Political idiots

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LIQ is not the only Roman with a view on this election. This is by Publius Decius Mus and the people he describes are everywhere to be seen:

To be a conservative or a Republican and to sit it out, or to criticize Trump, is in this circumstance to favor Hillary. That’s just a fact. Trump is the underdog and needs all the help he can get. Every defection or abandonment hurts him and makes it more likely that she will win. If she wins, she will be a disaster for the right and for the country—on precisely the terms that many others have always said she would. I therefore find it mind boggling that they could do anything, however slight, that might help her win.

These people are idiots, disgusting low-life political morons. It really is impossible to describe the imbecilic pomposity of anyone who takes an even-handed weighing up of both sides in the election this year, never mind those sunshine conservatives who are all-in for Hillary. Are they really that stupid, that out of it? If Hillary wins, there is no coming back.

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56 Responses to Political idiots

  1. Oh come on says:

    This election is driving people absolutely batty.

  2. curious george says:

    Are they really that stupid, that out of it?

    Well. yes, yes they are.

    And it doesn’t surprise me one bit at all.
    Why it doesn’t surprise me is because I came to realise many years ago that the world IS full of fucking idiots. Once you realise that there aren’t that many surprises.

  3. Mark A says:

    curious george

    Are they really that stupid, that out of it?

    Well. yes, yes they are.

    And it doesn’t surprise me one bit at all.
    Why it doesn’t surprise me is because I came to realise many years ago that the world IS full of fucking idiots. Once you realise that there aren’t that many surprises.

    Problem is, for most people it takes a lifetime or longer to realise this basic truth, or are the ‘fucking idiots’ themselves.

  4. struth says:

    The insanity of open borders versus national sovereignty is everything.
    I cannot believe the stupidity of those that are supposed to be from the right, that , through sheer bitterness, pomposity and a social fear, distance themselves from Trump and this battle.
    This situation is bigger than Trump and who he is, but we have a chance to fight.
    No borders, no country.
    The west or the death of it, and some widdle munchkins like to gwizzle about all da widdle fings they don’t wike about da Twumpy wumpy.

    FMD.

    There have always been these pissants, however, with so much at stake for the western world, with globalisation and the UN’s agenda, it is unforgiveable.

  5. Pusnip says:

    More calm, balanced and considered commentary from crazy Kates, ja?

  6. OneWorldGovernment says:

    curious george
    #2183943, posted on October 27, 2016 at 1:38 am

    Are they really that stupid, that out of it?

    Well. yes, yes they are.

    And it doesn’t surprise me one bit at all.
    Why it doesn’t surprise me is because I came to realise many years ago that the world IS full of fucking idiots. Once you realise that there aren’t that many surprises.

    It’s still scary to realise that.

  7. ella says:

    Pusnip’s family tree is a cactus and everyone on it is a prick.

  8. Tom says:

    As usual, Steve’s post appears above yet another piece of pooncey posturing by one of the Doomlord’s army of bowtie-twiddling fake conservative snobs disappointed that, by an accident of birth, he can’t vote for the Clinton kleptocracy.

  9. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus says:

    So Steve thinks ad hominem attack rather than logic is appropriate.

    These people are idiots, disgusting low-life political morons.

    How to address this? Best to ignore.

  10. Ant says:

    These people are idiots, disgusting low-life political morons.

    “Idiots” and “political morons” I can mostly agree with, because I think they will regret sitting it out or, God forbid, they should vote for Clinton and they care about the state of their nation and where it will go with her.

    “Disgusting lowlife” is just way too personal and the kind of talking that has placed many conservative Americans in the predicament they find themselves in.

    That they’re likely to tank Trump’s prospects at this stage is nobody’s fault but Trump’s.

  11. History says:

    At a moment in history, where everything they claim to care about is on the line, when they could do a small thing without personal risk, and they opt to do nothing (or worse)? Yeah, I’d say that’s pretty low – disgustingly so in fact. And Trump didn’t do that to them, that’s just who and what they are.

  12. fhb5 says:

    It’s really all about the Washington/Wall Street elite wanting to retain the preveledges both the Dems and Republicans have showered on them. A Clinton win guarantees that this will continue. It’s all about self interest.

  13. fhb5 says:

    That they’re likely to tank Trump’s prospects at this stage is nobody’s fault but Trump’s

    The fact that Trump can’t get his message out via 90% of the MSM and that 90% is incessantly reporting mostly unsubstantiated slime and refuses to report the huge array of Clinton negatives might also be a factor.

  14. Ant says:

    incessantly reporting mostly unsubstantiated slime and refuses to report the huge array of Clinton negatives might also be a factor.

    Which of it is “unsubstantiated” slime? What I’ve mostly seen is indeed slime and politically mostly irrelevant, but unsubstantiated? Not really.

    This is the one of the key issues I’ve had with Trump.

    4 years ago the media was going nuts trying to concoct scandals against Romney which were pure nonsense – “binders for women”, dogs on the roof of his car, cutting some kid’s hair in high school, killing an employee, etc.

    This time, thanks to Trump, they haven’t had to twist the facts about him; merely report them over and over.

  15. fhb5 says:

    Apart from the Bus tape what has been substantiated?

  16. Mother Lode says:

    I am not sure where the conservatives-having-the-vapours are coming from.

    There are two possible outcomes – Trump or Illary. Standing at the back assuming a mien of dignified detachment does not achieve anything. All this prattling about saving conservatism under a Clinton presidency is delusional.

    People either vote for Trump or not. Not voting just lowers the number of votes Illary needs.

  17. Anne says:

    From Steve’s third link:

    I just edited in one small clarification at the end.

    If Hillary wins, there will still be a country, in the sense of a geographic territory with a people, a government, and various institutions. Things will mostly look the same, just as—outwardly—Rome changed little on the ascension of Augustus.

    It will not be tyranny or Caesarism—not yet.
    But it will represent, in my view, an irreversible triumph for the administrative state Fascism.

  18. Anne says:

    Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
    #2184014, posted on October 27, 2016 at 6:47 am
    So Steve thinks ad hominem attack rather than logic is appropriate.

    These people are idiots, disgusting low-life political morons.

    Lucius, what was it that made you twig think Steve was talking about you?

  19. Mayan says:

    Trump is not a considered strategy. Instead, he is a grenade thrown into the room, with the hope that things might improve. The problem with grenades is they tend to blow things up.

  20. Indolent says:

    The face of fascism

    No borders, no country.

    Simple isn’t it?

  21. No Eynestine says:

    From all my readings of Steve Kates’s writing and thought he has always come across as a rational and civilised person, one of integrity.

    He now reminds me of myself when I was younger and being bullied. My parents had always advised me against fighting and violence, as a result at one point I became the victim of bullying and as a result of my training I was completely unprepared to deal with it. Eventually, after being punched in the back (always the back) enough I reached a point of no return and and turned and smacked the cunt in the face.

    All bullying stopped after that.

    Mr Kate’s seems to have reached that point.

    How do civilised individuals deal with the mongrels behind the Hillary campaign, they are prepared to do anything, sacrifice anyone(not themselves of course) to bully their way to power. What can Hillary bring but 4-8 more years of Obama or worse. And then there are the softcocks like Lucius who would put aside all of the evidenced abuse of the system by Hillary and her team, the actual crimes, the sacrificing of the souls at Bengazi, the sacrificing of the women abused by her husband the out and out fraud of the American public by Clintons pay for play deals, the warmongering in Lybia that has eventuated in so much suffering, death and human displacement.

    Steve effectively calls Lucius a moron, a gentle appellation, considering.

  22. thefrolickingmole says:

    I think there was a telling little bit on the Kelly/Gingrich interview where Newt calls her out for saying “sexual predator” over and over about Trump.
    He challenges her to say the same about Bill Clinton, which she repeatedly refuses to do.

    Pretty gutless effort i thought, and fairly revealing of the wet establishment.

  23. jupes says:

    Pretty gutless effort i thought, and fairly revealing of the wet establishment.

    Indeed.

  24. . says:

    Mayan
    #2184133, posted on October 27, 2016 at 9:31 am
    Trump is not a considered strategy. Instead, he is a grenade thrown into the room, with the hope that things might improve. The problem with grenades is they tend to blow things up.

    I agree. Trump has good policies. Far better than I expected. This is why Hillary is getting personal.

    However, attacking potential supporters? I’m not sure that is going to get him over the line. Maybe it is necessary if the political establishment is as entrenched as the disenfranchised Americans say so.

    I reckon Trump could win if he reaches out to undecideds, libertarians and constitutionalists – and win easily.

    He needs someone to shut up the loons like Danney Williams that discredit him. Hillary is slinging enough BS already.

    It is amazing that she is running – she is medically unfit, at best incompetent and probably a crook.

  25. John Comnenus says:

    Hillary Clinton is a dangerous lunatic is far too likely to cause a war with Russia.

    She is a high risk for two reasons:

    1. Her no fly zone plan for Syria is an accident waiting to happen. With Russian and Syrian planes flying in the air space it is a high risk that either:

    a. the Russians accidentally fly into the no-fly zone and the US accidentally shoots down their aircraft putting us all in a far too uncomfortable position; or
    b. the Russians treat it as Syria treated Obama’s chemical weapons red line and deliberately fly in knowing the USA will back down thereby exposing the essential weakness of the USA.

    Both outcomes are very bad for everyone involved, especially the USA and her core allies like Australia. And why would you take such a risk? The US, and Australia, is in effect fighting ISIS on one hand and protecting ISIS allies from Syria and Russia on the other. There is no US or Australian interest in Syria worth the risk of a hot war with Russia.

    2. Clinton has so much criminal baggage leaked and floating out their in the internet that she needs ever larger distractions to prevent people looking seriously at her crimes. She has chosen to blame Russia for all her problems and is likely to keep escalating to obscure the truth. Will she escalate too far – I think it highly likely. This is why in any sane vetting system she would be ineligible for a baseline security clearance let alone have access to everything.

    3. Finally Clinton is probably compromised by many international intersts – charity is not the only reason corrupt countries pay into another country’s corrupt system. This is an investment to use as leverage when you need a favour. Clinton’s foreign policy is just as likely to be driven by people who have compromised her through corruption than the National Interest or long standing alliance interests.

    That is why anyone supporting Clinton is pushing the world much closer to a dangerous hot war with Russia than is necessary or warranted. Clinton is a massive risk to world stability and to Australia’s interests. Trump is not great on alliance issues but he is far better than Clinton. He will be reigned in and captured by the Military on Alliance management issues. Clinton is beyond the law and or control of any domestic power, but she is beholden to numerous foreign interests.

  26. Adelagado says:

    Trumps next speech should be….

    “If you don’t elect me, think carefully about this…

    You may get another chance to elect a woman. You may get another chance to elect an African American. You may even get a chance to elect an African American woman.

    But the Republican and Democrat parties will ensure you never, ever, get another chance to elect someone who is not a professional politician”

  27. Norman Church says:

    I am not sure why anybody is surprised by the vicious personal attacks on Trump. Whether justified or not, the fact remains that every right wing candidate can expect treatment of this nature. And I do mean every candidate. There are far too many people who feel the need to lionise politicians representing the party or side of politics they support and to demonise their opponents. So many of these nutjobs are in the MSM. The level of devotion is akin to a mental disorder. From observation of recent elections in Australia, the USA and UK, I have a much keener insight into how the Hitlers and Stalins of the world managed to receive support from the populace despite being monstrous tyrants.

  28. John Comnenus says:

    The left wing media is a permanent smear machine, the totalitarian attack dog of the Left. It has debased politics across the Western World. Trump has exposed this with his 91% negative coverage.

    If he wins, and I am still moderately hopeful, it will be against unbelievable odds.

  29. ella says:

    Lucius –

    Do you understand what constitutes an *ad hominem attack….fallacy*?

    You should always address the arguments rather than play the man. However, if the man (so to speak) is corrupt and you have evidence of the corruption then the man is the problem as well as the arguments. Therefore, his character needs calling into question.

    Recently, an American philosopher took apart some of Hillary Clinton’s arguments ; and then he called Clinton ‘a lying scumbag’.

    The philospher understands this is possible and so does Doc. Kates.

    You’re making a fool of yourself, Lucius. If it is any consolation, I’ve become angry and done it myself. Even my hero, BigHenry, on another blog site, stopped talking about quantum physics last week and said the ‘eff’ word. What-is-worse, BigHenry, spelled it in full with an ‘off’ on the end.

    It’s very bad in the USA when BigHenry gets that angry.

  30. Chistery says:

    Steve has taken over Sinc on being on the wrong side of the Delcon movement.

  31. gbees says:

    If Hillary wins it will be the end of America as we have known it. Maybe Australia should consider refugee Americans rather than from other places on Earth.

  32. 1234 says:

    If Hillary wins, there is no coming back. Hey Steve. Is that a promise? Will you go and not come back>

    In any case I think Kates is moving through the stages of grief, moving on from denial and isolation and anger to bargaining. He might even get to depression and then acceptance by mid November, if not January.

  33. stackja says:

    5678, who do we appreicate?

  34. mh says:

    …never mind those sunshine conservatives who are all-in for Hillary

    Many of these are not sunshine conservatives. They are shills. P.J. O’Rourke is a classic shill.

  35. Terry says:

    “he is a grenade thrown into the room”

    When the enemy is in that room, a grenade is a perfectly useful device.

    “The problem with beauty of grenades is they tend to blow things up.”

    It’s only a problem if you’re too close to your enemy.

    Many of the apologists for Clinton are indeed, too close. Oh well.

  36. Mark from Melbourne says:

    Trump is not a considered strategy. Instead, he is a grenade thrown into the room, with the hope that things might improve. The problem with grenades is they tend to blow things up.

    Spot on Mayan.

    It is a measure of the absolute desperation of the silenced conservatives that they consider that just about any conceivable collateral damage is worth the risk. Flight 93 indeed.

  37. Muddy says:

    The problem with grenades is they tend to blow things up.

    And using something for exactly the purpose it was designed and built is a bad thing?

  38. cohenite says:

    It is amazing that she is running – she is medically unfit, at best incompetent and probably a crook.

    Probably! Fuck me dead. Apart from standing there with a wad of cash up her clacker, a smoking gun and a room full of corpses I don’t know what else she needs to do to convince people she is as bent as a turnip.

  39. cohenite says:

    Trump is not a considered strategy. Instead, he is a grenade thrown into the room, with the hope that things might improve. The problem with grenades is they tend to blow things up.

    And what is a considered strategy to what Hillary is and represents? Are you one of those people who thinks a considered dialogue can occur with islam?

  40. tgs says:

    Kates has always been a bit unhinged, but I had assumed that given his posts were largely around calssical economics that the blog proprietor(s) allowed him a bit of leeway in the interests of a plurality of views, freedom of speech and all that.

    But his recent stuff on Trump is a whole new level of crazy and downright stupid. Just because people may not be as insanely enthusiastic about a potential president Trump as Kates is they must be disgusting low-lives? Do the other authors on this blog really want to be associated with this sort of thing? Sinclair? Judith? Rafe? Sparticus?

    FFS Kates, do you have any shred of self-awareness, humility or any concept that maybe, just maybe, you don’t have every single answer to every single f-ing question..? You don’t have a monopoly on the principles of conservatism or even general decency and just because people might not be as convinced as you that Trump would make a good president doesn’t mean they are bad people. Just because they aren’t willing to piss away their morals on frankly the least principled ‘conservative’ the GOP has managed to put up in living memory doesn’t give you the right to judge their character.

    Grow up.

  41. dover_beach says:

    I can’t help but LOL at people who are pretending that anyone that may be supporting Trump has “piss[ed] away their morals on frankly the least principled ‘conservative’ the GOP has managed to put up in living memory” while at the same time claiming that people of principle can disagree about matters political.

    The lack of “any shred of self-awareness, humility” is breathtaking.

  42. tgs says:

    Feel free to laugh all you want, champ. His actions speak for themselves.

    There are plenty of good reasons to think that Trump would be a better candidate than Hillary. Many of which I agree with, others I don’t.

    I’m just not so insanely up my own a** that I think that anyone who holds a different view is a disgusting low-life.

  43. stackja says:

    Lincoln was change for the GOP too.

  44. stackja says:

    Champ Clark?

  45. cohenite says:

    His actions speak for themselves.

    What actions?

  46. LGS says:

    I think any so-called “Republicans” selling their principles down the river and backing Hillary are in for a very rude shock.
    If Clinton gets in prepare for at least two, maybe three terms of Democrat government.
    Possibly even longer.
    The best chance the Republicans would have if Clinton is elected, is that she is impeached.
    Once the Democrats get more local people and poor immigrants on the taxpayer teat, it will be extremely difficult to get them off it, or vote Republican for that matter.

  47. Dan Phillips says:

    If Clinton gets in prepare for at least two, maybe three terms of Democrat government.
    Possibly even longer.

    Prepare for Democratic governments for the rest of time. Hillary will grant amnesty to 30 million illegals, who will all vote Democrat. She will open the borders to immigrants who will also all vote Democrat. It will no longer be possible for the Republicans to win an election ever again. On top of that, Hillary will stack the Supreme Court with leftists. The United States will be over.

  48. alexnoaholdmate says:

    These people are idiots, disgusting low-life political morons. It really is impossible to describe the imbecilic pomposity of anyone who takes an even-handed weighing up of both sides in the election this year…

    Again: what is it about Donald Trump that drives people – on both sides – to such insanity?

  49. alexnoaholdmate says:

    How to address this? Best to ignore.

    I agree with you, Lucius.

    But sometimes ad hominem is irresistible and the person deserves it, even if it doesn’t contribute to the conversation.

    For example – even though you’re right, you’re still a Clinton-loving closet Lefty who would be more at home in the Democrats, or the Labor Party here, and who probably has a poster of the Potentially Greatest PM in his room that he kneels before and asks forgiveness of before going to bed and touching himself under the blankets while listening to Turnbull’s ‘Victory’ speech on the headphones.

    See what I mean? Liberating.

  50. NewChum says:

    A lot of credit being given to Clinton here, undeservedly.

    Some speak as though she has policies or plans.

    Read the leaked emails. Her staff despise her, can’t get access to her, and don’t even know what their position is on anything. All the discussion is a group spitballing session on what might make a good news cycle. The only thing we know that came from Hillary directly is that she wanted to break FEC laws to get people to wear Donald Duck suits thinking it would be a raging media success..

    A Clinton White House would be a Gillard term disaster x 10 – with 10x the boaters, 10x the deficit. Lowoit and 10x the daily screw ups. Despite rigging the primary and corrupting half the DNC Sanders still made major inroads.

    It’s 10 days until the election and she isn’t even campaigning. How anyone could support that is beyond belief. More corrupt than Nixon, more useless than Carter, as unhealthy as Roosevelt. What a pick!

  51. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus, you might be a person of some standing, or not. You might have an august reputation to protect, or not.

    Either way, until you post your name here like, Steve, and prove the courage of your convictions, like Steve, you are just another anonymous eunuch.

  52. Crossie says:

    The insanity of open borders versus national sovereignty is everything.

    And not just the open borders, taking in any Muslim refugees is the same as importing your country’s executioners. That they do not integrate is the best case scenario.

  53. cohenite says:

    More corrupt than Nixon, more useless than Carter, as unhealthy as Roosevelt.

    What about Bill’s sexuality?

  54. . says:

    tgs
    #2184398, posted on October 27, 2016 at 2:34 pm
    Feel free to laugh all you want, champ. His actions speak for themselves.

    There are plenty of good reasons to think that Trump would be a better candidate than Hillary. Many of which I agree with, others I don’t.

    I’m just not so insanely up my own a** that I think that anyone who holds a different view is a disgusting low-life.

    Spot on. Many of us like Trump’s policies but his supporters are repulsive, swivel-eyed fanatics.

    Worse than Randroids.

  55. Bruce says:

    From several reports, Hitlery has an eye for the ladies.

    Apparently, there’s nothing wrong with that, so it must have been OK for “Slick Willy”. Probably one of those “open marriages”, or some such.

    Ain’t political logic wonderful?

    The quaint term, “situational ethics”, springs to mind.

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