Open Forum: November 7, 2015

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  1. Zippy The Younger

    I am amazed that you find it morally acceptable to associate with such people.

    Monty is a bleeding heart do-gooder that is happy to be lead by the nose by the fascist leftist core. He is an expert at parroting socialist talking points, yet makes no effort to understand the opposite view.

    Being a lefty is easy, never look at the two sides of anything, always pick the underdog and side with them.

    They come unstuck when the underdog is clearly an overt fascist as opposed to a fascist with noble talk like Che Guevara.

  2. Top Ender

    ” BRITAIN’S soft touch justice system descended further into farce after three suspected rioters walked free from court despite REFUSING to tell police their names.

    The other aspect of the story which seems to have been missed, is that their DNA and fingerprints were indeed taken. For minor crimes, they would get police bail anyway. Indeed, in the old days they may have just given names and may not have shown up.

    I expect they will get a bit more of a serve when they are eventually dragged to court, with real identities read out.

    And if they don’t front, then there are two unbreakable records with which to i/d them against in later crimes. They can then be charged for not turning up to answer their older naughtiness.

    But then again, some smacks with the phone book in the first place might have meant they would not be such smart-arses.

  3. Baldrick

    A RAAF aircraft flies low over Brisbane as part of a training exercise. The ABC finds the one person who responds this way.

    Leftards are not only evil but very precious. God knows what she must make of airports.

  4. Tom

    George Newhouse and Ian Rintoul order a riot on Christmas Island in solidarity with the Open Borders Smash The State Liberation Front:

    Detainees at Christmas Island detention centre are reportedly rioting over the death of an Iranian asylum seeker.

    The Refugee Action Coalition claims fences and walls have been knocked down and fires have been started in some sections of the detention centre, with the canteen burnt down completely.

    It follows the death of Iranian Kurdish asylum seeker Fazel Chegeni, whose body was found yesterday after he escaped the centre on Friday.

    The refugee group’s claims could not be immediately verified. Comment is being sought from the immigration department.

    Meanwhile, a New Zealand detainee has told TVNZ guards have abandoned the centre. ‘They’ve gone, they’ve freaked out and left,’ he said, according to audio provided to ABC radio.

  5. I am amazed that you find it morally acceptable to associate with such people.

    I’m not. What would amaze me is Muttley criticising the Left.

  6. Ros

    “Fourth, Fraser signed a statutory declaration confirming he was tipped off by Kerr about his plan to dismiss Whitlam.

    Then what The Australian reported in 2010, David Smith. What is this all about. It looks like they are just retelling a story already rold but declaring it tl be the truth the whole trith and nothing but the truth because a known liar Fraser signed a stat dec.

    “IN the second extract from Malcolm Fraser’s political memoirs (The Weekend Australian, February 20-21, 2010), Fraser claims that he received a phone call from the governor-general, John Kerr, on the morning of November 11, 1975. That is true. Fraser goes on to describe what the governor-general said to him. Fraser’s account is not true.

    On that morning I was with the governor-general in his study and we were going over the documents that might be needed later in the day when he received a phone call……

    Fraser claims that, in the early morning phone call from the governor-general, as well as confirming that the opposition stood firm, he was asked to agree to observe the standard caretaker conventions, plus the two quoted above that were not included in the letter that he was later asked to sign, thus giving him early warning of what the governor-general would do later that day. Kerr denied this claim, and what I saw and heard that morning supports that denial…..

    As I told the Sydney Institute in November 2005, I had the clear impression that Fraser was hearing these conditions for the first time.

    Kerr’s memoirs were written just two years after the dismissal, and he had the benefit of meticulous contemporary records kept at Government House and now in the Australian Archives.

    Fraser’s contemporary records make no mention of the note that he now claims to have made of the phone call he received from the governor-general, and the note on which he now relies in his memoirs is a handwritten note scribbled on the back of a scrap of paper, and obviously signed and dated later with a different pen.

    Finally, there are the reports published by two of Australia’s leading political journalists: in 1976 by Alan Reid that Fraser had told him on November 11, 1975, that he had no knowledge of the governor-general’s intentions when he went out to Government House earlier that day; and a report in 1995 by Paul Kelly that Fraser had told him that he had not kept the piece of paper on which he had recorded his phone conversation with the governor-general.

    The miraculous appearance of the piece of paper in Fraser’s memoirs in 2010 smacks of what lawyers would call “recent invention”.”

  7. The silence Kingston speaks of was her own. She’s always been free to speak out, but chose not to – along with so many of her gutless fellow leftists.

    Like I said – Islamophobia is suffered by the Left.

  8. Zippy The Younger

    A classic holier than tough leftoid

    No, Paul Ehrlich, Humans Aren’t Bags of Garbage

    In a new mini-documentary, the New York Times kindly confirms what we already know about Paul Ehrlich. His predictions about overpopulation have been astoundingly wrong, and his views about humanity are no less perverse.

    Author of the famous panic manifesto, Population Bomb, Ehrlich made a name for himself by predicting mass starvation and catastrophe due to over-population. If left to our own devices, Ehrlich argued, we unruly beasts will feast and gorge and reproduce ourselves into an oblivion. His solution? Targeted starvation, abortion, and sterilization of the “selfish” and unenlightened. If the Earth is to endure, we must pay the price for humanity’s ultimate transgression: existence.

    The documentary summarizes these views quite well, and includes a series of striking interviews with former disciples who have since rejected his theories. As for Ehrlich, he remains steadfast in his doubts about human value and possibility. “My language would be even more apocalyptic today,” he says.

    Watch it here.

    Even in countries like India, where Ehrlich’s predictions were the gloomiest, population growth is curbing and economic and ecological transformation has allowed it to become an exporter of goods.

    And yet, when challenged on why his predictions never came to pass, Ehrlich gives an answer characteristic of central planners and prognosticators of doom everywhere. Such predictions, he argues, mean something “very, very different” from what they do to we pea-brained plebs. The apocalypse is still nigh, and humans are still to blame.

    One can’t help but be shocked by such blind denial, but even more troubling is the fundamental view that drives it — a distorted view of humanity that’s far more prevalent than Ehrlich’s specific population predictions, whether among the master planners of foreign aid or the foot soldiers of “family planning.”

    For Ehrlich and many others, humans simply take, take, take; there’s no make, make, make. And thus, the struggle for provision, prosperity, and human flourishing is quickly reduced to a mere battle over consumption. We are leeches, drainers, and destroyers, a virus on the Earth that must be curbed and contained, if not wiped out completely (a “cancer,” as Ehrlich sometimes prefers).

    Take, for instance, one of his lines in the video above: “The idea that every woman should have as many babies as she wants is, to me, exactly the same kind of idea as everybody ought to be permitted to throw as much of their garbage into their neighbor’s backyard as they want.”

    Humans = bags of backyard garbage. NBD.

    Fortunately for us (and for Ehrlich), humans aren’t globs of trash and the “global community” isn’t some morbid zero-sum realm wherein every new baby represents a dead mushroom on a distant mountaintop.

  9. Leigh Lowe

    Fellas, the phone book was ever present during police interviews in days of yore, within easy reach in the event the crooks were a bit reticent and needed persuasion to answer the constable’s questions properly.

    A mate of mine who was a copper complained bitterly that his clean-up rate declined when he was posted from Melbourne to a country town, with it’s much thinner phone books.
    He used to yearn for his favourites … “You haven’t got a copy of the Melbourne 1998 A to K, have you?”

  10. Baldrick

    Detainees at Christmas Island detention centre are reportedly rioting over the death of an Iranian asylum seeker.

    Cue TheirABC AbbottBeast angle in 3, 2, 1 …

  11. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    rickw, you should have stood on the roof, like everyone else was doing…

    I think Winston’s nailed it, rickw. Surely there was a hole or two in that roof? It must have been, or turned into, an above-ground pit toilet from your description of the interior.

    Worst one I have ever seen was in Indonesia. You had to paddle through two-inches of runny muck to even enter. I did not try. Easy decision to challenge my bladder for another two hours instead.

  12. johanna

    BoltA has lost the plot.

    He’s running NBC News and Politico’s smears about Carson as though they have some credibility. Both of these outlets are simply Democrat tongue bathers extraordinaire. The guy who wrote the Politico smears is a lifelong leftist who was forced to water down his original story because some of the lies were so egregious that even Politico couldn’t continue to run with them. As for NBC, just watch their rubbish (it’s on 7Two every weekday at 10.00 am) and draw your own conclusions. They are the Fauxfacts of the US.

    I’m not saying that Carson, and all of the other candidates, should not be scrutinised. But, it’ll be a cold day in Hell when either of these outlets put the blowtorch to Hillary like they have to Carson.

  13. Leigh Lowe

    Re Leak’s cartoon on Bill and Cesar.
    Bill was on the telly the other night distancing himself from Cesar.
    He tried a version of the New Testament line “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s”.
    Of course, he mangled it beyond recognition.
    Not good for a Xavier old boy.

  14. Uh oh. Consensus on the Sunrise panel is that Saturday Night Live is no longer funny. Because Trump.

    Calli, are you sure she was only referring to the Trump piece? I took it as referring to the show in general. She pointed out what I pointed out 20 years ago, that SNL just ain’t funny, despite the litany of comedians to come to fame from it. I thought she made that point too.

  15. Rabz

    Thanks for the Klopp gif, Banger. He’s still got some magic to work following that unfortunate hiccup against Palace.

  16. incoherent rambler

    Worst one I have ever seen was in Australia, Cape York. 30 cm deep water throughout with floating turds and snakes.

  17. Leigh Lowe

    The miraculous appearance of the piece of paper in Fraser’s memoirs in 2010 smacks of what lawyers would call “recent invention”.”

    I was having a bit of a giggle the other day at the front page of the Oz which published a piece by Troy Bramston and Paul Kelly promoting the book on the subject written by … Troy Bramston and Paul Kelly, where they refer to themselves in the third person – “the authors” – as if to give the book a bit more credibility.

  18. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Went to the 9/11 Memorial the other day.

    Went down there when it was still all photographs on the fence. Heartbreaking.
    Will try to visit the proper memorial when we are in New York for a few days next August before heading off on QM2 for the UK. I am very unimpressed with the idea of a mosque nearby; outrageous.

  19. Viva

    Europe’s glory days at an end, warns Juncker

    That ain’t the half of it. The UK Telegraph reports a leaked document outlining an EU offer to African nations along the following lines: You take back the unskilled masses deported from Europe and we will fast track entry for skilled middle class Africans to come in their place. In addition more aid money will be provided and Europe will attempt to resolve local wars and disputes through “mediation and inclusive dialogue.”

    The last time I heard of such idiocy was when US secretary of state Madeline Albright lectured the Bosnians about them joys of multiculturalism and tolerance while around the same time a British MP was complaining that the Congolese dictator was failing to adhere to accountability and transparency principles in his dealings.

    These are the people running our world.

  20. Struth

    Quite a pleasant morning here in motelier town

  21. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Snoopy, scrolling back, I see the above-ground pit loo was your experience, not rickw’s. Apols all.

  22. Rabz

    What sort of clueless dunderhead would willingly read a book written by Paul Kelly and Troy Bramston?

  23. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The last time I heard of such idiocy was when …

    … a man called Chamberlain walked the tarmac waving a bit of paper triumphantly.

  24. Leigh Lowe

    Went to the 9/11 Memorial the other day.

    It is well worth it, including the museum.
    I thought it might be a bit macabre, but not at all.
    It does a great job of reminding us that the losses were individual and personal, not just an aggregate lump of humanity.
    One inscription around the pools was particularly striking and sad … “Monica Smith and her unborn child.”
    (Although unborn children are not afforded much consideration elsewhere in the U.S.)

  25. Leigh Lowe

    What sort of clueless dunderhead would willingly read a book written by Paul Kelly and Troy Bramston?

    Not guilty, yer ‘onner.

  26. Rabz

    LL – it’s a head scratcher.

    “I’ve just spent the last twenty hours reading a book written by Paul Kelly and Troy Bramston – it was unputdownable”.

    Said no one, evah.

  27. I remember when you lot closed ranks around Abbott too. Now he couldn’t bum a cigarette off any of you, he’s that reviled. People like CL have lifted their nose and detected the problem with the Carson campaign, pretty soon you recalcitrants will follow suit.

  28. Leigh Lowe

    Went to the 9/11 Memorial the other day.

    There is a great sign in the museum which a woman from New Jersey had in her yard, in the form of a “count-up” clock.
    It reads …
    “It is 9 years and 232 days since 9-11-2001. Where is Osama Bin Laden.”
    Underneath it is taped a handwritten note simply saying “Dead!”

  29. Rabz

    To be honest, I couldn’t give a rodent’s about Carson – he if crashes and burns, big deal.

    There’s be far more fun to be had watching the head explosions induced by Trump.

  30. srr

    Hey jetsetters …

    ‘New chapter for ISIS’: Security chief warns jihadis will begin targeting passenger planes

    ISLAMIC State (ISIS) could switch tactics to begin bombing commercial airliners after its apparent success in bringing down a Russian plane, a top US security chief warned today.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/617945/Islamic-State-ISIS-Russian-plane-bombing-passenger-jet-terrorism

  31. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Baldrick at 8:37 am:

    A RAAF aircraft flies low over Brisbane as part of a training exercise. The ABC finds the one person who responds this way.

    Leftards are not only evil but very precious. God knows what she must make of airports.”

    … or life in the suburbs of Toowoomba and Ipswich where the daily menace and intimidation of a clutch of Black Hawks (or whatever they use now) in formation swooping low over the tiled roofs has the local children cowering enthusiastically in the backyards to marvel at such a beautiful sight. She’d be scared shipless by those great big graceful transporters from Amberley as they crawl slowly across the sky, practising staying up there rather than “plummeting into the river.”

    Way too funny:

    “Kirsty Hetherington watched from West End as the huge plane appeared to plummet towards the Brisbane River.

    “In a nose-dive within 15 meters of the roof of the Brisbane Convention Centre, below the level of the neighbouring multi-storey offices,” she said.”

    A Globemaster lumbering along, nose down, 15 metres (50 feet) above the Convention Centre. Kristy is about 12 years old I think.

    As Tom says at 4:17 am:

    “Twenty-five years of continuous wealth creation without a recession, 40 years without a war and half a century of Marxist education produces brain-dead amoeba like this:”

  32. calli

    Uh oh. Consensus on the Sunrise panel is that Saturday Night Live is no longer funny. Because Trump.

    Calli, are you sure she was only referring to the Trump piece? I took it as referring to the show in general. She pointed out what I pointed out 20 years ago, that SNL just ain’t funny, despite the litany of comedians to come to fame from it. I thought she made that point too.

    A show which we all know to be chronically unfunny suddenly becomes so. I wonder why? It rated it socks off, so they said.

    Armytage is the least to the left of the bunch, from what I observe, so she has the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps it was just coincidence *polishes tin foil hat just in case*.

  33. Leigh Lowe

    LL – it’s a head scratcher.
    “I’ve just spent the last twenty hours reading a book written by Paul Kelly and Troy Bramston – it was unputdownable”.
    Said no one, evah.

    More likely scenario.
    Late night TV advert ..
    Opening shot (in black and white) is an irritated man tossing and turning in bed and punching his pillow into shape.
    Next shot is a smiling testimonial (in full colour) from the same guy … “It’s a miracle! My insomnia is completely cured, ever since I went on the Bramston-Kelly programme! Five minutes and I am sleeping like a baby! You should try it!”

  34. Baldrick

    Obambi, ‘Plant food will kill Gaia. Let’s talk about taxing air” … and you think Carson is nuts!

  35. Leigh Lowe

    Riccardo Bosi
    #1850128, posted on November 9, 2015 at 9:05 am
    Test

    You-a pass-a da test, Riccardo.

  36. Des Deskperson

    ‘Medical warrior’ Anne Carey is WA’s AOTY nominee

    http://www.australianoftheyear.org.au/honour-roll/?view=fullView&recipientID=1379

    She joins

    QLD: Catherine McGregor AM, ‘diversity champion’
    ACT: David Morrison AO ‘equality advocate’
    VIC: Julian McMahon ‘Barrister and Human Rights Advocate’
    TAS: Jane Hutchinson, ’conservationist’
    NT: Will MacGregor, ‘youth worker’

    H/T to Baldrick for the list so far.

    If the AOTY is really all about personal endeavour and sacrifice rather than celeb-cult, then Carey would have to be a front runner, judging by her citation. Also, there hasn’t been a WA AOTY since 2005

    NSW and SA have until 15 November to nominate their finalists.

  37. Leigh Lowe

    What was the Trump thing on SNL?
    A few weeks ago Hillary did a sketch on SNL where she delivered a couple of wooden lines about Trump in a sketch, during which the SNL “comedian” in the sketch broke into fits of forced laughter at Hill’s comedic brilliance.
    It was obviously a contrived attempt to make the Pantsuit Dowager Queen look more human.
    It was on high rotation on news services every 30 minutes for about 48 hours, but the reaction from people watching in cafes and bars was simply eye-rolling disgust at the obvious pump-up of Hillary by the MSM.

  38. Old School Conservative

    A RAAF aircraft flies low over Brisbane as part of a training exercise

    Last Wednesday a large, stubby, fat, grey twin props plane flew over Sydney’s northern beaches. Only a few hundred meters up, it swooped and turned with amazing agility as it followed the contours of the coastline. An amazing sight. Surfers looked up between sets, mums pushing prams briefly stopped talking on their mobiles, and the roar of the engines was mesmerising.
    I doubt anyone I saw at the time thought “I need a safe place!”

  39. srr

    Britain names Russia as major national security threat on par with ISIS

    RUSSIA has been named among the most significant threats to British security today – on the same level as the barbaric militants of Islamic State.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/617913/Britain-Russia-major-national-security-threat-ISIS

  40. custard

    And right on cue their ABC in seeking expert commentary on the death at Christmas Island interview……..Sarah Sea-Patrol.

    FMD.

  41. Struth

    Nothing says “cultural marxism ” like our asshat of the year award.

    What a joke.

    If I got nominated I would honestly tell them to shove it, and then I would go and have a good long hard look at myself and work out how on earth I could possibly be percieved as being so left wing.

    Right up there with the Walkleys.

  42. jupes

    ‘Medical warrior’ Anne Carey is WA’s AOTY nominee

    I long for the days when they made sportsmen* the AOTY.

    * This obviously doesn’t include Adam Goodes who was nominated for bullying a little girl.

  43. C.L.

    Trump delivers SNL highest ratings in four years.

    According to NBC, SNL had a whopping 6.6 household rating on Saturday night, easily beating the season’s previous high: the 41st season premiere last month, hosted by Miley Cyrus and with a guest appearance by none other than … Hillary Clinton. In fact, Trump’s overnight rating was 47 percent higher than the Miley/Hillary episode.

  44. Struth

    A medical warrior is someone who makes you poke out your tongue and say aahhh..lu Akbar

  45. C.L.

    Slavish Whitlamite Malcolm Turnbull moves to get Kerr:

    PM’s bid to unlock Kerr letters
    Malcolm Turnbull plans to advise the G-G and the Queen to release John Kerr’s correspondence.

    What an asshole.

  46. Top Ender

    Some Ruskis are getting a bit heated:

    Charlie Hebdo cartoons anger Russians

    RUSSIANS have taken to social media in large numbers over the weekend to denounce French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, after the Kremlin condemned as blasphemous its cartoons about the crash of a Russian passenger plane in Egypt.

    THE French magazine published two cartoons after a Russian passenger plane crashed in the Sinai Peninsula on October 31, killing all 224 people on board.

    Investigators are now “90 per cent sure” it was downed by a bomb, a member of the investigation team told Reuters on Sunday.

    The first drawing showed a passenger’s skull, with the caption: “The dangers of Russian low cost” flights. The second showed the plane’s debris falling on an Islamist militant with the legend: “The Russian air force is intensifying its air strikes.”

    From behind the Oz paywall – no link.

  47. Gab

    PM’s bid to unlock Kerr letters
    Malcolm Turnbull plans to advise the G-G and the Queen to release John Kerr’s correspondence.

    Mmyes because there are no pressing matters with which to occupy the prime minister’s time.

  48. C.L.

    Also in The Australian:

    No heroes in the dismissal

    TROY BRAMSTON
    After 40 years, new insights recast the crisis of November 1975.

    There are no new insights and, yes, John Kerr was and is a hero.

  49. C.L.

    Why doesn’t Turnbull order the release of the Lionel Murphy papers, embargoed FOREVER by the Hawke government with special legislation in 1986?

  50. Top Ender

    From the Oz.

    The day after Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was killed in 1968, Ben Carson’s black classmates unleashed their anger and grief on white students who were a minority at Detroit’s Southwestern High.

    Mr. Carson, then a junior with a key to a biology lab where he worked part time, told The Wall Street Journal last month that he protected a few white students from the attacks by hiding them there.

    It is a dramatic account of courage and kindness, and it couldn’t be confirmed in interviews with a half-dozen of Mr. Carson’s classmates and his high school physics teacher. The students all remembered the riot. None recalled hearing about white students hiding in the biology lab, and Mr. Carson couldn’t remember any names of those he sheltered.

    “It may have happened, but I didn’t see it myself or hear about it,” said Gregory Vartanian, a white classmate of Mr. Carson’s who served in the ROTC with Mr. Carson and is now a retired U.S. Marshal.

    Mr. Carson’s biography, a rise from poverty to become a top neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins University, is central to his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination. Now, his story — told in nine books and countless inspirational speeches over the past 25 years — has come under the harsh scrutiny of presidential politics, where rivals and media hunt for embellishments and omissions that can hobble a campaign.

    In 2008, Democratic Party candidate Hillary Clinton said she was mistaken when she claimed she and her daughter, Chelsea, had come under sniper fire and had to run for cover during a trip to Bosnia in 1996 while she was first lady. A video of the trip unearthed after her comments showed no gunfire.

    The threat to the Carson candidacy is that the inconsistencies or hard-to-check anecdotes, which were told long before he ever considered a presidential run, will put off voters only now getting to know him.

    Mr. Carson’s campaign manager, Barry Bennett, said Friday there was “no evidence” that any aspect of Mr. Carson’s biography wasn’t true. “There’s no facts saying they are not true. We are guilty until proven innocent,” he said. “You have no reason to believe that they are not true. There’s no evidence to point to the fact that they are even questionable.”

    In his 1990 autobiography, “Gifted Hands,” Mr. Carson writes of a Yale psychology professor who told Mr. Carson, then a junior, and the other students in the class — identified by Mr. Carson as Perceptions 301 — that their final exam papers had “inadvertently burned,” requiring all 150 students to retake it. The new exam, Mr. Carson recalled in the book, was much tougher. All the students but Mr. Carson walked out.

    “The professor came toward me. With her was a photographer for the Yale Daily News who paused and snapped my picture,” Mr. Carson wrote. “ ‘A hoax,’ the teacher said. ‘We wanted to see who was the most honest student in the class.’ ” Mr. Carson wrote that the professor handed him a $10 bill.

    No photo identifying Mr. Carson as a student ever ran, according to the Yale Daily News archives, and no stories from that era mention a class called Perceptions 301. Yale Librarian Claryn Spies said Friday there was no psychology course by that name or class number during any of Mr. Carson’s years at Yale.

    In books and speeches, Mr. Carson has said he hated living in poverty, vowed to grow rich, and lashed out in anger at others until a religious transformation at age 14.

    When CNN sent reporters to his former neighbourhood in Detroit to verify Mr. Carson’s stories of violence, including attempting to stab a boy in the stomach, none who knew Mr. Carson as a youth recalled any such trouble. Instead, most of Mr. Carson’s former friends and neighbours remember him much as he is today: soft-spoken and studious.

    In his 1996 book, “Think Big: Unleashing Your Potential for Excellence,” Mr. Carson identified the boy as a friend named “Bob.” Mr. Carson told Fox News on Thursday the boy was actually a “close relative.” Mr. Carson said, “I’ve never used the true names of people in books.”

    Also disputed in a report Friday by Politico: Mr. Carson’s assertion, first raised in the 1990 book, that he turned down a “scholarship” offer from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point — though the academy is free to those accepted. Mr. Bennett said Friday that Mr. Carson was offered a “nomination” to West Point but never applied.

    “Lying, I believe, is a grave sin and there’s just no way that I would be sitting here lying about something like this,” Mr. Carson said Friday on Fox News.

    Last month, Mr. Carson said in a radio interview that, as a young doctor, he had a gun stuck in his ribs at a Popeye’s restaurant in Baltimore near Johns Hopkins University. “A guy comes in and puts a gun in my ribs. And I just said, ‘I believe that you want the guy behind the counter,’” Mr. Carson said. “He said, ‘Oh, okay.’” The Baltimore Police Department later said it couldn’t find a report matching the incident Mr. Carson described.

    In response to a question at a recent GOP presidential debate, Mr. Carson said he “didn’t have an involvement” with Mannatech Inc., a multi-level marketing company that sells nutritional supplements, and called any suggestion to the contrary “propaganda.” Mr. Carson, who has taken the company’s products, appeared in videos that could until recently be found on Mannatech’s website, including two filmed in 2013 and styled like commercials.

    Mr. Carson also has given four paid speeches at Mannatech gatherings; the proceeds from three went to a Carson-affiliated charity. Mannatech settled false-advertising charges with Texas in 2009.

    One reason that Mr. Carson’s stories are difficult to check is that he navigated the turbulent times of his young adulthood without leaving much of a trace. He arrived as a scholarship student at Yale University in 1969 to a campus engulfed in protests but said he avoided them.

    “A lot of those students who were doing the protesting were also students who were involved in a lot of things that I didn’t believe in,” he told the Journal. “Drugs, premarital sex, free love, alcohol. And it just wasn’t the crowd that I particularly wanted to get involved with.”

    Mr. Carson was assigned to Davenport College, a four-storey brick dormitory with a gothic facade where future Baltimore Mayor Kurt Schmoke invited anti-war speakers. Yet, when other students discussed politics and their changing world over meals in the cafeteria, Mr. Carson rarely spoke up, according to interviews with more than 50 Davenport College dorm residents of that era.

    “He made no impression on you at all, other than a cheerful smile and a ‘Hello,’” said Ron Taylor, one of seven black students in the Davenport class of 1973.

    Those acquainted with Mr. Carson said he was a serious student, typically wearing a pocket protector and toting a reddish-brown briefcase.

    “He would go to bed at like 9pm and get up at 4am or 5am and put on a suit, a tie and a jacket and a button-down shirt and study in the early morning,” said Thomas Noonan, an actor and Mr. Carson’s roommate their sophomore year.

    The Wall Street Journal

  51. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Leigh Lowe at 9:25 am:

    “What was the Trump thing on SNL?
    A few weeks ago Hillary did a sketch on SNL where she delivered a couple of wooden lines about Trump in a sketch, during which the SNL “comedian” in the sketch broke into fits of forced laughter at Hill’s comedic brilliance.
    It was obviously a contrived attempt …”

    They are the unfunniest funny shows in God’s creation these feeble American efforts – epitomised by Letterman the awkward unspontaneous dork and yappy, dumb John Stewart, with their dopey audiences perched on the edge of their seats, waiting with bated breath for them to pull a stupid face at the camera so that they can fall about laughing helplessly. Stewart, the ever so talented Stewart, invariably pulled the same fabulously successful stupid face a second time and the audience would pee their pants all over again. Letterman had that thing going with his baldy band leader where he would have the drummer go “boom-tish” and that would become the most amusing event audience members had ever, ever experienced.

    I reckon the audience had no idea what they were watching in Monty Python Live at the Hollywood Bowl but they had paid good money to laugh uncontrollably and that’s what they did.

    America has a strange level of ordinary when it comes to humour.

  52. .

    Mr. Carson, then a junior with a key to a biology lab where he worked part time, told The Wall Street Journal last month that he protected a few white students from the attacks by hiding them there.

    Yeah what a weirdo. No comment about the CIA inventing AIDS to fuck over black people.

  53. candy

    I would say Malcolm Turnbull wants John Kerr’s letters released as a way of supporting his goal for us to become a republic, to influence people to think well if were a republic this kind of caper would not happen.

    I reckon he’s planned this for yonks, to discredit John Kerr etc. Well, he’s dead, so he has no comeback.

  54. .

    I note that pet leftist lunatic monty is rambling on about the Koch Brothers.

    monty must be some sort of loon who hates funding cancer research.

    Because FUCK cancer patients!

    I dunno. Do I really want to understand how monty “thinks”?

  55. .

    candy
    #1850167, posted on November 9, 2015 at 10:09 am
    I would say Malcolm Turnbull wants John Kerr’s letters released as a way of supporting his goal for us to become a republic, to influence people to think well if were a republic this kind of caper would not happen.

    I reckon he’s planned this for yonks, to discredit John Kerr etc. Well, he’s dead, so he has no comeback.

    Well hey he probably has a good point.

    Sunshine is the best disinfectant. If people are influenced by the information, the letters mean something.

    “Oh no we mustn’t look at this, the conclusion may not support our belief set”

    Really?

  56. Des Deskperson

    ‘I long for the days when they made sportsmen* the AOTY.’

    Probably a good idea.

    These days, the AOTY awards are aimed not at celebrating Australian achievements and the Australian character, but at making ordinary Australians feel ashamed of themselves. This is why the likes of McGregor and Morrison still have a good chance of getting up in 2016, even though their ‘achievements’ involve mostly well-paid self-promotion.

  57. .

    Jesus Christ this smearjob the NBC are doing to Carson is just ludicrous.

    It is like being in Soviet Russia, circa 1981, interviewing a dissident under the state media.

  58. jupes

    Do I really want to understand how monty “thinks”?

    Similar to you. You two are peas in pod on gay marriage, open borders, John Kerr and the benefits of Qatari immigration.

    Oh wait, that last one is just you.

  59. .

    jupes
    #1850196, posted on November 9, 2015 at 10:42 am
    Do I really want to understand how monty “thinks”?

    Similar to you. You two are peas in pod

    Truly meth addled delusional thinking. Lay off the hard stuff for a while, son.

  60. Baldrick

    Des Deskperson
    #1850141, posted on November 9, 2015 at 9:21 am
    ‘Medical warrior’ Anne Carey is WA’s AOTY nominee

    QLD: Catherine McGregor AM, ‘diversity champion’
    ACT: David Morrison AO ‘equality advocate’
    VIC: Julian McMahon ‘Barrister and Human Rights Advocate’
    TAS: Jane Hutchinson, ’conservationist’
    NT: Will MacGregor, ‘youth worker’
    WA: Anne Carey, ‘medical warrior’

    Touchy feely stuff, the lot of it.

  61. Turnip

    “Kirsty Hetherington watched from West End as the huge plane appeared to plummet towards the Brisbane River.

    “In a nose-dive within 15 meters of the roof of the Brisbane Convention Centre, below the level of the neighbouring multi-storey offices,” she said.”

    A Globemaster lumbering along, nose down, 15 metres (50 feet) above the Convention Centre. Kristy is about 12 years old I think”

    Kirsty is an Architectural graduate (if she is the one I found on Linkedin). Hope she uses something a bit more accurate for measurement than her eyesight.

  62. Arky

    Stupid Cricket Australia won’t let you watch the test live streamed without going to the Cricket Australia website and opening an account.
    Hey, cockheads, it is on free to air. Why would I pay for an account?
    Sort yourselves out.
    Sport was so much better before all the money and professionalism spoilt it.
    Full-time meathead athletes with no other experience than running about with balls and pumping themselves up in the gym.
    Schwarzenegger has a lot to answer for.
    In the old days sportsmen were real people with jobs and sometimes beer guts, and they performed amazing feats on the weekend then showed up for work on Monday.
    Now we pay through the nose to watch tattooed overpaid pretty boys in between the inane banter of the previous generation of pretty boys and the constant hustling nagging of sportsbetting spruikers.

  63. Struth

    Unfortunately, the media only let the sunshine in through selected windows.

  64. goatjam

    These days, the AOTY awards are aimed not at celebrating Australian achievements and the Australian character, but at making ordinary Australians feel ashamed of themselves.

    It kind of works. Every time I am reminded of AOTY Rosie Batty it makes me ashamed of Australia.

    Ditto for Goodes.

  65. goatjam

    Sport was so much better before all the money and professionalism spoilt it.

    Just don’t watch it Arky. I’ve changed from a “test cricket tragic” to “cricket, meh” since the invention of that “must slog every ball for 6” rubbish they play today.

  66. Arky

    Cricket appeals to my autistic side Goaty.
    All the numbers and statistics.

  67. Top Ender

    The press in Britain seems to be turning against the concept of “refugees” and using the term “migrants’ instead.

    What sort of vapid, brain-dead, look-at-me lefties are employed by the media these days? The term “useful idiots” was well-coined by Lenin.

    Check out an example of the dawnings of reality here.

  68. johanna

    Stupid Cricket Australia won’t let you watch the test live streamed without going to the Cricket Australia website and opening an account.
    Hey, cockheads, it is on free to air. Why would I pay for an account?

    Arky, even if it was free it’s pernicious.

    I no longer comment on MSM sites that require registration. They are just harvesting your personal details, which are a marketable commodity, for free. Similarly, I don’t participate in things like Flybuys, for the same reasons.

    If they offer me some $$ for my details, which we are always being told should be guarded against spammers and frauds, I might consider it. Might.

  69. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A RAAF aircraft flies low over Brisbane as part of a training exercise. The ABC finds the one person who responds this way.

    Leftards are not only evil but very precious.

    “I was furious to find out that this was a planned military exercise”

    Very, very precious, indeed.

  70. goatjam

    I no longer comment on MSM sites that require registration. They are just harvesting your personal details, which are a marketable commodity, for free.

    Every person using the Internet should have an Internet birthday with an associated email address.

  71. johanna

    “I was furious to find out that this was a planned military exercise”

    So, was this micro-aggression or macro-aggression?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

  72. goatjam

    A RAAF aircraft flies low over Brisbane as part of a training exercise. The ABC finds the one person who responds this way.

    Remember last year the same thing happened but that time it was a completely wasteful sop to “domestic violence” or some such rubbish?

    I don’t recall leftards crying over that.

  73. Bruce of Newcastle

    Since its a time for lists, Q&A tonight:

    Andrew Denton – Journalist and Broadcaster
    Karen Hitchcock – Author and doctor, Alfred Hospital, Melbourne
    Ralph McConaghy – Palliative care specialist, Wesley Hospital Brisbane
    Ana Lamaro – Retired homoeopath & psychotherapist, responding to living with cancer
    Rodney Syme – Melbourne doctor and vice-president of Dying with Dignity Victoria

    Dr Hitchcock looks to be a fine lady, although the ABC has her on regularly. Ralph McConaghy appears likewise to be a fine guy. So I call it 4:0 with two abstentions.

    Make sure you are well medicated with happy pills though, as by the end of it you may feel like drowning yourself to save da planet.

  74. Geriatric Mayfly

    A minor frightbat is “furious.” Once, it used to be that feminists were “angry.” And the object of their ire was just about everything. As they ramp up their hormonal reactions, what superlative can we look forward to after “furious?”

  75. James in Melbourne

    I would say Malcolm Turnbull wants John Kerr’s letters released as a way of supporting his goal for us to become a republic

    Not if the correspondence goes further in revealing, as the ALP discovered at the time, that the Palace’s response to the whole thing was, “your problem, boys and girls.”

    However that little fact does not suit the whole “we’re still under the imperial yoke, got to stand on our own two feet” brigade.

  76. Grigory M

    Mick Gold Coast QLD #1850135, posted on November 9, 2015 at 9:14 am

    A Globemaster lumbering along, nose down, 15 metres (50 feet) above the Convention Centre. Kristy is about 12 years old I think

    Kirsty needs to get a life – visit Maho beach – and be blown away.

  77. thefrollickingmole

    I had an “incident” with 3 low flying jets on a training exercise near Northampton in WA.

    I was on a motorbike mustering sheep in a gully between 2 large hills when 3 of the buggers went overhead at hilltop level.
    They came from behind so the first i knew was a flash of shadow, a shitload of noise, then the flash as the planes went by.
    Sheep scattered, I nearly fell off the motorbike and my grandfathers dog (on the back on his ute behind me) jumped off and nearly strangled itself to death with it collar. I bet those buggers had a laugh as they swept back down the gully to look at their handywork.

    But really nice flying, proper “under the radar” stuff.

  78. srr

    David Cameron reveals that he could back leaving the EU

    VOTING in the in-out referendum will be the biggest political choice UK voters have ever made, David Cameron will say tomorrow.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/617955/David-Cameron-EU-back-leave-referendum-politics-news-uk

    Yeah but worry if the UK stays captured by the EU, because maybe, it could be, that Brits might be allowed to have, and use, a little bit more of some of their own laws … maybe …

    Tory Government plans to let judges refer to UK law before rulings from Strasbourg

    BRITISH judges could rely more on UK and Commonwealth colleagues’ rulings than on those handed down by the European Court of Human Rights, according to a leaked draft blueprint for reform.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/617946/Tory-Government-judges-refer-UK-law-rulings-Strasbourg

  79. Arky

    Aside from the grand finals, when was the last time anyone saw an Australian sporting stadium filled to capacity?
    Administrators have built all these huge modern stadia that seem to be mostly empty of spectators.
    Look back at old photographs of sporting events and you will see people packed in and clinging to every surface for even fairly common place events.
    I don’t think it is just the technology. I think people just are not as excited by what is being served up.
    You can only commodify something to a certain point until it begins to lose its original charm and appeal.
    Take sex.
    The best you had was those first naive fumblings with someone else who probably had no idea what they were doing.
    But once all the participants are paid, surrounded by cameramen, directors, miked up and scripted it is kinda no longer much fun.
    Sport reached that point of whorish boredom a long time ago.

  80. Struth

    I think you could have used the letters a and x in that question G M.

  81. C.L.

    I would say Malcolm Turnbull wants John Kerr’s letters released as a way of supporting his goal for us to become a republic, to influence people to think well if were a republic this kind of caper would not happen.

    I think you are 100 percent correct, Candy.

    Interesting tag-team stunt going on here.

    Republican Paul Kelly resurrects the Dismissal and Turnbull responds a week later with a proposal to break a statutory embargo.

  82. C.L.

    … the NBC are doing to Carson …

    Yes, it’s unfair.
    And yet … there it is: Carson is a fruitloop.

  83. Bruce in WA

    As they ramp up their hormonal reactions, what superlative can we look forward to after “furious?”

    Livid?

    Unwillingly aroused?

  84. johanna

    As someone who lived through The Dismissal, I can’t understand why these people think that your average Aussie gives a toss about it today. It has been done to death. Every detail, every implication, has been rehashed ad nauseam for decades. At least half of the people who were around then are dead.

    Can’t see the book streaking up the best-seller charts, even if it had been written by Freddie Forsyth – which it wasn’t.

  85. goatjam

    Once they get to “apoplectic” they will need to invent a new word.

  86. Grigory M

    Unwillingly aroused?

    😯

  87. goatjam

    Is that your sex face Grigory?

  88. Grigory M

    Interesting tag-team stunt going on here.

    Republican Paul Kelly resurrects the Dismissal and Turnbull responds a week later with a proposal to break a statutory embargo.

    Scurrilous, C.L. – scurrilous. 😉

  89. Struth

    Suicidal……that would be nice.

  90. Arky

    johanna
    #1850256, posted on November 9, 2015 at 11:48 am
    As someone who lived through The Dismissal, I can’t understand why these people think that your average Aussie gives a toss about it today.

    ..
    It is a touchstone in their mythology.
    How the evil establishment conspired to oust a legitimate government and forestall their version of Camelot.

  91. nerblnob

    Aside from the grand finals, when was the last time anyone saw an Australian sporting stadium filled to capacity?

    Last few Anzac Days at the MCG.
    Cricket World Cup.
    Open Tennis.
    Justin Beiber concerts …

    But your general point is a good one. Plenty of other competition for people’s attention these days too.

  92. Struth

    The days of Lillee and Marsh can’t be brought back .
    They were products of a different culture.
    A better one.

  93. goatjam

    The days of Lillee and Marsh can’t be brought back .
    They were products of a different culture.
    A better one.

    Sad but true. The bunch of preening fuckwads and precious petals that make up the body of Australian sports these days are a sad indictment on this country and its culture.

  94. johanna

    Yes, it’s interesting to see old footage of events like the races on an ordinary day, or football matches. They were packed.

    Nowadays, race betting is mainly offsite and the stands are empty for most of the year. People prefer to watch the footy on a big screen at home or at a club or pub. These are the conventional explanations.

    Yet, in the US, when you see the NFL games on TV, the stands in their huge stadia are choc-a-block.

    It’s a conundrum. Why do Americans go to NFL games in millions, while we don’t?

  95. srr

    Here you go, far more important news than the real news of Muslims deciding to start blowing passenger planes out of the skies … the fake news of fake science lying about the sinking of the value of your real estate … the lead story at The Age now –

    How Melbourne will look when the seas rise

    [image caption] Hurricane Katrina left much of New Orleans under water in 2005.
    A similar scenario could play out for many of the world’s big cities if predicted sea level rises occur.

    11:28AM New global maps show many of the world’s biggest metropolises could be largely under water.

    http://www.theage.com.au/environment/how-runaway-sea-level-rise-could-one-day-swamp-the-worlds-biggest-cities-20151108-gktiil.html

  96. Ros

    A bit of nostalgia about the Philosopher King for those who didn’t hear it back then. Dennis Atkins, 2009. The sad story of the cat. This must be one of the weirdest yarns around about Australian politics. I would be interested to know why Atkins felt that this story about Turnbull needed to be aired back then whereas now all is well it seems with Turnbull. Diamond Jim’s take on Turnbull should be compulsory reading for all those who still think he is in with a chance of being a decent and capable leader this time round. “ He’d devour anyone for breakfast, he’s on the make, he’s cynical”

    “YOU have to feel sorry for the cat. It’s a story that has been drawn inevitably into the sad saga that is Malcolm Turnbull’s last week in Parliament before the winter break.

    The history is that in the 1970s love was very much in the air and Turnbull, an up-and-coming journo and barrister, was smitten with his girlfriend Fiona Watson, who was the apparently ravishing daughter of Labor Party grandee “Diamond” Jim McClelland.

    The setting was Sydney’s shimmering Double Bay.

    While Diamond Jim did not like Malcolm (“He’d devour anyone for breakfast, he’s on the make, he’s cynical”), in the way the modern Labor Party has no time for him, young Fiona was, for a time, taken.

    But she tired of him too and the affair ended in tears.

    Malcolm lived up to his still extant reputation never to give up and tried something novel to win back the gal who’d shunned him.
    He wrote to her cat.

    Sydney barrister and journalist Richard Ackland, who was once sued by Turnbull over the cat story, quotes one of the letters on his Justinian website.

    “Tell her I know a lot about her current boyfriends (and they) will tell her not to see me, they will stroke her back and tell her to forget me,” wrote the heartbroken suitor.

    The cat met a nasty end. Some said Turnbull killed the feline beast. Former Sydney Morning Herald proprietor and now Florida prison inmate Conrad Black even went as far as saying, in his memoirs, the cat met its fate after being put in the freezer.

    Turnbull, who has sued a few times on this (leading to a sign over the subbing desks in the Fairfax offices in Sydney insisting the “cat should never be mentioned”), insists the pussy was run over and laughs off the cat story.

    But in the hothouse climate of Parliament this week, the cat was back.

    Agriculture Minister Tony Burke, who’s becoming more famous for dirt-throwing than dirt tilling, was asked an innocent question on animal protection.

    You know where he went, finishing his tut-tutting about how sad it is when people get angry and little animals get hurt.

    Burke’s concern extended all the way to Jasper, the Prime Ministerial cat at the Lodge.

    Burke protested that if Jasper was harmed, “questions would be asked”.

    Malcolm Turnbull must hate cats as much as he hates Treasury officials with giant palm trees in their front yards.”

    Grech had giant palm trees?

  97. Jeremy Steyer

    If only the evil top hatted Kerr had not cast down the majestic leonine Whitlam Australia would now be a republican paradise with gay marriage plentiful, equality for all and the environmental considerations at the centre of economic policy.

    No wonder Turnbull wants him rehabilitated

  98. I see that and smile and move on then, at 6 in the morning, I get my first belly laugh for the week, dished up by two blokes who are usually pretty much on top of things here. On this occasion they revealed their youth and inexperience 😉 …

    Gees, ZK2A, I didn’t really have to put a smiley and a wink at the end of my reply did I?
    (I know what the said phonebook feels like, during a brief chat to some nice 21st Divvie? boys in Darlinghurst one fine day. Also saw it in use when a youngish bloke who had been playing hide the sausage with the Sergeants <16yo daughter. I still don't like that book in the house.)

  99. Top Ender

    Speaking of low-flying aircraft, we have weeks of that every year in the Dry season in the Top End.

    Usually June and July is dominated by Hornets, Harriers, Falcons, Globemasters, KC-135 tankers, radar aircraft with big dishes atop, and Hercules everywhere. Plus various other stuff – there is always a variety of air forces participating.

    One US bloke put it well a few years back when he explained we have lots of empty space in which to blow things up.

    Sometimes there is an Open Day following, which sees queues stretching for kilometres of cars as people come in to see the flying hardware up close.

    There WAS a bloke getting around in a Kombi last year protesting about US Marines and so on. He was thought to be quite amusing.

    Restores your faith in dinki-di Aussies who have real values.

  100. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    As they ramp up their hormonal reactions, what superlative can we look forward to after “furious?”

    Rabid?

    Then there’s Kirsty the scared little kitten. She should have been around our place in the early hours of Saturday morning (circa 4am) when the whole Vaucluse peninsula was hammered by helicopters with searchlights. What is it? I ask HIA at the window as he pulls aside the curtains. Something on at The Gap, I think, he says wearily. Or HMAS Watson? I suggest, enthusiastic that we are in the middle of Something Naval and Big Going On. Nope, he says. Suicide, most likely. Back to bed.

    Longer termers in this area tell us you get used to it. The area around The Gap is now heavily monitored – I’ve driven by two suicides or attempted suicides there so far – police cars everywhere. Apparently before all of the shielding and phone-for-help phones there, a man living opposite was a local hero for talking people down and out of it. The sort who we used to see as Australian of the Year; not any more though.

  101. Snoopy

    God, that Terri Butler is an attention seeker. Ed Husic asks a question and Butler learns over almost horizontal to get her head in camera shot.

  102. Top Ender

    Letter of the day in the Oz?

    Darwin should be developed as a naval base
    THE AUSTRALIAN NOVEMBER 09, 2015

    Nicolas Rothwell refers to the Japanese attacks in World War II (“Disquiet over deal on Darwin’s gateway to Asia”, 7/11). The Japanese didn’t need to own the port to gather intelligence — their merchant ships did that. US navy ships use the port, he says. They might well be doing so next to a Chinese freighter right now. But they don’t do a lot more than refuel.

    The silence around the deal is striking, he says. Well, perhaps there is not a lot to say and there are few substantial negatives listed. There are no scallop beds to get excited about. No one says it’s not a good commercial deal with an operator whose country is likely to be an important user. And let’s be real, compared to, say, Gladstone or Townsville, Darwin is still turnover tiddlywinks.

    The need for growth is dire, so I imagine that would be the hope by tying in with China with its needs and deep pockets. There would be no such possibility with the US or any other country. If there’s more of the elusive genie of northern development to emerge, it will come from countries to the north of Darwin.

    The real story is not the sale of the port. It is the long neglect of northern naval infrastructure. For more than 30 years, the navy’s Darwin base has been unable to handle anything larger than a patrol boat. Our submarines and large surface craft are based at Perth and Sydney where the admirals like to live. The bigger the base, the bigger the brass and no naval brass want to live in Darwin. But for a fraction of the billions squandered on subs, Australia could have an excellent base in Darwin, and extend the range of our vessels by 4000km.

    Paul Everingham, (Northern Territory chief minister, 1978-84), Hamilton, Qld

  103. Spider

    Not certain what happened to my comment this morning about the anonymous Christmas Island gentlemen who spoke to Michael Rowland via Mobile phone on ABC24.

    His voice sounded very Australian in its phrasing and choice of words but he claimed to be a refugee on the inside.

    It even unsettled Rowlands normal composure in these matters so much so that Micheal asked where did you get a phone.

    Call me suspicious but …

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