Open Forum: November 26, 2016

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  1. Leigh Lowe

    Well hello.
    I identify as the original owner of this thread.

  2. JABL

    Trump or no; Turnbull or no: we are still rooned.

  3. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    Third?

  4. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    Hitler finds out Hilary Clinton won’t be indicted….

  5. Rossini

    Still reading,although the last thread was a corker!

  6. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    Top ten …

    How’s retirement treating you, Bruce? Memsahib loves it, I’m looking to go back to work part – time.

  7. Entropy

    Habib
    #2219555, posted on November 25, 2016 at 10:59 pm
    Got a brand spanking iPhone SE 64gb last night for $400, doesn’t even seem to be hooky. Quicker than a parliamentarian out the doors of the house as soon as knock-off’s called next Friday, and the battery’s showing over 80% after 24 hours. Tried a Sino-clone with my mum a while back, it was shit. So bad it could’ve been built by an Australian government enterprise.

    I’m after an SE Habib, how did you manage that?

  8. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    It sounded unequivocal and came from someone who should know — the head of the Human Rights Commission, Gillian Triggs.

    When she told the ABC this month that “the first obligation is to accept the complaint and then to investigate it and conciliate it”, and “once we receive a written complaint alleging a breach of anti-discrimination law, I must, as president, investigate and attempt to conciliate — that’s our role”, cartoonist Paul Zanetti and other white Australian men of a certain age believed they were on firmer ground.

    Most of the men hold strong views that the commission and section 18C of the federal Racial Discrimination Act curtail free speech and promote offence-­taking. But they decided to enlist the commission and Professor Triggs after Aboriginal federal Labor MP Linda Burney told journalists on November 9: “It astounds­ me that the people that are advocating for the removal of 18C are basically white men of a certain age that have never experie­nced racial discrimination in their life.”
    Gillian Triggs.

    Gillian Triggs.

    Ms Burney became ­the subject of numerous 18C complaints from white men including Zanetti and Bernie Gaynor Jr, a former army major and political aspirant.

    Zanetti told the commission: “Ms Burney’s statement was purely racist, as well as sexist and ageist. I am seeking conciliation with Ms Burney via the commission.’

    From the Oz.

    Shut. It. Down.

    Fire. Them. All.

  9. Bruce in WA

    How’s retirement treating you, Bruce? Memsahib loves it, I’m looking to go back to work part – time.

    Sneak this in before the forum police arrive 😀

    It’s great. We’ve barely been in Australia since we retired. We’ve taken on a very large contract rewriting some curriculum materials for the Australian market. Bloody hard work, but the money’s handy.

    Out of here 7 December for the USA with the whole family. Washington State for Christmas. Back 4 January and then ex-Sydney 11 January for a 38-day cruise Sydney, UnZud, Pago Pago, Tahiti, Easter Island etc, down west coast of South America, round the Cape, up the east coast, finish in Buenos Aires.

    Then nothing until May (USA east coast cruise into Canada). Dearly Beloved very keen to ride our motorbike over to the east coast again, perhaps up into Queensland this time.

    Ooops /facebook

  10. DrBeauGan

    Maybe IT should publish his few pages of those to be eliminated for the good of the country. Until he does and he starts working through it with piano wire, he’s liable to the dumb as dogshit charge.

    From the old Fred.

  11. Oh come on

    Zulu, the Downfall parodies associated with Hillary’s loss have been pretty lame. Is this one better?

  12. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    Zulu, the Downfall parodies associated with Hillary’s loss have been pretty lame. Is this one better?

    Blame having dined ( and wined) very well – probably not, but , if anyone can post any better, I would be obliged.

  13. C.L.

    Violent-sounding threat made:

    Meet with us or be quiet: Lebanese community issues demand to Dutton.

    But the funniest part:

    One leader, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of his work with violent extremists and authorities, said Lebanese Muslims were over-represented in the criminal system but the comments were an unhelpful smear.

  14. C.L.

    Am I the only one in Australia who finds it peculiar and pathetic that Crowded House are marking the anniversary of their ‘farewell’ – in exactly the same way and exactly the same place as their … farewell?

  15. Habib

    Sub twenty on a Friday night. Bit sad really.

  16. Infidel Tiger

    Am I the only one in Australia who finds it peculiar and pathetic that Crowded House are marking the anniversary of their ‘farewell’ – in exactly the same way and exactly the same place as their … farewell?

    Shit band.

    Kiwis.

    Sad.

  17. JC

    Incredible. This is coming from the rural conservative party.

    In response to a question about the explosive proposal by WA National Party leader Brendon Grylls to fix the state’s debt woes by increasing lease rental rates on iron ore produced by Rio and BHP Billiton from 25c to $5 a tonne, Mr Jacques said it would damage Australia as a destination for mining investment.

    “The $5 per tonne proposal by the Nationals in WA the is not only an issue for Rio or BHP; I truly believe that it is an issue for WA, and Australia.

    “The reason I say that is very simple. We all know that mining is a global business.

    “With this potential new tax we could end up in Australia as the most taxed place globally. It is as simple as that.

    “If you end up as the most taxed country in terms of mining, guess who is going to win. I can tell you it is going to be very simple. It is going to be Brazil.’’

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/chance-for-australia-to-become-mining-finance-hub-rio-chief/news-story/41efde9eabd190ff00f527561a88c971

  18. C.L.

    Somebody called Andrew P. Street in the SMH butchers the truth to make a point:

    Why are freedom of speech warriors such a bunch of crybabies?

    Yet all the people who angrily bleat about how the people they criticise need to grow a thicker skin when they’re called nasty names get exceptionally sensitive whenever someone takes them at their word: like Liberal Democrat senator David Leyonhjelm, who accused critics of Wicked Campervan’s misogynist messages to be “particularly wowserish” and then had a little sulk on Twitter about the big meanies at the Chaser after they made him a van of his own – almost as though words do have the power to hurt people!

    No no, dickhead. The Chaser went to Leyonhjelm home and terrorised his wife.

  19. Habib

    Neil Finn buggered Split Enz. Crowded House were and still are complete pants.

    Wish they would bloody retire, and take a few other geriatric embarrassments with them. I’m looking at youse, Farnsie & Barnsie.

  20. Infidel Tiger

    JC,Grylls is going to lose his seat at the State election. The guy is the member for the Pilbara advocating a tax that will destroy the joint.

    Every second ad on TV here at the moment is the minerals council flogging him and the National Party harder than a rent boy at an ALP function.

    Whoever makes their ads is terrific.

  21. memoryvault

    Meet with us or be quiet: Lebanese community issues demand to Dutton.

    So, will Dutton stand firm, escalate, or collapse like a wilted lettuce leaf?
    Sh1t – who am I trying to kid.

  22. Bruce in WA

    I’m looking at youse, Farnsie & Barnsie.

    Settle, mate. Farnsie’s only up to his 4th retirement tour, perhaps, maybe …

    My mate KBW’s started taking the Mickey

  23. J.H.

    Get a load of this climate Catastrophist idiot….. “it’s locked in. Humans have less than ten years to live”

    Professor Guy McPhereson.

  24. Habib

    Entropy, Gumtree. Was a replacement from an insurance claim, then the troop found the old one. Had a $250 excess and he just wanted that back and a bit of a tickle on top. Still in the placcy wrap with an invoice from the Good Guys, IMEI checks out etc so all kosher, warranty just registered. There’s a few 16gb around for around the $400 mark and I’ve seen 64s for 450-500, all new. Usually supplied with a plan & they’ve changed to a 6/7 or Samsung for some dopey reason, the SE’s vastly superior.

  25. Habib

    Still close to half price, cheaper than buying a refurb out of the US with the shitty ROE.

  26. memoryvault

    Every second ad on TV here at the moment is the minerals council flogging him and the National Party harder than a rent boy at an ALP function.

    What odds the Nationals get wiped out by PHON** in the State election next March?

    ——————————–
    ** – Assuming PHON don’t self-destruct before then.

  27. JC

    What’s PHON, Vaultsie? Sounds like a Thai restaurant. Love Thai food but can’t eat it, as one of the spices destroys me.

  28. J.H.

    Pauline Hanson’s One Nation party…..JC

    = PHON.

  29. C.L.

    Barnsie treats the American soul songbook like a uni student treats a couch full of goldies.
    “Found one! And another! A few more and it’s, ‘hello, delicious pizza’!”

  30. Habib

    Amusing that Hanson’s party abbreviation is similar to a Vietnamese broth made out of whiffy tripe.

  31. Bruce in WA

    Get a load of this climate Catastrophist idiot….. “it’s locked in. Humans have less than ten years to live”

    Professor Guy McPhereson.

    And why the hell isn’t this drooling moron wearing a stylish white jacket with the sleeves at the back and living in a nice padded room where he can lick the walls to his heart’s content. FMD!

  32. J.H.

    I have to admit that my jaw dropped watching that video, Bruce……Holy crap. Padded room. Fuk I need a padded room. These people are sendin’ me nuts.

  33. Habib

    More to the point, why hasn’t he cashed in his super, and is now snorting toot off tarts tits in the front seat of his new Ferrari, at the lights in Monaco?

  34. JC

    Leftie CEO’s are dropping like flies sprayed with insecticide. Isn’t it great. Look what happened to the Reddit spastic. He’s fucked himself, fucked the company in a huge way.

    From a traders blog.

    Two days ago, Reddit CEO Steve Huffman, AKA “spez” shut down a forum dedicated to connecting the many dots in the Wikileaked #PizzaGate scandal, claiming it had become a witch hunt. If you’re not up to speed on PizzaGate, or need a refresher, this 21 minute video is comprehensive.

    I’m really torn about this pizzagate bullshit in the sense that it probably deserved being shut down, but if you’re in the business of open discourse then let the discourse be totally open.

    This latest Reddit debacle has redditors speculating far and wide about the implications of Spez’s extreme cuckery, plus a weird fact about Spez himself:

    Spez just exposed Reddit to massive liability as they are no longer covered under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. (and there’s precedent)

    cubby

    Spez may have committed a Federal offense with a 10 year sentence.

    Spez violated Reddit’s own Terms of Service.

    Spez just revived MSM coverage of #PizzaGate

    Spez is the moderator of a non-satirical forum about cannibalism, which he just made private (seriously, here’s a screenshot from before it was closed to the public).

    Needless to say, Steve Huffman, AKA “Spez” AKA “weak-ass cuck” is a moron at best, and might also be into eating people and/or pizza – considering he just shut down a large and concerted anti-pedophile effort. Indeud.

    I’ll repeat this again in case someone missed it.

    Spez is the moderator of a non-satirical forum about cannibalism, which he just made private (seriously, here’s a screenshot from before it was closed to the public).”

    Is 2016 just a taste (no pun) of what lies ahead or are we going back to normal. I have a funny feeling it’s the former.

  35. JC

    Leftie CEO’s are dropping like flies sprayed with insecticide. Isn’t it great. Look what happened to the Reddit spastic. He’s fucked himself, fucked the company in a huge way.

    From a traders blog.

    Two days ago, Reddit CEO Steve Huffman, AKA “spez” shut down a forum dedicated to connecting the many dots in the Wikileaked #PizzaGate scandal, claiming it had become a witch hunt. If you’re not up to speed on PizzaGate, or need a refresher, this 21 minute video is comprehensive.

    I’m really torn about this pizzagate bullshit in the sense that it probably deserved being shut down, but if you’re in the business of open discourse then let the discourse be totally open.

    This latest Reddit debacle has redditors speculating far and wide about the implications of Spez’s extreme cuckery, plus a weird fact about Spez himself:

    Spez just exposed Reddit to massive liability as they are no longer covered under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. (and there’s precedent)

    cubby

    Spez may have committed a Federal offense with a 10 year sentence.

    Spez violated Reddit’s own Terms of Service.

    Spez just revived MSM coverage of #PizzaGate

    Spez is the moderator of a non-satirical forum about canni…balism, which he just made private (seriously, here’s a screenshot from before it was closed to the public).

    Needless to say, Steve Huffman, AKA “Spez” AKA “weak-ass cuck” is a moron at best, and might also be into eating people and/or pizza – considering he just shut down a large and concerted anti-pedophile effort. Indeud.

    I’ll repeat this again in case someone missed it.

    Spez is the moderator of a non-satirical forum about canni…balism, which he just made private (seriously, here’s a screenshot from before it was closed to the public).”

    Is 2016 just a taste (no pun) of what lies ahead or are we going back to normal. I have a funny feeling it’s the former.

  36. Entropy

    Habib
    #2219644, posted on November 26, 2016 at 12:48 am
    Entropy, Gumtree. Was a replacement from an insurance claim, then the troop found the old one. Had a $250 excess and he just wanted that back and a bit of a tickle on top. Still in the placcy wrap with an invoice from the Good Guys, IMEI checks out etc so all kosher, warranty just registered. There’s a few 16gb around for around the $400 mark and I’ve seen 64s for 450-500, all new. Usually supplied with a plan & they’ve changed to a 6/7 or Samsung for some dopey reason, the SE’s vastly superior.

    Agree, great size, smaller screen really lets the processor sing.

  37. classical_hero

    Any tax increase will just eventually go over east anyway.

  38. Mark A

    J.H.
    Professor Guy McPhereson.

    Better cash out my super and live it up big time.
    Ten years he reckons? We should see some rapid changes soon then.

  39. Oh come on

    Get a load of this climate Catastrophist idiot….. “it’s locked in. Humans have less than ten years to live”

    Professor Guy McPhereson.

    It’s ku-nts like this who, in the event their prediction was borne out, would be crowing ‘I told you so’ as the meteor was closing in on Earth. Good one, dickhead.

  40. Far Right Heretic

    So Turkey caught an ‘Australian’ muslim crossing the border who had been supposedly killed by bomb. Meanwhile in France they caught a couple of muslims planning a terrorist attack and supposedly taking orders from the Islamic State. What are the odds that that the muslim caught in Turkey was on his way down here to organise a terrorist attack?

    Speaking of, have police said yet whether the stabbing outside a church in campsie was a moderate muslim suffering from sudden jihadi syndrome?

  41. rickw

    Meet with us or be quiet: Lebanese community issues demand to Dutton.

    Sounds pretty threatening to me, just to emphasise the point that they’re dangerous nut jobs?

  42. rickw


    More to the point, why hasn’t he cashed in his super, and is now snorting toot off tarts tits in the front seat of his new Ferrari, at the lights in Monaco?

    I just hope they get that lunatic back in 10 years and rub his face in his own stupidity!

  43. Tom

    Ahahaha! Potential Greatness™ update (Cut&Paste):

    Malcolm Turnbull pulling out the tough talk over the census on 3AW yesterday:

    Turnbull: I think that what is very clear is that (the Australian Bureau of Statistics) put too much faith in IBM — and look, to be fair, IBM is one of the biggest brand names in the computer world. It is almost synonymous with the 21st-century technology. They used to say — here’s a good bit of irony, Neil — there used to be a saying no one got fired for buying IBM …

    Neil Mitchell: Yeah, but you haven’t fired anybody?

    Turnbull: I can assure you the lessons will be very, very carefully learned, I can assure you of that.

    Napping Lord Waffle so reminds me of one of the LNP’s greatest leaders.

  44. rickw

    Ahahaha! Potential Greatness™ update (Cut&Paste):

    Personally I think the Libs are getting better. They used to be anti Liberty and competent, now their anti Liberty and incompetent, a far better combination!

  45. Screw cap.

    Don’t start that shit again, Infy.

  46. Tom

    If you work in the meeja, good intel is thin on the ground. Since the departure of Sharri Markson as meeja editor, Monday’s Media Diary has become irrelevant and the Graniaud’s Weekly Beast, written by the embittered Amanda Meade, is mostly a lefty echo chamber recital about stuff she likes at Their ABC and a bitch about her former bosses at The Oz. Mumbrella changed its format this year, abolishing its former chronological listing of news, and is now virtually unreadable as a result, IMO. That leaves Hendo’s Media Watch Dog, which is now the best weekly read on meeja matters by a mile.

    This, from yesterday MWD, is a doozie that says everything you need to know about millenials, the left and the left’s disinformation media like Wikipedia:

    Gerard Henderson is chairman of the Judges’ Panel for the Prime Minister’s Literary Awards for Australian History and Non-Fiction. In this capacity, he was present in Canberra’s National Library of Australia on 8 November when Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull announced the winners in the various PMLA categories.

    The gong for fiction was announced first. The joint winners were Lisa Gorton (for The Life of Houses) and Charlotte Wood (for The Natural Way of Things). Both writers made brief speeches which included a recognition that their book was difficult to read. Ms Wood also gave the audience a lesson on this and that – the usual sort of thing when a leftist author on a grant gets a chance to preach to a captive audience. Yawn.

    Dr Gorton (for a doctor she is) gave a much more appropriate address in which she spoke inter alia about what her grandfather would have thought about her award. This surprised Nancy’s (male) co-owner. After all, most of us have two grandfathers. Which one did the doctor-on-the-platform have in mind?

    It turned out that Lisa Gorton is the granddaughter of John Gorton, the one-time prime minister of Australia. Fancy that. Since Dr Gorton is a former winner of MWD’s Flann O’Brien Award for Literary Sludge (for her incomprehensible review of a biography of the poet John Kinsella – see MWD Issue 312, 29 April 2016), Hendo thought that a post award congratulation was what the doctor ordered. So to speak. The conversation went a bit like this:

    Gerard Henderson (extending his hand): Congratulations. Well done about the prize and thanks for not burdening us with a lecture on political morality tonight – unlike your co-winner.

    Lisa Gorton: I’m surprised. The only time we met previously, I extended my hand and you refused to accept it.

    Gerard Henderson: I have never done that in my life. In any event, I don’t recall the occasion. I suspect you have a clear recollection of an event which never happened. It’s what Justice Peter McClellan has called the “fallibility of memory”.

    Lisa Gorton: Also, you gave me Media Watch Dog’s Flann O’Brien Award for Literary Sludge. I like O’Brien’s work, but –

    Gerard Henderson: Oh, come on. Media Watch Dog is not always that serious. Moreover, why would I refuse to shake your hand?

    Lisa Gorton: Because you hate my grandfather.

    [Here, being a courteous kind of guy, Hendo did not take the opportunity to ask as to which grandfather the doctor was referring. He guessed the relation, correctly as it turned out.]

    Gerard Henderson: I didn’t hate your grandfather. I only met him once and he was very polite and helpful. Why would I hate John Gorton?

    Lisa Gorton: Because you worked for [his enemy, former prime minister] Malcolm Fraser.

    Gerard Henderson: I never worked for Malcolm Fraser. I only worked for a junior minister in the Fraser government from 1976 to 1979. Where did you get the idea that I was on the personal staff of, and worked for, Malcolm Fraser?

    Lisa Gorton: I read it on Wikipedia.

    Gerard Henderson: Just as well you write fiction and poetry.

    At that stage, Hendo decided it was time to head to the bar for a morale boosting Gin & Tonic.

  47. Turnbull: I can assure you the lessons will be very, very carefully learned, I can assure you of that.

    God I detest bland political waffle.

  48. Mark A

    Probably trivia for stock&money dealers on the Cat but it caught me by surprise.
    I noticed the pound has risen substantially against the euro in recent months.
    Could it have anything to do with Brexit?

    I use Trasferwise to transfer money when overseas, cheapest method there is, that’s how I noticed.

  49. john constantine

    Had the hay windrows that got rained on dry out again.

    Got to let it dry out like cardboard, then use the overnight dew to get the material up to a moisture level that allows it to be packed into bales without shattering into powder.

    Very rare to get a season like this that allows so much daylight baling, not complaining, much more comfortable, but supply and demand means the market for new season hay is low and slow. Chance to put away a couple years worth of fodder reserves, pity the grain is ripe before hay season is over, but there is always something.

  50. Mark A

    True to faith.

    Nothing like a bit of blackmail to soften up the idiots in the west.

  51. Muslims in UK top 3 million for first time… with over 50% born outside Britain: Number in country doubles in a decade as immigration and birth rates soar

    In some parts of London, close to half of the population are now Muslims
    On current trends they will be the majority in those areas within a decade
    More are under ten years old than any other age group, indicating future generations

  52. Mark A

    Zippy The Triumphant
    In some parts of London, close to half of the population are now Muslims
    On current trends they will be the majority in those areas within a decade
    More are under ten years old than any other age group, indicating future generations

    Naughty Zippy, you forget the benefit of falafel or whatever that was the lady on Q&A was on about.
    Multicultural at work. What can possibly go wrong?

  53. A Lurker

    I have a very heavy workload at the moment so not much time for anything other than the occasional lurk on the Cat, so I wasn’t sure if this has been covered or not.

    Road users could be charged for every kilometre they drive within 15 years under a Turnbull Government-backed plan to replace Australia’s “inefficient” fuel tax.

    Stupid, stupid idea that could only have come from an inner city Greenie.

  54. Mark A

    john constantine
    Very rare to get a season like this that allows so much daylight baling.

    Done a bit of night time baling on the family farm when still young and stupid. (now old and stupid) dreaded to clean out the bottom of the tray after the shearbolt broke for fear of snakes sitting there. IH baler top of the line those days.

    All we brothers are happy to leave the management of the farm to the second in line, he loves it and makes money to boot!!

  55. Henderson’s point by point rebuttal of Marr’s errors in relation to Cardinal Pell and the Royal Commission is as brilliant as it is breathtaking. If you missed it, do yourself a favour.

  56. Tel

    Stupid, stupid idea that could only have come from an inner city Greenie.

    It would finally stop the annoying carry-on over fuel rebates to mining and agriculture.

    However, the implementation is the key. In a nutshell they want satellite tracking on every vehicle all the time, which will no doubt just happen to be kept in government databases forever, and don’t worry you can trust this just like you already trust the census. No really, it’s that safe.

    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com.au/2006/05/spy-in-euro-sky.html

    The Euros have been pushing to get this in for more than a decade now, just another way of keeping the plebs under the thumb.

  57. Trump Invites Hungarian PM Orbán to Washington D.C.

    Fisky will love this! Believe me.

  58. Tel

    Oh and I forgot to say, if they introduce a new tax on vehicle miles, you can be sure they would KEEP the existing fuel tax on top of that most of the money won’t go to roads anyway.

  59. Tom

    Ah, nostalgia ain’t what it used to be: Yasser Arafat.

  60. A Lurker

    However, the implementation is the key. In a nutshell they want satellite tracking on every vehicle all the time, which will no doubt just happen to be kept in government databases forever, and don’t worry you can trust this just like you already trust the census. No really, it’s that safe.

    Yeah, for sure that will be part of it – call it a ‘design feature’.

    Oh and I forgot to say, if they introduce a new tax on vehicle miles, you can be sure they would KEEP the existing fuel tax on top of that most of the money won’t go to roads anyway.

    I came to the same conclusion too. Taxes rarely go away, this vehicle mileage tax would be in addition to everything else.

  61. Mark A

    srr
    Trump Invites Hungarian PM Orbán to Washington D.C.

    He is a good man, but you would not believe how many people still yearn for the good old days when everyone had a job and a prescribed place in the world. Doesn’t matter that their standard of living is better and there is a shortage of workers not jobs!!

    I say again, give us a benevolent dictator!
    I also say there aint such an animal, at least not for long, so forget it.

  62. Shelley

    However, the implementation is the key. In a nutshell they want satellite tracking on every vehicle all the time, which will no doubt just happen to be kept in government databases forever, and don’t worry you can trust this just like you already trust the census. No really, it’s that safe.

    I recall putting a comment on here about this somewhere around two years ago – all then went very quiet. Keep wondering when it would pop its head up again or if in fact I had imagined I had read about it.

  63. Combine Dave

    So Turkey caught an ‘Australian’ muslim crossing the border who had been supposedly killed by bomb.

    That’s the twat the luegenpresse kept insisting was dead therefore his widow needed to be let back into Australia? And of course he himself would return in due course?

    Wait, no it was that Fiji Indin prick. Apparently there’s some dispute over who should try him.

    My preference. Whichever likely nation has the death penalty and the will to use it.

  64. Combine Dave

    Zippy The Triumphant
    In some parts of London, close to half of the population are now Muslims
    On current trends they will be the majority in those areas within a decade
    More are under ten years old than any other age group, indicating future generations

    Naughty Zippy, you forget the benefit of falafel or whatever that was the lady on Q&A was on about.
    Multicultural at work. What can possibly go wrong?

    So all those Britons who voted pro-exit were Muslims angered by the large scale importation of Polish plumbers?

    As for their dominance itself – bank, bus, subway bombings are a small price to pay (an irritant in fact) in exchange for tasty superior kebabs.

  65. M Ryutin

    I find it hard to believe that nearly three years to the month (December 2013) I made an almost identical post to this one.

    That was that the new federal government was facing an incorrigible Senate and should see the writing on the wall and start piling up numerous Double Dissolution triggers for a DD which would gain them some form of a workable parliament. Then being for a party with a leader who could have actually won such an election, the state of the Senate is the same if not worse.

    There are not only the factors and actions of a mob-led Trade Union Party combining with the “Green/Stalinist Tendency”, but the actions of Senator Xenophon and his team representing the principality called South Australia joining Jackie Lambie in the idea that nothing will make them consider legislation for anyone else until personal whims for their own principalities are met in full. Not for them any such thing as “compromise” or “national interest” (indeed the latter is rejected by them).
    Now we have the people’s revolt movement sabotaged again by two other con-artists, Derryn Hinch who after getting ALP and Lib preferences went against major policies for which he claimed a mandate prior to the election (eg plebiscite) and the piece of rubbish Culleton who after conning Pauline Hanson is now in bed with Katter and the ALP (yes, both together, although Katter is keeping a bit quiet about it because he knows if the Hansonites got the bit between their teeth his stooges might be destroyed at the Qld elections).

    No, this seems to be now set. Xenophon has joined Lambie in bloody mindedness and has to be called on it. As a bit of honesty the Libs should now grow a pair and call him out as another Prince Leonard of Hutt and start ;letting the public know that his persona as everybody’s friend is as false as South Australia “paying its way”. And start lining up real bills for D/D triggers. 18C. Up front. Now. Get it defeated, twice and bugger this rot about “not filling a job”. Get some decent industrial relations and anti-crony capitalism legislation prepared. Get 12 of them if necessary and argue the case for them.

    Above all: get a bloody LEADER. Look for Dutton, Porter, Angus Taylor, with Andrew Hastie in the reserves. (Let it be known that Abbott and Bernardi are there backing the new team and being mentors etc.

    Dutton might just be the politician to get them through the parliamentary mess. The other three (with Barnardi) will be – or already are the intellectual leaders who will last for decades.

  66. Mozzie

    I recently heard someone advocating thorium as the best source of energy in the future.
    Is this all BS?

  67. dweezy2176

    Some mornings just a little snippet can brighten the entire day!

    “ASSAILANT SUFFERS INJURIES IN FALL .. Orville Smith, a store manager for Best Buy in Augusta, GA., told police he observed a male customer, later identified as Tyrone Jackson of Augusta, on surveillance cameras putting a laptop computer under his jacket. When confronted the man became irate, knocked down an employee, drew a knife and ran for the door.
    Outside on the sidewalk were four Marines collecting for the Toys For Tots program. Smith said the Marines stopped the man but he stabbed one of the Marines, Cpl. Phillip Duggan, in the back; the injury did not appear to be severe.
    After police and ambulance arrived at the scene Cpl. Duggan was transported for treatment.
    “The subject was also transported to the local hospital .. with two broken arms, a broken ankle, a broken leg, several missing teeth, possible broken ribs, multiple contusions, assorted lacerations, a broken nose and a broken jaw .. injuries he sustained when he slipped and fell off the curb after stabbing the marine,” according to the official police report…..

  68. Weekend Reading out. It’s a bumper crop this week, incl. an interview of Paul Johnson, a Spiked podcast with Bill Leak, through to a review of Kirk’s Enemies of the Permanent Things. Enjoy.

  69. Mark A

    dweezy2176
    injuries he sustained when he slipped and fell off the curb after stabbing the marine,” according to the official police report…..

    If true I like, if not it should be. LOL

  70. calli

    The Trollmaster strikes again.

    So much high intensity huffing and puffing in so many publications (includind Sunrise).

    One amusing complaint “Its weight makes the tree lean to the right”. Chuckle.

  71. Combine Dave

    Above all: get a bloody LEADER. Look for Dutton, Porter, Angus Taylor, with Andrew Hastie in the reserves. (Let it be known that Abbott and Bernardi are there backing the new team and being mentors etc.

    Dutton might just be the politician to get them through the parliamentary mess.

    Please provide evidence of this.

    Any courageous right-wing acts on the part of Dutton I should be aware of that the media has kept hidden?

    From what I’ve seen he’s tried to discredit OSB thru incompetence like Brandi’s on s18

  72. Mark A

    There were some comments about the Chinese being not innovative on an other thread.
    If so where did they get this knowledge then?
    http://www.reuters.tv/v/kYq/2016/11/01/china-unveils-flashy-new-stealth-fighter

  73. Mark A

    Hmm the blog engine is broken it seems linky didn’t go the usual way.

  74. Bruce of Newcastle

    I recently heard someone advocating thorium as the best source of energy in the future.

    Eventually yes. We won’t need it for a couple centuries though as there is plenty of coal available.
    At the moment the heavy mineral sands miners throw the thorium away as there is no market.

  75. dweezy2176

    “Mark A
    #2219723, posted on November 26, 2016 at 8:19 am
    dweezy2176
    injuries he sustained when he slipped and fell off the curb after stabbing the marine,” according to the official police report…..

    If true I like, if not it should be. LOL”

    Definitely true .. I typed it from a pix of the news clipping as it didn’t have a unique hyper-link to refer.

  76. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I have a very heavy workload at the moment so not much time for anything other than the occasional lurk on the Cat

    Me too, Lurker. I hope some of your work is giving your audience more of your novels.
    It’s great to catch up with you on the Cat and that you find the time to lurk and come in.
    I’m permitted half an hour’s blogging morning and night by Da Hairy Irish Supervisory Person.
    And told to behave myself online this time.
    And not fall about in a heap, ‘cos it’s only a blog. 🙂

    Bashed my injured leg again on the corner of a bed while making it yesterday.
    Don’t you just hate those trendy beds that have a hidden flat bit sticking out ready to attack?

  77. M Ryutin

    “right-wing acts on the part of Dutton”
    Heh, As if I need to. I personally would prefer going straight to Porter but Dutton is senior and could more easily deal with the nest of Wickr saboteurs and the NSW lobbyist cabal. Porter is a very well qualified conservative but while Angus Taylor is by far the most qualified for the future with intellect and proven record of achievement. Taylor is Turnbulls’s greatest fear, 20 years younger and beats Turnbull in every way – except personal wealth (from T’s deal-making not “business”). Cory Bernardi is both experienced and perfectly qualified but he would be Alinskied immediately.

  78. A Lurker

    Me too, Lurker. I hope some of your work is giving your audience more of your novels.

    I wish, perhaps after Christmas, I’ll get time to get two books finalised that are waiting in the wings ready to be re-released both as eBooks and paperbacks.

  79. Mark A

    dweezy2176
    Definitely true .. I typed it from a pix of the news clipping as it didn’t have a unique hyper-link to refer.
    There is truth in the saying, ‘don’t mess with people who can hurt you’

    I can hardly see any graffiti in some of the places I travel, the reasons are simple, if the property owners catch you doing it they beat the crap out of you, and the police take a dim view of it as well.

    In more enlightened places like Melbourne, they celebrate it as art.

  80. Cradock's Choice

    Habib:

    Neil Finn buggered Split Enz.

    He got pissed and mistook them for sheep?

  81. Mozzie

    Thanks Bruce of Newcastle
    King Coal is good

  82. Geriatric Mayfly

    Blair is right onto Bandana Man’s pathetic attempt to absolve himself after calling a coloured gentleman a gorilla. This is a term of affection for security guards so we are told. Never heard of it.

  83. Shy Ted

    Went to a party and got quite drunk, fell asleep and some joker put a teabag in my mouth. Punched him in the mouth when I woke up. Nobody makes me look like a mug.

  84. egg_

    Turnbull: I think that what is very clear is that (the Australian Bureau of Statistics) put too much faith in IBM — and look, to be fair, IBM is one of the biggest brand names in the computer world. It is almost synonymous with the 21st-century technology. They used to say — here’s a good bit of irony, Neil — there used to be a saying no one got fired for buying IBM …

    IME IT suffers some of the worst middle management bloat, with e.g. a floor of ‘managers’ (Chiefs) of all ilks micromanaging a handful of ‘Indians’ who actually carry out the chore – the ‘Indians’ are often at the bottom of the remuneration pile and, even for a ‘Special Project’ of National significance, could have been recruited from e.g. the local Credit Union’s IT Department, with little worldly experience.

  85. Herodotus

    Breaking! Arctic Ice melting! Climate about to change.
    I heard it on the ABC. Home later today, back to Sky and Fox.

  86. egg_

    Innovative Chinese screwcap.

  87. Mark A

    Bruce of Newcastle
    Eventually yes. We won’t need it for a couple centuries though as there is plenty of coal available.
    At the moment the heavy mineral sands miners throw the thorium away as there is no market.

    I suppose it will be the same as it was with gold mine tailing.
    The family trust made a bit of money when we sold the tailings to a gold recovery company in the late 80s early 90s can’t remember the exact date but JC and other stock market people will remember when the gold prices suddenly rose. It was a company from Bendigo.
    Got rid of a mess as far as we were concerned and reclaimed a paddock.

    Drummond district Vic.

  88. calli

    I have had a fairly typical reproductive history for a heterosexual woman of my era — two children, a miscarriage and an abortion.

    Bull.

  89. Entropy

    Dutton isnt a good option. He is an absent local member in a seat that isn’t that safe. WTF is he doing making deals with a lame duck US government, and talking to malaysia! about taking illegals? Does he not remember the recent Gillard years? He must be listening to his department, because he doesn’t talk to constituents. He is a wooden, uninspiring dickhead. All he will end up doing is wrecking the OSB.

  90. candy

    Jane CAro says at the end of that article, shout “to make very child a wanted child”.

    I guess she means a child is not a child until it’s born, until then a nothing. Confusing?

  91. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The gong for fiction was announced first. The joint winners were Lisa Gorton (for The Life of Houses) and Charlotte Wood (for The Natural Way of Things). Both writers made brief speeches which included a recognition that their book was difficult to read.

    In that case, they are not on my reading list. Why make hard work for myself?
    I like novels that capture place, spirit and heart, effortlessly. From the start.
    Such as Patrick White’s ‘The Tree of Man’ and Kazuo Ishiguro’s ‘The Remains of the Day’.
    Plots don’t matter much to me. Just life unfolding. Jane Austin. And some sense of narrative.
    Phillipa Gregory does interior narrative well. Her historical novels move along strictly by dates. 🙂

    My choices wouldn’t suit everyone, obviously. Some like detective novels; or fantasy; or action.

    Whatever you like to read, I don’t think good writing, clever writing, has to be ‘difficult’.

  92. calli

    Bookmarked for later, Pickles.

    “There’ll be no cold chisel on my chain gang!”

    Good times.

  93. candy

    WTF is he doing making deals with a lame duck US government, and talking to malaysia! about taking illegals?

    Perhaps he has leadership ambitions (naturally enough).

    The next Fed. election would be 2 years away, but somehow time slips by and if things look poorly for M Turnbull by then, we will find some stiff competition for the job – Dutton, Bishop, Morrison and probably some dark horse no-one’s really heard of.

  94. Entropy

    From what I’ve seen he’s tried to discredit OSB thru incompetence like Brandi’s on s18

    Quite a good way of looking at Dutton. Look, the current iteration of the liberal party is stuffed, it requires generational change which isn’t ready and even then as can be seen in NSW too many of the next gen are hacks only interested in what’s in it for them. Exactly like the ALP. We are so stuffed.

  95. cohenite

    dover_beach

    #2219761, posted on November 26, 2016 at 9:19 am

    Best Compilation- People Who Laughed at TRUMP…and said he would never be President

    Everyone of these fools should have resigned November 9.

    +100. What a pack of arrogant dickheads.

  96. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Breaking! Arctic Ice melting! Climate about to change.
    I heard it on the ABC.

    We heard them last night going on about the melting Antarctic, whence a group of scientific wymminses saviours were outbound on fat grants to see it for themselves. Dat’s right, take yer warm jackets, advised Da Hairy Ape thoughtfully as they were shown zipping up. De Antarctic is icing up as well as it ever has; what dey are going to see is the usual Summer melt.

    He wished them well by hoping dey ran hard into a non-melting iceberg. Dat’s a lie, he said as the ABC went on about the greatest melt evah, and dat’s a lie too, he added against another of their doom laden witters. And dat’s a complete and outright lie, he stormed about the ABC’s finale that the usual profiting and witless suspects were going in the name of feminist science (ffs) to see it while it was still there.

    Except the ABC didn’t call them that. He did though. He’s met a few like dat in his career.

  97. Rabz

    He is a wooden, uninspiring dickhead.

    Rabzcheck: 100% correct.

  98. struth

    When you have feminist science the one thing you can be sure of, is you don’t have science.
    Pure insanity.
    Beyond all parody.
    They need to be put in a home, not a ship.

  99. john constantine

    ‘Realising Australia’s strengths depends on attention to workforce participation, to services sector productivity, and above all to sustaining political consent to a big immigration program.’

    Read our latest Lowy Institute Analysis by John Edwards.

    –i thought having ten times as many people in the services sector doing a job is an economic stimulus ten times as large as if only one efficient person did the same job?. Isn’t that why the left want to import ten times as many clients?.

  100. srr

    […]
    What else happened here? More spirit cooking? Rituals at Sydney Uni?

    Abramovic’s sponsored performance in Australia seemed to be an experiment in hypnotizing an audience. Mind control? (Source:

    Vimeo)
    […]
    https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1432135

  101. Mark A

    Great planes.

    I only had a PP’s licence, long expired, to the max for a retractable Lance but I love airplanes, tanks war machinery and history.
    Not to be confused with glorifying war.
    Scroll past if not interested.

  102. Tom

    You’re on fire today, Dover Beach. Great links. Thanks!

  103. John Comnenus

    Don’t scare me guys.

    Breaking! Arctic Ice melting! Climate about to change.
    I heard it on the ABC.

    For a moment I thought that report came from a credible source.

  104. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Ooops. Exceeded my time limit. 😀

    See ya.

  105. Rabz

    Collectivist hypocrisy, part eleventy gazillion and seventeen:

    Some greenfilth slag in the US is demanding a recount in three US states “in order to ensure the integrity of the voting process”.

    Via JJJ news.

  106. Rabz

    I heard it on the ABC.

    What a coincidence, I read it on Wikipedia.

  107. john constantine

    Their abc radio this morning were enraptured by the american green raising 5 million dollars to challenge the election.

    Note that it isn’t clinton, or the democrats or soros himself doing the challenging, but a grassroots green independant, that just happens to have the same donors that backed clinton.

    The point is to assassinate the legitimacy of the Trump government. If 5 million can overthrow the government, that is a bonus.

    Distracting Trump, stealing the time and energy from him by constant sniping and lawfare, just as their abc crippled the Abbottbeast government by running a billion dollars worth of gotchas over minor and pissy things that just absorbed the entire media cycle.

  108. Fisky

    Very good to see Trump reaching out to Viktor Orban! They can share notes about converting liberal democracies into populist-nationalist unitary states where Leftism is banned.

  109. Drink Up Socrates

    Recount in Wisconsin.

    Trump’s people will need to all over this – Wisconsin has the most corrupt (Teachers’ Union dominated) establishment in the US.

  110. Caro:

    Even though abortion was a crime in NSW — as it still is today — I had no trouble getting two medicos to agree that having the baby would be dangerous for my mental health, and I had the termination when I was about six weeks along.

    In other words, they lied.

    When I woke from the anaesthetic, I felt nothing but relief. While I had been pregnant, I felt that this event had occurred to my body — but not to me. Staring at the pressed metal ceiling of the recovery room, I felt I had once again returned to being myself.

    LOL. Oh, the act of getting pregnant as opposed to the act of sexual intercourse was an event that happened to your body but not to you. Listening to these people is a study in sociopathy.

    I did not regret my decision then and I have never regretted it since.

    How could I regret it? If I’d had that baby, I would never have had my two much-wanted and much-loved daughters a few years later. One door closes, as they say, and another door opens.

    Imagine if she simply had the child and immediately abandoned it in the woods, how could she regret it if it lead to her then having “her much-wanted and love daughters a few years later”? One of the instructive things about this article is how clear it illustrates the issue of abortion, for women such as Caro, has nothing to do with a child. It just doesn’t. There is not even an inkling of thought that she ended the life of her son or daughter when it was most vulnerable, or that her “much-wanted and muched-loved” daughters where robbed of their sibling…by their mother!

    Countries with very restrictive abortion laws — such as Chile, Brazil, Poland and Ireland — have higher levels of maternal mortality than those that do not.

    Sorry, no they don’t, Poland and Ireland have a lower maternal mortality rate than Australia (5 and 6 per 100,000 live births respectively vs 7.).

    ( I’m going to write a reply at my blog because of the nonsense she peddles for next week.)

  111. gabrianga

    Priceless.

    Now Fairfax (SMH) shows Turnbull the way to “success”

    LINK

  112. Mark A

    john constantine

    Distracting Trump, stealing the time and energy from him by constant sniping and lawfare, just as their abc crippled the Abbottbeast government by running a billion dollars worth of gotchas over minor and pissy things that just absorbed the entire media cycle.

    Trump is no Abbott, he will not be detracted.

    T Abbott created his own problems without the media.
    I would almost have forgiven him for what he did to PH albeit on instruction from the most despicable PM we ever had, if he had had the balls to do what he promised.
    He didn’t, he still doesn’t, be rid of him I say!

  113. cohenite

    Drink Up Socrates

    #2219799, posted on November 26, 2016 at 10:15 am

    Recount in Wisconsin.

    Trump’s people will need to all over this – Wisconsin has the most corrupt (Teachers’ Union dominated) establishment in the US.

    The money Stein has raised so far is enough to fund recounts in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, according to her site, but she is asking for $7 million total to cover recounts in all three states. Stein says that Pennsylvania is up next, as she plans to file for a recount there on Monday. And if the full $7 million is raised, she will file for the Michigan recount on Wednesday.

    Just because the first recount request has been filed doesn’t mean it will actually happen though; it still needs to be approved. And Elections Commission director Michael Haas has said there is little reason to believe that any of the votes have been manipulated, according to the Wisconsin State Journal. However, the Wisconsin Elections Commission has been preparing for a recount anyway, with the Associated Press estimating that the cost to counties could exceed $520,000. Stein has set aside $2.5 million for the Wisconsin recount alone, with most of that money going toward filing fees and attorney fees, according to the Green Party.

    Trump won Wisconsin by over 25000 votes.

  114. egg_

    Our Pauline has a swim on the GBR and gets castigated by the abc dickheads.

    Caught that on 730 as noted on the OOT; hope it backfires on the GetUp! Activist Broadcasting Channel.

  115. Not So Kaboom.

    No comments on the Thorium post?

  116. egg_

    We heard them last night going on about the melting Antarctic, whence a group of scientific wymminses saviours were outbound on fat grants to see it for themselves. Dat’s right, take yer warm jackets, advised Da Hairy Ape thoughtfully as they were shown zipping up. De Antarctic is icing up as well as it ever has; what dey are going to see is the usual Summer melt.

    The tards will likely collide with a ‘berg/get locked in a loose ice pack.

  117. egg_

    When you have feminist science the one thing you can be sure of, is you don’t have science.

    Are they going to do a Calendar?

  118. Tom

    Dover, I’m very pleased that, of all the loudmouth, whiny, know-nothing, knowall “experts” in that parade of NeverTrumpers, Bob Beckel — occasionally wheeled in by Fox News as the worldly old (DNC-voting) Washington MSM hack — now has to walk around with a big WRONGOLOGIST sign on his back.

    It’s staggering that any of them still has a job.

  119. Top Ender

    In that case, they are not on my reading list.

    What else does one need but:

    – the entire Flashman series
    – the entire James Bond collection
    – Derek Robinson’s WWI and II aviation series
    – all of the Inspector Wexford novels
    – the collected Rumpole
    – Ed McBain’s 57th Precinct series
    – and a few isolated improving works such as Crime and Punishment

  120. John Comnenus

    Don’t worry about Wisconsin. Gov Walker has been smashing around the unionised left and making Wisconsin great again for half a decade. Wisconsin has the most serious voter ID laws in the country which is probably why the Dem vote their collapsed. Wisconsin has been a graveyard for the Left for a while. They are foolish to even try.

  121. memoryvault

    What else does one need but:

    No Asimov?

  122. egg_

    Via JJJ news.

    Do you have to do drugs to listen to that crap/blue pills?

  123. C.L.

    One door closes, as they say, and another door opens.

    As one Nazi said to the other Nazi on oven duty.

  124. Top Ender

    No Asimov?

    No I got tired of him. Still have a big stack of SF but most of them are very dated by technology now. The Forever War is still a good read.

  125. egg_

    When you have feminist science the one thing you can be sure of, is you don’t have science.

    Fruitcakes with extra yeast?

  126. Stimpson J. Cat

    So fresh and so clean!
    Ain’t nobody dope as me I’m just so fresh so clean.

  127. C.L.

    Misogynist Paul McGeough continues his hilarious daily meltdown:

    The Trump family cashes in on the presidency.

    The daughter moves seamlessly from Dad’s meetings with foreign leaders, to Dad’s meetings with foreign business partners.

    While the daughter vets would-be cabinet members, her staff tend to an unprecedented new line in presidential product placement. And as a power behind Dad’s throne, the daughter’s husband, Jared Kushner, wants to be a White House adviser – and despite the obvious nepotism, he’ll most likely get the gig …

    Mmyes… Cashing in on the presidency and riding a famous family member’s coat tails …
    … from the journalist who supported Bill and Hillary Clinton.

  128. Tom

    Explain yourself, Stimpton. Where’s your bin?

  129. cohenite

    Top Ender

    #2219817, posted on November 26, 2016 at 10:42 am

    No Asimov?

    No I got tired of him. Still have a big stack of SF but most of them are very dated by technology now. The Forever War is still a good read.

    No Jack Reacher (even taking into account the next to last was a disappointment; haven’t read the latest)?

    As for S-F surely you must have Jack Vance Dying Earth and Demon Princes series, tired technology not withstanding, on your list.

  130. johanna

    I’ve got some of the Wexfords, they are not bad. But I have the collected works of the Divine Agatha and Colin Dexter’s excellent Inspector Morse novels – highly recommended. Also, Reginald Hill’s Dalziel and Pascoe books are very good indeed, much better than the TV series. Andrea Camilleri’s Montalbano books are very fine (and funny) as well. Ian Rankin’s Rebus series is also well worth checking out.

    There are many more I could list, but there is no doubt in my mind that crime fiction has spawned some of the best writing of the last few decades. In particular, it is mostly unpretentious and accessible stylistically, without being dumb. That kind of writing is nowhere near as easy to pull off as it might appear.

  131. memoryvault

    Cashing in on the presidency and riding a famous family member’s coat tails …

    “The daughter’s husband . . .” – Jared Kushner is a filthy rich, very successful, younger version of Trump, and his family are as rich, successful and powerful as the Trump clan. Possibly more so.

  132. egg_

    Sounds like Homeward Bound has simply chartered one of Aurora Expeditions‘ standard Antarctic pleasure cruises – where’s Grigs?

  133. Infidel Tiger

    Kushner is a Dhu, so McGeoeoeoeoeough will be furious.

    So will many Catallaxians.

  134. gabrianga

    Spot the Australian’s “deliberate” mistake.

    It’s the annoyance it has created among senior right-wing Victorian figures such as Richard Marles, Mark Dreyfus and David Feeney that is most volatile for Shorten because this triumvirate has been his traditional support — a Praetorian Guard protecting his leadership.

    Doofus will possibly sue ?

  135. memoryvault

    No Asimov?
    No I got tired of him.

    Surely some David Gemmell?

  136. Ant

    Mmyes… Cashing in on the presidency and riding a famous family member’s coat tails …
    … from the journalist who supported Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    It’s laughable, IT, this newfound concern amongst the left with what’s “proper”.

    But this kind of stuff is going to have a lot of currency in the media, including here, and the relentless chipping away and undermining of Trump will damage his presidency if he doesn’t significantly deliver.

    So far on the appointment side things generally look promising and what came out of his interview with the NYT is pretty meaningless, I think, because being the consummate salesman he’ll tell his immediate ‘market’ whatever they want to hear and later proceed to do something else if it suits him.

    I noticed on SBS last night they screened a doco on the KKK in America. Can’t be too long now before we start seeing the line-ups at the soup kitchens and ‘specials’ about poverty under Trumponomics.

  137. Infidel Tiger

    The money Stein has raised so far is enough to fund recounts in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, according to her site, but she is asking for $7 million total to cover recounts in all three states. Stein says that Pennsylvania is up next, as she plans to file for a recount there on Monday. And if the full $7 million is raised, she will file for the Michigan recount on Wednesday.

    Stein cost Hillary the election and now she is grifting $7,000,000 from Hillary supporters .

    Respect!

  138. Fisky

    I love Jill Stein! Great job.

  139. Tom

    The most important thing Jared Kushner did in 2016 was, as publisher of the New York weekly Observer, to publish the definitive essay on the failure of the US news media:

    This Election Has Disgraced the Entire Profession of Journalism

  140. egg_

    Sounds like Homeward Bound has simply chartered one of Aurora Expeditions‘ standard Antarctic pleasure cruises

    Track ’em ‘ere

  141. Fisky

    Jill Stein is a great disinformation agent. She’s distracting Democrats with this futile recount when they should be focusing on the Louisiana Senate race.

  142. Top Ender

    Jack Vance Dying Earth and Demon Princes

    Sounds like fantasy? I hate fantasy novels.

  143. egg_

    Mark A
    #2219788, posted on November 26, 2016 at 10:00 am
    Great planes.

    Great stuff.

    IIRC the venerable B52 has a planned service life of 90 years, similar the U2?

  144. Oh come on

    Look, we should be cheering about this. Stein is laying the groundwork for her next POTUS run. She tried ever so hard to peel Bernie supporters off of Hillary, but they decided they’d hold their noses and stick with Hillary, despite Stein being a much better ideological fit for the Bernie kids. After all, this election was just too important to lose to Trump. Then, in spite of the kids pledging fealty to someone they didn’t find especially inspiring, that candidate went and lost anyway.

    I reckon there’s a pretty good chance that ‘principled outsiders’ like Stein will get more of a shake next time around, seeing as the unloved but politically pragmatic choice considered a dead cert to succeed nevertheless went and spectacularly failed to fall over the line.

    If Stein sticks with the Greens and runs a similar campaign in 2020 as she did this year, there’s a not-unreasonable chance many more ultra-liberals will vote their consciences. This will come straight off the Dem candidate’s tally. Go go Jill Stein!

  145. Infidel Tiger

    So Stein has cost Hillary the election, stolen $7m from her supporters, used their details to build a fundraising database and is also ruining the Dems Senate election hopes.

    If she’s not a Trump plant she should be.

  146. stackja

    Students complained about erratic driving before bus wreck
    POSTED 5:59 PM, NOVEMBER 25, 2016, BY AP WIRE
    NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Students and administrators raised concerns about a Tennessee school bus driver’s behavior behind the wheel in the weeks before a crash that killed six children.

    Police have charged driver Johnthony Walker with vehicular homicide after the Chattanooga crash. Federal authorities said Walker was driving off the designated bus route when he wrecked on a curvy road while carrying 37 children on their way home from Woodmore Elementary School.
    Mugshot of Johnthony Walker, Credit: Hamilton County Sheriff’s Office

  147. calli

    Caro lied about women of “her era” in that article of self-absorbed sludge.

    I would take everything she says with a wheelbarrow of salt.

  148. cohenite

    Top Ender

    #2219841, posted on November 26, 2016 at 11:25 am

    Jack Vance Dying Earth and Demon Princes

    Sounds like fantasy? I hate fantasy novels.

    Nothing fanciful about Jack. A great writer who creates a literary reality that happens to be in the future; and that reality is mordantly funny and insightful.

  149. calli

    Recounts funded by the Greens eh?

    So that’s what Podesta meant when he told the faithful that the election wasn’t over yet.

    They’ll just keep counting until they get it right.

  150. Leo G

    Some greenfilth slag in the US is demanding a recount in three US states “in order to ensure the integrity of the voting process”.

    So important, the political correctness of the voting process.

  151. incoherent rambler

    I heard it on the ABC.

    Now used in common Australian speech.
    It actually means “Nah mate, It’s bull, I was just pulling your chain.”

  152. rickw

    In some parts of London, close to half of the population are now Muslims
    On current trends they will be the majority in those areas within a decade
    More are under ten years old than any other age group, indicating future generations

    They already managed to elect their own lord mayor, it’s done.

  153. stackja

    incoherent rambler
    #2219851, posted on November 26, 2016 at 11:38 am
    I heard it on the ABC.

    Now used in common Australian speech.
    It actually means “Nah mate, It’s bull, I was just pulling your chain.”

    ABC is part of the MSM.

  154. incoherent rambler

    I heard it on the ABC.

    It has got so bad that when they read out the cricket scores, I double check on the web.

  155. calli

    Even though abortion was a crime in NSW — as it still is today — I had no trouble getting two medicos to agree that having the baby abortion would be dangerous for my mental health, and I had the termination when I was about six weeks along.

    Fixed.

    Callicheck: true

  156. Geriatric Mayfly

    Seems The Hunchback of Spring street is up to tricks again. He’s declared Christmas Day, a Sunday, a public holiday. I don’t quite get it, but I’m sure there is something in it for the bruvvas, and a bit extra in his Christmas hose (stocking) for Roz Ward.

  157. srr

    Infidel Tiger
    #2219829, posted on November 26, 2016 at 11:00 am

    Kushner is a Dhu, so McGeoeoeoeoeough will be furious.

    So will many Catallaxians.

    So is the daughter, who converted to her husband’s faith.

    But The They are all still, “Oh my god! Daddy Trump KKK!”

    idiots

  158. DrBeauGan

    Kushner is a Dhu

    For some reason this reminds me of the little girl who was asked by her teacher to explain why genetics was important. The child wrote:

    ‘Genetics is important because I luuuurve Mariah Carey. And if it wasn’t for genetics, Mariah Carey might have been a fish.’

  159. Ant

    Thanks for the Observer piece, Tom.

    Pretty much my sentiments with some precision.

  160. Dover Beach;

    Infidel Tiger is interviewed by the ABC in regards to the recent Trump win.

    That IT is a funny bloke!
    Can we start a collection for a new set of teeth?

  161. Oh come on

    Ant, do you still consider Trump a truther?

  162. There is something extremely dodgy going on with Soros and the Jill Stein recount.

  163. Infidel Tiger

    Half of Catallaxy are truthers.

    I think Trump just hated Bush. That was a period in his life when he was very close to the Clintons.

  164. Oh come on

    From what I’ve seen, not even Trump’s most determined opponents vilify Trump as a truther. It’s a pretty extreme allegation, Ant.

  165. Infidel Tiger

    There is something extremely dodgy going on with Soros and the Jill Stein recount.

    She’s gaming leftist rubes. What’s not to like?

  166. Anne

    Jill Stein is a great disinformation agent. She’s distracting Democrats with this futile recount when they should be focusing on the Louisiana Senate race.

    She’s a scam artist.

    Like those people who promise a last hope experimental cure for Cancer patients, she’s duping desperate Hillary supporters out of money in the vain hope that the outcome can be changed.

    Despicable Greenfilth.

  167. Oh come on

    Trump has not publically given credence to truther beliefs. If he had have done, you can guarantee the MSM would have been all over it. Yet they haven’t gone there. Ant, however, did. A cynic would assume that Ant is desperately casting about flinging as many kinds of mud at Trump in the hope that something sticks. It’s as if he’s some kind of anti-Trump ideologue or something.

  168. Caro lied about women of “her era” in that article of self-absorbed sludge.

    Calli, I learned never to believe a word that woman said first listening to her lie and lie about education. She hates education being provided by private sources. She is the quintessential Leftist ideologue.

  169. Infidel Tiger

    Anne, Stein is doing the Lord’s work.

    She stopped Hillary winning the election and now she is salting the wounds.

    I love her deeply.

  170. DrBeauGan

    Duping Hillary supporters is doing God’s work.

    How else can you expect them to discover that they’re gullible nitwits?

  171. cynical1

    So an ape, a gorilla and a progressive walk into an Australian bar.

    “What ya havin’ Fitzy”?

    “A black and tan, thanks, Adam”.

    “And just a lemonade for Eddie”.

    ” He’s doing ‘Millionaire Hot Seat’ today”…

  172. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Trump family cashes in on the presidency.

    Here’s a bit of insight into what Trump has been doing.

    President Trump drained his own swamp first

    President Trump began assembling his transition team on August 1 in Washington. He put Governor Chris Christie in charge. All went well until Trump discovered upon his election what Christie had done.

    The governor hired lobbyists.

    Out came the whip of cords. Trump replaced Christie with Mike Pence, and Pence cleaned house.

    “The source estimated that the number of staffers and volunteers working on the transition plummeted from around 250 late last week to less than 125 on Tuesday. The sudden purge of lobbyists has allowed conservative think tanks like the Heritage Foundation and the Competitive Enterprise Institute to take a stronger role in the transition.

    One lobbyist who was close to the transition team told the Daily Mail that ‘almost all of’ the lobbyists are gone from the team – although many are trying to influence as much as possible from the outside.”

    I can see why after Christie tried his stack that when Trump caught and booted him and his weenies he’d need to find warm bodies rapidly to ring up and negotiate with people he wanted for the administration.

    Bodes well.

  173. Oh come on

    she’s duping desperate Hillary supporters out of money in the vain hope that the outcome can be changed.

    And this irritates you why, precisely? I think it’s glorious. That winning feeling is set to linger a bit longer, as we get to enjoy the spectacle of gullible twits putting their hope and money into another lost cause – and seeing that hope dashed one more time. I never get tired of this stuff!

  174. Drink Up Socrates

    She’s a Green, right?

    Former Green Party candidate Jill Stein, who has raised more than $4.5 million to recount votes in the presidential election, said Friday on CNN’s “New Day” that it was a “hack-riddled election.”
    “Do you think this election was stolen?” CNN’s host John Berman asked Stein point-blank.
    “Um, we don’t know,” Stein replied. “And I think the forensic computer experts have raised serious questions. What we do know is that this was a hack-riddled election. We saw hacks into voter databases, into party databases, into individual email accounts.”
    “We know that there were attempts made broadly on state voter databases, and we know that we have an election system that relies on computerized electronic equipment which is wide open to hacks, which has very primitive security from, in many cases, a decade or more ago, and staff that’s really not trained in security.”
    Stein was presumably referring to a New York magazine report that cited an attorney and a cybersecurity expert who believe someone may have manipulated the results in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
    “So it’s extremely vulnerable,” she continued. “Americans deserve to have confidence in our vote.”
    Berman followed up by asking if she has evidence that a hack took place.
    “No,” she replied. “We do not have a smoking gun.”
    But, she said, “unless we look at the votes, we wouldn’t see evidence of hacking. Hacking is subtle.”
    Incidentally, Stein has now raised more money for a recount ($4.7 million) than her campaign raised during the entire 2016 election cycle ($3.5 million),

    So there we have it. No evidence, but my superior intellect confirms that voters would never have voted for 666 – we ordered them not to.

  175. Infidel Tiger

    It is a place that has long housed our artists and musicians and more recently, our baristas, but as Britain hobbles towards Brexit, young Australian professionals are also looking east.

    Berlin, with its comparatively low cost of living, easy access to communal office space and thriving cultural scene, has replaced London as the dominant entrepreneurial hub of Europe.

    Fairfax is not a satirical newspaper apparently.

  176. Leo G

    There is something extremely dodgy going on with Soros and the Jill Stein recount.

    What possibly could be dodgy about a pair of Presidential election outcome truthers organising an election recount?

  177. Dover Beach;

    LOL. Oh, the act of getting pregnant as opposed to the act of sexual intercourse was an event that happened to your body but not to you. Listening to these people is a study in sociopathy.

    Exactly right DB. These people are not in touch with reality and are mentally and emotionally unwell. It’s as if a Cult had gotten hold of them and screwed their minds.

  178. Boambee John

    Stimpson,

    Good to see you back, we were concerned.

  179. Rabz;
    I heard it on the ABC.

    What a coincidence, I read it on Wikipedia.

    Interesting, I read it on the bogroll this morning after I’d used it. Parts were blurry and a bit had to read.
    I got the gist of it, but.

  180. Tel

    How are they planning to recount the voting machines?

    If the machine is buggered, then I would say the recount is also buggered. That’s why those machines are such a problem.

  181. John Comnenus

    Any recount will flip the state. The Dems are experts in finding lost ballot boxes etc. I am sure they can find 30000 votes.

  182. Anne

    She stopped Hillary winning the election and now she is salting the wounds.

    Yes, I read those figures, IT. That’s great but you don’t think she’s actually on Trump’s side do you?
    And don’t ever say you love her again. That’s gross!

    How else can you expect them to discover that they’re gullible nitwits?

    That will never happen Beaugan. They’re frozen in belief. The more evidence you present to them the more entrenched will be their support.

  183. Infidel Tiger

    There is not going to be a recount you fools.

    It’s a scam by a professional grifter.

    It’s magnificent.

  184. Stimpy!
    You’re back!
    How ya travelling, mate?
    We were bloody concerned. Almost called Rudd to send a search party…

  185. Infidel Tiger

    Yes, I read those figures, IT. That’s great but you don’t think she’s actually on Trump’s side do you?
    And don’t ever say you love her again. That’s gross!

    I suspect Trump might have some influence over her. She probably doesn’t even realise it.

    Notice he has never once criticised her.

    4D chess with a gorilla mindset and flawless game.

  186. Combine Dave

    Berlin, with its comparatively low cost of living, easy access to communal office space and thriving cultural scene, has replaced London as the dominant entrepreneurial hub of Europe.

    There’s no chance that modern left-wing Social Democratic Berlin will ever achieve this.

    Not unless they’ve been copying their hardworking Bavarian cousins since last time I’ve been there.

  187. srr

    Hey Stimpson, am I allowed to mention what the recount bs is a distraction from, or will that cause you to go away again?

  188. Anne

    And this irritates you why, precisely?

    Didn’t say I was irritated, OCO.

    Just saying it’s despicable that she’s milking desperate people out of their cash.

  189. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’s magnificent.

    This is fun:

    The Mysterious Case Of Jill Stein’s Surging Recount Costs

    But, today a new mystery has emerged in Stein’s fundraising efforts. Apparently, the more money she raises the more expensive the recount effort becomes. Courtesy of the Wayback Machine we have the following snapshots from her fundraising page over the past couple of days

    Saving the world from non-problems is so expensive these days, and seems to get more expensive the more money you raise.

  190. Anne

    Hey Stimpson, am I allowed to mention what the recount bs is a distraction from, or will that cause you to go away again?

    A good man can’t turn away from evil in progress, allowing it to continue, because it’s too upsetting to acknowledge.

    Stimp is better than that.

    It’s everywhere now. Thank God for Wikileaks. These diseased, satanic progressives are going to burn.

  191. DrBeauGan

    There’s nothing wrong with taking money off fools. I can spend it so much better than they can.

    It’s the guiding principle of my life, and Jill Stein feels the same way.

    Also, stupidity is an inexhaustible resource.

  192. notafan

    Mentioned upthread.

    I’ts just a government imposed Christmas bonus for SDA (and other mostly public service union ) members. Dan Dan the Union Man is completely transparent.

    A mere $35 mill says Dan.

    It will impose as much as $1 million extra costs on Coles just to keep distribution centres open to ensure sufficient stock on shelves over the holiday. The Victorian government has put the cost to private and public sector employers of its decision at $35 million but the Victorian Chamber of Commerce and ­Industry said the real cost of the holiday was more like $100m.

    “Adding yet another public holiday at this short notice is not only inconsistent but a slap in the face for many business owners and operators who have already paid out thousands for two extra public holidays this year,” said VCCI chief executive Mark Stone.


    At the Paywallian State’s Christmas holiday ‘slugs employers $100m’

  193. Mother Lode

    The Mysterious Case Of Jill Stein’s Surging Recount Costs

    If your argument is based on the unreliability of other people’s numbers, you might want to be a little more careful with the ones of yours trying to make your case.

    I suppose as with all Greens pollies Stein will have taken this idea to the party brains trust to evaluate, assess, analyse, and project.

    And all, from their different fields of expertise, would have stamped it “Umm. Feels like it could be good…”

  194. Zippy;

    There is something extremely dodgy going on with Soros and the Jill Stein recount.

    OK. Let’s assume that the results were tampered with. Someone upthread said Trump won by over 25,000 votes. Jill Stein gets her recount done and it shows there were irregularities. In fact the irregularities total 50,000 extra votes for Trump.
    Now the kicker:
    The tampering comes from an operative in Trumps organisation, especially put there for this purpose by the Democrats.
    Recount delivers 2 things – Democrats win that state, and 2, all Trumps wins become suspect and he is denied legitimacy.

    Follow the money, and the influence.

  195. DrBeauGan

    Tim Blair calls it turning stupid into cash, and it’s his business model too.

  196. Fisky

    Russian Greens blast Jill Stein’s silence on Putin’s human rights abuses

    “By silencing Putin’s crimes you are silencing our struggle. By shaking his hand and failing to criticize his regime you are becoming his accomplice. By forgetting what international solidarity means you are insulting the Russian environmental movement.”

    In particular, Russian environmental activists Yevgeniya Chirikova and Nadezda Kutepova criticized Stein for her recent trip last winter to Moscow to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the Russian state propaganda organ. The event included a dinner at which Stein sat at the same dinner table as Putin.

    At the same dinner table was seated Donald Trump’s military adviser, retired-Gen. Mike Flynn. Flynn was seated directly next to Putin.

    Hahahahahahaha!

  197. Fisky

    By the way, Putin is almost certainly contributing to Jill Stein’s phony”recount” distraction.

  198. DrBeauGan

    The tampering comes from an operative in Trumps organisation, especially put there for this purpose by the Democrats.
    Recount delivers 2 things – Democrats win that state, and 2, all Trumps wins become suspect and he is denied legitimacy.

    This credits Democrats with considerable intelligence and is consequently incredible.

  199. Fisky

    This credits Democrats with considerable intelligence and is consequently incredible.

    Yeah, they tried to fix an election against Trump, a guy with no ground game, and they failed. I don’t think this latest effort is going to work. In fact it is probably a deliberate diversion on the part of Stein.

  200. cohenite

    The tear gun so libtards can express their sadness without effort.

  201. C.L.

    This Election Has Disgraced the Entire Profession of Journalism

    Journalism is not a profession. At its best it is a craft and that’s no insult.
    But it isn’t a profession.

  202. Bruce in WA

    Hiya, Stimps. We missed you like crazy, man.

    Oops.

    Poor word choice.

    My bad. 😉

  203. Fisky

    Did anyone see that video just before the election where Obama admitted to a Latino interviewer that illegals will be allowed to vote?

  204. Dr BG;

    This credits Democrats with considerable intelligence and is consequently incredible.

    No, it credits the Democrats with Excellent Rat Cunning Skills. Therefore credible.*
    *I’m only putting it out there for discussion as a possible reason for Jill Steins actions…

  205. Senile Old Guy

    Did anyone see that video just before the election where Obama admitted to a Latino interviewer that illegals will be allowed to vote?

    It was more than that. He was encouraging them to vote and saying that it didn’t matter that it was illegal.

  206. john constantine

    Their abc gloats as they report their tony blair stating that Brexit can be reversed, if that is what the voters want.

    Voteherds, deploy the voteherds.

  207. Ant

    Ant, do you still consider Trump a truther?

    Your question should be “Ant, do you still think Trump considers himself a truther?” Clearly he did once, if you could be bothered listening to the audio of him talking about the “bombs” he suspected were planted in the twin towers primed to detonate just as the planes hit.

    My answer is that in a small crevice of his mind he might, just as he’d have lingering doubts about Obama’s birth certificate, but distraction for a character such as this can be all consuming so I doubt we’ll hear any more of either conspiracy.

  208. egg_

    Fastest/best performing smartphones.

    Top ten.

    Chinese manufacturers make 4 of the top 11 DVB set top boxes, but likely they’re all made in China, anyway.

  209. DrBeauGan

    Winston: they’d have to deliberately lose the election in order to be able to show Trump cheated. That’s the hell of a sacrifice play.

  210. Mother Lode

    As I said before – the Democrats have become very adept at one kind of campaign. Passed masters.

    Most recent republicans have very obligingly agreed to fighting the campaign that the Democrats wanted.

    Thus they formed themselves into a particular form, honed some skills, hypertrophied some muscles – perfectly suited to a certain set of problems and solutions.

    They unwittingly forfeited adaptability.

    Trump simply fought a different campaign. He did not defer to the media – often sidestepping them. He did not play the meek well mannered opponent who just put up with abuse, innuendo and outright lies because that is what nice people do. He did not dedicate his campaign to apologising for his good ideas and backing down on them as soon as some victim group burst into tears.

    Right now the Democrats don’t have a strategy. They are just firing a shotgun hoping some of the pellets will hit something vital.

  211. Mother Lode

    Thus they formed themselves

    The Democrat party machine, I mean.

  212. egg_

    There’s nothing wrong with taking money off fools.

    Put a cork in it?

  213. Infidel Tiger

    This Election Has Disgraced the Entire Profession of Journalism

    Not really. Journalist have always been scum and society’s lowest people.

    One can’t help but admire the way Russia deals with these vermin.

  214. Top Ender

    Chinese manufacturers make 4 of the top 11 DVB set top boxes, but likely they’re all made in China, anyway.

    Had three LG DVD player/recorders fail on me over a year, all bought from Hardly Normal.

    Eventually the manager gave me a higher price Panasonic as a replacement. Said personally he’d avoid LG air-conditioners too.

  215. Mother Lode

    I love how they are still calling the election results the upset.

    The polls were supposed to predict the election, not the election validating the polls.

    When talking about the election they should not be talking about the shock result, but the shock failure of the polls.

    (There is no shock in the failure of the MSM, of course. That is just SOP.)

  216. Bill Thompson

    Cats, here is a clip of part of an 8 minute ABC News item this morning, featuring Dr Paul Read, from Melbourne Uni, warning about the disastrous impact President-elect Trump will have on NASA’s climate change-monitoring activities. Kiss your kids goodbye! And your grandkids, too. My favourite bit was his stat that 30% of primary schoolers think the world will end before they grow up. I guess they watch too much ABC News at school. I thought the science was settled & we’re cactus, so why bother doing any more research?

    My main beef with NASA in recent years stems from when Obama appointed Charles Bolden to head the agency, with instructions that he should concentrate on helping Muslim nations feel good about their culture’s “historic contributions to science, math & engineering”.

    https://youtu.be/YuNjM9g0T5E

  217. jupes

    Hey IT,

    Do you reckon Champagne and other sparkling wines should have a screwcap?

  218. Dr BG;

    Winston: they’d have to deliberately lose the election in order to be able to show Trump cheated. That’s the hell of a sacrifice play.

    Not necessarily, there must have been several states they knew they couldn’t win, but Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania were battleground states.
    So you have a point.

  219. egg_

    Had three LG DVD player/recorders fail on me over a year, all bought from Hardly Normal.

    Had a top-of-the-range Chinese OLIN analogue DVD/HDD recorder for about a decade.

  220. Infidel Tiger

    Hey IT,

    Do you reckon Champagne and other sparkling wines should have a screwcap?

    That’s a difficult one. Aesthetically I think they definitely should. There are alternative sealing methods but I like corks in champagne.

  221. JC.

    Not really. Journalist have always been scum and society’s lowest people.

    One can’t help but admire the way Russia deals with these vermin.

    It seems you’re giving academics a free ride. In the immortal words of The donster… “so unfair”.

  222. egg_

    The Olin could even decrypt and record a lot of analogue anti piracy video from the Cable TV set top box (some of which I’ve uploaded to youtube).

  223. Infidel Tiger

    Academics are the equivalent of pedos in my book.

  224. C.L.

    The funniest thing is the same people mumbling “popular vote” were mum when …

    Popular vote:
    Gillard: 4,711,363
    Abbott: 5,365,529

  225. stackja

    Mother Lode
    #2219921, posted on November 26, 2016 at 1:30 pm
    As I said before – the Democrats have become very adept at one kind of campaign. Passed masters.

    Most recent republicans have very obligingly agreed to fighting the campaign that the Democrats wanted.

    Thus they formed themselves into a particular form, honed some skills, hypertrophied some muscles – perfectly suited to a certain set of problems and solutions.

    They unwittingly forfeited adaptability.

    Trump simply fought a different campaign. He did not defer to the media – often sidestepping them. He did not play the meek well mannered opponent who just put up with abuse, innuendo and outright lies because that is what nice people do. He did not dedicate his campaign to apologising for his good ideas and backing down on them as soon as some victim group burst into tears.

    Right now the Democrats don’t have a strategy. They are just firing a shotgun hoping some of the pellets will hit something vital.

    Dems fired on Fort Sumter thinking Lincoln would just surrender.

  226. calli

    This is the uncut Obama interview. Make up your own minds on what he said. Personally, I think he was encouraging citizens to vote, not illegals.

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