the person’s family later this evening.

    As for the shooter- he has a date with his God too. He’ll be slightly confused that He’s not the God he was led to expect to see.

  240. C.L.

    To be fair to Kevin Rudd, he would never have jailed a Christian apologist.
    It took ‘Catholic’ convert Malcolm Turnbull to do that.

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