Peace in our time.

thanks Malcolm!

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109 Responses to Peace in our time.

  1. Stackja says:

    MT can’t help being MT.

  2. Lysander says:

    I woke up this morning and thought I read that MT had said he wanted to do a deal with ISIS. I was wrong. Right?

  3. handjive says:

    Today’s Special!
    Green Ham wrapped in pineapple Pizza.

  4. Infidel Tiger says:

    I’m happy for Turnbull to do a deal with ISIS as long as he negotiates it personally in Raqqa.

  5. . says:

    I think Lysander points out why we need recall laws in Australia.

  6. C.L. says:

    Can we take down the ridiculous banner?

    The RAAF couldn’t find Amanda Vanstone’s arse with a laser-guided missile.

  7. Fat Tony says:

    FWIW I sent an email to my local (Liberal) member, Ian Macfarlane, asking whether he supported this idiot (Turdball) in this matter.
    Macfarlane supported Turdball in the coup – for which I ensured he received an appropriate “congratulatory” email. Macfarlane didn’t answer that one, so I presume he won’t answer the latest one either.

    Does Sinc still think the sun shines out of Turdball’s arse – or he can’t really see cos he hasn’t finished the tongue-bath yet??

  8. Megan says:

    He’s an idiot at the top end of the Rimmer Scale. I was not expecting anything different.

  9. Infidel Tiger says:

    I assumed the jets belonged to ISIS.

  10. jrm says:

    See this from Mark Durie.

  11. Megan says:

    The RAAF couldn’t find Amanda Vanstone’s arse with a laser-guided missile.

    Does the RAAF actually have any operational aircraft any more? Or has it been as emasculated as the rest of our military?

  12. iain russell says:

    Megan, ‘Rimmer scale’? ‘Felsher scale’!

  13. jrm says:

    And, yes. Turnbull is turning out to be worse than I’d imagined he could be.

  14. James says:

    Peace?

    Does he mean “Pieces”? One piece here, one piece there?

  15. James says:

    Maybe he meant “Appease”?

  16. Rayvic says:

    Based on Malcolm’s muddled thinking and Intelligence and Security Committee head Dan Tehan’s belief (stated on ABC AM today) that Syrian president Bashar al-Assad could be moved aside and a political solution brokered in the war-torn country within six months, it appears to be a case of the blind leading the blind.

  17. John Comnenus says:

    jrm,

    that was a great article by Durie. Its a pity it wont be read by Turnbull or anyone in our foreign or security services.

  18. Bryn says:

    Mal de Mer

  19. jrm says:

    John Comnenus,

    I suspect you’re right, which is why I think we have very bad times ahead of us.

  20. John Comnenus says:

    I might have been wrong on Turnbull – this appeasement in support of Obama is a disaster. But I have been consistently right on Putin. For years I have argued that Putin wants to be seen as the leader of the Christian World. Obama has now given him that opportunity and Putin has grabbed it with both hands.

    As sad as it is to say, I am more confident in Putin’s strategic management than I am in my own government and the Obama led USA.

    How did we get to be so gutless and stupid as a nation?

  21. Lysander says:

    How did we get to be so gutless and stupid as a nation?

    I’m certain an economist and an educationalist could get together and plot our rising stupidity against ABC expenditure on a graph.

  22. Uh oh says:

    Surely Mal was talking about a compromise between Assad and the FSA; not ISIS. Wasn’t he?

  23. Baldrick says:

    The first Earl of Dickheadian, Lord Kardashian of Wentworth.

  24. handjive says:

    @jrm
    #1860978, posted on November 19, 2015 at 12:30 pm
    See this from Mark Durie.

    “There is still much that European states could do to defeat ISIS. They could, for example, inflict catastrophic military failure upon it as a powerful counter-argument to its theology of success.”
    ~ ~ ~
    Quite so.

    See this: Outside The Box – Why Not Deliver To ISIS Their Apocalypse?

    “They are reading from a script that was written 1,400 years ago.
    They not only follow these prophecies, but plan ahead based upon them.

    The Islamic State has attached great importance to the Syrian city of Dabiq, near Aleppo. It named its propaganda magazine after the town, and celebrated madly when (at great cost) it conquered Dabiq’s strategically unimportant plains.

    ISIS adherents believe there will be an apocalyptic showdown between their caliphate and the “Army of Rome” in the area of Dabiq.
    Dabiq is a village north of Aleppo, near the Turkish border.

    If the United States were to invade, the Islamic State’s obsession with battle at Dabiq suggests that it might send vast resources there, as if in a conventional battle. If the state musters at Dabiq in full force, only to be routed, it might never recover.

    – if ISIS wants to die there and we want to kill them, let’s send in some US-led troops and give them their apocalypse.
    That should be much easier than liberating and occupying all of ISIS-occupied Syria and Iraq.”

  25. Nicholas (Rule yourselves!) Gray says:

    Peace, and in our time! Doing deals with the devil gives you diabolical advantages! the Turnball Sell-out tour goes on!
    Get ahead of the trend- sell your children to ISIS now!

  26. JMH says:

    Fat Tony
    #1860973, posted on November 19, 2015 at 12:27 pm

    FWIW I sent an email to my local (Liberal) member,

    I’m in a Nat seat which may or may not be safe. I’ve just sent my local member a q and a and I am sure from the tone of my email, he will know the tone of his reply – or not -may influence my vote which might not be as safe as it was this time last year.

  27. twostix says:

    Surely Mal was talking about a compromise between Assad and the FSA; not ISIS. Wasn’t he?

    The FSA is ISIS.

    Sources told Homs, Syria-based Zaman Alwasl newspaper that several factions within the FSA, including Ahl Al Athar, Ibin al-Qa’im, and Aisha have pledged to support the Islamic State.

    Reports from the resort-city of Al-Zabadani have confirmed that the western-backed “Free Syrian Army” (FSA) is currently fighting alongside two terrorist groups, the Syrian Al-Qaeda group “Jabhat Al-Nusra” and the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS)

    It’s all the same people doing the same stuff, the “FSA” is just a front group.

  28. . says:

    The FSA is ISIS.

    Not this shit again.

  29. Andreas says:

    Does the RAAF actually have any operational aircraft any more? Or has it been as emasculated as the rest of our military?


    The Royal Australian Air Force in all its glory.

    Actually they do still have planes, but their only function now is as the air-wing of the anti-domestic violence campaign.

  30. Ragu says:

    Mao Tze Bull and the Rake are swanning around the world saying their gunna do this and that, without the parliamentary party having any say, let alone debate the waffle.

    Geez, didn’t Abbott get a bollocking for doing the same thing?

  31. Infidel Tiger says:

    The FSA is ISIS.

    Not this shit again.

    Dot you have been so beclowned trying to argue this isn’t the case that your clown college now refuses to acknowledge you even attended there.

  32. Simon/other says:

    I reckon Shortens odds just improved for the next election.
    I don’t think Mal has lived up to any of his advertised talents, doesn’t play fair, has no balls, can’t convince anyone of anything and so far has not said or done a single intelligent thing. As for leadership… small and petty.

  33. Ragu says:

    J Bishop really is a corpse with eyes

  34. John Dee says:

    Please read this to understand why Turnbull is so dangerous to Australia’s future.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

  35. John Comnenus says:

    Uh oh,

    I understood that he said it was up to the Syrians to decide. Most Syrians are likely to choose ISIS because the majority is Sunni and ISIS is the strongest Sunni group.

    Imagine Malcolm at the Casablanca Conference in World War II where the Allies decided that unconditional surrender was the aim.

    Roosevelt:

    “We mean no harm to the common people of the Axis nations. But we do mean to impose punishment and retribution upon their guilty, barbaric leaders”

    Turnbull:

    Well with all due respect to you Mr President and the eloquent position you enumerate on behalf of your government and of course all the people’s of the United States, I think Australia’s position, as embodied in the Government that I lead, might beg to differ, to posit an alternate hypothesis on the most effective way to truncate and or terminate the war. You see we believe that we need a pragmatic solution that will undercut the support for Mr Hitler, the German National Socialist Workers Party, or NAZI’s as they are often called, by the German people. And you see, Mr President, and I venture this option in a friendly way and with the greatest respect for your position, you see that if we marginalise the amount of physical area that Hitler remains in control of we will diminish his support and hence his power. That, in our estimation is the best way to fight Hitler, but if the German people want to keep Mr Hitler, then who are we to decide that Mr Hitler is evil? It just isn’t up to us to decide who should rule Germany. Can I suggest that the land mass we leave Mr Hitler to rule over is the area around Silesia bounded by Auschwitz to the West, Treblinka to the north and Belzec to the East.

    Roosevelt:

    Sorry Malcolm I appear to have dozed off after truncate and terminate.

  36. twostix says:

    Mao Tze Bull and the Rake are swanning around the world saying their gunna do this and that, without the parliamentary party having any say, let alone debate the waffle.

    Oh yes.

    Remember the “threat” stunt back in January that the Turnbullian backbenchers staged where they “warned” Abbott that he had to stop acting unilaterally?

    Not a care in the world now.

    Turnbullians sure did go full on FSA on Abbott didn’t they? Pretending to be only coincidentally aligned with The Age as they went to war with him fighting in the same trenches as The Age and Guardian columnists.

  37. Dr Faustus says:

    The Australian prime minister told reporters at the Apec summit in Manila that in an ideal world, a post-conflict Syria would end up with “a form of government that involved power sharing between the various groups”.

    In a message to Russia and the US, he said the parties had to adopt a “whatever it takes” attitude because the Syrian problem had dragged on for far too long.

    The Big Boy’s table on Syria is the International Syria Support Group (ISSG). The ISSG consists of the Arab League, China, Egypt, the EU, France, Germany, Iran, Iraq, Italy, Jordan, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, the United Nations, and the United States.

    Not Australia – expressly not innovative Australia, by specific request of the main actor.

    Turnbull’s portentious announcements and agile, disruptive instructions from the peanut gallery amount to him vigorously polishing the bishop for domestic consumption.

  38. John Comnenus says:

    No doubt Mr Turnbull took his pragmatic response to cabinet for full discussion.

    Why can’t we seem to find any leader since Howard who will operate through the proven Anglo – Australian tradition of rule through cabinet? After all the Prime minister is meant to be first amongst equals.

  39. cohenite says:

    FSA/isis; which does Obama support? That’s all the guidance you need.

  40. mizaris says:

    Surely the left have reached peak stupidity……surely it just couldn’t get any more brain addled than this. This bunch of sub moronic hypocrital cretins have totally fvcked over this country with Turncoat as their chief fool.

    http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/comment-waleed-aly-gave-the-speech-malcolm-turnbull-should-have-given/ar-BBn98xF?li=AA4RE4&ocid=mailsignout

    Turncoat is a traitorous destroyer of all we know and love about this country.

    Roll on the election and the ALA.

  41. mc says:

    Peace, and in our time – as in the religion of peace

  42. harry buttle says:

    Can we play the Churchillian recall card now and get Abbott back?

  43. Infidel Tiger says:

    FSA/isis; which does Obama support?

    Both.

    He’s furious at the people bombing them though.

  44. Ant says:

    Maol needs to work on his strategy.

    I’d suggest he mans up and procures one of these.

    It’s been an excellent attention grabber in his not too distant past and could work for him again.

  45. Grigory M says:

    Can we take down the ridiculous banner?

    The RAAF couldn’t find Amanda Vanstone’s arse with a laser-guided missile.

    Certainly not with French Mirages – which the RAAF currently has none of (can’t see any mothballs in the banner pic). 😉

  46. H B Bear says:

    Waleed Aly gave the speech Turnbull should have

    Winston Churchill understood leading Britain through her finest hour: so should politicians of all sides of our politics who claim Churchill as their hero.

    It’s a fair bet that Terry Barnes or his fellow travellers at Young Chip’s Teh Dumb haven’t read any of Churchill’s early writings on the threat posed by Islam wherever it may be. We do need a Churchillian leader but not for the reason these clowns think.

  47. duncanm says:

    handjive – that’s exactly what we should give them.

    They want their final battle in Dabiq – exploit that as a honey pot, then resolve the issue with excessive force.

  48. Louis says:

    The question now is whether to call him Neville Turnbull or Malcom Chamberlain?

  49. Habib says:

    – if ISIS wants to die there and we want to kill them, let’s send in some US-led troops and give them their apocalypse. Why risk troops? A few megatons will do the job nicely, and reinforce it with a concrete guarantee than any further shenannigans of any kind will see a few more lobbing into assorted other sandgoblin-infested shitholes. Won’t hear another peep from the bastards.

  50. Leo G says:

    The Australian prime minister told reporters at the Apec summit in Manila that in an ideal world, a post-conflict Syria would end up with “a form of government that involved power sharing between the various groups”.

    Presumably that would be power sharing between the Syrian Computer Society (‘Basher’ and a few of his Alawite chums) and the Iran Revolutionary Guard (not necessarily in that order of significance).
    ISIS won’t survive “post-conflict”, they are Assad’s allies of convenience, allies which he knows the IRG will quickly eliminate (with Hizbullah and possibly the Russians lending a hand). Very useful at the moment of course as a foil to the Americans and as a supplier of oil to the regime.

  51. Infidel Tiger says:

    The question now is whether to call him Neville Turnbull or Malcom Chamberlain?

    Chamberlain was an honourable man who admitted he had been duped and fell into line.

    The Maoetarian will never back down.

  52. Fred Lenin says:

    If Rudd can write “the Harvard Papers” Turnbull can create ” Peace in our Time “.
    Now where have I heard that before . The Sheer Arrogance of these career political muppets is breathtakng ,
    Self Delusion Rules OK?

  53. Infidel Tiger says:

    Winston Churchill understood leading Britain through her finest hour: so should politicians of all sides of our politics who claim Churchill as their hero.

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

    The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property—either as a child, a wife, or a concubine—must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science—the science against which it had vainly struggled—the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

  54. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Chamberlain was an honourable man who admitted he had been duped and fell into line.

    Neville Chamberlain was an honest, decent and sincere man who didn’t believe anyone would be mad enough ever to start another war…….I know, I know……

  55. cynical1 says:

    The RAAF’s finest.

    Don’t be silly.

    That’s not Katie Mc’gregor.

    Or is it beforehand.

    As a soldier once said.

    “We’re doomed Captain Mainwaring”…

  56. Fred Lenin says:

    Mizaris ,good for you ,the ALA Might poll surprisingly well ,theres a lot ofdisenchantment with the career political muppets .

  57. James says:

    I reckon Shortens odds just improved for the next election.

    Shorten me-tooed Tony Abbott on national security. Tony Abbott trusted Shorten more than his own colleagues.

  58. cynical1 says:

    Waleed Aly gave the speech Turnbull should have

    ………………………………………………………………………………………..

    London Times 1940.

    “That Churchill is trouble. He needs to listen to Lord Haw Haw”…

  59. James says:

    Can we play the Churchillian recall card now and get Abbott back?

    Feel free to join in the effort

  60. John Comnenus says:

    But when will we finally focus on the existential threat from global warming?

  61. incoherent rambler says:

    The question now is whether to call him Neville Turnbull or Malcom Chamberlain?

    I prefer Mogodon Mal.

  62. Leo G says:

    Peace, and in our time – as in the religion of peace

    Easy ‘peasy, lumpen queasy

  63. cohenite says:

    Churchill’s description of islam is perfect and concise. Anyone who supports islam is really demented in some way.

  64. Zatara says:

    Can we take down the ridiculous banner?

    The RAAF couldn’t find Amanda Vanstone’s arse with a laser-guided missile.

    Certainly not with French Mirages – which the RAAF currently has none of (can’t see any mothballs in the banner pic). 😉

    So those Rafaels are just a mirage?

  65. twostix says:

    Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

    This is why the left initally began to embrace Islam as a sympathetic ally after their last patron was destroyed.

    Where we see slovenly systems of agriculture they see Volkish back to nature style farming. Where we see sluggish methods of commerce they see state restraint on capitalism . And “insecurity of property”, well that’s the cherry on top.

  66. johninoxley says:

    Ant, is that the ute from’ Utegate’.

  67. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Churchill’s description of islam is perfect and concise. Anyone who supports islam is really demented in some way.

    I can NEVER understand how any woman from a “Western” society can convert to Islam – NEVER!!!!

  68. Ant says:

    I do believe it is, john – without the obvious enhancement…I don’t think Kev’s had the tub liner.

  69. Splatacrobat says:

    Neville Chamberlain was an honest, decent and sincere man who didn’t believe anyone would be mad enough ever to start another war…….I know, I know……

    Chamberlain didn’t have the advantage of history when dealing with global fanatics. Turnbull does and he still managed to fuck it up.

  70. Cruse says:

    Infidel Tiger
    #1861040, posted on November 19, 2015 at 1:23 pm

    The RAAF’s finest.

    To close for comfort. When my oldest boy was at ADFA (RAAF stream) he sent us some photos of him in and around the cockpit of an operational F/A18. Did fill his parents with confidence, it looked like a heap of junk, scarred paint, worn controls, badly scratched canopy and the seat was repaired with duct tape (for God’s sake).
    If it was a 4-wheeler in a used car lot you wouldn’t have gone near it. We were mightily relieved when he later transferred over to the Army side of things.

  71. Cruse says:

    … did not… Dammit!

  72. Boambee John says:

    And Turnbull’s grand idea for his “negotiated” outcome is for ISIS to be given (presumably Sunni) parts of Syria and Iraq as their “state”. The example he offers is Lebanon.

    Turnbull seems strangely unaware that Lebanon has been in a state of civil war for over 30 years, with tens of thousands of casualties.

  73. JC says:

    B John

    It doesn’t appear like a bad idea to segregate the various religious tribes in the region. Whatever comes after ISIS is does look like the Sunnis, Shia and the rest should live apart with decent fences separating them.

  74. Gab says:

    And Turnbull’s grand idea for his “negotiated” outcome is for ISIS to be given (presumably Sunni) parts of Syria and Iraq as their “state”.

    LOL turnbull, like Obama, thinks ISIS can be contained.

  75. JC says:

    Gab

    My interpretation of what he’s suggesting is that the Sunni enclave under ISIS should probably remain. I don’t believe turnbuckle is suggstinv we have a round table discussion with the murdering thugs.

  76. Rabz says:

    I don’t believe turnbuckle is suggsting we have a round table discussion with the murdering thugs.

    We’d leave that to the Aussie “peace delegation” we were discussing the other day.

  77. Gab says:

    People don’t get it. ISIS is not going to meekly remain anywhere the West decides it should. Their aim is a global caliphate and giving them a bit of land somewhere in the ME will not stop them from invading other lands.

  78. JC says:

    Lol

    The first one I’d send would be Bishop. She’s despicable.

  79. JC says:

    Cab

    Turnbuckle isn’t talking about ISIL greens coalition. I think he’s basically talking the area under its control and what happens after they’re gonesky. That’s a big assumption.
    I think it’s pretty clear that Iraq can’t remain the same and perhaps neither can Syria.

    The Sunnis in Iraq do have a point about how partisan the Shia government has been in Bagdad. They’re all scumbags save for the Christians and the devil worshipers.

    The Kurds are fucking communist FFS.

  80. JC says:

    Gab… Not cab.

  81. JC says:

    What is the ideal situation for people here.

    I get the issue about muzzos amongst us.

    But how do you solve the Mid East and does it even need solving?

    Look, I agree with despicable Bishop that Assad needs to stay. That’s pretty clear in my mind.

    But what else?

  82. See this: Outside The Box – Why Not Deliver To ISIS Their Apocalypse?

    If they want their apocalypse, they can have their apocalypse.

  83. Look, I agree with despicable Bishop that Assad needs to stay.

    Saddam-lite or ISIS. Easy choice.

  84. What odds for such a deal including the words “as long as you eat me last”?

  85. But how do you solve the Mid East and does it even need solving?

    Unfortunately this cancer now has the means to spread globally. It’s tentacles are already here. So, yes, it needs solving.

  86. Infidel Tiger says:

    But how do you solve the Mid East and does it even need solving?

    ISIS could be cured relatively quickly without even needing glow in the dark options. Just a matter of will.

    The Wahabbis are a bigger danger. The long term damage they have done in South East Asia is the biggest worry for us.

  87. JC says:

    Sure, but what’s the ideal solution for the Middle East. My view is that there should be enclaves which is ironic because that is what Israel is supposed to be about and the western left attempt to crucify them.

  88. JC says:

    But how do you solve it, beer… And what needs solving? In my mind the biggest problem the West has is the western left.

  89. I’ll just consult my crystal balls, JC.

  90. Makka says:

    Roosevelt: I like submariners. They don’t have time for any bullshit.

  91. Tal says:

    We should ask Bibi for advice

  92. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Chamberlain didn’t have the advantage of history when dealing with global fanatics. Turnbull does and he still managed to fuck it up.

    Good point.

    The jury is still out on whether Chamberlain could have fought in 1938 – for my money he couldn’t have. Turnbull, O’bama et all could, they are too afraid of “another Viet Nam” or what nasty things will be said about them on twitter.

  93. Ros says:

    agree Gab.

    I Don’t think he has any idea what he is talking about. His minions on the other hand have worked out his do deals with ISIS isn’t going down well. The reality is ISIS has control of the majority of the land mass of Syria. Then up the top is the bit the brave Kurds have rescued. And then there are the bits that other rebel forces, including other Islamist monsters like al Nusra control.

    If we took Turnbull at his word he is actually suggesting a pragmatic ceasefire with just a small part of Syria. Of course the idiot wasn’t. But allowing for that possibility, the great man causes a cease fire for a bit of Syria. The alawites maybe get some peace. Of course the Palestinians are still literally starving to death in their camp and Al Nusra has said rack off. The Kurds in the north are slaughtered by Turkey and ISIS therefore expands its territory to regain what they died for saving. Turkey happy, they can live with ISIS, after all they only blew up democrats and Kurds. Assad happy, business as usual, the Baathists of Iraq, the masters of ISIS, and he go on making money as usual, oil, drugs, even passports.

    And all through this bizarre fantasy of peace supported by Turnbull, and hence us, ISIS goes on killing both in Syria, and of course Iraq, and wherever else they can. Saddam’s monsters remain in control of a large part of 2 countries safe from attack because of a virtual ceasefire, all thanks to tne arrogant moron who is our PM.

    That he is just lying as he did with Grech is infuriating, that our media twists and turns to save him is horrendous.

    One bit of pleasure for the day, Obama had a snide shot at Abbott. He thinks so low of Turnbull he dressed him down. Loathe Obama, love that even a cognitively challenged narcissist like him can see what a waste of space Turnbull is.

    Who controls what in Syria. Levantine Group. Have to pan down for map, apologies

  94. Myrddin Seren says:

    Vlad Putin takes another opportunity afforded by the Syrian civil war to now give his strategic bomber crews some live fire practice, including getting some utility out of his old, Coal War era Tu-95 Bear bombers:

    Early in the morning on Nov. 17, the Russian Air Force launched 25 heavy bombers against ISIS ground targets in Syria.

    The aircraft, 5 x Tu-160 Blackjack, 6 x Tu-95MS Bear and 14 x Tu-22M3 Backfire bombers flew round trip missions from airbases in Russia to drop a variety of weapons: both air-launched cruise missiles, like the KH-555 whose remains were recovered in Syria, and free fall bombs, like those dropped by the Backfires, in the somehow old-fashioned carpet bombing (while being escorted by some Su-27s).

    Russian strategic bombers flying out of Russia to Syria and back. There must have been radars going off in countries all over the place.

    Vlad gets:

    More terrorists bombed ( I think we can all regret the inevitable collateral damage )

    Crews get a real-world operational work out

    Russia gets some actual utility out of strategic bombers, some of which are near-museum pieces

    Russia gets to watch the neighbouring countries’ air defence systems light up as his bomber flights head out ( potentially useful intel )

    and

    He completely owns the headspace of Obama and the rest of them chewing their knuckles about how to keep their domestic politics under control while trying to be seen to do something, but not everything, about ISIS.

    Love him or hate him – Vlad is messing with the hand wringers like crazy !

  95. Leo G says:

    Look, I agree with despicable Bishop that Assad needs to stay.

    Assad can only represent his “Twelver” Shi’ites (Alawis) and perhaps some of the remaining Christians- around 10% of the Syrian population.
    The demographics suggest Assad needs to go. Unless Syria’s Sunni can find somewhere else to live.

  96. Ros says:

    CHINA has vowed to bring to justice those responsible for executing one of its citizens after Islamic State said it had killed a Chinese captive, the only known Chinese hostage to have been held by the group.”

    Chinese citizens have been murdered in global hotspots before, usually engineers, an indication perhaps of how the world today is dividing and aligning. What if like Russia they are serious. And on the sidelines prattling on would be Obama and Europe. And because we changed PMs, Australia.

    Interesting times indeed. And we have Turnbull, who for our simple linear left luvvies dreaming of the seventies, offers the return of the dream times of the past.

  97. Ros says:

    Have been reading Rafe for a long time now. Never disappointed. Then there is Steve, never disappointed either. And Sinclair, he too has never disappointed. Which is why in the ludicrous world of Malcolm, ok, maybe unfair, well maybe not, we are confronted with the reality of the very dangerous PM, and Sinclairs opinion of what is emerging, and his sense of what it is interests me. Are you cross with us, busy, or just think it doesn’t matter. I think he is the most dangerous man ever to have been given power over Australians.

  98. Makka says:

    ” I think he is the most dangerous man ever to have been given power over Australians.”

    Malcolm’s minions and boosters are just as dangerous.

  99. cynical1 says:

    Love him or hate him – Vlad is messing with the hand wringers like crazy !
    ……

    The Choom gang were getting stoned.

    Vlad was KGB.

    It shows…

  100. Ros says:

    James didn’t get to what inspired you to question the role of the Nationals. But have similar concerns. Turnbull overseas, one, acting PM appointed, 2, global emergency, acting PM needed to lead, Bishop does, not acting PM.

    So what did we get. Bishop launching herself into global inner crowd explaining how we the citizens are pretty well under control and we all regret the deaths of assorted Parisians.

    And the actual Acting PM, haven’t heard a single word. Bishop still being boss of Australia in Turnbull’s absence, though interestingly she appears be developing a bit of fear of Turnbull.

    He has done a captain’s pick on the conventions of the Liberal and National parties on how they manage emergencies and transmissions of power. Turnbull has got rid of Nationals and made deputy Leader of Liberal Party Deputy, Bishop, Acting Prime Minister rather than Truss, , and no one has questioned let alone challenged.

  101. Caveman says:

    Turnbull is a fukn knob. Hes more pissed that these recent events have interfered with the climate change conference.
    TA back as PM by christmas. And Putin puts a broom through the ME as a merry Christmas present.

  102. . says:

    Infidel Tiger
    #1861044, posted on November 19, 2015 at 1:25 pm
    The FSA is ISIS.

    Not this shit again.

    Dot you have been so beclowned trying to argue this isn’t the case that your clown college now refuses to acknowledge you even attended there.

    No. It is shit.

    Believe years old crap from theirs rate right wing crackpot “citizen journalists” if you wish.

  103. candy says:

    Turnbull has got rid of Nationals and made deputy Leader of Liberal Party Deputy, Bishop, Acting Prime Minister rather than Truss, , and no one has questioned let alone challenged.

    Ros, M. Turnbull has done deals in the weeks and months beforehand including with Truss and Joyce. You’ve got to admit that TA was facing a difficult election and these dudes just wanted to retain their share of power.

    I think at some stage M. Turnbull’s wheeling and dealings will come unstuck but not in the near future.

    I don’t understand his popularity so there must be something wrong with me, I think. He’s a snake and lets his ministers handle anything difficult so as for it not to touch him. But there, the people love him. We can’t argue with that fact. I don’t like him and find it difficult to find a “rapport” with his personality.

  104. mizaris says:

    Dear Turncoat
    You don’t have the smarts or the balls.
    Fvck off.

    BRING BACK TONY. At least he called all of this totally 100% correctly.

  105. . says:

    .
    #1861489, posted on November 19, 2015 at 8:43 pm
    Infidel Tiger
    #1861044, posted on November 19, 2015 at 1:25 pm
    The FSA is ISIS.

    Not this shit again.

    Dot you have been so beclowned trying to argue this isn’t the case that your clown college now refuses to acknowledge you even attended there.

    No. It is shit.

    Believe years old crap from theirs rate right wing crackpot “citizen journalists” if you wish.

    I looked into this some more. Hey. I’m right. Again.

    Unfortunately I had to read some bilge I swore off. But follow my argument. FSA cannot possibly be part of ISIS.

    If Russian Toady declares that the FSA is fighting ISIS but they are upset that the FSA won’t come to the peace talks with Assad because they’d really like FSA humint to benefit both parties (FSA and Russia) in as far as making Russian air strikes against ISIS more effective…

    Why would Russia want to be allies with an (allegedly and falsely accused) ISIS ally to bomb the kee-rist out of ISIS?

    This comes from the Russian government influenced RT.

    You’d have to be insane to think Putin considers this a strategy. It makes as much sense as bombing Archangel to or Vladivostok in support of the Russian Navy.

    FSA is not ISIS.

    FFS.

  106. But how do you solve the Mid East and does it even need solving?

    JC, that’s because a lot of people think of Islam as a religion equal to other religions. It is not. It is a contagion, and it should be kept isolated by fences, sea forces and other quarantine methods until it burns itself out.
    We’ll have to do it someday, why not now?

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