We are angry too and not for the reason you think

Last weekend Kelly O’Dwyer sent out an email to her constituents:

Small business people are angry. Mums and dads are angry. And I’m angry.

Nothing makes fair-minded Australian taxpayers angrier than others not doing the right thing and not paying their fair share.

Too many multinational companies have avoided Australian tax for too long.

But things are changing.

We’ve made real progress in cracking down on multinational tax avoidance by strengthening our laws and doubling penalties for large companies. We’re leading the fight internationally with unprecedented information sharing.

And importantly, we’ve given the ATO the powers and resources it needs to go after the tax cheats.

But I’m still angry and you should be too. While Labor talks about collecting more tax from multinationals, they recently voted to let multinationals off the hook by voting against our new laws.

If we wanted high taxes and the politics of envy, stupidity, and resentment we could have stuck with Wayne Swan and friends. Rather than introducing new taxes on multinationals, the Liberal government should be cutting taxes for Australians.

The fact is that the federal government can either cut entrepreneurship and risk taking, or it can cut welfare. Why a Liberal government chooses to cut entrepreneurship and risk taking when welfare recipients don’t vote Liberal is a question many Liberal voters are pondering.

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84 Responses to We are angry too and not for the reason you think

  1. Infidel Tiger

    Clueless.

    How in God’s name was she ever considered a rising star?

  2. Roger

    when welfare recipients don’t vote Liberal

    I should think very many aged pensioners vote Liberal, Sinclair.

    Be that as it may, good policy is not founded upon the prospect of electoral backlashes but on what is right for the country. And the role of the Prime Minister and his cabinet is to educate and persuade.

    Neither major party appears to have a grasp of that at the moment.

  3. JC

    Has O’Dwyer morphed into Sam Dastyari?

  4. JC

    Neither major party appears to have a grasp of that at the moment.

    Sure they’re good at trying. Both parties are great at peddling swill. But you can’t put lipstick on a pig. It’s still a pig.

  5. Gab

    Too many multinational companies have avoided Australian tax for too long.

    Bulldust. If they’ve done something illegal then fine then under the law.

    This is just a mealy-mouthed excuse to jump on the bandwagon and tax the living daylights out of multinationals – most of which were lured here via tax concession inducements by government in the first place.

    Say farewell to multinationals in Australia. It was fun while it lasted.

  6. And importantly, we’ve given the ATO the powers and resources it needs to go after the tax cheats.

    Listen closely you stupid fucking bint, companies will pay only the tax they need to, in accordance with the laws as they exist at this time.

    They are not cheating on anything you mouth breathing cretin.

  7. Baldrick

    Kelly O’Dwyer – everything that’s wrong with the current Liberal Party.

  8. egg_

    Kelly O’Dwyer – everything that’s wrong with the current Liberal Party.

    +1

    Ties herself in knots on Q&A.

  9. Tel

    Nothing makes fair-minded Australian taxpayers angrier than others not doing the right thing and not paying their fair share.

    Naaaa, thinking of the crap it gets spent on is what really makes fair-minded Australian taxpayers go livid.

  10. Tel

    We’ve made real progress in cracking down on multinational tax avoidance by strengthening our laws and doubling penalties for large companies. We’re leading the fight internationally with unprecedented information sharing.

    And importantly, we’ve given the ATO the powers and resources it needs to go after the tax cheats.

    Apple should just shrug and close their stores in Australia. They could sell just as much through online retailers and bundled with telco plans. I’d love to see it happen.

  11. indigo

    Never mind about the multinationals, what about the 40 odd percent of Australians that don’t pay tax?

  12. Joe

    Be that as it may, good policy is not founded upon the prospect of electoral backlashes but on what is right for the country. And the role of the Prime Minister and his cabinet is to educate and persuade.

    Neither major party appears to have a grasp of that at the moment.

    Both parties have a perfect handle on what works in a democracy. Hint: It’s the reason Tony Abbott was axed.
    The ONLY thing that works in a democracy are bribes – of one form or another.

  13. aussiepundit

    I’m not “angry” that multinationals should pay more tax.

    That would make me a xenophobic, jingoistic, class-warfare socialist.

  14. Struth

    There’s a lot of things making me angrier you stupid bitch.
    Guess?

  15. ar

    I’m angry that I pay too much tax, not that others pay too little.

  16. I’m angry that I pay too much tax, not that others pay too little.

    +1

  17. Sinclair Davidson

    Now peeps – please tone down the personal abuse. Kelly is one of the better people around.

  18. I’m angry that I pay too much tax, not that others pay too little.

    I don’t pay tax, apart from VAT & prefecture taxes.

  19. Lem

    Stupid is as stupid does, but with the race to the bottom in ever decreasing circles of policy agreement between “right” and “left” I guess that means an election is in the offing.

  20. .

    Small business people are angry. Mums and dads are angry. And I’m angry.

    Nothing makes fair-minded Australian taxpayers angrier than others not doing the right thing and not paying their fair share.

    Too many multinational companies have avoided Australian tax for too long.

    You call the above abuse Sinclair? If you can’t take this, how can you take the abuse on a sit!

  21. Sinclair Davidson

    I think calling Kelly “stupid bitch” and “bint” is OTT.

    how can you take the abuse on a sit!

    ???

  22. Infidel Tiger

    I will give Kelly the benefit of the doubt and diagnose her with Stockholm Syndrome instead.

  23. Infidel Tiger

    You must understand Sinc, these are very innovative, agile and trying times.

  24. Rabz

    And I’m angry

    Not as angry as I am that mediocrities such as you are blighting legislatures across this land.

    I’m even angrier that the liberals have been overrun by leftist imbeciles.

    And even angrier still that I have effectively disenfranchised as a result.

  25. Rabz

    have effectively been disenfranchised as a result…

    FFS, these typos are driving me nuts.

  26. candy

    Small business people are angry. Mums and dads are angry. And I’m angry.

    This is simply Ms O’Dwyer saying vote for M.Turnbull so I keep my job.

    Labor have taken the lead on tax matters. No GST, and looking at taxing multinationals etc and changes to negative gearing. All things that appeal to the general public.

  27. I am the Walras, Equilibrate and Price Take

    The fact is that the federal government can either cut entrepreneurship and risk taking, or it can cut welfare. Why a Liberal government chooses to cut entrepreneurship and risk taking when welfare recipients don’t vote Liberal is a question many Liberal voters are pondering.

    They’re competing for the centre.

    Welfare has created and is intensifying a Welfare Mind-Set which is moving the centre to the left.

    ‘Liberals’ like O’Dwyer are only smart enough to locate the centre. They have neither the brains nor the courage to pull the centre back to the right.

    Demographic change and the saturation of household budgets with debt mean that it just gets harder from here. The fight over increasing taxes has just started – it will last another thirty years.

    We are so screwed.

  28. The Pugilist

    You can see why the kiwis are returning home in droves. If that’s not a warning bell, nothing is going to save these idiots.

  29. Bruce

    Sigh. And if Kelly is a rising star, what does this tell us about the other P platers. Sigh again.

  30. Sinclair Davidson

    You must understand Sinc, these are very innovative, agile and trying times.

    I shouldn’t complain really. If we didn’t have rubbish governments making appalling policy choices that need refuting I’d have to get a proper job.

  31. I shouldn’t complain really. If we didn’t have rubbish governments … I’d have to get a proper job.

    Spoken like a real public servant!

  32. The Pugilist

    The curious task of economics, something something, farkin idiots think they can design.

    Some Austrian bloke…

  33. Rob

    Sinc,
    We got the government that you wanted. They were meant to be Agile but they have turned out to be Fragile. They seem to fail fast, fail often and fail everywhere. I am not sure that fast failure is the best path for the country.

    Alternatively Bill, can text – though he doesn’t seem to be able to drive, and will take the country to an even greater level of failure.

  34. Sinclair Davidson

    We got the government that you wanted.

    Slander. 🙂

    We now have a run of the mill rubbish Liberal government as opposed to a truly rubbish Liberal government.

  35. Combine Dave

    Now peeps – please tone down the personal abuse. Kelly is one of the better people around.

    Another Turnbullian?

    I shouldn’t complain really. If we didn’t have rubbish governments making appalling policy choices that need refuting I’d have to get a proper job.

    Touche’. If only he’d give a few more billions to the states. We could use the, ahem, innovation.

  36. Combine Dave

    Slander. 🙂

    We now have a run of the mill rubbish Liberal government as opposed to a truly rubbish Liberal government.

    Quite so.

    Those taxes wont raise themselves you know.

  37. jupes

    And importantly, we’ve given the ATO the powers and resources it needs to go after the tax cheats.

    I’d like to see the multinationals use their resources to sue Kelly for slander.

  38. Stimpson J. Cat

    We now have a run of the mill rubbish Liberal government as opposed to a truly rubbish Liberal government.

    Yes but who would you rather see in a mankini, Tony or Malcolm?

  39. Slayer of Memes

    How in God’s name was she ever considered a rising star?

    Compare and contrast to the rest of her collegues…

  40. I think calling Kelly “stupid bitch” and “bint” is OTT.

    Oh please, my grandfather used to use that term (bint).

    OTT is what Bolt, Pell, Abbott666, Albrechtson, Panahi et al have been called by the left wing howler monkeys

  41. Leigh Lowe

    Aha, Carpe, there you are!

    Sorry, off topic, but we have been thinking about visiting Japan next blossom season (2017, I mean).
    We are not nightclubbers or interested in really big cities for most of the trip, but would consider Tokyo for 3-4 days (or not).
    We have very little Japanese language except for “gyoza”, “Toyota”, “sushi”, and “sayonara”.
    Thinking maybe Kyoto.
    Total time 3-4 weeks.
    Would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions.

  42. Leigh Lowe

    We now have a run of the mill rubbish Liberal government as opposed to a truly rubbish Liberal government.

    But at least they’re too paralysed by fear to raise taxes, eh Sinc … or cut spending … or reduce regulation … or tie their own shoelaces … or …

  43. Leigh Lowe

    Quite so.

    Those taxes wont raise themselves you know.

    … and tonight, we’d like to present Perfesser Davidson with a special award which can be worn around his neck with pride.
    Come forward Perfesser and collect your albatross.

  44. Baldrick

    Too many multinational companies have avoided Australian tax for too long.

    Yeah and let’s not forget the Government’s other tax grab measure of lowering the $1,000 GST threshold for purchased overseas goods online.
    Cockheads.

  45. Mark

    They have lost my vote! Not one of them deserves re-election….class warfare and the politics of envy????

  46. Goanna

    Malvern. It could so easily turn Green.
    What should Kelly do?

  47. John Constantine

    That is just the tone required to get across a message that preserves a few.seats in their senate.

  48. Aaron

    Kelly is one of the better people around.

    Better as in, “if you meet her in person, you’ll love her”? They used to say that about Gillard too. I’m assuming you are referring to her personality because her appearances thus far in the parliament and in policy development thus far leave much to be desired. I look forward to the day when she can answer a question without trembling like a leaf as she clutches her prepared notes loaded with faux outrage and cliches.

  49. cynical1

    Packer dealt with this years ago.

    Anybody who pays one more cent than legally necessary is a moron.

    “You people don’t use it wisely enough” or similar were Packer’s words.

    Nothing’s changed…

  50. Thre Fingers Docherty

    “You people don’t use it wisely enough” or similar were Packer’s words.

    “I pay what I’m required to pay, not a penny more, not a penny less. If anybody in this country doesn’t minimize their tax they want their heads read because, as a Government, I can tell you you’re not spending it that well that we should be donating extra.?”

  51. Old School Conservative

    Too many multinational companies have avoided Australian tax for too long.

    Did Kelly’s email name the multinationals who have been avoiding tax? That would lead to interesting times.

  52. entropy

    Kelly is one of the better people around.

    Right, so when she said this:

    And importantly, we’ve given the ATO the powers and resources it needs to go after the tax cheats.

    she wasn’t lying, she was just being ‘better’.

    How in God’s name was she ever considered a rising star?

    What a disappointment she has proved.

    I actually had this argument with someone at work today. He reckons we should tax corporations more. So he would be taxed less of course. And baggage from when his small business went broke due to competition, but I digress.

    I observed what would happen if a multinational started having a special, novel tax applied. They would leave. To get their product, you would have to rely on an importer, who of course would have to pay the same wholesale price the multinational subsidiary is currently paying. Net result to tax would be zero. Actually it would be worse because the multinational would not give a rats about our piddly little market anymore. The Australian backwater would no longer factor into their product development one iota. Net result, probably less sales in Australia, less tax revenue. Less quality of product for the poor old consumer.

    The problem is that the modern politician is a professional. They know nothing outside the bubble. Their little circle jerk convinces them that this sort of nonsense is a good idea, not because they believe it, and I strongly doubt Ms O’Dwyer believes it, but because these so superior types believe the poor dumb proles will believe it. And the country is the worse for it.

  53. entropy

    As I think a bit more, O’Dwyer might not have seen that drivel before it went out. It looks like it was written by some weedy little poli sci/law graduate wanker in the corner of a minister’s office with the correct hipster look, political ambitions for a safe seat and the brains of an irish setter.

  54. H B Bear

    How in God’s name was she ever considered a rising star?

    I think I may have made that mistake in the past. Maybe a Costello halo-effect?

    To think we could now be in the 3rd term of a Costello led government if Howard hadn’t screwed things up so royally.

  55. Robber Baron

    I think it is abundantly clear that Kelly O’Dwyer and her ilk are the wrong people to represent us. Nothing less than a complete wipe-out of all of the current MPs will set Australia back on the right track.

  56. “You people don’t use it wisely enough” or similar were Packer’s words.

    “You lot aren’t that good a job spending it that I should pay extra” or something along those lines.

  57. feelthebern

    Now peeps – please tone down the personal abuse.

    Sinc talking like Kanye?
    Winter is coming.

  58. Fidel

    Anyone using the term “tax avoidance” which is legal and “tax cheats” in the same breath is without doubt fully deserving of any of the above alleged insults.

  59. Nic

    Leigh, 3 to 4 weeks is heaps for Japan. I defer to Carpe San, but am happy to offer some suggestions, particularly Tokyo in regards to areas to stay, visit, hotels etc. Perhaps consider getting a rail pass, places such as Osaka, Kyoto, Nara, Kobe, Himeji, etc are all doable within a certain radius by rail. The time of year you go also make places such as Hokkaido more, or less attractive.

  60. Terry

    is a question many Ex-Liberal voters are pondering.

  61. kraka

    Sinc “We now have a run of the mill rubbish Liberal government as opposed to a truly rubbish Liberal government.”. That is as truly a pathetic defence of Turnbull as I have read or heard anywhere. It is like saying Turnbull is crap (which he is) but he is better than Shorten (true but lea and less true each passing day). A vote for Turnbull is a vote for mediocrity as is a vote for Shorten. Turnbull has proven to be the most solid argument for non compulsory voting as Australia is ever likely to have.

  62. Struth

    Sorry, I left out gutless, clueless, and full of shit.
    A disgraceful stupid bitch.
    Sorry Doom lord, but that is how I feel.
    The liberals are a disgrace and need to have this anger directed at them as much as possible.
    You really ask me to be polite to those who are traitors to their electorate?
    To those who advertise themselves as one thing before an election and then stomp on their supporters heads?
    No.
    Stupid bitch gives her an out, actually.
    Because stupidity is forgivable.
    She’s actually worse than that.

  63. Leigh Lowe

    Thanks Nic.
    All suggestions welcome.

  64. Rabz

    … and tonight, we’d like to present Perfesser Davidson with a special award which can be worn around his neck with pride.
    Come forward Perfesser and collect your albatross.

    I’d like to see him awarded a Fellowship in taxation and public expenditure policy with the Turnbull United Republican Democrat Party’s Policy Research and Global Innovation Think Tank based in Ultimo.

  65. Leigh Lowe

    cynical1
    #1950267, posted on February 18, 2016 at 11:25 pm
    Packer dealt with this years ago.

    Anybody who pays one more cent than legally necessary is a moron.

    See link below.
    Towards the end he delivers his famous smack on taxation.
    Interesting, though, that the early parts of the clip deal with a purchase of Fewfacts.
    The good Labor Senators were trying to save Fewfacts from Kerry making a massive investment.
    How did that go?

    http://youtu.be/-WTfoT_y-BQ

  66. Mr Skeletor

    We now have a run of the mill rubbish Liberal government as opposed to a truly rubbish Liberal government.

    You have to be fucking joking Sinc.

    So far Morrison is making Staples look like he was the king of wall street.
    Turnbull’s greatest achievement so far is combing his hair.
    Every minister of this government is performing far worse than under Abbott – Julie Bishop anyone?

    The only thing the coup proved was that Peter Credlin should be granted an order of Australia for being able to hide these fuckwits from their fuckwittery for so long.

    You backed the wrong horse Sinclair. You can lie to us but you can’t lie to yourself.

  67. gbees

    Multinationals have not been doing anything illegally. they’ve been minimising taxes for decades legally. In fact a company I worked for back in the 80’s was visited by Labor govt. reps at the time to discuss our international transfer pricing arrangements with our parent. Theses arrangements were all signed off by that govt. Increasing costs on multinationals will see a shift offshore of their businesses and a corresponding transfer of jobs out of Australia. Australia’s tax system needs to be competitive internationally to attract companies, not deter them. Politicians have no idea how the real world works because they haven’t worked in the real world.

  68. Rayvic

    “We’ve made real progress in cracking down on multinational tax avoidance by strengthening our laws and doubling penalties for large companies. We’re leading the fight internationally with unprecedented information sharing.”

    But what financial impact will that have on future Budgets?

    “How in God’s name was she ever considered a rising star?”

    Many are taken in by her ranting and raving, it appears.

  69. dauphin

    Everyday people interested in outcomes for the country just get more depressed. Austrian politics seems to be just a ego trip and play thing for rich guys and union reps…both of which can recite the ‘values’ of their parties but seem incapable of putting any into action. Three basic example (from both ‘progressive’ labor parties…little Bill’s and Mals):

    1. fair taxation means ripping even more from the minority who already pay most
    2. supporting workers by turning a blind eye to unions who rip off workers in the (not so)vain hope of getting preselected to labor
    3. gotta be seen to think climate change is the biggest issue in the world (energy gets people out of poverty i’d have thought)

    Abbott should have been good but just wanted the media et to love him (silly bugger) and it looks like Mal is more like Kev and Juia than a real leader…seems he only was good at planning to be PM.

    When, oh when, will we get a sane and rational leader who will bypass the feel good and self congratulating fools in the media and call their bluff. America has one who calls the media out and seems to be doing well, and the silent majority of australians have different values to what the media provides…they just seem too disenchanted with all politicians sadly to bother to read and think. Sadly, the american guy is high risk and not so stable

    Oh dear, to be young, ignorant and just enjoying it while it lasts…but the people under 30 are really going to have a tough period paying back all the stupidity and greed of their elders

  70. Andrew

    10 years ago not even the Labor bothered with this ‘the multinationals don’t pay their fair share’. Now it is is bipartisan policy.

  71. dan

    Sinc, our corporate and personal tax rates are ludicrously high. These companies are paying tax, just in countries that have some kind of clue like Singapore, so they don’t pay much. My understanding is that Singapore raises as much tax per capita as we do despite low or zero rates in many cases.

    YOu say that she is one of the “better” people. Someone who puts their name to something like this is basically a communist who has no understanding at all of the purpose of economic activity. I mean, an absolutely zero insight into the basis of market economics. We need to attract as many of these multinationals here as possible. Then we need to charge the lowest income taxes possible on their employees and allow the resulting activity to encourage construction, services, visits to cafes, travel activity and so on.

    Corporate taxes are just topped up or refunded to the end recipients of the profits. So there is no need at all to tax the companies themselves.

    Singapore has a corporate rate of 17% and that’s all you pay as a shareholder. No further income tax on the dividends. Kelly seems like a pleasant person but to just release a Trotskyite socialist manifesto like this just indicates stupidity on the part of the author. She should send another letter indicating it was an error and that she hadn’t seen it (which is possible).

  72. Andrew

    Slander. 🙂

    We now have a run of the mill rubbish Liberal government as opposed to a truly rubbish Liberal government.

    Abbott and Hockey talked about and at least attempted to cut spending. Turnbull and Morrison don’t even care anymore.

  73. dan

    doubling penalties for large companies.

    There you go. Why would you “penalise” large companies for anything at all except say manslaughter or fraud? If you aren’t collecting tax then the ATO should be penalised for not doing their job.

  74. dan

    Abbott and Hockey talked about and at least attempted to cut spending

    I remember actually looking at the figures before I wrote to my local member. The budget they WANTED to pass WITH the spending cuts still taxed and spent more than the projected spending of the Labor government and if I recall rightly more than the budget the year before. There was if I recall rightly an attempt to reduce the rate of increase of spending, not reduce it.

  75. Andrew

    Abbott and Hockey talked about and at least attempted to cut spending

    I remember actually looking at the figures before I wrote to my local member. The budget they WANTED to pass WITH the spending cuts still taxed and spent more than the projected spending of the Labor government and if I recall rightly more than the budget the year before. There was if I recall rightly an attempt to reduce the rate of increase of spending, not reduce it.

    That’s what I meant but Labor’s spending and tax figures were rubbish so Hockey wasn’t exactly exceeding what Labor were going to do if re-elected. My point is that Morrison is worse.

  76. dan

    That’s what I meant but Labor’s spending and tax figures were rubbish so Hockey wasn’t exactly exceeding what Labor were going to do if re-elected

    I saw Hockey at the IPA function and he only had one thing to say, namely that he was upset that Uber and AirBnb weren’t being taxed enough. I don’t know if he was worse than Morrison, just as I’m not sure if wine is better if it is corked or has turned vinegary, it’s still useless.

    Let’s keep it simple. Labor was spending $X per year. Hockey put forward a budget increasing taxes on, for example, me and proposed spending “cuts” that would have been eaten up in total spending of approximately $X PLUS $50b.

    I don’t know what Labor would have done if reelected, I don’t know what the Venezuelan socialists would have done either. But I know what a “small market” “free market” “centre-right” “business” party did. The difference is that I don’t have any expectation that Labor would have done anything good.

  77. I am the Walras, Equilibrate and Price Take

    Mr Skeletor
    #1950438, posted on February 19, 2016 at 9:32 am
    The only thing the coup proved was that Peter Credlin should be granted an order of Australia for being able to hide these fuckwits from their fuckwittery for so long.

    Certainly starting to look that way. She was a control freak because she knew these nitwits were their own worst enemies.

    You backed the wrong horse Sinclair. You can lie to us but you can’t lie to yourself.

    Yeah. ‘Wrong Bet‘.

    SHOUT OUT TO LEIGH – make sure you see Nara. One of the most beautiful places in the world, in my book. And I had a great time in Himeji – the castle is magnificent and the people are great. Look out for a tremendous jazz spot called ‘Layla’, not far from the railway station.

  78. Sinclair Davidson

    at least attempted to cut spending.

    There is no evidence to support this claim.

  79. Derp

    ‘Liberals’ like O’Dwyer are only smart enough to locate the centre. They have neither the brains nor the courage to pull the centre back to the right.

    And why would they when their entire Kael worldview now sees every problem caused by lack of revenue?

  80. SHOUT OUT TO LEIGH

    Also, i’m not a huge fan of Tokyo, but get on the city loop and you can see the touristy things very cheap & easy, the trains have signs onboard that display in Japanese & English so it shouldn’t be a problem. If you get the chance stop by Harajuku & Akihabra on a weekend just for the sheer weirdness of it. You will find most temples etc will have a plaque out the front saying it was rebuilt after WW2

    A must see is Kyoto, it wasn’t bombed and the architecture is stunning, be warned you will need good walking shoes or hiking boots and if you go there in the spring be prepared to see tons of school kids.

    What i can recommend is staying at a Ryokan (traditional Inn) and wear a yukata your hosts will appreciate it.

    Two things to be aware of in spring, if it is cherry blossom time the whole country goes insane and the cedar pines shed pollen so if you get hayfever stock up on antihistamines.

  81. Cynic of Ayr

    This rant of Kelly’s – and a rant it is – is very like a copy of an ALP rant.
    Jeez, Kelly, if you’re going to rant, at least make it sound like a Liberal rant!
    For your info, you gotta talk to a lot more “angry” Small Businesses than your local Fish-n-Chip shop.
    Small Business is far, far more angry at you, than at MultiNationals.
    Kerry Packer had it right. He paid his lawful tax happily, but absolutely hated the stupid way it was spent.

  82. .

    Sinclair Davidson
    #1950166, posted on February 18, 2016 at 9:14 pm
    I think calling Kelly “stupid bitch” and “bint” is OTT.

    how can you take the abuse on a sit!

    ???

    Watch Glengarry Glenross.

    How can we NOT be angry with her comments, and she also deserve a tirade of abuse from Blake or Ricky Roma. Constantly. Until she can recite and believes in the Liberal party manifesto.

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