The meaning of Donald

I have to say that while I am enjoying all of the reactions from those who have opposed Trump heart and soul and are now desolate, and the revelations of all those Sunshine Conservatives who I had not known had wanted him to win, it does still seem to me that in everything I read there is almost no recognition why he won. And the reason he won was because he is against open borders and for the preservation of our nation states. If you don’t mention The Wall, you still don’t get the point. Let me therefore repeat this again:

The one and only issue is open borders. This belief that anyone can migrate anywhere and it won’t make any difference of any kind is such a stupidity that I have to say that when I hear it I can only think I am dealing with political morons who are incapable of learning any lessons from the fantastic array of social instruction to be seen at every turn.

Europe at this very moment is being invaded and only a minority of these invaders are Syrian refugees with nowhere else to go. The news we get is minimal. Every so often the media is forced to cover some part of it, such as “Cologne”, or “Malmo” or “Charlie Hebdo”, but as rapidly as it is possible to go back to other things, it is dropped and nothing more is said. Were it not for Drudge, I would feel I would not know a thing about what is going on. We have in no sense a free press, and the ridicule that Trump pours on the people who are covering him warms me. It is you, who cannot see through the media attack squads that get me down. No writer for any Murdoch paper in the world – and aside from The Daily Mail, his are the best there are – will ever say a positive word about Trump. There is this migrating evil in the world, and you cannot find it in the news you read. Trump is a phenomenon because he, for very particular reasons, does not depend on the media or outside money to get his message across.

There may be an effort from the usual suspects to divert attention from the absolutely central issue – the identical issue that was at the heart of Brexit – but I do not think Trump will be diverted. He will build his wall, immigration will be controlled and The Australian Model will be applied everywhere, even in Australia.

ANN COULTER ADDITION: Trump Victory Boils Down To “Globalism vs. Nationality”.

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84 Responses to The meaning of Donald

  1. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Not so sure there, Steve. I think it is more multi-faceted. The theme of taking things back from the left extends to more than borders. It’s about the rest of us getting our voice back, if we continue to work to take it. So many opportunities. Is there any possibility of leveraging the momentum?

  2. It also helped that he was running against the most hated woman in America. The woman who called a terrorist attack a “protest” (against White American Racists).

  3. Fisky

    The one and only issue is open borders. This belief that anyone can migrate anywhere and it won’t make any difference of any kind is such a stupidity that I have to say that when I hear it I can only think I am dealing with political morons who are incapable of learning any lessons from the fantastic array of social instruction to be seen at every turn.

    I actually believe it is a psychiatric or cognitive illness.

  4. John Comnenus

    I wouldn’t want to be an Elon Musk shareholder. Once all that subsidy driven enviro croney capitalism is stopped Musk will be insolvent.

  5. rafiki

    A lot of people do get this point. Take Pauline Hanson’s maiden Senate speech. When she speaks of Muslims she is referring to the illegal entrants, and when a lot of people vote for her this is in their minds. Remember too the ‘Tampa’ election (although other factors were in play there too); Howard’s “we will decide …” speech, and who inaugurated the Australian model. That said, there are of course other factors, and thy coalesce as a perfect storm of anger and rejection of other parties.

  6. Fat Tony

    Nelson Kidd-Players

    Sure, you’re correct – it is multi-faceted…but without stopping the Islamic invasion (& controlling the borders), we won’t be taking anything back from the left

  7. kc

    While I know there were lots of issue “in play” this result was all about security. Basic tribal instincts which we all inherit about safety of self and family above all else. It then plays out in many forms. If you can’t get a job, can’t afford a roof over your head, can’t see a future where you can protect and provide. As it was in Brexit and as it is with Trump and as it will be with Le Penne in France. While yes, it’s about the economy stupid, the economics impacts of open borders and lack of being able to feel safe in one’s own home (and country) is the root cause. Steve, you called it early, called it loud and copped plenty on the “cat” as a result. You have every right to feel pretty smug. You will get to feel even better when Trump does an Abbott (stop the boats) and builds the wall that “can never be built”, shuts down the border with Mexico and gets them to pay for it (by cutting aid to the amount of the cost of the wall) and starts shipping undocumented immigrants home. One of the many differences between Trump and Abbott is Trump really doesn’t care what the bleeding hearts think. He is the reset button for Western Civilisation. Sometimes the reset button works, sometimes the whole system is so stuffed that it doesn’t. Time will tell but to my mind , just like hitting reset on a PC, it is a risk, but a risk worth taking.

  8. Paul

    Michael Moore the socialist film maker did a film, Trumpland, where he states:

    “The dispossessed will walk into that voting booth… and put a big … X right next to the name of the man who has threatened to upend and overturn the very system that has ruined their lives. Donald J. Trump,” he explained. “They see that the elites who ruined their lives hate Trump, corporate America hates Trump, Wall Street hates Trump, the career politicians hate Trump, the media hates Trump”

    The dispossessed who had their lives ruined, by the closure of industries and the replacement of American workers by illegal immigrants, and the welfare seeking immigrants at the preference to and expense of the dispossessed workers.
    Yes it does come down to open borders, but also the the Climate scam, Obama care,the gender and identity politics which HRC played on.
    In the end, Obama only wanted his legacy to continue, HRC only wanted to be the first woman president, and only Trump saw the real picture and listened to the dispossessed.

  9. Combine Dave

    The one and only issue is open borders. This belief that anyone can migrate anywhere and it won’t make any difference of any kind is such a stupidity that I have to say that when I hear it I can only think I am dealing with political morons who are incapable of learning any lessons from the fantastic array of social instruction to be seen at every turn.

    Dot, get in here!

  10. mareeS

    “only Trump saw the real picture and listened to the dispossessed.”

    Yes, and that is why the elites will continue to fail.

    They just don’t listen.

  11. Zatara

    The one and only issue is open borders.

    If you want a one and only issue, it would be the Supreme Court.

    Nothing can be done about any of the other issues if you lose the Court.

  12. arrrr

    I feel it should be called “The Abbott Model” in honour of the man who perfected it

  13. Harald

    “More nuanced arguments” typically come from exactly those types that have been so devastatingly rejected : politicians, think-tankers, consultants, media, etc..

    Georgina Downer is a good example of people who simply do not get it, writing:

    Trump’s first priority will be to boost the US economy and create jobs.

    Boosting the economy, creating jobs?
    If true, when why did they not nominate Jeb Bush, or even Marco Rubio in the primary? If it is just about the econ and jerbs, would they not have been the far less risky choice than a complete outsider?

    It is not that difficult:
    Trump – the outsider – was elected because the electorate rightly concluded that the current crop of politicians was not going to do what the electorate wanted done. So an outsider was the only option.

    The meaning of The Donald is that now there is a once in a lifetime opportunity to set those things straight which professional politicians have refused to fix for a generation. Closing the border is very high on that Trump’s to do list.

    It is exactly that part of the Trump agenda that the professional politicians, think-tankers, consultants and media type disagree with. So bring on the distractions. And let’s call it “nuanced”.

  14. MotherHubbard'sDog

    The best short summary of why Trump has been elected (that I have seen, at any rate) is that the social contract has been broken. Too many people in Middle America have been betrayed by multiple acts of the political, academic, media and business elites, all of whom have mightily enriched themselves while stabbing the middle class.

    Whether Trump can do enough to repair the broken social contract is another matter. He will still face a lot of opposition. But at least he’ll be trying.

  15. OldOzzie

    Steve,

    to me it was the above and all the points he raised in

    Donald Trump’s Trump’s ‘Gettysburg address’ makes closing argument for choosing him and unveils first-100-days agenda as he promises ‘the kind of change that only arrives once in a lifetime’
    ‘First 100 days’ agenda speech formalised his mainstay political pledges with promises of legislation and executive orders

    TRUMP’S ANTI-CORRUPTION TO-DO LIST

    1. Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on members of Congress
    2. Hiring freeze on federal employees to reduce the workforce through attrition
    3. Requirement to eliminate two federal regulations for every new one

    4. Five-year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists
    5. Lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying for foreign governments
    6. Complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections

    TRUMP’S PLEDGES ON IMMIGRATION AND ‘RULE OF LAW’

    1. Cancel Obama’s ‘unconstitutional’ executive actions, memoranda and orders
    2. Pick a conservative replacement for Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia
    3. Cancel all federal funding to ‘sanctuary cities’ that harbor illegal immigrants
    4. Begin removing the 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the U.S., and cancel visas to countries that won’t repatriate them
    5. Suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where incoming people can’t be properly vetted.

    TRUMP’S PLAN FOR JOBS AND TRADE

    1. Renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement or withdraw from it
    2. Withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership
    3. Order the secretary of the treasury to label China a ‘currency manipulator’
    4. Use U.S. and international laws to end foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers
    5. Lift restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of U.S. energy reserves including shale, oil, natural gas and coal
    6. Approve the Keystone XL pipeline project and other ‘vital energy infrastructure projects’
    7. Cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to improve U.S. water and environmental infrastructure

    I especially like

    7. Cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to improve U.S. water and environmental infrastructure

    While today, Lord Waffles of Wentworth Turdbull and Backstabbing Julie Bishop ratified the Paris UN Climate Agreement, whilst a real leader Donald Trump cans it.

    as well as

    Begin removing the 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the U.S., and cancel visas to countries that won’t repatriate them

    If Countries won’t take their illegal immigrants back from Australia – then we should “cancel visas to countries that won’t repatriate them”

  16. Mayan

    Zero sum thinking won a while back, leaving the USA to gyrate between orthodoxies.

    It seems to me there is a chance of the US splitting. Not a high probability, and not in the way a Russian academic suggested a few years ago, but perhaps more along 1861 lines, perhaps with the west coast being the block that could most easily break away. Unlike 1861, it seems less likely that the rest would fight to keep them; the attitude would probably be one of ‘good riddance’.

  17. Eddystone

    “Nuanced”.

    Huh, the proles told them to shove nuanced where the sun don’t shine!

  18. NewChum

    Post is correct.

    I was in a bar in the USA with two staunch republicans and a Spanish visitor in summer 2015, not long after Trumps original ‘build the wall, throw out the Mexicans’ speech.

    I said he was probably going to win that. The Spanish guy was incredulous that it could even be said. The two republicans scoffed at the idea and talked about novelty candidates, and how they always fade before the serious guy gets in.

    I knew different. I lived through the Howard, Rudd/Gillard and Abbot open borders wars. I knew that people say nothing but vote to stop uninvited invaders. I knew Abbot won and open borders was dead. I told people he would probably win. I don’t think I believed it myself at the time. After San Bernadino and the anti-Islam speech I knew he was a very good chance. Sometimes all you have to be is the person that says the unsayable, breaks the taboo and the wind is at your back.

  19. J.H.

    Actually Coulter said it so well in that clip. “Globalism v Nationality” That puts it in a nutshell. She then explains that Urban elites are insulated from the economic realities that the rest of America faces.

    This city, she says (New York) and others like it, don’t know the reality of the situation face by the rest of the country. She’s dead right.

    Anne Coulter points out. Leave the cities and “Go out into America” ( I love the way she pointedly said that)…. and you will see people really hurting. Globalism has destroyed their jobs, but Wall Street is raking in the money for the Urban elites by setting up Global deals, while the rest of the country see their jobs and opportunities destroyed, their local economies wiped out. All in the name of Globalism.

    Then to add insult to injury, the leadership of that same Elite, then throw the borders open and bring in countless immigrants to be welfare recipients while White America are reduced to being no more than tax slaves or welfare serfs themselves.

    Ann Coulter has the measure of them.

  20. And Another Thing

    I’d like to see a lot of cash taken out of organisations that promote leftards causes. Our taxes are used to fund these groups who are against everything we stand for.
    It would be great if this money could be used to produce something of value and boost the economy rather than to tear down the fabrics of society and promote fear campaigns about the weather and generally pester anyone who voices an opinion.

  21. Bruce of Newcastle

    The fun thing if Hillary had won is conservatives would be depressed (about things like SCOTUS) but still hopeful of her conviction for the various unlawful actions which have been revealed in the leaks.

    The hysteria of the left seems to have little to do with what Trump actually says or does, and more to do with what the wolf criers say that he says and does, or might say and do.

    Well it’ll be an entertaining ride.

  22. one old bruce

    If you include internal invasion inside the EU, from the poorer east to the prosperous west, then yes Brexit was about that. Swarms of eastern Europeans showing up in small towns in the Midlands and taking over, that was how the problem was immediately percieved.

  23. calli

    Shouldn’t it be:

    Trump’s first priority will be to boost the US economy and to create jobs?

    Cute about Ivanka and the “working families” too.

  24. Arnost

    It seems to me there is a chance of the US splitting.

    Absolute bollocks!

    Had a look at the voting map? Which blue smudge do you reckon will split away?

    MAP by County

  25. Boambee John

    Mayan at 1630

    I could see the west coast and north east seceding from Trumpland in the not too distant future. They will want to save their perks from the wreckage.

    Had Clinton won, the secession would have been the rest, leaving the west coast and north east behind.

    Either way, I think there would have been a split.

  26. MotherHubbard'sDog

    PS to my earlier post, here is an excellent article outlining the ways in which the social contract has been broken, and not just in the US https://www.tradingfloor.com/posts/steens-chronicle-the-social-contract-is-broken-7294085

  27. Ellen of Tasmania

    I’m thinking ‘drain the swamp’ went down pretty well, too. Especially after the Wiki leaked.

    Even more satisfying when the good Trumpers saw DC go almost completely to the swamp-lady.

    But yes, Globalists vs. Nationalists, and noticing now that ‘nationalist’ is a new dirty word, usually tagged on after racist, xenophobe etc.

    They may as well add ‘culturalists’ and ‘family-ists’ to their list of deplorables. You know they want to.

  28. iampeter

    Hey Steve, I’m as happy as you are that Hillary has been stopped from getting the Presidency as she is as corrupt as it comes. Also watching Leftist heads explode is sheer joy. However, if the meaning of Trump is anti-immigration and anti-globalization then I think you are making the same mistake that many Conservatives make and are looking at the symptoms instead of the actual issue.

    The actual issue is the out of control regulatory and welfare state, it’s just our bloated, big government. The solution to all our problems is to get back to sound individualist principles and advocate for capitalism and limited government.

    For example:
    You want to stop the wrong immigrants coming here to sit on our welfare, then fight to abolish the welfare system.
    You want to stop our businesses from going overseas, then fight to abolish the regulations making business impossible in Australia
    You want to defeat terrorism, then support a properly equipped and led military as well as coalition building to militarily annihilate what is a military NOT a police threat
    And so forth…

    The problem for Conservatives and the reason they evade the issue of out of control government and instead just blame immigrants or “globalization” is because they are largely responsible for our out of control government, with the most Left Wing and largest government growing legislation been implemented by Conservatives over the last century. In America or Australia it’s not really the “traditional” Left’s fault in most cases. In short Conservatives can no longer make the case for limited government or capitalism and still remain Conservatives. That would require unattainable mental gymnastics.

    Don’t fall for that evasion, focus on the real issue which is fighting the out of control state.

    I hope Trump does too, but I fear he will instead follow through with imposing tariffs which will further erode the middle class through spiking costs of basic goods, build a wall which in a decade or two will actually be used to stop people fleeing the States and will not decisively defeat Islamists in the field which will allow the terrorist threat to at best remain as is but more likely grow.

    I still think he is a much better choice than Hillary but if he goes down the Collectivist Conservative path I describe above then it really may as well have been a Hillary win.

  29. Michael Cunningham aka Faustino aka Genghis Cunn

    You say that “No writer for any Murdoch paper in the world … will ever say a positive word about Trump.” Chris Kenny in today’s Australian: “…Donald Trump revealed himself as a formidable and perceptive political brawler. … Trump has been a powerful political force because, for all of his vulgarity and excesses, he picked the fault lines in an America that is diminished globally, suffering economic contortions and battling porous borders.” Sounds positive to me.

  30. a happy little debunker

    I’m happy enough to be thought of as a fair weather friend – I thought he was being beaten to death by the media and the party machines arrayed against him.

    I still have concerns that he is too closely aligned with BIG LEFT – rather than the little guy.
    Anyone but Hillary!

  31. Kool Aid Kid

    If it’s all about borders then why is the first reaction a bond market leap? Trump is going to borrow a very large amount of money to try to buy his re-election. I’m betting no wall is included. https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2016-11-09/bond-yield-curve-steeper-on-big-trump-spending-plans

  32. Free Advice

    I think the biggest issue is the people simply want a President who is not sharia compliant.

    They want a strong leader, not a weak leader like the current crop.

  33. Barry Bones

    Good on ya Kates. You dug in when others were pussies. Let’s build that Bew-Di-ful wall !!

  34. Bruce of Newcastle

    I still have concerns that he is too closely aligned with BIG LEFT

    It’s a reasonable fear, but I suspect when he was a registered Democrat it was because he was doing lots of business in Atlantic City.

    Secondly he’s 70 and that is old enough to consider that there’s not much left that you can do. So this looks to me the ultimate challenge he has set himself – win or lose it all. I think he really means it when he says he wants to MAGA. The people he is putting in also show his intentions – they are competent but not insiders or from the elites (except maybe Christie, but he’s just the cat wrangler).

  35. PICarl

    Let’s say we had “open borders”. People from one place decide to save, work hard, forgo in the present and invest for the future. They build dams, roads, factories, hospitals. Then people who lived it up move there because they can. The savers and builders find they all their sacrifices were for nothing plus it’s now more crowded with all those who came to take. The savers and builds learn that Open Borders means no investment and building is possible. It’s a race to the bottom: who can bludge and take the most.

  36. Heretic

    @Zatara. No, you’re wrong. Without closing the borders first nothing can be conserved. Had Trump not been elected America would never have had a conservative president again. Demographics are destiny. The biggest lesson people are going to learn in the 21st century, how ever much they wish it was otherwise, is that race is more than skin deep. Culture is a manifestation of genetics. Anyone who has travelled will note that immigrants always try to turn their new ‘home’ into a remake of their old, no matter how shitty it was and how desperate they were to escape. Californication* is a subset of this.

    *Californication is when Californians who have fucked up their own state through their politics move to another state and then agitate for the exact same politics.

  37. Rob MW

    Some of the best tv viewing happening on abc24 analyzing the Trump victory from their central commie-vision for the whole world, comedy central it is.

    Just awhile ago a finance segment was interviewing a red haired heifer-lump expert (probably a Shorthorn) who expertly stated that Trump’s low taxation policies and higher infrastructure spending did not add up. My better half was listening from the kitchen quipped out loud that it should be obvious to the abc that Mr Trump knows more about money matters than the red haired expert. Well obviously darling I said 🙂 Lol.

    Well done Mr Trump, shake that commie-socialist-globalist-crony capitalist-elitist tree. Fuck em !!!!

  38. vlad

    I believe he won for a lot of reasons; primarily because of Emailgate – and deservedly so.

    Also because he had a clear message to sell: that the Beltway careerists like HRC have run America into the ground.

    But finally because he believes in American values; thank God someone still does.

    God bless America. And God bless Donald Trump.

  39. Mark from Melbourne

    It seems to me there is a chance of the US splitting. Not a high probability, and not in the way a Russian academic suggested a few years ago, but perhaps more along 1861 lines, perhaps with the west coast being the block that could most easily break away. Unlike 1861, it seems less likely that the rest would fight to keep them; the attitude would probably be one of ‘good riddance’.

    I think you are both right and wrong, Mayan.

    Right in that there is the definite possibility of some sort of split, but wrong in that I doubt it would just be the west coast.

    I can certainly see almost an Indian Partition situation occurring, where we would see East and West Progressivestan split, but I can’t see – right now – a way that either coast could cling to the solid centre in any split.

    But in any event, the solid centre would certainly shrug, I think. Might make southern port city real estate a tad more valuable!

  40. .

    PICarl
    #2203020, posted on November 10, 2016 at 7:12 pm
    Let’s say we had “open borders”. People from one place decide to save, work hard, forgo in the present and invest for the future. They build dams, roads, factories, hospitals. Then people who lived it up move there because they can. The savers and builders find they all their sacrifices were for nothing plus it’s now more crowded with all those who came to take. The savers and builds learn that Open Borders means no investment and building is possible. It’s a race to the bottom: who can bludge and take the most.

    Interesting. You think bludgers don’t use public monies as long as there is zero immigration.

    Australia had massive capital inflows and immigration in colonial times.

  41. John Comnenus

    Wow. The commentators who got everything about Trump are now saying he will be a miserable failure and a one term president who will struggle to get anything through a republican house and senate because mainstream republicans hate his positions. Why does anyone ask them questions.

    My hot tip is that Trump will get his 100 day plan because it is the turbo charged version of what Republicans always say they want. He will generate a massive jobs and wealth boom and then the Senate next time around has a lot more Dem Senators up for re-electionfrom places like the rust belt. My tip is he will have a filibuster proof majority and be a very President.

  42. Fergal Belligerence

    What sort of ambition is that? The US needs much more than a border fix.

  43. Combine Dave

    Interesting. You think bludgers don’t use public monies as long as there is zero immigration.

    Having crap loads of welfare dependent local bludgers is not an incentive to bring in more from MENA…

    Australia had massive capital inflows and immigration in colonial times.

    True and likely true even now.

  44. egg_

    shake that commie-socialist-globalist-crony capitalist-elitist tree

    Open boarders seems like stage 2 of the western socialist platform behind ‘Green’ Energy; Frau Merkel realising its problems only too late – or was she aware of the US Dems internal polling?

  45. John, my reading is the same. A very fast paced and, for some very bumpy, first hundred days. His intolerance for talking will frustrate many but his speed will leave them rushing to catch up.

    Newt Gingrich today warned that the establishment will use ‘honeyed words’ to encourage him to take a more accommodating approach to the decisions. I suspect he will reject this and move at his own pace. Leaving all in his wake. He currently has a ton of political capital and I can’t see him burning it up uselessly on meeting the needs of the swamp.

  46. hzhousewife

    A very fast paced and, for some very bumpy, first hundred days.

    I can’t wait.
    If I were in WDC I would volunteer every moment of spare time to Trump to Get Things Done toot sweet.

  47. egg_

    He currently has a ton of political capital and I can’t see him burning it up uselessly on meeting the needs of the swamp.

    Unlike Abbott in the Credlin bunker.

  48. NewChum

    iampeter

    Sorry, open borders belongs with communism in the scrap heap of ‘ideas that might work well if purely implemented’

    Politics is downstream from culture. Culture is destroyed when bonds are broken from incompatible cultures.

    Open borders works – just – between NZ and Australia, and the USA and Canada.

    Welfare is not a bad thing if limited – caring for young, old and sick is the mark of a civilisation. If open borders only works with a pure, limited government when implemented between highly compatible cultures then you’ve got a university lab experiment but no way to organise a country.

    All societies build walls and borders to control people and trade. It’s the natural order of things.

    Open borders is dead, buried cremated.

  49. iampeter

    Sorry, open borders belongs with communism in the scrap heap of ‘ideas that might work well if purely implemented’

    Just to make sure we’re on the same page, when I talk about properly managed borders I mean, the only way you get knocked back is if you are criminal/threat/diseased or something. In all other respects we want as many immigrants as possible. Without a welfare/regulatory state the wrong people won’t come here as they will not be able to leech off anyone. Your fight is with the welfare state NOT immigrants.

    Politics is downstream from culture. Culture is destroyed when bonds are broken from incompatible cultures.

    I agree. But Western culture is about Reason and Individualism. Our culture doesn’t care what language you speak, what personal religious beliefs you have (if any), what ethnic group you are, whether you choose to “integrate” with other ethnic groups or choose to just stick to your own, etc. None of these things matter to someone who truly understands Western Culture.

    The only essential criteria is the respect for individual rights, the basic ability to agree to disagree and peacefully co-exist. This is how most of the modern Western world has been built since the Enlightenment. Not by anglo-judaeo-christians who happen to be the majority but not the culture as many Conservatives would have you believe.

  50. .

    Chum – you just had to slip trade in there didn’t you?

    I’m not even going to argue immigration because I’d accept Trump (or Cruz). [The best is the enemy of good].

    But arguing that we want to restrict trade flows? This is as bad as Zippherhead’s idea that Trump needs to trash Amazon into oblivion and MAGA by putting tens of thousands of Yanks out of work. Because he doesn;’t like the owner. But hey Obama using the IRS to go after his enemies was different.

  51. .

    Western culture is pretty terrible. If it is downstream from politics, let’s be honest: Aussies and Canucks are lefty weirdos who hate Trump because The Party and Big Brother said so. Trump faces a pit of RINO vipers in the US Senate. Theresa May is unlikely to deliver Brexit.New Zealand is slowly turning into a decent place but Key is unlikely to PM for more than another term or two.

    As much as I despise Putin, I see why he seems appealing.

  52. John Comnenus

    I can’t wait until the Liberal Party starts advocating ‘Trumponomics’, only to find out that it sounds a lot like what Abbott promised. The difference is Trump will actually deliver. He will improve his position in the House and Senate if he sticks with his program. If he does an Abbott or Turnbull and turns his back on his program and supporters he will get the same outcome the Libs have got.

  53. .

    Abbott wanted a glorious 15% tax rate? You’re dreamin’

  54. Fisky

    iampeter, what are you even doing over here? You are like a Communist in the year 1991 trying to explain why their totally-refuted-and-ground-into-the-dust ideology is still in with a shot.

    Give it up, you’ve lost massively.

  55. Fisky

    I still think he is a much better choice than Hillary but if he goes down the Collectivist Conservative path I describe above then it really may as well have been a Hillary win.

    A weirdo libertarian autist enters the time machine in 2006, steps out into 2016 and carries on like before.

  56. Top Ender

    ABC Poll needs your help

    How do you feel about Donald Trump’s victory as US President-Elect?
    Concerned 30%
    Terrified 27%
    Elated 20%
    Anxious 12%
    Confident 11%
    321 votes counted

    http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/polls/

  57. iampeter

    Individualism, Capitalism and limited government advocacy makes me a Communist?

    While calling for more powers to our already out of control government makes you what exactly?

  58. Fisky

    Individualism, Capitalism and limited government advocacy makes me a Communist?

    Oh my fucking god. Diagnosis confirmed. Over to you, Twostix!

  59. Heretic

    @iampeter: What you are describing is open borders and it would be even worse for Australia than the mess we have now. Expanding immigration was this countries biggest mistake.

  60. steve

    I think Trump or somebody like him was the only way to break crony big business, MSM , left wing poly’s strangle hold on the USA and hopefully Australia. Mr nice guy would have been swamped by the media group think . You may not like him but nobody else could have achieved what he has done.

  61. Lem

    Great quote from Anne Coulter, and the talking heads who are still amazed received it without a hint of understanding:

    “Apparently people like their countries…”

  62. Fisky

    That’s right steve. Any other Republican would have been Romneyed into a ditch by the DNC/Media. They stood no chance at all. Only Trump could have pulled this off.

    Sorry autists, but it’s true.

  63. Eyrie

    I think John Paul Jones said something like,” the Navy doesn’t want nice guys, the Navy wants tough SOB’s who can WIN”.
    Go Donald.

  64. Heretic

    @ dot. You have it backwards. Politics is downstream from culture. Culture is downstream from race/genetics.

  65. Fisky

    Great quote from Anne Coulter, and the talking heads who are still amazed received it without a hint of understanding:

    “Apparently people like their countries…”

    To understand this requires certain brain circuits/connections that only exist in normally constituted humans, not in weirdos who make up an outsized percentage of talking heads.

  66. Old School Conservative

    On a more important note, did anyone else notice there were some very beautiful women in Trump’s entourage as he wound his way to to the acceptance speech podium?

  67. memoryvault

    Old School Conservative
    #2203342, posted on November 10, 2016 at 10:48 pm

    No, Old School, I never noticed that.

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  68. Just to make sure we’re on the same page, when I talk about properly managed borders I mean, the only way you get knocked back is if you are criminal/threat/diseased or something. In all other respects we want as many immigrants as possible.

    No, we don’t.

    But Western culture is about Reason and Individualism. Our culture doesn’t care what language you speak, what personal religious beliefs you have (if any), what ethnic group you are, whether you choose to “integrate” with other ethnic groups or choose to just stick to your own , etc. None of these things matter to someone who truly understands Western Culture.

    Wow. Not only is this sort of thinking merely wishful generalization, but the section emphasized is the seed of demise for any culture.

    The only essential criteria is the respect for individual rights, the basic ability to agree to disagree and peacefully co-exist.

    Oh yes, you must agree with the norms and values of ‘individual rights’; but other than that, we are very tolerant of ‘diversity’, unless we actually care about the disagree.

    This is how most of the modern Western world has been built since the Enlightenment. Not by anglo-judaeo-christians who happen to be the majority but not the culture as many Conservatives would have you believe.

    Yes, yes, it was only coincidental that Western culture developed under the aegis of a thoroughly Christian culture before and after the ‘Enlightenment’.

  69. This is as bad as Zippherhead’s idea that Trump needs to trash Amazon into oblivion and MAGA by putting tens of thousands of Yanks out of work.

    I was going to say you are doing a dot and verballing, then I looked up and saw it was dot! Always true to form young dot.

  70. iampeter

    Yes, yes, it was only coincidental that Western culture developed under the aegis of a thoroughly Christian culture before and after the ‘Enlightenment’.

    It did no such thing. Western culture’s roots have nothing to do with Christianity, instead its origins lie with the ancient Greeks. Specifically the teachings of Aristotle on reason, the scientific method and an individualist ethics specifically design for mans flourishing on this earth. The ancient Greeks were big on man using his mind to live the best life he could on earth.

    Christianity came along and killed reason, killed the scientific method and turned mans focus to an afterlife instead of his actual life. This destroyed Western Civilization and plunged the West into a protracted period we now call the Dark Ages. It was the rediscovery of Aristotelian reason that allowed men to fight and defeat the teachings of the Church which in turn led to the Enlightenment and world that we have today.

    Christianity, like Communism and Fascism is just one of the many, many Collectivist and mystical evils that Westerners have had to fight to achieve our standard of living today.

    So Western Civilization is not about “anglo-Christians” who today happen to make up a majority of the population but submit to objective, reason-based and secular laws. It is about the ideas of reason and individualism and a focus on life on this earth.

  71. johanna

    iampeter, I am not a Christian, and rarely find myself on the same side of an argument as dover.

    But really, what nonsense you are spouting.

    “Roots” implies some sort of continuous, growing, connection. That’s not what happened.

    History is messy.

    What happened is that ideas, not roots, came and went.

    I’m not particularly comfortable with the notion of the Enlightenment as a discrete period. Again, history is messy, including the history of ideas.

    Your comments are just undergraduate regurgitations of propaganda, which is forgivable if you are an undergraduate.

  72. .

    Not verballing at all Zipperhead.

    You think destroying American companies you don’t like will create jobs.

  73. stackja

    Top Ender
    #2203269, posted on November 10, 2016 at 10:04 pm
    ABC Poll needs your help

    How do you feel about Donald Trump’s victory as US President-Elect?
    Concerned 30%
    Terrified 27%
    Elated 20%
    Anxious 12%
    Confident 11%
    321 votes counted

    http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/polls/

    Thank you. I ‘Elated, Elated 42% Where is Getup?

  74. srr

    I suppose it’s good to be reminded that the Militant Atheist/”Spirit Cooking”/Anti-Christ/Baby Butchering/UN Mobster’s are not going to quit until it is over.

    It’s also good to remember, that They do lose.

  75. Crossie

    … and The Australian Model will be applied everywhere, even in Australia.

    Ha!

  76. Crossie

    Closing the border is very high on that Trump’s to do list.

    If he fails to do it he will be a one term president.

  77. Crossie

    I wouldn’t want to be an Elon Musk shareholder. Once all that subsidy driven enviro croney capitalism is stopped Musk will be insolvent.

    He is still young and pretty he can marry money. There are lots of heiresses out there, even self-made women like Oprah, and I’m sure they all want to save the planet.

  78. Combine Dave

    He is still young and pretty he can marry money. There are lots of heiresses out there, even self-made women like Oprah, and I’m sure they all want to save the planet.

    Dont mock Oprah please.

    She may be the democratic contender for President in 2020.

    Show some respect.

  79. It did no such thing. Western culture’s roots have nothing to do with Christianity, instead its origins lie with the ancient Greeks. Specifically the teachings of Aristotle on reason, the scientific method and an individualist ethics specifically design for mans flourishing on this earth. The ancient Greeks were big on man using his mind to live the best life he could on earth.

    LOL. There was no Western culture before Christianity. The Greeks and Romans were not ‘Western’. What occurred with Christianity was the synthesis of Greek, Roman, and Jewish cultures. If not for the custodianship of the Church during and after the decline of the Western Roman Empire you wouldn’t have had any knowledge of Greek philosophy, Platonic, Aristotelian, or otherwise.

    Christianity came along and killed reason, killed the scientific method and turned mans focus to an afterlife instead of his actual life. This destroyed Western Civilization and plunged the West into a protracted period we now call the Dark Ages. It was the rediscovery of Aristotelian reason that allowed men to fight and defeat the teachings of the Church which in turn led to the Enlightenment and world that we have today.

    You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about. I suggest you read the following works, in order to avoid appearing the fool, like David Lindberg’s The Beginnings of Western Science: The European Scientific Tradition in Philosophical, Religious, and Institutional Context, Prehistory to A.D. 1450 (2nd ed.), or Edward Grant’s The Foundations of Modern Science in the Middle Ages: Their Religious, Institutional and Intellectual Contexts (Cambridge Studies in the History of Science). So far as relieving you of your ignorance re the so-called Dark Ages, Regine Pernoud’s Those Terrible Middle Ages: Debunking the Myths would be a good start. Further, Aristotelian reason was not rediscovered at all. It was preserved where it could be from the get-go and was later a part of the Trivium. There were always Latin versions of Aristotle’s Categories and On Interpretation available to scholars, while his other works were available in Greek translations in Byzantium. It was Boethius, a Christian and Platonist, that in the late 5th/ early 6th C AD translated Aristotle’s Organon into Latin.

    These are simply facts.

  80. It did no such thing. Western culture’s roots have nothing to do with Christianity, instead its origins lie with the ancient Greeks. Specifically the teachings of Aristotle on reason, the scientific method and an individualist ethics specifically design for mans flourishing on this earth. The ancient Greeks were big on man using his mind to live the best life he could on earth.

    LOL. There was no Western culture before Christianity. The Greeks and Romans were not ‘Western’. What occurred with Christianity was the synthesis of Greek, Roman, and J$%ish cultures. If not for the custodianship of the Church during and after the decline of the Western Roman Empire you wouldn’t have had any knowledge of Greek philosophy, Platonic, Aristotelian, or otherwise.

    Christianity came along and killed reason, killed the scientific method and turned mans focus to an afterlife instead of his actual life. This destroyed Western Civilization and plunged the West into a protracted period we now call the Dark Ages. It was the rediscovery of Aristotelian reason that allowed men to fight and defeat the teachings of the Church which in turn led to the Enlightenment and world that we have today.

    You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about. I suggest you read the following works, in order to avoid appearing the fool, like David Lindberg’s The Beginnings of Western Science: The European Scientific Tradition in Philosophical, Religious, and Institutional Context, Prehistory to A.D. 1450 (2nd ed.), or Edward Grant’s The Foundations of Modern Science in the Middle Ages: Their Religious, Institutional and Intellectual Contexts (Cambridge Studies in the History of Science). So far as relieving you of your ignorance re the so-called Dark Ages, Regine Pernoud’s Those Terrible Middle Ages: Debunking the Myths would be a good start. Further, Aristotelian reason was not rediscovered at all. It was preserved where it could be from the get-go and was later a part of the Trivium. There were always Latin versions of Aristotle’s Categories and On Interpretation available to scholars, while his other works were available in Greek translations in Byzantium. It was Boethius, a Christian and Platonist, that in the late 5th/ early 6th C AD translated Aristotle’s Organon into Latin.

    These are simply facts.

  81. It did no such thing. Western culture’s roots have nothing to do with Christianity, instead its origins lie with the ancient Greeks. Specifically the teachings of Aristotle on reason, the scientific method and an individualist ethics specifically design for mans flourishing on this earth. The ancient Greeks were big on man using his mind to live the best life he could on earth.

    LOL. There was no Western culture before Christianity. The Greeks and Romans were not ‘Western’. What occurred with Christianity was the synthesis of Greek, Roman, and J#$ish cultures. If not for the custodianship of the Church during and after the decline of the Western Roman Empire you wouldn’t have had any knowledge of Greek philosophy, Platonic, Aristotelian, or otherwise.

    Christianity came along and killed reason, killed the scientific method and turned mans focus to an afterlife instead of his actual life. This destroyed Western Civilization and plunged the West into a protracted period we now call the Dark Ages. It was the rediscovery of Aristotelian reason that allowed men to fight and defeat the teachings of the Church which in turn led to the Enlightenment and world that we have today.

    You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about. I suggest you read the following works, in order to avoid appearing the fool, like David Lindberg’s The Beginnings of Western Science: The European Scientific Tradition in Philosophical, Religious, and Institutional Context, Prehistory to A.D. 1450 (2nd ed.), or Edward Grant’s The Foundations of Modern Science in the Middle Ages: Their Religious, Institutional and Intellectual Contexts (Cambridge Studies in the History of Science). So far as relieving you of your ignorance re the so-called Dark Ages, Regine Pernoud’s Those Terrible Middle Ages: Debunking the Myths would be a good start. Further, Aristotelian reason was not rediscovered at all. It was preserved where it could be from the get-go and was later a part of the Trivium. There were always Latin versions of Aristotle’s Categories and On Interpretation available to scholars, while his other works were available in Greek translations in Byzantium. It was Boethius, a Christian and Platonist, that in the late 5th/ early 6th C AD translated Aristotle’s Organon into Latin.

    These are simply facts.

    Sinc, delete the above two repeat comments please.

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