Feeling the heat at Yackendanda. Pity about the temperature records

Campbell Klose, warming consultant and Guardian writer, making capital out of the Victorian bushfires tells us that the effects of climate change are being felt right now and it is having real impacts on Australians and people all across the world. However the on the ground temperature records in the district shown no warming at all over the last century.

The region around Yackendanda hasn’t had much warming, or even possibly, any warming.

Yackendandah is 37 km away from Rutherglen, where the annual mean maximum is not that different now to what it was 100 years ago. In mean temperatures, the raw data showed a slight cooling trend, which was similar in neighbours like Deniliquin.

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48 Responses to Feeling the heat at Yackendanda. Pity about the temperature records

  1. herodotus

    This is not far from where Brown Bros. of Milawa have been making wine for a long time. But I read recently some alarmist b/s about them buying acres in Tasmania because of climate change.

  2. Myrddin Seren

    Cold, wet and miserable here in upper Sin City.

    Nearest reporting point.

    I blame Tony Abbott.

  3. Stackja

    Drought and flooding rains.

  4. outsider

    It’s one of the coldest temperatures ever recorded in Colorado, and a tie for the coldest temperature at this particular weather station! On the morning of December 17 the thermometer at Antero Reservoir dropped to an astounding -51°F.
    The last time that happened was on Feb. 8, 1989.

  5. This is why I believe that institutions such as the BoM, who don’t hold data that is defence sensitive, should be made to release that data in raw format for citizens to download, along with any data “homogenised” by them. There is enough data storage room in private hands to make this easy.
    Why?
    Because governments lie and over the AGW saga, have proven themselves untrustworthy.

  6. Hydra

    My grandparents were born in Yack. Good beef country.

    Herodotus -more likely they bought in Tassie to make a different type of wine more suited to a cooler climate. The alarmists never stop.

  7. kevin

    Where will they go when Tasmania gets too hot?

  8. egg_

    As satellite data is difficult to manipulate, AWS can be placed in heat island effect locations, as has been documented, even in the NOAA’s reference grid, politicisation of not only the climate but the weather.

  9. egg_

    It’s one of the coldest temperatures ever recorded in Colorado, and a tie for the coldest temperature at this particular weather station! On the morning of December 17 the thermometer at Antero Reservoir dropped to an astounding -51°F.

    I’ll bet that the absolute humidity was at an almighty low, too.

  10. Infidel Tiger

    Rutherglen is home to some of the best fortified wines on earth because of the heat. Let’s pray it doesn’t cool too much.

  11. H B Bear

    Yackendandah is 37 km away from Rutherglen, where the annual mean maximum is not that different now to what it was 100 years ago

    .

    The BOM can fix that.

  12. wazsah

    Station: Yackandandah Number: 82058 has recorded rainfall since the 1880’s
    http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_nccObsCode=139&p_display_type=dataFile&p_startYear=&p_c=&p_stn_num=082058
    but I am not aware of temperature readings at that site.
    The closest “complete” long term temperature data would be –
    Station: Rutherglen Research Number: 82039.
    For interest go to http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/data/
    From the top – choose Select using text –
    Choose Temperature, monthly button –
    Mean max temperature –
    Type in Beechworth –
    Select Beechworth –
    Untick button – Only show open stations – so you see closed stations too –
    If you highlight any station in list below (Rutherglen Research is there) –
    a light brown pictorial comes up indicating the length of data available.
    Lets you see how patchy our monthly data is.
    Back to the article. I have not find an article quoting Mr Cambell Klose on climate issues – but here is him proudly recounting exploits from the 2013 Fed Election campaign.
    Hipsters help Cathy McGowan beat Sophie Mirabella in rural seat of Indi
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/hipsters-help-cathy-mcgowan-beat-sophie-mirabella-in-rural-seat-of-indi/story-fni0fit3-1226724477760
    If anybody posts anything of substance on Yackandandah climate history I would be interested.

  13. Bruce of Newcastle

    The warmies will be distraught since it looks like el Nino has broken:

    The Super-Collapsing El Niño! …NCEP CFSv2 N. Hemisphere Surface Temps Plummet 1°C In A Single Week!

    As you can see from the 1998 and 2010 el Ninos the global temperature tends to crash afterwards. So that will mean the flat least squares trend will extend rapidly past 19 years.

    What is quite interesting is in the satellite temperature data (2nd link) the 2015 el Nino is not as big as even 2010 in the temperature data. This is because the Pacific Ocean equatorial temperatures were offset by very cold South Pacific temperatures. It was coincidental that the PDO peaked in about 2000, then the 2010 el Nino happened, then the AMO peaked, then the solar cycle peaked in about 2014, then the 2015 el Nino happened. All those peaks I think have served to hold global temperatures up. Now that all of them have swung down together the warmies may be in for a real shock.

  14. JohnA

    Well, of course it’s all fiction.

    The reporter can’t even spell the town’s name correctly, so how did he find the temperature record?

    There is no “e” anywhere in the name…

    Oh, but don’t show him any of Ken Maynard’s Ettamogah Pub “Ned & His Neddy” cartoons, because KM always depicted the crows flying around with boots on – because the tin roofs (or rooves if you wish) were always too hot!
    🙂

  15. JohnA

    Bruce, is that article REALLY saying that temps have dropped a WHOLE ONE DEGREE?

    Argh! We’re heading for a new Ice Age.

    That means they will need more heating oil in the North Americas, and more gas for Europe. Damn, that must mean our fuel prices are going to go up again.

    I will be watching the prices, and as soon as I see them jump, I can blame it on Global Cooling/Climate Change, right?

    /sarc

  16. Leo G

    As satellite data is difficult to manipulate, AWS can be placed in heat island effect locations, as has been documented, even in the NOAA’s reference grid, politicisation of not only the climate but the weather.

    Weather station temperature readings are markedly affected by changes in subsurface drainage. Surface evaporation convects thermal energy away from the surface in water vapour and dew intercepts infrared radiated from the ground. Even grass height makes a difference.

  17. And Another Thing

    I’m sure that if the earth isn’t warming or cooling we’ll have a same-temperature crisis that will cost billions to fix. Maybe the historic data can be massaged again.

  18. wazsah

    Can the link – “no warming at all” in this article be repaired please – it goes nowhere.

  19. yackman

    It is Yackandandah not Yackendandah.

  20. Struth

    In the catastrophic region I am in today, it is very catastrophic.
    The catastrophic warnings are dire and we could see catastrophic temperatures in excess of the dire catastrophic warnings and that would be catastrophic.
    The terrible catastrophic outcomes to this severe event, could be a disaster for the region as it expected that in an Australian summer, it may reach a catastrophic 32 degrees for many hours making it a severe event.
    This has never happened on this day before.
    It is to say catastrophic.
    Before the impending doom that you all will experience with this catastrophic global warming, we will be passing around with the plate, please donate the amount that you must donate by law, and pray that the public servant gods of the enlightened one, praise be to Malcom,……can keep this catastrophic dire event to a minimum, by ridding the world of cash.
    If that doesn’t work, we will then look for the sacrifices.

  21. yackman

    The rain saved the day.
    Conditions were not as bad as Feb 09, but sufficient to have the pumps tested, the hoses out, gutters blocked and filled and house sprinkler systems run and ready. Last summer not a day over 40 C I recall.

  22. Ant

    Black is white. Up is down. Wrong is right. Slavery is freedom!

  23. Tom

    The correct spelling is Cambell Klose. He’s an RMIT J-school graduate and far-left loon who was one of that pack of Melbourne-based swampies that ran the fraudulent campaign to get Cathy McGowan elected (complete with Melbourne ring-ins on the electoral roll) in Indi as an “independent” National Party type when, in fact, she and her boosters are actually Greenfilth extremists — the greatest act of political bastardry and deceit in a bush electorate in the past 20 years. He’s one of the post-modern wave of J-school grads who have destroyed the credibility of journalism as there’s no lie they won’t tell for a political cause — totally unethical and totally untrustworthy.

  24. We t through Yack once it was like oing back to the 1930 s ,gret to see what a town really looked like in those days . Its a bit like Tilba Tilba in NSW south coast,and Delegate on the Monaro lastvtime I was there it hadnt seen a Painter since 1939 ,by the look of it. Yackandandah by cotrast had seen a lot .

  25. Tom

    I forgot to mention Klose is currently the PR flak for Greenfilth senator Robert Sims. If you’re a political junkie, you will have noticed “independent” Cathy McGowan almost always votes against the LNP government and very often, if not always, with the Greens.

  26. Rayvic

    Outsider:
    “It’s one of the coldest temperatures ever recorded in Colorado, and a tie for the coldest temperature at this particular weather station! On the morning of December 17 the thermometer at Antero Reservoir dropped to an astounding -51°F.
    The last time that happened was on Feb. 8, 1989.”

    You could do with the Australian BOM putting your records through its homogenisation process. Your recent temperatures then would not be as cold — guaranteed.

  27. duncanm

    The same evidence can be found at just about any remote station in Australia.

    The BOM seems to put way too much weight on metropolitan stations.. or something more sinister.

  28. Empire

    Klose sports the classic filthy beta leftoid look.

    He is a candidate for the first batch of interns at the Royal Maralinga Banishment Reserve.

  29. sfw

    At the end of last summer the local paper ‘Border Mail’ had headlines proclaiming it was the hottest summer on record. They failed to say that was since the weather stats had been moved to Albury Airport sometime in the recent past. They failed to look at the entire record for Albury which goes back to the 1800’s. Liars the lot of them. It is a Fairfax paper.

  30. yackman

    Yack is a great place to live but does have a Green tinge. around 23% primary at recent elections.
    re wine producers, the best of the red non fortifieds are from around Beechworth, Castagna in particular.
    Rutherglen is considerably hotter and drier than Yack and as stated earlier has excellent fortifieds. Stanton & Killeen for VP.

  31. Rafe Champion

    Link and Yack spelling fixed. Sorry, out all day.

  32. gary

    I looked at the GHCN temperature data in 2007 and Hawkesbury Ag College at Richmond west of Sydney showed a warming trend of 0.1deg C per year. Sydney had warming of 1 deg c per year. This prompted me to look at all rural stations in Australia and there was a warming trend of 0.03deg C per year (i.e. none) but the urban stations in Australia had a warming trend of 2.2deg per year. Seemed to me that the warming trend was just urban heat island effect.

  33. Linden

    Yep old Mick Morris himself was a great bloke and character. It make me wonder what many of those old now gone quintessential Australian bush characters would think of all the nonsense going on today?

  34. Tel

    Sydney had warming of 1 deg c per year.

    No way! Maybe per century you mean?

  35. Squirrel

    Interestingly, the same people who seemingly delight in drawing connections between “climate change” and bushfires are somewhat less enthusiastic about fuel load reduction.

  36. Peter

    I grew up in Chiltern and will be there for Christmas. Halfway between Rutherglen and Yackandandah (note the a in Yack). The temperature trend feels just right Goldlocks.

  37. Titch

    I doubt that people living in Deniliquin see Rutherglen as a close neighbour, it is over the border into NSW and well into a true Riverina Mediterranean climate area. In fact, it is 160+ Kms away. Yackandandah is even further to the East of Rutherglen, 218 Kms . Yack is on the lower levels of the high country, and Rutherglen is Murray Riverland country.
    Pity the expert reporter for the Guardian can’t read a map, nor can they check their spelling, I gather. Doesn’t give your article much credence if you can’t get the basics right to start with. Needs to try harder, me thinks.

  38. Geriatric Mayfly

    Yackandandah pie shop. Yum!! An itinerant’s once a year treat.

  39. Linden

    Funny thing about fuel reductions burns, the greenies claim that it does not prevent bush fires, go figure, it takes three things to start and maintain a fire, a fuel source heat and oxygen, remove any one of the three and you cease to have a fire. Therefore it stands to common sense that fuel reduction burning off would have a massive effect on a fire, less fuel less heat less intensity of the fire overall. The aborigines of long gone were always burning off, and naturally when lightening strikes started fires well they would of have just burnt until they burnt out. The early explores settlers reported how clean and clear the forests were; not chocked up the years of accumulated vegetation, so that when it catches fire causes such devastating consequences. I grew up in north east Victoria and I can remember the old Forestry department were always burning, they don’t it like that any more.

  40. Kool

    I live in Yackandandah. Sunday was a nasty day and any fire was sure to cause grief. Fortunately as Yackman said, the wind change and rain saved us. Plenty of damage was done through the Indigo Valley sadly. Years ago I wondered what all the Global Warming talk was about so found the nearest official station (Rutherglen Research) and downloaded data back to 1890. I plotted it in excel and asked for a trend line. A flatter horizontal you will never see. From that day forth I have maintained a healthy scepticism in all things journalistic, political and scientific. From that perspective everything since has seemed like a chapter of Alice in Wonderland.

  41. gigdiary

    This post should be attributed to Jo Nova. It’s a cut’n’paste from her site, without any additional information or even a hat tip.

  42. Annie A

    Hello Linden, just wondering… I used to work with a Linden in Rutherglen during the early 1990’s. Could that be you? R and D ? My surname was Slate. Regardless, Merry Christmas to you and your Family,
    Cheers (Liz) Annie.

  43. Linden

    No sorry Liz, Mansfield is where I grew up, -:) One time I had to deliver some machinery to Morris’s winery from Adelaide and arrived there on a Sunday, and old Mick told me seeing as my weekend was ‘stuffed’ I had better go down into the cellar and find myself something, the bottle of port I picked out was a beauty! thanks for the thought,,,

  44. herodotus

    Yes, Yackman. There is a threatened species I’m concerned about: Vintage Port.
    Stanton & Killeen do a very good one. There may be others, but they’re harder to find than they used to be.

  45. herodotus

    Years ago I wondered what all the Global Warming talk was about so found the nearest official station (Rutherglen Research) and downloaded data back to 1890. I plotted it in excel and asked for a trend line. A flatter horizontal you will never see. From that day forth I have maintained a healthy scepticism in all things journalistic, political and scientific. From that perspective everything since has seemed like a chapter of Alice in Wonderland.

    BoM will be after that one!

  46. Bruce of Newcastle

    This post should be attributed to Jo Nova. It’s a cut’n’paste from her site, without any additional information or even a hat tip.

    That’s why Rafe linked her article.

    I dimly recall some years ago quite a few posts on Rutherglen by Jo, both on the Stevenson screen siting and the issues with UHIE. I think I could find them if needed.

  47. LOVO

    *SIGH* ….. have a great Xmas ‘ya all’ and keep on chew’n that cherry pick’n cud….. after all; it’s Xmas 🙂
    One wonders how many of you Catallaxy-ians are ‘dream’n of an White Xmas’ (*winks* @ Egg)….. ( though it’s not so white in some parts of the U.S. at the ‘mo’, ay!!!! … sumtin’ aboot da heat…AY, Cobba’s!!!!!!)
    Discuss!

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