The party of closed borders will win the election

There is as much a message here for the Libs as there is for the Republicans in the United States. It is all that holds the Coalition even at 50-50. But here we are looking at the US which begins with what Glenn Reynolds wrote at Instapundit:

The GOP establishment has an almost-religious attachment to open immigration. It appears to be their only firm principle. It’s what led to Trump’s rise.

That is as neutral a comment as you are going to get. But if you are looking for what people in general think, there are the three top rated comments which might be your guide. First:

“It appears to be their only firm principle.”
GOP principles:
1. Have contempt for conservative voters.
2. Go after conservative members of Congress ruthlessly, but treat Democrats with respect.
3. Do whatever it takes to win the love of the main stream media.
4. Always believe in more government.
5. Immigration, immigration, immigration.

Second:

Get replaced by a foreigner brought in to do your job and see how you feel. You expect people to vote to give their jobs to cheaper immigrants?

And third:

I dislike Trump, and I distrust whatever his politics are. That said, I believe him on the immigration issue, which as we are seeing in Europe, is existential.

That’s it. Says it all. The party of closed borders will win the election but if it weren’t for Trump, no such party would exist.

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188 Responses to The party of closed borders will win the election

  1. Marko says:

    Well God I should hope so.

  2. Infidel Tiger says:

    I think it’s important that there are qualifiers. If immigration is restricted to white Europeans and Asians who have had a western education and have cast aside the less enlightened parts of oriental life then there is no problem with it.

    Most of us however quite rightly wouldn’t want a black family or a South American tribe moving into our street.

  3. Leigh Lowe says:

    Or, to put it another way, IT, I only fly with pilots who eat with a knife and fork.

  4. Lem says:

    True. You can talk about this and that. You can get cuddly with the LGBTI or SMS or whatever. You can belt on about “free education!” and “free health!”

    But you let uninvited strangers trample over the people’s land, demand their money via taxes the indigenous pay, and let the invaders get benefits the indigenous don’t receive, all the while crushing the indigenous ” culture ” by government decree, and you, you impermanent government, will lose.

    It’s not about ideas, or what’s “right or wrong”, it’s about people facing the prospect of shrinking resources getting mighty pissed off.

    It’s why Europe is doomed.

  5. Fisky says:

    With the right messenger, and the right mix of issues – i.e. tying it to national security and wages rather than David Duke – immigration restrictionism is almost always a winner. That’s why I hope Romney gets in the contest to offer voters a choice of sane, reasonable restrictionism, not lunacy.

  6. Fisky says:

    Most of us however quite rightly wouldn’t want a black family or a South American tribe moving into our street.

    You are absolutely right. The drum circles are excruciating enough, that’s before we even get to the most important consideration of racial hygiene.

  7. incoherent rambler says:

    Yep. I believe that unless you can demonstrate that you know how to use an Aussie toilet and/or know what is used for, then there is no room.

  8. Fisky says:

    Thanks to the mud people invasion of Australia, they are actually having to hang SIGNS in toilets showing the jiggidyboos how to use the fucking john properly.

    Vote Trump

  9. Infidel Tiger says:

    From an Australian perspective it is bad enough we have our unassimilated aborigines without importing any further trouble.

  10. JC says:

    Steve I’m not sure you’re correct here. Trump is not the only one for building the wall. Trump is also not supporting a closed border.

    Cruz was well before Trump in building the wall.

    Trump is God.

  11. Fisky says:

    Looking good fellas! Latest poll, Trump up to 49%

    Jeet Heer
    [email protected] Jeet Heer Retweeted Greg Sargent
    Refuses to Disavow KKK Endorsement 49%
    Dick Jokes 16%
    Senator Zero Senate Endorsements 15

    White power!

  12. JC says:

    If immigration is restricted to white Europeans and Asians who have had a western education and have cast aside the less enlightened parts of oriental life then there is no problem with it.

    Really? Like you honestly believe that Euro-weenies, who have never seen a leftwing policy they don’t like, wouldn’t pose a problem.

    Have you lost your sanity, IT? Talk to a few of these Euroweenie 457 youngsters and snoop around for their political views. Most of them are to the fucking left of the Greens party. Of course they should be allowed to move around the West etc. But never, ever hand them citizenship. Asians, no problem.

  13. m0nty says:

    Kates declares victory in 2016 for Trump!

    Lucky for the Democrats that Kates is the worst political analyst in Christendom.

  14. Nathan says:

    Trump is unpopular with Americans at large and is trailing both Sanders and Clinton in the polls. What makes Kates so confident he’ll win?

    Oh, because he wants it to be true. Carry on then.

  15. Ant says:

    2. Go after conservative members of Congress ruthlessly, but treat Democrats with respect.

    Obama and a feral Congress under total Democrat rule up to 2010 and with control of the Senate to 2014 exposed how diabolical the Republican leadership were, selling out repeatedly with pretend opposition to pretty much anything the Dems rammed down Americans’ throats.

    SC and other judicial appointments, Obamacare (with waivers for Congress), massive spending, open borders, show-hearings pretending to shine light on Obama’s scandals (principally IRS targeting of conservatives and the Benghazi fiasco) and bigger government all through with the GOP greasing the skids while ostentatiously squawking in front of the cameras with one side of their mouth and stitching up done deals behind closed doors with the other.

    Then came the public belittling of their conservative base who dared to raise a voice of protest; John Boehner and Mitch McConnell being the worst of them, labelling their party’s core supporters with epithets such as “knuckledraggers” and “the crazies”.

    All while the base turned out in consecutive midterm elections in huge numbers to ‘change the game.’ Instead they were the ones who were gamed in the most humiliating of ways.

    It’s easy to see why this came to be. The Republican establishment’s power, influence, prestige and wealth are essentially not threatened by the Washington status quo or by the Democrats.

    They do just fine with either or both. So do their key donors in the US Chamber of Commerce.

    The only thing that threatens all that is their conservative base, who are so infuriated that all they want now is to put a flame to the crap pile and watch it burn.

  16. memoryvault says:

    1. Have contempt for conservative voters (they don’t matter).
    2. Go after conservative members of Congress Parliament ruthlessly, but treat Democrats Socialists with respect.
    3. Do whatever it takes to win the love of the main stream media.
    4. Always believe in more government.

    When did the GOP steal the LNP manifesto?

  17. Ant says:

    Mind you it does not totally explain Trump’s ascendency. It doesn’t appear as though that solid GOP base is supporting him, judging by the vibe on conservative talk radio – Rush, Levin, Prager, Shapiro, etc. Some, such as Savage kiss Donald’s butt (as he would), but the others are generally hostile or neutral at best when it comes to commenting on what’s going on.

  18. Infidel Tiger says:

    Donald doesn’t need the conservative press when he has the left wing media giving him everything he ever wished for.

  19. Ant says:

    And I’ll say it again: Trump is campaigning as though the Republican nomination, rather than the presidency, is the end game.

  20. Ant says:

    Make Rome Great Again!
    (Powerline)

    You know, it’s a sad thing to say, but the Church is in such bad shape; terrible shape under Francis. The Catholic Church doesn’t win anymore. We just don’t. When is the last time Catholics won anything? Lepanto? When was that, the 1500’s? We don’t win anymore. But, let me just say, Under a Trump papacy, we are going to win again. We are going to win so much. We are going to win so much you are all going to be sick of winning, ok? But right now, it’s terrible. Just the other day, I see the Pope is praising Martin Luther. Martin Luther! Can you believe it?

    I remain perplexed over why any intelligent person supports this circus clown.

  21. Joe says:

    I remain perplexed over why any intelligent person supports this circus clown.

    Perhaps that’s because you overestimate your intelligence and underestimate others?

  22. Occupy Centrelink says:

    When did the GOP steal the LNP manifesto?

    Yep, another crap pile that needs the flame, to paraphrase Ant. But where is our Donald Trump?

  23. Stackja says:

    Open borders to invasion.

  24. Yohan says:

    I remain perplexed over why any intelligent person supports this circus clown

    Why would you quote satire to back up this statement?

  25. Yohan says:

    Establishment conservatism, whether it be the GOP, Cameron’s Tory party or the LNP, has continually foisted multiculturalism and rampant immigration on us, in direct opposition to the will of everyday people.

    Abbott made a big song and dance about illegal boat people, but was lockstep with the LNP on the massive muslim immigration from 3rd world countries. Witness Greg Sheridan’s (the voice of cliche establishment conservatism) recent article in the Australian, furiously saying what a fantastic achievement and success our high immigration policy has been.

    This is the Cuckservative right wing, as promoted by National Review, Fox News and Ruper Murdoch. They have taken over conservatism in english speaking countries, and pushed upon us an alien ideology that will end up destroying western civilization.

  26. A Lurker says:

    What a weird thread.
    Most everyone taking the piss…

  27. Ant says:

    Why would you quote satire to back up this statement?

    Have you listened to a Trump speech, serious interview or debate? Try it and then try separating it from satire.

    And, Joe, you’d no doubt be one of the infatuated cerebral groupies at one of those speeches.

    There’s a reason you won’t see them at events for other candidates (except perhaps teens at Bernie events). Cult of personality shouldn’t be you guide, kid.

  28. Crossie says:

    No, the leader who can best sing an aboriginal lullaby wins all.

  29. sabrina says:

    As we worry about stupidity in other countries, there is utmost stupidity all around in this story in our own country – make your own mind about this story – what sort of companies we have in our own country.
    Did this have to happen in a rich country and civil society like ours?

  30. Crossie says:

    Abbott made a big song and dance about illegal boat people, but was lockstep with the LNP on the massive muslim immigration from 3rd world countries.

    Why would they need to arrive by boats when we accept them daily by the plane load.

  31. Kvantum says:

    Free market economics.

  32. Ant says:

    For any perplexed as to why I’m perplexed, it’s really quite simple: When buying a piece of real estate do you take for granted what the agent tells you? Or do you do your own investigations to accumulate as much information on a potential purchase as possible, essentially ignoring the agent?

    What do you think Trump – real estate mogul – has done all of his career? Some months ago I wrote here how he’s selling his candidacy the way he would sell one of his condos. Spruik like crazy, inventing virtues and marketing the required intentions, while trashing the competition with whatever it takes.

    Once you’ve signed the contract, you are stuck with it.

    Once you’ve voted for Donald in the primary, (and he wins) you are stuck with him!

    Ever heard of Caveat Emptor? (Buyer beware)

    We all know very intelligent people who are complete numbskulls when it comes to buying (and selling) property. Utter fools.

    So, Trump’s big sales pitch is immigration. Really? His great redeeming feature.

    Prior to announcing his candidacy, what was he doing about it? Why, he was donating to Reid, Pelosi, Clinton, McConnell, and all the other pro-amnesty scumbags in Congress, that’s what.

    Now, honestly people, are you really silly enough to believe that Trump is opposed to illegal immigration as viscerally as he says today when he was funding the immigration racket vultures a few years ago? And while he was employing foreign workers and illegal immigrants in his development work?

    Or has he successfully identified his target market and is now merely playing salesman?

    Have you bothered looking at the man’s website, FFS? It’s fluff. Check out the “Positions”. There’s only 5 of them – all the hot-button selling points – ‘great views, great location, great design, great resale, great value’ – great, great, “Great™”.

    Oh, and there’s all of his endorsements, too. They’re kinda like the purchaser testimonials, telling you just how Great Donald really, really is.

    But now he’s all Mr Tough Guy.

    Really, you lot who believe this flotsam are like one of those numbskulls who lap up a real estate agent telling you a house that backs onto a rail line is a peaceful oasys like nothing else.

    And, what do you know, today appears this story.

    The most optimistic analysis of Trump as a presidential candidate is that he just doesn’t believe in positions, except the ones you adopt for strategic purposes when you’re making a deal.

    As Jimmy Carter says “Donald Trump is completely malleable…he has no core principles…”.

    Yet there you are, pen poised, ready to sign the contract from hell.

    Perplexing.

  33. A Lurker says:

    Ant, how many Cats do you think are:
    a. American citizens,
    b.
    Intending to vote in this election?
    c.
    Are likely to be swayed by your politicking?

    If you feel so strongly about Trump, why don’t you do a guest post and let it all hang out?

    p.s. I wonder if there is in America a similar blog to the Cat, that similarly agonises over Australian politics and elections?

  34. Richard H says:

    Jimmy Carter criticises Trump: an endorsement that money can’t buy.

  35. will says:

    What do you think Trump – real estate mogul – has done all of his career? Some months ago I wrote here how he’s selling his candidacy the way he would sell one of his condos. Spruik like crazy, inventing virtues and marketing the required intentions, while trashing the competition with whatever it takes.

    Once you’ve signed the contract, you are stuck with it.

    Once you’ve voted for Donald in the primary, (and he wins) you are stuck with him!

    Trump can build a wall, impose tariffs, strut the world stage pretending to make deals that are only in the interests of the USA, but if he does this, it is all worthwhile. The Moslem bit is a bonus extra.

  36. Yohan says:

    Ant you are the one who being insulting if you think anyone here actually believes Trump is a conservative, that he really opposed immigration, that he reads the bible e.t.c

    Of course he is a showman, an opportunist, his economics are retarded, he is a wrecker who is destroying the neo-conservative (International Trotskyist) wing of the Republican party.

    But that not the point. What are we comparing him to?

    Marco ‘Open Border’ Rubio. Rubio is all for starting war with Russia on behalf of CIA funded Jihadi’s in Syria. Rubio is all for amnesty for 11+ million illegal Mexicans, which will give the Democrats a demographic majority in swing states, giving them a lock on power for a generation or more (until Hispanics move rightward in voting patterns, which took the Irish and Italians 3 generations to do).

    Now that the Donald had nailed his positions to the wall, and made immigration his core election position, if he is elected he is more likely to follow through with it. For Cruz and Rubio it’s a 2nd rate issue, they wont be following through with this opportunistic desire for border control, we can be assured of that.

  37. Richard Craig says:

    Do you have so little self-awareness that you cannot see the hypocrisy of a Canadian living and working in Australia promoting the closed border policy of an economically illiterate bigot like Trump?

  38. Mick says:

    You dont’t think the media are saving this up for October?https://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2016/02/29/memo-to-the-trumpeters/1/

  39. Ant says:

    AL
    a. Virtually none. So what?
    b. Virtually none. So what?
    c. OK, Sinc, shut the shop down. You’re not doing politics anymore.

    If you think Trump’s inconsequential, why can you bothered reading Kates’ posts and the comments?

    I think what’s happening right now in the US is of great consequence to us. Looking for inverse points to discount that is to be without a point.

  40. Sinclair Davidson says:

    OK, Sinc, shut the shop down. You’re not doing politics anymore.

    This is a Kates post – not me. Why Steve is so obsessed with Trump I don’t know.

  41. ella says:

    Fisky
    #1961553, posted on February 29, 2016 at 11:02 pm
    “Most of us however quite rightly wouldn’t want a black family or a South American tribe moving into our street.

    You are absolutely right. The drum circles are excruciating enough, that’s before we even get to the most important consideration of racial hygiene.”

    On the issue of immigration, I was told by an American friend that a significant number of Americans don’t believe that the US Constitution is a suicide note.

    Nor do these Americans have any time for fools who believe that indiscriminateness is a moral imperative because its opposite is discrimination,

  42. Ant says:

    you are the one who being insulting if you think anyone here actually believes Trump is a conservative

    But Trump says he’s a conservative. He says the bible is his favourite book. He says “I am very capable of changing to anything I want to” after he’s elected. He says he will build the wall and send all the Illega…..oh oh!

    So, Yohan, where do you draw the line between truth and BS and on what basis do you have confidence in your decision?

    Yesterday he was refusing to denounce David Duke and the KKK. Today he says his earpiece was dodgy. Yep, that must be the truth.

    Just waiting for his promise to build a monorail to Mars. To believe in Trump is to believe in fairies.

  43. A Lurker says:

    a. Virtually none. So what?
    b. Virtually none. So what?

    Good that you recognise that. However in your previous post you wrote.

    Yet there you are, pen poised, ready to sign the contract from hell.

    The only pen pencil that I’ll be holding in a voting booth this year is for the Australian Federal Election – and I suspect the majority of Cats here are in the same situation.
    So again I ask, why infer that we plebs in the Land Downunder, and more particularly on this blog, have any sort of say over who is voted in the USofA.

    I agree what is happening in the US will affect Australia, it always does, as they say, when America sneezes, the world catches a cold.

    I reiterate, if you feel so strongly against Trump, then do a general guest post refuting Steve’s points.

  44. Struth says:

    Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
    Voting for any of the other GOP puppet candidates is just that.
    The GOP have discarded their voters.
    Political parties are just the circus to distract the masses.
    We are seeing it all over the west.
    Libertarians have been fighting the growth of government using reasoned argument, and debate.
    Where has that got us?
    Government now is nothing short of that computer we made that is intelligent enough to take power away from us.
    Government is run by unelected bureaucrats.
    It is out of control.
    Then a bloke stands up and says what the masses are screaming for.

    I see the failings of Trump.
    On this blog, I also see people far more inclined to trash Trump, than the people that caused Trump.
    That says a lot about why we are in this predicament.
    When 90 percent of the voters want illegal immigration stopped, and the entirety of government, the absolute whole of government says no, get fucked, we are importing cheap labor, dividing you slaves so you are more easily controlled, and making sure you have no uniting culture to fight us with, why wouldn’t the slaves be yelling for Trump.
    If you,are going to tell me any of the other sock puppets would be strong on border control once in office, you are playing with yourselves.
    Hence Trump.
    Deal with reality.

    Morning rant finished.

  45. Ant says:

    Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

    Here here.

    So, (if you’re voting in the US – that one’s for AL) check who the political class in the US despise the most and support them.

    Piss them off, GDI!

    But that won’t take you to dealmaker Trump.

  46. dan says:

    I can tell you who will win the next election (to the Presidency and/or legislature and/or Supreme Court):
    People who want to usurp States’ rights, serve the interests of corporate backers, trample on the Constitution, socially engineer, spend and waste the country’s wealth, jack up taxes, and run an foreign policy based on simultaneously appeasing international extremism and aggression, and half-heartedly/ineffectually fighting it.

  47. Ant says:

    AL, the ‘pen poised’ thing was me drawing an analogy – contractual binds, rather than physically voting for anything (in which case I might has said “pulling the lever”). But you knew that, right?

  48. Bear Necessities says:

    Last night’s Academy Awards is a sympton of what the US has become. No balls.

    Voting came back and no Black nominees. So what? In built racism is in the Academy. Despite there being no evidence that this has occured, the Academy immediately buckled and last night’s embarassing awards ceremony resulted.

    What people are attracted to in Trump is his attack on the PC establishment even though he was once very much part of it. He has shown his Kahuna’s and people are impressed.

  49. Yohan says:

    Mark Steyn explains Trump – perceptive as usual

    I’ve spent the last fortnight in a country where on illegal immigration everyone electorally viable is a hard-ass. That’s to say, there’s a bipartisan consensus that anyone attempting to enter the country without authorization should be warehoused in a detention camp – not in Australia but offshore, either on Nauru, a pile of guano that fancies itself a nation-state, or on Manos Island, which belongs to Papua New Guinea. It’s the equivalent of Trump imprisoning Mexicans in a camp in the Dominican Republic. After years in detention, the migrants are generally either returned whence they came or resettled in a third country. Whatever squeamishness the Aussie Labor Party might feel about this is subject to the compelling political arithmetic that the voters are overwhelmingly at ease with it.

    In America, by contrast, there is a cozy bipartisan consensus between the Democrat Party and the Donor Party that untrammeled mass unskilled immigration now and forever is a good thing. The Dems get voters, the Donors get cheap labor. The Dems have the better deal, but over on the GOP side the Stupid Party is too stupid to realize that suicide in slow motion leads to the same place as one swift sure slice from Isis.

    So it was obvious that the moment someone proposed to rupture this corrupt and squalid arrangement that there would be takers for it – particularly among America’s downwardly mobile lower middle class who, as a price for supporting the Donor Party, are supposed to put up with stagnant wages and diminished economic opportunity as a permanent feature of life. The only question is precisely how big a constituency there’d be for such a message: In Iowa it took an enormous investment of time and money by Ted Cruz to hold Trump down to 24 per cent. In New Hampshire it took Kasich, Bush and Christie moving in to the state for the best part of a year to hold Trump down to 35 per cent. In response the “experts” anointed Marco Rubio, fresh from his stunning third place in Iowa and fifth place in New Hampshire, the real favorite in the race.

    We’re now advancing into states where there’s been perfunctory campaigning – no gladhanding in diners and school gyms. First up was Nevada, where Trump got 46 per cent – or as much as Cruz and Rubio combined. Outside the home states of Cruz, Rubio and Kasich, the polling suggests similar outcomes in most of the March contests.

    and more

    The number who feel betrayed by the Donor Party for at least the entirety of the present century is huge. And, unlike all the codswallop about “comprehensive immigration reform”, this time round there’s a candidate speaking their lingo. As I said to someone on the radio Down Under this week, the “experts” have assured us there’s no need to worry about Trump because he has a low ceiling. But the only opposition to him is two blokes whose ceilings through New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada have been crawl spaces in the low twenties.

    Millions and millions of Americans have heard promises of “a new American century” from shallow consultant-managed pretty-boys and unctuous slickers a gazillion times before, and they write it off as code for more of the same remorseless descent ever deeper into the abyss. Then someone came along with a message that aligned with the reality of their lives: “The American Dream is dead.” It’s not “Morning in America” because, thanks to the betrayal of the Donor Party, that’ll no longer play.

  50. Roger says:

    GOP principles:
    1. Have contempt for conservative voters.
    2. Go after conservative members of Congress ruthlessly, but treat Democrats with respect.
    3. Do whatever it takes to win the love of the main stream media.
    4. Always believe in more government.
    5. Immigration, immigration, immigration.

    So when did Mark Textor start advising the Republican Party?

  51. dan says:

    The very image of conservatism in this country:

    Here

    or here…

    Although to be fair it isn’t just them..
    at all

    I think the only political leader we have had who hasn’t sobbed in public was Abbott, even despite eating a raw onion. What’s weird is that Gillard and Turnbull were both crying about stuff that most people would only find mildly emotional if at all.

  52. Harald says:

    I love the smell of establishment panic in the morning.

  53. . says:

    You love socialism, Harald.

  54. . says:

    When 90 percent of the voters want illegal immigration stopped, and the entirety of government, the absolute whole of government says no, get fucked, we are importing cheap labor, dividing you slaves so you are more easily controlled, and making sure you have no uniting culture to fight us with, why wouldn’t the slaves be yelling for Trump.

    What a load of drivel.

    Mexicans are now have net emigration back to Mexico.

    Real wages have risen everywhere in the world where trade has been opened up.

    So much that real wags are high enough in Mexico to see many repatriate.

  55. Struth says:

    Trump is a problem.
    Everyone else that has better policies than Trump are owned.
    People talk about alternatives.
    For good or bad, do you really have a choice as an American?
    Establishment traitorous establishment, owned pollies, and latent socialism.
    As I said yesterday, the cake mix is poisoned.
    No good arguing about which icing it should have.

  56. Struth says:

    Blatant.
    iPad is not helping.

  57. . says:

    For good or bad, do you really have a choice as an American?

    Gary Johnson.

    If enough Americans gave him a plurality, he could win.

    They just don’t want it bad enough. They’d rather be perpetual victims.

  58. Harald says:

    Time will tell.
    There is less and less doubt in my mind that when the dust settles, I will indeed be on the right side of history on this one.

  59. Struth says:

    Yes Dot, you are dribbling .
    A lot of Australians are moving to New Zealand.
    Trade is not illegal immigration.

    The Mexicans are moving back?
    Please provide proof.
    If that is the case, then that is because the USA is a bad choice for them economically.
    Using your theory and years of illegal immigration into the states, it should be booming .
    You can’t have it both ways.

  60. . says:

    Time will tell if you love socialism Harald?

    You’re on the wrong forum you imbecile.

  61. cohenite says:

    sabrina

    #1961667, posted on March 1, 2016 at 6:38 am

    As we worry about stupidity in other countries, there is utmost stupidity all around in this story in our own country – make your own mind about this story – what sort of companies we have in our own country.
    Did this have to happen in a rich country and civil society like ours?

    Yep, banks typically declare bankruptcy and bring in the liquidators; if there is a more corrupt/unjust process than liquidation I would like to hear it. Having said that the people in your example were dolts.

    The T’s 4 chapter 11 experiences, not bankruptcies, reveal what a great guy he is inasmuch he copped the expense for the chapter 11s and kept the businesses running. What a guy!

  62. Harald says:

    It took only one comment to retreat into disqualifying abuse.

  63. . says:

    truth
    #1961827, posted on March 1, 2016 at 9:59 am
    Yes Dot, you are dribbling .
    A lot of Australians are moving to New Zealand.
    Trade is not illegal immigration.

    The Mexicans are moving back?
    Please provide proof.
    If that is the case, then that is because the USA is a bad choice for them economically.
    Using your theory and years of illegal immigration into the states, it should be booming .
    You can’t have it both ways.

    So you never need to provide proof? You’re an anlyticial piglet.

    The USA is still the most capital intense nation on earth. The southern states are generally better off than the north – despite the north being wealthier for decades.

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

    There’s your proof now apologise and desist your remonstrations.

  64. . says:

    Harald
    #1961836, posted on March 1, 2016 at 10:02 am
    It took only one comment to retreat into disqualifying abuse.

    You’re pushing socialism as an agenda. You deserve everything you cop.

  65. Joe says:

    Yep, banks typically declare bankruptcy and bring in the liquidators;

    Yup, If you lay with the devil, expect to be owned.

  66. Harald says:

    I actually took a screen print of that one. Hilarious.

  67. Struth says:

    Dot you are going to make an excellent lawyer .

  68. . says:

    What is hilarious yet tragic Harald is that you want Trump to be President of another country so badly, that you are willing to accept socialism.

  69. Struth says:

    That’s because you are a tool.
    Please give figures on ILLEGAL immigration.
    I understand you see no difference.
    But as a budding lawyer, take it from a bum like me.
    You need to know the difference.

  70. Struth says:

    Most of the states that are better off are republican states.
    Where are they?

    Your illegal immigration, free borders nonsense, is holding you back.

    Get a grip.
    The problem is, you won’t let go of the vet guru.

    You can do it.
    Yes you can.

  71. . says:

    Please give figures on ILLEGAL immigration.

    It was for all immigration – they surveyed repatriated Mexicans and compared it to census data in both countries. They did not filter for legal immigration.

    You should probably apologise not only for this, but being outrageously wrong before and being defiant.

  72. Iren says:

    Struth

    #1961754, posted on March 1, 2016 at 9:04 am

    +1

  73. Struth says:

    Are you seriously telling us all here, that they know how many illegal immigrants they have?
    You space cadet.

  74. . says:

    Most of the states that are better off are republican states.
    Where are they?

    In the south.

  75. . says:

    Struth
    #1961862, posted on March 1, 2016 at 10:16 am
    Are you seriously telling us all here, that they know how many illegal immigrants they have?
    You space cadet.

    You’re not literate. I noted they used a survey and compared it to census data. Learn to read.

  76. Driftforge says:

    In a democratically driven world you’d have the Sanderistas in the corner by themselves, Trump running for the Democratic nomination (and inevitably winning) on his current immigration platform and the GOP pushing for the return of illegal immigrants and legal ones who haven’t fit in.

    As it is, everything is skewed left by status seeking.

  77. Struth says:

    Thank you.
    So it’s not being flooded with Mexicans.
    It’s red tape and tax policy, and pro business that is doing it.
    They are also flooding into California.
    Doesn’t seem to be the gold mine you insist it is, there.

  78. . says:

    Well no the Mexicans are leaving. Because of free trade and goods in services, they don’t need to immigrate to the US.

    It’s red tape and tax policy, and pro business that is doing it.

    I think you will find in California it is red tape, not Mexicans that are blowing up the economy. Remember you agreed they were leaving the US?

  79. Struth says:

    I can read, but can you comprehend?
    It would take a fairly , I’ll be nice and say, naive person to believe anything from the Mexican government or indeed for that matter, the United States government.
    You are resting your argument on telling us that the Mexican government know just where all its citizens are.
    I have been to Mexico.
    If you had, you would not dare to put bullshit like that forward.

  80. Struth says:

    Exactly.
    I am not arguing the economic benefit of illegal immigration.
    I am arguing that you can’t either.
    Illegal immigration is not driving the US economy and it is not needed.
    Government getting out the way is all that is needed.
    You have no provable figures on the numbers of illegals and no provable evidence they help the economy.
    Explain why, when the USA was the manufacturing giant it was and the indisputable world superpower, that wages were far in excess higher than the the rest of the world.
    It is not your illegals that do it, it is getting government out of the road.

  81. BorisG says:

    I don’t understand why conservatives are so critical of GOP led congress. I think this congress is most obstructionist towards the administration in living memory and possibly since Andrew Johnson.

    They have obstructed every Obama initiative, so much so that Obama is now using it as an excuse as to why he does do much anymore. The only thing congress is reluctant to do is shut down the government. This happened before and GOP was elated that they disrupted Clinton administration but it had them electorally badly

    As to immigration, what can GOP do while Dems are in office. They do not have the numbers to pass laws to overcome presidential veto. And even if they did, enforcement is in the hands of the executive branch.

  82. . says:

    It would take a fairly , I’ll be nice and say, naive person to believe anything from the Mexican government or indeed for that matter, the United States government.

    They used that in conjunction with their own data they collected from Mexicans. You must tire from being wrong.

  83. . says:

    Well if we can’t measure something struth we can’t measure it – good or bad.

  84. Struth says:

    Then it is just your opinion against mine.
    So don’t come crashing in with bullshit calling it facts.

    But I do love it.
    You are going to be an Awesome lawyer.
    But I’d have to think twice before getting you to represent me.

  85. BorisG says:

    One thing is certain: Trump as president would be a very entertaining exeprrience. Unfortunately we are likely to be denied that show. Many people will think Hillary with all her flaws is a saner – and safer – choice.

  86. . says:

    Struth
    #1961897, posted on March 1, 2016 at 10:50 am
    Then it is just your opinion against mine.
    So don’t come crashing in with bullshit calling it facts.

    I quoted something, you shifted the goalposts and declare victory.

    You’re wrong. I also want paying clients.

  87. Infidel Tiger says:

    Trump has said he will unseal the 9/11 report to show who “really” brought down the towers.

    This just gets better.

    He’s also told the NYT in an off the record interview that his position of deporting all the illegals will be moderated once he’s elected.

  88. . says:

    So Trump is an open borders leftist and a 9/11 truther.

    You bloody conservative idiots. You are getting played like a 16 year old girl dating a man in his 20s.

  89. stackja says:

    So USSR/HRC?

  90. Infidel Tiger says:

    He has also blamed his failure to condemn David Duke on a bad ear piece, despite repeating his name and denying he knew who he was.

    It’s pretty clear what Trump is. His supporters should be ashamed.

  91. . says:

    Hilary Clinton vs a far leftist open borders guy who believes in 9/11 conspiracies?

    No.

    Gary Johnson.

  92. Ant says:

    You bloody unprincipled conservative idiots.

    There’s a diff.

  93. Struth says:

    Go on, have the last word , Dot.
    No matter what the word means

  94. . says:

    Principles matter.

    You want a President who listens to someone like Thomas Sowell and takes their oath, and the US constitution seriously.

  95. . says:

    Struth
    #1961937, posted on March 1, 2016 at 11:23 am
    Go on, have the last word , Dot.
    No matter what the word means

    Okay!

  96. Brian says:

    Link did not come up correctly – sorry.
    try again

  97. . says:

    Brian – why do people who moved to the US in 1975 for example need to be “under control”?

  98. Struth says:

    Okay.
    No worries.

  99. Senile Old Guy says:

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

    There’s your proof now apologise and desist your remonstrations.

    From the link:

    Measuring migration flows between Mexico and the U.S. is challenging because there are no official counts of how many Mexican immigrants enter and leave the U.S. each year.

  100. . says:

    Measuring migration flows between Mexico and the U.S. is challenging because there are no official counts of how many Mexican immigrants enter and leave the U.S. each year.

    Yes well. This was discussed and agreed to – also that we don’t trust official figures.

  101. DavidA says:

    Australian 60 Minutes crew attacked in Sweden

    Inside the Rinkeby Square, the TV crew talked with residents who did not seem aggressive, but who told about how good life was in Rinkeby with so many different cultures. All said they enjoyed it there. But when the police suddenly disappeared, without telling the TV crew, a group of masked men suddenly circled the camera men.

    One of the camera men was attacked and hit with a clenched fist over his mouth. A bottle was then thrown at the camera.

    Meanwhile, another camera man was attacked and punched in the mouth so that a tooth came loose.

    The TV team quickly decided to leave Rinkeby, with pictures and film of everything that had happened. They told the journalist from Avpixlat that they have been to Somalia, Syria and Iraq, but they have never experienced anything like this anywhere

  102. Yohan says:

    The figures are bullshit because they do not include the illegals WHO ARE OFF THE BOOK. How can the stats show illegals who are not part of surveys? How can the stats show the millions that walk across the border at night?

    Official government estimate of illegals is 11 million, but non-biased estimates are easily twice that, between 20-30 million.

    So almost 1 in 10 people in the USA is an illegal South American immigrant.

  103. . says:

    No Yohan, you missed the methodology, you should know better – the same with your absurd throwaway remark.

  104. Brian says:

    The issue was not the control of people, but the control of the border.
    The graph does a pretty good job of highlighting a very sudden, large and recent change, and I presume something that was not the purpose of stated policy at the time.

  105. goatjam says:

    And I’ll say it again: Trump is campaigning as though the Republican nomination, rather than the presidency, is the end game.

    The exact same thing was said about Obumma vs Shillary in 2007.

  106. Yohan says:

    No Yohan, you missed the methodology, you should know better – the same with your absurd throwaway remark.

    The methodology is bullshit. They claim only 6 million illegals, and that its been in decline the last 8 years. Try telling that to people who have seen entire suburbs in Texas and SoCal become full of illegals.

    Real world estimates are 4 times that amount. That because border control, already very lax under George Bush, has gotten slacker under Obama. Deportation is supposedly at its highest, but does not account for the even higher amount of illegal importation.

  107. Ant says:

    Trump’s jumping through hoops today trying to deflect attention away from his cuddling up to Duke Duke/KKK yesterday (at worst) or indifference (at best).

    Can’t wait to see what kind of POTUS he makes, if he wins on Nov 8 – which he won’t. The media are alreading announcing they’ve got enough ammo in their arsenal to see him crash like the ignominious clown that he is.

    Oh, and I’ve let my Trumpisms lapse a bit the last several days:

    Trump: I don’t know who David Duke or these groups are. I just don’t know. Have they endorsed me? I need to check out what they’re saying but for now all I’m saying is that I don’t know.
    Reporter: Mr Trump, yesterday you chose not to distance yourself from David Duke. Trump: YOU LIE!!!

    I mean, David Duke? That guy? How hard can it be to send the KKK swill packing? But he didn’t. WTF!

    It’s not the first time. Trump has embraced Putin, even while acknowledging that Putin rubs out his rivals, including journalists, all because Putin called him a “genius”.

    Rub Donny’s tummy and Donny will slobber all over you no matter who you are.

    Maybe the Dukester promised to lynch Megyn Kelly.

    He’s campaigning as though the Republican nomination, rather than the presidency, is the end game.

  108. Yohan says:

    A rancher near the border found 10,000 backpacks thrown away (for the long walk) on his property. This sort of thing was not happening 15 years ago, the rate of illegal immigration has massively accelerated. I just would not accept any Obama administration statistics as being accurate.

    We may as well say Benghazi was caused by a Youtube video.

  109. Ant says:

    The exact same thing was said about Obumma vs Shillary in 2007.

    Oh that was brutal alright.

    But I seem to recall that the media class didn’t coalesce around John McCain & Sarah Palin in the general.

    Rather, the opposite was true.

    So, maybe, just maybe, Chris Matthews, Gwen Ifil, Candy Crowley, et al, will be batting for Donald.

    Yeah, I can see it now – NOT!

  110. Stackja says:

    Again HRC/USSR are alternatives.
    Why so little about criticism?

  111. Infidel Tiger says:

    Again HRC/USSR are alternatives.

    Neither.

  112. Fred Lenin says:

    Its all about career poitical aparatchiks keeping power ,them ,the public servants and the corrupt law trade dont want to be made accountable to the people ,too much information will expose their wrongdoing and corruption . Trump reminds the people that they are the centre of power ,and not the corrupt self seekers .

  113. egg_ says:

    Libertarians have been fighting the growth of government using reasoned argument, and debate.

    It’s the Capitol Bureaucracy/MSM bubble that makes Trump a breath of fresh air juxtaposed to Obambi?

  114. Harald says:

    The closest comparison I have witnessed to Trump, was a man called Pim Fortuyn. He was a flamboyant, very colourful character, who challenged the status quo in The Netherlands. The man was extremely good in his presentation, his public appearances. Very charismatic.
    .
    He was absolutely vilified in the press at the time. (Just like Trump now.) His election platform was similar to Trump: closing the borders, dial down on the international political obligations in the EU, dial donw the immigration, especially from islamic countries way way down to give the new arrivals we had received time to integrate and assimilate into the culture, etc..
    .
    Within the establishment in The Netherlands at the time, there was palpable fear this man was going to upset their applecart. Fortuyn was experiencing huge popularity in spite of a barrage of attacks from both the etablishment politicians as well as nearly all the media outlets – attacks that got more and more shrill and extreme as time went on, the man was Hitler, Goebbels and the devil all rolled into 1, if one were to believe the most widely sold newspapers at the time.
    .
    In the polls leading up to the elections, Fortyun looked certain to become the new Prime Minister of The Netherlands. The elections were held 15 May 2002.
    .
    Fortuyn was assasinated 9 days earlier, on 6 May 2002. We had no stable government since: no government has run full term since that day. Not one. The country has been deadlocked politically. Geert Wilders replaced Fortuyn. Geert Wilders is far more radical, more populist. No solution is possible anymore.
    .
    With Trump, just like with Fortuyn in The Netherlands at the time, there is a chance to fix things still.
    .
    If not Trump, things will get very problematic. Trump may be a risk (dimishingly so I must say, looking at the people advising Trump), but the “not Trump” scenario is far worse.

  115. Hamish Marshall says:

    Steve, if Ted Cruz wasn’t a perfectly respectable, indeed brilliant, conservative candidate, I would agree with. You do significantly understate the risks associated with Trump:
    – he will lack the extraordinary ability necessary to implement his core promises
    – he lacks the moral fibre to maintain 100% commitment to his core promises
    We will never know, but if the Clinton MSM fight a truly vicious war against Trump, and Trump prevails, then you could argue that you have been vindicated. But you would have to assume that Cruz wouldn’t prevail in such a war, and now that mainstream America is throwing out the rule book, I don’t think that assumption holds water.

  116. egg_ says:

    It is not your illegals that do it, it is getting government out of the road.

    More wymminses in the workforce, hence illegals are employed for domestic help?
    Just like childcare workers are paid sh1te.

  117. Ant says:

    But you would have to assume that Cruz wouldn’t prevail in such a war

    Cruz jumps into the MSNBC snake pit without fear. In all the many interviews I have seen and heard him in he rarely struggles.

    This is what you would expect from an intelligent and articulate person who is confident in their principled positions.

    By contrast, Trump is terrified of Megyn Kelly – on the Fox network – and we see him making nice with David Duke one day and then plays dumb the next.

    As best we can tell, Cruz is scandal-free and it’s very improbable that the media can make a dent on him without blatantly lying.

    Trump, on the other hand, where the hell should I begin…?

  118. cohenite says:

    Hamish Marshall

    #1962106, posted on March 1, 2016 at 1:52 pm

    Steve, if Ted Cruz wasn’t a perfectly respectable, indeed brilliant, conservative candidate, I would agree with. You do significantly understate the risks associated with Trump:

    I agree but Cruz has faded. And if its a choice between the T and either Hillary/sanders those who choose the latter are insane.

  119. Infidel Tiger says:

    #NeverTrump

  120. EB says:

    On the stuff that matters to the establishment the Democrats and the Republicans are in-sync.

    Old stooges like McCain and McConnell would rather Hilary than Trump. Will be interesting to see if they kick him out or not. The backlash would be off the charts, but he’d, never grab enough votes as an independent and they’d be happy enough to swallow the predictability of Hillary.

  121. cohenite says:

    Infidel Tiger

    #1962122, posted on March 1, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    #NeverTrump

    Then who? I’m saying if it’s a choice between the T and either the lying slash or the old commie anyone who chooses the latter are nuts.

  122. Diogenes says:

    Trump: I don’t know who David Duke or these groups are. I just don’t know. Have they endorsed me? I need to check out what they’re saying but for now all I’m saying is that I don’t know.
    Reporter: Mr Trump, yesterday you chose not to distance yourself from David Duke. Trump: YOU LIE!!!

    Read again what Trump says, and you have written.

    At the time of the first question did Trump KNOW that Duke /KKK/The German Bund/Communists/ etc etc endorsed him ? This could have been a media gotcha as per the Mussolini tweets. As for I don’t know him, that is an easy slip – as soon as I walked in the door yesterday Mrs D started babbling on about about “Karen” coming to have see her and they went out to lunch – I had no idea to whom she was referring (it was her niece who lives in Canberra btw).

    He confirms that Duke did endorse him …. tweets “I disavow !”

    Reporter either didn’t see/ignored “I disavow tweets” and asks a (now dumb) question, and gets the reaction because Trump had already disavowed..

    Disclaimer: I have no dog in this fight, I am not “barracking” for anybody as I believe whoever wins, from whichever side, the US is stuffed . I correct the record because “pig ignorant & proud of it” attitude from the media , the media games and gotchas p***** me off big time.

  123. Infidel Tiger says:

    Then who? I’m saying if it’s a choice between the T and either the lying slash or the old commie anyone who chooses the latter are nuts.

    Vote for neither.

    It’s not binary.

  124. Infidel Tiger says:

    He confirms that Duke did endorse him …. tweets “I disavow !”

    It was the most reticent “disavow” you ever did see.

    He knew exactly who Duke was but couldn’t calculate quickly enough if he should upset his supporters and reject Duke.

    He’s now blaming it on a faulty earpiece and like graduates from Trump University his supporters are eating that up.

  125. Tim Neilson says:

    I’m 100% confident that Clinton or Sanders would be disastrous – worse than useless. Presumably I don’t have to elaborate in either case.
    I’m 100% confident that Rubio would be disastrous – worse than useless. He’s a catamite for the open borders GOP/Dems duopolistic nation-destroying cartel, and that’s far and away the most important and urgent issue in this election.
    I’m 100% confident that Carson can’t win the primary, so it’s irrelevant what I think of him as a candidate.
    I’m 100% confident that as long as Rubio is in the race neither Kasich nor Cruz can win. I strongly suspect that Kasich is another catamite like Rubio, if not worse, so I’m content for him to lose. I’d like Cruz to be president but I really can’t see it happening.
    I’m well over 50% confident that Trump would be disastrous – worse than useless. But see above. If Trump is the only way of stopping a Rubio v Clinton or Sanders general, the only percentage option for conservative/libertarian voters is to make Trump the GOP nominee, hope he wins the general and hope that he sees it as being in his best interests to keep his promises about immigration.

  126. Tim Neilson says:

    Infidel Tiger
    #1962139, posted on March 1, 2016 at 2:31 pm

    Vote for neither.

    It’s not binary.

    Yes, but with what objective in view? Voting informal here in Australia makes sense, to humiliate the Liberals and send a clear message (with as many anti-Termite obscenities as will fit on the ballot paper) that they’re never again going to get their snouts in the trough until they resume standing for something useful. Sitting it out in the USA to give Clinton (or Sanders) a victory over Trump will achieve exactly what?

  127. Infidel Tiger says:

    Trump or Clinton will both split the Republic.

    You can not support either.

  128. Yohan says:

    The whole Duke thing shoes how unhinged the anti-trump diatribe is getting.

    He claims his ear piece was not working, and I believe it. You can even see him in the TV interview straining to make out what was being said. All he heard was something about David Duke, so he said ‘I don’t know anything about him’, which was probably a pre-canned line that he has been told to say when asked what he knows about David Duke.

    The fact is did a disavowal less than 48 hours earlier has not stopped the howling monkeys trying to make this into something it’s not. A sign of pathetic desperation.

  129. srr says:

    See why, Open Borders to My Future Paying Muslim Clients, Dot, is so happy to dribble on about ‘Mexicans’ –

    Still Report #462 – US Taking 100k Muslim Refugees / Year

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIf3tElDLfA

    Published on 28 Nov 2015
    So we may be getting closer to the bottom of that UPS charter that unloaded 30 bus loads of people at night at the Harrisburg, Penn Regional airport. This was broadcast as Minute Memo #201.

    Our fearless commenters provided some great information. It turns out that UPS has converted a few planes for passengers as charters. There are several articles on this if you do a search on it.

    Ed said that he heard an interview with a commercial pilot last year who:

    “…refused to sign a non-disclosure agreement that allowed him to break FAA regulations but lost his job in his refusal. He was to fly [refugees] in from some middle east country into JFK in the middle of the night bypassing security.

    A person named only “Please Stay Tuned” alerted me that this:

    “Could be the Pennsylvania Refugee Resettlement Program. Seems to be a very quiet gov funded org.”

    Well, as it turns out, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie revealed last week on Fox that the Obama administration has been bringing in refugees by plane for quite a while.
    [insert Christie]
    But will these refugees ever make TV news.

    No way! Middle of the night, landing at rotating small regional airports, they quickly jump on common charter buses. TV cameras will never be there.

    And just look at the numbers. Everyone is getting all excited about Obama saying he would bring in 10,000 refugees from Syria.

    In the first 5 years of the Obama presidency, the U.S. gave out green cards to over 680,000 immigrants from predominantly Muslim countries.

    According to the Center for Immigration Studies, in recent years, 100,000 new Muslim immigrants are brought into the United States each year, and it’s growing at a rate of about 10% per year. So this battle in the press about whether or not to reject the president’s plan to bring in 10,000 more is nothing but a distraction.

    The truth is that in the last 5 years, we have admitted more Muslims into the U.S. already than the entire Muslim population of Belgium – and that entire country is on lockdown from the Friday the 13th terrorist event in adjoining France.

    I’m Still reporting from Washington.

    btw, in the ’70’s one of my siblings was an illegal alien in the US for years.
    Employed by up-their-own-arse New York Democrats.
    After thorough indoctrination they came back with the lust and contacts to spread that God hating poison through Australia.
    See, like some foreigner criminals in America keep reminding us, it can pay really, really well to betray Nation and blood to the UN Agendas.

  130. Mr Skeletor says:

    Cruz is the best choice but I’m not convinced he can win. I think Trump has a better chance. He is an OK number 2 pick.
    Rubio can go fuck off, he is a waste of space.

    Anyone who is rooting for Hillary or Sanders over Trump should be banned for life. These are the same clowns who claimed Malcom was the answer.

  131. Ant says:

    I would vote for Trump over Hillary or Sanders, but not over Carson, Rubio or what’s his name…the guy whose father’s a mailman.

    Funnily enough, 3 months ago I wouldn’t have placed Trump last on the GOP primary ticket, but above the RINOs.

    Then I woke up.

    Some conservative Republicans have come out and said they’re not backing Trump including Ben Sasse.

    It’s going get bloody if Trump gets the nod. He won’t and can’t unite the base behind him – completely fundamental organisationally and financially if he wants to beat Hillary in the general election.

    He’s been a complete dickhead so far. Yep, the Trumpster’s playing as if winning means getting the nomination and then hope for the best.

    What a mess.

    BTW, his endorsement by Sen. Jeff Sessions yesterday proves again his uncanny ability to bring out the worst in people.

  132. Mr Skeletor says:

    The whole Duke thing shoes how unhinged the anti-trump diatribe is getting.

    From what I can tell it’s basically them crying Rwwwwasist!
    Trump is turning them all left wing. I’m waiting for Sinc to post the economic justification of Leonardo’s Climate Change plans.

  133. Ant says:

    Oh look, doghouse boy’s joined in. Welcome, doggie.

    Say, now that you’re here, how about you list all those “fousands and fousands” of lies told by Ted Cruz?

    Come on. You should be able to rattle off a couple of dozen in a snap.

    Phony x 12

  134. Pat Warnock says:

    BorisG, Hilary safer, saner!!!! You are joking, ‘criminal’ is the word that comes to mind. Go Trump!

  135. srr says:

    That ‘smart’ cats keep pushing the Duke BS – when it’s been made clear here and everywhere they’re trawling, that Trump gave up on a Third Party in the ’80’s because it got infected with KKK types, and he wanted no association with them – shows not only how unhinged they are, and dishonest, but how much they want a Butchering Witch Bitch of Benghazi, Hillary Clinton/democrat/Communist US Government.

    Or they could prove me wrong and do a dedicated thread on why Hillary Clinton MUST be kept out of Office.

  136. Yohan says:

    Trump said – he doesn’t know anything about David Duke, he did not say – he hasn’t heard of David Duke.

    Note that vast distinction between those statements. But the anti-trumpers are lying and spinning it as if he said the later, that Trump pretends he hasn’t heard of Duke. This is what we have come to, right wingers acting like dishonest leftists.

  137. Zatara says:

    why do people who moved to the US in 1975 for example need to be “under control”?

    If you mean people who illegally entered the US in 1975 the answer is because Title 8, Section 1325 of the US Code, ‘Illegal immigration’ has no statute of limitations.

  138. Ant says:

    ‘I don’t know anything about him’

    Ooo, lookie here.

    KING: Did the David Duke thing bother you? Fifty-five percent of the whites in Louisiana voted for him.

    Mr. TRUMP: I hate-

    KING: Four hundred New Yorkers contributed.

    Mr. TRUMP: I hate seeing what it represents, but I guess it just shows there’s a lot of hostility in this country. There’s a tremendous amount of hostility in the United States.

    KING: Anger?

    Mr. TRUMP: It’s anger. I mean, that’s an anger vote. People are angry about what’s happened. People are angry about the jobs. If you look at Louisiana, they’re really in deep trouble. When you talk about the East Coast – It’s not the East Coast. It’s the East Coast, the middle coast, the West Coast-

    KING: If he runs and Pat Buchanan runs, might you see a really divided vote?

    Mr. TRUMP: Well, I think if they run, or even if David Duke- I mean, George Bush was very, very strong against David Duke. I think if he had it to do again, he might not have gotten involved in that campaign because I think David Duke now, if he runs, takes away almost exclusively Bush votes and then a guy like Cuomo runs- I think Cuomo can win the election.

    KING: But Bush morally had to come out against him.

    Mr. TRUMP: I think Bush had to come out against him. I think Bush- If David Duke runs, David Duke is going to get a lot of votes. Whether that be good or bad, David Duke is going to get a lot of votes. Pat Buchanan – who really has many of the same theories, except it’s in a better package – Pat Buchanan is going to take a lot of votes away from George Bush. So if you have these two guys running, or even one of them running, I think George Bush could be in big trouble.

    That’s from 1991 and that’s a very long time ago.

    However, would the Trumpster forgive that in Rubio or Cruz if the roles were reversed? He’s still banging on the CNN/Carson/Tweet BS and Cruz’s partial financial technicalities to “prove” he’s a liar.

    Nah, don’t think so.

    Therefore, to Trumpifier the current situation:

    DONALD TRUMP: THE CANDIDATE FOR THE KKK AND WHITE SUPERMACISTS!!!

  139. Boambee John says:

    IT at 1459,

    Now you are getting to the heart of the matter.

    Shrillary or Sanders will probably lead to a secession crisis, with the “Red” states, or at least a high proportion of them, choosing to separate, in the knowledge that this will be the last chance for anything resembling conservatism in the US.

  140. Infidel Tiger says:

    David Duke, the former Ku Klux Klan leader who plans to vote for Donald Trump, on Monday laughed off the GOP front-runner’s disavowal.

    “That’s fine. Look, Donald Trump do whatever you need to do to get elected to this country because we need a change,” Duke said in an appearance on “The Alan Colmes Show” on Fox News Radio.

    David Duke agrees with the majority of Katterlaxians.

  141. Ant says:

    Yeats:

    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

  142. . says:

    Yohan you are talking out of your arse. You know better not just on this. When Trump goes full retard you’re going to have egg on your face like the great Jason Soon who backed Obummer etc.

  143. Ant says:

    David Duke agrees with the majority of Katterlaxians.

    That’s OTT. He’s a virulent anti-Semite.

  144. . says:

    Colmes and Fox News should know better. Duke is insidious – a “respectable” face of the Ku Klux Klan.

    Must have been a slow news day. Let the prick publish “news” on his ridiculous websites.

    They bombed churches. Enough said.

  145. . says:

    Just sit back and think for a moment – Fox was more than happy to have David Duke on, but tried to stop third party Liberty Republican Caucus, Tea Partiers or Libertarian Party candidates get on Fox broadcasts.

    They also enabled the whole Trump circus.

    What a complete and utterly shameful “News” service.

  146. Infidel Tiger says:

    That’s OTT. He’s a virulent anti-Semite.

    Yeah, but his heart is in the right place #MakeAmericaGrateAgin

  147. Dan says:

    He knew exactly who Duke was but couldn’t calculate quickly enough if he should upset his supporters and reject Duke

    On Friday he said “I reject his endorsement” or similar in a simple 3 or 4 word phrase. Politicians don’t speak more clearly than that.

  148. Struth says:

    Leading democrats started the KKK.
    This is all bullshit.
    And it’s going to get a lot worse.
    If he doesn’t get shot, I’ll be surprised.

  149. . says:

    Um, so Duke supporting Trump is bullshit?

  150. Mr Skeletor says:

    Who cares?

  151. Infidel Tiger says:

    What a complete and utterly shameful “News” service.

    Rupert Murdoch is a despicable person.

  152. Infidel Tiger says:

    Leading democrats started the KKK.

    A leading Democrat is winning the Republican primary.

  153. Yohan says:

    Yohan you are talking out of your arse. You know better not just on this. When Trump goes full retard you’re going to have egg on your face like the great Jason Soon who backed Obummer etc.

    Of course he will go full retard Dot. It’s not because I support Trump, he is as anti-libertarian as you can get. I’m loving the destruction of ‘conservatism inc’. But Trump is still far better than Hillary.

  154. struth says:

    Better than a leading communist IT.
    This is make or break for the west.
    If batman comes to save you from drowning are you going to tell him to fuck off because you are waiting for superman.
    Some here say the others can win.
    They cant.
    If they were going to win Trump wouldn’t be an option.
    This has happened due to the fear of the fight and corruption in the GOP.
    You dont get the perfect candidate.
    Its too late to start listening to the people now.
    The gutless inactive GOP have fucked this.

  155. . says:

    Fair enough Yohan but it’s crazy like a fox. That damned lure worked again.

  156. Yohan says:

    the-suicide-of-the-gop-establishment

    Another good article explaining what has gone wrong with Conservatism Inc, and why Trump/Cruz have dominated so far in this race.

  157. srr says:

    btw, why does anyone still bother engaging with the childish, foot stomping, committed bald faced liars, anymore?

    It was different in the old days when a couple or few, cleverly tied a few partial quotes, half truths and deliberate misunderstandings into their trolling bait posts, but lately it’s simply, ‘I Hate You! Because lie lie lie …… and more ridiculous lies’.

    There is no talking with such people, let alone debating them. All you can do is note who they are, what they promote, and have absolutely nothing to do with them or what they’re selling; knowing it’s all poison from a poison well.

  158. Ren Durham says:

    Trump might be narrowly behind in most national polls pitting him head-to-head with Clinton but there are a couple of caveats on those polls I think. Most are conducted by left-leaning outfits or avowed Trump-haters so sample spread and accuracy is prima facie questionable. Also most punters who are realisitic doubt Trump will be successfully monstered by Clinton in a 1 on 1 debates no matter what she had on him (indeed the opposite is likely to be true = Trump almost certainly has acres of dirt on Clinton and the ability to deploy it with extreme prejudice and lethal force when the time comes). Also no matter how deep Clinton’s well greased pockets are Trumps are deeper – she could never outspend him in advertising and that’s not even taking into account the endless free PR Trump gets and will continue to get til election day). And that leads to the real clincher that these polls don;t get – Many who claim to love Hilary or hate Trump simply wont vote come election time. Clinton does not enthuse anyone and the numbers turning up to vote for her in primaries (where we are talking card carrying Democrats) is small. This is where Trump will win – ordinary people queue for hours to vote for him and hear him – people from all demographics are motivated to participate in a way not seen for decades in the US where 40% turnout in an election is the norm. Clinton may just have the numbers on paper but they wont matter because many wont actually be voting in the only poll that counts. She will get the usual 40% turnout -Trump will get much higher just as he has at every primary and that will get him over the line

  159. Infidel Tiger says:

    btw, why does anyone still bother engaging with the childish, foot stomping, committed bald faced liars, anymore?

    Until Sinc bans you we almost feel obliged.

  160. srr says:

    For those who like supported facts and well supported, well argued opinion –

    Reports: 20,000+ Massachusetts Democrats Quit Party – “Trump Effect”…

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/02/29/reports-20000-massachusetts-democrats-quit-party-trump-effect/#more-113085

    In that thread you’ll also find this post with that wonderful newspaper clipping

    BigMamaTEA says:
    March 1, 2016 at 12:37 am

    3 Sep 1980, Page 4 – at Newspapers.com – h/t stephen [email protected] real science

    https://i2.wp.com/realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Screenshot-2016-02-29-at-03.18.04-PM-down.gif?zoom=2

    yeah, it’s yet another, KKK bloody red herring thing, that also failed then, as miserably as it has now.

  161. Infidel Tiger says:

    Reagan disavowed the KKK in the strongest possible terms at every opportunity.

    Trump hesitantly and begrudgingly disavowed Duke in much the same way Obama disavowed Jeremiah Wright.

  162. Harald says:

    srr,
    Yeah, I do see that. However, I cannot say much to how it has changed. But it unfortunately is screechy and abusive. I find that this happens when people bring morality into it. There is a certain type of libertarian, I have found, who feels that their ideas are morally superior. Perhaps that is a side effect of reading too much (of especially) Rothbard. They are prone to start acting like Global Warmers, all smarmy, abusive, sneering. Could that be at play here as well?

  163. Ant says:

    btw, why does anyone still bother engaging with the childish, foot stomping, committed bald faced liars, anymore?

    You mean like Cruz, right?

    Great. Let’s have some of his many lies.

    Here’s a tip for you, junior: If you’re going to accuse somebody of lying have something useful to present as evidence when called upon. It’ll make you look at least momentarily credible rather than making you look like a horsePh rear end.

    Phony x 13

  164. JC says:

    Harald

    You’re confusing a feeling of superiority with intolerance for idiots. You fall in that category. Nothing to do with Rothbard.

    Just curious, are you intending to remain here for the long term, or leaving for the dyke?

  165. . says:

    Harald
    #1962377, posted on March 1, 2016 at 6:18 pm
    srr,
    Yeah, I do see that. However, I cannot say much to how it has changed. But it unfortunately is screechy and abusive. I find that this happens when people bring morality into it. There is a certain type of libertarian, I have found, who feels that their ideas are morally superior. Perhaps that is a side effect of reading too much (of especially) Rothbard. They are prone to start acting like Global Warmers, all smarmy, abusive, sneering. Could that be at play here as well?

    You bloody idiot you think low taxes makes people slit their wrists and sit in a warm bathtub.

    You stupid bloody prick.

    SRR is completely off her bonce so you’ve found good company, you whingeing moron.

  166. Fred Lenin says:

    Who had beard of the KKK recently ? Untill the communist media dig it up to embarras Trump whatever it takes comrades ,the motto of a criminal career poiticians ,especially the leftoids . Meep fighting tgem Donald they are shit scared of you and us ,jeep them off balance ,and remember “divide et impera ! ,divide and rule !

  167. . says:

    Yes Harald.

    Free trade IS morally superior to protectionism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEq-gPQAHaM

    Yaron Answers: Do Free Trade Agreements Actually Promote Free Trade?

    Ayn Rand Institute

  168. . says:

    Untill the communist media dig it up to embarras Trump whatever it takes comrades

    …no. Duke supported him and he refused to run a mile. Unlike Reagan.

  169. srr says:

    So Why, Exactly, Did Joe Biden Appear at the Oscars?
    And receive a standing-o to boot.

    For those who missed it, Vice President Joe Biden was given a tremendous platform and standing ovation Sunday evening at the 88th annual Academy Awards, where he appeared from seemingly out of nowhere, then took the stage to speak about victims of rape before introducing a performance by Lady Gaga.

    Sound strange?

    Perhaps because it is. Biden’s appearance (featured above) at the Oscars might signal that the DNC is pulling strings to keep the vice president relevant and recognizable to the public in the event of a Hillary Clinton-implosion. After all, it is not every day a political figure is afforded a platform viewed by dozens of millions of everyday Americans. Or, Biden’s appearance could have just been another self-serving move by the Obama administration looking to garner more adulation from an easy audience.

    As soon as Biden appeared on stage, the audience leapt to their feet to give the vice president a standing ovation. He used the time to promote his administration’s “It’s On Us” pledge, which addresses the country’s so-called sexual assault epidemic. Biden then introduced Lady Gaga’s performance of a song entitled, “Til it Happens to You.”

    The song, originally written by Diane Warren, is a beautiful and thought-provoking ballad about surviving sexual assault. In and of itself it is a worthwhile message and piece of artistic expression. All the more disappointing then that it was made especially for the largely discredited college rape-documentary “The Hunting Ground.” This, however, is precisely the type of propaganda any left-wing politician seeking relevance would get behind with gusto.

    Food for thought.

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/so-why-exactly-did-joe-biden-appear-oscars

    Then there’s that little thing about Trump wanting to work with Russia to defeat ISIS, Dems/Biden EU/UN stir up a bloody coup and bloody war … for …

    Ukrainian Employer of Joe Biden’s Son Hires a D.C. …
    time.com/2964493/ukraine-joe-biden-son-hunter-burisma/
    Jul 7, 2014 – When Vice President Joe Biden’s son, R. Hunter Biden, joined the board of a private Ukrainian oil and natural gas company this spring, …

  170. Ant says:

    I’ve listened to Trump’s responses to the cold hard fact that David Duke has actively encouraged his followers to vote for Trump several times now.

    Firstly, the only people who have the high moral ground here are conservative Republicans – as they have for over a century. The Democrats are plainly diabolical on the subject of ‘white supremacy’ and indeed the KKK. Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Hugo Black, Al Gore Snr, J William Fullbright, LBJ, Robert Byrd – all Democrat luminaries from the 20th Century and all racist to their core. Then you get the more contemporary Dems who play with race like a cat plays with a woollen ball to entrench their appeal to minorities in exchange for votes. Despicable, the lot of them.

    Trump’s handling of this issue is quintessentially ‘Trump’.

    He can’t help himself. I don’t believe he is at all racist, but he bloody well knows a good deal when he sees one.

    Duke would, unfortunately, have a fairly solid rump of support in the US. When Trump’s objective is to secure the nomination (his endgame, in my estimation) why should he jeopardise that by rejecting the poor sods? Especially this close to Super Tuesday.

    No principles, remember? If he had any it would have been a no-brainer to stop the reporter in his tracks and kill the issue dead with a straight, unequivocal statement.

    Principles should count for a lot but, alas, as the Trumpbots stubbornly display, they count for jackshit when a demagogue is doing his thing.

  171. srr says:

    Then there’s that little thing about Trump wanting to work with Russia to defeat ISIS, WHILE, Dems/Biden EU/UN stir up a bloody coup and bloody war … for …

  172. Ant says:

    A good post on Biden, srr.

    See, you are capable of it.

    But you’re still a phony.

  173. Harald says:

    About 2 years ago I became an Australian citizen. I have no plans to go back. And in the long term, I think there is not much to go back to.

  174. . says:

    Harald is afraid of capitalism.

  175. Harald says:

    Funny, when I hit “Post” on that Rothbard-comment and walked away from the computer, I looked back and thought: “Hm.. I should have mentioned Ayn Rand as well.”

  176. Yohan says:

    Remember one big difference in US politics is motivated turnout. The Democrat primaries have been way down on 2008, while the GOP has been record breaking. There has also been some polls that show 20% of Democrats would possibly vote for Trump. This is unheard of, far greater than the Reagan Democrats.

    Will this all be enough to counter Trumps negative traits and imagery? He has plenty of time to the next election, 8 months.

  177. srr says:

    Also, the insane clinging to the KKK BS is all that’s left of the Global Militant Atheists cover.

    KKK = Evil = Bible Bashers = Christian

    Trump – “Christianity is Under Siege!
    We Are Going To Fight For Christianity To!”

  178. m0nty says:

    KKK = Evil = Bible Bashers = Christian

    And that’s the modern Right in all its glory.

  179. Ant says:

    And yet, doggie, you’ve yet to call David Duke a “liar”.

    But you use “liar” with gay abandon when describing Cruz (and Rubio).

    Suspicious.

    You’ve got a real ‘secret handshake’ wiff about you.

  180. BorisG says:

    The closest comparison I have witnessed to Trump, was a man called Pim Fortuyn.

    Pim Fortuyn was fine. My good friend voted for him. He started a party. the party was quite popular, plus got all the sympathy voted after the assassination of the leader. Yet it disintegrated after just one term. Clearly this was a party with a rather superficial populist agenda running on the reputation of a charismatic leader.

    The closest comparison I have witnessed to Trump, was a man called Silvio Berlusconi.

  181. Tel says:

    KKK = Evil = Bible Bashers = Christian

    And that’s the modern Right in all its glory.

    I know facts aren’t really your thing, but the KKK were founded by Democrats (i.e. socialist lefties). The purpose was to use violence to discourage people from voting Republican.

    It was after all the Republicans who ended slavery in the USA.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2309727/posts

  182. Yohan says:

    Tel is right. And George Wallace, who was the closest the US ever got a an outright racist leader, was a Democrat and of the left. (just like Curtin, Evatt and Chifly were all for the white Australia policy)

    But don’t let facts get in the way of a good leftie narrative.

  183. . says:

    Trump is a leftist. It is going to take his election and piss poor governance for some of you to see this.

  184. Combine Dave says:

    Trump is a leftist. It is going to take his election and piss poor governance for some of you to see this.

    He wants to remove restrictions on business (and the whole trade tirade against China appears to be a calculated move to force them to open their markets up further to America).

    Some leftist.

    I’ve listened to Trump’s responses to the cold hard fact that David Duke has actively encouraged his followers to vote for Trump several times now.

    Reminiscent of how Howard kept getting pillared in the media for not ‘disavowing’ himself of Hanson and the ON Party.

  185. . says:

    He wants to remove restrictions on business

    No, he doesn’t. He wants to use eminent domain to favour some businesses. Read his policies. He is a fucking nut.

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